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West Bromwich Albion v Wolverhampton Wanderers
Monday 3rd May 2021 18.00pm
Please use this board for all your After Match Debate. Away fans are reminded to abide by the site rules.
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West Bromwich Albion v Wolverhampton Wanderers
Monday 3rd May 2021 18.00pm
Please use this board for all your In Game Chat. Opposition fans are reminded to abide by the site rules
Please keep this board Albion related, there are boards elsewhere in General Sports to discuss other games
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West Bromwich Albion v Wolverhampton Wanderers
Monday 3rd May 2021 18.00pm
Please use this board for all your Pre Match Chat. Opposition fans are reminded to abide by the site rules
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Is this game still 3 o clock on May 1st? They haven’t announced the TV games for that weekend yet have they ? Can’t find them anywhere .
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Is this game still 3 o clock on May 1st? They haven’t announced the TV games for that weekend yet have they ? Can’t find them anywhere .
Seen something to say it will be 6pm mate :(
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Seen something to say it will be 6pm mate :(
Confirmed as 6pm May 3rd......
https://www.wba.co.uk/news/changes-wolves-and-arsenal-fixtures
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Confirmed as 6pm May 3rd......
https://www.wba.co.uk/news/changes-wolves-and-arsenal-fixtures
bank holiday Monday then?
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Just dont lose is the minimum. Be nice to do the double over these. I have been going to the shrine since 1998 (as a kid with the old man) I have never seen these beat us on hallowed ground and I hope that continues
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Just dont lose is the minimum. Be nice to do the double over these. I have been going to the shrine since 1998 (as a kid with the old man) I have never seen these beat us on hallowed ground and I hope that continues
Most Wolves fans haven’t seen their side win at The Hawthorns ;D
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These bunch of no-marks will be given "legend" status by the six fingered fellows if they beat us,
such is their desperation.
It will not happen however.
Weem gunna beat the ***** agen
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We should win this comfortably, irrespective of the relegation situation. Losing 0-4 at home to Burnley is pitiful, whichever way you look at it.
I don't know what's happened with them lot?
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Let's go down in history.
14-0 8).
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Why is this called "Last match forum" ?
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Why is this called "Last match forum" ?
Is it ??
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Why is this called "Last match forum" ?
Very foreboding.
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our one and only double this season
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our one and only double this season
we did a double when we lost twice to Leicester!
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Gutted that’s it’s been moved to 6:00pm, from an Australian Baggie perspective and not a Bank Holiday here......
Just do them over lads and make me wake up happy.
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We're a far more competitive side than when we played them in January. That said, they're better than us and should win. We can't compete with what they've been able to invest in their squad over the past three seasons, plus they're due a win at our place. If they're going to beat us, I'd rather they did it when no one will be there to see it.
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We're a far more competitive side than when we played them in January. That said, they're better than us and should win. We can't compete with what they've been able to invest in their squad over the past three seasons, plus they're due a win at our place. If they're going to beat us, I'd rather they did it when no one will be there to see it.
The above rang true for the game at the Spew and yet still we won through ;D .
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They are a team who have had far more spent on their development than us. they have more expensive players than us, and more recent premier league experience than us. They ought to be better than us, but they are not nor ever will be. Don't care how or how many - JUST BEAT EM AGAIN ALBION!
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The above rang true for the game at the Spew and yet still we won through ;D .
Yeah well... death, taxes, West Brom leaving Molineux with three points.
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Has anyone been on the mix yet? Are they ******* bricks yet?
The biggest game of their season. Tim Spiers might self combust if they don’t get rid of this hawthorns hoodoo.
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Nuno getting the excuses in early. Going on about the horde sous injuries and problems they have. We have about 200m spend less than you which is more of a problem you weasel.
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Look we know we are down for next season, but all I ask is three points to us from this.
Joy on joy on joy if we do.
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Nuno getting the excuses in early. Going on about the horde sous injuries and problems they have. We have about 200m spend less than you which is more of a problem you weasel.
He was talking about the bilston Barcelona needing to compete against us..
I almost wet me pants with laughter. All those millions and the dodgy agent and the best they can hope for is to compete against us..
When we used to play them at their worst I’d be disappointed if we didn’t score at least 3. That’s the mentality they should have, not this competing nonsense.
Suffice to say, I hope they don’t compete..
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Right then, how we lining up for this one?
Can we call Odemwingie and Phillips out of retirement? :D
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It ay jed yet. No excuses to throw the towel in against these *****. No surrender, they've got the NUNO OUT banners ready COYB.
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Not bothered about Wolves. Never have been.
Aston Villa, on the other hand...
But of course I would love to see us maintain our amazing record against them. They’ve gone backwards this season and are a million miles from being the Champions League contenders their fans think they should be.
But they have players who can hurt us. Traore if he decides to perform; Silva has promise up front; Neves can strike a free kick; Moutinho has been a wonderful midfielder (though perhaps past his best now).
Their defence isn’t up to much though. The gap between the teams isn’t as wide as I thought at the start of the season.
But forgive me for saying this isn’t the big derby for me. I just don’t care about Wolves very much at all.
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Match day, into these Albion!
COYB and FTW 8) .
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Not bothered about Wolves. Never have been.
Aston Villa, on the other hand...
But of course I would love to see us maintain our amazing record against them. They’ve gone backwards this season and are a million miles from being the Champions League contenders their fans think they should be.
But they have players who can hurt us. Traore if he decides to perform; Silva has promise up front; Neves can strike a free kick; Moutinho has been a wonderful midfielder (though perhaps past his best now).
Their defence isn’t up to much though. The gap between the teams isn’t as wide as I thought at the start of the season.
But forgive me for saying this isn’t the big derby for me. I just don’t care about Wolves very much at all.
Yow bay a black country mon am ya mate? an yow ay bin down the mol much av ya, this is the big un. Trips to Villa park am just a walk in the park by comparison.
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Yow bay a black country mon am ya mate? an yow ay bin down the mol much av ya, this is the big un. Trips to Villa park am just a walk in the park by comparison.
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Born in Walsall - Warsull. Can’t stand Villa. Don’t care about Wolves either way.
I know it’s probably just me. 🤷â€â™‚ï¸
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come on you baggie boys
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Born in Walsall - Warsull. Can’t stand Villa. Don’t care about Wolves either way.
I know it’s probably just me. 🤷â€â™‚ï¸
Split on this one ay we? ;D. For me just 3 mile up the road in Wedgebury, the vile ay no more than reserve team workout, whilst just seeing the cack and black colours on the street meks me blood boil still an I'm an ode mon now.
Just gi em a good ommerin (agen) yo Baggie Boys
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Born in Walsall - Warsull. Can’t stand Villa. Don’t care about Wolves either way.
I know it’s probably just me. 🤷â€â™‚ï¸
You're far from alone on this forum. However, it's match day and match day is the day I give a dog's dump about them. It'd be great to rub their noses in some more of the stuff. It's what they're there for. There's no other point to them as far as I'm concerned. COYB 8) .
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You're far from alone on this forum. However, it's match day and match day is the day I give a dog's dump about them. It'd be great to rub their noses in some more of the stuff. It's what they're there for. There's no other point to them as far as I'm concerned. COYB 8) .
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I know what you mean. 😆😎
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I'm not really bothered about Wolves too much either. I've lived in Walsall most of my life and my mates are a mixture of Baggies & Villa so the Villa game is by far the biggest game for me, and the one i look for first on the fixture list.
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We have to beat them today, dont care about any of the other remaining games, this season is done, seeing as my heartfelt plea for a victory against the real enemy last week failed, this would be a lovely consolation.
