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« Reply #1350 on: April 28, 2021, 01:06:50 PM »
I'm not sure £40k is correct.  He was on £6k last year and refused improved terms, so I think even with the Prem wage rise he's on less than £20k.  But I accept only he and the club know for sure.

It was widely reported by Atheltic and local journos he's on 40k per week. He was probably on 6k per week as a squad player at Sporting

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« Reply #1351 on: April 28, 2021, 01:08:27 PM »
And it's one reason why we need to keep Allardyce. He's a massive figure in the game and he will get his way with the likes of Dowling. Regardless of what some people would like to think Allardyce has massive pulling power. You only have to look at Diagne and Yokuslu to see that, both of them came from overseas.

Whoever is in charge next season if it's a 'YES' man the club is screwed. Before anymore management changes though i'd like to see a new DOF come first.

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« Reply #1352 on: April 28, 2021, 01:30:45 PM »
Losing him wont be a disaster, it brings in, relatively speaking, a huge amount of money to add to the pot already gained from being in the PL, to strengthen the team / squad over all.

We should never be afraid to sell any player, there are other players available to us all over the world.

Whilst I wouldn't be actively looking to sell, I do think we have to be realistic and learn the lessons from our past.

If the sale of Pereira enables us to revamp the side in several areas then it is something we will need to consider.

Our mistake previously was that we had a good core group of players (Mulumbu, Olsson, Dorrans, Morrison, Brunt, Long) for whom we kept far too long and who continued to depreciate in value. We then get left with a rather old bloated squad with no room to manoeuvre when it came to replacing them.
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« Reply #1353 on: April 28, 2021, 01:55:04 PM »
Whilst I wouldn't be actively looking to sell, I do think we have to be realistic and learn the lessons from our past.

If the sale of Pereira enables us to revamp the side in several areas then it is something we will need to consider.

Our mistake previously was that we had a good core group of players (Mulumbu, Olsson, Dorrans, Morrison, Brunt, Long) for whom we kept far too long and who continued to depreciate in value. We then get left with a rather old bloated squad with no room to manoeuvre when it came to replacing them.
It's a tough one because, we probably don't need players of Pereira's quality to compete in the Champ and the money would go a long way. Trouble is, if we do go up, we can't afford players of Pereira's quality.
I'd do everything we can to keep him but, if that fails, then get as much as we possibly can and let him go with our blessing. As long as it's not within a 10 mile radius!!!!

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« Reply #1354 on: April 28, 2021, 02:36:51 PM »
Palace are still in the PL we wont be. To most players PL is second only in attraction to Champions League. Palace are way too reliant on Zaha much as Villa are with Grealish. It isnt good for them, both clubs can barely win a game without their star man. You never build a team around one man.

Put yourself in Pereira's shoes. You are going to want to be in the PL surely? Losing him wont be a disaster, it brings in, relatively speaking, a huge amount of money to add to the pot already gained from being in the PL, to strengthen the team / squad over all. We should never be afraid to sell any player, there are other players available to us all over the world.

Very good players are extremely difficult to get hold off, if you sell your best players you go backwards. We would be utterly mad to sell Pereira this summer. You keep your best players and seek to add to them.

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« Reply #1355 on: April 28, 2021, 05:20:27 PM »
Very good players are extremely difficult to get hold off, if you sell your best players you go backwards. We would be utterly mad to sell Pereira this summer. You keep your best players and seek to add to them.
But him staying and sulking would be no good to anyone, so sadly I think he'll be off.

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« Reply #1356 on: April 28, 2021, 05:56:07 PM »
But him staying and sulking would be no good to anyone, so sadly I think he'll be off.
How do you know he will sulk? It's a big assumption. We should be doing everything in our power to keep him. Hopefully we are.

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« Reply #1357 on: April 28, 2021, 06:16:01 PM »
How do you know he will sulk? It's a big assumption. We should be doing everything in our power to keep him. Hopefully we are.
Don't get me wrong, if we offer him a good deal maybe with something like a bumper promotion wage hike, and he stays that will be absolutely brilliant.  But if he makes it clear he wants out now, and we are getting good offers, then I think we should let him go. I think he's on a long contract, so a good offer in my book would be not much less than 25m, based on what Eze went for.

