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Re: Nathan Ferguson Joins Crystal Palace
« Reply #925 on: April 27, 2021, 07:02:00 PM »
Fair play Nathan, looks like you played a blinder getting a large premier league contract when it looks highly unlikely he’s not got the body for it.

Over 12 months of fairly unexplained injuries is very unusual and it’s frankly quite hard to see how he’s going to go on and get 200 appearances in football at any level, let alone at the top of the game.

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« Reply #926 on: April 27, 2021, 07:19:17 PM »
different Nathan Ferguson mate, ours is still injured.
Ah ok cheers you're right. I remember seeing the goal and wondering if that was our NF and they said something which made me think it was.
Anyway, surely we shouldn't have to wait for him to be fit for the tribunal to meet.

In fairness players can and do get on a run of injuries....we've had enough young players affected to realise this.
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« Reply #927 on: April 27, 2021, 10:28:31 PM »
Fair play Nathan, looks like you played a blinder getting a large premier league contract when it looks highly unlikely he’s not got the body for it.

Over 12 months of fairly unexplained injuries is very unusual and it’s frankly quite hard to see how he’s going to go on and get 200 appearances in football at any level, let alone at the top of the game.

Especially for someone so young. His development will have been completely stunted and you wonder what his mental state is like having not played for so long at such a young age.

I look at someone like Jonny Williams who was by all accounts very talented, but never got over the injuries he had as a youngster.

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« Reply #928 on: April 27, 2021, 11:31:30 PM »
Especially for someone so young. His development will have been completely stunted and you wonder what his mental state is like having not played for so long at such a young age.

I look at someone like Jonny Williams who was by all accounts very talented, but never got over the injuries he had as a youngster.

Williams was a very technical footballer but in the Sunderland documentary, you could see his mental strength was very damaged. I think it happened to Anichebe too. One big leg break at a young age and his career was full with small, but problematic injuries that may have been in his head.

It's still early days for Ferguson. With a good pre-season behind him he could be playing regular football next season (probably out on loan if so), but it could go the other way and he could have a very limited career.

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Re: Nathan Ferguson Joins Crystal Palace
« Reply #929 on: May 24, 2021, 08:15:50 AM »
I haven't got a membership so can't read the article, but David Ornstein is reporting that Ferguson has followed Eze in suffering an Achilles injury

https://theathletic.com/2607354/?source=twitteruk

Without reading the article I can't tell how serious but the comments on twitter suggest her has tore it, so probably out most of next season as well.

Not sure where that leaves us transfer fee wise, but I can't imagine we will be getting much for him now. Wouldn't be surprised if he retires young. 4 or 5 injuries in the space of 18 months.
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« Reply #930 on: May 24, 2021, 08:24:28 AM »
I haven't got a membership so can't read the article, but David Ornstein is reporting that Ferguson has followed Eze in suffering an Achilles injury

https://theathletic.com/2607354/?source=twitteruk

Without reading the article I can't tell how serious but the comments on twitter suggest her has tore it, so probably out most of next season as well.

Not sure where that leaves us transfer fee wise, but I can't imagine we will be getting much for him now. Wouldn't be surprised if he retires young. 4 or 5 injuries in the space of 18 months.

Didn’t it go to tribunal, correct me if I’m wrong but that fee would be settled on his potential when he was here not what he goes on to do?

On a player note, never nice to see someone suffer a serious injury, kid seems to have no luck. May be 18 months/2 years before he gets back to any sort of form.

Wish him well with his recovery.
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Re: Nathan Ferguson Joins Crystal Palace
« Reply #931 on: May 24, 2021, 08:44:15 AM »
I haven't got a membership so can't read the article, but David Ornstein is reporting that Ferguson has followed Eze in suffering an Achilles injury

https://theathletic.com/2607354/?source=twitteruk

Without reading the article I can't tell how serious but the comments on twitter suggest her has tore it, so probably out most of next season as well.

Not sure where that leaves us transfer fee wise, but I can't imagine we will be getting much for him now. Wouldn't be surprised if he retires young. 4 or 5 injuries in the space of 18 months.

