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« Reply #100 on: September 05, 2020, 08:06:21 AM »
I might be wrong, but hasn't Wilson been injured a lot this year? Chances are we only buying one striker - I cannot see us wanting one that has injuries regularly.
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« Reply #101 on: September 05, 2020, 08:10:28 AM »
Callum Wilson is a decent forward when fit. His knee-injury history is a red flag in terms of signing him. I’d take the younger, fitter Karlan Grant over Callum Wilson.

No he isn’t going to have the experience as Callum Wilson. But when you’re spending between 16-18 million on a striker, you can’t have the risk of one his glass knees going again during the campaign and him being sidelined for months.

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« Reply #102 on: September 06, 2020, 09:29:52 AM »
Bid accepted according to Twitter - then Grant liked that post before removing his 'like'.

Fire up the fax machine!

There is a story this morning that highlights that Grant also commented on Diangana’s move on social media.

The story states they have no playing connection but I’d imagine as two 22 year olds from London it’s not impossible they know each other from the youth scene. 

It’s another tenuous link, but does suggest Grant is being lined up and is watching us with interest.

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« Reply #103 on: September 06, 2020, 12:02:28 PM »
Hope Villa do not intervene after Wilson preferring Newcastle can we expect late interest?

I really like the idea of Grant. Reckon he would do well at Albion. Get this one over the line Albion!

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« Reply #104 on: September 06, 2020, 01:12:35 PM »
Hope Villa do not intervene after Wilson preferring Newcastle can we expect late interest?

I really like the idea of Grant. Reckon he would do well at Albion. Get this one over the line Albion!
No chance, not whilst they know that Neymar, Lewandowski and Mbappe are wishing to turn up in B6.
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« Reply #105 on: September 06, 2020, 01:52:09 PM »
No chance, not whilst they know that Neymar, Lewandowski and Mbappe are wishing to turn up in B6.
Not those three superstars, but they will be more interested in trying for Watkins than the likes of Grant. Although I know it sometimes seems like they adopt a scattergun approach in recruitment.
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« Reply #106 on: September 07, 2020, 08:16:15 AM »

By Steve Madeley  2h ago  4 
The jubilant scenes in the East Stand car park already feel like a lifetime ago.

In fact, less than seven weeks have passed since Darnell Furlong carried a lit flare into an empty Hawthorns, Matheus Pereira and Grady Diangana danced a jig and Jake Livermore struggled to contain his emotion as West Bromwich Albion returned to the Premier League.

But football moves on quickly and the reality of top-flight life will soon hit Albion once more like a sledgehammer as they begin the new season with their recruitment for it incomplete.

The feelgood factor has not dissipated entirely and the permanent signing of Diangana from West Ham United after last season’s impressive loan spell has certainly put a spring in the step of the supporters.

Yet many of them have spent enough time watching their club in the Premier League in the past two decades to be painfully aware of the challenge that awaits between Sunday’s home match against Leicester City and the trip to Leeds United on May 23, 2021.

Only a handful of players remain from the club’s last stint among the elite, so head coach Slaven Bilic will tackle the new campaign with a group who, in the main, have not been scarred by, nor tested in, the top flight.

He will do so, too, with transfer business still very much in progress and in the knowledge he is unlikely to get reinforcements in all the areas he would like to strengthen over the line before the October deadline.

In short, the mission awaiting Bilic and his team is seriously difficult.

Finishing fourth-bottom will represent success, so Albion fans who became used to seeing their team dominating games and winning many more than they lost during two seasons back in the Championship must now steel themselves for something very different.

For much of last season, promotion felt like a potential cherry on the cake of a year in which those supporters fell back in love with their club. After lockdown and the impact of COVID-19, it became a financial imperative.

But it was always likely to leave West Brom turning up armed with catapults at Premier League gunfights.

With an unwillingness or inability from owner Guochuan Lai to invest personal funds, a reluctance from the UK-based hierarchy to spend hugely in uncertain financial times and a lack of clarity on when turnstile and commercial income might return to normal, Albion’s playing budget is among the smallest in the division.

So they will begin the season, and probably end the summer transfer window, without filling some of the holes in their squad.

The marquee signing of this brief close-season has undoubtedly been Diangana — a player identified by newly-hired Bilic last summer as a prime loan target and a one who he made a priority this summer when noises emerged that parent club West Ham needed to raise cash.

There were debates behind the scenes about whether to press ahead with a permanent transfer as a long-term investment or push for a second season on loan to save the available funds for other positions but what was never in dispute was the potential impact of Diangana both on the pitch and on the mood of fans and team-mates alike.

The commitment to an £18 million deal does, however, leave Albion needing to be creative to achieve their other priorities. Chief among them is recruiting a goalscorer to lead their attack in the top division.

Karlan Grant (pictured above), who scored 19 Championship goals for Huddersfield Town last season, remains their main target after they concluded they could not compete with wealthier clubs for Ollie Watkins, who got a division-leading 26 for play-off finalists Brentford.



