Author Topic: Valérien Ismaël leaves WBA  (Read 463977 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

baggie82

  • Senior Baggie

  • Offline
  • *****

  • 4122
Re: Valérien Ismaël - Head Coach
« Reply #1025 on: October 20, 2021, 09:42:58 PM »
Just please leave

That didn’t take long, two defeats, third in the league.

Sack the manager! Obvious course of action to take.

Never mind top quality like Pereira was given away in the summer.

GREGMT

  • Reserve Baggie

  • Offline
  • ****

  • 1231
Re: Valérien Ismaël - Head Coach
« Reply #1026 on: October 20, 2021, 09:43:14 PM »
We just received £17m for a player we should've got £60m for.  I think the top 2 has gone, certainly if we lose at Fulham. We need to get Diangana back.


frazzle

  • Reserve Baggie

  • Offline
  • ****

  • 2033
Re: Valérien Ismaël - Head Coach
« Reply #1027 on: October 20, 2021, 09:45:40 PM »
That didn’t take long, two defeats, third in the league.

Sack the manager! Obvious course of action to take.

Never mind top quality like Pereira was given away in the summer.

It’s the tactics though. No chance Pereira would have got a game in this system.

Val is not the future. He’s the past.

lewisant

  • Global Moderator
  • WBA Coach

  • Offline
  • *****

  • 6971
Re: Valérien Ismaël - Head Coach
« Reply #1028 on: October 20, 2021, 09:46:42 PM »
We just received £17m for a player we should've got £60m for.  I think the top 2 has gone, certainly if we lose at Fulham. We need to get Diangana back.

Long way to go. We've had good and bad games. More bad moments than bad games in my humble.

Val isn't Corberan but I'm certainly not even remotley close to writing him off.
Dexy : LiamTheBaggie : MarkW : OldburyWBA
Adder : Hull Baggie : lewisant : Political Cake : tommcneill

LiamTheBaggie

  • Administrator
  • WBA Manager

  • Offline
  • *****
  • @westbromcom

  • 15005
Re: Valérien Ismaël - Head Coach
« Reply #1029 on: October 20, 2021, 09:48:39 PM »
Pulis never churned out anything that bad.

It’s **** poor.

With a bit of luck Barnsley might be looking for a new manager soon…
Dexy : LiamTheBaggie : MarkW : OldburyWBA
Adder : Hull Baggie : lewisant : Political Cake : tommcneill

Follow WestBrom.com on twitter - https://twitter.com/WestBromcom

boingboing1989

  • Reserve Baggie

  • Offline
  • ****

  • 1064
Re: Valérien Ismaël - Head Coach
« Reply #1030 on: October 20, 2021, 09:52:30 PM »
Lost me tonight, stubborn, unwilling to change. Dreadful, dreadful football. Squad being absolutely dreadful doesn't help but not looking like getting better.

Dexy

  • Administrator
  • WBA Manager

  • Offline
  • *****

  • 11335
Re: Valérien Ismaël - Head Coach
« Reply #1031 on: October 20, 2021, 09:52:51 PM »
That didn’t take long, two defeats, third in the league.

Sack the manager! Obvious course of action to take.

Never mind top quality like Pereira was given away in the summer.
Missing the obvious , we have 4 or 5 players much better than lumping it forward to nobody . I could stomach going longer to the front three if they looked suited to it but they don't , taking Robinson off when he is our most complete attacker says it all .
Dexy : LiamTheBaggie : MarkW : OldburyWBA
Adder : Hull Baggie : lewisant : Political Cake : tommcneill

Bobby Taylor- Still Super to me.

LiamTheBaggie

  • Administrator
  • WBA Manager

  • Offline
  • *****
  • @westbromcom

  • 15005
Re: Valérien Ismaël - Head Coach
« Reply #1032 on: October 20, 2021, 09:59:37 PM »
And let us not make out that we’re playing this horrendous style of football because of our budget.

