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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Reyes Cleary
« on: Yesterday at 07:51:25 PM »
I honestly expect it to be announced on January 1st that he’s joined someone else. 

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Guochuan Lai
« on: Yesterday at 05:48:15 PM »
Something that occurred to me was that Lai could sell some of his shares to someone who has real intentions with the club and happy to invest. Whilst he will not get what he wants in the short term, with someone else having the 51% share holding he has the potential of receiving more for his share if we get established in the top league. That may be a better prospect than where we are now.

I am sure I am about to be told why its a rubbish idea........

Sadly you would be crazy to put any real investment in to us with only 51%. You’d be putting money in other peoples pockets and you’d need far larger growth to see a return. 

Let’s say Lai sells me 51% for £75m and he keeps 49%) valuing the club at £150m.  If I invest £50m and take the club valuation to £200m, both of us now have assets £100m. I’m still £25m down on my overall investment, but Lai is £25m better off without having put his hand in his pocket.

If we were an emerging tech company with a ceiling a thousand times the current value, buying 51% and fuelling it could be attractive and you just have to accept the prior majority owner will get rewarded for his work before you. I doesn’t really work with football club though.

If you are wanting to put hundreds of mill in, you just buy the large stake in the first place.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Jordan Hugill joins on loan
« on: December 06, 2021, 05:06:14 PM »
Just read on twitter than according to XG, Hugil is the most under performing striker in the championship with 4.17 expected goals per actual goal.  That is nearly 1.00 above the 2nd worst and over 2.00 above the player in third for comparison.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next 5 games
« on: December 06, 2021, 04:24:41 PM »
10 points from the next 15 wouldn't be a terrible return but is unlikely to see us put real pressure on the top two.

You'd hope 12/13 would see us make up some ground, at the moment that seems a tough ask for us although its not out of the question we could click. 

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Grady Diangana
« on: December 05, 2021, 07:27:18 PM »
He played mainly on the right during is first season under Bilic, and said at the time he preferred the right

Are you sure? As far as I remember, Most his big moments that season seemed to be from the left.

The above has him recorded as on the left 90% of the time too.

General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: December 03, 2021, 09:58:46 AM »
Fun and games in Man U vs Arsenal.

Ball comes in and Fred treads on De Geas foot and leaves him crumpled on the goaline, ball gets cleared. Rowe Smith puts it in from 20 yards or so.

Ref doesnt blow whistle till ball goes in net but no offside or foul from Arsenal so goal has to stand.

Has been given correctly to be fair.

The rhetoric that United were in some way unlucky is / was a joke.

The keeper cannot just hit the deck under contract from his own player and have game stopped. It was obvious he wasnt seriously hurt, he could have easily stayed up but he wanted the free kick.  They attempted a form of cheating.

if Smith Rowe hadn’t struck the ball at that moment,  the ref would have stopped the game for no reason.

General Football & Sports / Re: Footballers Collapsing on the Pitch
« on: December 01, 2021, 08:49:38 PM »
Another few incidents in the stands tonight. It really does seem to be happening far more often.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Robert Snodgrass
« on: November 28, 2021, 11:27:18 AM »
It’s been said against Boro he was screaming at VI to change things tactically to help us in the game. I expect that’s it.

Although the tail can’t wag the dog the extent of VI’s stubbornness is concerning.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: System / Tactics / Personnel
« on: November 28, 2021, 09:37:51 AM »
The following comparison of goal attempts with top of the table Fulham might be of interest (includes Fulham's game today):

Total Goal Attempts317329
Outside Box104109
Inside 6 Yard Box4230
In Penalty Area171190
On Target96120
Off Target130128
Hit Woodwork711
Right Foot Shots143169
Left Foot Shots95101
Headed Goal Attempts7958