Firstly, feel for the lad, that is really tough, secondly the tribunal fee should be TOTALLY unaffected by injuries sustained after he left here. "If the fee is in anyway affected the club should take this to court as its not "fair trading".

it does sometimes feel like we are on the receiving end of this sort of rubbish far too often, (Barca for example)
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Re: Nathan Ferguson Joins Crystal Palace
« Reply #932 on: May 24, 2021, 08:47:16 AM »
Didn’t it go to tribunal, correct me if I’m wrong but that fee would be settled on his potential when he was here not what he goes on to do?

On a player note, never nice to see someone suffer a serious injury, kid seems to have no luck. May be 18 months/2 years before he gets back to any sort of form.

Wish him well with his recovery.

According to Masi on the E&S podcast both clubs want to avoid a tribunal as they tend to leave both sides feeling unsatisfied. Apparently we may write off some of the fee in exchange for a player. e.g. last summer before signing Grady, we were in talks with them for Andros Townsend

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Re: Nathan Ferguson Joins Crystal Palace
« Reply #933 on: May 24, 2021, 08:48:01 AM »
I haven't got a membership so can't read the article, but David Ornstein is reporting that Ferguson has followed Eze in suffering an Achilles injury

https://theathletic.com/2607354/?source=twitteruk

Without reading the article I can't tell how serious but the comments on twitter suggest her has tore it, so probably out most of next season as well.

Not sure where that leaves us transfer fee wise, but I can't imagine we will be getting much for him now. Wouldn't be surprised if he retires young. 4 or 5 injuries in the space of 18 months.

Just read the article and it said not as serious as Ezes but looking at another 6 months out


Tribunal fees should be based on the time he signed not on what's gone on since surely.

Not accepting that slightly lower offer was another case of shooting ourselves in the foot regardless.

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Re: Nathan Ferguson Joins Crystal Palace
« Reply #934 on: May 24, 2021, 09:37:42 AM »
I haven't got a membership so can't read the article, but David Ornstein is reporting that Ferguson has followed Eze in suffering an Achilles injury

https://theathletic.com/2607354/?source=twitteruk

Without reading the article I can't tell how serious but the comments on twitter suggest her has tore it, so probably out most of next season as well.

Not sure where that leaves us transfer fee wise, but I can't imagine we will be getting much for him now. Wouldn't be surprised if he retires young. 4 or 5 injuries in the space of 18 months.

I didn't know this but in all honesty when I opened the thread I genuinely expected to read he'd retired due to injuries.
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Re: Nathan Ferguson Joins Crystal Palace
« Reply #935 on: May 24, 2021, 10:07:45 AM »
Read the article - not as bad as Eze's, and it's hoped that he will return before the end of 2021, but frustrating as he was maybe going to make the bench yesterday only to suffer another setback
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Re: Nathan Ferguson Joins Crystal Palace
« Reply #936 on: May 24, 2021, 10:31:06 AM »
Even then he'll have been out for 2 years at that point with numerous different injuries, difficult to imagine you could ever be the same player after that. Not too mention he must surely just be very injury prone in general, I believe he'd had a long term injury while in our academy also.

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Re: Nathan Ferguson Joins Crystal Palace
« Reply #937 on: May 24, 2021, 02:35:39 PM »
Surely it should have been sorted by now, either by negotiation or by the tribunal? Seems a ridiculous amount of time.

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« Reply #938 on: July 26, 2021, 04:11:08 PM »
Anyone have an update on where we are with this?
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Re: Nathan Ferguson Joins Crystal Palace
« Reply #939 on: July 26, 2021, 05:07:08 PM »
It was reported that the tribunal had been held but no result has been published yet, unless our local media have just missed the boat.
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Re: Nathan Ferguson Joins Crystal Palace
« Reply #940 on: July 28, 2021, 02:23:40 PM »
Just been on the Crystal Palace web site and Nathan is named in their squad and will wear the number 36 shirt.

I was a little confused when reading Palaces bio of Nathan (see below) when it said he joined them as a “free agent after his contract had expire”. Are we still expecting to receive a fee given their description of how he joined them?

Nathan Ferguson

One of the Championship's most highly rated defenders following his breakthrough season with West Bromwich Albion in 2019/20, Ferguson battled his way to fitness after signing for Palace in summer 2020.

Nathan Ferguson signed for Crystal Palace as the club's first arrival of the summer 2020 window, penning a contract until the end of the 2022/23 season.