This squad are much better than this current brand of mind-numbing ***** that we’re playing.

This is 100% on the head coach.

Swansea tonight are a great example of a side on a limited budget and they were miles better than us tonight. Miles better in style, application and a damn sight easier on the eye.

Most of the division would give an arm and a leg for our players - yet we set them out like that..
Dexy : LiamTheBaggie : MarkW : OldburyWBA
Adder : Hull Baggie : lewisant : Political Cake : tommcneill

Follow WestBrom.com on twitter - https://twitter.com/WestBromcom

frazzle

  • Reserve Baggie

  • Offline
  • ****

  • 2033
Re: Valérien Ismaël - Head Coach
« Reply #1033 on: October 20, 2021, 10:02:30 PM »
And let us not make out that we’re playing this horrendous style of football because of our budget.

This squad are much better than this current brand of mind-numbing ***** that we’re playing.

This is 100% on the head coach.

Swansea tonight are a great example of a side on a limited budget and they were miles better than us tonight. Miles better in style, application and a damn sight easier on the eye.

Most of the division would give an arm and a leg for our players - yet we set them out like that..

Word for word in agreement.

caravanc58

  • Site Donator
  • Senior Baggie

  • Offline
  • *****

  • 3918
Re: Valérien Ismaël - Head Coach
« Reply #1034 on: October 20, 2021, 10:02:38 PM »
Wasn't just poor tonight we've been poor for a while, not just the manager but also most of this team need a kick up the backside.
Apart from Phillips and Livermore the rest was absolutely garbage.
This so called press has disappeared, we create virtually nothing down the flanks and can we put an end to Furlongs long throws because they're a waste of time.

mini gaardsoe

  • Youth Baggie

  • Offline
  • ***

  • 546
Re: Valérien Ismaël - Head Coach
« Reply #1035 on: October 20, 2021, 10:02:44 PM »
No chance this guy will last even half of his contract. Another awful appointment.

Dexy

  • Administrator
  • WBA Manager

  • Offline
  • *****

  • 11335
Re: Valérien Ismaël - Head Coach
« Reply #1036 on: October 20, 2021, 10:03:45 PM »
And let us not make out that we’re playing this horrendous style of football because of our budget.

This squad are much better than this current brand of mind-numbing ***** that we’re playing.

This is 100% on the head coach.

Swansea tonight are a great example of a side on a limited budget and they were miles better than us tonight. Miles better in style, application and a damn sight easier on the eye.

Most of the division would give an arm and a leg for our players - yet we set them out like that..
Nail on the head , he won't see January at this rate.
Points over performances won't wash at this level.
Dexy : LiamTheBaggie : MarkW : OldburyWBA
Adder : Hull Baggie : lewisant : Political Cake : tommcneill

Bobby Taylor- Still Super to me.

aboing

  • WBA Newbie

  • Offline

  • 22
Re: Valérien Ismaël - Head Coach
« Reply #1037 on: October 20, 2021, 10:05:36 PM »
we got the team/squad - we got no coach/tactics - get rid asap

GREGMT

  • Reserve Baggie

  • Offline
  • ****

  • 1231
Re: Valérien Ismaël - Head Coach
« Reply #1038 on: October 20, 2021, 10:05:46 PM »
And let us not make out that we’re playing this horrendous style of football because of our budget.

This squad are much better than this current brand of mind-numbing ***** that we’re playing.

This is 100% on the head coach.

Swansea tonight are a great example of a side on a limited budget and they were miles better than us tonight. Miles better in style, application and a damn sight easier on the eye.

Most of the division would give an arm and a leg for our players - yet we set them out like that..

Are you sure?  Mowatt looked like a massive miss tonight. TBH Moumby and Livermore struggled big time and we were out manouvered by their midfield.  We looked tired the longer it went and they cashed in.

Plenty of moments for the midfield to show their quality on the ball, and they failed the test. 