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« Reply #1358 on: April 28, 2021, 07:02:20 PM »
Don't get me wrong, if we offer him a good deal maybe with something like a bumper promotion wage hike, and he stays that will be absolutely brilliant.  But if he makes it clear he wants out now, and we are getting good offers, then I think we should let him go. I think he's on a long contract, so a good offer in my book would be not much less than 25m, based on what Eze went for.
Yes, agree with this. If he wants to go, that's a different story, but no sign of that just yet. Money isn't the be all and end all for everyone. If he isn't the biggest earner once the current crop have departed, we should make sure he becomes the biggest earner, then at least we can genuinely feel that the club made a real effort to keep him.

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« Reply #1359 on: April 28, 2021, 07:57:52 PM »
But him staying and sulking would be no good to anyone, so sadly I think he'll be off.

Zaha at Palace has handed in multiple transfer requests for a few years now and threatened to go on strike, the Palace board stood their ground and guess what, ultimately he'd rather play football at Palace than not at all and it's worked for them. You don't just sell a player because he wants to leave.  I don't see why Periera would be so unhappy giving it 12 months in the championship again pushing for promotion with us. Besides, if we value him at £40m there aren't going to be many clubs able and willing to try to buy him.

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« Reply #1360 on: April 28, 2021, 08:44:53 PM »
Whilst I wouldn't be actively looking to sell, I do think we have to be realistic and learn the lessons from our past.

If the sale of Pereira enables us to revamp the side in several areas then it is something we will need to consider.

Our mistake previously was that we had a good core group of players (Mulumbu, Olsson, Dorrans, Morrison, Brunt, Long) for whom we kept far too long and who continued to depreciate in value. We then get left with a rather old bloated squad with no room to manoeuvre when it came to replacing them.

I'm a realist as well and would definitely put a price on him that we couldn't refuse, I think 18 mill is chicken feed when you consider how important he as become to us, and our recruitment in the summer,  where we spent the best part of 40 mill, didn't exactly fill me with confidence.
I would offer the kid a get out clause if we don't get promoted and if we do sell we must keep big Sam to overlook the transfers, either way it will be a massive loss to all of us who have only really watched him on tv of most of his West Brom career.

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« Reply #1361 on: May 02, 2021, 07:25:39 AM »
With that kind of defeatist attitude Crystal Palace would have sold Zaha a long time ago and then got relegated. MP is under a long term contract, we don’t have to sell.
A long time ago.....what if Man Utd had come in for him?
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« Reply #1362 on: May 02, 2021, 09:25:43 AM »
Difficult one , guess it's a case of wait and see what the offers are . For me he's improved under Allardyce and is at a decent level most weeks now  ,my gut feeling is if Allardyce stays he'll be intent on keeping Pereira for a quick return .
I'll like to see him sign a new deal on higher wages with a release at a fair price if we don't get back up at the first go .
The worst thought for me us cashing in and letting Dowling loose with the money :o
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« Reply #1363 on: May 02, 2021, 12:46:25 PM »
Imagine the squad Dowling could assemble if left to his own devices with a fat pot of cash. Terrifying.

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« Reply #1364 on: May 02, 2021, 01:30:17 PM »
Imagine the squad Dowling could assemble if left to his own devices with a fat pot of cash. Terrifying.
A squad that would smash Chelsea 5-2 ?
A squad that would achieve automatic promotion 1 year in to a 2 year target?
But this won’t fit the narrative

It is far to simple to say when it’s wrong it’s DOWLING and all the positives are fat Sam or players actually doing their jobs .
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« Reply #1365 on: May 02, 2021, 01:45:18 PM »
A squad that would smash Chelsea 5-2 ?
A squad that would achieve automatic promotion 1 year in to a 2 year target?
But this won’t fit the narrative

It is far to simple to say when it’s wrong it’s DOWLING and all the positives are fat Sam or players actually doing their jobs .


Based on the players Dowling signed and the players signed since Sams arrival i believe i am rightly worried with him spunking the money up the wall. It's not like we have it to burn.

