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Title: Alan Irvine
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 14, 2014, 06:01:27 PM
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Albion delighted to announce Alan Irvine will be appointed as their new Head Coach. He has agreed a 12-month rolling contract #wba 1/3

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Irvine will complete his move to The Hawthorns once he has officially signed off from his current role as Everton’s academy manager 2/3

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Irvine will bring Rob Kelly to work as Joint-Assistant Head Coach alongside Keith Downing, whilst Dean Kiely will remain as GK Coach 3/3
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: graka on June 14, 2014, 06:03:03 PM
Shocking. Never mind saves old tight **** a few grand.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on June 14, 2014, 06:03:23 PM
I'm actually in shock  ???
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Nocky on June 14, 2014, 06:03:42 PM
Absolute farce. 5 weeks to appoint a man who hasn't worked in football for 3 years with his last act as manager being to relegate Wednesday. You couldn't make it up.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 14, 2014, 06:03:55 PM
F*** off. I give up.. biggest period for the club for a long time.. and we get Alan Irvine. Unbelievable.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 14, 2014, 06:04:40 PM
WBAFCofficial ‏@WBAFCofficial 57s

Terry Burton: "I'm delighted we have been able to secure the services of Alan and Rob.” 1/2
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: howi1068 on June 14, 2014, 06:05:06 PM
Not the first choice on my list. Not even on my list of candidates. Don't quite know what to say.  :o : :-X
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on June 14, 2014, 06:05:11 PM
I take it back about tim Sherwood I'd rather him than Irvine.

So so glad I waited to renew my season ticket.

After all I said earlier about JP and not making the same mistakes as before. It's probably true the other mistakes won't even be on the same level as Irvine.

Ridiculous choice and even more of a car crash than Sherwood.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: up_the_baggies on June 14, 2014, 06:05:19 PM
Jeremy Peace and Mark Jenkins have a LOT to answer for.

Another decision based upon wages and not football.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: shortybaggies on June 14, 2014, 06:05:34 PM
What a waste of my entire life. On a high for a few weeks, hoping for a turn in fortunes following last years bad year. And then we go an appoint Irvine. Absolute farce
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 14, 2014, 06:05:46 PM
I'm really angry. This doesn't feel like my club anymore.

What use JP's shares when we are down a league. Or even two.

I honestly feel like sitting next season out and I've never felt that before.

What Fing lesson have you learnt, Peace? I've nothing but contempt for you now you (omitted on legal advice)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mrmojorisin on June 14, 2014, 06:06:06 PM
So much for JP's comments that he was looking for someone better than Steve Clarke.  This is the most unexciting, underwhelming appointment.  Southampton get Koeman and what do we get...an old style nonentinty.

I wasn't keen on Sherwood and was hoping the reported other candidate in the frame would be an exciting young coach.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: stonexbaggie on June 14, 2014, 06:06:30 PM
What a joke - I hope they do refunds on season tickets
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 14, 2014, 06:06:38 PM
After 5 weeks where JP said he was looking to appoint a head coach with Premier league experience we appoint the academy coach from Everton.
This is a joke, no doubt JP will say that he is the boards first choice.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 14, 2014, 06:06:59 PM
Seriously wonder what goes through Peaces head and the arsewipes who are advising him. I really hope in 12 months we all have to eat our words and I will happily but don't expect anything other than relegation next season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on June 14, 2014, 06:07:24 PM
Glad I dont have a season ticket! GUTTED!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tommcneill on June 14, 2014, 06:07:40 PM
Woah! Never saw that coming!!

Erm............I dont know what too say

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: zac on June 14, 2014, 06:07:51 PM
Will be ringing up asking for a refund first thing Monday morning. I honestly thought this time he would get it right but yet again i should never have believed anything that came out his mouth! Pretty much gutted at the moment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBASPE77 on June 14, 2014, 06:08:12 PM
I am disgusted a shocking appointment Peace has gone one too far this time. Peace said a few weeks ago we wont make the same mistakes as previous occasions this appointment gives me no confidence what so ever.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dudleylad on June 14, 2014, 06:08:29 PM
A complete and utter joke of an appointment.

Gutless idiots....its back to jobs for the boys.

The only positive is I rate Rob Kelly.

If the players didnt respect Mel they aint going to respect him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 14, 2014, 06:08:32 PM
Here is his Prem experience:

"He has also managed Preston North End, who he took to the Championship Play-offs in 2009, and Sheffield Wednesday in the Championship and League One."

What's that? Oh yes, he hasn't got any! His best "achievement" has been to get Preston into the Championship play-offs! From Wikipedia:

"Irvine was appointed manager of Sheffield Wednesday on 8 January 2010. Wednesday got off to a good start under Irvine, winning games against Barnsley, Blackpool and Peterborough United. Irvine was named Championship Manager of the month for January 2010. This form was not sustained, however, as on the last day of the season Wednesday needed a home win against Crystal Palace to avoid relegation. The match ended in a 2–2 draw, relegating Wednesday to League One.

Wednesday then had severe financial issues, with the club appearing in court twice over winding up orders. Following the successful takeover by Milan Mandaric at the end of 2010, Irvine was allowed transfer funds to revamp his squad. Despite making several new signings, the team continued to have consistently poor results. On 3 February 2011, Wednesday sacked Irvine with the side lying 12th in League One
."

Well, Mr Peace, please do tell us exactly what it is that you've learned? We're dying to know!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggies on June 14, 2014, 06:09:03 PM
So, soooooo glad that I did not renew my season ticket. West Brom, you have let the fans down really badly this time. Relegates Sheffield Wednesday after being sacked by Preston, can't get another job elsewhere and then we come calling for him because he is cheap as chips. Unbelievable.

Jeremy Peace, you f****** waste of time. I was planning to watch a few games next season but I think I will stick to Rugby and non league where I feel that I am not being taken the p*** out of.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Welsh_Baggie on June 14, 2014, 06:09:46 PM
I'm really angry. This doesn't feel like my club anymore.

What use JP's shares when we are down a league. Or even two.

I honestly feel like sitting next season out and I've never felt that before.

What Fing lesson have you learnt, Peace? I've nothing but contempt for you now you (omitted on legal advice)

My sentiments exactly I am so angry at the club for this - I feel physically sick.

I will not be making the usual trips to The Hawthorns next season.

I thought that Pepe Mel was our worst appointment ever and the club go out of their way to prove me wrong.

Peace out!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 14, 2014, 06:10:40 PM
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Burton: "With the support of Keith and Dean, we firmly believe we have put in place the right coaching team to move the club forward.” 2/2
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 14, 2014, 06:11:23 PM
Here is his Prem experience:

"He has also managed Preston North End, who he took to the Championship Play-offs in 2009, and Sheffield Wednesday in the Championship and League One."

What's that? Oh yes, he hasn't got any! His best "achievement" has been to get Preston into the Championship play-offs! From Wikipedia:

"Irvine was appointed manager of Sheffield Wednesday on 8 January 2010. Wednesday got off to a good start under Irvine, winning games against Barnsley, Blackpool and Peterborough United. Irvine was named Championship Manager of the month for January 2010. This form was not sustained, however, as on the last day of the season Wednesday needed a home win against Crystal Palace to avoid relegation. The match ended in a 2–2 draw, relegating Wednesday to League One.

Wednesday then had severe financial issues, with the club appearing in court twice over winding up orders. Following the successful takeover by Milan Mandaric at the end of 2010, Irvine was allowed transfer funds to revamp his squad. Despite making several new signings, the team continued to have consistently poor results. On 3 February 2011, Wednesday sacked Irvine with the side lying 12th in League One
."

Well, Mr Peace, please do tell us exactly what it is that you've learned? We're dying to know!

I think he learned that we're all gullible mugs for believing anything that comes out of his mouth
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lonions on June 14, 2014, 06:11:34 PM
Well we now know why Peace was trying to get 75% to gain overall control!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie38 on June 14, 2014, 06:11:52 PM
This justifies my decision not to get a season ticket don't get me wrong I love the club always have always will but why should I pay out hard earned money when the guy at the top can't be bothered to show any ambition. I'm sick to death of our club taking the cheaper option. Question to the people who didn't want sherwood are you happy now? I'm so angry and let down its beyond belief.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tommcneill on June 14, 2014, 06:12:02 PM
Im going to give him his chance at the end of the day.

Not happy at the appointment in the slightest but he has to be supported
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on June 14, 2014, 06:12:09 PM
Instead of staying away I'll be going to games and voicing my utter disgust at Jeremy Peace and Mark Jenkins.

Absolutely pathetic.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: miggybaggy on June 14, 2014, 06:12:21 PM
How's this strange appointment going to attract the quality of playing staff we so desperately need? If anything, even more players will want away!

We're missing half a team, without half-decent replacements we'll be down by Christmas.  >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on June 14, 2014, 06:12:29 PM
Halesowen town next season for me!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: blue on June 14, 2014, 06:12:37 PM
Mid table championship club.

Thank you mr peace for totally destroying any ambition I had left .
You have your wish , now you can please leave my club alone , I am sure you have milked enough money from my club to be very rich.
I am totally weary and at an all time low but unlike you mr peace I will always support my Albion.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: garry on June 14, 2014, 06:12:42 PM
Tell me this is some kind of sick joke.
Or perhaps I'm dreaming and will wake up in a minute.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: east-stand-nick on June 14, 2014, 06:12:47 PM
How the **** can we go from Hodgson to Irvine in 2 years??
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 14, 2014, 06:12:54 PM
Same old same old, 'after weeks of due diligence we appointed Alan Irvine and his team as the are the best suited blah blah blah,
Its as insulting as it is untrue.
I still can't believe that they've done this to us.
5 weeks to appoint Alan Irvine.
At least tight arses phophecy of us being a Championship team looks like being fulfilled now
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on June 14, 2014, 06:13:13 PM
Is it Aprils Fools ?  Everything most of us feared with this cheap, nasty low key appointment to reply Mel.
Makes Steve Clarke's sound positively glowing !

Need to take this in !!!!!!

Peace Out !!!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 14, 2014, 06:13:18 PM
He's been widely dubbed as the worst manager Sheffield Wednesday have ever appointed.

A man who took a stable Championship club to a relegation battle in league one...

Just let that sink in.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on June 14, 2014, 06:13:49 PM
I'm shocked by this announcement but let me see if I can take any positives from it.
AI has come here with one coach accepted terms and will work with the dynamic duo. That makes a change for people we appoint.
He doesn't have a great record but that doesn't mean he won't bring change to our team. I cannot see him taking cr*p from the players. I'll give him the chance to bring in some new faces and mold a team before passing judgement.
Umm... and now I'm lost for words....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Welsh_Baggie on June 14, 2014, 06:14:03 PM
Usually I give the club the benefit of the doubt - but not this time.

This is a ludicrous appointment.

I should have applied myself apparently I'd have been taken seriously.

What a joke!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on June 14, 2014, 06:15:19 PM
eeeesh - takes a lot to make me head-butt the table

Why did we offload Pepe Mel again ?



Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: HampshireBaggie on June 14, 2014, 06:15:24 PM
I am absolutely fuming.

Apparently they expected a backlash. I thought the master plan was to get the fans back onside?

A terrible, unambitious, gutless appointment.

5 weeks + time we knew Mel was going to go and the best they could appoint was Alan Irvine.

I hope he makes me eat my words i really do. But there are some serious problems at our club and this has just shown that despite the early summer positivity, they are still there and will be for some time.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on June 14, 2014, 06:15:31 PM
A rubbish appointment  Not what we need at all!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on June 14, 2014, 06:16:13 PM
Last job was to take Wednesday down !   All but disappeared for last three years.......

Looks like we are, as a Club, preparing for the Championship when Peace is much more comfortable...............I'm one of idiots that renewed both our season tickets.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on June 14, 2014, 06:16:26 PM
What a joke - I hope they do refunds on season tickets

anyone who has purchased a season ticket should take it back and demand a refund, this clubs run by idiots,weve sacked better managers than Irvine will ever be,total fooking shambles.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on June 14, 2014, 06:16:31 PM
Bet Irvine feels like he's won the lottery! Jeremy Peace really can do just what he likes. 16k season ticket renewals in the bag then he does this!!!

Pinstripes next on his agenda.

Mexican waves at the first match of the season anyone?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on June 14, 2014, 06:16:37 PM
They probably thought if they announced it the day of the England game it would go under the radar! Obviously not

Can't wait to see what sort of players we attract now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 14, 2014, 06:16:54 PM
I was waiting for the new head coach to be appointment before renewing my season ticket. I don't have the heart to renew now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smosher34 on June 14, 2014, 06:17:01 PM
is this a joke or what !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Manager_Markets on June 14, 2014, 06:17:05 PM
I actually had to Google Irvine to find out who he was...

I'm struggling to see how you go from holding talks with Moyes, to giving the job to his fking tea boy!!

 ???
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: albionicus on June 14, 2014, 06:17:12 PM
Another f@@@ing jock mediocre no one. I am well peeed off with this clubs decision making. No prem experience, done nothing, going nowhere but down.
He will certainly attract top players, not.

Jesus christ what the hell is going on- what a great day for Wolves fans.

F him off now
5 weeks of negotiations for this.......

IRVINE OUT
I ain't going up again
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on June 14, 2014, 06:17:29 PM
PATHETIC!!!!!!!!!so much wrong and hypocritical in this decision makes a total nonsense of the last 10 years let alone the Bald ones statement of a few weeks ago,secretarys going to be busy fielding transfer requests in the next few days i feel!! >:( >:( >:( >:( Laughing stock of the midland we know what we are. Two fingers openly stuck up at the supporters!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on June 14, 2014, 06:17:35 PM
words cannot explain this appointment, they will be doing this all again by September when we are firmly rooted to the bottom of the premiership
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maximus on June 14, 2014, 06:17:39 PM
Another SC situation all over again, Appoint a number 2.

Just didn't expect him at all, We'll see how it all pans out, Getting rid of Mel for Irvine.  :-\
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on June 14, 2014, 06:17:44 PM
Serious question, would ANY team in the Championship be happy with Alan Irvine?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: koren on June 14, 2014, 06:17:46 PM
You said a lesson has been learnt but you still appoint an inexperienced man as a head coach.Shocked as I read this news.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mulliganstired on June 14, 2014, 06:17:54 PM
Im going to give him his chance at the end of the day.

Not happy at the appointment in the slightest but he has to be supported

Yup, can we give him a chance at least?  I'm not happy, but I never liked the idea of Sherwood, I thought he'd be gone by Xmas with us in the bottom three.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Sessegod on June 14, 2014, 06:18:19 PM
This makes the Sherwood appointment look like genius.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Astle1968 on June 14, 2014, 06:18:22 PM
Genuinely cant believe this. What the f*** were they thinking

And to think I didnt want Sherwood
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 14, 2014, 06:18:27 PM
WBAFCofficial ‏@WBAFCofficial 7m

Burton: "With the support of Keith and Dean, we firmly believe we have put in place the right coaching team to move the club forward.” 2/2

And, in a nutshell, that's what it boils down to at the end of the day. In the world Peace lives in, that's more important than anything else (oh and the cheapness of course). Absolutely mind-boggling.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 14, 2014, 06:19:07 PM
I actually had to Google Irvine to find out who he was...

I'm struggling to see how you go from holding talks with Moyes, to giving the job to his fking tea boy!!

 ???

Obviously the talks with Moyes were to ask him about Irvine.. jesus.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: iwastherein68 on June 14, 2014, 06:19:56 PM
Think you will find Rob Kelly is another ex-dingle from the Downing era, bet they are loving this
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albion79 on June 14, 2014, 06:20:13 PM
As said above i shall be giving him a chance but i have a bad feeling about this, there is a lot of resentment towards staff at the club as it is, Irvine is going to have to work twice as hard just to be given a chance, we needed somebody who could unite everyone, i dont think this appointment has done that.

Irvines track record isnt outstanding and to say i am shocked is an understatement, the players seemed to lack respect for Pepe Mel and i cant see how this appointment is much different.

We have to give him a chance though ,I can only think he is appointed as he seems to be quite academy driven so he will try and introduce younger players and that we have a footballing director of football  in Burton (if that makes any sense) so i would assume Irvines main duties will be coaching, lets hope he brings a lot of young hungry players to the club as well as promoting our own.

That said this is a huge risk, I have backed JP from Day one as think overall he has done a very good job, but initial thoughts this looks a strange appointment and a big risk (all appointments are to a certain extent) and if it goes wrong then he really has to question if he is the right man to to keep running the club.

Good luck Alan, you are going to need it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBASPE77 on June 14, 2014, 06:20:19 PM
I'm amazed and very angry. Irvine has not been linked to any job even in the Championship over the last three years how on earth does he manage to get a Premiership club. Peace is desperate to make us a mid table Championship club. I had one or two doubts about Sherwood but surely he would be a better fit than Irvine. I really hope I'm proved wrong. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on June 14, 2014, 06:20:33 PM
I'm honestly stunned and now I'm laughing. I really can't believe we've appointed Alan Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie38 on June 14, 2014, 06:21:19 PM
All I can suggest to people is vote with your money and get a refund on your season ticket.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 14, 2014, 06:22:09 PM
The real problem here is that, when we are bottom at Christmas, with a not quite right squad and this muppet in charge, THEN who will come and be our next coach?

We have finally scraped that barrel, folks.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smosher34 on June 14, 2014, 06:22:14 PM
not 1 single good word on here says it all championship here we come ! I am fuming at this a joke a yes man to keep downing and denno
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 14, 2014, 06:22:39 PM
Why not Zola, Hughton or Mackay? Why go all the way down to Irvine.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: fentbaggie on June 14, 2014, 06:23:06 PM
Booger me!!!! If old tight backside spends all the money saved on a raft of quality signings this Summer seeing as he's obviously spent a fiver and a balti pie on the manager, then it'll be only slightly less farcical.

This is a make or break decision. If this backfires, which let's face it, is more likely than not, Peace needs to sell up and pee off.

Christ on a bike - what kind of wages must Sherwoods boys have been looking for ffs???

***Waiting on all the money spent on brilliant signings before August 31st......***

 :o  :o  :o
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on June 14, 2014, 06:23:43 PM
Halesowen town next season for me!


Rushall now Sneekers is in charge.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: frankieb on June 14, 2014, 06:24:05 PM
What a complete joke and a joke of a club. Well peace said we are a championship team and now he's put the structure in place. What must pepe fell like. I destest Jeremy Peace.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on June 14, 2014, 06:24:16 PM
is all that springs to mind upon hearing this shocking and totally left of centre news...............

Peace back where he's comfortable with loads of Prem dosh swilling around the Club !
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bednarsboingboing balls on June 14, 2014, 06:25:11 PM
what a load of rubbish ,peace out mass demo needed ,one big joke
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: benalbion on June 14, 2014, 06:26:06 PM
absolute joke. stumbling block for Sherwood was wages my backside, so obvious kiely and downing are not going be moved only Irvine is stupid enough to agree to work with them. massive struggle for us in the near future until we have the b##ls to have a clear out we desperately need
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gerry m on June 14, 2014, 06:26:22 PM
When i saw this on facebook i thought it was a joke post! Now i realise its true. I dont want to be nasty to the man but is this the best we can do.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on June 14, 2014, 06:26:36 PM
We won't now get the interest of seeing what Sherwood can do- if it ultimately failed at least it would have been interesting.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on June 14, 2014, 06:26:57 PM
He's been widely dubbed as the worst manager Sheffield Wednesday have ever appointed.

A man who took a stable Championship club to a relegation battle in league one...

Just let that sink in.


My brothering law is a BIG OWL 'S fan & would agree with that statement 100%. he hasnt stopped tacking the **** for the last 15 mins my phones on melt down.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Andio on June 14, 2014, 06:27:46 PM
I will wake up in a minute, I'm sure of it.

WTF you thinking Peace? GTFO.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 14, 2014, 06:28:10 PM
What a complete joke and a joke of a club. Well peace said we are a championship team and now he's put the structure in place. What must pepe fell like. I destest Jeremy Peace.

So do I. I'm not going to a single game next season. This jumped up, arrogant, ignorant moron needs to see how we feel. Hit his bloody pocket.

Hughton suddenly sounds SEXY.

I'm finding out where Pepe Mel goes next season and going to spend the money going over to watch his club.

