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Will you be taking up your option of receiving the Covid vaccine.

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« Reply #50 on: March 04, 2020, 03:49:20 PM »
its when folk start keeling over is when i will raise an eyebrow. 85 confirmed cases today
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« Reply #51 on: March 04, 2020, 05:52:52 PM »
I’ll admit it, I’m a Covid-19 denier, I don’t consider it to be anymore lethal than flu  8)

Does anyone know the stats for influenza over the same period?
Might be interesting

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« Reply #52 on: March 04, 2020, 06:48:52 PM »
Does anyone know the stats for influenza over the same period?
Might be interesting

Although this is from 2018, I think, at this time, it makes the point.

You could also try googling to view the latest figures
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« Reply #53 on: March 04, 2020, 09:02:31 PM »
Additionally, Seasonal flu kills 291,000 to 646,000 people worldwide each year.

COVID-19 has claimed around 3,200 deaths so far worldwide.

Also:  https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year
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« Reply #54 on: March 05, 2020, 06:57:47 AM »
Additionally, Seasonal flu kills 291,000 to 646,000 people worldwide each year.

COVID-19 has claimed around 3,200 deaths so far worldwide.

Also:  https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year

There must be more to this virus than they are letting on.
The don't usually get so panicy about normal flu, shutting schools talk of cities in lock down is unheard of in my lifetime.
Might be just another way of governments controlling the masses, who knows?
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« Reply #55 on: March 05, 2020, 07:47:36 AM »
some stats,fatailty rate 0.01% for flu nearly 4% for coronavirus. it ay just a flu
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« Reply #56 on: March 05, 2020, 08:02:42 AM »
What Devon said, the fatality rate is a lot higher and it appears to spread just as easily.  That's why it is much more serious.  Would you rather catch a virus with a 0.01% chance of killing you or a 3.5% chance?  It is a big difference.

Where I disagree with the media is the framing of it being panic mode.  The vast majority of the deaths are in the elderly or those with respiratory issues.  Odds are, if you're fit and healthy, you'd most likely survive.

Further issues could arise as it's not clear how much medical treatment is needed if you do catch it.  So even though you could be fit and healthy and a good candidate to survive if you get the right treatment.  There's a risk you may not due to NHS services being overwhelmed.

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« Reply #57 on: March 05, 2020, 08:24:05 AM »
What Devon said, the fatality rate is a lot higher and it appears to spread just as easily.  That's why it is much more serious.  Would you rather catch a virus with a 0.01% chance of killing you or a 3.5% chance?  It is a big difference.

Where I disagree with the media is the framing of it being panic mode.  The vast majority of the deaths are in the elderly or those with respiratory issues.  Odds are, if you're fit and healthy, you'd most likely survive.

Further issues could arise as it's not clear how much medical treatment is needed if you do catch it.  So even though you could be fit and healthy and a good candidate to survive if you get the right treatment.  There's a risk you may not due to NHS services being overwhelmed.

Remember that's 3.5% fatality rate while the hospitals are not overwhelmed. I'm currently on the train, peak time service never seen it this quite outside of holiday time...
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« Reply #58 on: March 05, 2020, 08:34:43 AM »
It's not just the percentage of fatalities it's rate of infection.  The covid-19 virus is highly contagious/ easy to transfer between people.  Thus it has the potential to cause a lot of deaths.  In the early stages of infection it has no symptoms but can infect other people.  Some people hardly suffer any symptoms and so unknowingly infect others: I think these cases are the so-called super-spreaders.
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« Reply #59 on: March 05, 2020, 02:37:47 PM »
And there's currently no vaccine.......

......I've also read there's unlikely to be one until next year.
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« Reply #60 on: March 05, 2020, 03:24:52 PM »
And the scare stories coming from the Daily Liar ( Mail )  >:(
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« Reply #61 on: March 05, 2020, 03:42:25 PM »
And there's currently no vaccine.......

......I've also read there's unlikely to be one until next year.

Really!. You think the multi- billionaire pharma companies have not got one?. Let the press spread mass hysteria and then boom the vaccine will come at a price

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« Reply #62 on: March 05, 2020, 05:11:25 PM »
Today's Latest Global Coronavirus Data:

Confirmed Cases: 96,953 Ambulance

Deaths: 3,310 Skull

Recovered: 53,982

Active Cases: 39,661

- Mild Cases: 33,239 (84%)
- Serious/Critical 6,422 (16%)

Covid-19 figures are reliant on information provided by individual governments.

"Patient with underlying health conditions becomes first person with Covid-19 to die in the UK, hospital says"

The NHS and Public Health organisations are extremely well prepared for outbreaks of new infectious diseases. The NHS has put in place measures to ensure the safety of all patients and NHS staff while also ensuring services are available to the public as normal. Please check the GOV.UK for the latest information.

