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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Rekeem Harper
« on: Yesterday at 11:52:27 PM »
I don't think that many will have expected Chris Wood and Kemar Roofe to go on and develop the way they have.

I think Edwards, Harper and Field in that order have the ability to do similar. Sometimes it seems to need the right manager, regular game time, luck with injuries or just something to click in the brain for players to re-launch their careers. As a club we need to ask how that transition from England age groups to first team can be more productive for us.
Spot on, I sometime think coaches take the easy option of using old players and not investing in the young lads, most likely because they are under such pressure to get results at all costs, Valerien has a 4 year contract so hopefully can allocate time and resources to getting younger players transitioned into the first team

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Guochuan Lai
« on: Yesterday at 11:44:13 PM »
He has failed to get a decent stable team around his asset
He has failed to lead in any way
He has failed at communication to his customer base

He has lost the club half it's value
He has failed to create the media interest he allegedly craves

On the plus side ???

we have made record breaking signings in the past and they didnt go well

David Mills, in 1979, Ron Atkinson paid £518,000 to take him to West Bromwich Albion, breaking the English transfer record and making Mills Britain's first half million pound footballer

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Valérien Ismaël - Head Coach
« on: Yesterday at 05:02:08 PM »
The 4 year contract will send a message to any prima-donnas at the club who think they can sit around half-arsed waiting for him to get the push.
I personally cannot see a few players fitting into a high tempo, all energy system (Phillips / Sawyers and Zohore for starters)
The rhetoric is good, lets hope he gets off to a good start as that will set the tone for his tenure.
Like his words on young players too

no one can accuse Fulhams owner of being "cheap" and this proves that the amount invested does not correlate to success.
What does correlate is a plan, however there isn't only one plan Abramovic has a different modus operandi to Man City for example,
The issue at the Albion seems to be "the plan" is to sell the club for as much as possible, no more no less.
If the plan means constant changes in personnel, style, development (academy) so be it, just get the club into a position that someone / anyone will buy it,

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: June 16, 2021, 01:12:37 PM »
No chance of Big Dunc and Lai appearing in the same photo, yet alone on the same management team

 Lai and Dunc

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: June 15, 2021, 08:33:18 PM »
I take everyones Pulis and raise you a COLIN

There I know none of you would have the sheer audacity to raise the spectre of that but there you are its out there now !

Apologies to those of you of a weak disposition !

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: June 14, 2021, 09:33:46 PM »
Tony won’t be coming back to us.
I reckon Pauli’s is managing Sweden at the moment, Spain getting Pulised

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Luke Dowling
« on: June 14, 2021, 08:53:03 PM »
This is rational view, given what we know. The players probably blame Dowling for sacking their manager and are glad to see the back of him.
Players will also have seen the academy raped and whilst it wouldn’t affect them directly there will have been relationships which were destroyed, all adds to an atmosphere of general antithesis towards the man responsible

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Luke Dowling
« on: June 14, 2021, 08:32:40 PM »
It’s pretty clear to me that Bilic was building a team, Dowling insisted on adding players Bilic didn’t rate / want and consequently Bilic went, now Dowling has gone the Bilic players are pleased and the outcasts are similarly pleased.
We now enter “need someone to pull the club together territory” last time this happened Darren got the gig, those joking about Mozza / Brunty may not be so far off the mark !!!

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: June 13, 2021, 10:24:09 PM »
We are owned by aman who paid £200m for the club and is clearly incapable of using a currency conversion site, just saying !!!!

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: June 11, 2021, 08:45:09 AM »
There needs to be a reality check here.

Whether we are prepared to pay compensation or not I don't think it's a question of us picking an employed coach from a championship club and offering him the job and expecting them to regard it as a too good to turn down opportunity. We have fired our last four coaches in less than two seasons. One when we were in the play-off positions and the other less than 6 months after he got us promoted.

Sorry if I were Mark Robins for instance on a decent contract and well regarded at Coventry then I am not falling over myself to take the job and that was before we made a very public botch of this manager search further undermining the board's credibility.

For it to be a no brainer for the coach then you are looking at League One coaches the opportunity to get promoted to the next level usually is too alluring, they tend to overlook even the very obvious flaws in their future employer e.g. Darren Moore to Sheffield Wednesday and Lee Bowyer to Blues.

In this context the best coaches employed in League one are Ryan Lowe Karl Robinson  Michael Appleton Danny Cowley and Paul Cook. The last two have only just joined their respective clubs Appleton signed a 4 year contract as recently as February so even here it isn't a case of whistle and they will come.

The available market is a much better option. The names I posted yesterday from even the limited overseas market are generally a cut above the ones we might attract otherwise and you absolutely won't get those out of a job to join us in the Championship were they in employment. They might hold out for better jobs but the clock is ticking as much for them as it is for us.

That is a depressing assessment Stan, but likely accurate sadly !

Coronavirus Thread / Re: Coronavirus
« on: June 11, 2021, 08:30:50 AM »
Well we think very differently then.

As for the kids getting the rough end, I don’t agree in the slightest. I’ve had the most amazing 16-17 months having time with my kids, I’ll never, and they’ll never, get that time together again. And that’s a view shared by nearly every parent I’ve spoken to so far. I’ve learnt more about my family and seen more progress in my girls than at anytime in the years preceding all of this.