Think of the pain it will cause the dog heads. It doesnt matter how much money they have, how good they are, they could win the Champions League, but its always about Albion for them. We are under their mangy skin, irritating them constantly, living in their heads, because deep down, beneath all their bragging and bravado, they all know we are their betters. The pain of 2002; the play-offs; Albion on the South Bank and a pie and a pint; eating away at them.
Relegation bound Albion doing the double over Nuno and the superagent’s Bilston Globetrotters will haunt them for years.
COYB SOTW
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As expected if we make the change to the formation it's Robinson that misses out.
3-5-1-1 according to the BBC.
Johnstone
Ajayi
O'Shea
Bartley
Furlong
AMN
YokuÅŸlu
Gallagher
Townsend
Pereira
Diagne
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The Dastardly Ding1e5 Dogs have fleas! Always have had as the Custard Bowl is a flea-ridden pit.
I think they will get physical and try their upmost to take Pereira out but we’ll still whup them 2-0
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I have a bad feeling about this one.
I don't like it when we're the favourites going in. :-X
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Let’s hope Diagne has got his shoot and score boots on this evening.
We don’t want any air-shots, offsides or close pitch inspections from him!
And please, if he’s subbed, Robinson not HRK!
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The team is certainly capable of whipping the Dingles
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That looks a slow, defensive team. Can we cram any more defensive players into that starting lineup? Not looking forward to this.
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Why three centre halves? Attack is the best form of defence for us. Allardyce showing his spots again.
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I have a bad feeling about this one.
I don't like it when we're the favourites going in. :-X
We’re not, are we?
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Why three centre halves? Attack is the best form of defence for us. Allardyce showing his spots again.
Agreed. No Robinson. Why?
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Not even the dulcet tones of the Liquidator can get me up for this one - what's the point without the fans?
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On paper it looks a defensive line-up, but in practice will depend on how much they get forward. Puts alot of the weight on Pereira for creativity. Would have liked to have seen Robinson or Phillips in for the extra centre back.
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Why three centre halves? Attack is the best form of defence for us. Allardyce showing his spots again.
5 defenders.
a DM, Gallagher - not exactly attacking, AMN - nothing created yet.
Pierera
Diagne
Pierera must be wondering what's he supposed to do.
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On paper it looks a defensive line-up, but in practice will depend on how much they get forward. Puts alot of the weight on Pereira for creativity. Would have liked to have seen Robinson or Phillips in for the extra centre back.
Which makes sense but Townsend and Furlong aren't exactly the biggest threats going forward.
I think of it like this, if we were setting up to take a defensive approach to the game, what line up would we go for?
And this is it.
I really want to be wrong as my big derby is with Wolves and doing the double over them would at least give me some element of success this season. I just feel like this is setting us up to get pushed deep constantly again.
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Why 3 at the back when our recent revival has seen a back 4? Strange changes man.
Hope he knows what he's doing.
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5 defenders.
a DM, Gallagher - not exactly attacking, AMN - nothing created yet.
Pierera
Diagne
Pierera must be wondering what's he supposed to do.
you forgot okay ultra defensive against a team that got battered lask week, scratching my head at this team selection.
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Furlong has 1 goal and 3 assists all season.
Townsend 0 and 0
Okay 0 and 1 assist
AMN 0 and 0
Gallagher 2 goals and 2 assists.
They can afford to stick 2 on Pierera and comfortably control the game.
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Furlong has 1 goal and 3 assists all season.
Townsend 0 and 0
Okay 0 and 1 assist
AMN 0 and 0
Gallagher 2 goals and 2 assists.
They can afford to stick 2 on Pierera and comfortably control the game.
Allardyce has ditched Robinson again at the first opportunity. The best I can say is that we have a few attacking players on the bench and enough on the pitch to hold them at bay.
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We have kicked off.
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Bartley still messing about
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Gotta say, this social media blackout is stupid. I have barely any means to follow along the game now.
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Traore down our right side, hoofs it out of play.
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Gotta say, this social media blackout is stupid. I have barely any means to follow along the game now.
Radio WM DAB
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Interesting that Okay and Diagne were on our transfer target list in the summer...
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Messed up there. 2 players!
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Pierera and Furlong getting in each other's way in the box. Townsend found good space down the left.
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Had some good play going forward, Furlong wins a corner.
They aren't great at corners so something we should be looking to exploit.
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Radio WM DAB
I need to get a cheap one of those
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SJ saves
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Free header from 7 yards out from a Wolves corner. Straight at the keeper.
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I need to get a cheap one of those
Is it on the internet?
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Furlong shoots, no idea how Diagne didn't get clean through there.
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Is it on the internet?
or get an app in your phone.
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Too slow Diagne
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Furlong shoots, no idea how Diagne didn't get clean through there.
Weak finish but Diagne seemed to hesitate and slow up.
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Is it on the internet?
If I told you I'd have to kill you.
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We're backing off their players
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Furlong shoots, no idea how Diagne didn't get clean through there.
He should have done.
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Allardyce team - the same sort he has been picking every time we get stuffed. What has Robinson done wrong- Oh I remember, scored goals won penalties etc but was not one of Sams men. Just naff off Allardyce this is rubbish team selection - we do not need Gallagher
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Would like to see us press around 10 yards up the pitch and get on the front foot more.
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Is it on the internet?
If it is I haven't got it .
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Free kick decent position.
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Free kick decent position.
Headed well off target by Ajayi.
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Furlong and Pierera outstanding so far.
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Getting heart palpitations every time Traore runs at Mr clumsy Ajayi
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All Wolves at the moment, we can't get good possession going forward.
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They have 60% possession
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Back 3 seem to be getting in each others way, did we only decide to play this formation at lunchtime?
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Neves shot miles off target.
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The back 5 are dropping leaving us 3 in midfield. Wolves playing 4 at the back giving them an extra man going forward.
Their wing back has spent more time on the edge of our box than defending.
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Pretty poor game so far tbh
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Wolves on top right now. Not much impetus from us; they’re controlling the ball and getting more assured as it goes on.
We need to start changing that and asking some questions.
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We are not exactly imposing ourselves upon them are we? Sitting deep, not going for the jugular in any way. Hope that changes.
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Second best all over the pitch.
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WTF was Ajayi doing trying to dribble in the box
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Ajayi ::)
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Ajayi messing around on the edge of the box, loses the ball and SJ makes the save.
We aren't in this at all now. It just keeps coming back at us.
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Thanks for helping lads I got it now :)
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Interesting that Okay and Diagne were on our transfer target list in the summer...
No, no. Sam signed them 8)
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Ajayi needs to learn to **** it off. This isn't FIFA. Week in, week lut
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SJ keeping us in it.
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We are not exactly imposing ourselves upon them are we? Sitting deep, not going for the jugular in any way. Hope that changes.
Agree - too passive and too deep. No threat being offered and we will fall behind if this goes on.
Excellent stop by Johnson after more awful defending.
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Get Robbo on
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Good save Sam, got his team mater out of trouble there.
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O'Shea off. Phillips on.
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Need to change this formation up for me. Just a matter of time before they score.
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All of these defenders and we still can't get a head on a corner. DoS off for Philips
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We need to get the ball and fire some shots off. The wind is horrific
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Allowing Wolves to play themselves into form and confidence.
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SJ makes another save.
We are constantly too deep, we get the ball and have no pass on. It's so easy for Wolves.
Sam changes it, o'shea off for Phillips. Good sub, unlucky Dara, not your fault.