MAD AS!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggieboy74 on June 14, 2014, 06:28:20 PM
We should choose a day and all go and demonstrate. I also had to google him. What a joke.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: 17GD on June 14, 2014, 06:28:29 PM
Haha.

I haven't logged on for I don't know how long because of pure frustration with WBA in general, but I just had to log on in order to laugh at this. I really do feel sorry for all those season tickets!

Haven't been up much last season and definitely will NOT being going up this season. What a joke haha.

In my job, working with kids, football always crops up. Kids always ask who I support and I used to tell them, but recently I've been finding myself saying 'no one in particular'. This is proving to be a better tactic as I will no longer get people constantly asking me about the pathetic displays week in and week out. And now add this to the equation!

"Irvine, Irvine, who the f*** is Irvine?!" could be a song for next season perhaps? (To the Roy Chubby Brown song).

Football, it's a funny old game! And I don't think I'll stop laughing for some time!

Irvine?! Hahahaha.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie96 on June 14, 2014, 06:28:34 PM
Awful appointment. Can't get moyes so get his former assistant. Genuinely shocked. Thought we were getting the best english speaking manager available?!

My only hope is that he will play good football now as he was at Everton last year and Martinez must have told him to?

Nevertheless worse appointment for over 10 years!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lonions on June 14, 2014, 06:28:44 PM
How can he appoint a man thats taken two teams too league one in as many seasons?

I think im going to cry into my pint!  :'(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Welsh_Baggie on June 14, 2014, 06:28:48 PM
We won't now get the interest of seeing what Sherwood can do- if it ultimately failed at least it would have been interesting.

Very true Sherwood would have been a gamble but it was an interesting one.

This is an awful appointment - there is not a single Premier League team other than us who would have even interviewed Alan Irvine.

May as well have appointed Dave Jones.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Andio on June 14, 2014, 06:29:25 PM
We should choose a day and all go and demonstrate. I also had to google him. What a joke.

This sounds like a very good plan.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on June 14, 2014, 06:30:09 PM
Even I cannot believe this appointment.

I always said whoever was appointed we have to be behind him and whilst that logic still applies it is very difficult not to feel deflated. It's hard to see us not going down at this moment in time, there seems nothing positive at the club at all - we look a club all over that's going on the slide.

I hope I'm wrong, obviously, but I'm sort of feeling our spell in the top flight is coming to an end.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 14, 2014, 06:30:47 PM
Can't get moyes so get his former assistant.
Despite the club trying to big up Irvine's role at Everton, he wasn't Moyes' assistant.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: boing_boing68 on June 14, 2014, 06:30:57 PM
Just out of interest what type of football does irvine play?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Welsh_Baggie on June 14, 2014, 06:31:00 PM
This sounds like a very good plan.

Absolutely - I will drive up from Cardiff especially.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bednarsboingboing balls on June 14, 2014, 06:31:07 PM
This sounds like a very good plan.
first home game and every home game
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 14, 2014, 06:31:16 PM
We should choose a day and all go and demonstrate. I also had to google him. What a joke.

I'm up for that, I'd travel down for it for sure.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 14, 2014, 06:31:59 PM
I mean, I never thought we would be in a position where we actually recruit someone worse than Dave Jones. I feel like crying.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: koren on June 14, 2014, 06:32:05 PM
For anyone interested.


Managerial statistics
                                 Matches W      D   L     Win %
Preston North End      111      45     26   40   40.54
Sheffield Wednesday   59      24     13   22   40.68
                          Total  170      69   39   62   40.59
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: east-stand-nick on June 14, 2014, 06:32:15 PM
Just out of interest what type of football does irvine play?

The "get stable Championship clubs relegated" kind.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on June 14, 2014, 06:33:01 PM
Just out of interest what type of football does irvine play?

According to my brother-in-law rubbish   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 14, 2014, 06:33:25 PM
Irvine should play the lottery later..
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Avonbaggie on June 14, 2014, 06:33:45 PM
Absolute joke. There are a hell of alot of people I didn't want, but even all of those came above this bloke !!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: darby009 on June 14, 2014, 06:34:09 PM
simple answer, send a message like villa did with ALEX M, he is not wanted, boycott the ground..

I personally will not give the club a single penny of my money this season, glad I waited to renew....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 14, 2014, 06:34:48 PM
Just tweeted by Chris Lepkowski:

"Downing and Kelly are very good pals from time at WW"
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: east-stand-nick on June 14, 2014, 06:36:06 PM
Just tweeted by Chris Lepkowski:

"Downing and Kelly are very good pals from time at WW"

Just sums it up really doesn't it. Anyone still got the Bobby Gould coffin?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on June 14, 2014, 06:36:20 PM
Just tweeted by Chris Lepkowski:

"Downing and Kelly are very good pals from time at WW"


These pair are obviously a big problem at the club, everything it seems has to revolve around them. God knows why they are hardly Clough and Taylor are they?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on June 14, 2014, 06:36:21 PM
Sack Mel, then dally about for 5 weeks before appointing Irvine. Wow.

I was already losing interest in Albion due to the decisions being made over the last 18 months or so, but this has just confirmed it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: miggybaggy on June 14, 2014, 06:36:28 PM
I hate football. >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on June 14, 2014, 06:36:38 PM
Oh dear, what a rubbish appointment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: iwastherein68 on June 14, 2014, 06:37:19 PM
Just tweeted by Chris Lepkowski:

"Downing and Kelly are very good pals from time at WW"
Told ya day I
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kendo on June 14, 2014, 06:38:16 PM
What a load of rubbish, we wait nearly 5 weeks for that. we are just a laughing stock. What was all the rubbish about not making the same mistakes, I  think we can safely say this is worse. I dread to think what type of players we will attract, if any. All JP crappy speech counts for nothing. Anyway playing in the rubbish new strip will just about put the finishing touch to it all. I bet theres a few people down the road laughing there socks off. OOPS sorry don't mention socks. I think after all the years I have followed WBA its time to get a life. and sod em.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on June 14, 2014, 06:40:08 PM
From my bit of research, Irvine is leaving a job as Academy chief at Everton for us (hence why he's not managed in the league for a while). Between him and Sherwood's tendency to use young players I think it tells you in which direction Peace wants to go.. He really wants the academy producing something it seems.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: koren on June 14, 2014, 06:40:11 PM
From wiki

Irvine took over as manager of Preston North End on 20 November 2007 with Preston in a relegation battle. He guided Preston to a respectable 15th place in the 2007–08 season. In his first full season in charge, Irvine led Preston to the play-offs when on a dramatic final day of the season.After that he was named the Championship Manager of the Month for April. Preston lost their play-off semi-final to Sheffield United 2–1 on aggregate. He was sacked on 29 December 2009 after Preston suffered a poor run of results where the team only won once in 10 games.

Irvine was appointed manager of Sheffield Wednesday on 8 January 2010.Wednesday got off to a good start under Irvine. Irvine was named Championship Manager of the month for January 2010. This form was not sustained, however, as the last game of the season ended in a 2–2 draw, relegating Wednesday to League One.

 Despite making several new signings, the team continued to have consistently poor results. On 3 February 2011, Wednesday sacked Irvine with the side lying 12th in League One.


RDM,Clarke type manager,helpless to lead the team out of the plight.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie96 on June 14, 2014, 06:40:16 PM
Despite the club trying to big up Irvine's role at Everton, he wasn't Moyes' assistant.

I know, he was at Preston.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bednarsboingboing balls on June 14, 2014, 06:40:24 PM
What a load of rubbish, we wait nearly 5 weeks for that. we are just a laughing stock. What was all the rubbish about not making the same mistakes, I  think we can safely say this is worse. I dread to think what type of players we will attract, if any. All JP crappy speech counts for nothing. Anyway playing in the rubbish new strip will just about put the finishing touch to it all. I bet theres a few people down the road laughing there socks off. OOPS sorry don't mention socks. I think after all the years I have followed WBA its time to get a life. and sod em.
yes sod kendo , vote with our feet might make peace **** off
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: miggybaggy on June 14, 2014, 06:40:29 PM
I bet most of the remains of our 1st team are texting their agents as we speak!  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gerry m on June 14, 2014, 06:40:35 PM
If this is the calibre of coach we are bringing in, what sort of calibre of players are we looking at ???
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on June 14, 2014, 06:40:44 PM
What an opportunity to turn a negative year around with an interesting, passionate you g coach. Irvine gets no chance from me he needs to prove to us all why he has got the job , my faith in Peace has been destroyed. This is a huge gamble and I'm convinced it won't pay off.

I'm in utter shock.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on June 14, 2014, 06:40:51 PM
I would encourage a many of you as possible to get refunds on your season tickets. Seriously. We, as a fan base, have been taken for mugs.

Jeremy's statement of intent leads to nothing. We've appointed a man with no premier league experience, who relegated his last club, has little to no personality and will do nothing to inspire / attract players to the club. At a time when the fan base needed to be united in our venture forwards.

Whats worse, we've given him a 12 month rolling contract. In 4 months time we know that the players won't have any assurances over his future, will give up the ghost, and we'll be relegated.

I am furious. Beyond angry. This might be the last straw for me and this club. I'll put my effort in to local clubs like Bromsgrove and Kiddy.

Ask yourselves why, too. Its because JP is too tight with the purse strings, is too detached from the fan base and is too protective of the back room coaching staff.

We're going to be relegated, with a whimper. I genuinely have little regard for our chairman anymore, and he can f*** off in to the sunset with his profits.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 14, 2014, 06:40:58 PM
This is confirmation that Peace doesn't give a toss about the supporters of our club. I sent him an email before Mel departed and another email two weeks ago. All I got was the standard email response that the emails had been passed on to the appropriate department. Well you've done it now, there us no way that I am renewing my season ticket now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on June 14, 2014, 06:41:08 PM
We should just storm the place this must be the worst thing he's ever done
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 14, 2014, 06:41:13 PM
12th In League One.. his last job.. 3 YEARS AGO.. Brilliant, absolutely Brilliant.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bednarsboingboing balls on June 14, 2014, 06:41:19 PM
I bet most of the remains of our 1st team are texting their agents as we speak!  ;D
who cares they can all go
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on June 14, 2014, 06:41:48 PM
Ive followed the Albion all my life right from when the doctor smacked my back side & out came west brom & i can honestly say i have NEVER EVER FELT SO PEE'D OFF.
My glass is always half full but ive just smashed it off the wall.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cads_ap_albion on June 14, 2014, 06:42:02 PM
I said a week ago we'd get a **** appointment on night of England game.

burying the news.

I'm in shock.

utterly utterly underwhelmed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 14, 2014, 06:42:25 PM
You can also tell from this appointment how the transfer window will go regards to spending..
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Welsh_Baggie on June 14, 2014, 06:42:43 PM
We weren't even looking in the right place; others interviewed were: Hughton, Zola, McDermott and Herve.

Speechless

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on June 14, 2014, 06:44:15 PM
In two years we've gone from current England manager Roy Hodgson to sacked league one manager Alan Irvine. We should have kept Steve Clarke.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 14, 2014, 06:45:43 PM
I would encourage a many of you as possible to get refunds on your season tickets. Seriously. We, as a fan base, have been taken for mugs.

Jeremy's statement of intent leads to nothing. We've appointed a man with no premier league experience, who relegated his last club, has little to no personality and will do nothing to inspire / attract players to the club. At a time when the fan base needed to be united in our venture forwards.

Whats worse, we've given him a 12 month rolling contract. In 4 months time we know that the players won't have any assurances over his future, will give up the ghost, and we'll be relegated.

I am furious. Beyond angry. This might be the last straw for me and this club. I'll put my effort in to local clubs like Bromsgrove and Kiddy.

Ask yourselves why, too. Its because JP is too tight with the purse strings, is too detached from the fan base and is too protective of the back room coaching staff.

We're going to be relegated, with a whimper. I genuinely have little regard for our chairman anymore, and he can f*ck off in to the sunset with his profits.

Absolutely 100%
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on June 14, 2014, 06:46:29 PM
Funny how our relegation odds have just shortened dramatically.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 14, 2014, 06:47:28 PM
Steve Madeley of the E&S obviously has his finger on the Albion forum pulse:

"despite the prospect of a luke warm reaction from supporters, the Baggies believe Irvine’s widely-acknowledged expertise on the training ground can reinvigorate a squad still yearning for former boss Roy Hodgson"

Him and Chris Lepkowski regularly point out that their job is to report news and, if the news is bad it's not their fault and, after all, they're not part of the Club's PR department. In which case, I look forward to the headlines later today or tomorrow stating "Albion fans in uproar over Irvine appointment". Do you think it'll happen?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie38 on June 14, 2014, 06:47:39 PM
Tempted to write a letter to the chairman explaining why I won't be getting a season ticket and why do many of us feel so down hearted.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on June 14, 2014, 06:47:43 PM
You can also tell from this appointment how the transfer window will go regards to spending..


Who of any quality is going to want to come here?

NO AMBITION AT ALL at West Bromwich Albion.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Roolee on June 14, 2014, 06:48:01 PM
All I can suggest to people is vote with your money and get a refund on your season ticket.

Can we do that? I know Villa allow you refund up to the first game.  Anyone know if we can actually get a refund?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Welsh_Baggie on June 14, 2014, 06:48:28 PM
Funny how our relegation odds have just shortened dramatically.

3/1 i'd say the bookies are being very generous - i'd have us odds on.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 14, 2014, 06:48:49 PM
I said a week ago we'd get a poo appointment on night of England game.

burying the news.

I'm in shock.

utterly utterly underwhelmed.

Hats off. Looks like you were right.

My head tells me we have to give the bloke a chance, that JP knows what he's doing, that Burton rates the guy.

My heart is too dismayed to tell me anything.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 14, 2014, 06:49:08 PM
Just out of interest what type of football does irvine play?

Extremely negative football.

Plenty of hoof ball.

And god help us if we ever take a lead because we will spend the remainder of the game trying to defend it.

At SWFC he set his team up to defend a for the remainder of the game when they were losing 1-0.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 14, 2014, 06:49:34 PM
Was looking forward to the England game.. not about more. This has put me right off football. Thanks Peace.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie96 on June 14, 2014, 06:50:07 PM
In all seriousness how do we convince players to join us now?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: chippy49 on June 14, 2014, 06:50:42 PM
In two years we've gone from current England manager Roy Hodgson to sacked league one manager Alan Irvine. We should have kept Steve Clarke.
wasnt alan irvine a albion target about 10 years ago.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on June 14, 2014, 06:51:00 PM
3/1 i'd say the bookies are being very generous - i'd have us odds on.


It's an absolute steal IMO. I think we are certs to go down. We nearly did last season and we've lost about ten players from that squad and any replacements I can't see being very inspiring. Practically ALL the fans now feel downtrodden. The place has the stench of defeat all round it.

Well done Peace you couldn't have done more damage if you tried.

Get your money on. 3/1 is a great price.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on June 14, 2014, 06:51:25 PM
YES this looks like a bad appointment but lets see who we can sign before the season.
Is there anyone decent we can poach from Everton?
I'm trying to stay positive but I just feel so deflated.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 14, 2014, 06:51:31 PM
In all seriousness how do we convince players to join us now?

We dont, I think this is the aim of the board.

We will have a dreadful transfer window aswell.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Blowee on June 14, 2014, 06:52:10 PM
Surely a blatant attempt to reduce the share price? Smart move Mr peace!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Roolee on June 14, 2014, 06:53:17 PM
From my bit of research, Irvine is leaving a job as Academy chief at Everton for us (hence why he's not managed in the league for a while). Between him and Sherwood's tendency to use young players I think it tells you in which direction Peace wants to go.. He really wants the academy producing something it seems.

Then we will lose any that are any good to Chelsea.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on June 14, 2014, 06:53:45 PM
How much do we know about Rob Kelly ? I see he was with Irvine at Sheff Wed which is hardly a positive.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: geoff on June 14, 2014, 06:54:36 PM
In two years we've gone from current England manager Roy Hodgson to sacked league one manager Alan Irvine. We should have kept Steve Clarke.

F--k Clark should have kept Pepe Mel.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 14, 2014, 06:55:07 PM
How much do we know about Rob Kelly ? I see he was with Irvine at Sheff Wed which is hardly a positive.

He worked with Mad Billy Davies at Nottingham Forest too.

wasnt alan irvine a albion target about 10 years ago.

He was a target before we appointed RDM.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: saml30 on June 14, 2014, 06:57:02 PM
I'm just a bit speechless, keep going to post on here but words can't describe how upset I am, feel worse than when we lost to derby at wembley, just in shock
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Nocky on June 14, 2014, 06:57:14 PM
Farcial. Comical. Illogical. Bemusing. Scandalous. Unbelievable. I've backed Peace but on the face if it, this looks like yet another shocking decision. Where's the ambition? Where's the forward thinking? We were told of the high calibre of candidates applying for the job yet we end up with Alan Irvine. It just doesn't add up. The way Peace is running this club is no longer fit for purpose. He's running us into the ground.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on June 14, 2014, 06:59:41 PM
Where's the ambition? Where's the forward thinking?


The fact that we have a 26,000 stadium should answer you that question. I'd expect a promoted club like Carlisle to have a ground that size not a club that was a founder member of the league, FA Cup winners five times with 5 million people living around them.

Pathetic, no ambition whatsoever.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 14, 2014, 07:00:27 PM
Extremely negative football.

Plenty of hoof ball.

And god help us if we ever take a lead because we will spend the remainder of the game trying to defend it.

At SWFC he set his team up to defend a for the remainder of the game when they were losing 1-0.

Shine on, where are we going to get these 'defenders' from??!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: blue on June 14, 2014, 07:00:40 PM
I really hope chris lep and steve madely report the true feeling of the fans.
Their is widespread meltdown.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 14, 2014, 07:01:10 PM
Yet again my Saturday evening is ruined by West Brom, even when we are not playing FFS.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on June 14, 2014, 07:05:06 PM
5 weeks of 'due diligence' and they appoint someone who has no experience at this level, and he last senior job was 3 years ago with a team 2 divisions lower.  This is not the best person available for the job.  He might be the cheapest person available for the job.

Nothing against Alan Irvine.  Its not his fault he's been appointed, but he is under real pressure from day zero.  I don't think he has any idea of what he's walked into.

It is just an incredible decision.

I hope Peace has a buyer lined up right now.  By September his £80m asset will be floundering, the 'customers' will be absent or revolting and it won't be an attractive purchase. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 14, 2014, 07:05:54 PM
I have just sent an email addressed to Peace, I done expect an answer for him but I have said that now he has killed all the love I have had for the club that I have supported for 45 years.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 14, 2014, 07:06:35 PM
Some tweets I've seen from Sheff Wed fans:

"Alan Irvine was responsible for the worst football at #swfc in the past 20 years"

"Alan Irvine is shocking and VERY defensive minded #swfc"
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbhc7 on June 14, 2014, 07:06:54 PM
What I can't believe is that its reported he 'impressed in onterviews'. Do people get a job purely on an interview? Do employers not look at previous experience and track record?

Should Premiership clubs be employing off blagged interviews?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: macc_baggie on June 14, 2014, 07:07:34 PM
I feel sorry for Irvine, and I'll back him as i would with any other manager, but.

What are the board playing at? The most uninspired insipid appointment possible. He won't attract players, he won't inspire fans and I doubt he'll get us playing good enough football to stay up.

I genuinely feel vaguely sick at the prospect of this. We need to rebuild a team, and now I'm very much getting behind the camp of people who think we need to rebuild the ownership too. I've backed Peace a lot, but this is really too much. A 1 year rolling contract too? Just demonstrates an utter lack of faith from the board in his capabilities to.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on June 14, 2014, 07:07:56 PM
If they couldn't get a bigger name why the hell didn't they go for McInnes ? , I always praised JP but i suspect he is winding the club down now. That said got to give the Irvine a fair chance.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 14, 2014, 07:08:06 PM
I'm a member on a Sheffield Wednesday forum and asked them about Alan Irvine.

Here are their comments - they don't make for comfortable reading.

http://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic/213791-alan-irvine/
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on June 14, 2014, 07:08:42 PM
My son came out to tell me we had appointed Irvine... I thought he was joking.  I still hope that there is some wire loose, or someone has hacked the Albion's internet for a laugh.  However, I know they have not. I am truly stunned.  There is no rationale, or logic to what has been done here.  Surely this cannot be in Peace's interests either?  The club is his biggest asset and running the club into the ground cannot be in his best interest.  I feel depressed and frankly a bit sick.

