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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: System / Tactics / Personnel
« on: November 29, 2021, 11:41:51 AM »
Hi mate, your forgetting both of our full backs who can make up the 5
Its an attacking and defensive set up, that's my point
Fair enough I hadn't forgotten them but in theory the fullbacks/wingbacks can do that now. Your formation isn't that clear from your post but aren't you basically saying Diangana plays centrally as a 10 in front of Mowatt and Molumby with 2 up top ? It's still a back 3 with wing backs. I'm not saying this is bad by the way - it's an opinion.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: System / Tactics / Personnel
« on: November 28, 2021, 10:03:55 PM »
Hi Mark, yes I definitely would play Diangana in midfield, he has great control and runs at people, he'll have a little more room than being stuck out wide
That's my formation and my team and I'm sticking to it mate
I assume you are talking about Diangana in an advanced midfield role so more of a No 10 role in Pereira fashion ? That's fair enough and it could be worth a try to get something going on occasions. I wouldn't be in favour personally as it would still basically be a 2 man midfield of Mowatt and Molumby. Diangana would be a very attacking number 10 in a similar way that Pereira was i.e. I doubt he'd do much of the grafting side of the midfield job when that is needed.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: System / Tactics / Personnel
« on: November 27, 2021, 09:46:39 PM »
Obviously I should content myself with simple "he's rubbish....we're rubbish...sack the lot" type posts and not spend any more time on it than that.
I think your post was pushing attention spans on a Saturday night  ;) It takes a bit of time to draw conclusions from....which I haven't spent yet. It is an interesting comparison though thanks.
The fact that we are so clearly ahead on the attempts inside the 6 yard box and 2nd to Cardiff on headed attempts says a lot about the main tactic especially early season of sticking it 'into the mix' from set pieces. I struggle to think of too many headed attempts which are from open play. So if you take our headed/scrambled attempts out of it for a second it probably demonstrates that Fulham have created a lot more and had many more attempts from open play, which is no surprise.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Jayson Molumby Joins Albion
« on: November 27, 2021, 08:10:43 PM »
What was the name of that bloke who used to play for us last season who was pretty good at doing that?
Name escapes me for now but pretty sure it began with a P
....but P wasn't a central midfielder by any stretch of the imagination. There is still a place for the 'water carrier' type midfielders who have a high work rate and knit things together with simple passes.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Jayson Molumby Joins Albion
« on: November 27, 2021, 05:49:37 PM »
Regarding his passing he did slip some very simple balls forward into the path of attackers. Nothing spectacular but simple linking is good also.
Really needs to learn from that red card last night. We need to be able to trust him to keep his discipline especially when he's already on a yellow.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Karlan Grant
« on: November 27, 2021, 05:44:33 PM »
I can hardly ever remember him getting goal side of the last defender. Whether through turning past him or from a midfielder's through pass. You can blame the midfielders for that, but he has to take his share of the blame for not finding the pockets of space.  He has a good shooting technique from long range as he makes a clean contact with the ball, but a main striker has to offer more than that. He has to be alert for scrappy half chances closer to goal. Also, for a tall man, he scores very few headers.
I wouldn't have described him as tall to be honest. His wiki has him at 6ft 0 though which surprised me but I guess it's pretty average height for an attacker and he's not going to get any advantage over most defenders. At the moment our wide forwards don't seem to get into any positions to get on the end of crosses. I'd say Phillips is the most likely of them to score a header.

Last Match Forum - 26/11 Nottingham Forest (H) / Re: After Match Debate
« on: November 27, 2021, 11:35:09 AM »
We somehow need to get more bodies into the box and arriving into the box when we are building our attacks, which usually come down the flanks. Townsend, Furlong or whoever it is have practically nobody to pick out. Whoever is the 'central striker' tends to be too deep, there are no midfield runners arriving into the box probably because the two midfielders are over-worked...and the wide attackers whether Grant, Diangana or whoever don't seem to take up goal scoring positions.