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« Reply #1366 on: May 02, 2021, 02:11:18 PM »
A squad that would smash Chelsea 5-2 ?
A squad that would achieve automatic promotion 1 year in to a 2 year target?
But this won’t fit the narrative

It is far to simple to say when it’s wrong it’s DOWLING and all the positives are fat Sam or players actually doing their jobs .
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« Reply #1367 on: May 02, 2021, 02:21:14 PM »
MP went a long way backwards early on in Allardyce's  tenancy. It is only since Chelsea he has been played in the position we all knew he was at his most effective. Allardyce will no doubt claim the credit but had shunted him out wide to accommodate his own ideas, dropped him or took him off early in some games and amongst other things, seemed to be trying to his best to unsettle the player. He was forced to put him in the right place against Chelsea, and to give him some support around him, the rest is history.

Will Allardyce do the same again if he is in charge next season and will MP want to play for him? Will Dowling's better signings (such as they may be) be given a fair chance? Time will tell.

I would be bitterly disappointed if MP was sold, but would certainly understand if he wanted to try his luck at a decent Prem team should any want him and be prepared to fork out £20m or so. I do not mean vile or dingles who will only be there by the skin of their teeth anyway

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« Reply #1368 on: May 02, 2021, 02:25:56 PM »
A squad that would smash Chelsea 5-2 ?
A squad that would achieve automatic promotion 1 year in to a 2 year target?
But this won’t fit the narrative

It is far to simple to say when it’s wrong it’s DOWLING and all the positives are fat Sam or players actually doing their jobs .
Well given Sam wanted AMN and Dowling won't shop in Europe ( Diange / Okay ) that pretty much rules out those three.
What we do know was buying Zohore and Grosiki when Bilic didn't want them really and rarely played them . Austin was Dowling lead and while yes we got up it was very short sighted as his legs had almost gone , he didn't really fit our style and was never going to hack the top flight . You can add big wages and a pay rise for getting up on that too .
Theres a long list of poor short term thinking / deals while he's been here , no argueing that .
Signing 3 players in Robinson , Grady and Grant all in the same window and all pretty much in the same position is beyond belief let alone how much was spent .
I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him .
This topic is Pereira , a Bilic signing so again lets not let that shine any glory on Dowling other than getting the deal done .
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« Reply #1369 on: May 02, 2021, 06:10:20 PM »
A squad that would smash Chelsea 5-2 ?
A squad that would achieve automatic promotion 1 year in to a 2 year target?
But this won’t fit the narrative

It is far to simple to say when it’s wrong it’s DOWLING and all the positives are fat Sam or players actually doing their jobs .

The narrative is the narrative because that's the way things are. Dowling has presided over a squad that has gotten worse with every window in terms of overall quality; Bilic did an amazing job to get that squad up, because it was nowhere near good enough. And yet all the best players last season came from Bilic and his contacts.

This season has been a mess, and he has to carry the can for that. Allardyce managed to bring in 4 players which were head and shoulders above most of what we've had all season. Dowling is ultimately in charge of recruitment, and it was his decision to bring back Diangana for a ridiculous fee.

So no, I wouldn't trust him with the money generated from selling Pereira.

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« Reply #1370 on: May 03, 2021, 09:57:14 PM »
Shoved out wider in the re-shuffle tonight and disappeared (IMO) has to stay central for the good of the team.
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« Reply #1371 on: May 03, 2021, 10:07:39 PM »
Shoved out wider in the re-shuffle tonight and disappeared (IMO) has to stay central for the good of the team.

Should be first name on the team sheet and in his most influential role for me. 

Real shame we're not going to be able to give him the send off his deserves.

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« Reply #1372 on: May 03, 2021, 11:20:30 PM »
Shoved out wider in the re-shuffle tonight and disappeared (IMO) has to stay central for the good of the team.

Played out wide v Villa arguably best overall performance of the year? It’s how many times you get the ball to him in attacking areas with players to provide runs for him

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« Reply #1373 on: May 03, 2021, 11:24:21 PM »
Played out wide v Villa arguably best overall performance of the year? It’s how many times you get the ball to him in attacking areas with players to provide runs for him

Don't agree with this. If he starts out wide by the time he get's the ball in the middle the opposition have got their shape back to defend in depth. Whereas if he starts centrally he can pick the ball up past the opposition midfield and straight onto their back four where he is most dangerous.

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« Reply #1374 on: May 05, 2021, 01:24:00 PM »
Try and keep him (I know he may want to leave). Sell off the dead wood and other players who we can get money for. Pereira is a joy to watch on song and one of the most gifted players I have seen at the Albion in my time watching. I understand we can get good money for him but if he wants to be here then keep him.