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« Reply #325 on: August 05, 2021, 09:46:13 AM »
Masi believes we are still trying to recruit striker and midfielder while Val is happy with what he's got. Think owner will try and placate fans with new arrival.

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« Reply #326 on: August 05, 2021, 09:46:34 AM »
In todays E+S it states VI is happy with the squad but would like a striker, Delap is one he would be keen on if made available.

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« Reply #327 on: August 05, 2021, 10:16:10 AM »
Thank you for posting the Telegraph article gazberg, much appreciated 👍
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« Reply #328 on: August 05, 2021, 10:22:17 AM »
Thank you for posting the Telegraph article gazberg, much appreciated 👍

No worries mate, hope you found something interesting in it!

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« Reply #329 on: August 05, 2021, 10:24:22 AM »
Does anyone know where 'Full Throstle' is available. I don't think i've seen it.  A quick google search didnt seem to help.

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« Reply #330 on: August 05, 2021, 10:25:49 AM »
Does anyone know where 'Full Throstle' is available. I don't think i've seen it.  A quick google search didnt seem to help.

My google fu shows 1 available on Ebay

https://www.ebay.co.uk/p/1809263841

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« Reply #331 on: August 05, 2021, 10:33:24 AM »

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« Reply #332 on: August 05, 2021, 12:56:37 PM »
Notice he says wingbacks and no. 6 when apparently they're wide midfielders and we're not using a 6 it'll be a double 8...

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« Reply #333 on: August 06, 2021, 10:55:56 AM »
Thanks for posting that article Gazberg. Good reading, he's certainly a captivating and engaging individual. Can't wait to see his starting 11 and how we do tonight. We may need patience but hopefully we enjoy what we see.
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« Reply #334 on: August 06, 2021, 11:11:43 AM »
Notice he says wingbacks and no. 6 when apparently they're wide midfielders and we're not using a 6 it'll be a double 8...

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« Reply #335 on: August 06, 2021, 01:43:13 PM »
Good luck for tonight Val.   I'm super excited and impressed with everything so far,  I just hope the fans and hierarchy are patient when things get bumpy.

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« Reply #336 on: August 06, 2021, 01:47:00 PM »
Its going to be a challenge getting a whole new ethos embedded especially with older players who have "seen them come and seen them go"
Everyone has to have patience, the club have given a 4 year contract so we have to hope they will be supportive and we have a huge role in that, an agitated crowd / fan base can precipitate action, so lets all get on board, Vals blue and white Army !
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« Reply #337 on: August 06, 2021, 02:10:32 PM »
Definitely going to be an interesting season ahead regardless. Hopefully it's a successful one. COYB!

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« Reply #338 on: August 06, 2021, 03:26:55 PM »
I am cautiously optimistic.

I wouldn't have fancied us with our existing squad with any of the other candidates we were linked to but VI polished a serious turd last season with Barnsley so with slightly better players, if they buy into it, you have to be hopeful of top two.

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« Reply #339 on: August 07, 2021, 07:59:22 AM »
Would I be right in saying yesterday was a combination of Klopp meets Pulis?  :o

Entertaining football but also very unusual, I haven't seen anything like it before.

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« Reply #340 on: August 07, 2021, 12:33:39 PM »
Getting the ball forward into the danger are puts pressure on opponents.
Doing it quickly and economically creates better chances. Taking the chances is the issue for us perhaps.  :)

Set pieces are meant to give advantage to the team awarded them, so trying to make the most of these sorts of chances is best practice.

Getting the ball away from danger when defending is a number one priority. Best case is it sets up a quick counter attack creating a chance to score. Probably needs some work

Basic simple soccer facts. Making it simple is essential for the present day player who seems in general to need his thinking done for him. :-*

Above all is the essential core fitness to carry out these relatively simple tasks consistently and for the whole game. This is what WBA are working for at the moment. 

Need to do more work on the 'winning' of free kicks and getting opponents punished for their 'misdemeanours'. An absolutely essential part of modern soccer. Maybe need to import specialist coaches from Brazil Italy, or Spain. Each has its own area of specialised activity so perhaps a combination of all three might help. If we can't afford this then having video loops of Fulham Bournemouth Spurs matches analysed and replayed for a couple of hours after training every days compulsory viewing >:(

Definitely not Pulisball. :P

What is not to like? ;D
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« Reply #341 on: August 09, 2021, 01:13:17 PM »
Getting the ball forward into the danger are puts pressure on opponents.
Doing it quickly and economically creates better chances.