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Wahey! he heard us
Phillips for O Shea
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Urgently need an extra man forward. We haven't created a chance yet. Get Robbo or Phillips on.
Timed that comment well!
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Ajayi is awful. I have kittens when he’s near the ball, a player or on the ball.
Strange decision to go 3 at the back but I guess he was trying to match Wolves’s system. Learned from Leicester perhaps.
O’Shea off, would rather Ajayi went.
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Urgently need an extra man forward. We haven't created a chance yet. Get Robbo or Phillips on.
Timed that comment well!
Right to change it. Only going one way at the moment.
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Let Neves rot
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We are dreadful again!
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Neves caught Pereira and came off worst.
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Got it all wrong tonight Sam but at least hes changed it early doors.
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Ajayi is a strange footballer. Has all the attributes but is just a disaster of a centre half. He is quite deceptive as it’s not always obvious why he’s so poor.
O’Shea and Bartley is a much better option than Ajayi with either. If we sell Bartley we need another centre half.
I can only assume O Sheas the one to go since Ajayi can keep up with Traore
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Ajayi is awful. I have kittens when he’s near the ball, a player or on the ball.
Strange decision to go 3 at the back but I guess he was trying to match Wolves’s system. Learned from Leicester perhaps.
O’Shea off, would rather Ajayi went.
He’s not very good, is he? Looks the part but mistake after mistake and misjudgement after misjudgement suggests he just isn’t up to it.
It’s a shame.
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Ajayi is a serious liability.
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Allardyce selection cock up, game we need to win and he sets up this way
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3% of the play in Wolves' 3rd
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Well spotted Sam. Lets hope balance in team is better, and we create a few chances.
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Allardyce selection cock up, game we need to win and he sets up this way
I’m sure he expected Wolves to play with 3 central defenders - they’ve conceded shedloads of goals with 4 at the back.
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I’m sure he expected Wolves to play with 3 central defenders - they’ve conceded shedloads of goals with 4 at the back.
play to your own strengths not change it because your worried about shape of the other team
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play to your own strengths not change it because your worried about shape of the other team
Yes - something to be said for that.
And it certainly hasn’t worked. Hardly any decent possession in Wolves’ half.
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Well spotted Sam. Lets hope balance in team is better, and we create a few chances.
"Well spotted"??? You could predict that from kick off.
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Off the line from Diagne from corner. Another corner
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Bit of pressure from us almost paid off.
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This is pretty bad for a derby, let alone a must win one, we have no ideas, just giving it back and inviting them on. Even they will score eventually with this much possession.
Not sure what the answer is though, if the players don't get the importance of this game now, then not sure what can be said to them at half time.
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Players' don't really understand local derbies. Most of them are not from around the area.
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This is pretty bad for a derby, let alone a must win one, we have no ideas, just giving it back and inviting them on. Even they will score eventually with this much possession.
Not sure what the answer is though, if the players don't get the importance of this game now, then not sure what can be said to them at half time.
Don't think it was the players, we set up to just concede ground. Since the change we've looked better
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At least we have got the wind second half.
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Diagne can’t buy a goal! Replay shows it wasn’t on target though
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2 added minutes
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Well spotted? He should know how to beat this lot but I'm far from sure he wants to. Why pick the formation that have conceded so many and scored so few in a local derby. just arrogant stupidity. Phillips is having one of his good spells but Robinson or Diangana are far more dangerous. As I have been arguing all season play to our strengths and our strength is not defending. Allardyce's leopard will not change his spots
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Knew it. Deflected goal
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Deflected in off the block
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Apart from a lot of running about, can someone tell me what Gallagher brings to the team
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Apart from a lot of running about, can someone tell me what Gallagher brings to the team
He likes to dive a lot as well. Spends most of the game on the floor
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We have been awfull and that's all down to Allardyce and his bizarre set up.
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Awful goal to concede. Walked through us then got a massive slice of luck. Bad time to concede...Next goal huge.
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Gallagher needs to stay on his feet instead of looking for fouls that are not fouls all the time. Still not sure what AMN does either apart from runabout.
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Unlucky goal in a poor first half. Season summed up by that goal.
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Apart from a lot of running about, can someone tell me what Gallagher brings to the team
He rarely gets into the final third so he's perfect for Sam.
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Unlucky goal BUT when you set up deep something like that can always happen, and also Bartley shouldn't be kicking the ball at their player.
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Jammy goal but it was coming, we look half soaked. The awful team selection has knocked them out of their stride.
Massive 45 now, need to come out swinging or we will be hearing about this for a very long time.
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Apart from a lot of running about, can someone tell me what Gallagher brings to the team
wasted a substitions with his experimental set up so I don't see another change at half time
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Can’t complain at the scoreline, albeit a freaky goal. A poor insipid performance.
Allowed Wolves to play themselves into confidence and form. Far too passive, too deep, too slow. Gave the initiative to a fairly poor Wolves side - but they were better than us.
Which says it all.
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At least Allardyce spotted his defensive line up wsn't working. Just hope he hasn't left it too late. We must win this.
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We had a spell earlier this season of conceding regularly in the 10 minutes before half time !
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Wrong Centre Half dragged off
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Lets be honest they are so much better than us on every level as a team, the goal was a bit lucky but lets face it they bossed that half from start to finish.
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Well spotted Sam. Lets hope balance in team is better, and we create a few chances.
Well spotted indeed.......urine poor management from the start
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We need to be pushing up more and not allowing Wolves so much control in midfield. We are going to have to take some risks at the back. All or nothing.
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What the hell was Allardyce thinking setting up ultra defensive against a team who are low in confidence, shocking by experienced coach.
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No shock Sam Johnstone didn't save that. Get Button on at half time
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Well spotted indeed.......**** poor management from the start
Yes indeed!!
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No shock Sam Johnstone didn't save that. Get Button on at half time
the heck was he supposed to do there? Teleport onto the line?
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No shock Sam Johnstone didn't save that. Get Button on at half time
I'm not his biggest fan but thats harsh
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Also what a low level half of football that was. What little quality there was came from Wolves, but even then there wasn’t much.
I know the weather’s bad and all, but these are two really poor sides. It could easily be a Championship game - Wolves look nowhere near the team they were a couple of years ago, when they were playing some great football.
But they’re not now - just the better of two weak teams so far.
Pretty dismal for the area all round.
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Odd game, felt we tried to match them up after Leicester, problem was they didn't play their usual 3 at the back, first 10 mins were even, but once they started getting on top we changed it, not sure what the issue is tbh.
Gallagher is a nothing player beyond nuisance value and Ajayi is an absolute liability, presumably in the side because while he can't keep up with Traore he'll only be 5 yards behind him as opposed to 10...
I'd get Robinson or Diangana on for Gallagher before the hour if we don't equalise.
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No shock Sam Johnstone didn't save that. Get Button on at half time
I’m sorry, but that’s ridiculous.
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We are down so cannot understand why we set up so negatively.
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Bartley shouldn’t have made a challenge and SJ should have saved it - Is that really what people believe?
We have to try and get on the front second half which I’m hoping will see us get a lot better. It can’t get much worse.
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What the hell was Allardyce thinking setting up ultra defensive against a team who are low in confidence, shocking by experienced coach.
I wonder what he couldve been thinking playing a counter offensive team where the last time we took in a counter offensive team while playing out own attacking football we got absolutely destroyed...
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need robbinson on and give geady a go just go for it
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Wolves defence need to be put under a bit of sustained pressure. They will concede. Its not that special.
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I don’t think Allardyce set us up defensively as such, I think that’s just how it transpired and it’s why he’s changed it.