However, I would also counsel that we need to avoid the doom loop.  At least to start with, lets get behind the team, though agree it is now going to be mighty difficult now to attract good players in and to retain our best. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 14, 2014, 07:08:47 PM
What I can't believe is that its reported he 'impressed in interviews'.
He probably impressed them by saying - "I'd like to bring in Rob Kelly as my chosen coach and he's great mates with Keith Downing, you know...."
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: royhan on June 14, 2014, 07:09:25 PM
My summer is ruined with this scandalous appointment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 14, 2014, 07:09:53 PM
I'm a member on a Sheffield Wednesday forum and asked them about Alan Irvine.

Here are their comments - they don't make for comfortable reading.

http://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic/213791-alan-irvine/

Link doesn't work, but I assume they're not overly flattering
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 14, 2014, 07:11:00 PM
This is a complete and utter disgrace and a right kick in the bawlox for baggies fans, Peace you are a complete and utter twonk.

Sherwood I forgive you.

You are also guttless, releasing this just before the England game to try and deflect any critism you ......
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 14, 2014, 07:11:21 PM
My summer is ruined with this scandalous appointment.


Same, any hope or optimism gone with this. Even put a downer on the World Cup for me.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie38 on June 14, 2014, 07:12:07 PM
I have just sent an email addressed to Peace, I done expect an answer for him but I have said that now he has killed all the love I have had for the club that I have supported for 45 years.

What's his email address?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggy nerd on June 14, 2014, 07:12:44 PM
As I commented earlier I thought that Irvine and that Jesus bloke may have been interviewed by the way they suddenly rose to the top of the  betting. It is still a surprise though. Seem to remember he started out OK at Preston but Sheff Wed was a disaster.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 14, 2014, 07:13:00 PM
Link doesn't work, but I assume they're not overly flattering

Ah. You have to be a member to access. I'll post the worst of the comments.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on June 14, 2014, 07:14:13 PM
Just out of interest what type of football does irvine play?

The sort that let's the opposition score more than you
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on June 14, 2014, 07:14:37 PM
I am appalled - supporting Albion for 45 years this has to rank as the most underwhelming appointment ever. Peace has taken the cheap option yet again. I seriously thought that he had taken on board what had gone wrong last season. It seems to me he has used Mel or SC's salary to get Burton and Irvine in with some left over.
I feel very very flat!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 14, 2014, 07:14:58 PM
Ah. You have to be a member to access. I'll post the worst of the comments.
You should post the best of the comments and, if they're bad, we'll definitely know that we're screwed!  >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: alwaysbilly on June 14, 2014, 07:15:10 PM
WBAFCofficial @WBAFCofficial  ·  4m

Albion delighted to announce Alan Irvine will be appointed as their new Head Coach. He has agreed a 12-month rolling contract #wba 1/3

 WBAFCofficial @WBAFCofficial  ·  4m

Irvine will complete his move to The Hawthorns once he has officially signed off from his current role as Everton’s academy manager 2/3

 WBAFCofficial @WBAFCofficial  ·  3m

Irvine will bring Rob Kelly to work as Joint-Assistant Head Coach alongside Keith Downing, whilst Dean Kiely will remain as GK Coach 3/3
I want a refund - I am sitting here in shock and actually feel sick
Halesowen town for me
Unreal - ruined my night
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on June 14, 2014, 07:15:14 PM
Some tweets I've seen from Sheff Wed fans:

""Alan Irvine is shocking and VERY defensive minded #swfc"

That may have been a plus if we had some defenders. All we have left are a couple of carthorses and some old nags. defend with that Mr Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: miggybaggy on June 14, 2014, 07:15:19 PM
Lineker just asked Neil Lennon if he'd expressed an interest in the job.....Lennon couldn't wait to say NOOO! I wonder why?  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 14, 2014, 07:15:35 PM
Just out of interest what type of football does irvine play?

The worst Sheffield Wednesday fans have seen apparently...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Avonbaggie on June 14, 2014, 07:16:24 PM
On the Albion press release it says about it coming down to two oustanding candidates BUT we appointed Irvine... Is that saying he was one of those two or was someone else we decided on as the cheap 12 month option.

I've always learnt to ignore everything said before the BUT in a sentence.

Still fuming... :-\
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on June 14, 2014, 07:16:32 PM
The only positive I can see, is that my contact, and me by proxy, comes out with some credibility with the little bit of info he gave me and I passed on. Definitely a left field appointment.

The local papers need to pull their fingers out and report the fans reaction to this. Peace won't read letters, Garlick couldn't care less. They've saved money so that's all that matters.

Brum Mail and E&S have an open goal here - 'Fan's fury at Irvine appointment' - 'Fans threaten season ticket refunds' I could go on and on ...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albion79 on June 14, 2014, 07:17:15 PM
I think we have to make sure we have some calm here, i am as disappointed as anybody with Irvine but now he is here, surely lets give him a chance.

Those that are that **** off and want a refund on their season tickets then fair play to them, thats their choice but all the talk of protests, banners, etc before we have even kicked a ball  seems a bit odd.

Why not give Irvine a chance, it dont seem like it now but he could turn out to be an inspired appointment (i dont actually think he will but prepared to give him the chance) We could by having a great season by Xmas and we are all delighted.

However if come xmas we are a shambles, then i think that would be the time to let JP know the thoughts as if we rubbish, then thats a few decisions he would of got wrong on the bounce, some of which were very unusual (this included if it dont worl) and that couldnt carry on.

Basically i hope we give Irvine a chance and see what happens, if it goes good then we are all happy, if it dont then JP knows whats coming.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 14, 2014, 07:17:26 PM
Well anyway, welcome Alan, and good luck mate.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 14, 2014, 07:17:39 PM
Can someone please answer this question I am completely serious:

Is it possible to cancel a season ticket?

I feel robbed tbh

CL replied to someone who asked.

Chris Lepkowski @chrislepkowski  ·  22m
@RossMaddock I would consult @fabwba. Think you can - he did
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbako on June 14, 2014, 07:17:48 PM
Releasing this abysmal news on the day England start their world cup campaign is a definite attempt to bury bad news. It's not going to work though.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on June 14, 2014, 07:17:57 PM
Link doesn't work, but I assume they're not overly flattering
Probably as flattering as Bristol City Fans would be to Mcinnes, OR Liverpool fans were to Hodgson.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: jazzswinger on June 14, 2014, 07:18:26 PM
how about a public blatant boycott of new sponsors products when they are announced and also the new strip, it's the only message our jezza will listen to
....pretty annoyed
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kamarasboot on June 14, 2014, 07:19:42 PM
Jp has obviously been told by Mel and Sherwood (and probably other during 'due diligence') exactly how much it'll cost to rebuild the squad properly and opted for a bloke that will bring through academy players that don't need buying.
The 12 month contract smacks of no belief in their own appointment, the behavioural aspect of the squad still wont change - there's reference to the squad still yearning for Roy, in my eyes there's only 2 people who could be reinforcing that and its DK & KD. This appointment should have been a clean break including them rather than appointing someone to try an fit into something that we need to move on from.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 14, 2014, 07:20:06 PM
I have always defended Peace, I really can't on this one, absolutely shocking appointment ..
There have been a few on here giving stick to those who said they would not renew depending on the manager,I thought that argument was strange but that was because I could really not see such a ludicrous appointment.

I'm gutted, truly gutted and even if we sign Cavani and Ronaldo I'd still assume relegation.

JRP tonight you've really really put a wall up.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on June 14, 2014, 07:21:25 PM
Even Adrian Durham is underwhelmed  and he hates us!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on June 14, 2014, 07:23:25 PM
I cannot think of any appointment greeted as negatively as this.....To put it mildly.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on June 14, 2014, 07:25:02 PM
I cannot think of any appointment greeted as negatively as this.....To put it mildly.


Nor me. I remember Gould and Saunders being appointed but this is something else.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Welsh_Baggie on June 14, 2014, 07:25:12 PM
How did this guy even get an interview?

I run my own business and interview people for jobs a few times a year.

I have a process of sifting out people who do not fit the minimum criteria at application stage i.e. If they do not have the relevant quals or experience I do not interview them.

I posted on here a few weeks back to say that our minimum initial requirement for the job is 100 games plus as the boss of a Prem club.

I am sickened.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 14, 2014, 07:26:24 PM
Comments on a Sheffield Wednesday forum:

SiJ - "The worst manager I think I've ever seen. Clueless doesn't even cover it."

Bruce Lee - "Worst Wednesday manager in my lifetime And we've had some serious bobbins"

AndoverOwl - "Liam, you have my deepest sympathy. Although he's got loads of badges"

HuddersOwl - "Have you got any coaching badges??? If not then your not allowed to pass comment "

Eccleshall Owl - "The worst 'manager' I've ever seen at SWFC "

Grandad - "Theworst manager I've ever seen at Hillsborough. The worst football. The only time I've ever fallen asleep at Hillsborough was watching his football and it happened 3 times.

SiJ - "The man was scared to take on the likes of Bournemouth in League One, so flip knows what sort of approach he'll adopt for when Chelsea, City come to town. "

Random Task - "He made the pitch as wide as legally possible then proceeded to play 4 central midfielders at home with no wingers. "

Watford Owl - "You can look forward to the biggest bypass of a personality that will make you scream for Dave Jones to come and cheer you up afterwards."

Reading Owl - "TBF I never really disliked the bloke. He was just absolutely rubbish."

Mcmigo - " by far the worst manager we've ever had, it is astonishing he has landed a gig in the Premiership."

Taxi Mark - What have WBA done here, he is one of the worst managers I've seen at Hillsboro' ever!"

Alan Harper - I can't even decide what the low point of the Irvine era was. Playing for a point at Cardiff when only a win would have made any difference? Going down with a whimper against Palace, bringing on a midfelder for a striker just after we'd equalised in a win or bust game? Losing 5-1 at Exeter? Failing to win at home against 9 man Yeovil? Losing 4-0 at Leyton Orient with our own fans chanting (hopefully) "you're getting sacked in the morning"?

Miffed - would be laughing if it were any other club, but I feel for the West Brom fans

SWFC_Liam - "Oh my word that's a shocking appointment, he was awful for us. Took us down into League One, and by February had us sitting in the bottom half looking nervously over our shoulders at the relegation places. He was appointed at a tough time but he didn't help himself. Sets up very negatively, usually a rigid 4-4-2 with very little fluidity. The best bit about it was he made the pitch at Hillsborough absolutely huge but refused to play with wingers, he used 4 central midfield players all the time"

Just a small selection but hardly a glowing reference.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lionkingbuff on June 14, 2014, 07:26:41 PM
Living in Singapore - just got back home 2.20 am to get a few hours sleep before getting up again to see the England game at 6 am - just thought I would see if there was any progress on Sherwood becoming our manager and I am in SHOCK at this appointment - can't believe it  - can't think of a WORSE appointment out of the list of potential managers - absolutely shocking move !!!!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on June 14, 2014, 07:27:23 PM
Yes i believe in find the person and he will find the job. Irvine to me is a no hoper.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggie Boy on June 14, 2014, 07:29:03 PM
@ Jack Russell

I bet Steve Clarke is looking pretty good now  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Matty on June 14, 2014, 07:29:35 PM
Just saw the announcement at the end of the Greece v Colombia gane, I nearly choked in my tea!!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kris_boing on June 14, 2014, 07:33:07 PM
I'm just flabbergasted. I thought Sherwood was a cheap uninspiring option but Irvine takes it to another level. Last season was the worst since Gould but next season could eclipse it. What are they doing. Are they hell bent on making us a 'mid table championship club'?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 14, 2014, 07:33:33 PM
Sherwood and Peace would have been an absolute train wreck - the dramas of this season would have been amplified a thousand times when those two clashed. Irvine is hardly inspiring but I'll judge him when we see his team. If we are in the same position at the end of the season as at the end of uninspiring Steve Clarke's season then we'll all forget this.

Must say, sacking Mel for Irvine is absolutely insane.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 14, 2014, 07:33:51 PM
To add to my previous post - you might see a lot of snide comments about coaching badges.

Well during his time at Sheffield Wednesday, when he was criticised by people his response would be "where's your coaching badges?"

Just the sort of attitude we want.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 14, 2014, 07:34:47 PM
What's his email address?
You have you send it to enquiries@wbafc.co.uk but don't expect any answer from Peace you will just get the standard email response that we have passed your email on to the appropriate department (the bin) I think if enough supporters send emails he will have to take notice of how we feel about this ridiculous appointment, but would he care? probably not.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Blowee on June 14, 2014, 07:34:56 PM
To be fair Sherwood was always going to divide us - I couldn't decide if it was a potentially great or awful appointment.

At least this decision has united us!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: slugga1 on June 14, 2014, 07:35:38 PM
I'm  lost for words really.  I don't think anyways was expecting this.. I feel sorry for the guy as my word he is going to suffer from the stands if we dont get off to a good start. How can Steve C not be good enough when he has learned from the best in the game and yet this guy is? It just doesn't make sense.
The only positive is he has worked with some great talent in the Everton academy,  I'm just hoping he brings some of Evetons positive play and not the rubbish from is Sheffield days.

The only way peace can now redeem himself is by signing some really decent players to lift the team and fans. I cant see it but we can live in hope..  atleast until the window closes.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 14, 2014, 07:36:01 PM
He worked with Mad Billy Davies at Nottingham Forest too.

He was a target before we appointed RDM.

Wasn't that Dave Kelly
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 14, 2014, 07:37:25 PM
Just been on the club website:
4.3. All Stilecards are sold on a non-refundable basis.
Read more at http://www.wba.co.uk/tickets/stilecard/index.aspx#wyAqOuzcBV1fGhm3.99 (http://www.wba.co.uk/tickets/stilecard/index.aspx#wyAqOuzcBV1fGhm3.99)

I am so gutted.  I really feel cheated after purchasing a season ticket.  Is that the best we can do. I am almost speechless. I wont be putting anymore money into the club. Nothing not a coffee at half time nothing. I understand that the stile cards are non refundable. I am so angry and upset I can't think straight. I don't know what to say or do. Its even spoilt tonights England game. I want to hear Peace's justification for this appointment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on June 14, 2014, 07:39:11 PM
Just been on the club website:
4.3. All Stilecards are sold on a non-refundable basis.
Read more at http://www.wba.co.uk/tickets/stilecard/index.aspx#wyAqOuzcBV1fGhm3.99 (http://www.wba.co.uk/tickets/stilecard/index.aspx#wyAqOuzcBV1fGhm3.99)

I am so gutted.  I really feel cheated after purchasing a season ticket.  Is that the best we can do. I am almost speechless. I wont be putting anymore money into the club. Nothing not a coffee at half time nothing. I understand that the stile cards are non refundable. I am so angry and upset I can't think straight. I don't know what to say or do. Its even spoilt tonights England game. I want to hear Peace's justification for this appointment.


Why? It'll only be a load of rubbish it won't solve anything.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PNEfan on June 14, 2014, 07:42:43 PM
PNE fan here, registered in total peace to give you a PNE perspective on Irvine.

Some of you will remember us as a club that was always up there, near the top of the championship, pushing for play offs but never quite making it. All that changed with Irvines appointment. He single handedly destroyed our club. turned us from a team that were always exciting to watch to one that was as dull as dishwater.

Anyway, here we are, still in div 1, it started with him, and weve never recovered.  The most dreadful boring managerial appointment PNE have ever made.

I wish you luck, youre seriously going to need it.

Anyway take a look at what PNE fans are saying on here:   http://www.pne-online.net/forum/showthread.php?87616-Alan-Irvine-gets-West-Brom-job.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: frazzle on June 14, 2014, 07:43:00 PM
You have you send it to enquiries@wbafc.co.uk but don't expect any answer from Peace you will just get the standard email response that we have passed your email on to the appropriate department (the bin) I think if enough supporters send emails he will have to take notice of how we feel about this ridiculous appointment, but would he care? probably not.

E-mail sent!  >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 14, 2014, 07:44:55 PM
Wasn't that Dave Kelly

I think they were both there.

It says in here that Rob Kelly would stay on as assistant manager - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21343978
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cuckfield1704 on June 14, 2014, 07:46:01 PM
First thing is that like nearly all supporters I was expecting a far higher profile appointment than this.
However Albion are our Club and lets give the guy a chance, there was clearly a good impression left from the time when he just lost out to RDM.
Irvine achieved far more at Preston than any other manager has since. As for the Sheffield Wednesday thing I would not read too much into the fans forum as there were clearly problems with the Board.  It seems to me that the Club reneged on the financial backing he was promised and the job became near to impossible.
Lastly there is a widespread misunderstanding on here as to the contract that Irvine has been given. It is a twelve month rolling contract and not a cheap option. Loads of managers in the Premiership and throughout European football are on this type of contract. It basically means that if the Club want him out at any time then they have to pay him twelve months salary and if he wants to go elsewhere then his new employers have to pay Albion twelve months compensation.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 14, 2014, 07:49:32 PM
We'll anyway, welcome Alan, and good luck mate.

No sorry can't give him my backing or blessing, we have done this far too many times with JP's moronic appointments, it's about time we started getting back at JP and his extremely bad appointments.

Irvine is JP's man, not ours, so whilst I feel sorry for you Alan, JP must get some major stick over this appointment, as all PNE and SW fans say, he ruined theior clubs, he mus NOT be allowed to ruin ours.

JP and AI out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 14, 2014, 07:49:44 PM
First thing is that like nearly all supporters I was expecting a far higher profile appointment than this.
However Albion are our Club and lets give the guy a chance, there was clearly a good impression left from the time when he just lost out to RDM.
Irvine achieved far more at Preston than any other manager has since. As for the Sheffield Wednesday thing I would not read too much into the fans forum as there were clearly problems with the Board.  It seems to me that the Club reneged on the financial backing he was promised and the job became near to impossible.
Lastly there is a widespread misunderstanding on here as to the contract that Irvine has been given. It is a twelve month rolling contract and not a cheap option. Loads of managers in the Premiership and throughout European football are on this type of contract. It basically means that if the Club want him out at any time then they have to pay him twelve months salary and if he wants to go elsewhere then his new employers have to pay Albion twelve months compensation.
I want whatever happy pills your on!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 14, 2014, 07:51:11 PM
PNE fan here, registered in total peace to give you a PNE perspective on Irvine.

Some of you will remember us as a club that was always up there, near the top of the championship, pushing for play offs but never quite making it. All that changed with Irvines appointment. He single handedly destroyed our club. turned us from a team that were always exciting to watch to one that was as dull as dishwater.

Anyway, here we are, still in div 1, it started with him, and weve never recovered.  The most dreadful boring managerial appointment PNE have ever made.

I wish you luck, youre seriously going to need it.

Anyway take a look at what PNE fans are saying on here:   http://www.pne-online.net/forum/showthread.php?87616-Alan-Irvine-gets-West-Brom-job.

Welcome to the forum

Can you list us the Alan Irvine's positives?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Prokhorych on June 14, 2014, 07:51:39 PM
I think we'll know how this appointment is likely to go before the start of the season. Will players like Mulumbu, Foster and Olsen still be at the club; and what sort of new players will have arrived?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: frazzle on June 14, 2014, 07:52:12 PM
First thing is that like nearly all supporters I was expecting a far higher profile appointment than this.
However Albion are our Club and lets give the guy a chance, there was clearly a good impression left from the time when he just lost out to RDM.
Irvine achieved far more at Preston than any other manager has since. As for the Sheffield Wednesday thing I would not read too much into the fans forum as there were clearly problems with the Board.  It seems to me that the Club reneged on the financial backing he was promised and the job became near to impossible.
Lastly there is a widespread misunderstanding on here as to the contract that Irvine has been given. It is a twelve month rolling contract and not a cheap option. Loads of managers in the Premiership and throughout European football are on this type of contract. It basically means that if the Club want him out at any time then they have to pay him twelve months salary and if he wants to go elsewhere then his new employers have to pay Albion twelve months compensation.

Sorry but he picked up the Preston job when they were regularly competing, and completely destroyed them. And despite the 12 month contract who do you think was cheaper, Irvine or Sherwood? Its a cost saving, controlling and utterly stupid appointment. I've always stood up for Peace but this is an utterly unbelievable decision. Albion have actually made me feel angry today - just an incredible appointment.