I will say I'm finding the football generally an easier watch compared to the Valball/Bingo-Ball/Chaos-ball of early season. We are at least trying to play some football.
Another issue is, in early season every set piece was looking dangerous but now we don't really look like scoring, apart from Diangana's effort last night.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Karlan Grant
« on: November 27, 2021, 11:23:19 AM »
I actually thought he was good in the first half last night. He was looking for the ball and made some telling little bursts and played a couple of useful passes.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: System / Tactics / Personnel
« on: November 26, 2021, 06:31:24 PM »
Molumby can also do that, as amply illustrated in this video. We need him fully fired up like this for us. If Molumby can generally play as he did in those clips, and Mowatt gets his fitness and sharpness back, we'll have an excellent midfield engine room IMO.
Are you talking about a 2 man midfield engine room ... or 3 ? If it's a 2 then we always run the risk of being outgunned in midfield by teams that pack the midfield against us. We need the flexibility to play with a genuine 3 at least at times when the need is there.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: System / Tactics / Personnel
« on: November 26, 2021, 06:00:12 PM »
The main thing I'd question Mark is your final sentence.

'I think we can get caught up saying "We should be playing a 4-3-3" when really we're saying "We're getting outnumbered in midfield". Well, then you can pull an attacker back when we don't have the ball'.

I don't think pulling an attacker back tends to work as the attackers are not midfield specialists and probably not that positionally aware. We were often outnumbered in midfield when Pereira was in the the No 10 position. I've thought for a long time that we need a Morrison clone - someone who can play a proper midfield role but has attacking instincts to time runs into the box etc. Mowatt could probably do that but he's our best in the CM role also.

General Football & Sports / Re: Footballers Collapsing on the Pitch
« on: November 25, 2021, 05:43:04 PM »
I think it's the case that fitness levels in football have gone through the roof in the last 3-4 years with triple sessions pre season under some coaches. It's also the age of pressing and wing backs bombing up and down the pitch. Footballers are generally much fitter these days but that seems to raise the danger of these sudden collapses.

I remember reading some time ago about a spate of sudden deaths in endurance athletes like triathletes.

Yes questions do need to be asked. Do players train too hard when they have some sort of ailment which then has some serious implications at a later date ? I doubt it would be a simple thing to uncover the reasons for these episodes especially when most top level players will have had heart screening.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: System / Tactics / Personnel
« on: November 11, 2021, 08:49:18 AM »
Personally, I believe there are two separate issues:

The stats themselves are one
The style of how we get there is the other

The stats are the stats, so it might be scrappy chances.

I agree, the style is not very attractive, but the stats suggest it's effective, with the exception of the conversion rate.
I suppose the style can affect who the chances fall to. Are a relatively high proportion of ours falling to Bartley, Ajayi, Furlong, Livermore because of how they come about. It's complex to prove anything I know.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Under 23's / Academy Thread
« on: November 11, 2021, 08:42:54 AM »
Insert a release clause of £5m and offer him game time immediately, surely we can then keep him for next 18 months?

Better than losing him now for zilch.
Him and his advisers have to agree to everything though- I don't think there's any 'surely' about it. Some of these things may have been tried with others. They'll know he can get more money elsewhere without waiting the 18 months.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Under 23's / Academy Thread
« on: November 11, 2021, 08:05:10 AM »
Bayern Munich interested Reyes Cleary, 17.

If this lad is the real deal surely we can start giving him 30 mins off the bench and convince him to start a contract?

Rooney broke through at 16, Bale, Giggs & Sharpe at 17 and that was in the Premier League.

What have we got to lose by using him as a sub when the alternative is Hugill?
I've got no problem with the 30 mins off the bench - it's the contract that's the tricky part.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: System / Tactics / Personnel
« on: November 11, 2021, 08:03:24 AM »
The stats suggest that our problems don't lay in making chances, we're just not converting them.

Expected goals (for and against), are the accepted metric, & we are in the top 3 performers in the championship for both.

Only Fulham & Bournemouth have conceded less goals than us, but four teams have scored more than us.

There is nothing in the stats to suggest that we have major problems in the middle of the park.

IMO our priority in January should be a goalscorer.
Fair points but I wonder how many of those chances have been scrappy ones stemming from our set pieces and long throws. I don't think it's because we are dominant in midfield and creating lots of quality chances for strikers.

General Football & Sports / Re: England Cricket Thread
« on: November 11, 2021, 07:58:39 AM »
England didn't really adjust bowling tactics. What worked for most of the innings didn't work once Neesham came in and NZ went into big hit mode. Once a batting team gets momentum like that is is difficult to stop.
It was at least a dramatic game which was a good watch - haven't been enough of those in this tournament.

General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: November 09, 2021, 10:33:00 PM »
If Gerrard goes to Villa, he might do well short-term, but ultimately he'll fall short of fan expectations and it'll tarnish his repuation.