Some stand-out points from the stats:
  • Ourselves (317) and Fulham (329) have the highest number of goal attempts in the division. Third is QPR (251).
  • Only Fulham (120) have had more goal attempts on target (not counting blocked) than us (96).
  • We've had the most off target goal attempts (130) in the division; Fulham have the next highest (128). Third is Birmingham (104), but they've had 89 fewer goal attempts overall than us.
  • We've had more blocked goal attempts (91) than anyone else in the division. The next highest is Coventry (80).
  • We've had more goal attempts inside the 6 yard box (42) than anyone else in the division. The next highest is Cardiff (32).
  • Only Cardiff (90) have had more headed goal attempts than us (79).
Fulham only managed 9 goal attempts (2 on target) in their draw at Preston today (Mitrovic was playing). Preston had 15 goal attempts with 4 on target. Fulham only had 2 goal attempts in the whole of the second half; in fact they only had 2 goal attempts after the 27th minute. Now that is boring!  ;D

I think this is quite interesting, and when consider it with our poor  recent xG it seems to add weight to the fact that a goal scorer would change everything. Only once have we lost by more than one goal so a goal scorer with even a modest output is turning losses in to draws and draws in to wins. 

A goal scorer also changes games in the moment and means teams have to change in the game against us, and I think that would also go a long way to change the views on the entertainment served up. 

I’ve said for weeks we are close to being a good side at this level, but is this aided by val, or in spite of him. He’s not helping himself.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Valérien Ismaël - Head Coach
« on: November 27, 2021, 12:57:43 PM »
For what it's worth, I don't think we are losing the middle of the park.

By playing a high line, we're compacting the play into 3/4 of the playing area, & most of that is in our opponents half.

They pull men back to defend that area, so you end up up with congestion, with very limited routes to goal.

IMO we need to use more of the pitch, & pull the opponents players out of position, focus more on what we do off the ball.

We aren’t losing the middle generally, I agree. Swansea, Fulham and a couple of other games we have, but generally speaking we aren’t.

We are causing our our problems at the back in open play (I saw someone tweet we’ve only conceded once this season from a set piece which is incredible in the championship) but above all else we’ve been terrible in attack.

We’ve more problems with the ball than without it, which is a bizarre thing to say about a football team.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Valérien Ismaël - Head Coach
« on: November 27, 2021, 10:17:44 AM »
We desperately need a proper goal scorer. This team transforms with one. Forest aren’t a bad side at this level,  and yet until the sending off we could barely string a pass together and still controlled the game.

With that said, Until Jan VI needs to work with what he’s got and find some tactics going forwards that suit what we have and create better chances. He’s looking like a poor manager at present who had got away with having better players but now it’s catching up with him.

General Football & Sports / Re: Footballers Collapsing on the Pitch
« on: November 25, 2021, 06:37:53 PM »
I’ve been having tests because an irregularity was found with my heart during a routine test.

Im sure that has made me more aware of these stories, but even with that said, there does seem to be more of them and I’m not sure the availability of news is the answer.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Jordan Hugill joins on loan
« on: November 25, 2021, 02:30:26 PM »
I'm not sure if it has been posted, but there was an athletic article on Monday, about our xG compared to shots.

I didnt read the article because I dont have access, but it was clear from the headline the article was going to demonstrate that whilst we have had a decent number of attempts recently, the quality of the chances has been very limited.

That's not one players fault, the whole team need to take a share of that blame, but you are unlikely to fix that by persisting with Hugil.

General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: November 11, 2021, 10:46:21 AM »
Well I was wrong. Really don’t understand it, but no surprise money talks.

General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: November 10, 2021, 08:52:51 AM »
I'm afraid in terms of wealth of owners Villa rank higher than Liverpool. Difficult to say how Gerrard views the Liverpool job - is following Klopp going to be a no-win situation ?

Liverpool and United are the two clubs in this country where wealth of owners is less material though.  They both have commercial revenues that allow them to spend in line with the richer owners of clubs.

