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They will probably go on general sale tomorrow  ;D

Or given to NHS workers, as though they haven’t been through enough....

i've had an email saying i've been successful.

only problem is i didn't apply

Could it be something to do with your forum name? 😂

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: May 12, 2021, 10:18:14 AM »
Ismail's football is like Bielsa on speed.   Very exciting but if it took too long to adapt to the change of style then early points dropped could be very costly.

Of younger English managers maybe Mark Robins should get a mention.  Has done a really job at Coventry

Sounds good but we would need a new team to play that way, and I dont see that happening anytime soon.....

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: May 12, 2021, 08:21:42 AM »
The thread title got my hopes up for a second!

Had the opposite effect for me oddly enough....

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: May 11, 2021, 11:17:43 PM »
What a depressing list of names.

Sam all day for me

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Which is better?
« on: May 10, 2021, 12:39:03 PM »
Small wonder we're ridiculed by the likes of Vile and the d1ngle5. I'll leave it there.

Presumably you guys find this cathartic, I think it's utter ********, and an embarrassment to the history and foundations of our great club...

Nothing carthartic about it Jacko, we used to be a proud club with great history, now we are a small time club with a small time mentality owned by someone who doesn’t understand the game. To say I am cross is an understatement. Of course I wanted us to stay up, but I wanted to see a plan or indication that we had ambition, but I doubt we had one.
If it takes a relegation to flush out the blockage in the U bend then so be it but I certainly did not want another season of being the total laughing stock of the Premier league

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Which is better?
« on: May 10, 2021, 12:09:18 PM »
Agree with you seteefeet, it was no fun at all was it? Painful to watch men against boys.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: May 10, 2021, 10:24:24 AM »
If you decided to sell your house today and you thought it was worth £300K, you're not going to advertise it for £200K.

You didn't answer my question on why you thought Zaha was better right now?  You also don't seem to be up to date with world football.

To put it into context we bought Ollie Burke for £15m, so you're going to sell Pereira for £30m?

Pereira is worth £50m less than Harry Maguire / £65m less than Paul Pogba?  Really?

You can value your house for whatever you like, it is only worth what someone is prepared to pay, unless you are fortunate enough to have a Chinese landscape gardener lose his way and drive down your street.......

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: May 10, 2021, 10:11:54 AM »
If we keep Pereira, then we win the Championship, simple.

If we demand the huge fee for Pereira that we deserve £70m+) then surely we have the tools to buy 3 or 4 that are going to be stars in that division.

After Pereira the next biggest conundrum is if Johnstone stays or not and can we command £15m+?

Next biggest fagtor is Diangana, he is too good for the Championship and will be excellent asset.

The rest, I honestly feel we could discard as many as 12 permanent players and not really feel their loss to.any great extent.

I'm summary, whoever is WBA boss they still have a significant advantage over almost every other Championship club.

We would be amazingly lucky to get half of that for MP. Personally I predict that the vile will get a fortune for greasy jack and then will offer £15 to £20m for him, and we of course will roll over and have our tummies tickled, much to the amusement of the six fingered knuckle draggers from B6.

If BS stays, then we must keep the likes of MP and build the team around him. From that perspective, having Grady at the club is a good thing.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: West Bromwich Albion (R)
« on: May 10, 2021, 09:30:07 AM »
Conveniently forgetting that he made us worse before we saw any improvement. The points tally since he arrived would not have kept us up, he failed in his stated task, alienated some players who we will need next season and played some bizarre tactics in games he himself pronounced as ‘must win’. He is not totally to blame, but is certainly not blameless.

Nothing convenient about it Cali. When he arrived he obviously thought the players were OK. It took several games and numerous formation/team changes for him to realise that on the whole we were total rubbish, and that some keys areas [Livermore/Sawyers] were woefully bad. Once the window was open his task was to redress the balance with little more than a jar of buttons - a task he did pretty well in my opinion.
The fact that we got worse is likely down to BS asking players to play to  a different style, something they found difficult to adjust to because they are not that good in the first place.
Lets face it, we have had a car crash of a season, and until the circus that owns us are gone, this is going to continue for the forseeable, regardless who is in the hot seats.
The high price paid by Lai [set by the previous chap] means that we are virtually unbuyable - Lai will have to stomach a loss of something like 50% if he wanted to sell, and I cannot see him doing that. Likewise, we will need some reasonable investment if we are going to get back up next season, and I cannot see him doing that either.
I have to laugh at times when posters come on saying 'we need to get rid and replace, we need to buy a striker, or DM, or anyone else.... with what????

According to the athletic today, Yokuslu wouldn’t rule out staying in the 2nd tier with us as he’s settled in the area - but the club aren’t hopeful due to likelihood of interest elsewhere in the prem

Perhaps when the restrictions are lifted and he samples the West Bromwich nightlife he might change his mind ;D.

