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Re: Sam Johnstone
« Reply #3025 on: June 07, 2021, 11:36:02 PM »
I’ve also spent many years watching and playing football (mainly as a keeper) and have also watched Johnstone over all the time he has been with us, yet I come to a very different opinion of him than some people on here.
It would seem that my opinion is shared by previous Albion managers and the manager of England.

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« Reply #3026 on: June 08, 2021, 02:49:00 AM »
I’d trust his judgement over most of the self appointed experts on here, yes.

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« Reply #3027 on: June 08, 2021, 10:21:33 AM »
We all know SJ is a top class shot stopper, but is let down by not being so commanding of his rea (claiming crosses) and his kicking.

The England game v Romania showed his kicking is not the best when a few times he kicked it out of play when others such as pickford would have found an england player. I think this is what would hold him back from being a keeper for a top team / England No. 1


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« Reply #3028 on: June 08, 2021, 10:35:13 AM »
We all know SJ is a top class shot stopper, but is let down by not being so commanding of his rea (claiming crosses) and his kicking.

The England game v Romania showed his kicking is not the best when a few times he kicked it out of play when others such as pickford would have found an england player. I think this is what would hold him back from being a keeper for a top team / England No. 1

This.
Not sure why the SJ lovers on here can't see this. Its nothing personal, nothing vindictive, just our opinion! He'd be the best keeper in the world if we played 5 a-side. Unfortunately you have to deal with crosses and kick long in 11 a-side.

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« Reply #3029 on: June 08, 2021, 11:23:24 AM »
I’ve also spent many years watching and playing football (mainly as a keeper) and have also watched Johnstone over all the time he has been with us, yet I come to a very different opinion of him than some people on here.
It would seem that my opinion is shared by previous Albion managers and the manager of England.

Well done, Sam, for a much deserved England cap - I’m proud that despite such an awful season for the club, one of our players’ performances has been recognized.
Firstly, I agree with the bit in bold, good on him, still a Baggie.

Secondly though, I would be interested in your expert opinion on how he deals with crosses, commands his area and his kicking ability. Do you accept that these are frailties within his game, but are made up for by his shot stopping, or do you think his all round game is good?

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« Reply #3030 on: June 08, 2021, 12:02:06 PM »
Firstly, I agree with the bit in bold, good on him, still a Baggie.

Secondly though, I would be interested in your expert opinion on how he deals with crosses, commands his area and his kicking ability. Do you accept that these are frailties within his game, but are made up for by his shot stopping, or do you think his all round game is good?

And has dreadful footwork and is very poor at long range shots.

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« Reply #3031 on: June 08, 2021, 12:17:00 PM »
This.
Not sure why the SJ lovers on here can't see this. Its nothing personal, nothing vindictive, just our opinion! He'd be the best keeper in the world if we played 5 a-side. Unfortunately you have to deal with crosses and kick long in 11 a-side.

Why do we have to have all this SJ lovers type stuff? Can people not have an opinion without being branded a lover or hater anymore?

For me the bloke is not as bad as made out by some on here but not the best around either, he has faults and will make mistakes, if he didn't then he wouldn't be here with us.
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« Reply #3032 on: June 08, 2021, 12:51:47 PM »
I'm pretty sure nobody on here hates SJ. This is just something his critics are sometimes accused of by those who do not accept that others may not think he is actually as good as they do.

I think that most will agree that he can, and has, made some quite superb last ditch reaction saves, often preventing a goal. Few of us have any complaints about this part of his game, and fully accept that he can be exceptional at times. Where the criticism stems from is a lot of errors early on in his time with us, when he was instrumental in us losing points. He has  since reduced the number of such errors but still some of us cannot trust him. He has never been a goalkeeper with 'presence' in his area and unfortunately this has not improved greatly, nor has his reading of the trajectory of crosses and shots from distance improved at all. The may have also been concerns about how well SJ actually 'read the game' but I believe there has been some improvement in this over the years. These aspects must be something he has worked on with the specialised coaches, but it seems after so long, there is likely no improvement to be had, or at least none that I have seen.

I have never intentionally criticised SJ as a person, nor do I believe any other of his 'critics' would do so. I'm proud as an Albion supporter and pleased for him being chosen to represent his country.

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« Reply #3033 on: June 08, 2021, 10:09:40 PM »
Why do we have to have all this SJ lovers type stuff? Can people not have an opinion without being branded a lover or hater anymore?

For me the bloke is not as bad as made out by some on here but not the best around either, he has faults and will make mistakes, if he didn't then he wouldn't be here with us.

It's the way of the world atm, you can't slightly lean either side of an opinion. If you oppose someone's views they think you're an extremist, with Politics and with Sam Johnstone in this case.

Hes no where near the best keeper I've watched at the albion, but like you said, some people make out like he's the level of Zuberbuhler, Luke Steele etc al

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« Reply #3034 on: June 08, 2021, 10:56:56 PM »
It's the way of the world atm, you can't slightly lean either side of an opinion. If you oppose someone's views they think you're an extremist, with Politics and with Sam Johnstone in this case.

Hes no where near the best keeper I've watched at the albion, but like you said, some people make out like he's the level of Zuberbuhler, Luke Steele etc al

The lovers thing was just a figure of speech. What do people suggest I call them, in the interests of not offending anyone? And for the record I'm neither a hater nor a lover. I've often praised his shot stopping, whilst also pointing out his obvious flaws.