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Odd game, felt we tried to match them up after Leicester, problem was they didn't play their usual 3 at the back, first 10 mins were even, but once they started getting on top we changed it, not sure what the issue is tbh.
Gallagher is a nothing player beyond nuisance value and Ajayi is an absolute liability, presumably in the side because while he can't keep up with Traore he'll only be 5 yards behind him as opposed to 10...
I'd get Robinson or Diangana on for Gallagher before the hour if we don't equalise.
I think the issue is setting up to play 5 at the back, a defensive midfield, and hope that Pierera somehow magics the ball in against a team short on confidence who have been leaking goals - in a must win match.
Even if Wolves had gone 3 at the back, we'd have still struggled as there's no actual pace in the side - we'd just get pinned back. It's pretty clear what the strengths of this squad is, and it's not sitting back soaking up pressure. Sam is, literally, playing to our weaknesses.
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Wolves defence need to be put under a bit of sustained pressure. They will concede. Its not that special.
I agree entirely. They’re not very good. But we need to have enough quality and enough ball in the areas that’ll hurt them.
The first half was really, really poor.
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New ref on the pitch Mike Dean on !!! Arggh
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I don’t think Allardyce set us up defensively as such, I think that’s just how it transpired and it’s why he’s changed it.
But Wolves were controlling the midfield. That's my definition of setting up defensive.
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Realistically, we only had one thing left to achieve this season and that was to beat the Ding1e5.
Escaping relegation was never really on the cards and to lose the second objective is pathetic.
Very poor performance - get Robinson on.
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I wonder what he couldve been thinking playing a counter offensive team where the last time we took in a counter offensive team while playing out own attacking football we got absolutely destroyed...
There is a massive difference in ability between those two teams my friend
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I wonder what he couldve been thinking playing a counter offensive team where the last time we took in a counter offensive team while playing out own attacking football we got absolutely destroyed...
I see what you mean - so Sam's stroke of genius is, instead of letting Wolves counter attack us, is to give them the ball constantly and let them try their luck. I can see how that would take them by surprise and destroy their gameplan.
We've got an entire season behind us of us setting up to defend - and that hasn't worked either.
Even before the kick off we needed to score goals as we've got to win. He set us up to not lose.
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They are already on the front foot
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The thing that strikes me every game is how much more composed other teams are on the ball. One of the consequences of this is that we constantly play short passes into a crowd of players when we should be looking to play it into space. I also think we look better when we have Robinson's pace up front.
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Was being sarcastic for the Sam comment.
COYB
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No shock Sam Johnstone didn't save that. Get Button on at half time
If that wasn't just a wind up , it must be the daftest comment of all time on here
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We can't touch them.
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Started the second the same way the first half panned out...
Would like to see Robinson in the Gallagher
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Also, how much worse would that half had been if they had gone 3 at the back and therefore had an extra man in midfield.
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I’m sorry, but that’s ridiculous.
It really is.
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That Vitinha lad looks real quality.
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Got away with that one. Terrible mistake initially
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I don’t think Allardyce set us up defensively as such, I think that’s just how it transpired and it’s why he’s changed it.
don't agree midfield were nearly on top of back five Pereira was dropping so deep to try and get involved.
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It’s been such a dull game. I wonder if Mike Dean might find a way to liven it up?
Never put it past him...
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Ronaldo Phillips and his step overs, Jesus Christ just pick a pass
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Some decent attacking players from us. Gallagher fluffed his lines but we have a corner
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Two awful balls into the box.
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We are sleep walking into the Championship. No desire.
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Has to score.
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Gallagher ? What a miss.
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That's even worse from Gallagher.
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Townsend and Gallagher off the line
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Great save, Gallagher has to score.
Much better now.
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Gallagher useless
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Poor finish from Townsend. Needed to be low and hard.
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Robinson for Gallagher NOW! go 4-4-1-1
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I see what you mean - so Sam's stroke of genius is, instead of letting Wolves counter attack us, is to give them the ball constantly and let them try their luck. I can see how that would take them by surprise and destroy their gameplan.
We've got an entire season behind us of us setting up to defend - and that hasn't worked either.
Even before the kick off we needed to score goals as we've got to win. He set us up to not lose.
yes, it’s a team known for playing strong from the off and falling apart as games go on. Hence the more offensive bench than usual, plan was to soak pressure and not get caught out. Unsurprising they score soon after going to 4 at the back.
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I see SG is the new scapegoat
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Dingle Sam needs to change this
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Townsend was bad because he’s a limited footballer. It’s as if all his effort went in to just keeping it down but it wasn’t an easy chance.
Gallagher has to score though.
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yes, it’s a team known for playing strong from the off and falling apart as games go on. Hence the more offensive bench than usual, plan was to soak pressure and not get caught out. Unsurprising they score soon after going to 4 at the back.
Eh? Wolves have some kind if crazy record for not scoring in the first half and not scoring first. They don't start strong from the off, the exact opposite.
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Periera should have shot. Gallagher was probably caught in two minds about shooting or falling over.
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What was Ajayi trying to do at right back?
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We are not closing them down when they attack.
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Save Sam, we can't allow these shots on goal far too easy
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Won't miss Gallagher one bit next season.
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Is Diagne playing? Just asking.
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Won't miss Gallagher one bit next season.
Don't worry. Dowling will sign him.
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Diagne !!!
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Won't miss Gallagher one bit next season.
Indeed I can’t wait to see Livermore and Sawyers start every week
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Get in Albion
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Get in thereeee 8)
Big Diagne.
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Is Diagne playing? Just asking.
Yes he is ;D
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Save Sam, we can't allow these shots on goal far too easy
It’s why he’s had to make more saves than any other keeper in the league. Our defending is so weak.
How many saves so far tonight already?
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Get in
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Diagne, perfect ball in from Townsend. Deserve it so far for this half.
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Great delivery by Townsend
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Is Diagne playing? Just asking.
YES HE IS
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It must be so frustrating for the capable few.
Oh what a header!
I was about to slate Townsend, I’ll abstain.
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Good centre from Townsend too.
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Cracking header and a pinpoint cross from Townsend
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Yes he is ;D
Glad I asked :) :)
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SJ is there again. Our saviour.
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Well that made me smile!
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Right let's finish this. Glad the big man scored.
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Good finish. Great cross.
Absolutely shocking defending. That was the way we defend.
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What a fantastic cross from Townshend. And a great finish!
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Is Diagne playing? Just asking.
Was you wondering if anybody else was on the pitch?
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We are still giving stupid fouls away.
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Mike Dean never gives us anything
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When does he twist?!
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Sam Johnstone is having a blinder. Ding1e5 would be out of sight if not for Sam
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I know it's not seen as the done thing, but Phillips should really come off.
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Why are we passing the ball backwards so much?
Our pressure is stopped.
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You got to say the Ding1e5 are getting the run of all the loose balls - we’re getting very little
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Traore’s Soul-Glo is running down his face ;D
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Mike Dean never gives us anything
Not entirely true. He gave us an absolutely ridiculous penalty against Arsenal around three years ago that gave us a draw.
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Another needless foul by Gallagher halts an Albion break... >:(
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Need to make a change, we aren't applying the same kind of pressure now.
There we go, stats show last 10 mins, 7% in Wolves third.
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Time to twist I think. Robinson on please.
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Robinson to come on.
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About bloody time
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Diagne is in but doesn't control it, would have been a tap in.
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Robinson for AMN.
Baffled.
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Phillips almost costs us. Robinson on for Maiteland Miles.
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The rain is Persisting down.
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This kind of situation is where you really need a home crowd.
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The rain is Persisting down.