Not having a go at you mate, just the situation.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: section5 on June 14, 2014, 07:52:50 PM
We let go of Pepe Mel for this seriously ?
Wow I am in shock
Don't know what to say or do
This season is going to be awful
We're going to do a wolves
I feel like jumping off a bridge
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cheesyknackers on June 14, 2014, 07:52:54 PM
Shocked . Irvine .. really ?....*****...I thought of John Irvine first of all..the ITV News reporter. In fact i would rather have the latter...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Tony on June 14, 2014, 07:53:32 PM
The only explanation I have been able to come up with for this farce is that JP wanted to earn some money and so made the most insane appointment which had the best odds at the bookies. Other than that, for the first time in my life I feel like turning away from the club I love. There's enough problems in everyday life without having this tosh to deal with. Thank you JP.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: frazzle on June 14, 2014, 07:53:39 PM
I think we'll know how this appointment is likely to go before the start of the season. Will players like Mulumbu, Foster and Olsen still be at the club; and what sort of new players will have arrived?

Exactly - not only will we struggle to sign players, but we'll also struggle to keep them.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on June 14, 2014, 07:53:52 PM
No sorry can't give him my backing or blessing, we have done this far too many times with JP's moronic appointments, it's about time we started getting back at JP and his extremely bad appointments.

Irvine is JP's man, not ours, so whilst I feel sorry for you Alan, JP must get some major stick over this appointment, as all PNE and SW fans say, he ruined theior clubs, he mus NOT be allowed to ruin ours.

JP and AI out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Me neither how how on earth do we expect to get any players of any substance with an appointment like this apart from the odd Everton reserve - quite simply unacceptable.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on June 14, 2014, 07:54:27 PM
Woah! Never saw that coming!!

Erm............I dont know what too say

He will bring with him Rob Kelly to work as Joint-Assistant Head Coach alongside Keith Downing, whilst Dean Kiely will remain as Goalkeeping Coach.

That says it all really...cannot understand this obsession to maintain continuity with the backroom staff...when it clearly isn't improving anything on the pitch  :-\

Totally and utterly underwhelmed by this appointment...I will freeze the humble pie...but I doubt that I will be eating it any time soon  ::)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on June 14, 2014, 07:55:09 PM
Welcome to the forum

Can you list us the Alan Irvine's positives?
He just did mate! LOL
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VANDERLEI on June 14, 2014, 07:55:35 PM
I seriously feel like killing myself tonight. Should I wait until after the England match?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on June 14, 2014, 07:55:53 PM
shocked, disappointed, confused.
I have always supported JP, but that changed today. He has blatently lied to us.

I just cannot understand this appointment.

14 June 2014, the day i first EVER questioned my support of WBAFC.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on June 14, 2014, 07:56:06 PM
First thing is that like nearly all supporters I was expecting a far higher profile appointment than this.
However Albion are our Club and lets give the guy a chance, there was clearly a good impression left from the time when he just lost out to RDM.
Irvine achieved far more at Preston than any other manager has since. As for the Sheffield Wednesday thing I would not read too much into the fans forum as there were clearly problems with the Board.  It seems to me that the Club reneged on the financial backing he was promised and the job became near to impossible.
Lastly there is a widespread misunderstanding on here as to the contract that Irvine has been given. It is a twelve month rolling contract and not a cheap option. Loads of managers in the Premiership and throughout European football are on this type of contract. It basically means that if the Club want him out at any time then they have to pay him twelve months salary and if he wants to go elsewhere then his new employers have to pay Albion twelve months compensation.

Your looking at things from the clubs point of view rather than the reality.

Getting behind the bloke would be the easy option.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PNEfan on June 14, 2014, 07:56:51 PM
Welcome to the forum

Can you list us the Alan Irvine's positives?
One of the nicest guys youll ever meet,
 gets very close to the players.

The one positive, for WBA, s the way you run things, as long as "Managerial" decisions are taken away from him it could work.  By reputation one of the best coaches in the game.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Prokhorych on June 14, 2014, 07:58:31 PM
I seriously feel like killing myself tonight. Should I wait until after the England match?
Maybe watching England in a tough world cup match isn't what we all need now!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on June 14, 2014, 07:58:44 PM
Just going to have an awful lot of faith in JP and especially it seems Terry Burton , coaching appears to be his strength so lets see how he gets on with other's doing the transfers .
Pass me some more straws..... :(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: IrememberJohnny Nicholls on June 14, 2014, 07:59:18 PM
I can't quite believe what i'm reading in this thread. You're all condemning a bloke who has averaged a 40%+ win ratio  in 170 games as a manager and 1.3+ points per game. That's equivalent to 51 points a season in the Premiership.

Give him a chance folks!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VANDERLEI on June 14, 2014, 07:59:24 PM
I'm praying for am act of God to stop this abomination. I'm not even religious.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 14, 2014, 08:00:02 PM
Peace you can expect to have Fosters, Olssons, Mulumbus, Bruints, and Morrisons resignations on your desk fairly soon to go wioth Dawsons as well as 16000 requests for money back.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: South West Steve on June 14, 2014, 08:00:16 PM
I'm shocked, appalled and genuinely upset for what was once my great club.

I took a couple of decisions a month or so back, one not to renew my season ticket until I knew who the head coach would be as its a 350 mile round trip and I just don't want to watch negative boring football anymore and drive back down the M5 depressed. I just do not trust the Albion hierarchy any more.

Secondly I decided that until hell freezes over would Mr Peace get another penny of my money in any form nor would I ever ever ever sell him my shares which I still hold, he can go screw.

oh and I'm 100% certain season tickets are NOT refundable.

disgusted.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tylerm on June 14, 2014, 08:01:20 PM
I remember he had a run in with WBA several years ago
He went on record as saying that we had offered him the managers job and he turned us down when we appointed RDM
We of course said he had never been offered the job
Got quite vocal in the press for a while if me memory serves me correctly
Shocking appointment
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie38 on June 14, 2014, 08:01:37 PM
I can't quite believe what i'm reading in this thread. You're all condemning a bloke who has averaged a 40%+ win ratio  in 170 games as a manager and 1.3+ points per game. That's equivalent to 51 points a season in the Premiership.

Give him a chance folks!

Yes in the championship thats a basic record no disrespect to the championship but even if we were there I'd expect us to get someone with a better record then this guy. You cant blame us for being mad when you look at the bigger picture.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on June 14, 2014, 08:01:54 PM
He will bring with him Rob Kelly to work as Joint-Assistant Head Coach alongside Keith Downing, whilst Dean Kiely will remain as Goalkeeping Coach.

That says it all really...cannot understand this obsession to maintain continuity with the backroom staff...when it clearly isn't improving anything on the pitch  :-\

I am not a Downing fan (even if he is a good old boy) and to me he had as much to do with our poor performance last season as anyone and yet he seems untouchable. Right now i would take any other Premier League manager instead apart from Lambert (obviously!)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 14, 2014, 08:02:33 PM
On official website
Terry Burton says
In the end it came down to two outstanding candidates for the role.
But, following a detailed recruitment process (where the other supposed candidate refused the job because he wanted more money for his assistants) we decided that Alan and the team around him (are the cheapest options and are prepared to work with the two coaches who have jobs for life at the club) are the best suited to tackle the challenges we face in the Barclays Premier League.
What rubbish not only this pathetic appointment they then have the arrogance to insult our intelligence.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Canmore Baggie on June 14, 2014, 08:03:22 PM
Shocked . Irvine .. really ?....*****...I thought of John Irvine first of all..the ITV News reporter. In fact i would rather have the latter...

I had figured Andy Irvine, the former scottish rugby player.
Or Eddie Irvine, the ex-F1 driver.

My reaction would have been the same to either of these!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 14, 2014, 08:05:39 PM
I'm starting to wonder was Tim Sherwood ever interviewed?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on June 14, 2014, 08:06:07 PM
He will bring with him Rob Kelly to work as Joint-Assistant Head Coach alongside Keith Downing, whilst Dean Kiely will remain as Goalkeeping Coach.

That says it all really...cannot understand this obsession to maintain continuity with the backroom staff...when it clearly isn't improving anything on the pitch  :-\

Totally and utterly underwhelmed by this appointment...I will freeze the humble pie...but I doubt that I will be eating it any time soon  ::)
I am not a Downing fan (even if he is a good old boy) and to me he had as much to do with our poor performance last season as anyone and yet he seems untouchable. Right now i would take any other Premier League manager instead apart from Lambert (obviously!)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: RuncornBaggie on June 14, 2014, 08:06:19 PM
Anyone that actually knows me knows that I am usually a glass half full kind of guy. 

Usually i would argue how JP has been good for us, and has done a lot of good for the club etc., etc.

Terry Burton says
In the end it came down to two outstanding candidates for the role.  Outstanding???  Really??? 

I cannot believe this appointment!  If ever there was a word underunderwhelmed then I would use it now!!  I would really like to see every name that was interviewed for the position!  It looks like to save a few sheckles, he has appointed Alan Irvine who has done nothing!  (And lets be honest, it's not his fault that we are all angry, he applied for a job and got it.  He must think that JP is a right numpty himself!  Lets be honest, I would if I had applied for it and got it with that experience) 

After last season we need to be forward looking for the new season.  I can't believe it....I really can't!  I would usually say, lets see how he does before we make up our minds!  But I am furious!  5 weeks, we have had to wait or this appointment!  An absolute disgrace!  An absolute disgrace!

What I can guarantee you is that this season I am not going to a single game, and I am not going to spend one single penny at the club shops! 

I hope that people who are at the games get behind AI......I really do! 

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 14, 2014, 08:08:29 PM
I can't quite believe what i'm reading in this thread. You're all condemning a bloke who has averaged a 40%+ win ratio  in 170 games as a manager and 1.3+ points per game. That's equivalent to 51 points a season in the Premiership.

Give him a chance folks!

I'll give him a chance and will back him from the start of his reign. Even when it goes tits up he won't be the first in the line for my abuse, that will be Peace for his poor appointment.

His stats are not bad when you look at them quickly but then you look at the fact we are a Premier League club with a few years of successive seasons in the top league behind us and need an experienced hand at this or equivalent level to take us on and his record comes from the Championship and League One with one of those seasons a relegation one. We were a club in turmoil last season with players ruling the roost and this appointment to me is unlikely to end that turmoil, its making the division between clubs and customers (thats all we are nowadays) even wider than it was before at a time when its screaming for that gap to be closed, not to mention the empty words we've had from Peace lately about learning from mistakes of last season.

I would love to be sitting here in 12 months time and eating my words on this appointment but I feel i'm more likely to be sitting here with anticipation at which grounds in the Championship I can look forward to visiting.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VANDERLEI on June 14, 2014, 08:09:51 PM
I am not a Downing fan (even if he is a good old boy) and to me he had as much to do with our poor performance last season as anyone and yet he seems untouchable. Right now i would take any other Premier League manager instead apart from Lambert (obviously!)
Seriously??? I'd take Lambert in a heartbeat over the Division 3 dross we have just appointed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on June 14, 2014, 08:12:17 PM
Seriously??? I'd take Lambert in a heartbeat over the Division 3 dross we have just appointed.
Yes serious and I think most Vile fans would agree but at the moment Pearson, Pullis, Poyet, Daish look world beaters!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on June 14, 2014, 08:12:35 PM
Well we seem to have a lot of "coaches" but who will be driving the feckin BUS  !?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on June 14, 2014, 08:15:06 PM
I predict the nice Mr Irvine is sacked in December
We start looking for the best english speaking candidate and appoint another nice but hapless geezer just as the transfer window closes,
Hapless geezer will either scrape through in 17th position and Keith Downing and Terry Burton will take the credit or more likely we will be relegated, either way Mr hapless is sacked and we start the process again.

Lessons learnt my backside!!!

I am not travelling from Norfolk to watch this farce anymore.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: slugga1 on June 14, 2014, 08:16:08 PM
I've just been having a look in the Everton forums and it's a bit mixed as they can understand how underwhelmed we all feel.  But to take a positive there has been quite a few comments about how he likes to play football on the ground and that our players would enjoy his brand..  Bit of a Roy esque footballing brain who knows the game.

Ok it's still a horrid appointment as we all needed a lift but  thought I would try and bring a little light in the darkness.. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on June 14, 2014, 08:16:35 PM
Why should we back him? as an earlier poster stated he was pretty vocal when at the last minute  we chose RDM history would suggest we got that right as would Sheffield and Preston supporters, he will undoubtedly be the focal point for angst aimed at JP if he had any sense he would have a long think tonight and do an about turn.  Just a thought but the first major decision Burton has been involved in Mmmmmmmm doesnt bode well >:( >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: slate on June 14, 2014, 08:16:49 PM
This appointment is a ******* disgrace. I am done.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: weareblueweare white on June 14, 2014, 08:17:42 PM
Somebody slap me and tell me this is a bad dream.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: alex1 on June 14, 2014, 08:18:20 PM
After the communication problems with Mel, JP was true to his word in appointing an English speaker. Mind you, coming from Glasgow, it will be a close run thing!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: overseas baggie on June 14, 2014, 08:20:43 PM
Might as well keep the Next Manager thread alive - it will be "in play" again by the end of October.

An absolute joke of an appointment.

I was going to have a large bet on us going down next season but the odds are already far too low to be attractive.  The bookies have already worked it out.

The backlash to this appointment is going to really backfire on Peace.

Well - his wish will come true.  Mid-table Championship side here we come.

Absolutely no ambition.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: TaxiMark on June 14, 2014, 08:22:01 PM
Hi Albion fans, Wednesday fan here.

I'll start by saying that we are just as stunned and shocked as you are by appointing Alan Irvine as manager, where or how did he manage to pull that one off?

Irvine was the most negative manager I've seen in recent years at Hillsborough and believe me, we've had some terrible managers in the last 20 odd years, one of the things that he irritatingly kept doing was praising the visiting team before the game, he would say stuff like you have to watch out for their strikers (praise), pace (praise), hight (praise) etc.... he'd go on to say how we'd deal with their threat but not saying anything about how his own side would attack or be positive (maybe he didn't even know how too?)

He was absolutely clueless, and if he received criticism he turn it back to his critics by asking where their coaching badges were etc.

I hope it's a short lived affair for you guys because you are decent.   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 14, 2014, 08:22:51 PM
Probably as flattering as Bristol City Fans would be to Mcinnes, OR Liverpool fans were to Hodgson.

Good points.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: yiannos on June 14, 2014, 08:24:00 PM
I am not travelling from Cyprus to watch Albion anymore. JESUS...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on June 14, 2014, 08:24:39 PM
On official website
Terry Burton says
In the end it came down to two outstanding candidates for the role.
But, following a detailed recruitment process (where the other supposed candidate refused the job because he wanted more money for his assistants) we decided that Alan and the team around him (are the cheapest options and are prepared to work with the two coaches who have jobs for life at the club) are the best suited to tackle the challenges we face in the Barclays Premier League.
What rubbish not only this pathetic appointment they then have the arrogance to insult our intelligence.
I really thought (misguidedly) that Burton would add to the process - TBH i would rather have him as coach now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wba606 on June 14, 2014, 08:26:01 PM
i dont think we will have problems in attracting new players as there are managers such as monk for swansea
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on June 14, 2014, 08:27:38 PM
Good points.
Why i'd rather have had McCinnes than this no hoper!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VANDERLEI on June 14, 2014, 08:27:47 PM
i dont think we will have problems in attracting new players as there are managers such as monk for swansea
I'd rather have a Shaolin Monk as our manager than Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Tony Goddens Gloves on June 14, 2014, 08:28:40 PM
Email just sent to Peace to vent my anger.

FACT I will not return my season ticket
FACT I will support MY team
FACT. No one will be singing Alan Irvine's barmy army
FACT  Jeremy Peace won't read the emails, Won't care about supporters feelings, thoughts, comments. 16,000 refunds so what a drop in the ocean to the money he has taken over the last 10 years
FACT I am so fking **** off it is untrue

He will be gone by Xmas..we will be relegated...we would have failed to attract any decent players..our football will be awful..please wake me from this nightmare...I haven't felt this bad since Buckley / Little / Smith / Gould
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: yiannos on June 14, 2014, 08:30:17 PM
i'd rather have had Kaiafas from cyprus than this no hoper!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: IrememberJohnny Nicholls on June 14, 2014, 08:31:09 PM

His stats are not bad when you look at them quickly

They are also not bad when you look at them slowly ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Standaman on June 14, 2014, 08:32:55 PM
Well I knew left field was certainly possible but this is a bit out there. I think he is a coach in the Hodgson mold detailed in preparation and drilling his charges to be well organised. It will not be pretty (Hodgson wasn't) anyone who was championing Moyes can't complain about the football because it is going to be Moyesesque under Irvine.

It is done he might not be anyone's first choice but there is little or no point not getting behind him and the team. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lib on June 14, 2014, 08:33:17 PM
Smells like relegation. Won't attract any decent players.

However, I'd expect the same (relegation) with Sherwood as well (sacked by Chrtistmas).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Andzy on June 14, 2014, 08:33:23 PM
First time today I've logged in and to find that Alan Irvine has been appointed head coach stunned me I'm actually ready to cry atm.
What a shocking appointment 4 weeks for this are they ******* serious.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Tony Goddens Gloves on June 14, 2014, 08:34:38 PM
His stats are not bad when you look at them quickly

You would be able to read them quick because non of the stats are from the Premier League
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 14, 2014, 08:34:56 PM

It is done he might not be anyone's first choice but there is little or no point not getting behind him and the team.

Absolutely right. Emotions rule right now, but hopefully we'll all back him come August.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hunsletbaggie on June 14, 2014, 08:35:10 PM
 I really didn't expect any think less from our muppet of a chairman we are an absolute joke.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wba1993dave on June 14, 2014, 08:35:20 PM
Really shocked by this but their is nothing we can do, Irvine is our new gaffer and that is that. His 2 spells as manager were bad but maybe with better players it might work.Maybe in a years time we will look like idiots , I know wishful thinking.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on June 14, 2014, 08:36:55 PM
Well I knew left field was certainly possible but this is a bit out there. I think he is a coach in the Hodgson mold detailed in preparation and drilling his charges to be well organised. It will not be pretty (Hodgson wasn't) anyone who was championing Moyes can't complain about the football because it is going to be Moyesesque under Irvine.

It is done he might not be anyone's first choice but there is little or no point not getting behind him and the team.
In the Hodgson mould oh please. Roy had managed at international level and all over Europe this bloke wasnt good enough for us 5 years ago  and we are supposed to have improved and be a more attractive proposition now!!
p.s Koeman speaks English!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cheesyknackers on June 14, 2014, 08:37:07 PM
If you speed read Irvins stats whilst p1ssed then they are not too bad.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mr multivac on June 14, 2014, 08:37:46 PM
Absolutely gutted ,renewed three season tickets if I'd seen this coming I would not of bothered ,god knows how I'm going to drag myself out the wagon Hope Powell would of got more positive response  unlike Clarke he hasn't even got a decent team to mess up ,he will be gone by October and Keith will be in charge and jps master plan is completed
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on June 14, 2014, 08:38:33 PM
Smells like relegation. Won't attract any decent players.

However, I'd expect the same (relegation) with Sherwood as well (sacked by Chrtistmas).
I think Sherwood would have commanded more respect and brought much needed player discipline which lacked mainly due to Downing I suspect. Sherwood also stood a better chance of getting better players in. You can imagine the the calls:-
AI - Hi Alan Irvine here
Potential player - who?!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on June 14, 2014, 08:39:25 PM
Got to give him a chance , difference is with us he will be head coach Not  a manager , it would appear Burton will have much more of an active role than Garlick did so i hope that will help.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on June 14, 2014, 08:39:33 PM
They are also not bad when you look at them slowly ;D

My league stats as manager last season:

Played 20
Won 18
Drew 1
lost 1
Scored 118
Conceded 19

Perhaps I should have applied for the job at the Albion.

Fairly certain I would be cheaper than Irvine, and I'd even go so far as to say fans would have been happier with the appointment than we are tonight.

