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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: Yesterday at 05:21:43 PM »
Myers is actually an honorary Baggie though, he did this back in 2002...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWCFYp3F4Ck

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: Yesterday at 04:35:20 PM »
Regards Maresca it is a mention purely because he played here. If it wasn't there would be named Chelsea, Liverpool and Man Utd (among others) backroom staff in this thread.

It's not whoooollley that reason, although I did admit I was being a bit of romantic.

Maresca was favourite for the Celtic managers job just over a month ago, while he has just helped Man City win their first PL2 title - he is basically the highest profile youth development league coach.

He also puts us in pole position to take advantage of cities academy - they currently have 3 or 4 players who are prime for a championship loan move who could be very exciting- Delap, Harwood-Bellis, Doyle, Palmer and maybe Nmecha.

His past here does help though - would be a good story.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: Yesterday at 03:40:32 PM »
Thanks Bakey, you were spot on before and another poster who has proven very reliable for over a decade on here also backed up the Wilder bit. The E&S also seem to be suggesting as much.

Joe Masi alluded to something the other day where Allardyce has said he will need to speak to his wife before making a decision to see how "a season in the championship will effect them" so it makes sense if he is worried about the health side of things.

I think Wilder will be a mistake, but oh well.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: Yesterday at 03:28:58 PM »
Paul Cook did a great job at Wigan when they could hardly pay the players that hadn't left the club for reliable wages.  He's in a similar situation board-wise at Ipswich.  Probably one of the very few young managers that would regard WBA as an attractive proposition.

Please no going back to Appleton and Moore. 

Allardyce will only stay if he gets a free rein on our bank account.

I'd love Paul Cook here, but last year I got the impression he wouldn't be open to a modern head coach role, he would likely want full control of transfers.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: Yesterday at 03:28:06 PM »
In reality, it's going to be Allardyce or Wilder - most likely Allardyce. I don't see Dowling having a ton of names he will look at, I have zero faith in his judgement.

In terms of the perfect world, I've said for years on here that German managers are the way to go, that they are the future. Well, now they are the present.

The last 2 champions leagues have been won by Germans, possibly also this year's. Last year Germans were managing the league winner in 3 of the major 5 leagues. A German has won the championship this year, the same German who won it 2 years ago and Germans might yet hold half of the managerial posts of the club's occupying this years champions league places when the league finishes.

The only issue now is the new rules post us leaving the EU, I think we can still hire German managers, but I'm not sure they can bring their assistants over as easily which might be a deal breaker.

Domestically, I wouldn't rule out Enzo Maresca. He is on an upward curve, has won the premier league 2 with Man City's development squad. I'm a romantic at heart - I'd love him back.

I'm not as keen on Wilder. I respect him a lot and if I was Burnley and Dyche left them, I'd be looking at him, but there are a few things that make me nervous. 1, his transfer record is poor in recent seasons, some real lapses of judgement. 2, the rumours of his fall out at Sheff Utd suggested he wanted total control of transfers - something we should not give him. 3, as pointed out on the E & S Albion podcast this week, he doesn't really like using wingers. What do we have a lot of?

I'd also say no to Appleton, who i do like but who I think doesn't quite have enough about him.

I do like the look of Ismael at Barnsley, my only concern is that I haven't seen a lot of them this season and Warnock suggested they played long ball football in  a post match presser, which must be bad if he is saying it 😂. I'm hoping in reality it was just high pressure football and a weakness they exposed. I'd have him on my shortlist if Barnsley fall short.

I'd also look at Struber, their ex manager who is now at New York RB.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: May 11, 2021, 12:25:21 PM »
I don’t fully see it as a case that Allardyce going = the club have no ambition to get promoted.

Allardyce and Albion will have the same aim of an immediate return to the premier league, but while the board need to also factor in planning for the 2022/23 season (in the event of us falling short), Allardyce will know that failure to get up next season probably means he leaves, so the decisions he may favour could well be very short termist.

Palace for instance are probably going to release a handful of players who have been the bedrock of their side in recent years - players there under Allardyce’s reign. Allardyce might look at Townsend, McCarthey, Schlupp, Van Aanholt, Cahill and Kelly and say they have it in them to still be very effective at a top championship side next year. They are all getting towards the twilight of their careers and will want significant wages, but Allardyce will ultimately only really care about next season - **** or bust.

The club on the other hand might need to consider if it is right to lay all of their eggs in one basket and gamble on next season at the detriment of having a decent chance in the second season, should it be needed. They might want to invest in younger players again who will still play a part the year after.

It’s hard to predict what Allardyce will want, but there is an entirely possible scenario that the money will be there for players to the level Allardyce would want, but maybe not the level of control.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Under 23's / Academy Thread
« on: May 11, 2021, 12:08:51 PM »
Shame, Dyce had captained the side in the past from what I remember. Still, at 20 it’s only right to let him go rather than letting him stagnate.

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General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: May 11, 2021, 12:22:15 AM »
A word for Sean Dyche - how he keeps this Burnley side up every year is quite incredible. One signing last summer - Dale Stephens who has barely featured for them.