Owners like the villa have, won’t keep spending £100m a year from there own pockets just to see those trains keep pushing on ahead. I think the Villa owners will be bored in a couple of years and they’ll be back to trying to run a sustainable club. At which point the fans will want new owners again.

General Football & Sports / Re: Ex Players Thread
« on: November 09, 2021, 08:14:47 PM »
Also just on the standard Apple podcast or Spotify

Interesting post and I agree, I don’t think any would get in.

I don’t see any having the potential to get in either, which is more worrying. 

General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: November 09, 2021, 04:11:43 PM »
Rumour as it Steve Gerrard could be the next manager at Seal Park I do hope not I've always liked Gerrard it would be so sad to blot his illustrious career by managing that lot.

I with what Danny Murphy said, can't see Gerrard going to Villa because Villa have a low ceiling.  If he was going to go anywhere this Autumn, Newcastle made more sense in my opinion.

With Gerrard you have to always bare in mind Liverpool, who I think it is fairly safe to say he wants to manage. Villa is a risk to his CV he doesnt need.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Valérien Ismaël - Head Coach
« on: November 08, 2021, 11:41:40 AM »
At the moment I think a finish outside the play offs is very possible. Hopefully the board will back Val in the forthcoming transfer window or else we may as well give up now. I also hope that despite a 5 year contract, our board were smart enough to insert a 'no promotion - no job' clause into it.

We will have to disagree.  Any manager should be able to get this current squad in to the play offs.

In my opinion there is only objectively 3 potentially better squads than ours, and we are 13 points above one of those.

I must be missing the threat others see in the rest of the division. The only threat to us is from within.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Valérien Ismaël - Head Coach
« on: November 08, 2021, 10:40:48 AM »
If we finish outside the play offs, something will have gone horribly horribly wrong.

We have sleepwalked in to third and despite us playing quite poorly, quite often, the only three teams who've looked like beating us, have.  Our points return over the last 7 games has been poor (10 out of 21) but even at that rate we would still get to 73/74 points. Agree completely that its how we get there that is going to matter.

General Football & Sports / Re: Ex Players Thread
« on: November 07, 2021, 01:06:06 PM »
What odds he signs for Newcastle in Jan?

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Valérien Ismaël - Head Coach
« on: November 07, 2021, 10:19:21 AM »
That is precisely the point.  If only one of those two clubs was smashing the league we’d be top 2 and nobody would be wetting their knickers.  We cannot control what those two clubs do except when we play against them.

You can’t dismiss what Fulham and Bournmouth are doing completely. I think it demonstrates how poor the league is.

I don’t think we should be top two, but I do think we should be better than we are. That might sound silly with us third, but I’d be happier with us in a lower position if believed in progress and process I was seeing.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Pre Match Chat
« on: November 06, 2021, 02:29:28 PM »
That back three was horrendous when under any pressure from Hull so I don’t understand it.

Otherwise it’s fine, and I think Diangana is probably in for pace against an aging back line since neither Grant or Robinson are particularly quick.

No idea what we do if anything happens to a centre mid player though. Reach inside and a centre back on probably.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Pre Match Chat
« on: November 06, 2021, 01:23:52 PM »
Reading about Boro’s injury problems, it’s suggested they’ll go with a back four which will contain Peltier, Hall and Bamba. There’s no pace in that so they’ll sit deep and I  Can’t see us having much luck against those in the air in open play.

Important we keep the ball down today’s and move it quickly. Save the long balls and crosses for set pieces where we can get the defenders up.

If we can do that I think it’ll be a comfortable win!

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Under 23's / Academy Thread
« on: November 05, 2021, 10:13:46 AM »
Regarding a general U23 piece in the Athletic yesterday says we are hopeful of getting Cleary to sign a new 'proper' contract despite outside interest. Fingers crossed.

The same hope we had with Barry, Ireogbunam and Brown!

He should be 6 month in to a deal by now.

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