Not happy!  >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on June 14, 2014, 08:40:33 PM
Sherwood would have been a far better appointment than Irvine, no contest.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: IrememberJohnny Nicholls on June 14, 2014, 08:41:01 PM
His stats are not bad when you look at them quickly

You would be able to read them quick because non of the stats are from the Premier League

Neither were the players he had at his disposal.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 14, 2014, 08:42:01 PM
Terry McDermott and Shaun StLedger both saying he's a top coach and a good appointment. Guess they may know more than a lot of us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cheesyknackers on June 14, 2014, 08:42:57 PM
Hes not even a well known Alan in the football world.

Alan Shearer
Alan Hansen
Alan Smith
Alan Pardew
Alan Partridge  :)
Alan Irvine
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on June 14, 2014, 08:43:29 PM
What's done is done. I hope he does well for his sake but most obviously for ours and the club's.

JP is guilty of thinking with his wallet rather than his brain. 

(Then Chairman) Sid Lucas back in 86 telling Ron Saunders to trim the wage bill comes to mind. Out went decent players, in came the cheap replacements, and we all know how that ended.

Peace has gone for the cheap option because he feels that's the wisest course of action, but the irony he probably can't see is that it's ended up in him making a massive financial gamble, because there's nothing in this appointment that suggests to me we'll be guaranteed safe next season.

But there you go.

Come on you Baggie Boys.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VANDERLEI on June 14, 2014, 08:43:42 PM
Well I knew left field was certainly possible but this is a bit out there. I think he is a coach in the Hodgson mold detailed in preparation and drilling his charges to be well organised. It will not be pretty (Hodgson wasn't) anyone who was championing Moyes can't complain about the football because it is going to be Moyesesque under Irvine.

It is done he might not be anyone's first choice but there is little or no point not getting behind him and the team.

While I like reading your posts as they are always detailed and concise, I strongly disagree with there being no point in getting behind "Him" and the team. Irvine has done nothing to justify his job with WBA and if we keep accepting the ***t that is drip fed to us, then we'll keep getting bent over and shafted. Regardless of who we sign, in the summer, we have appointed a manager who has failed in lower leagues than where we ply our trade. This is the final straw for me, we need Peace out ASAP. It is going to be mission impossible, but while he is running this club he will only ever take us one way from now, with his attitude and "beliefs"...... DOWN.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 14, 2014, 08:44:46 PM
Just a small selection but hardly a glowing reference.
Thanks for collating those, Liam. We were hoping someone would be brought in who would unite the fans, but not in this way....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on June 14, 2014, 08:45:35 PM
Terry McDermott and Shaun StLedger both saying he's a top coach and a good appointment.


Oh good. We can all sleep easy now.  ::)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: alex1 on June 14, 2014, 08:47:48 PM
Whilst I'm not against the idea of appointing someone who has a coaching background, far more is needed to be in charge of a Premier League club. Managing egos, having the respect of players, making tactical decisions during games, attracting quality players to the club, keeping quality players at the club.

Maybe not dissimilar to Keith Burkinshaw, who had a coaching background. Unfortunately,  that wasn't enough.
The other thing is that, if he was such a great coach, why did Moyes not take him to Old Trafford?

He's going to have to hit the ground running, and that's the understatement. Unfair maybe, but nobody'd forced him to take the job. He probably thinks he has nothing to lose, as he hasn't got a reputation, except in the lower divisions. He probably thinks at the worst, after he's been sacked, he'll find it easier to get a job later with West Brom on his CV.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 14, 2014, 08:48:30 PM
Of course it may all work out beautifully. There are no guarantees for the likes of us, no Guardiolas or Van Gaals, no Mourinhos, we shop in a different marketplace.

Perhaps the combination of a decent coach in Irvine, and knowledge of available talent in Burton and our scouts will be beneficial.

Time will tell.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 14, 2014, 08:49:33 PM
Welcome PNEfan - thanks for taking the trouble to post here.

One of the nicest guys you'll ever meet, gets very close to the players.
Trying that worked out well for Pepe Mel....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 14, 2014, 08:50:38 PM

Oh good. We can all sleep easy now.  ::)

I can't pretend to know you, but in football matters I might be tempted take the opinion of two international players, one of whom has coached in the Premier League, over yours.  ::)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on June 14, 2014, 08:52:33 PM
I can't pretend to know you, but in football matters I might be tempted take the opinion of two international players, one of whom has coached in the Premier League, over yours.


Did you take the opinion of all those people "in the game" that said David Moyes was the right man for Manchester United?

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 14, 2014, 08:53:08 PM
oh and I'm 100% certain season tickets are NOT refundable.
Some got refunds after Pepe Mel was sacked. If they don't refund those who request it after them appointing Irvine, I hope someone tests the water in court, if necessary, on the grounds of the Chairman's "lessons learned" propaganda being misrepresentation.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 14, 2014, 08:54:05 PM

Did you take the opinion of all those people "in the game" that said David Moyes was the right man for Manchester United?

Couldn't care less about them. Wouldn't even know who backed him or otherwise.

I'm only interested in Albion.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: jim68 on June 14, 2014, 08:54:59 PM
Why i'd rather have had McCinnes than this no hoper!
i said all along we have to be realistic mcciness should have been the man i know its only scottish football but he;s been quite a sucess overall /but the thing for me is a mass clearout of players is needed too many have been at the club too long and are in the comfort zone hence like last season only playing for 45 mins whichever half that was  :o
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 14, 2014, 08:56:02 PM
I would really like to see every name that was interviewed for the position!
Chris Lepkowski tweeted earlier: "Sherwood, McDermott, Hughton, Renard, Zola were among the others spoken to formally or sounded out during recent weeks....some of those talks (certainly with McDermott and Hughton) were merely part of due diligence and never contenders".
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on June 14, 2014, 08:56:30 PM
Couldn't care less about them. Wouldn't even know who backed him or otherwise.

I'm only interested in Albion.


Nevertheless the principal is the same is it not?

For what it's worth I don't care about them either.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 14, 2014, 08:59:45 PM
Irvine was the most negative manager I've seen in recent years at Hillsborough and believe me, we've had some terrible managers in the last 20 odd years, one of the things that he irritatingly kept doing was praising the visiting team before the game, he would say stuff like you have to watch out for their strikers (praise), pace (praise), hight (praise) etc.... he'd go on to say how we'd deal with their threat but not saying anything about how his own side would attack or be positive (maybe he didn't even know how too?)

He was absolutely clueless, and if he received criticism he turn it back to his critics by asking where their coaching badges were etc.
Thanks for taking the time to stop by and share some thoughts with us. The fans of both Sheff Wed and Preston deserve better than they've got currently, so I hope things pick up for you soon.

Does what I've highlighted in bold above make anyone think of Alan Buckley?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 14, 2014, 09:01:13 PM
Terry McDermott and Shaun StLedger both saying he's a top coach and a good appointment. Guess they may know more than a lot of us.

Cecil Nyoni, another player to have worked with Alan Irvine called the appointment 'interesting' with some eyes emotions.

I asked Nyoni what he thought of Irvine expecting it to be bad as Nyoni appears to be quite a character and he described him as the best manager he's ever had.

Cecil Nyoni ‏@CecilNyoni26 3m

“@LiamWBAFC: @CecilNyoni26 @SkySportsNews What's he like Cecil?” Best manager iv had tbh!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie_liam on June 14, 2014, 09:01:35 PM
We need a huge player over haul this summer, what players is he going to inspire to sign for us and play for him? I can't see us signing anyone better than we already have at the club. The appointment stinks of a cheap yes man. The one year rolling contract proves all the faith in him. I see him sacked by November and us relegated by march!
Shocking choice! I can't believe he is better suited to the job than Pepe Mel? Every football fan on the outside is laughing at us! I wonder how many will enquire about a season ticket refund now  :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on June 14, 2014, 09:01:52 PM
Had a few hours to digest this and my thoughts are:

Alan fecking Irvine!!!!! WTF!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 14, 2014, 09:01:57 PM
They are also not bad when you look at them slowly ;D
The fans of Preston and Sheff Wed seem to disagree with you. You obviously think him getting Sheff Wed relegated and then taking them into the bottom half of League One is somehow worthy of praise?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on June 14, 2014, 09:02:02 PM
Thanks for taking the time to stop by and share some thoughts with us. The fans of both Sheff Wed and Preston deserve better than they've got currently, so I hope things pick up for you soon.

Does what I've highlighted in bold above make anyone think of Alan Buckley?


Yeah, arrogance. He can have every coaching badge in the world it doesn't mean he's any good. It's a bit like exams they mean you have a decent memory, not that you can do a job.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: albionlincs on June 14, 2014, 09:09:13 PM
Firstly, the idea of a head coach being appointed is strange. Someone has to be responsible for player discipline and this is a managers job so hopefully someone at the club is in place to do that.

my main worry is attracting players. We need at least 12 players for the coming season and I had hoped that a high (ish) profile would naturally attract some players but now fear that this won't happen. Whatever people say managers attract players and he won't even have a network of top class players to call on.

a desperate time for the football club
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on June 14, 2014, 09:14:03 PM
The fans of Preston and Sheff Wed seem to disagree with you. You obviously think him getting Sheff Wed relegated and then taking them into the bottom half of League One is somehow worthy of praise?
What have we done?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 14, 2014, 09:14:20 PM
I think that as an Albion supporter I have been so disappointed and dissalutioned as much as I am tonight. I just cannot believe that after last seasons mistakes, Peace and his board have made this appointment.   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on June 14, 2014, 09:15:36 PM
Sweet, sweet irony - Joel Campbell, a player Pepe Mel would have liked to bring in just scores a cracking equaliser for Costa Rica, you can't make this up :(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: royhan on June 14, 2014, 09:15:52 PM
We need five or more marquee signings to help us get over this shocking appointment. I have just been reading comments from fans on Albion's Facebook page and they are much stronger than anything posted on here so far.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 14, 2014, 09:16:43 PM
I think that as an Albion supporter I have been so disappointed and dissalutioned as much as I am tonight. I just cannot believe that after last seasons mistakes, Peace and his board have made this appointment.
Never been so even
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on June 14, 2014, 09:17:22 PM
We need five or more marquee signings to help us get over this shocking appointment. I have just been reading comments from fans on Albion's Facebook page and they are much stronger than anything posted on here so far.
No chance now i am afraid.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Topman on June 14, 2014, 09:18:11 PM
Someone's already left a banner up the ground. First of many?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Greenock Baggie on June 14, 2014, 09:20:10 PM
I am actually crying while typing this so apologies for any spelling mistakes.

When I come down to games its not only for the football, its to see and meet up with my Dad who's 87( season ticket holder ) and my sister ( season ticket holder ). I will be calling the club on Monday to see if I can get a refund as I will not be travelling down to see this. My dad actually gave me the money for the ticket and I will be working overtime in my **** job to give him his money back if the club wont refund me.

I do not take this decision lightly as my dad, bless him, doesn't have long to go but this is the last f***ing straw. I'll be hard pressed to keep my cool when I do call them on Monday but enough is enough. When I first came to this forum, I posted a really long post about lack of ambition shown by the club and have finally been vindicated.

I DEFY ANYONE TO MAKE A CASE ( NOT FOR IRVINE ) BUT FOR THE CLUB IN THIS WHOLE F***NG FIASCO.

This has finally killed my life long love of WBA. My kids and wife deserve better of me than disappearing for a whole weekend every 2 weeks.

F*** PEACE AND HIS CROANIES. I've had it with the lot of them.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie steve on June 14, 2014, 09:23:02 PM
Someone tell me this is a wind up......
Would any of the other 19 premier league clubs even consider letting this doughnut
through the doors....
We have a depleted squad that needs strengthening with quality, how many potential
signings will Irvine ne able to attract....

Peace out , what a shambles again
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on June 14, 2014, 09:24:03 PM
I am actually crying while typing this so apologies for any spelling mistakes.

When I come down to games its not only for the football, its to see and meet up with my Dad who's 87( season ticket holder ) and my sister ( season ticket holder ). I will be calling the club on Monday to see if I can get a refund as I will not be travelling down to see this. My dad actually gave me the money for the ticket and I will be working overtime in my poo job to give him his money back if the club wont refund me.

I do not take this decision lightly as my dad, bless him, doesn't have long to go but this is the last f***ing straw. I'll be hard pressed to keep my cool when I do call them on Monday but enough is enough. When I first came to this forum, I posted a really long post about lack of ambition shown by the club and have finally been vindicated.

I DEFY ANYONE TO MAKE A CASE ( NOT FOR IRVINE ) BUT FOR THE CLUB IN THIS WHOLE F***NG FIASCO.

This has finally killed my life long love of WBA. My kids and wife deserve better of me than disappearing for a whole weekend every 2 weeks.

F*** PEACE AND HIS CROANIES. I've had it with the lot of them.
You are an "Icon" on here with your travelling. Sad to read that mate but  understandable.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: IrememberJohnny Nicholls on June 14, 2014, 09:25:02 PM
The fans of Preston and Sheff Wed seem to disagree with you. You obviously think him getting Sheff Wed relegated and then taking them into the bottom half of League One is somehow worthy of praise?

Are my thoughts obvious? You must be psychic. I just said his stats are not so bad.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie38 on June 14, 2014, 09:26:04 PM
Someone's already left a banner up the ground. First of many?

Did you manage to read what it said?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on June 14, 2014, 09:26:24 PM
Are my thoughts obvious? You must be psychic. I just said his stats are not so bad.
If you speed read Irvins stats whilst p1ssed then they are not too bad.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 14, 2014, 09:26:37 PM
I am actually crying while typing this so apologies for any spelling mistakes.

When I come down to games its not only for the football, its to see and meet up with my Dad who's 87( season ticket holder ) and my sister ( season ticket holder ). I will be calling the club on Monday to see if I can get a refund as I will not be travelling down to see this. My dad actually gave me the money for the ticket and I will be working overtime in my poo job to give him his money back if the club wont refund me.

I do not take this decision lightly as my dad, bless him, doesn't have long to go but this is the last f***ing straw. I'll be hard pressed to keep my cool when I do call them on Monday but enough is enough. When I first came to this forum, I posted a really long post about lack of ambition shown by the club and have finally been vindicated.

I DEFY ANYONE TO MAKE A CASE ( NOT FOR IRVINE ) BUT FOR THE CLUB IN THIS WHOLE F***NG FIASCO.

This has finally killed my life long love of WBA. My kids and wife deserve better of me than disappearing for a whole weekend every 2 weeks.

F*** PEACE AND HIS CROANIES. I've had it with the lot of them.
I always defended Peace, I now can't , really hope you enjoy the time with your family, life is to short for this rubbish!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on June 14, 2014, 09:26:47 PM
I am actually crying while typing this so apologies for any spelling mistakes.

When I come down to games its not only for the football, its to see and meet up with my Dad who's 87( season ticket holder ) and my sister ( season ticket holder ). I will be calling the club on Monday to see if I can get a refund as I will not be travelling down to see this. My dad actually gave me the money for the ticket and I will be working overtime in my poo job to give him his money back if the club wont refund me.

I do not take this decision lightly as my dad, bless him, doesn't have long to go but this is the last f***ing straw. I'll be hard pressed to keep my cool when I do call them on Monday but enough is enough. When I first came to this forum, I posted a really long post about lack of ambition shown by the club and have finally been vindicated.

I DEFY ANYONE TO MAKE A CASE ( NOT FOR IRVINE ) BUT FOR THE CLUB IN THIS WHOLE F***NG FIASCO.

This has finally killed my life long love of WBA. My kids and wife deserve better of me than disappearing for a whole weekend every 2 weeks.

F*** PEACE AND HIS CROANIES. I've had it with the lot of them.


Mate I feel for you and I totally understand where you're coming from. I'm so sorry for your dad who has to settle for this **** in his last days.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on June 14, 2014, 09:27:00 PM
I am actually crying while typing this so apologies for any spelling mistakes.

When I come down to games its not only for the football, its to see and meet up with my Dad who's 87( season ticket holder ) and my sister ( season ticket holder ). I will be calling the club on Monday to see if I can get a refund as I will not be travelling down to see this. My dad actually gave me the money for the ticket and I will be working overtime in my poo job to give him his money back if the club wont refund me.

I do not take this decision lightly as my dad, bless him, doesn't have long to go but this is the last f***ing straw. I'll be hard pressed to keep my cool when I do call them on Monday but enough is enough. When I first came to this forum, I posted a really long post about lack of ambition shown by the club and have finally been vindicated.

I DEFY ANYONE TO MAKE A CASE ( NOT FOR IRVINE ) BUT FOR THE CLUB IN THIS WHOLE F***NG FIASCO.

This has finally killed my life long love of WBA. My kids and wife deserve better of me than disappearing for a whole weekend every 2 weeks.

F*** PEACE AND HIS CROANIES. I've had it with the lot of them.


Truth is I don't think anyone can.

I don't know you mate, and you can tell me to f&*k off if you like or tell me I'm being trite, but give it a day or two and talk it over with your family. At the very least coming down the Albion means you get to see your Dad and Sister.

All the best.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: stratfordbaggie on June 14, 2014, 09:27:21 PM
Absolute shambles! I have been a season ticket holder for 20 years and I have never been more disappointed with a managerial appointment!

Shocking!

I would say I am normally one of the more optimistic Albion fans, but I am absolutely mortified by this!

I am only annoyed with myself for renewing my season ticket as I would have certainly not done so had I known that Alan Irvine would be our manager!

Utter utter disgrace!

By appointing an average league 1 manager we will be a league 1 team within 2 seasons.. WTF
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on June 14, 2014, 09:29:17 PM
Bet Irvine feels like he's won the lottery! Jeremy Peace really can do just what he likes. 16k season ticket renewals in the bag then he does this!!!

Pinstripes next on his agenda.

Mexican waves at the first match of the season anyone?

People moan but few show any dissent against Peace at games unfortunately...................we all tried that in the Year of the Great Surrender under Robson and that's what we got from most in that final West Ham game - A MEXICAN WAVE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Topman on June 14, 2014, 09:30:32 PM
I think it was peace your having a laugh, Irvine !!! I want my money back. Should we all cover the ground in them for Monday?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on June 14, 2014, 09:30:47 PM
Some got refunds after Pepe Mel was sacked. If they don't refund those who request it after them appointing Irvine, I hope someone tests the water in court, if necessary, on the grounds of the Chairman's "lessons learned" propaganda being misrepresentation.

Wasn't there a lot of talk after RdM that the next coach had to have experience coaching at the top level? And now this? What a joke this appointment is, in particular it is a complete slap in the face of the fans after the firing of Pepe Mel. This appointment isn't even scraping the bottom of the barrel, it's scraping the dregs of the barrel.

I agree with those that say that it looks like JP is winding the club down for a fire sale.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 14, 2014, 09:31:19 PM
I am in touch and associated with a few ex baggies players, who already get shoddily treated by JP! And they know Irvine and players he has 'coached' and they are all shocked and dismayed at this appointment.

whilst his stats may not read so bad, just bear in mind this was at clubs that should and could have done better, and the feedback from ex players was to avoid any club this guy was at.

If ex players are thinking like that, what will prospective players be thinking, he does have a bad man manager reputation, and comes across as a badge realing, pompous I am better than yow type of bloke.

Thia is just plane stupidity, Peace is out of touch in his London Ivory tower, and now the demonstrations will begin.

And so will the transfer requests, as even the players agents hate this guy.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 14, 2014, 09:32:44 PM
And how the dingles and b6 scumbags will love this!

I'm clever enough to know its a business , I know it's not "our club" anymore, regardless of views on him,peace has (up to now) done ok by. The club....but my god what a stupid idiotic thing to do ?
I don't care if we get bargain players (in fact I'm quite proud) and I'm ok with new pinstripes but Alan bloody irvine?, is it not like asking stevie wonder to drive you home?

I really ain't happy
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 14, 2014, 09:36:16 PM
And how the dingles and b6 scumbags will love this!

I'm clever enough to know its a business , I know it's not "our club" anymore, regardless of views on him,peace has (up to now) done ok by. The club....but my god what a stupid idiotic thing to do ?
I don't care if we get bargain players (in fact I'm quite proud) and I'm ok with new pinstripes but Alan bloody irvine?, is it not like asking stevie wonder to drive you home?

I really ain't happy

I think that I would rather have Stevie Wonder drive me home!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on June 14, 2014, 09:36:38 PM
Why couldn't history have repeated itself !