Bout as heavy as I've ever seen it
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Bartley back to early season form
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Would love us to play like we need toactually win
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Just need a bit of Peirera magic from this naughty word
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Furlong complete miss.
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Furlong at his brst :o
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Surely that was THE chance.
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Furlong complete miss.
You HAVE to test the keeper in these conditions.
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How can we not shoot there in these conditions, utter madness.
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Guys, when you hit it forward you don't have to smash it as far as possible every time, you are allowed to aim it towards one of your team mates.
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Not using our last sub?
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Not using our last sub?
I'd throw Grady on
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Not using our last sub?
Have we got anyone who would help? HRK perhaps. 😆😆
(ducks and runs for cover).
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I'd throw Grady on
I'd go with that.
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Can't believe ref let play on from Gibbs white, he had both feet off the ground.
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Come on lads who want to be a legend?
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Furlong is so bang average
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Wat-er we going to do with this weather?
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Concentrate lads.
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Awful conditions - and a game to match really.
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3 added minutes
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Concentrate lads. Don't do what you did before.
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Wasted free kick.
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Mike Dean is a tool
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Townsend and Bartley. Why oh why?
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Are we playing this out for a draw? Passing it around the middle, Bartley giving it away, cheap free kicks.
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Bartley miss kick, Townsend foul...ooh err
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FT 1-1
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Not a game that’ll live long in the memory. Two poor teams, even allowing for the conditions.
Wolves have regressed a long way from where they were a couple of years ago; we’re just not good enough - but we knew that already.
One of the least memorable BCDs in recent years. A non-event.
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Allardyce got what he wanted a draw
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Wolves couldn't even beat us this season 😂
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Not good enough, poor selection and application.
Down with a whimper.
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A season summed up by the fluke goal and the pathetic Furlong contribution to the late free kick.
Gutted.
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Poor performance. Barring a ten minute spell Wolves were the team throughout. Happy to get a point out of it to be honest.
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More happy they haven’t beaten us to be honest, gave up hope of staying up a few weeks ago
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Game we had to win but Allardyce played like we must not lose, sums up his time here really.
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Not good enough, not nearly good enough. Wrong attitude from the start in a massive match. Just glad they didn’t beat us. That’s the only positive for me.
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Disappointing. Wolves slightly better technical players but, apart from a 20 minute spell, we never put Wolves defence under any sustained pressure.
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Lots to not like there. Probably poor to start with 3 (5) at the back regardless of Wolves, should be playing our own game.
The lack of quality shown. The entire back 4 isn’t good enough, nor is Gallagher and clearly our bench because all the attackers ignored. Pereira, AMN, Okay, Diagne and SJ the only decent quality the rest is just bang average.
Team and subs out question marks on Allardyce for me, not sure we’ll do better or I trust them to employ anybody better.
I think the main issue is that there are too many below average players in this starting 11.
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We look a million miles away from the side that smacked Chelsea, a negative line up today that delivered a negative performance, have no idea why when it was a must win game.
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A season summed up by the fluke goal and the pathetic Furlong contribution to the late free kick.
Gutted.
And by a manager playing to our weaknesses, you forgot that one.
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I'm happy with that. The performance was poor but avoiding defeat was enough for me today.
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I mean, finishing with a sub not used - why not throw Grant, Diagana, hell, even Kanu on for the last 5 mins?
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More happy they haven’t beaten us to be honest, gave up hope of staying up a few weeks ago
Same here, especially the way we performed. We never really got going, and Wolves aren’t a particularly strong side. The goal they conceded was pathetic from their point of view - a player standing in yards of space on the edge of the 6 yard box who didn’t even have to jump to score.
Great cross and all that, but really??
It didn’t say much for the quality of football in the West Midlands. We were poor but Wolves are a million miles from being the Champions League challengers some of their fans think they should be.
A sobering experience all round.
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Another negative approach to a game where we had nothing to lose. I really hope we cut ties with Sam as soon as the season is over.
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And Mike Dean won't be getting an Xmas card from me either.
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Very disappointing for a game where we absolutely had to win just to maintain the illusion that we are trying to stay up. Set up not to lose and hope to nick one - same as that run of games we had to win before where there was a real chance.
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More happy they haven’t beaten us to be honest, gave up hope of staying up a few weeks ago
I agree.
Although it’s been a poor season overall, we’ve only lost one local derby. I’ll take some satisfaction from that.
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For all the millions spent it's still 25 years and counting... :-*
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Another negative approach to a game where we had nothing to lose. I really hope we cut ties with Sam as soon as the season is over.
Allardyce would have expected Wolves to set up with a back three so he set up to counter that. The last time we failed to do that we got over run at Leicester.
He changed it after half an hour but we never really got going in truth. We're not a good enough team to put in consistent high quality performances. We're capable of it every so often but that's as good as it's going to get with this squad.
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Very disappointing for a game where we absolutely had to win just to maintain the illusion that we are trying to stay up. Set up not to lose and hope to nick one - same as that run of games we had to win before where there was a real chance.
We’ve been going down all season.
To lose to the Vile, the Dingles and then get relegated would have been awful.
Plenty to focus on for next season now.
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Will we ever see Diangana play for us again ?
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Allardyce would have expected Wolves to set up with a back three so he set up to counter that. The last time we failed to do that we got over run at Leicester.
He changed it after half an hour but we never really got going in truth. We're not a good enough team to put in consistent high quality performances. We're capable of it every so often but that's as good as it's going to get with this squad.
💯 Agree with every word. Spot on.
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Take that, was a don’t lose for me not a must win as season is well over. 25 years and counting....
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A season summed up by the fluke goal and the pathetic Furlong contribution to the late free kick.
Gutted.
AND the Gallagher miss even more important, Why was he even on the field? No brains and little ability. But as soon as mike hunt, sorry Dean stepped onto that pitch we were never going to win. Bad selection bad tactics, just the same as every other match we needed to win whilst this arrogant git has been in charge. HE HAS FAILED, NOW DUMP HIM and try to find a coach who knows how select teams and tactics to WIN games. I know the players are not the best and all have limitations but they have shown they can win games given the right tactics, team selection and fair treatment by officials. All of which have been in short supply in this league. I was starting to think this management team might be ok next season. I was wrong they and their fear football are not what we need and certainly not what I want to see. And by the way the other Sam, another highly rated load of rubbish can go with them. Really do not want these over hyped 3 kinstooges anywhere near the club next season.
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Allardyce would have expected Wolves to set up with a back three so he set up to counter that. The last time we failed to do that we got over run at Leicester.
He changed it after half an hour but we never really got going in truth. We're not a good enough team to put in consistent high quality performances. We're capable of it every so often but that's as good as it's going to get with this squad.
But if they had gone a back 3 then they'd have had another man in the middle of the pitch making the game even more difficult. With them going 4 at the back it should have given us an advantage with an extra man in the middle - it didn't because the 5 he picked in midfield were so defensively minded. Wolves aren't Leicester, they've got the record for longest run of matches without scoring first, they rarely score in the first half and have been on a rotten run of form.
It says a lot about the manager then that against a team like Leicester he set us up wrong so we got over run. Then as a response to that, apparently, decides to play the tactics he should have done against Leicester but against Wolves? It makes no sense.
This game was nothing to do with the squad - we've played better plenty of times when we play on the front foot, when we close them down aggresively and early. When we sit deep and try to keep teams at bay we play poorly. We handed Wolves the initiative, fought our way back into the game, then let it drift away towards the end. The conditions played their part but I'm baffled as to the Robinson sub, and why we didn't throw Kanu or Grant or Diagana on for someone like Furlong for the last 5 mins.