However, if there is any chance we can keep this guy then we must pull out all the stops to get him. One of the very few positives to come out of a dismal season.

Isn't it sad though that it takes a loanee to take the initiative, and it did not come from our high wage earners from within.

Well done AMN - the quicker this 'gravy train' is dealt with, the better.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: West Bromwich Albion (R)
« on: May 09, 2021, 10:44:55 PM »
You can quote lack of investment but we had the best part of £30 million sitting on the bench the last few months.

Whatever money we had in the summer we spunked up the wall.

You could say we invested wisely for next season Liam😁

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: May 08, 2021, 01:21:49 PM »
He was asked a question and gave an honest answer.

I remember both Megson and Mowbray saying similar about Koumas in the fact they struggled to understand what was going through his mind.

From memory Koumas struggled to understand what was going through his mind.

Cannot see anything wrong the answer Sam gave to be honest. Pereira is a special talent so it may be that he is considering his options and who can blame him.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Player of the season 2020/2021
« on: May 05, 2021, 02:18:39 PM »
No he hasn't, and even when he wasn't at his most effective he was still contributing.

He still wins it by a mile for me Dan, but he has gone missing a few times. Probably playing him out of position hasn't helped but I have posted in the past that he has often been greedy on the ball when the easiest thing to do was to pass it to a player in a better position. A whole host of contributing factors but the main thing is that the real Pereira is now back in the team.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Player of the season 2020/2021
« on: May 05, 2021, 12:40:45 PM »
Periera (ruled SJ out, due to his first part of season), agree there are no other contenders sadly

To be fair Pereira has only woken up recently.......

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: May 05, 2021, 08:24:58 AM »
I believe I have explained why I think the costs are likely to be higher with SA.

Undoubtedly, there will be players that clubs will want to unload, & they might be willing to sell without a transfer fee, but players will demand that contracts are fulfilled, which means that even player loans & wages would be expensive.

Just to give the argument a benchmark, a squad of 26 players on an average £20,000 a week would give an annual wages bill of £26 million.

We have a 26 man squad & I believe we have 6 players who will be out of contract this June 30th. Our wage bill last season was around £59 million (2019 £42 million) so there might be opportunities to replace those 6 with less expensive versions, but it's unlikely if we're focusing on experienced EPL players.

There is also the small matter of Diangana & Grant sitting on our books with an asset value of around £33 million, who are not being used. As things stand, I couldn't see us getting anywhere near that sum if we moved them on, so a write off just isn't an option.

We showed an operating loss last year of £23 million (when we had gate receipts up to March). This season we will have had zero gate receipts & it's likely that most of the media money from promotion was spent on wages, so I'm expecting another loss this year.
I believe that parachute payments next season will also be reduced due to additional "claw backs" from media companies, so I'm not sure have much income we're going to have.

Really don't think we're going to have the available income to give SA the assurances he will demand.

If he takes the job on that basis, he's going to have to be more pragmatic, than he's been up to now.

Thanks John, I missed your earlier post.

You make some relevant points. In short, money is tight but I think that applies to the majority of clubs in the league. I also think that Diangana and Grant will be fully utilised next season as well, so if we can get a tune out of them hopefully they will attract the type of fee we laid out for them. Both proven in the championship but not so in the Premier.

We will have to wait and see if Sam fancies the challenge but I remain unconvinced that it will be any more expensive than under anyone else.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: May 05, 2021, 06:51:09 AM »
I keep seeing posters referring to us being unable to defend and therefore our set up wrong.

Our best premier league form has always been when we have been pragmatic, hard to beat and clinical when needed. The assumption from some is that we need to go full throttle attack which will clearly open up the team and actually make us more vulnerable to defeats.

If you review our form from match day 23 which was a defeat against Spurs then our record is the following:

14 points from 12 games, 12th in the league. In that time we’ve scored 13 goals and conceded 13. Worth noting that those period of fixtures included Chelsea, man United, Leicester and Tottenham whereby we conceded 8 of those 13 goals.

Our defensive record in that time are joint 5th for the best in the division. Throughout that period only 9 teams have scored more goals than us and those teams are the top 7.

This side is hard to beat, it is competitive and with a distinctly average bunch of players is showing the hallmarks of a good side in this division.

This notion that we’re not any good at defending and that it does not suit us is simply untrue. They are demonstrating that they are capable of defending in this division. Furthermore, some of our forward play has been easy on the eye and had we been more clinical in some games then our points tally would be greater.

I’ve used the benchmark of week 23 as that is when SA had the full quota of loan signings to choose from. I accept that it has taken to long to get here, but for a side which were whipping boys before Christmas, then I am pleased to finally see this bunch of players showing some resolve in this division.

