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Re: Under 23's / Academy Thread
« Reply #2175 on: July 29, 2021, 02:56:57 PM »
Quote from: NJS on July 29, 2021, 02:28:03 PM
Academy-wise- the Vile seem to have ambition to monopolise the entire West midlands area leaving nothing for Albion.  They have poached our coaches and now our best prospects.  I can't see how we can stop this given their money and status.  They are openly going for our academy assets.

Should we either let our academy dwindle to nothing or fish in further waters (Gloucester, Mid-Wales, South West maybe north Staffs) or give the academy up and turn to Moneyball type stats as Brentford (in a similar position vis a vis Chelsea) have?

In case you were interested, this was the line up for our U16/17 game against Preston on Tuesday based on geographic location, as an example. I've used Birmingham to cover "local" lads that may include West Brom/Sandwell/Smethwick etc unless I know specifically where they are from.

1. Birmingham
2. Birmingham
3. Cheltenham
4. Shrewsbury
5. Wolverhampton
6. Birmingham
7. Tipton
8. Oxford
9. Birmingham
10. Worcester
11. Birmingham
12. Birmingham
13. Coleshill
14. Birmingham
15. Sutton Coldfield

Not sure what that proves, other than traditionally WBA have fished pretty far and wide for a while. Bear in mind the majority of those lads would have been scouted whilst the old, and current Villa, regime were in charge.

Also,fyi, it was the first time they'd played 3-4-3, presumably as the new Head Coach wants to play that way. This is the first time in 10 years that I know of where the Academy has played a specific way to follow the Head Coach's wishes.
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« Reply #2176 on: July 29, 2021, 04:54:15 PM »
thank you an interesting piece of research.
It's good the that head coach is taking some interest in the U16/17s
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« Reply #2177 on: July 29, 2021, 05:07:49 PM »
...and as Ismael has a 4 year contract it certainly makes sense to have some consistency in style of player across the age groups.
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Re: Under 23's / Academy Thread
« Reply #2178 on: July 29, 2021, 05:15:47 PM »
Personally the only youth side I’d have matching the first team would be the U23s.

What’s the point in the 16 year olds abandoning full backs, the chances of VI lasting four years are slim.  In fact I’d possibly argue for 4-4-2 in the younger teams as it’s going to allow any type of player to flourish.
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« Reply #2179 on: July 29, 2021, 05:22:52 PM »
Quote from: johnny Cash on July 29, 2021, 05:15:47 PM
Personally the only youth side I’d have matching the first team would be the U23s.

What’s the point in the 16 year olds abandoning full backs, the chances of VI lasting four years are slim.  In fact I’d possibly argue for 4-4-2 in the younger teams as it’s going to allow any type of player to flourish.
I see your point but some of last years under 18s are already training with the 1st team and featuring in some of the pre season games. Also we can't really work off a model which assumes the manager is going to depart long before his contract ends.
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Re: Under 23's / Academy Thread
« Reply #2180 on: July 29, 2021, 05:41:41 PM »
Quote from: Adder on July 29, 2021, 05:22:52 PM
I see your point but some of last years under 18s are already training with the 1st team and featuring in some of the pre season games. Also we can't really work off a model which assumes the manager is going to depart long before his contract ends.

I don’t think it would be using a model that assumes the worst, I think it’s sensible based on the industry we are in. Theres no point putting VIs (or any other manger likely to turn up at WBA) ideology through the entire academy. Realistically we are likely to have 5 managers before a 10 year old makes a debut for us (or signs for Villa)
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Re: Under 23's / Academy Thread
« Reply #2181 on: July 29, 2021, 06:00:40 PM »
Quote from: johnny Cash on July 29, 2021, 05:41:41 PM
I don’t think it would be using a model that assumes the worst, I think it’s sensible based on the industry we are in. Theres no point putting VIs (or any other manger likely to turn up at WBA) ideology through the entire academy. Realistically we are likely to have 5 managers before a 10 year old makes a debut for us (or signs for Villa)
Yeah 10 year olds is taking it a bit far but I'd say there is some point with the under 18s. Our lads were clearly behind Villa in terms of physical development in the Youth cup semi. Hopefully that side of it is being looked at also whether under the influence by VI or not.
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Re: Under 23's / Academy Thread
« Reply #2182 on: July 29, 2021, 07:00:57 PM »
Quote from: johnny Cash on July 29, 2021, 05:41:41 PM
I don’t think it would be using a model that assumes the worst, I think it’s sensible based on the industry we are in. Theres no point putting VIs (or any other manger likely to turn up at WBA) ideology through the entire academy. Realistically we are likely to have 5 managers before a 10 year old makes a debut for us (or signs for Villa)

To clarify, we’ve been told the 16s will “dip in and out of” 3-4-3 during the season. This happened to be one of those occasions. Against Blues the previous Saturday it was 4-4-2.