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/p/preston/8120577.stm
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on June 14, 2014, 09:37:20 PM
Wasn't there a lot of talk after RdM that the next coach had to have experience coaching at the top level? And now this? What a joke this appointment is, in particular it is a complete slap in the face of the fans after the firing of Pepe Mel. This appointment isn't even scraping the bottom of the barrel, it's scraping the dregs of the barrel.

I agree with those that say that it looks like JP is winding the club down for a fire sale.

That was my thought.

FWIW the way I see it if there's any strategy behind JP's appointment of AI it's this:

-Get in a coach with experience of youth/ academy players
-He can bring the kids through from the Albion academy
-Build a new team around younger players so you don't have to pay experienced players' transfer fees, wages, agents fees etc
-If you go down that's okay because you can still claim you're building a new team based on youth
-Continue to draw a salary of £1.25 million a year while scouring the world for a buyer for the club.

Who's the new sponsor going to be? Royal Bank of Scotland on this basis.

 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Andio on June 14, 2014, 09:39:05 PM
3 hours later & I'm still dumbfounded.

I seriously cannot believe what we have done here.

If you asked every Albion fan if they are happy with this appointment I'm pretty sure 99.9% would say "Hell no"

Peace must have knew this reaction would be coming as well, as clever as he is he's dropped a right b**l**K here.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 14, 2014, 09:40:22 PM
It will unite the players though?

Each and everyone will shout "WHO"
 :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on June 14, 2014, 09:43:22 PM
We need five or more marquee signings to help us get over this shocking appointment. I have just been reading comments from fans on Albion's Facebook page and they are much stronger than anything posted on here so far.

There's almost 2000 comments on the WBAOfficial announcement.  All negative, apart from wulfs fans.  The most positive thing said, is that the decision is made and therefore we must back him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 14, 2014, 09:44:23 PM
It will unite the players though?

Each and everyone will shout "WHO"
 :D

And 'get me outta here' judging by his total lack of man management skills.

He couldn't even get a no 2 post and we appoint him as head coach unbelievable, somebody wake me and tell me I'm dreaming
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: socalbaggie on June 14, 2014, 09:44:39 PM
I can't even think straight right now!! Honestly what could possibly be going through JP's mind and the mind of the board members when they make a selection like this? After five weeks I'm supposed to believe this is the best we could find? I think not!! It was clear in the end that SC lacked the managerial experience to have any consistent success in this league and as far as I'm concerned AI is a step down from SC! It's as if they are just conceeding to the fact were going down next year! This is such an ultimate low for me because I feel that the club has lost any ambition it had to get things turned around! It's frustrating because we have the ability as a club to sustain our Premier League status! Just had to bring in the right head coach and bring in the players to mold around his philosophy so we could be on the path of establishing ourselves as a solid mid table club again! After last season it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the club was screaming for the need of a stable, strong, experienced head coach and after 5 weeks we get the complete and total opposite. I'm just shocked and embarrassed that the club shows such a lack of ambition. Speechless and completely disappointed!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on June 14, 2014, 09:44:44 PM
Kicker is we could have had Zola too  :-[
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: HampshireBaggie on June 14, 2014, 09:44:58 PM
first we considered Jones then we appoint Irvine. WTF are the people running the club on? It takes VERY basic football knowledge to look at a managers record and go "no not good enough".

Why has this happened to us? We deserve better than this.

It has already been said but the other 19 PL clubs would not have done this. Why have we? We needed optimism after last season. We needed an inspired appointment. And we've got this.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: stratfordbaggie on June 14, 2014, 09:45:35 PM
Quote from Terry Burton on Express & Star

“But, following a detailed recruitment process, we decided Alan and the team around him are best suited to tackle the challenges we face in the Barclays Premier League"

Complete lies, everyone knows we didn't want to pay the wages for Sherwood's back room staff! We are feint treated like fools!

WBA you are a joke...!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionBest on June 14, 2014, 09:46:00 PM
3 hours later & I'm still dumbfounded.

I seriously cannot believe what we have done here.

If you asked every Albion fan if they are happy with this appointment I'm pretty sure 99.9% would say "Hell no"

Peace must have knew this reaction would be coming as well, as clever as he is he's dropped a right b**l**K here.

Hence, why he's announced the bad news in the middle of the England build up mania...............expect some major Peace spin over next few weeks BUT little positive actions (ie quality signings!). 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: silver surfer on June 14, 2014, 09:54:44 PM
Can't defend JP this time.
This is a Ron Saunders esq appointment. Atrocious.
Avoiding relegation from this point onwards will be a major achievement considering we have to attract half a dozen players, and at least one proper goal scorer.
The bloke turned us down five years ago or so he claimed and that alone should have been enough to bin his application.
All the many and varied mistakes of last season and now this.
I admit I scoffed at Jones, Malky and even Mcinnes but now ........
Seething.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gerry m on June 14, 2014, 09:57:34 PM
Quote from Terry Burton on Express & Star

“But, following a detailed recruitment process, we decided Alan and the team around him are best suited to tackle the challenges we face in the Barclays Premier League"

Complete lies, everyone knows we didn't want to pay the wages for Sherwood's back room staff! We are feint treated like fools!

WBA you are a joke...!!!

Exactly! How can a man who has never coached in the Premier League be 'best suited' to manage us. ???
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on June 14, 2014, 10:02:35 PM
If anybody knows him can somebody check on Jack Russell , I'm worried i haven't read "dour Scot " yet  :) :-[
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 14, 2014, 10:03:00 PM
Exactly! How can a man who has never coached in the Premier League be 'best suited' to manage us. ???

Head coach us. It seems all appointments in recent years are on their coaching abilities which is backed up by some professionals saying his coaching abilities are good. Not a excited by this but let's see what he does. If he emulates Clarke's final league position who's going to be moaning then.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: alex1 on June 14, 2014, 10:06:31 PM
Next season is going to be one long battle against relegation. I have very little confidence in him being able to attract any quality players. By the time Irvine has to be sacked it will probably be too late.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maccbaggie on June 14, 2014, 10:06:42 PM
If anybody knows him can somebody check on Jack Russell , I'm worried i haven't read "dour Scot " yet  :) :-[
Genuinely worried he might've topped himself
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BoingFlyer on June 14, 2014, 10:07:06 PM

Wow, I wanted to let the news settle before posting. Really hoped for a decent proven manager instead of a proven coach.

I don't think this signing is a million miles away from Tim Sherwood (who I don't rate as a proven manager), Spurs had a poor season last season only made to look better by Man U's shocking form.

A few positives:
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: jwilkes90 on June 14, 2014, 10:07:37 PM
Dear Mr Peace,

Having supported the Albion since 1967 when I attended the Hawthorns for the first time, and having brought all of my children up to be West Bromwich Albion supporters (all having season tickets at one stage or another), I regretfully write to ask for a refund on my season tickets for the 2014-2015 season.

Last season was a disaster on a number of levels...poor recruitment, poor managerial selections and some very unattractive football. However in your statement you conceded that mistakes had been made and you would endeavour to put things right! You explained that you would do your upmost to recruit an outstanding head coach, with a pedigree to match. Today we appoint Alan Irvine.

I find this decision inexplicable...he has no proven track record, no Premiership managerial experience and was somebody that we overlooked in the past when we appointed Roberto Di Matteo. You have not kept to your word.

As a result of this, I would like a refund immediately and I will find something better to do with my Saturday afternoons. I'll be happy to discuss my decision personally at anytime.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: poole baggie on June 14, 2014, 10:10:44 PM
WBA weve been add
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cuckfield1704 on June 14, 2014, 10:15:12 PM
Firstly, the idea of a head coach being appointed is strange. Someone has to be responsible for player discipline and this is a managers job so hopefully someone at the club is in place to do that.

my main worry is attracting players. We need at least 12 players for the coming season and I had hoped that a high (ish) profile would naturally attract some players but now fear that this won't happen. Whatever people say managers attract players and he won't even have a network of top class players to call on.

a desperate time for the football club

Several of those released hardly played last season; Popov, Gera, Allan, Sinclair.
We have 15 senior players and the ideal squad is, we are told, 21 + promising under 21's O'Neil, Roofe, Donervan making the squad up to 25 so we need to sign six players not twelve.  Given what has happened I agree even that may be difficult.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on June 14, 2014, 10:15:57 PM
Genuinely worried he might've topped himself

He's not been online since 3.05 !
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: miggybaggy on June 14, 2014, 10:16:58 PM
It'd be interesting to read the thoughts of Firey Moose!! Has he been banned from this forum?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johnthebaggie on June 14, 2014, 10:17:07 PM
I must admit that this is a very uninspiring appointment.

But, as the season hasn't actually started yet, shouldn't we give the man a chance?

What exactly were we expecting....., no top manager will work within the boundaries set by Peace so we were always going to be left with someone non-descrip like Irvine.

Sherwood obviously demanded too much for his assistants, however half the people on here we're dreading him coming. He also has very little management experience so what exactly makes him a better bet anyway. Yes, he did ok at spurs for five months, but they were already a decent team.

Let's just see what happens, there are no guarantees with any manager, but we ay done so bad over the years with relatively unknown managers so at least cut him some slack.

As for attracting players, yes a well known manager may attract some, BUT this is little old albion who pay quite low wages,...is having Irvine as coach really going to put players off? I don't think so, it'll be more down to the wages being paid.

But, it's all about opinions, I just think its unfair to judge someone without a ball being kicked in anger.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on June 14, 2014, 10:23:51 PM
When this goes tits up, they need to sack the WHOLE coaching team. I should be excited about the World Cup. I am not. It's just one dire decision after another. Odemwingie....was he ever in the wrong or does this club have a poison running through it?!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on June 14, 2014, 10:24:05 PM
He's not been online since 3.05 !


He's probably drowing his sorrows somewhere. Just as long as he's not drowning himself!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on June 14, 2014, 10:24:59 PM
A lot of us will hope that this is a roaring success but it's the logic or lack of in the appointment that is stunning.

Think the club are too obsessed with this 'head coach' tag. Can they not see that for the main man looking after the 1st team, no matter what he's called, man management  and team management is a huge part of the role.

Irvine's record as a No. 1 is not good enough to warrant this appointment. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on June 14, 2014, 10:25:22 PM

He's probably drowing his sorrows somewhere. Just as long as he's not drowning himself!!!
Might involve white smoke.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on June 14, 2014, 10:25:52 PM
It'd be interesting to read the thoughts of Firey Moose!! Has he been banned from this forum?
Hope not! Be like banning the Marx Bros!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: charliemike on June 14, 2014, 10:27:58 PM
Like many on here I have many doubts about this . What we hope for now is signings with for me more of an influence of youth . I can't at the moment see the wisdom of this appointment . He is an experienced coach ok , but will that be enough .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on June 14, 2014, 10:30:26 PM
I will say, i don't think people should protest straight away, let him prove himself, if he doesn't then show what you're made of. I like the idea of a flurry of seasons tickets being handed back in and 1000a of empty seats to send a message though. Vote with your feet first, vocal protests later
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gingernumpty on June 14, 2014, 10:31:56 PM
Always try to see the positives despite peace being more interested in making money for himself than WBA, the quality of football and what he has referred to in the past as the great unwashed.  He has not only cocked up here massively but after last season and what was needed,  I am still seething after letting it sink in!  There was no passion or excitement last year as the sole has been sucked from the club I have supported, attended and followed for 36 years.  Peace has put another nail in his own coffin here and this is about the only positive I can think of. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggyman68 on June 14, 2014, 10:32:50 PM
I must admit that this is a very uninspiring appointment.

But, as the season hasn't actually started yet, shouldn't we give the man a chance?

NO

What exactly were we expecting....., no top manager will work within the boundaries set by Peace so we were always going to be left with someone non-descrip like Irvine.

Premiership experience

Sherwood obviously demanded too much for his assistants, however half the people on here we're dreading him coming. He also has very little management experience so what exactly makes him a better bet anyway. Yes, he did ok at spurs for five months, but they were already a decent team.


Sherwoods team were never going to be as cheap as the chuckle brothers kiely and downing! You have to pay for quality after al


Let's just see what happens, there are no guarantees with any manager, but we ay done so bad over the years with relatively unknown managers so at least cut him some slack.

Why? He has no right to be Albion manager

As for attracting players, yes a well known manager may attract some, BUT this is little old albion who pay quite low wages,...is having Irvine as coach really going to put players off? I don't think so, it'll be more down to the wages being paid.

Yes they are going to be drawn to us like flies to poo, we couldn't even afford a decent back room staff but had to recycle ex wolves players!!

But, it's all about opinions, I just think its unfair to judge someone without a ball being kicked in anger.

We were told the requirements would be premier experience, we have a right to be angry
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on June 14, 2014, 10:33:34 PM
I will say, i don't think people should protest straight away, let him prove himself, if he doesn't then show what you're made of. I like the idea of a flurry of seasons tickets being handed back in and 1000a of empty seats to send a message though. Vote with your feet first, vocal protests later
Great point , i think Irvine , JP and Burton should be given a chance first.......if it fails fair enough protest to high heaven then.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: socalbaggie on June 14, 2014, 10:39:23 PM
You know since RH and DA left there has been a slow and gradual rot spreading around the club. After each season we got more and more stale and failed to improve the squad in any real meaningful way. It's almost as if JP has said to himself "I'm not going to bother hiring competent, experienced, proven, solid leader types as head coaches or at other critical positions because they are going to leave me the moment a bigger job becomes available so I'll show them by hiring no names in here then cross my fingers that they do well! Fact is JP has failed to replace both DA and RH and the club has suffered as a result! Each time we bring a head coach in with little or no PL head coach/manager experience we drop down the table like a rock. Was happening with RDM till RH stabled things then SC had some success at first just like RDM but quickly saw that end with results so bad one could argue his second half results deserved firing. Again with PM no PL experience and a language barrier saw us just barely scrape survival and now the same mistake once again with AI. If I can see this pattern am I really to believe JP doesn't! This isn't even an appt where you can make an argument that's he's the right choice! It's beyond comprehension for me because I truly feel were being set up to fail and I can't grasp why!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johnthebaggie on June 14, 2014, 10:42:38 PM

Many thanks for your views.

If it fails then we will have every right to moan and groan, but until then I can't really see the problem.

Talk about an over reaction.

Like I said.......it's only an opinion.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 14, 2014, 10:43:33 PM
Great point , i think Irvine , JP and Burton should be given a chance first.......if it fails fair enough protest to high heaven then.
No why on earth should we.

This is an appointment too far, and it I u fans that need some respect, and something Irvine must earn.

Sorry but I just can't get my head around this appointment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Jack Russell on June 14, 2014, 10:44:17 PM
Great point , i think Irvine , JP and Burton should be given a chance first.......if it fails fair enough protest to high heaven then.
. A chance my bottom. Not a chance I hell.  good bye this site I retire and I will be askingjfor my money back o Monday I won't swear but that's how  I feel . Mods please close my account
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johnthebaggie on June 14, 2014, 10:44:31 PM
Great point , i think Irvine , JP and Burton should be given a chance first.......if it fails fair enough protest to high heaven then.
Hear, hear

It's getting a bit silly on here now with people threatening this that and the other.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on June 14, 2014, 10:45:42 PM
Treating us fans to another year of Premier League football at some of the cheapest prices in the Premier League. Who knows whether Irvine will be successful here but he at least needs to be given a chance now that he has been appointed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Doobuy on June 14, 2014, 10:46:55 PM
The club has gone from strength to strength under JP. I'm prepared to give this decision the benefit of the doubt. But we need a string of good signings and a solid start to the season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on June 14, 2014, 10:47:50 PM
No why on earth should we.

This is an appointment too far, and it I u fans that need some respect, and something Irvine must earn.

Sorry but I just can't get my head around this appointment.
So booing from the first day of Irvine being in charge will help will it ? , he has been bought in for reasons JP and Burton believe in.....as i say if it doesn't work out fair enough but i will give it a fair chance.
Lets see if some of our players improve (Mulumbu for one) under Irvine and his alledged coaching talent.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on June 14, 2014, 10:48:06 PM
No why on earth should we.



Because they expect us all to be good little boys and girls and just wear it. Have our moan and then calm down and let the club get on with it like we usually do.

That way they can do what they like and treat the fans like mugs.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: sie_davo on June 14, 2014, 10:48:16 PM
I live in Cheshire now and my 6 year old lad loves footy, but doesn't 'support' anyone yet.  Naturally I've bought him albion shirts and taken him to a couple of games (Wigan 2-3, Fulham 1-1 and a pre-season friendly) to try to subtlely persuade him to pledge his allegiances to us. Naturally round here his mates follow the big clubs and he's leaned more towards City because of this, but he always talks of 'we', 'us' and 'the Albion' when we chat about our matches.

Tonight it broke my heart to tell him not to bother supporting us. Our club is a shambles, and in an era when money now dominates the game, I find it sickeningly ironic our chairman persists in showing a permanent lack of ambition, or indeed class.

I feel for Irvine because he will face the ire of fans when he should not be in this position. There are better candidates out there - but they will cost money (high wages/compensation) to bring in but Mr Peace will hide behind his minions within their various departments who spout propaganda and spin while his 'customers' have to put up with this farce.

I hope I'm wrong about Irvine, as I'm sure we all do, and we have a season to be proud of, but a coach who has not even been touted as a candidate to any job throughout the chopping and changing of all clubs over three years? Get real messers Burton and Peace.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 14, 2014, 10:49:33 PM
How are we going to attract better quality players with Irvine as head coach.
We could have gone for Jol, Or Zola, coaches with premier league experience who could attract the players we need to improve the squad.
I really think that Peace almost does things like this on purpose to prove that he rules the club and sod what we want.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on June 14, 2014, 10:52:52 PM
How are we going to attract better quality players with Irvine as head coach.
We could have gone for Jol, Or Zola, coaches with premier league experience who could attract the players we need to improve the squad.
I really think that Peace almost does things like this on purpose to prove that he rules the club and sod what we want.
Strangely the offer of premier league football will attract better players (and higher wages) or are you expecting us to be attracting the likes of Messi?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on June 14, 2014, 10:53:23 PM
How are we going to attract better quality players with Irvine as head coach.
We could have gone for Jol, Or Zola, coaches with premier league experience who could attract the players we need to improve the squad.
I really think that Peace almost does things like this on purpose to prove that he rules the club and sod what we want.
I tend to think the days of players being attracted to clubs by managers are going , money talks to be honest .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Avonbaggie on June 14, 2014, 10:53:32 PM
Just a quick managerial summary:

- Took over at Preston whilst in relegation battle. Finishes 15th.
- Gets Preston into playoff on LAST day of the season due to other results. Loses playoff semi final.
- Season after goes on a run of 1 win in 10 and is sacked

- Joins Wednesday and they are relegated his first season in charge
- Sacked season after with Wednesday in 12th in League One

On what grounds does that make him ready to be a Premier League manager??
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbako on June 14, 2014, 10:53:46 PM
Treating us fans to another year of Premier League football at some of the cheapest prices in the Premier League. Who knows whether Irvine will be successful here but he at least needs to be given a chance now that he has been appointed.

No complaints with how the club is being run then?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: garry on June 14, 2014, 10:54:05 PM
Treating us fans to another year of Premier League football at some of the cheapest prices in the Premier League. Who knows whether Irvine will be successful here but he at least needs to be given a chance now that he has been appointed.
Missing the point.
We should not be on a wing and a prayer.
As a club starting our fifth successive season in the top-flight we should be able to attract someone better.
The problem is that the structure of the club is now wrong.
It might have worked in the past but it is obviously now deterring anyone from joining us.
We need a 'manager', not a head coach.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Avonbaggie on June 14, 2014, 10:54:26 PM
I tend to think the days of players being attracted to clubs by managers are going , money talks to be honest .

Well if money talks we are b*ggered then!!  :P
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on June 14, 2014, 10:54:54 PM
I tend to think the days of players being attracted to clubs by managers are going , money talks to be honest .

Money talks indeed!

As such we are ******!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on June 14, 2014, 10:57:04 PM
No complaints with how the club is being run then?
In my supporting lifetime, which is about 30 odd years, we are in the best position we have ever been.  I did once think I would never see us play top flight football again.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 14, 2014, 10:57:13 PM
Strangely the offer of premier league football will attract better players (and higher wages) or are you expecting us to be attracting the likes of Messi?