A common sense post at last.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: May 04, 2021, 07:42:33 PM »
Nobody forced him to take the job. I'm sure hes getting paid very generously and would have got a huge bonus if he achieved what was expected of him. I don't blame the board for taking the punt on him but it hasn't worked. I think Sam would probably get us promoted but at what cost? He will want it all his own way and I don't think that's a good idea. Not many clubs and their supporters look back fondly on him despite never really failing anywhere else

There is going to be a cost in getting promoted regardless of who is in charge, not sure why some are suggesting it will be worse with Sam. Sure, he had failed in keeping us up but I have been encouraged by some of the players he has brought in (or Dowling, or the groundsman - wouldn’t want to give him too much credit) so I would like to see him have a go. Not really bothered about what other clubs think of him, they need to remember he avoided relegation for them and improved their teams.
Personally I want him to take full control of the team, it is pretty obvious that there is no else there with a scooby

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: May 04, 2021, 06:16:15 PM »
It is a cop out. The players may not be up to it, but we had the lowest budget in the division. We hired Allardyce as he was seen as a safe pair of hands, to hopefully make us more solid and get more from the players that Bilic couldn't. There was logic in the appointment but he failed on both counts up until the point where it was too late. Why are people so defensive over him? He's done some good things and made plenty of mistakes also. We could do worse than Allardyce but why can't we strive to do better? I don't buy that nobody could have possibly done a better job than him. He set us up to not lose in must win games, he broke the PL record for goals conceded in the first 10 games for a new manager. He lucked out in the Chelsea game and was practically forced to bring Robinson on, I doubt we'd have seen him otherwise. He's ignored players we will be relying on next season. For some reason he's getting all of the credit for our January signings despite them apparently being on a list of targets in the summer. 4 wins in 22 yet he's apparently our only hope.

He's not totally to blame but that doesn't make him blameless either. I don't have a personal agenda against Allardyce, just judging him on what he's achieved, which IMO is not a lot really.

The definition of 'cop out' is avoid doing something that one ought to do

Sam certainly did not cop out. He tried and failed. Is it his fault?, well yes partly, he set the team up and they were his tactics. However, we need to look deeper and he had nothing to do with what happened here before his appointment, he had nothing to do with the championship quality players he inherited, and he was not given any money to strengthen the side the way he would have liked.

You need to look no further than the circus running our club if you really want to blame someone, they are the real culprits,  Sam is just this seasons huckleberry. It will be someone else soon.........   

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: May 04, 2021, 03:19:41 PM »
Saying the players aren't good enough regardless of the manager and nobody would have kept us up is a cop out. Worse teams than us have survived before. I would rather he didn't stay, but I can see the value in keeping him. He has improved us, albeit too late and it would perhaps be silly to undo that at this point. I do find it a bit odd how much praise he's getting for the below average job he has done though.

Its not a cop out at all, when you consider the facts [virtually the same team as last year, no real investment] it is fairly evident. We fell apart well over a year ago, and long before BS arrived. He has improved the team with virtually no money which I think is pretty good to be honest. I would like to see him have a real stab at getting us back up next year, but I hope that if he does stay then the board back him.

Playing devils advocate, what do we think we would be doing had we survived in this god forsaken league on goal difference? Another year looking for bargain basement players? Another year of looking forward to the one spectacular result [Chelsea] and wondering where our other four wins will be coming from?, another year of zero investment and no interest from our owner?

I seriously worry about where we are going at the moment. I hope there is a plan.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: May 04, 2021, 03:11:00 PM »
By that logic lets bring in Guardiola now and expect him to keep us up.

It's just nonsense. Nobody with our squad would have kept us up when Allardyce was appointed, nobody.

Spot on Atomic, our fate was sealed way before Sam came on board.

Had we have appointed someone else and witnessed their 'crash and burn'  we would be saying 'at least Sam would have kept us up'which tells you how bad we were, and if he could not do it with the resources available I am happy that it was a virtually impossible task.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: May 04, 2021, 09:05:40 AM »
I fully concur with your last sentence.

Hope BS gets the gig for next season.

Will the wolves ever learn?

Too much chat about how great they are, how they were going to hammer us, send us down (by contributing 15% of our total points).

All those European nights, and recent "success" and they're fuming again, trying to console themselves by crowing about our relegation (as if we hadn't accepted it in October) only makes it funnier.

Pity we could not have taken all 6 points off them, would have been a highlight and sore point for them in years to come, but as you say we were realistic and accepted our fate in October. They really do need to look at the direction their own club is going and not worry about us, we will meet again 😉

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Long Term Plan
« on: May 03, 2021, 03:05:03 PM »
Opened this thread hoping the club had published one😂

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