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Set pieces are meant to give advantage to the team awarded them, so trying to make the most of these sorts of chances is best practice.

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Getting the ball away from danger when defending is a number one priority.

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Definitely not Pulisball.

Okay, if you say not. It sounds like the exact definition of Pulisball, to me,

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« Reply #342 on: August 09, 2021, 01:18:19 PM »
This quote from https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2021/08/09/valerien-ismael-ready-to-ring-changes-for-west-broms-season/
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We know we have five very good centre-backs. In that area, we have the choice to pick the player we need.
made me wonder which centre-backs he's been watching and why he hasn't selected them. Of the five I know about - Bartley, Dara, Ajayi, Kipre, and Clark - three are error-prone and three are (IMO) too slow to play his system.

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« Reply #343 on: August 09, 2021, 01:33:06 PM »
Okay, if you say not. It sounds like the exact definition of Pulisball, to me,
It is Pulisbal in the sense that Pulis believes in getting the ball forward quickly, i.e. no build up from the back, lots of getting the ball into the opposition box from dead ball situations such as long throws.

However, there is one crucial difference. Pulis relied on a lone target man striker who had little or no support, whilst most of the team sat deep around their own penalty area. VI believes in 3 forwards and in getting numbers forward in support. So although the ball goes forward quickly, more of the game is concentrated in the opponents half. VI is effectively trying to box the opponents into their own half.   
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« Reply #344 on: August 09, 2021, 01:38:03 PM »
This quote from https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2021/08/09/valerien-ismael-ready-to-ring-changes-for-west-broms-season/made me wonder which centre-backs he's been watching and why he hasn't selected them. Of the five I know about - Bartley, Dara, Ajayi, Kipre, and Clark - three are error-prone and three are (IMO) too slow to play his system.

Well let's face it, on our budget they are as good as we could attract.  Bartley will be key and is the natural leader in the line.  Dara continues to improve and is a decent all round defender.  Semi has the pace but his passing last season was dangerous at times and that's why Clarke was bought in, he isn't as quick but can hit a pass.  Without Clarke it was Kipre given this job.   Do they all have an error in them/lack of pace? Yes.  Will we see moments of calamity defending this season? Probably.  Between them should they offer enough periods of competent defending to challenge at this level? Hopefully.

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« Reply #345 on: August 09, 2021, 01:39:32 PM »
Apart from having 3 fast cb the defensive midfielder should also be very fast

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« Reply #346 on: August 09, 2021, 01:43:38 PM »
It is Pulisbal in the sense that Pulis believes in getting the ball forward quickly, i.e. no build up from the back, lots of getting the ball into the opposition box from dead ball situations such as long throws.

However, there is one crucial difference. Pulis relied on a lone target man striker who had little or no support, whilst most of the team sat deep around their own penalty area. VI believes in 3 forwards and in getting numbers forward in support. So although the ball goes forward quickly, more of the game is concentrated in the opponents half. VI is effectively trying to box the opponents into their own half.   

Agree on this.  Rondon was often thirty or forty yards away from the nearest teammate when the ball was hit in his general.direction as Pullis played first and foremost not to lose, rather than to win.
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« Reply #347 on: August 09, 2021, 04:21:09 PM »
It is Pulisbal in the sense that Pulis believes in getting the ball forward quickly, i.e. no build up from the back, lots of getting the ball into the opposition box from dead ball situations such as long throws.
I'd forgotten the long throws...

You can add 54% pass completion to the mix as well (I didn't count them myself, just a figure I've seen elsewhere).

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« Reply #348 on: August 09, 2021, 04:25:05 PM »
Tony Pulis likes all of his players to be in their own half with one striker lost up front. Ismael likes the entire side to be in the oppositions half with our defenders now playing on the half way line. Kyle Bartley and O'Shea at Bournemouth were positioned were Rondon was under Pulis. Complete switch thank god.

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« Reply #349 on: August 09, 2021, 04:55:32 PM »
We now press with people in front of the ball, Pulis was all about men behind the ball.
Chalk and cheese.
Set pieces are an asset to ANY formation, that’s why diving is so prevalent, so no complaints from me re the long throws, I’d rather be watching their defenders panic than ours.