I am not expecting Messi but players I believe have to respect the head coach and they are more likely to respect a Zola than an unknown coach such as Irvine, did you know where he was working as a coach until today. I didn't
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on June 14, 2014, 10:58:16 PM
Money talks indeed!

As such we are  .....!
Yet we still pulled in Lugano , Sinclair , Anelka , Morgan , Anichebe , Sess........not one of those would be cheap on wages or fees.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 14, 2014, 10:58:22 PM
I'm Albion. Blue and white, or white and blue, through and through. Have been since before I was born, will be as long as my name is remembered. I love this club, good and bad, win or lose.

Good luck Alan, not my choice but the choice none the less. Do your best mate and I will support you. That is the contract, simple.

I'll be there next season. As will my kids. It's a family thing and always will be. They grew up in much worse times, with worse managers and far worse players. And still they believe.

My club, right or wrong. Our club, right or wrong.

Come on you Baggies.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on June 14, 2014, 11:00:31 PM
I get that some will offer a more balanced view, and be a little less irrational ...

But frankly I can't agree. Hate the appointment. Hate Peace, and slowly and surely falling out of love with the club. It's doing its best to undermine the faith and emotional investment of the fans and frankly I don't know if I can be arsed to give up so much of my time, effort and finances any more.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on June 14, 2014, 11:01:15 PM
I am not expecting Messi but players I believe have to respect the head coach and they are more likely to respect a Zola than an unknown coach such as Irvine, did you know where he was working as a coach until today. I didn't
Roy Hodgson was drummed out of Liverpool because he didn't have the respect of the players or fans but worked out well for us and now is England coach. Give him a chance.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on June 14, 2014, 11:03:07 PM
I think its time for JP to go. Its all well and good keeping finances level but he shows a lack of ambition and openly calls us a Championship team.
In this day of silly money he has kept us afloat but there is now a pattern of poor hiring decisions and even the most trusted supporter is losing faith. I have witnessed some poor choices over the last 30 years but what the heck is going on with this choice. Nothing against AI but we could easily do better and should have.
Please someone buy this club and remove JP.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: royhan on June 14, 2014, 11:04:58 PM
Since Mel left I have logged on daily -indeed often several times daily - to every newspaper within 200 miles of the Hawthorn; I have religiously read fans' forums, social media sites etc awaiting for the Head Coach appointment we have all craved. Then at about 6.30pm  I interrupted my sunbathing to check if the coveted appointment had been made. It had, but I still cannot believe it is true. JP had told us he had learned from last year's disastrous mistakes. What a load of bull. He has conned fans into buying season tickets on the back of his broken promises. I have always been a JP fan. Not any more. He is just getting ready to line his already bulging pockets. I hope fans who own shares are not similarly conned into accepting his cut price offer.i fear the worst for next season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Westie on June 14, 2014, 11:14:18 PM
My support for WBA has been all that has retained my interest in football for some time now. I loathe a lot of the people involved in football, I loathe the continual cheating, I loathe the greedy, thick players (not all are) Nd above all, I loathe FIFA and all it stands for. Therefore, I am not in the least interested in the World Cup. Oh, nearly forgot, I loathe Jeremy Peace for conning me out of the money I paid for a season ticket. My heart told me to buy, my head said NO; the heart won. BIG MISTAKE. Maybe I'll just write it off as money down the drain and not bother going to The Hawthorns any more until Peace is gone. Outraged.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 14, 2014, 11:14:28 PM
Roy Hodgson was drummed out of Liverpool because he didn't have the respect of the players or fans but worked out well for us and now is England coach. Give him a chance.

With respect to Irvine there is a huge difference in coaching and management experience between Hodgson and Irvine. Hodgson has coached and managed at International level, Top European club level and Premier league level and remind me where Irvine has coached and managed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: charlebaggie on June 14, 2014, 11:20:25 PM
This is my only comment I'm going to make on this subject . But the guys who were saying Roy Hodgson  might just have a point . He just could be keeping the seat warm for Roy when the World Cup is over and he's had a break .After all it is only a 12 mth rolling contract ( Let's Hope)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 14, 2014, 11:20:57 PM
So booing from the first day of Irvine being in charge will help will it ? , he has been bought in for reasons JP and Burton believe in.....as i say if it doesn't work out fair enough but i will give it a fair chance.
Lets see if some of our players improve (Mulumbu for one) under Irvine and his alledged coaching talent.
Who said anything about booing, I certainly didn't.

As I said earlier, would be very surprised now if the likes of mule but bother to stick around, Irvine has a very bad reputation among many players and agents, so expect a bit of an exodus
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on June 14, 2014, 11:23:51 PM
Last season many raved about Rodgers at Liverpool yet people forget he struggled at Watford for a while , left for Reading and got sacked 6 months later before getting a surprise chance at Swansea and the rest we know.
Clearly the fact he followed Martinez and was left with a half decent side shows he could be more successful with better players , maybe if we are lucky the same will happen Irvine.....but he has to be given a fair chance first by all IMO.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 14, 2014, 11:23:59 PM
Yet we still pulled in Lugano , Sinclair , Anelka , Morgan , Anichebe , Sess........not one of those would be cheap on wages or fees.
WHAT!!!!

And they were badly judged, not a decent one amongst them, just goes to show how bad we were, now about to get a whole lot worse.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 14, 2014, 11:24:57 PM
Who said anything about booing, I certainly didn't.

As I said earlier, would be very surprised now if the likes of mule but bother to stick around, Irvine has a very bad reputation among many players and agents, so expect a bit of an exodus

Mule but? That's no way to,speak about Jonas.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 14, 2014, 11:26:19 PM
Last season many raved about Rodgers at Liverpool yet people forget he struggled at Watford for a while , left for Reading and got sacked 6 months later before getting a surprise chance at Swansea and the rest we know.
Clearly the fact he followed Martinez and was left with a half decent side shows he could be more successful with better players , maybe if we are lucky the same will happen Irvine.....but he has to be given a fair chance first by all IMO.

Ar but at least he had some decent experience behind him, this guy hasn't even been a first team coach for 3-4 years.

This is Peaces choice Irvine has got to EARN any respect
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on June 14, 2014, 11:27:55 PM
Who said anything about booing, I certainly didn't.

As I said earlier, would be very surprised now if the likes of mule but bother to stick around, Irvine has a very bad reputation among many players and agents, so expect a bit of an exodus
Yet already a few of his former players have spoken in favour of him , to be fair he won't be dealing with agents. Booing maybe was the wrong word , your previous post was negative towards Irvine when i said he should at least be given a chance.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 14, 2014, 11:28:44 PM

This is Peaces choice Irvine has got to EARN any respect

Fair point, but that doesn't mean we have to start by writing him off and deriding him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on June 14, 2014, 11:30:22 PM
Ar but at least he had some decent experience behind him, this guy hasn't even been a first team coach for 3-4 years.

This is Peaces choice Irvine has got to EARN any respect
Quite agree as i said to you earlier JP and Burton have put themselves in the firing line now , yes Irvine has got to earn respect but he should also be given the CHANCE to earn that respect.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bangkokbaggie on June 14, 2014, 11:30:44 PM
Having just woken up to the news and not yet gone through all the posts, quite unbelievable. Contradicts what Peace said he wanted a few weeks ago.

It just confirms even more that the club set up is all Championship. Suspect that very few more season tickets will be sold now. We can't attract coaches of any worth (RH was tipped off and a stepping stone to the England job I am convinced).

Oh, and that word 'delighted' used again by the spin artists at the club.

Let's see if the new coach and club prove me wrong.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: weareblueweare white on June 14, 2014, 11:36:50 PM
Some of the early names mentioned, Jol Malkay Hughton who I wouldn't have wanted I would take now over this
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 14, 2014, 11:38:40 PM
Quite agree as i said to you earlier JP and Burton have put themselves in the firing line now , yes Irvine has got to earn respect but he should also be given the CHANCE to earn that respect.
Bugger and now Italy score.

JP has gone way past the firing line, according to some fans he has lied or at best misled us into thinking we could get better.

Seriously it is beyond the pale and just not in anyway acceptable, and he should have made a better appointment.

And boing boing we are drawing
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bangkokbaggie on June 14, 2014, 11:46:20 PM
And to add many of you guys who renewed season tickets must be regretting it now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 14, 2014, 11:49:15 PM
Fair point, but that doesn't mean we have to start by writing him off and deriding him.
I think as fans we deserve, and we're led to believe we would get better than we have.

Fans are basing their thoughts on his track record, two season of taking clubs backwards, at lower levels. Three seasons out of front line management, and a very poor reputation of man management, so I think he has a long way to go to prove himself.

We didn't appoint, we didn't t ask from him.

He applied for the job, so he is the one that has it all to prove, as baggies fans we have not had the best of seasons.

Having said that we are still in the prem., however so were wolves, then they made a load of silly managerial decision and look where that got them, so naturally as fans we are very very very concerned.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on June 14, 2014, 11:49:35 PM
Bugger and now Italy score.

JP has gone way past the firing line, according to some fans he has lied or at best misled us into thinking we could get better.

Seriously it is beyond the pale and just not in anyway acceptable, and he should have made a better appointment.

And boing boing we are drawing
Again i agree with you , the Irvine appointment will either be a disaster or master stroke to be honest.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 14, 2014, 11:52:43 PM
Bugger and now Italy score.

JP has gone way past the firing line, according to some fans he has lied or at best misled us into thinking we could get better.

Seriously it is beyond the pale and just not in anyway acceptable, and he should have made a better appointment.

And boing boing we are drawing

If he'd made a decent appointment England would have our undivided attention right now.

SERIOUSLY this appointment is lousy, don't try and dress it up. If Irvine does well for us I will eat a number of hats for you all no problem.

The BIGGEST part of this is undoubtedly is Peace talking utter ***** - paraphrasing here but
1. I've learned my lesson
2. We need someone with Premiership experience/ someone with quality to operate at this level.

You talk utter rubbish Peace and I will not be happy now until you had gone for good. Along with Pinky and Perky.

God this club is several shades of screwed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 14, 2014, 11:52:58 PM
Again i agree with you , the Irvine appointment will either be a disaster or master stroke to be honest.
Appointments always are, but some are more predictable than others, and our last two appointments were not good enough, and now we go for a man with even less experience, beggars belief.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 14, 2014, 11:56:32 PM
If he'd made a decent appointment England would have our undivided attention right now.

SERIOUSLY this appointment is lousy, don't try and dress it up. If Irvine does well for us I will eat a number of hats for you all no problem.

The BIGGEST part of this is undoubtedly is Peace talking utter ***** - paraphrasing here but
1. I've learned my lesson
2. We need someone with Premiership experience/ someone with quality to operate at this level.

You talk utter rubbish Peace and I will not be happy now until you had gone for good. Along with Pinky and Perky.

God this club is several shades of screwed.

Here here, I just have no appetite for the England game, I am still fuming and annoyed.

16000 fans have been duped, yes most of us probably would have renewed even if we signed Steve bull as coach, maybe not, but it is the absolute contempt that pEace and his sidekick treat the honest hard working fan with.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on June 14, 2014, 11:58:47 PM
Appointments always are, but some are more predictable than others, and our last two appointments were not good enough, and now we go for a man with even less experience, beggars belief.
All i can say is they must have a reason , i know they say about his excellent coaching so i hope to see Morrison , Brunt and especially Mulumbu find the form us Baggies fans know they have shown in the past..
Fly or die really on this one although i suspect JP knows he can turn to Burton and Downing if the worst happens
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 15, 2014, 12:03:41 AM
All i can say is they must have a reason , i know they say about his excellent coaching so i hope to see Morrison , Brunt and especially Mulumbu find the form us Baggies fans know they have shown in the past..
Fly or die really on this one although i suspect JP knows he can turn to Burton and Downing if the worst happens
As I say I wouldn't be surprised to see Mulumbu, Brunt and Morrison, even Foster engineer a move away now.

Mulumbu was far from happy before this appointment, god knows what he is thinking now.

BTW didn't rate Burtons appointment anyway, think he might be being used a future excuse/shield for any flak heading peace's way

You ever get the idea that Peace might be going down the Vile route, not signing any decent players, and going down the cheap academy route?

That what it smells of to me.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 15, 2014, 12:15:54 AM
As I say I wouldn't be surprised to see Mulumbu, Brunt and Morrison, even Foster engineer a move away now.

Mulumbu was far from happy before this appointment, god knows what he is thinking now.

BTW didn't rate Burtons appointment anyway, think he might be being used a future excuse/shield for any flak heading peace's way

You ever get the idea that Peace might be going down the Vile route, not signing any decent players, and going down the cheap academy route?

That what it smells of to me.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 15, 2014, 12:25:26 AM
How can this be a masterstroke its pure cheap and utter desperation because no1 choice new he couldnt work with peace
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: paulosull on June 15, 2014, 12:27:07 AM
 :o this has to be a bad joke peace has to go what the foooook planet is this bloke on and does he give a toss about our club or fans relagation is the only word I can think of
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 15, 2014, 12:28:18 AM
:o this has to be a bad joke peace has to go what the foooook planet is this bloke on and does he give a toss about our club or fans relagation is the only word I can think of

No. He does not give a toss about our club.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: weareblueweare white on June 15, 2014, 12:31:41 AM
Again i agree with you , the Irvine appointment will either be a disaster or master stroke to be honest.
A masterstroke WTF :o
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: blue on June 15, 2014, 01:00:50 AM
How can the word masterstroke be used when you have appointed a failed championship/ div 1 head coach/ manager.
Alan ivine is about as bad an appointment I can ever imagine.

Please someone wake me up from this nightmare.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on June 15, 2014, 01:02:17 AM
Missing the point.
We should not be on a wing and a prayer.
As a club starting our fifth successive season in the top-flight we should be able to attract someone better.
The problem is that the structure of the club is now wrong.
It might have worked in the past but it is obviously now deterring anyone from joining us.
We need a 'manager', not a head coach.
Wigan had NINE years in the PL, they still struggled to regularly pick up already good players. time in this league means nothing, mate..

You also say the make up is wrong, yet more clubs than ever employ it? ok then...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: frazzle on June 15, 2014, 01:05:26 AM
Some of the early names mentioned, Jol Malkay Hughton who I wouldn't have wanted I would take now over this

Good point. I wasnt excited by any of these but if I was told that it was all a joke and we had appointed Hughton I'd now be ecstatic!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Bigrob80 on June 15, 2014, 01:06:06 AM
I am not spending a penny this year on shirt or tickets!
Very unimpressed with the quality of this appointment, can't see us adding any good players neither! Championship here we come.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on June 15, 2014, 01:11:54 AM
I've never known such a consensus from the fans and even outside neutrals regarding the appointment of a manager, there's no divisions, there's no minority...everyone is in unison that this is a dreadful appointment which is telling.

You know why I think Peace has bought Irvine in? I think after Ashworth has gone he's panicked since last seasons shambles, and as seen in his recent interview he said how he wanted improvements, in other words I think he's realised how key Ashworth was. With this in mind, he's thought "what would Ashworth do?" and remembered that Ashworth would have seriously considered Irvine for the job alongside Di Matteo in '09. With this in mind he's thought Irvine has some quality about him as Ashworth was rarely wrong.

My beef is that it's been 5 years since Ashworth considered him. In this time Irvine has failed massively at two lower league clubs and has been out of management for nearly 5 years, which is why this appointment is so horrendous.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbako on June 15, 2014, 01:21:19 AM
In my supporting lifetime, which is about 30 odd years, we are in the best position we have ever been.  I did once think I would never see us play top flight football again.

See for me, football isn't just about league position.

I couldn't care less about what league we are in as long as the fans are at the heart of the club. That brings me to our current situation: Mr Peace is treating the fans like mugs. The news today is following on from a season which has had PR gaffe after PR gaffe. Peace then realised a statement admitting to mistakes and a promise to improve for the new season. There was also an intention, or so we thought, to bring in an manager with experience at the highest level who could change our fortunes. Instead we get Alan Irvine.

I am incredibly disillusioned at the moment. I have been going down the Albion for 20 years, home and away, but today was the last straw. I will not be attending next season. Many may think that makes me a bad supporter, but those who know me know how much Albion mean to me and wouldn't dream of accusing me of that.

Irvine could go on to be a success - for me, that's not the point. The point is those in charge have chose to lie to the fans of this club.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on June 15, 2014, 01:23:32 AM
So what's Irvine's philosophy?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggieboyfred on June 15, 2014, 01:24:05 AM
i am in the middle of a nightmare , i am sure i will wake up soon and find out that a proper manager with premiership experience has got the job, cannot believe JP has left Downing on the staff never mind appointing an academy coach from another club  with no worthwhile senior management experience to join him
I hope and pray i hold my hands up at the end of the season and say you were right , but i suspect i along with thousands of other baggies will be saying i told you so.
never in the 60 years i have supported this club, have i witnessed such a farce regarding the managers job, my mate did not renew his season ticket for next season , i reckon he must have known something i did 'n't
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 15, 2014, 01:28:46 AM
Playing Devils advocate here; how can anyone slate the club for making a statement about making improvements on last year when we haven't kicked a ball. He's uninspiring and a bizarre appointment, but you're comparing last season to an imaginary season you've made up in your head. You can't claim that the club have sold us for mugs claiming they've convinced us to renew on a promise of improvement when we won't know for months if that's true or not.

I'm not in favour of this appointment on any level, but until we have results to compare you can't say that the club have lied and we haven't rectified mistakes. If by some miracle this appointment works how many people will hold their hands up and say 'I jumped the gun'?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 15, 2014, 01:30:30 AM
i am in the middle of a nightmare , i am sure i will wake up soon and find out that a proper manager with premiership experience has got the job, cannot believe JP has left Downing on the staff never mind appointing an academy coach from another club  with no worthwhile senior management experience to join him
I hope and pray i hold my hands up at the end of the season and say you were right , but i suspect i along with thousands of other baggies will be saying i told you so.
never in the 60 years i have supported this club, have i witnessed such a farce regarding the managers job, my mate did not renew his season ticket for next season , i reckon he must have known something i did 'n't

I didn't renew either I was waiting for the new head coach to be appointed and I suspected Peace would go for a cheap left field option. I don't even think he was ever going to offer Sherwood the job and just used him not agreeing terms with his assistants as an excuse. He treats our supporters as idiots but we can see through his smokescreen.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Pedro on June 15, 2014, 01:35:44 AM
I have backed Peace through thick and thin...sadly I can't anymore. A bloke who just doesn't want it anymore. Underwhelmed I think they call it! I wasn't that excited about Sherwood but this just stinks!! How can this guy be any better than Clarke who was also brought in as a wonder coach!! Disgracefull Peace, no matter what you have done until now this is a complete kick in the teeth!!! This guy won't last half a season!! Utter rubbish, £800 on season tickets for that announcement !! After 5 weeks too!! Thanks for nothing!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dudeshoes on June 15, 2014, 01:40:37 AM
It wouldn't have taken many people by surprise if West Brom had chosen Tim Sherwood as Pepe Mel's replacement as it seemed like a perfect fit. However they seem to have caught everyone out by appointing former Preston North End and Sheffield Wednesday manager Alan Irvine.

At the age of 55, Irvine doesn't have a great deal of managerial experience and has mainly spent his time as a youth coach or in charge of academies. However in the summer of 2009 Irvine was in talks with West Brom with regards to becoming their manager following an impressive season in the Championship with Preston.

At the time The Baggies were looking to replace Tony Mowbray who had left to join Celtic and Alan Irvine had guided PNE to the play-offs before a poor display against Sheffield United ended their hopes of promotion. At the time Irvine claimed he rejected the job and they went on to appoint Roberto Di Matteo.

Since then Di Matteo has won the Champions League and Irvine was relegated with Sheffield Wednesday before returning to Everton as Academy manager. Irvine will now get his chance to manage at The Hawthorns having signed a 12-month rolling contract.

In Irvine's only full season in charge with Preston he took them to 6th place with a dramatic last minute goal at Deepdale, and from the outside it may look as if his dismissal just seven months later was harsh. It wasn't however, and Irvine's brand of football was boring the fans and wasn't picking up enough points anymore. Irvine had inherited a very good squad left over from the Billy Davies days whilst Paul Simpson had made some decent additions.