Ferguson, then-19, joined as a free agent following his contract expiration at West Bromwich Albion, where he developed since the age of eight, rising through the Academy ranks.

Just a teenager, he had his breakthrough campaign in 2019/20, starting West Brom’s first game of the season in a 2-1 win over Nottingham Forest and grabbing an assist.

The following month, he netted his first and only senior Baggies goal in a 2-0 victory over Queens Park Rangers.

Ferguson continued to play regularly for West Brom until a knee injury curtailed his season after 21 appearances.

Before this, the young full-back rose through West Brom’s youth setup from the age of eight. He has also represented England at Under-18, U19 and U20 level - collecting one, three and four caps at the respective age groups.

Ferguson is happy to play across the backline, but, more specifically, he can operate in both full-back positions, where he is comfortable and assured.

He is right-footed but versatile on the pitch, with the passing vision to contribute to offensive passages - very much in the mould of the 'modern' full-back.
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« Reply #941 on: July 28, 2021, 02:29:58 PM »
The context of Free in free agent is that he could choose where he went without being tied to a club. It's not that his registration would be free in the financial sense.

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« Reply #942 on: July 28, 2021, 02:35:53 PM »
I may be ill informed here, but I thought, under Bowman Rules, when a players contract expired the club no longer held his registration.

I’m just hoping that because of his age when he left us, we can expect some compensation for his loss to the club that signed him.

This whole issue of young players running contracts down and clubs that have made a big investment in developing them needs reviewing.
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« Reply #943 on: July 28, 2021, 02:42:44 PM »
Due to his age while he can run down his contract and as long as we offer him terms the club he joins has to pay us a reasonable transfer fee, if the two clubs cannot reach agreement that fee is determined at tribunal.

So yes we will get a transfer fee.
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« Reply #944 on: July 28, 2021, 02:44:58 PM »
Due to his age while he can run down his contract and as long as we offer him terms the club he joins has to pay us a reasonable transfer fee, if the two clubs cannot reach agreement that fee is determined at tribunal.

So yes we will get a transfer fee.

Good clarification, I didnt realise that was the key factor, thank you.
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« Reply #945 on: August 30, 2021, 11:46:46 AM »
Any idea where things are with this? Remember hearing we might get approx £10-12m at one point? Does the fact he hasn't kicked a ball in 18 months impact the compensation fee? are we due a fee based on his potential value at the time of his leaving?

Bizarre one this - no idea how it works

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« Reply #946 on: August 30, 2021, 11:54:33 AM »
Any idea where things are with this? Remember hearing we might get approx £10-12m at one point? Does the fact he hasn't kicked a ball in 18 months impact the compensation fee? are we due a fee based on his potential value at the time of his leaving?

Bizarre one this - no idea how it works

His value would be based on what he was worth at the time we sold him. The fact he's been crocked since has no impact. Athletic said a month or 2 ago that tribunal has been held but seems odd, surely would have decided on a fee by now.

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« Reply #947 on: August 30, 2021, 04:10:08 PM »
His value would be based on what he was worth at the time we sold him. The fact he's been crocked since has no impact. Athletic said a month or 2 ago that tribunal has been held but seems odd, surely would have decided on a fee by now.

Do you know that for a fact? I've seen a few people on here say it but haven't seen it come from a reliable source. Are we sure we aren't just projecting what we think should be the case, rather than what is the reality?

I have no idea how tribunals work, but wouldn't be all that shocked if they took into consideration he has been injured for 6 months at the time.of him signing.
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« Reply #948 on: August 30, 2021, 05:03:32 PM »
Do you know that for a fact? I've seen a few people on here say it but haven't seen it come from a reliable source. Are we sure we aren't just projecting what we think should be the case, rather than what is the reality?

I have no idea how tribunals work, but wouldn't be all that shocked if they took into consideration he has been injured for 6 months at the time.of him signing.

Everyone whos ever said anything about it says so. I don't just mean this deal.

Agree his injury will have wiped some money off. Thats why we were daft not to take their 2nd lower offer once the injury came to light. We will probably only get around that anyway just over a year late.

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« Reply #949 on: August 30, 2021, 07:06:35 PM »
Palace have been happy to pay his wages for all this time so they must value him highly.  The tribunal must take this into account