Apart from not being able to visit anyone or goto places for socialising I’ve enjoyed the lockdown and used it to my advantage

Thats a view I hadnt heard before and great to hear, my lad is 31 now and we have seen very little of him during lockdown which is sad, but we are all still here, so count our blessings. Its really great that you have had time with your kids as it seems to fly past and is gone so quickly, proper cheered me up that post, thanks

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Rekeem Harper
« on: June 11, 2021, 08:22:16 AM »
Bang on. It's like training in a martial art or sparring. Anyone can look good in training.
It's beyond me that our club hasn't loaned him out more. Is his move to Ipswich good or bad? Really no one knows...because we've barely seen any of him. Since his debut with us he's played 18 games at Birmingham. That's been 4 seasons - why is this seen as acceptable?!
Absolutely spot on and its worse than unacceptable, we have a man (John Terrys brother) in charge of the kids loans / development, he is doing a freakin embarrassingly bad job when judged on results.
Where are the pathways from youth to senior team, our kids either fail dismally or ****** briefly and then leave for lower leagues. There is NO development from 18 onwards.

I know there are folks on here who watch the kids assiduously and i will bow to their greater knowledge but the above is how it seems to me.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Johnstone
« on: June 11, 2021, 08:15:42 AM »
What has surprised me the most about SJ is how he has totally escaped any criticism for not extending his contract.

I read posts praising and criticising his game but not total lack of loyalty.

pretty realistic lot on here in the main, the lad has attracted interest from suitors who will pay him more than us, he owes us nowt. Inevitable.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: June 11, 2021, 08:13:16 AM »
Does anybody regret us getting rid of Bilic ??

I was against his sacking anyway. We were never going to survive last season.
If he was still here at least we would have some stability and be in a better position to have a good crack at promotion again next season.
As it is now with the manager contenders, mid table at best. Depending who the manager is it could even be a relegation fight.

Most definitely, he would have built something good, with correct support but academic now.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: June 10, 2021, 02:53:10 PM »
say it quietly  "neil lennon"

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: June 10, 2021, 01:29:45 PM »
Have we even enquired about managers with a good track record abroad, and apparently available? Ralf Rangnick, Lucien Favre,  Edin Terzic, Dieter Hecking? All have a more than  respectable track record and certainly a better one than Wagner.

I'll ask this one again

how does employing non british managers work post brexit? What criteria apply to qualification?
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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: June 10, 2021, 12:44:19 PM »
how does employing non british managers work post brexit? What criteria apply to qualification?

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: June 10, 2021, 12:40:13 PM »
This is one thing I can never understand, the club will pay £1million pound on a player that may not play much or not at all (Kipre etc) but won't pay that for a manager that will be more important than one player.
and content to break a managers contract at significant expense

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: June 10, 2021, 11:01:58 AM »
May as well just wait until after the Euros and start again, see if someone decent comes into view.
If it was Dowling who leaked the details, then he should be emptying his locker as we speak, with security waiting to walk him off site.

Euros,  Jock exit - Steve Clarke gets the Tintack, welcome back Steve !
suggested this a while back, sounds an excellent strategy , well done LD   8)

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: June 10, 2021, 09:58:25 AM »
Who are we owed money from?
CP &? = circa £10 million
Plus parachute how much say £20 million
Poss sell SJ = £15 Million
Wage % halved
So we keep the majician
We could easily have £50 million to spend to add quality to our team
Whats the problem?

other side of the equation, how do we owe money to ?

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: June 10, 2021, 08:30:42 AM »
Yeah, I appreciate that if a big premiership club comes in for him that he may want to move, but equally he might be settled in the area and happy to give it one more go in the championship. Even if the does want to move, you can't just sell him. Zaha has begged to leave Palace not just for one season but for the past three years. Ultimately when the transfer window closes, even he wanted a move he's a footballer and will want to get his head down and show what he can do. Keeping hold of him for 12 months shows how serious we are about promotion and if we fail then he is still under a long term contract and very sellable next summer.

I'll take your Zaha's application and raise you a Craig Dawson strop, very disappointing attitude when CD didnt get allowed his move.
All down to characters and management of those characters i think.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: June 10, 2021, 08:27:39 AM »
I think it's ridiculous to suggest that under Wagner the ball will be sailing over Pereira's head. It might be in the Premier League but no more so than under at least a couple of the managers lots of posters seemed perfectly happy with.

The Pereira test is a an interesting hypothetical. Assuming keeping Pereira is a practical option but not selling Pereira means that the manager has a lot less to money to play with to reshape the squad elsewhere what do you do? More importantly is Wagner more or less likely to need the Pereira money to reshape the squad than some of the alternatives? My view is less.

Finally on the Pereira theme if you can't work his talents into your tactical set up you are rubbish as a coach end of debate.   

Fully agree with your last statement Stan, this site was pretty united in the "stick Periera in the middle and let him do his stuff" view. Guess what it started to work when tried, Amazing eh ?
Sometimes i do wonder why football professionals cannot see what fans can (viz- our playing it out from the back debacle).
If I were coming into WBAFC as a head coach i would want Periera retained at all costs, he would be the difference at chumps level and the players around him would perform better too. Better than spreading 25m over 3 or 4 average chumps players in the hope they stay fit and excel. (Periera has a good fitness record, so whilst a risk its a calculated one)
I'd also want to keep Bartley as the mainstay at the back (wouldnt have said that a year ago though)

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Luke Dowling
« on: June 10, 2021, 08:19:50 AM »
Totally agree mate, unless you're really thick skinned .

You can be undermined by the chairman / owner over-ruling your recommendation if you have mutual respect for each others position. AND as the sub-ordinate you can point to other decisions / strategies you have implemented successfully meeting owner / boards objectives , these being acknowledged by the Chair.
None of us are privy to the Lai / Dowling relationship (if one even exists) but my impression is that Lai simply NEEDS us to maintain a premier league status and that is the over-riding objective of everyone at WBAFC, in that respect LD has failed and will be judged on that basis (I think)

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