His side tonight included:

James Tarkowski and Ben Mee -signed while in the championship
Matt Lowton - signed in the championship after a real drop off in form while at Villa where he was seen as not good enough for the top flight
Charlie Taylor, Chris Wood, Nick Pope and Josh Brownhill - signed from the championship
Ashley Westwood - relegated with Villa, I went to a fair few of their games that season with my Villa fan mates and Westwood was one of their main boo boys that season. Couldn't believe when Burnley signed him as he looked way off the pace, drilled into a solid prem midfielder by Dyche
Dwight McNeil - academy
Matej Vydra - A deadly championship striker, no more than that, see Gayle or Mitrovic

Only Jack Cork has been signed from a top flight club.

Klopp, Guardiola and Tuchel are world class managers, but you can make a case to say Sean Dyche might just be the most incredible coach in the entire premier league.




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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: West Bromwich Albion (R)
« on: May 10, 2021, 11:35:05 PM »
Very good article in the athletic today by Steve Madeley setting out in further detail what has gone on this season. The pertinent point is that our budget was just £20m with anything else to be staggered over the next few years and that left us with no realistic chance of being able to compete. The writing was on the wall before a ball was kicked:

"The Athletic has learned that even during pre-season senior Albion figures, chatting to others in football, raised serious doubts about their ability to compete in the top flight with the money available."

The club should have been more honest and admitted we were broke and doing a Norwich
.

I feel like Norwich had a coherent strategy with a lot more forward planning. They were relegated and were in a stronger position than when they went up.

Sadly I don't think we can say that about us. Very few youngsters breaking through who have been battle hardened in the brief prem stay like Norwich had/have, huge gaps in our squad once all the loanees go back and much like Fulham in 2019, our 2 most expensive signings the summer before have serious question marks over their futures less than a year after signing.

Somebody at the club will eventually need to work out a coherent strategy and stick to it if we are going to have any chance of a prolonged stay in the top flight - that's the only way Lai gets his fanciful £200m valuation met.

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General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: May 10, 2021, 11:18:18 PM »
Their defence is great, particularly with Reid shielding them, but I'm not sure if they keep Anguissa. They loaned both him and Seri last time they were relegated so I wouldn't be shocked to see them do it again.

We know Mitrovic is like Dwight Gayle in the championship, while Cavaliero & Decordova-reid are more than capable, but Knockaert isn't exactly tearing up trees at Forest so they probably need to get themselves a bit more creativity in the side for next season.

My main question would be if they can afford to sustain the squad they have? 3 years ago they spent a fortune only to be relegated, they haven't made much in the way of player sales and they will have had a considerable wage bill with some of the big names they had at the club this season. Will they need to scale back this summer, or will Khan just keep bankrolling them?

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General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: May 10, 2021, 08:58:04 PM »
Scott Parker isn't a terrible manager, but he isn't particularly good either. Really hope he stays in charge at Fulham next season as he has had the squad capable of staying up this season but he might not even make 30 points.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Under 23's / Academy Thread
« on: May 10, 2021, 04:37:21 PM »
Grosicki making a rare appearance in the stiffs today. The rest are the usual under 23s.

It’s going a bit off topic I know, but whenever I see anyone get excited online about the potential of England’s current crop of players, the usual suspects come out with the whole “oh, here they go again” blah.

Then I look at Grosicki, the starting winger for the 8th seed in the European championship draw, playing with our youth team.

It justifies getting hopeful.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: May 10, 2021, 04:29:06 PM »
I look forward to a time when our manager's every word isn't hovered over like a hawk seeking a mouse in the grass. Unfortunately that will be the day after the internet snaps. Never mind, we can't have everything  ;D .

I thought it was an interesting admission. Manages our expectations of what we will see in the final three games.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: May 10, 2021, 02:30:32 PM »
Allardyce confirmed in the press conference last night that he will not be experimenting in the last 3 games, so expect the loanees to keep their places and limited opportunities for Grant, Diangana, Sawyers, Livermore and anyone else who will still be at the club next season but not currently getting much game time.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: May 10, 2021, 02:03:18 PM »
Allardyce last night again commented on Pereira's future, his time going from saying "it will be hard" to keep Pereira to now saying we won't be able to keep him.

If Allardyce wanted to keep him at all costs, I tend to think the skilled media manipulator that he is would be saying it was crucial to keep him and that he hopes we can.

The fact he isn't really does suggest to me that Allardyce wants the funds his sale will generate.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Hal Robson-Kanu
« on: May 09, 2021, 11:52:32 PM »
He’ll be given a new deal. He will be viewed as being able to ‘do a job’.

They will see bigger priorities elsewhere and HRK is therefore an easy fix.

Agree, looks nailed on from where I’m sitting. Allardyce has shown time and time again that he sees something in him, just like Pulis, Pardew, Moore and Bilic before him.