Returning travellers

Stay indoors and avoid contact with other people immediately if you’ve travelled to the UK from:

Hubei province in China in the last 14 days, even if you do not have symptoms
Iran, lockdown areas in northern Italy or special care zones in South Korea since 19 February, even if you do not have symptoms
other parts of mainland China or South Korea, Hong Kong, Japan, Macau, Malaysia, Singapore, Taiwan or Thailand in the last 14 days and have a cough, high temperature or shortness of breath (even if your symptoms are mild)

other parts of northern Italy (anywhere north of Pisa, Florence and Rimini), Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar or Vietnam since 19 February and have a cough, high temperature or shortness of breath (even if your symptoms are mild)

Do not go to a GP surgery, community pharmacy or hospital. Use the 111 online coronavirus service to find out what to do next.

In Scotland call your GP or NHS 24 on 111 out of hours.

In Wales call 111 (if available in your area) or 0845 46 47.

In Northern Ireland call 111.

For region specific information and advice in:

England visit nhs.uk
Wales visit phw.nhs.wales
Scotland visit nhsinform.scot
Northern Ireland visit HSC - Public Health Agency
Find out more about what you should do if you’re asked to self-isolate.
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« Reply #63 on: March 05, 2020, 06:28:51 PM »
From what I've seen it only affects the lungs so we basically need to keep it out of our mouths and nose by religiously cleaning hands and not letting people with it sneeze or cough at our faces - sorted!

The rate of death vs cases is a lot by anyone's maths though - in Italy (comparable to us in terms of age population and health care, has a 3.5% death rate vs those who have had it (recorded so far). The Spanish flu in 1918 had a death rate of around 2% I think I saw  although then healthcare was way worse but people didn't travel and mix as much.

I suspect there's a lot of unrecorded mild cases though which may bring down the stats.

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« Reply #64 on: March 05, 2020, 06:39:16 PM »
Coronavirus - Age Data

Risk of dying by age group if infected.

80+ years old - 14.8%
70-79 years old - 8.0%
60-69 years old - 3.6%
50-59 years old - 1.3%
40-49 years old - 0.4%
30-39 years old - 0.2%
20-29 years old - 0.2%
10-19 years old - 0.2%
0-9 years old - no fatalities
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« Reply #65 on: March 05, 2020, 08:45:55 PM »
I am surprised that worried people aren't going around wearing latex gloves.
Not kinky Marigolds, though.

Unless you feel it is a way to be accepted as something normal.   :o

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« Reply #66 on: March 05, 2020, 09:12:44 PM »
I am surprised that worried people aren't going around wearing latex gloves.
Not kinky Marigolds, though.

Unless you feel it is a way to be accepted as something normal.   :o

Are you worried DB?

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« Reply #67 on: March 05, 2020, 09:31:52 PM »
I'm only going to take notice of what health professionals i.e. experts, advise.
Not what politicians say.
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« Reply #68 on: March 05, 2020, 09:48:19 PM »
I'm only going to take notice of what health professionals i.e. experts, advise.
Not what politicians say.

I think we have had enough of experts, blind panic and alternative facts are the only way forward.
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« Reply #69 on: March 05, 2020, 10:09:16 PM »
I am surprised that worried people aren't going around wearing latex gloves.
Not kinky Marigolds, though.

Unless you feel it is a way to be accepted as something normal.   :o

Gloves, whatever the type, are of little use, unless you constantly change them when you touch a surface or shake a hand etc. as the infection is passed on just the same as the bear hand, when you touch your nose, mouth, face.
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« Reply #70 on: March 05, 2020, 10:29:09 PM »
I think we have had enough of experts, blind panic and alternative facts are the only way forward.
I'd sooner listen to people who have studied the subject matter rather than politicians putting their own gloss on to suit their political agenda. I think we've seen enough of that in the last few years. 
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« Reply #71 on: March 05, 2020, 10:38:39 PM »
I see that a lot of supermarkets are selling out of toilet paper.
Do you get the thruppeny bits with this virus a swell?
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« Reply #72 on: March 06, 2020, 12:38:25 AM »
Really!. You think the multi- billionaire pharma companies have not got one?. Let the press spread mass hysteria and then boom the vaccine will come at a price

For sure, have a valid swipe at the powerful, but don't underestimate the time it takes to truly make sure something discovered in medicine is actually 'safe' for people and won't, for example, cause infertility, birth defects, intussusception etc etc :-X

For instance, during the 09/10 winter season (the H1N1 "Swine Flu" pandemic), a vaccine produced by GlaxoSmithKline in Brentford (Pandemrix, patented 2006, approved 2009) found itself under suspicion of causing narcolepsy after administration in some young people in Finland and Sweden...
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« Reply #73 on: March 06, 2020, 12:46:03 AM »
Really!. You think the multi- billionaire pharma companies have not got one?. Let the press spread mass hysteria and then boom the vaccine will come at a price

Yes, really.
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« Reply #74 on: March 06, 2020, 07:48:29 AM »
Are you worried DB?

I am of the "at greater risk" age group and have heart trouble (atrial fibrillation), but no, I am not really worried.
Just use common sense any way.
I wont be going on a cruise though.
They are full of.... newly weds and nearly deads.  ::)