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« Reply #3035 on: June 10, 2021, 09:33:53 PM »
Talk of clubs wanting our Sam. Watford are another interested.

If he did goto Watford I would ask for Ben Foster back and get Palmer as No.2 learning from him
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Re: Sam Johnstone
« Reply #3036 on: June 10, 2021, 10:41:29 PM »
The lovers thing was just a figure of speech. What do people suggest I call them, in the interests of not offending anyone? And for the record I'm neither a hater nor a lover. I've often praised his shot stopping, whilst also pointing out his obvious flaws.

why do you have to call them anything? Just argue against the points they raise.
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« Reply #3037 on: June 11, 2021, 12:54:34 AM »
What has surprised me the most about SJ is how he has totally escaped any criticism for not extending his contract.

I read posts praising and criticising his game but not total lack of loyalty.

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« Reply #3038 on: June 11, 2021, 08:15:42 AM »
What has surprised me the most about SJ is how he has totally escaped any criticism for not extending his contract.

I read posts praising and criticising his game but not total lack of loyalty.

pretty realistic lot on here in the main, the lad has attracted interest from suitors who will pay him more than us, he owes us nowt. Inevitable.
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« Reply #3039 on: June 11, 2021, 05:55:32 PM »
pretty realistic lot on here in the main, the lad has attracted interest from suitors who will pay him more than us, he owes us nowt. Inevitable.

Maybe some of us don't rate him highly enough to be that bothered if he goes so long as we get a good deal for him.

The truth is he is a decent keeper, who has come to the end of his contract at a relegated club. According to the press he has attracted interest from a number of clubs presently in the greed league, so it is not surprising that he will give serious consideration to those offers with regard to his future professional career. I have criticised aspects of his goalkeeping, but never his attitude to WBA. He is not being disloyal - He will complete his agreed term with us so good luck to him if he takes a better offer. It is up to WBA to allow him to leave early with appropriate compensation in the form of a transfer fee. I have no doubt the powers that be at WBA will **** it all up and lose out on any deal.

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« Reply #3040 on: June 11, 2021, 06:09:00 PM »
What has surprised me the most about SJ is how he has totally escaped any criticism for not extending his contract.

I read posts praising and criticising his game but not total lack of loyalty.

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« Reply #3041 on: June 11, 2021, 07:03:43 PM »
What has surprised me the most about SJ is how he has totally escaped any criticism for not extending his contract.

I read posts praising and criticising his game but not total lack of loyalty.

As one who praises his hood points and points out his flaws I'm indifferent to it tbh. As long as we make a profit on him I'm fine with it.

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Re: Sam Johnstone
« Reply #3042 on: June 11, 2021, 07:24:36 PM »
What has surprised me the most about SJ is how he has totally escaped any criticism for not extending his contract.

I read posts praising and criticising his game but not total lack of loyalty.

He spent his first 2 years being harangued by knuckle draggers on twitter who tagged him in posts criticising him. Csnt blame him for showing a lack of loyalty really.
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« Reply #3043 on: June 11, 2021, 09:41:18 PM »
He spent his first 2 years being harangued by knuckle draggers on twitter who tagged him in posts criticising him. Csnt blame him for showing a lack of loyalty really.

Professional footballers do not make contract decisions based on their Twitter popularity, lol. He didn’t sign a new deal because he understood he was in a stronger position to get a better contract this summer. Common sense from him.

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« Reply #3044 on: June 14, 2021, 02:24:43 PM »
Sam Johnstone is a better ‘close range’ shot-stopper than either Pickford or Henderson.
What’s the likelihood of him coming on as substitute keeper in the event of a penalty shoot out in the latter stages of the Euros.  Calling it now!
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« Reply #3045 on: June 14, 2021, 02:26:01 PM »
Sam Johnstone is a better ‘close range’ shot-stopper than either Pickford or Henderson.
What’s the likelihood of him coming on as substitute keeper in the event of a penalty shoot out in the latter stages of the Euros.  Calling it now!

That’s of course if we qualify for the knock-out stages!
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« Reply #3046 on: June 15, 2021, 10:49:18 AM »
Dean Henderson has withdrawn from the squad through injury so I imagine Sam is now definitely first reserve to Pickford for the tournament.

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« Reply #3047 on: June 15, 2021, 10:58:33 AM »
Where's Sam off to folks, your guess is. back to Man U ,maybe
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Re: Sam Johnstone
« Reply #3048 on: June 15, 2021, 04:33:15 PM »
https://twitter.com/topimpacat/status/1404798594289446919

Interesting bit here about goalkeeper passing stats. Many on here will be like me, caring a lot more about how a goalkeeper copes between the sticks, but this stuff is gaining more traction now and is a consideration for the top clubs.

Sam Doesn’t come out of it too well which might hurt him.
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« Reply #3049 on: June 15, 2021, 04:36:08 PM »
https://twitter.com/topimpacat/status/1404798594289446919

Interesting bit here about goalkeeper passing stats. Many on here will be like me, caring a lot more about how a goalkeeper copes between the sticks, but this stuff is gaining more traction now and is a consideration for the top clubs.

Sam Doesn’t come out of it too well which might hurt him.

I rate him with the ball at his feet, one of the stronger aspects of his game.