An agreement was close before the signing of Diangana and discussions remain ongoing but West Brom will need to get creative with staggered payments, possibly a loan with future obligations or perhaps a hefty sell-on clause to resurrect a deal. It appears inconceivable they will end the window without adding a striker to their ranks, given their struggles to find a regular goalscorer even in a free-flowing Championship team last season.

It still seems likely Filip Krovinovic will be back, probably initially on loan again, although negotiations with parent club Benfica are currently snagged on the terms of any future obligation to buy the Croatian midfielder.

Elsewhere, it is likely Bilic will have to accept the limitations of his budget and make the best of what he has.



He would have liked a goalkeeper with genuine star quality but has had to settle for Brighton & Hove Albion No 2 David Button, a man with vast experience but who has never nailed down a regular Premier League place, meaning Sam Johnstone is likely to be thrown into the deep end.

He would also have liked a left-back with the talent and power of Kieran Gibbs but with a less-worrying injury record. With Albion unable to offload the former England international, Bilic will need to cross his fingers that Gibbs can stay fit but be prepared to get the most from Premier League rookies Conor Townsend and Dara O’Shea as potential understudies with plenty of work ahead.

At centre-back, an experienced Premier League campaigner was desirable, and there were discussions about Brighton’s Shane Duffy before he joined Celtic, but Cedric Kipre, the former Wigan Athletic man, now seems likely to be the only defensive arrival. That means Kipre and Semi Ajayi, another Premier League newbie, must combine with Ahmed Hegazi and Kyle Bartley, two more-experienced players who have been in the division before with mixed results, to the best possible effect.

Bilic looks set to go into the season without a specialist holding midfielder. That means Livermore, Romaine Sawyers and potentially Krovinovic will need tactical discipline and intelligence to offer protection to their defenders.

It is not perfect but it is where Albion find themselves. After a season of exceeding expectations in the Championship, they have earned the right to test themselves in a less forgiving league.

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« Reply #107 on: September 07, 2020, 09:32:31 AM »
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« Reply #108 on: September 07, 2020, 09:44:30 AM »
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« Reply #109 on: September 07, 2020, 09:59:39 AM »
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Yep. Well written article though... slightly depressing read but a good summary of where we are at right now. That said I agree with mulligan, in that we've got some financial benefits now.

I think we've got a struggle this season but I think at least five other clubs have too.
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« Reply #110 on: September 07, 2020, 10:22:18 AM »
The article does make grim reading, although it feels slightly too pessimistic. I refuse to believe that we would go into the new season with just 1 new addition. If we try that, we almost certainly finish bottom of the table.

I get why the club would go for Diangana over Grant if that is what ends up happening, but this is why we need to be more imaginative with our scouting. We need to look for bargains abroad, players who have had a bad season somewhere else and might be available cheap or pick up a clever free transfer like we used to in the Ashworth days.

We will be torn to shreds next season without a new forward, a new centre mid and a left back.
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« Reply #111 on: September 07, 2020, 10:42:39 AM »
If all these rumours about staged payments are correct, I would say, the club is taking a risk on debt.

Just depends on how much of a risk, & for how long. I would say that taking a £30 million debt into the Championship next season would be pretty catastrophic.

So I would expect to get both Grant & Krovinavic, but IMO, if it's funded by debt, it's a strategy, that would need us to stay in the Prem.
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« Reply #112 on: September 07, 2020, 10:47:01 AM »
If all these rumours about staged payments are correct, I would say, the club is taking a risk on debt.

Just depends on how much of a risk, & for how long. I would say that taking a £30 million debt into the Championship next season would be pretty catastrophic.

So I would expect to get both Grant & Krovinavic, but IMO, if it's funded by debt, it's a strategy, that would need us to stay in the Prem.
Not necessarily, we would have young players with (probably) good resale value, which would not be an ideal outcome, but survivable

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« Reply #113 on: September 07, 2020, 10:52:52 AM »
Do we think that that the Grant deal is dead now that we've bought in Diangana? Surely we can afford to do both.
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« Reply #114 on: September 07, 2020, 10:54:43 AM »
If all these rumours about staged payments are correct, I would say, the club is taking a risk on debt.

Just depends on how much of a risk, & for how long. I would say that taking a £30 million debt into the Championship next season would be pretty catastrophic.

So I would expect to get both Grant & Krovinavic, but IMO, if it's funded by debt, it's a strategy, that would need us to stay in the Prem.
Staggered payments aren’t a new thing, it’s how most deals are structured. If we go down and the revenue drops we’ll bank on selling Grady, Pereira, etc and their structured payments will cover what we pay out.

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« Reply #115 on: September 07, 2020, 11:24:40 AM »
Do we think that that the Grant deal is dead now that we've bought in Diangana? Surely we can afford to do both.

I would be shocked if the Diangana money replaced funds for a forward.