I have to imagine he is a good character to have around the club, comes across as fairly intelligent and probably a hard worker in training.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: So Happy
« on: May 09, 2021, 11:41:52 PM »
While I’m not happy, I don’t see why somebody else being happy due to enjoying the championship and hating the premier league is such a sin. Many fans stopped going up after the first promotion under Megson, including a large number of those who had made the Brummie road so noisy in the late 90’s and early 2000’s.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: May 09, 2021, 10:49:11 PM »
If Allardyce is planning to stay here next season, then do we read his comments yesterday as being at all a sign of his own thinking? Is it possible that Allardyce would want the club to sell to fund a recruitment drive for the players he will want? You have to imagine, with all of the loanees going back and with his lack of interest in Sawyers, Diangana, Livermore and Grant that he will likely want a fair few players this summer.

That might be a factor in his sale.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: West Bromwich Albion (R)
« on: May 09, 2021, 09:45:23 PM »
The summer was the main thing that let us down. The failure to get ourselves a defensive midfielder and a centre forward being the most glaring errors, while the summer long aim of bringing back the loanees - loanees who had been part of the flawed side that had limped over the line the season before - was also a strange endeavour. The only new additions we made all flopped, bar an okay showing from Connor Gallagher who never really recovered from Bilic’s sacking and the subsequent change of style.

Lessons that can be learnt - that Luke Dowling isn’t dynamic enough to establish us in the premier league, struggle to make a case fo him really. We need to come up wit( a better strategy but I don’t think we have the right people to implement one at the club.

As for where we go from here, all of the noises suggest the club want to keep Allardyce and many fans and journalists covering the club seem to agree that’s a great move. The fact he has 4 wins in 23 games doesn’t seem to be hurting his reputation, neither does the fact that if we don’t beat Liverpool next time out, his win percentage POST the January transfer window (so with the likes of Yokuslu, AMN, Diagne in the side) will still see him drop below Alan Irvine’s 22%.

I would prefer we look at a more attacking manager, ideally somebody from Germany who for me are currently producing the best club managers but I’m not sure if work permit rules will allow it. I fully expect Allardyce will be here so he can test my theory further that managers who keep clubs in a division aren’t necessarily the best ones to get them out.


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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: So Happy
« on: May 09, 2021, 09:26:33 PM »
My only worry for next season is that if Sam stays we can kiss goodbye to Grady as he simply does not fancy him.

And Grant. And Sawyers.

I’m personally not that happy. I understand the sentiment, but the 90’s weren’t much fun, the championship is only fun for the years you have money to challenge at the top. Derby, Forest, Sheff Wednesday, Blackburn, Middlesbrough and Preston fans all desperately want to be back because being mid table sides who occasionally challenge the play offs is no better than being a premier league struggler. The only difference is that you don’t see players of Pereira’s quality playing for you.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: May 09, 2021, 09:22:02 PM »
People are really starting to pay attention to Pereira with a number of people touting him as an upgrade for clubs as big as Arsenal. There was a lot of talk about his fee a month ago and while none of us can really be sure what’s going to happen with transfer fees this summer, it is starting to feel like we could genuinely command top dollar for Pereira. With 3 games to go he has 10 goals and a decent number of assists. That’s a great debut season and if Norwich can ask for more than £25m for Buendia, maybe we should too.

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Last Match Forum - 09/05 Arsenal (A) / Re: After Match Debate
« on: May 09, 2021, 09:13:59 PM »
We have a chance now to start planning for next season. Three games to reintegrate players who will be here next season, maybe try a youngster or two and possibly enjoy the last of Pereira.

I’m glad we held out to avoid being relegated by Villa or Wolves, but that’s the only positive ai can think of.

It’s been an awful season where we have never looked like staying up, we never gave ourselves a chance with a really poor summer, so we just have to hope we learn the lessons.


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Last Match Forum - 09/05 Arsenal (A) / Re: In Game Chat
« on: May 09, 2021, 08:26:47 PM »
He is an extraordinary player. He took a while to get going but now he is showing the division just how good he is.

So glad I got to see him in the stripes. He's a premier league standard player.

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Last Match Forum - 09/05 Arsenal (A) / Re: In Game Chat
« on: May 09, 2021, 08:17:46 PM »
Good to see Allardyce planning for next season with HRK

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Last Match Forum - 09/05 Arsenal (A) / Re: In Game Chat
« on: May 09, 2021, 08:02:03 PM »
Both goals have felt very casual. Pepe's finish was great but he was allowed to amble into the box and pick his spot. Their first was the worst for me though, it felt so basic, all very lethargic and obvious.

The best defensive sides defend with a full team press nowadays, not just leave it to the defenders. Townsend and Furlong (well, Bartley and Ajayi too) were awful for the goals  but the midfield have a job to do.

Taking the relegation with a bit of a whimper tonight vs the worst Arsenal team in my lifetime.

3 games left to avoid a very flat relegation with zero momentum to take into next season. If Allardyce has any intentions of being here next season, surely now is the time to experiment with or start to reintegrate Diangana and Grant.

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