Not using your subs means either a) you're happy with how it's going or b) you think your subs are so far off the pace that they're not even worth using as a last throw of the dice.
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More than happy we’ve got an equal record against Villa and Wolves this season with a win and only one defeat . It could have been a whole lot worse !
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Imagine the howling and wailing on here if we had lost!! Jeeze!
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Delighted that we were not beaten by the dogheads, who I must admit tried to play football throughout , whereas we just kept blasting to ball upfield in hope that someone would get on the end of it. Yokuslu MOM, SJ very safe in awful conditions, superb cross from Conor T for the goal.
Another very dodgy performance from Semi, and the rest just plain bloody poor stuff.
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Disappointed we didn't start with a back four and Robinson but at least we didn't lose and have kept our long term home record against them lot intact. Terrible conditions, and a lot of missed placed passes from both sides. Some good defending from us. Townsend MOM for dealing with Traore and sublime cross for our equaliser.
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Delighted that we were not beaten by the dogheads, who I must admit tried to play football throughout , whereas we just kept blasting to ball upfield in hope that someone would get on the end of it. Yokuslu MOM, SJ very safe in awful conditions, superb cross from Conor T for the goal.
Another very dodgy performance from Semi, and the rest just plain bloody poor stuff.
I actually thought Townsend had a fairly poor game, as did so many, but fantastic cross for the goal.
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Fuming at our Dingle coach, who has had enough time to change our fortunes, his work with our back four or five hasn't improved us when he sets us up to play negatively. Think he fluked it at Chelski when had so many players get injured and he didn't rate back up defender.
Games against teams around us had the usual let them have possession and see if they can brake us down which they often did hence the position we find ourselves in.
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But if they had gone a back 3 then they'd have had another man in the middle of the pitch making the game even more difficult. With them going 4 at the back it should have given us an advantage with an extra man in the middle - it didn't because the 5 he picked in midfield were so defensively minded. Wolves aren't Leicester, they've got the record for longest run of matches without scoring first, they rarely score in the first half and have been on a rotten run of form.
It says a lot about the manager then that against a team like Leicester he set us up wrong so we got over run. Then as a response to that, apparently, decides to play the tactics he should have done against Leicester but against Wolves? It makes no sense.
This game was nothing to do with the squad - we've played better plenty of times when we play on the front foot, when we close them down aggresively and early. When we sit deep and try to keep teams at bay we play poorly. We handed Wolves the initiative, fought our way back into the game, then let it drift away towards the end. The conditions played their part but I'm baffled as to the Robinson sub, and why we didn't throw Kanu or Grant or Diagana on for someone like Furlong for the last 5 mins.
Not using your subs means either a) you're happy with how it's going or b) you think your subs are so far off the pace that they're not even worth using as a last throw of the dice.
I couldn’t help but think the rain put paid to either team winning the game in the second half.
Whether that was a good thing or a bad thing, I don’t know...
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Will we ever see Diangana play for us again ?
Hopefully next season under a new manager.
Seems pretty clear the rumours of the fall out are true - unless anyone can offer any other reason why he can't even get 10 mins in a game like tonights?
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And have kept our long term home record against them lot intact.
And for another season too! :D
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Had to nip out after the game, the Bomber was talking on Radio WM he said Sam Allardyce is the man to get us back into the Premier league so we must keep him. That is good enough for me, i know who's opinion i value most!!
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Had to nip out after the game, the Bomber was talking on Radio WM he said Sam Allardyce is the man to get us back into the Premier league so we must keep him. That is good enough for me, i know who's opinion i value most!!
100%. We won't get anyone better, I really hope he stays.
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Had to nip out after the game, the Bomber was talking on Radio WM he said Sam Allardyce is the man to get us back into the Premier league so we must keep him. That is good enough for me, i know who's opinion i value most!!
One of the only things I miss about living in the midlands is hearing local radio, and I'm with you, If Tony thinks he should stay, who am I to argue ;D
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Had to nip out after the game, the Bomber was talking on Radio WM he said Sam Allardyce is the man to get us back into the Premier league so we must keep him. That is good enough for me, i know who's opinion i value most!!
Bomber’s not usually wrong in his assessments and doesn’t see the Albion through rose-tinted glasses.
Good enough for me 👍🏻
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Not good enough, poor selection and application.
Down with a whimper.
Eight points from the last fifteen, thats some whimper. We weren't great tonight granted. However we scraped a point in very tough conditions.
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One of the only things I miss about living in the midlands is hearing local radio, and I'm with you, If Tony thinks he should stay, who am I to argue ;D
I'm pretty sure you can get radio WM online. Not that I want to listen to that Paul Franks clown anytime soon.
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Had to nip out after the game, the Bomber was talking on Radio WM he said Sam Allardyce is the man to get us back into the Premier league so we must keep him. That is good enough for me, i know who's opinion i value most!!
I still think we’d be mad to allow him to go unless we really do have a better replacement lined up. And I’m hugely struggling to believe that’s the case with our Board and off-field management.
Gambling with an up-and-coming coach wouldn’t be my vote when the wrong call now could land us in the wilderness for years.
We also have a poor team - the worst we’ve been relegated with IMHO since Gary Megson’s side. There’s some major surgery and dealing to be done to make this team even good enough to challenge - we’re kidding ourselves if we think there’s the bones of an EPL team just waiting to blossom.
Tonight’s game was yet more proof. We go on and on about selections and tactics, but we’ve won five games all season. FIVE. That’s a lack of ability and quality.
If we end up with around 30 points that would for me probably be a par or slightly above par score with the players we have.
So who would you trust with this challenging task? Dowling rebuilding in partnership with a less experienced coach, who most certainly won’t have Allardyce’s experience or track record? Or a manager who’s been successful at what he does for almost 30 years?
A new coach could be a genius, but it’s a big job to tackle if he’s not much good. The consequences of getting this wrong could be totally disastrous for our club. There is SO much at stake.
We’re not a big enough club with a secure enough foundation to roll the dice and just hope we get a big number. If we get this wrong, we are bang in trouble.
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Meh, if it wasnt over before it certainly is now. Least the wolves didnt beat us this season, that'll be another season that they havent won at the hawthorns. Roll on a new season now, fresh start, and hopefully a prosperous season.
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Eight points from the last fifteen, thats some whimper. We weren't great tonight granted. However we scraped a point in very tough conditions.
I think he meant this game. You wouldn't have thought this was a must win match from the way we set up and approached the game.
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I still think we’d be mad to allow him to go unless we really do have a better replacement lined up. And I’m hugely struggling to believe that’s the case with our Board and off-field management.
Gambling with an up-and-coming coach wouldn’t be my vote when the wrong call now could land us in the wilderness for years.
We also have a poor team - the worst we’ve been relegated with IMHO since Gary Megson’s side. There’s some major surgery and dealing to be done to make this team even good enough to challenge - we’re kidding ourselves if we think there’s the bones of an EPL team just waiting to blossom.
Tonight’s game was yet more proof. We go on and on about selections and tactics, but we’ve won five games all season. FIVE. That’s a lack of ability and quality.
So who would you trust? Dowling rebuilding in partnership with a less experienced coach, who most certainly won’t have Allardyce’s experience or track record? Or a manager who’s been successful at what he does for almost 30 years?
A new coach could be a genius, but it’s a big job if he’s not much good. The consequences of getting this wrong could be totally disastrous for our club. There is SO much at stake.
We’re not a big enough club with a secure enough foundation to roll the dice and just hope we get a big number. If we get this wrong, we are bang in trouble.