10 year olds play 7 a side so it’s not applicable.
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Re: Under 23's / Academy Thread
« Reply #2183 on: August 04, 2021, 03:07:28 PM »
I personally think players shouldn't specialise into a position until they're at least 18, ideally later.

I think playing in a variety of positions gives a greater technical and mental understanding of the game, and adds versatility, which is usually a benefit.

Modern footballers are asked to do multiple jobs - defenders need to be able to bring the ball out of defence/pass through the lines, attackers need to press and link play.

I think when Mowbray was here he had all the youth teams playing possession football, which seemed sensible at the time.

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Re: Under 23's / Academy Thread
« Reply #2184 on: August 16, 2021, 07:29:43 PM »
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Re: Under 23's / Academy Thread
« Reply #2185 on: August 16, 2021, 07:32:32 PM »
Snodgrass in CM. Looks lethargic but that is understandable. I believe they are aiming to bring him back into frist team squad after Arsenal?
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Re: Under 23's / Academy Thread
« Reply #2186 on: August 16, 2021, 07:40:25 PM »
Don't know the numbers but I think Castro's been injured?

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Re: Under 23's / Academy Thread
« Reply #2187 on: August 16, 2021, 07:42:55 PM »
Quote from: NJS on August 16, 2021, 07:40:25 PM
Don't know the numbers but I think Castro's been injured?

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Castro was in CM with Snodgrass a minute ago. He's got the weird angled afro style haircut
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Re: Under 23's / Academy Thread
« Reply #2188 on: August 16, 2021, 07:43:17 PM »
Yep just saw him again. One of our strikers got injured a few mins ago
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Re: Under 23's / Academy Thread
« Reply #2189 on: August 16, 2021, 07:45:25 PM »
I thought it was Rico Richards that got injured
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Re: Under 23's / Academy Thread
« Reply #2190 on: August 16, 2021, 07:47:03 PM »
Where do you find the link?
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Re: Under 23's / Academy Thread
« Reply #2191 on: August 16, 2021, 07:47:37 PM »
Quote from: TLMS17 on August 16, 2021, 07:45:25 PM
I thought it was Rico Richards that got injured

It was Malcolm i believe. Richards was stood around at the time
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Re: Under 23's / Academy Thread
« Reply #2192 on: August 16, 2021, 07:47:59 PM »
Quote from: LiamTheBaggie on August 16, 2021, 07:47:03 PM
Where do you find the link?

https://www.wba.co.uk/video/live


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Re: Under 23's / Academy Thread
« Reply #2193 on: August 16, 2021, 07:49:00 PM »
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Re: Under 23's / Academy Thread
« Reply #2194 on: August 16, 2021, 07:56:48 PM »
Our No9 seems quite bright in link up play.
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Re: Under 23's / Academy Thread
« Reply #2195 on: August 16, 2021, 08:04:03 PM »
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Where do you find the link?

Somewhere ont tinternet I fink lad  ;D .
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Re: Under 23's / Academy Thread
« Reply #2196 on: August 16, 2021, 08:15:23 PM »
Quote from: SmethDan on August 16, 2021, 08:04:03 PM
Somewhere ont tinternet I fink lad  ;D .
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Re: Under 23's / Academy Thread
« Reply #2197 on: August 16, 2021, 08:20:43 PM »
Snodgrass is looking good in CM second half. A lot is going through him and he is passing the ball well.
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Re: Under 23's / Academy Thread
« Reply #2198 on: August 16, 2021, 08:21:52 PM »
2-0 Snodgrass pen
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Re: Under 23's / Academy Thread
« Reply #2199 on: August 16, 2021, 08:24:51 PM »
Mo Faal got the first, he’s the really tall no.9. Snodgrass got the 2nd from the spot.
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