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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: Yesterday at 03:33:22 PM »
I don’t understand the shouts for Lampard personally and why it would be ambitious.

The media have created the rhetoric that he did a great job at Derby. He didn’t. He finished 6th. He did no more than ok and had players like Harry Wilson, Mason Mount and Tomori. 

He then got the Chelsea job purely because he was an ex player, spent hundreds of millions and got sacked.

It hard to see how is next job isn’t back in the championship.

He may be able to get some Chelsea kids again, is that really suitable criteria?

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: May 11, 2021, 10:23:04 PM »
Enzo could go on to be a great manager, we just don’t know.   

I’d agree it’s a gamble we can’t afford to take though. Arteta should be enough to show doing well in a role at city doesn’t mean you’ll be an instant success elsewhere and we do need early success next year. I doubt there would be any calls for him if he wasn’t an ex-player.

I was pro allardyce staying anyway, but that list makes me more so.  At one point Potter was rumoured to be under threat and I’d have snapped him up if he had been dismissed but I suspect he was never really in danger. 

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: May 10, 2021, 07:26:27 PM »
I don’t understand this particular rule but I do abide by it.

However if a manager is knowingly out of contract and will not comment on his own future I’d say this is different to a manager being under pressure because of results or just disliked. 

It would seem part of a reasonable discussion to touch on alternatives in this instance. Just my two pence

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: May 10, 2021, 06:38:14 PM »
Everything Allardyce comes out with is a game of expectation management to place himself in the best possible spotlight. We lost our first four home games under him 0-3, 0-5, 0-4 & 0-5 - the team looked completely broken then, but that was Allardyce's immediate impact on the team and truly a new low. The players at that stage clearly didn't agree with his coaching or tactics and struggled to buy into what he asked them to do, as it was the opposite approach of Bilic - who they enjoyed playing for, even when we got found out at this level.

How on earth have you concluded that they enjoyed losing for Bilic but didn’t for Allardyce? Seems like speculation to me.

They may well have been sulking a little after Bilic left but I would suspect they’ve enjoyed the last 10 games far more than the first 10.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Charlie Austin loaned to QPR
« on: May 10, 2021, 10:45:12 AM »
We won’t trigger it,  although CA will know his next contract is now probably closer to his Swindon contract than his largest.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: May 09, 2021, 10:36:20 PM »
I said £25m a few months ago but with his end of season run of form I would be hoping he has pushed his own price up now.

I think Nathan Ake is the record sale out of the championship (sale from a relegated club) and that was a reported £40m. So I think £35m would seem about right post COVID but it’ll need a few interested parties to help us push it towards that.

General Football & Sports / Re: Boxing Thread
« on: May 09, 2021, 12:57:46 PM »
I thought Billy Joe was doing well at the time, definitely had him winning the middle rounds. Then Canelo caught him with a right that looks like it broke Saunders eye and he couldn't see after that. Retired on his stool.

He put up a better effort than Callum Smith did against Canelo anyway.

Canelo is hard as iron.

BJS was doing well enough I agree, but it always felt like Canelo was going to step up a gear and finish the fight.  The only way BJS could win was points and while watching I never felt he was going to last the distance.

General Football & Sports / Re: Boxing Thread
« on: May 09, 2021, 10:54:43 AM »
Great to see Canelo beat BJS even if it was expected.  Canelo might be a drugs cheat but he’s a wonderful fighter. BJS has ability but is just a horrible human.

General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL CHAMPIONSHIP THREAD
« on: May 08, 2021, 02:20:17 PM »
In the Blackburn game Adam Armstrong has back to back home hatricks. Toney will get all the attention but Armstrong has had a great season for a very average Blackburn.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: May 05, 2021, 03:51:39 PM »
Think I would take issue with the sentence in bold being a lazy argument.

SA was employed to keep us up & (baring a miracle) he has failed, had he succeeded, undoubtedly his tenure would have been extended.