I see your point about gambling with a brand new manager - rather than sticking with one that's experienced. It's a fair point but I'm sure there must be other exeperienced managers around come summer. If the best we can do is a manager who thought this starting line up would give us the best chance of winning that game then I fear just as much for the club as you do with a new manager.
I think the "5 wins all season" stat though just makes it more bewildering why we have approached games the way we do. I just cannot imagine that starting line up winning a game - drawing, possibly, but winning, no chance. No pace, no counterattacking, 5 defenders set to sit deep, and 3 defensive minded midfielders in front. Leaving Pierera and Diagne to somehow take on Wolves' entire defence.
In a must win game.
Against our local rivals.
At home.
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I see your point about gambling with a brand new manager - rather than sticking with one that's experienced. It's a fair point but I'm sure there must be other exeperienced managers around come summer. If the best we can do is a manager who thought this starting line up would give us the best chance of winning that game then I fear just as much for the club as you do with a new manager.
I think the "5 wins all season" stat though just makes it more bewildering why we have approached games the way we do. I just cannot imagine that starting line up winning a game - drawing, possibly, but winning, no chance. No pace, no counterattacking, 5 defenders set to sit deep, and 3 defensive minded midfielders in front. Leaving Pierera and Diagne to somehow take on Wolves' entire defence.
In a must win game.
Against our local rivals.
At home.
Yes I agree and it’s a fair point - it didn’t work. I’d have preferred a more positive approach because Wolves aren’t all that. They’re not Leicester, whether they play three or four at the back.
But there’s no guarantee we wouldn’t have been picked off against counter-punchers and felt even worse than we do now after a defeat.
I still think the percentage chance of making a much worse appointment than Allardyce is much too high for comfort.
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I still think we’d be mad to allow him to go unless we really do have a better replacement lined up. And I’m hugely struggling to believe that’s the case with our Board and off-field management.
Gambling with an up-and-coming coach wouldn’t be my vote when the wrong call now could land us in the wilderness for years.
We also have a poor team - the worst we’ve been relegated with IMHO since Gary Megson’s side. There’s some major surgery and dealing to be done to make this team even good enough to challenge - we’re kidding ourselves if we think there’s the bones of an EPL team just waiting to blossom.
Tonight’s game was yet more proof. We go on and on about selections and tactics, but we’ve won five games all season. FIVE. That’s a lack of ability and quality.
If we end up with around 30 points that would for me probably be a par or slightly above par score with the players we have.
So who would you trust with this challenging task? Dowling rebuilding in partnership with a less experienced coach, who most certainly won’t have Allardyce’s experience or track record? Or a manager who’s been successful at what he does for almost 30 years?
A new coach could be a genius, but it’s a big job to tackle if he’s not much good. The consequences of getting this wrong could be totally disastrous for our club. There is SO much at stake.
We’re not a big enough club with a secure enough foundation to roll the dice and just hope we get a big number. If we get this wrong, we are bang in trouble.
I’m going with the experienced manager with a successful 30 year record every time.
This isn’t the time to go with left-field appointments given what’s at stake.
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Had to nip out after the game, the Bomber was talking on Radio WM he said Sam Allardyce is the man to get us back into the Premier league so we must keep him. That is good enough for me, i know who's opinion i value most!!
I was listening to Bomber too, and whilst I'm not sure he's right about Allardyce, he was spot on when saying we miss a midfielder able to break forward into the box. Bomber was probably far too modest to say the kind of player he used to be. As he said, our midfielders are too similar. Apart from Robinson occasionally, I can't think of anyone who makes runs forward into shooting positions.
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I’m going with the experienced manager with a successful 30 year record every time.
This isn’t the time to go with left-field appointments given what’s at stake.
He's overseen us relegated this season, that's his most recent work. Speak to some Everton fans to see how successful he was in his previous job.
Put it this way, if you were a team in the Championship, or, someone like Fulham, going down, would you be trying to have a chat with Sam about coming in and taking the job? I don't think so.
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He's overseen us relegated this season, that's his most recent work. Speak to some Everton fans to see how successful he was in his previous job.
Put it this way, if you were a team in the Championship, or, someone like Fulham, going down, would you be trying to have a chat with Sam about coming in and taking the job? I don't think so.
That’s the difference of opinion right there. I most definitely would if I didn’t see better options available.
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I was listening to Bomber too, and whilst I'm not sure he's right about Allardyce, he was spot on when saying we miss a midfielder able to break forward into the box. Bomber was probably far too modest to say the kind of player he used to be. As he said, our midfielders are too similar. Apart from Robinson occasionally, I can't think of anyone who makes runs forward into shooting positions.
Definitely missed that today. With Gallagher, AMN and Okay, none of them are really known for getting forward to score some goals. Gallagher is the closest. When we've played more attacking we've actually had players arriving into the box, like you said, Robinson would do it, as would Phillips - even Furlong would pop up sometimes. I'm sure Diangana or Grant would too. Setting up with the way we did today meant it wasn't going to happen.
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That’s the difference of opinion right there. I most definitely would if I didn’t see better options available.
The second sentence is key - we won't know until the end of the season. I'd keep Sam if there aren't any other better options available too.
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I was listening to Bomber too, and whilst I'm not sure he's right about Allardyce, he was spot on when saying we miss a midfielder able to break forward into the box. Bomber was probably far too modest to say the kind of player he used to be. As he said, our midfielders are too similar. Apart from Robinson occasionally, I can't think of anyone who makes runs forward into shooting positions.
Gallagher does this quite well yet his finishing is below par , big miss tonight !
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Allardyce would have expected Wolves to set up with a back three so he set up to counter that. The last time we failed to do that we got over run at Leicester.
He changed it after half an hour but we never really got going in truth. We're not a good enough team to put in consistent high quality performances. We're capable of it every so often but that's as good as it's going to get with this squad.
Very much this. At this level we’re going to have 3 or 4 good games out of 10 I’m afraid. We just don’t have consistent players for prem football.
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He's overseen us relegated this season, that's his most recent work. Speak to some Everton fans to see how successful he was in his previous job.
Put it this way, if you were a team in the Championship, or, someone like Fulham, going down, would you be trying to have a chat with Sam about coming in and taking the job? I don't think so.
We’ve been going down all season. The bookies had us favourites for relegation before a ball was even kicked.
Personally, I’d have brought him in sooner to give us a better chance of surviving.
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Very much this. At this level we’re going to have 3 or 4 good games out of 10 I’m afraid. We just don’t have consistent players for prem football.
we definitely don't have the calibre of defenders so why persist with defensive football - gutless and brainless
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Gallagher does this quite well yet his finishing is below par , big miss tonight !
Nobody can criticise Gallagher's workrate and energy. He makes runs forward, but he doesn't seem to time his runs forward into shooting positions. Also, a lot of his runs with the ball take him straight into a cluster of players.
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Nobody can criticise Gallagher's workrate and energy. He makes runs forward, but he doesn't seem to time his runs forward into shooting positions. Also, a lot of his runs with the ball take him straight into a cluster of players.
I found at times his enthusiasm would get in the way when we were attacking/counter-attacking teams.
I think the way you’ve pointed out him not timing his runs pretty much sums up his game.
The lad may benefit from another season in the Championship starting every game. Give him the opportunity to work on the timing of his runs, etc.
Unlikely to be with us but I wish him well for the future 👍🏻
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we definitely don't have the calibre of defenders so why persist with defensive football - gutless and brainless
It'd be like playing Andy Carroll and setting up your entire team up to keep it on the deck and play one-two's.