He's onto a sure thing if he stays at Rangers, keeps them performing, he'll walk in as Klopp's replacement. One bad year at Villa and he won't get a sniff.
How do you know that ? Success for him at Villa would be getting them into Europe, anything short of winning the league or Champions league would be failure at Liverpool.
If he stays with Rangers until Klopp leaves, his only job experience when applying for the Liverpool job would just be keeping Rangers doing well in a two horse race, when he could well be up against one or two big names with more impressive credentials.

General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: November 09, 2021, 09:03:53 PM »
I with what Danny Murphy said, can't see Gerrard going to Villa because Villa have a low ceiling.  If he was going to go anywhere this Autumn, Newcastle made more sense in my opinion.

With Gerrard you have to always bare in mind Liverpool, who I think it is fairly safe to say he wants to manage. Villa is a risk to his CV he doesnt need.
I'm afraid in terms of wealth of owners Villa rank higher than Liverpool. Difficult to say how Gerrard views the Liverpool job - is following Klopp going to be a no-win situation ?

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: System / Tactics / Personnel
« on: November 08, 2021, 11:21:19 AM »
Which perhaps explains why our wider front players tend to sit on (or get close to) our opponents midfield block in certain games looking for the second ball, instead of providing the extra width a number of posters still seem to think we have in our 3-4-3 system.

It's often 3-4-2-1, or in certain defensive instances 5-4-1/5-2-2-1. I don't know whether it's by design or just poor play but here's also times we've only got two at the back, something which TV viewers won't be able to see unless it's pointed out in highlights commentary or on a forum.

Sorry about the poor grammar and punctuation but I'm just passing through.
With the wing backs, I think it's important that the wide front-men say Grant/Phillips/Grady do look for space around the edge of the box. If say Townsend crosses from the left whoever is playing wide right should be looking to get into space near the far post. Also going back to the point of lack of numbers in midfield which is a problem, whatever the plan is, the wide forwards don't make any real difference in terms of helping out in there.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Valérien Ismaël - Head Coach
« on: November 08, 2021, 08:04:02 AM »
Look who we dropped points too the last time we went up. Barnsley, Wigan, Huddersfield and Charlton ect, it happens. I'd be shocked if we didn't reach the playoffs, like Liam said the quality in this league is abysmal. Unfortunately for us we're probably the third best team in this division and finishing in third place doesn't get you automatic promotion.
The quality in this league is abysmal compared to the premier league but the Championship is still comfortably in the top 10 leagues in Europe....haven't looked it up recently but it's something like 5th as far as richest leagues in Europe go ?
Barnsley, Wigan, Huddersfield and Charlton etc caused us all sorts of problems because they outnumbered and over-ran us in midfield.  You don't need huge amounts of quality to be able to do this. There are plenty of very ordinary teams capable of giving us very difficult games. We have to be 'at it' every single game or we'll come a cropper plenty of times.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: November 04, 2021, 07:49:31 AM »
Anyone know how long Gardner-Hickman has got on his contract?
He's got another 18 months left from what I can find. He will have bigger tests but it was nice to see a young player come in and look at home.
The other thing that was clear was that Kipre seems to be a better distributor than any of our other centre backs.
We are clearly varying our style more away from the classic 'Val-ball' that we saw earlier in the season. We were trying to play with a quicker tempo especially second half ....but passes were going astray now and then. 68% possession is a revelation compared to early season...even if it was against Hull.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Under 23's / Academy Thread
« on: November 02, 2021, 08:02:31 AM »
The frustrating thing is that Zohore has the ability to be a far better player than Hugill.

General Football & Sports / Re: Sky Sports
« on: November 01, 2021, 06:39:12 PM »
It won't be the same without him. But as I said in a previous post - you can imagine a rival channel getting the old band back together perhaps?!
Definitely won't be the same without Jeff. BT or BBC wouldn't go down that route of getting the old band together and any other channel wouldn't have enough access to the match footage, ground access etc. except for Amazon at times I guess but it's hard to see it taking off elsewhere.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Under 23's / Academy Thread
« on: November 01, 2021, 12:15:00 PM »
Although he only signed from St Kevin's relatively late he used to train with us several times a year prior to that during holidays. They signed a five year player development agreement with Bohemians in 2018 (according to Wiki'). Definitely something to revisit before the Vile get on board.
OK thanks for the background and yes that sounds a sensible initiative.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Under 23's / Academy Thread
« on: November 01, 2021, 10:21:56 AM »
A couple more Dara O'Shea signings would be good (maybe they are happening). He was 17 when he signed, was obviously under the radar of other clubs and he's someone you can always imagine having a good attitude.

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