The fact that he failed allows the football club to revue their position & look for the best way forward.

Personally, I'm on the same page as Stan, if it were my FC, I'd look towards a re-build with a much stronger structure, which would be more attractive to a buyer.

From commentators who know the Chinese political scene well, it looks as though GL is under some considerable pressure to get rid. So it's likely that we'll end up with a cobbled together, lowest possible cost, sticking plaster solution. I couldn't think of another manager better equipped to deliver that than SA.

Sam Allardyce was employed to ‘try’ and keep us up. It’s an important distinction. I very much doubt he ever made any guarantees.

Unfortunately until he was able to change some personnel he found it difficult. I think given the position we were in and how bad we were, the majority of managers would have struggled, good and bad.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Mbaye Diagne
« on: May 05, 2021, 12:31:43 PM »
If we were going to throw £8m at a striker this summer I'd be heading down to Peterborough to offer it up for Jonson Clarke-Harris.

If he was 2-3 years younger I would agree. A lot of his goals are quite nice, neat finishes. Its the strikers in league one who rack up numbers through scrappy, mishits, scrambles or brute force that you need to avoid because those type of opportunities get fewer and fewer as you go up the divisions.

I think at 27 this summer though, £8m is way too much. 

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: May 05, 2021, 12:21:41 PM »
It as if people think we decide how the game will go and the opposition have no say in it.

Opposition performance
The way the opening 5 minutes of a match go and who grabs the initiative.

All things that could make a game plan in any individual match silly or ill thought out. He judged the situation and made a change. Most managers wouldn't have. We still conceded after the change but it was still the right call. 

The 'he was employed to keep us up and won't so he's failed and should go' is also such a lazy argument I'm struggling for the inclination to argue with it in any depth.

Liam's post is fantastic. We are much improved under Allardyce, the results are much better and for me at least he inspires confidence that he will take us in the right direction. I do share some of Stan's reservations about problems he could leave us with, but that up to Dowling (unfortunately) to manage him and keep a bigger picture in mind.

SA will no doubt want some assurances for next season, like he did for this but it doesn't seem like he was overly unreasonable since he only got 3 loans and free transfer with at least some money coming back in from moving Krov and Austin out.


West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Johnstone
« on: May 05, 2021, 08:41:22 AM »
I’ve no problem with the message being £20m but there’s a very limited market so I don’t think we will get. 

Burnley if Pope goes
Man Utd if De Gea goes

Those are four I’ve seen credited with an interest.

Townsend was bad because he’s a limited footballer. It’s as if all his effort went in to just keeping it down but it wasn’t an easy chance.

Gallagher has to score though.

I don’t think Allardyce set us up defensively as such, I think that’s just how it transpired and it’s why he’s changed it.

Bartley shouldn’t have made a challenge and SJ should have saved it - Is that really what people believe?

We have to try and get on the front second half which I’m hoping will see us get a lot better. It can’t get much worse. 

Ajayi is a strange footballer. Has all the attributes but is just a disaster of a centre half. He is quite deceptive as it’s not always obvious why he’s so poor.

O’Shea and Bartley is a much better option than Ajayi with either. If we sell Bartley we need another centre half. 

I can only assume O Sheas the one to go since Ajayi can keep up with Traore

General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: May 03, 2021, 05:33:42 PM »
A group of fans did try to buy the club but the Glazers put an unrealistic valuation on the club.

Yes they can put prices up but it has to be done at realistic levels not like I think 30% it was when they took over despite promising not to be putting them up.

It was massively different before and the money now involved has good and bad parts to it, normal folk like me and you are not really wanted by the top level clubs anymore, they want the money from tv rights overseas. They couldn't give a toss whether we go or not as gate receipts mean nothing these days and the majority of us won't bother with the club shop on a match day whereas the tourists will pack it out week in week out.