LiamTheBaggie

  • Administrator
  • WBA Manager

  • Offline
  • *****
  • @westbromcom

  • 15005
Re: Valérien Ismaël - Head Coach
« Reply #1039 on: October 20, 2021, 10:07:04 PM »
Nail on the head , he won't see January at this rate.
Points over performances won't wash at this level.

And some of the fans defending this garbage are the ones who criticised Allardyce (in a better division) and Wilder in the summer for their styles.

This is worse.
Dexy : LiamTheBaggie : MarkW : OldburyWBA
Adder : Hull Baggie : lewisant : Political Cake : tommcneill

Follow WestBrom.com on twitter - https://twitter.com/WestBromcom

baggie82

  • Senior Baggie

  • Offline
  • *****

  • 4122
Re: Valérien Ismaël - Head Coach
« Reply #1040 on: October 20, 2021, 10:09:46 PM »
We just received £17m for a player we should've got £60m for.  I think the top 2 has gone, certainly if we lose at Fulham. We need to get Diangana back.

Top two was unrealistic as soon as we sold Periera, he is the sort of quality you need to get out of this league automatically; you need a bit of star-dust to stand out from the pack. Fulham have a much stronger squad than us and that will really start to show over the Xmas period when the fixtures stack-up. Bournemouth less so but they are winning for fun.

baggie82

  • Senior Baggie

  • Offline
  • *****

  • 4122
Re: Valérien Ismaël - Head Coach
« Reply #1041 on: October 20, 2021, 10:10:54 PM »
It’s the tactics though. No chance Pereira would have got a game in this system.

Val is not the future. He’s the past.

What nonsense, Periera would obviously have walked into this side in any system, and played in one of the wide front three roles; in place of Phillips.


GREGMT

  • Reserve Baggie

  • Offline
  • ****

  • 1231
Re: Valérien Ismaël - Head Coach
« Reply #1042 on: October 20, 2021, 10:12:03 PM »
And some of the fans defending this garbage are the ones who criticised Allardyce (in a better division) and Wilder in the summer for their styles.

This is worse.

2 of our best players were missing in Mowatt and Diangana.  That would've made a difference.

You know my thoughts on Livermore, many people still think he has quality at this level, in the big picture I think he looks bang average in this division.

The one thing I'm urging the Manager to do is ditch Hugill because he will never be the answer.  In short we don't have the tools to play like Barcelona at this level anymore.  That ship sailed when we gave away Pereira.

Bilic'a top 2 achievement / 83pts is looking more rosy with every game. 

Aztech

  • Senior Baggie

  • Offline
  • *****

  • 4133
Re: Valérien Ismaël - Head Coach
« Reply #1043 on: October 20, 2021, 10:12:07 PM »
And some of the fans defending this garbage are the ones who criticised Allardyce (in a better division) and Wilder in the summer for their styles.

This is worse.

I said when Bilic was sacked and Allardyce appointed the club had taken a massive backwards step. The club is rotten at the core.

We can only hope that we somehow achieve promotion this year and end up with new owners.
It is not the taking part, but the winning that counts.

LiamTheBaggie

  • Administrator
  • WBA Manager

  • Offline
  • *****
  • @westbromcom

  • 15005
Re: Valérien Ismaël - Head Coach
« Reply #1044 on: October 20, 2021, 10:13:21 PM »
Are you sure?  Mowatt looked like a massive miss tonight. TBH Moumby and Livermore struggled big time and we were out manouvered by their midfield.  We looked tired the longer it went and they cashed in.

Plenty of moments for the midfield to show their quality on the ball, and they failed the test.

We were out manouvered in midfield because this head coach fails to react to what happens on the pitch.

He’s quite happy to watch Molumby and Livermore get over run and stand there with his pre planned changes.

Tiredness? Swansea played a game on Sunday - we had two days extra rest. If this lot are tired then the head coach needs to review what he did in the summer.