Or signing Messi and thinking you should keep hitting it long.
A good manager will play to his team's strengths - not insist on a way of playing that doesn't suit the team. Over time they can bring players in to play the way he wants - but if you're there and need a short term fix you play to strengths, not weaknesses.
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Value bombers opinion but I'dont agree with his assessment on keeping Allardyce. Tonights game probably summed up his time with us, games we had a chance of winning he sets this team up to give possession to opposition in the hope that a defence which concedes goals for fun will change a habit of a life time. Our strengths are defending from the front look at Southampton game for the perfect tactics and team selection, why oh why move away from that formula? Easy answer really that is not the way Sam likes his teams to set up, so it's a big no from me to let him continue in charge when he failed miserably to keep us up.
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Thought we were poor and whilst I am glad Allardyce changed it after 30mins, we should never have set up like that in the first place. I get that he was caught out against Leicester's back 3 but Wolves are a different kettle of fish and have been switching between a back 4 amd 3 all season. If he wanted flexibility, he should have included Phillips from the start who can play as a winger or a wing-back. O'Shea unlucky to be off ahead of Ajayi, I suspect Allardyce wanted to retain Ajayi's pace although not sure why though, we didn't have a high back line or press high.
Felt like the sub to bring on another forward player should have happened sooner than it did but as others have pointed out, the weather killed the game. It was a risk-averse approach from Allardyce today, something he will always do and a mark against him staying on for me, it's just not my preference.
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Value bombers opinion but I'dont agree with his assessment on keeping Allardyce. Tonights game probably summed up his time with us, games we had a chance of winning he sets this team up to give possession to opposition in the hope that a defence which concedes goals for fun will change a habit of a life time. Our strengths are defending from the front look at Southampton game for the perfect tactics and team selection, why oh why move away from that formula? Easy answer really that is not the way Sam likes his teams to set up, so it's a big no from me to let him continue in charge when he failed miserably to keep us up.
I think a lot of this is valid and am concerned that his naturally cautious approach would result in the team not winning enough games next season to win promotion.
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Will the wolves ever learn?
Too much chat about how great they are, how they were going to hammer us, send us down (by contributing 15% of our total points).
All those European nights, and recent "success" and they're fuming again, trying to console themselves by crowing about our relegation (as if we hadn't accepted it in October) only makes it funnier.
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Will the wolves ever learn?
Too much chat about how great they are, how they were going to hammer us, send us down (by contributing 15% of our total points).
All those European nights, and recent "success" and they're fuming again, trying to console themselves by crowing about our relegation (as if we hadn't accepted it in October) only makes it funnier.
Pity we could not have taken all 6 points off them, would have been a highlight and sore point for them in years to come, but as you say we were realistic and accepted our fate in October. They really do need to look at the direction their own club is going and not worry about us, we will meet again 😉
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I'm pretty sure you can get radio WM online. Not that I want to listen to that Paul Franks clown anytime soon.
You can, but they're not allowed to cover the games live online
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I think a lot of this is valid and am concerned that his naturally cautious approach would result in the team not winning enough games next season to win promotion.
That may not be the case next season having had the summer to shape the squad and prepare for the campaign ahead.
I’d be cautious if I was managing us in the Premier League right given the squad I have to select from.
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Did I hear right last night, thought I heard the commentator say that SA was keen to make OK loan a permanent for next season?
If true then SA wants a crack at the Championship?
Hope so I've said all along that Okay is the type of player that you could build a side around.
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Did I hear right last night, thought I heard the commentator say that SA was keen to make OK loan a permanent for next season?
If true then SA wants a crack at the Championship?
Hope so I've said all along that Okay is the type of player that you could build a side around.
I’ve been impressed with Okay and had resigned myself to him being sold by Celta Vigo in the summer to another club maybe. If there was a chance we could sign Okay that would be fantastic!
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Did I hear right last night, thought I heard the commentator say that SA was keen to make OK loan a permanent for next season?
If true then SA wants a crack at the Championship?
Hope so I've said all along that Okay is the type of player that you could build a side around.
What I heard the commentator say was 'First thing Sam Allardyce wants to do if West Brom stay in the premier league is make Yokuslu's deal permanent'.
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I’ve been impressed with Okay and had resigned myself to him being sold by Celta Vigo in the summer to another club maybe. If there was a chance we could sign Okay that would be fantastic!
To be honest he has levelled off a bit, in comparison to his first few games, which, hopefully, will take him out of the shop window a bit and give us a chance of getting him. because, even at 70% of the form he showed early on, he is still head and shoulders above Livermore.
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To be honest he has levelled off a bit, in comparison to his first few games, which, hopefully, will take him out of the shop window a bit and give us a chance of getting him. because, even at 70% of the form he showed early on, he is still head and shoulders above Livermore.
At 1% of the form he would still be head and shoulders above Livermore.
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One of the only things I miss about living in the midlands is hearing local radio, and I'm with you, If Tony thinks he should stay, who am I to argue ;D
You can listen to WM online, alternatively there is an app called TuneIn radio which broadcasts pretty much every radio station out there (legitimately).
On to the game, a win wouldn't have prevented the inevitable impending relegation and on the balane we probably should have won. Severe defensive overhaul is required next season as well as the midfield assuming both Okay and AMN go back to their parent clubs. I don't expect Pereira to be here either.
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What I heard the commentator say was 'First thing Sam Allardyce wants to do if West Brom stay in the premier league is make Yokuslu's deal permanent'.
They did say we were in for him last summer (and Diagne).
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He's overseen us relegated this season, that's his most recent work. Speak to some Everton fans to see how successful he was in his previous job.
Put it this way, if you were a team in the Championship, or, someone like Fulham, going down, would you be trying to have a chat with Sam about coming in and taking the job? I don't think so.
I’d say absolutely. He’s a good manager....I think most clubs would be interested from mid table prem sides down
He has to stay for me.
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I’d say absolutely. He’s a good manager....I think most clubs would be interested from mid table prem sides down
He has to stay for me.
Agreed. Any club in the Championship would want Allardyce, just no way they would get him.
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Will the wolves ever learn?........
No. Have you seen that photo online of their goonies by the gates at the Smethwick End? They just can't help themselves with flags. Weapons grade appendages ;D .
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No. Have you seen that photo online of their goonies by the gates at the Smethwick End? They just can't help themselves with flags. Weapons grade appendages ;D .
Yes I've see that.
Note they didn't do it in-front of the Astle Gates where any passing Albion fans could have given them the odd slap
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They did say we were in for him last summer (and Diagne).
Yes I heard that also. Maybe not so much in for them but they were on our list of possibles. Don't know if we pursued anything then or more likely it was case of Bilic + Dowling deciding to spend the money elsewhere. From that we assume it wasn't Allardyce's own scouting/knowledge that resulted in Yokuslu and Diagne coming in Jan but it was his decision to take them then.
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I'm pretty sure you can get radio WM online. Not that I want to listen to that Paul Franks clown anytime soon.
I can't pick up WM where I live, but can always get it online. Their licence prevents broadcast of live matches, so I just use it for the pre and after match chat and interviews.
P.S. I always wonder who the frequent caller Van is. Usually talks sense. Is he known on here?
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WM is poor to be honest. I find it pretty sad that it is the only local radio station that covers football.
That shouldnt be the case in 2021.
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A patchy performance in very difficult conditions.
SJ was solid, but many others struggled. Of course they know they are down but Furlong and Ajayi for example were making basic mistakes that would get punished at any level.
Only Pereira and Yokuslu will be sorely missed form this team and I hope by some miracle one of them will stay.
Here's hoping!