When ‘United fans’ tried to buy it the glaziers valued the club at 1.6bn and the ‘fans’ had £1bn. I put fans in inverted commas because how they had £1bn who knows. I’d suggest it was just a more fan friendly investor

Conservative estimates suggest it’s now worth 3bn, so they were offered a bargain really.

Pandora is out the box, you can’t put it back. The Germans had it right by locking the box in the first place.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Long Term Plan
« on: May 03, 2021, 11:26:08 AM »
As part of our long term planning Id stop giving seemingly blanket 100% increases in salaries for promotion as well as a big bonus.

We are probably going to be one of the highest payers in the championship on average anyway and players are happy signing in the first place. We should run a scheme where they have a championship wage. 50% increase for promotion and a further 50% for staying up in year one.  .

This idea of automatically double your money for doing your job is silly. As a favourite with parachute money it shouldn’t be needed to incentivise the right players to join.

General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: May 03, 2021, 09:24:28 AM »
The United fans have been protesting the owners for years, the super league might have intensified it but it’s not the reason. The reason is they don’t think they spend enough money. They’ve spent around 800m net in 5 years I read.

The United fans  might not want a super league but (most) certainly don’t want a level playing field and fair game.

They have every right to protest though and given the current circumstances you’d at least think most those supporters were from the local community. However you should not now be messing with out fixtures to accommodate Them.

General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: May 02, 2021, 07:56:42 PM »
Moving the game of a club who has not been involved in this mess, does nothing but suggest we are irrelevant. 

Given the recent clubs are nothing without their fans attitude, hold United accountable for the actions of theirs. Make United play twice in 48 hours if you have to.

General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: May 02, 2021, 05:52:22 PM »
I’m not sure the can move our scheduled game to fit this one. What possible justification could they have for that?

General Football & Sports / Re: Anything England Football
« on: May 02, 2021, 12:18:31 PM »
While I’d love Bellingham to be developed into one of the midfield 2, most scouts I’ve listened to - and the Dortmund manager it seems - see him as playing in the number 10/advanced midfielder role.

He may well do, he’s still extremely young isn’t he. When I’ve seen him play personally though he’s looked the complete central  midfielder though.

Against Seville in the champions league he “won the most duels, the most tackles, most fouled player,  had 51 touches of the ball, made eight recoveries, completed two take-ons, made two clearances and was not dribbled past once”.

So he’s certainly capable but he may just have so much talent that you want him affecting things further forwards and getting goals and assists. From an England perspective he would be amazing if he stuck with that perhaps less glamorous role.

In terms of what Jacko said, I’d probably agree with Grealish, Foden, Sterling,  but I’d be temped by Sancho for Sterling depeding on form to the end of the season. .

It will be Rashford, Mount, Sterling if fit though to begin with this summer. Managers love both Mount and Rashford, and Sterling has experience. I’d fancy performances and public pressure for Foden to see him force his was in though as the tournament goes on.

General Football & Sports / Re: Anything England Football
« on: May 02, 2021, 11:13:18 AM »
The best set up for England for the foreseeable seems to be 4-2-3-1

Of the riches we have at present it seems the ‘10’ is between Foden and Mount. I’d personally include Grealish but I don’t think Southgate does and I think Maddison’s personality / behaviour will cost him. 

Bellingham will eventually play in the middle two so it’s It’s the wide attacking midfielders where the heavy competition is.  Rashford, Grealish, Sancho, Sterling, Barnes, Greenwood, Saka, Hudson Odoi.

Greenwood and Hudson Odoi shouldn’t be picked this summer but you can’t rule out the big club bias getting them in. Hudson Odoi is actually miles off it really at present compared to his competition.  Barnes I’d take, because I think he’s a bit different and more direct, but he’s definitely less glamorous than others which will mean he misses out I think.

So I think Foden is actually a choice of two and how he’s controlling city games now puts him in the driving seat.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Long Term Plan
« on: May 02, 2021, 10:10:28 AM »
Do the elite even really do it or do they all just throw money at it?

I can’t really see too much longneck term planning from those either to be honest.

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