We weren’t tired. We were just over run. And the gaffer just watches it happen.
Dexy : LiamTheBaggie : MarkW : OldburyWBA
Adder : Hull Baggie : lewisant : Political Cake : tommcneill

Follow WestBrom.com on twitter - https://twitter.com/WestBromcom

Dexy

  • Administrator
  • WBA Manager

  • Offline
  • *****

  • 11335
Re: Valérien Ismaël - Head Coach
« Reply #1045 on: October 20, 2021, 10:15:09 PM »
Top two was unrealistic as soon as we sold Periera, he is the sort of quality you need to get out of this league automatically; you need a bit of star-dust to stand out from the pack. Fulham have a much stronger squad than us and that will really start to show over the Xmas period when the fixtures stack-up. Bournemouth less so but they are winning for fun.
Pereira for all his ability would have struggled with bingo ball and constant lumping from the back , star dust doesnt get used in tactics like this .
Robinson is our most dangerous attacker yet struggles with tactics ,  lesser MP if you like . Its drone football that sucks any joy out of it .
Dexy : LiamTheBaggie : MarkW : OldburyWBA
Adder : Hull Baggie : lewisant : Political Cake : tommcneill

Bobby Taylor- Still Super to me.

LiamTheBaggie

  • Administrator
  • WBA Manager

  • Offline
  • *****
  • @westbromcom

  • 15005
Re: Valérien Ismaël - Head Coach
« Reply #1046 on: October 20, 2021, 10:15:32 PM »
What nonsense, Periera would obviously have walked into this side in any system, and played in one of the wide front three roles; in place of Phillips.

Can you respond to the posts without declaring them as nonsense please?

Not sure how many times it needs to be said.
Dexy : LiamTheBaggie : MarkW : OldburyWBA
Adder : Hull Baggie : lewisant : Political Cake : tommcneill

Follow WestBrom.com on twitter - https://twitter.com/WestBromcom

baggie82

  • Senior Baggie

  • Offline
  • *****

  • 4122
Re: Valérien Ismaël - Head Coach
« Reply #1047 on: October 20, 2021, 10:16:01 PM »
And some of the fans defending this garbage are the ones who criticised Allardyce (in a better division) and Wilder in the summer for their styles. This is worse.

There is a world of difference between being annoyed with the performance and result on the one hand and comically calling for the manager to be sacked on the other. I know we were garbage tonight, it's clear to me that the limitations of this team are starting to show; as soon as a little bit of quality like Mowatt and Grady are out we look what we are, ordinary.

Nobody can say with any logic that the team has underperformed so far, if anything they have done well to get to 25 points in the first 13 games.  Sacking the manager would be futile; and a repeat of what we keep doing over the last two years, underspending, over-expecting and then sacking managers. Amazes me that more of the fan base haven't cottoned on yet. If the board were serious about promotion they would have kept Pereira. That simple really.

baggie82

  • Senior Baggie

  • Offline
  • *****

  • 4122
Re: Valérien Ismaël - Head Coach
« Reply #1048 on: October 20, 2021, 10:18:16 PM »
I said when Bilic was sacked and Allardyce appointed the club had taken a massive backwards step. The club is rotten at the core.

We can only hope that we somehow achieve promotion this year and end up with new owners.

Fully agree. It's even more of a circus act now as the squad is even weaker than the one that had no chance of top flight survival last season.

Dorrans17

  • Senior Baggie

  • Offline
  • *****

  • 3520
Re: Valérien Ismaël - Head Coach
« Reply #1049 on: October 20, 2021, 10:18:50 PM »
Absolutly shocking,

Start of the season, people were dubbing him 'you score 3, we score 4' type of manager. For whatever reason its just not clicking. We needed to go out that second half and control the game, a third centre midfielder would have contributed massively to us seeing out the game. This needs to be something he looks at over the next few games.

Hes very stubborn in changing his game plan and that really scares me.
Baggie