In my opinion, the GD money was a sign that the board are willing to spend a little extra when presented with too good to miss opportunity. If this replaces money to get a goalscorer, then as pleased as I am about Grady I am disappointed fan.

Nevertheless, I'm feeling positive - Grant, Krov, Robinson and 2 positive surprise loans before Leicester!

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« Reply #116 on: September 07, 2020, 11:26:45 AM »
If all these rumours about staged payments are correct, I would say, the club is taking a risk on debt.

Just depends on how much of a risk, & for how long. I would say that taking a £30 million debt into the Championship next season would be pretty catastrophic.

So I would expect to get both Grant & Krovinavic, but IMO, if it's funded by debt, it's a strategy, that would need us to stay in the Prem.

There isn’t a big risk on debt with staggered payments unless we get towards total fees of 30-40m plus. Only then are we probably spending money we don’t have.

We can probably afford Diangana, Grant, Kipre And Robinson (with Burke in return)  but that’s likely the entire transfer budget leaving everything else to loans.




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« Reply #117 on: September 07, 2020, 11:41:58 AM »
I would be shocked if the Diangana money replaced funds for a forward.

In my opinion, the GD money was a sign that the board are willing to spend a little extra when presented with too good to miss opportunity. If this replaces money to get a goalscorer, then as pleased as I am about Grady I am disappointed fan.

Nevertheless, I'm feeling positive - Grant, Krov, Robinson and 2 positive surprise loans before Leicester!

Steve Madeley's report has already said that by buying Grady we will have to be "creative" with any other deals going forward.
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« Reply #118 on: September 07, 2020, 11:57:23 AM »
I would be shocked if the Diangana money replaced funds for a forward.

In my opinion, the GD money was a sign that the board are willing to spend a little extra when presented with too good to miss opportunity. If this replaces money to get a goalscorer, then as pleased as I am about Grady I am disappointed fan.

Nevertheless, I'm feeling positive - Grant, Krov, Robinson and 2 positive surprise loans before Leicester!

Its an interesting and worrying proposition, that we got Grady purely because it was too good a deal to miss out on, but it may cost us the forward we desperately need.  Easy to say as a fan, but I genuinely think a risk needs to be taken on a player like Grant if he is still available and fits the bill.  Another player smack in the right age range with potential to score in the PL who we know can do a good job in the Championship.   Again, barring injury it should be a pretty sound investment.

The most recent risks we took were of the opposite type, taking on experienced international players and all we saw was our millions disappearing down the PL drain with nothing in return and zero to show.   
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« Reply #119 on: September 07, 2020, 12:20:42 PM »
Steve Madeley's report has already said that by buying Grady we will have to be "creative" with any other deals going forward.

Don't think Madeley has any real 'in' with the club. His pieces tend to be a mixture of conjecture and opinion. Nothing in that article we couldn't have come up with from the outside looking in.
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« Reply #120 on: September 07, 2020, 12:31:46 PM »
If all these rumours about staged payments are correct, I would say, the club is taking a risk on debt.

Just depends on how much of a risk, & for how long. I would say that taking a £30 million debt into the Championship next season would be pretty catastrophic.

So I would expect to get both Grant & Krovinavic, but IMO, if it's funded by debt, it's a strategy, that would need us to stay in the Prem.


Transfer windos will exist next season where we sell our best players and make a profit and clear any small debt if we wish. Bigger risk is not taking the risk.

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« Reply #121 on: September 07, 2020, 12:51:29 PM »
If all these rumours about staged payments are correct, I would say, the club is taking a risk on debt.

Just depends on how much of a risk, & for how long. I would say that taking a £30 million debt into the Championship next season would be pretty catastrophic.

So I would expect to get both Grant & Krovinavic, but IMO, if it's funded by debt, it's a strategy, that would need us to stay in the Prem.

Carrying that amount of debt isn't too bad, so long as we have the parachute payments. It's not an unmanageable level. And if the signings come off, then we can soon flip it for more money which we can reinvest.

What affected us before was the large wages we were paying out, that needed Premier league money to sustain them. That hampered the cash flow for a good while.

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« Reply #122 on: September 07, 2020, 12:53:10 PM »
Don't think Madeley has any real 'in' with the club. His pieces tend to be a mixture of conjecture and opinion. Nothing in that article we couldn't have come up with from the outside looking in.

Agreed. It is a well written article and a stark reminder of what we already know. I would still expect us to get Grant if we want him.

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« Reply #123 on: September 07, 2020, 12:53:47 PM »
Our issue in previous seasons is having an ageing squad with depleted value that are harder to sell on. We now have a squad with the addition of Pereira Diangana that should (bar an awful season personally by them) have the same or more value than we paid.

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« Reply #124 on: September 07, 2020, 01:24:12 PM »
If Madeley is right we spent our budget our Diangana and now have to rely on loans and sales. The trouble is I can’t see us shifting many of our players. I think we need at least 2 new strikers. Our squad is currently weaker than the one that finished last season.