The Scot was given plenty of money to develop the squad but wasted it on players such as Neal Trotman and Richard Chaplow. In 2009 Preston had the chance to sign Charlie Adam but Irvine chose to sign Veliče Šumulikoski instead. (The 'Macedonian Gerrard' in case you didn't know). Adam went on to score 16 goals and almost on his own clinched promotion for Blackpool. Šumulikoski on the other hand played just 15 games for North End.

In 2011 Preston were relegated from the Championship and with the money that Irvine had wasted it was him who had started the ball rolling.

He also took Sheffield Wednesday down in 2010 and despite being given a big budget again by new owner Milan Mandaric he failed to build a side capable of challenging at the top of League One and was sacked with The Owls in 15th place.

Irvine's strengths certainly weren't in the transfer market or with tactics, he was however appreciated by the players and they were devastated when he left. He is respected at youth level in the Premier League and is credited with bringing players like Steven Taylor, Jack Rodwell and Ross Barkley in his time.

The 55-year-old isn't ready for Premier League management. It's a harsh environment to manage in and he will need to hit the ground running, there isn't time to slowly develop things at this level.

Tim Sherwood was the other man in contention and is thought to have rejected the job. Pepe Mel hadn't managed in the Premier League before and he wasn't deemed good enough, and whilst Irvine and his assistant Rob Kelly have experience in plenty of areas, the Premier League isn't one of them.

West Brom need to focus on their additions this summer and Irvine doesn't have a great track record with those. One positive is that he is likely to put his faith in the youth following his background and players such as Saido Berahino and George Thorne could come to the forefront.


http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/06/14/jm-west-brom-have-made-a-huge-mistake-in-appointing-alan-irvine/? (http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/06/14/jm-west-brom-have-made-a-huge-mistake-in-appointing-alan-irvine/?)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 15, 2014, 01:58:21 AM
So what's Irvine's philosophy?

He is a cut of the same cloth as Roy Hodgson. He will aim to get us incredibly organised and our patterns of play will be rigid and structured. There is very little room for attacking maneuver or flexibility. A large number of fans from both Preston and Sheffield Wednesday have referred to his football as boring, mind numbing so I would imagine we'll be opting for a defensive approach maybe relying on our counter attacking to get us points. I really cannot see us being adventurous and taking the game to our opponents and I would certainly say we'll see a lot of long balls.

I was talking to some of my Wednesday supporting mates earlier about him and they referred to him as a game of chess - players unsure where to go just incase they leave their rigid structure. He's very studious when it comes to detail but appears to get too bogged down in what the opposition are likely to do and therefore forgets what his own side should be doing.

I'm not expecting samba football, just defensive organsiation, boring football and 16,000 incredibly frustrated supporters who appear to have been sold down a river with this appointment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on June 15, 2014, 02:07:24 AM
Support a puppet ................never, he should not be allowed within a million miles of the club! no track record of any sort in the last 5 years, no track record at all in the premier league, a great track record....................of upsetting supporters at his last 2 clubs , Didnt expect Guardiola etc but this really does beggar belief!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: swad35 on June 15, 2014, 02:08:02 AM
I don't think I have ever been so disillusioned about our club, there almost appears to be a lack of respect or even contempt for the fans. What reaction did **** think he would get after this appointment.

Didn't expect a world beater but they're is not many managers I wouldn't take over this bloke.

Got to be a wind up.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on June 15, 2014, 02:22:12 AM
The Scot was given plenty of money to develop the squad but wasted it on players such as Neal Trotman and Richard Chaplow. In 2009 Preston had the chance to sign Charlie Adam but Irvine chose to sign Veliče Šumulikoski instead. (The 'Macedonian Gerrard' in case you didn't know). Adam went on to score 16 goals and almost on his own clinched promotion for Blackpool. Šumulikoski on the other hand played just 15 games for North End.

In 2011 Preston were relegated from the Championship and with the money that Irvine had wasted it was him who had started the ball rolling.

He also took Sheffield Wednesday down in 2010 and despite being given a big budget again by new owner Milan Mandaric he failed to build a side capable of challenging at the top of League One and was sacked with The Owls in 15th place.


Presumably such personnel moves will not be within his remit at The Hawthorns, and given his absence of reputation, he will have no leverage to alter that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 15, 2014, 02:27:09 AM
http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/06/14/jm-west-brom-have-made-a-huge-mistake-in-appointing-alan-irvine/? (http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/06/14/jm-west-brom-have-made-a-huge-mistake-in-appointing-alan-irvine/?)

That article is seriously depressing.

We are a Premier League football club, why don't we bloody act like one?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on June 15, 2014, 02:32:41 AM
Did you forget to check this bit Jeremy


 His CV leaves a lot to be desired, with spells at Preston and Sheffield Wednesday bearing little fruit. Certainly nothing to

 muppet appoitment due diligence lmfao!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bigbaggieboy on June 15, 2014, 02:41:45 AM
At the end of the day i know most fans want an enigmatic coach who excites us not just on the pitch but in the media, however i believe this to be a very good appointment, his only criticisms for his former jobs are that he spent his money incorrectly and played "boring" football, at the albion he will not be spending our money and we probably have most if not all of our targets set up already by burton and company. And in terms of style of play i'd just be happy to watch us win a few games this season especially at home which was a deflating (to say the least) place to be last season. Irvine is a fantastic coach who will unite the players which is what we truly need and get the most out of the youngsters such as thorne and the under performers such as morrison who must will be dying to work with somebody on their wavelength after the mel fiasco. lest not forget that the bulk of this squad got us eight a year ago and a few shrewd addditions (irvine being one of them) could take us back there. This should be seen as Burtons choice and we should have no reason to distrust him, Peace may be a fool but I don't think anyone should believe he has a major say in who is a good or bad coach when a man of burtons experience is in the fold
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Atomic on June 15, 2014, 02:51:44 AM
At the end of the day i know most fans want an enigmatic coach who excites us not just on the pitch but in the media, however i believe this to be a very good appointment, his only criticisms for his former jobs are that he spent his money incorrectly and played "boring" football, at the albion he will not be spending our money and we probably have most if not all of our targets set up already by burton and company. And in terms of style of play i'd just be happy to watch us win a few games this season especially at home which was a deflating (to say the least) place to be last season. Irvine is a fantastic coach who will unite the players which is what we truly need and get the most out of the youngsters such as thorne and the under performers such as morrison who must will be dying to work with somebody on their wavelength after the mel fiasco. lest not forget that the bulk of this squad got us eight a year ago and a few shrewd addditions (irvine being one of them) could take us back there. This should be seen as Burtons choice and we should have no reason to distrust him, Peace may be a fool but I don't think anyone should believe he has a major say in who is a good or bad coach when a man of burtons experience is in the fold


Look at the fan reaction to this appointment. Tell me one situation where there's been a fan reaction like this and the appointment has worked out successfully. I can't think of one.

This appointment has absolutely no chance of being a success.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on June 15, 2014, 03:48:37 AM
Just woke up and saw this. Can't be arsed anymore to be honest. Sick joke....at least it will be a popular decision with all the other PL fans.....one relegation place already sorted.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Andio on June 15, 2014, 03:51:14 AM
At the end of the day i know most fans want an enigmatic coach who excites us not just on the pitch but in the media, however i believe this to be a very good appointment, his only criticisms for his former jobs are that he spent his money incorrectly and played "boring" football, at the albion he will not be spending our money and we probably have most if not all of our targets set up already by burton and company. And in terms of style of play i'd just be happy to watch us win a few games this season especially at home which was a deflating (to say the least) place to be last season. Irvine is a fantastic coach who will unite the players which is what we truly need and get the most out of the youngsters such as thorne and the under performers such as morrison who must will be dying to work with somebody on their wavelength after the mel fiasco. lest not forget that the bulk of this squad got us eight a year ago and a few shrewd addditions (irvine being one of them) could take us back there. This should be seen as Burtons choice and we should have no reason to distrust him, Peace may be a fool but I don't think anyone should believe he has a major say in who is a good or bad coach when a man of burtons experience is in the fold

I'll have a pint of whatever you've been drinking.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: iwastherein68 on June 15, 2014, 06:55:04 AM
I'm Albion. Blue and white, or white and blue, through and through. Have been since before I was born, will be as long as my name is remembered. I love this club, good and bad, win or lose.

Good luck Alan, not my choice but the choice none the less. Do your best mate and I will support you. That is the contract, simple.

I'll be there next season. As will my kids. It's a family thing and always will be. They grew up in much worse times, with worse managers and far worse players. And still they believe.

My club, right or wrong. Our club, right or wrong.

Come on you Baggies.
My sentiments exactly, have been going for 60 years, and not about to stop now, been disappointed more times by poor players and managers than I care to remember but outside of family this club is the love of my life, and neither JP or Alan Irvine or any of our underperforming players will turn me away from something that I love. Whatever your present feelings are, they will be short lived if we get some decent players and results. Don't give up, this is all part and parcel of supporting the Albion.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on June 15, 2014, 07:51:42 AM
After my initial suicidal thoughts and gut reaction to what appears to be another piece of dogs*** from Peace. I must say that I feel really sorry for Andy Irvine. Surely he must be reading these forums and be wandering what the he'll he is letting himself in for. It's not his fault we have been duped and lied to. We need to spare our condemnation for the bald a**** and support our new HC. Up yours Peace, come on Andy,  prove us all wrong and show us what you can do.
(Still gobsmacked)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on June 15, 2014, 07:52:20 AM
Has he resigned yet (hopefully) ??? ???
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 15, 2014, 07:56:36 AM
After my initial suicidal thoughts and gut reaction to what appears to be another piece of dogshit from Peace. I must say that I feel really sorry for Andy Irvine. Surely he must be reading these forums and be wandering what the he'll he is letting himself in for. It's not his fault we have been duped and lied to. We need to spare our condemnation for the bald ahole and support our new HC. Up yours Peace, come on Andy,  prove us all wrong and show us what you can do.
(Still gobsmacked)

Don't say there's another one WTF is Andy Irvine?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 15, 2014, 08:04:02 AM
Just got up hoping that I had had a bad dream.
Unfortunately it isn't.
Why the hell has it taken 5 weeks to appoint Alan Irvine?
Ok I hear you say 'lets give the guy a chance' but I think even the most studious of us can see that this appointment will end in tears.
We will get approx. £100m into the coffers this year and it was beyond Peace to release the purse strings a pay a few more shilling to get their first choice candidate on board
Disgraceful.
The Hawthornes could be a vey toxic place next season
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aixelsyd on June 15, 2014, 08:15:39 AM
Well that is a problem solved for me...

We are coming over to Europe in mid September.... getting all the bookings sorted out now.

We were only going to go the England so I could get to a couple of games....

Just told my Wife not to bother anymore and we can spend more time in Greek Islands.

...

a large chunk of me just stopped caring
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: alwaysbilly on June 15, 2014, 08:17:52 AM
Just got up hoping that I had had a bad dream.
Unfortunately it isn't.
Why the hell has it taken 5 weeks to appoint Alan Irvine?
Ok I hear you say 'lets give the guy a chance' but I think even the most studious of us can see that this appointment will end in tears.
We will get approx. £100m into the coffers this year and it was beyond Peace to release the purse strings a pay a few more shilling to get their first choice candidate on board
Disgraceful.
The Hawthornes could be a vey toxic place next season
Just remembered too - still feel sick by this appointment and will ruin my day again.
Renewed my ticket for 14th season - will not trust a word that comes out of Dr Evils mouth again
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: HampshireBaggie on June 15, 2014, 08:21:30 AM
Would somebody please try and get hold of Jack Russell. Poor bloke.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adamstv on June 15, 2014, 08:47:02 AM
Listening to Talksport and last on the agenda was AI appointment at WBA . The words used by the journalist were "cheap option" "underwhelming" and "fearful for WBA next season". He was a reasoned journalist (not really a contradiction in terms) but had nothing positive to say about the appointment. He believed Sherwwod had been offered job Thursday but after 3 days of talks it broke down on Saturday afternoon and then "2minutes" later we wheel out Alan Irvine- so what Terry Burton is saying is a load do codswallop.

Unfortunately I was one of the suckers taken in by Jeremy Peace when he said he had learnt etc..... And renewed my ticket. Unfortunately it looks like you can't get a refund but whilst he has my money it doesn't mean I have to put any more money into his coffers so no more purchasing of anything from the club whilst he is in charge. It may be like an ant shouting with all that tv money rolling in but I have to make a stand. Peace is doing this I believe with an ulterior motive my thoughts nobody else's .

At this moment I am devastated with the appointment but I will wait and see what happens between now and kick off to see who we bring in.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: chipperclark on June 15, 2014, 08:50:39 AM
 :'( We will be the "whipping boys" of the Premiership. 20th spot guaranteed.

We won't be able to keep hold of Foster, Mulumbu, Olsson, Sess,and Yacob....what a ballsup of an appointment.

Who the hell is going to sign for us with an unknown Premiership coach.

WTF is happening at our club???
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 15, 2014, 08:52:53 AM
Listening to Talksport and last on the agenda was AI appointment at WBA . The words used by the journalist were "cheap option" "underwhelming" and "fearful for WBA next season". He was a reasoned journalist (not really a contradiction in terms) but had nothing positive to say about the appointment. He believed Sherwwod had been offered job Thursday but after 3 days of talks it broke down on Saturday afternoon and then "2minutes" later we wheel out Alan Irvine- so what Terry Burton is saying is a load do codswallop.



You're basing your opinion of Burton's statement on something you heard a Talksport journalist saying he "believed"? Do you think that's wise?

They're not exactly regarded as a reliable source realistically are they? Tabloid radio.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mulliganstired on June 15, 2014, 08:59:10 AM
After my initial suicidal thoughts and gut reaction to what appears to be another piece of dogs*** from Peace. I must say that I feel really sorry for Andy Irvine. Surely he must be reading these forums and be wandering what the he'll he is letting himself in for. It's not his fault we have been duped and lied to. We need to spare our condemnation for the bald a**** and support our new HC. Up yours Peace, come on Andy,  prove us all wrong and show us what you can do.
(Still gobsmacked)

Ex-Scotland rugby full back...?  He'd have us putting in the tackles at least.

Seriously, I hope Irvine's got a thick skin, he's going to need  it first few in the dugout!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on June 15, 2014, 09:00:13 AM
Wasn't a dream then oh dear baldy hold onto your hat your in for a bumpy ride
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 15, 2014, 09:00:22 AM
Would somebody please try and get hold of Jack Russell. Poor bloke.
He did post yesterday evening - you must have missed it.

Having slept on it, I feel the same as yesterday, although I am someone whose views remain consistent until something happens to change them. This appointment absolutely beggars belief and is about as small-time as it's possible for a Premier League club to get. A handful of people are trumpeting Irvine's supposed wonderful coaching skills. Apart from a couple of players tweeting (and how can you be sure they aren't being sarcastic?), where's the evidence for this massive coaching ability that he has? Do we take it that he didn't coach the players at Preston and Sheff Wed, because what happened to them suggests their players didn't receive good coaching.

As far as his tactics are concerned: playing defensively even when losing? Playing a midfield entirely comprising central midfielders? Mind you, Albion's lack of options in the past have led to that on occasions. Dazzling wing-play doesn't sound like it's going to be high on Irvine's agenda.

Even if you think the appointment is based on him bringing through academy players, even if he does have skills in that respect, any high quality academy players we develop will be poached for a pittance before they get near the first team. Everton is a big enough club to be able to hang on to most of its best academy players, but we're not. To be honest, we might as well shut it down, as it's never likely to be anything more than a feeder academy for other clubs. Peace is taking the wrong road if he thinks he can rely on the academy.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on June 15, 2014, 09:03:40 AM
Happy Fathers Day! HAHA!

IF and I really mean IF he is as good a coach as is being reported then why not employ him in the academy where his talents lie?

I do agree all he has done is apply for a job and got it but JP wants F**KING HANGING!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wba1993dave on June 15, 2014, 09:07:05 AM
Can't believe what the clowns have done. How can we be excited with this tit in charge. This guy is a loser plain and simple plays bog standard football according to Sheff Wed and Preston supporter's and is another dour Scott who will bore us to death.Please make a U turn ffs.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: HampshireBaggie on June 15, 2014, 09:21:59 AM
A mate if mine has a theory that Ferdinand's contract was complicated with Spurs and we couldn't sort it out so we have appointed Irvine as a stop gap until the contract issue is sorted out before we appoint Sherwood. Reckons the 12 month rolling contract proves this and he'll be gone in 3.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on June 15, 2014, 09:35:16 AM
A mate if mine has a theory that Ferdinand's contract was complicated with Spurs and we couldn't sort it out so we have appointed Irvine as a stop gap until the contract issue is sorted out before we appoint Sherwood. Reckons the 12 month rolling contract proves this and he'll be gone in 3.

Sounds a bit far fetched! Why would his be more complicated? What would be wrong with Employing Sherwood then Ferdinand in 3 months?! Sorry but his theory has flaws all over it!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 15, 2014, 09:44:05 AM
A mate if mine has a theory that Ferdinand's contract was complicated with Spurs and we couldn't sort it out so we have appointed Irvine as a stop gap until the contract issue is sorted out before we appoint Sherwood. Reckons the 12 month rolling contract proves this and he'll be gone in 3.

He's been an academy coach for years so he could switch to that after three months if the theory is true. The fans were already claiming it was a farce waiting a couple of extra days, maybe the appointment of Irvine just gets a name in instead of really ballsing up over another months wait over Ferdinand.

I'm running out of straws to clutch at.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 15, 2014, 09:47:15 AM
After my initial suicidal thoughts and gut reaction to what appears to be another piece of dogs*** from Peace. I must say that I feel really sorry for Andy Irvine. Surely he must be reading these forums and be wandering what the he'll he is letting himself in for. It's not his fault we have been duped and lied to. We need to spare our condemnation for the bald a**** and support our new HC. Up yours Peace, come on Andy,  prove us all wrong and show us what you can do.
(Still gobsmacked)

The musician or the former Scottish Rugby player, either of which are probably better suited to football management?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: weareblueweare white on June 15, 2014, 09:49:00 AM
A mate if mine has a theory that Ferdinand's contract was complicated with Spurs and we couldn't sort it out so we have appointed Irvine as a stop gap until the contract issue is sorted out before we appoint Sherwood. Reckons the 12 month rolling contract proves this and he'll be gone in 3.
Wishful thinking. This appointment is a f#ck up of biblical proportions that takes us back to some of the disasters in the late 80's/early 90's.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBASPE77 on June 15, 2014, 09:50:13 AM
I'm still in shock and still very very annoyed by this appointment I think this its a poorer appointment than Bryan Robson. The whole thing is awful I had a feeling that the longer it took us to sort Sherwood out the less likely we would get him  What Peace said a few weeks ago about learning from previous mistakes is utter rubbish. For a number of years I have been a fan of him for the job that he has done but the last twelve months my feelings have gone completely the other way I will be watching for a far next season as last season was woeful this season will be even worse. Peace has gone one too many in my opinion.
I felt the club did some good getting rid of Mel a day after the season ended and some dead wood going but this is awful
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: robnewbold on June 15, 2014, 09:50:39 AM
See what I mean, forgotten his name already!,
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on June 15, 2014, 09:50:53 AM
He's been an academy coach for years so he could switch to that after three months if the theory is true. The fans were already claiming it was a farce waiting a couple of extra days, maybe the appointment of Irvine just gets a name in instead of really ballsing up over another months wait over Ferdinand.

I'm running out of straws to clutch at.

Let it go man, let it go
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mifos on June 15, 2014, 09:50:57 AM
I don't care if he's the best coach in the world (which unfortunately he isn't), his appointment stamps 'lack of ambition' all over West Bromwich Albion. We need to rebuild a squad and we needed someone with strong links at the highest levels of the game , a name potential recruits could believe in, and a coach that will make our existing players excited at the thought of the new season, would instil confidence throughout the club, an inspirational figure that gets the most out of players and a team,  someone the fans could believe in and be excited about, someone that would have turned 16000 ST sales into 20000 , instead we get Alan Irvine, an appointment that would turn 16000 into 10000 if refunds are allowed. The exact opposite of the type of person we needed. Disappointed and angry doesn't cover it.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bradleysrocket on June 15, 2014, 09:51:23 AM
We were close to appointing him before RDM by all accounts. If he was that strong a candidate surely he would have got the job on one of the several other occasions that its come up since. Its something I just cant get my head round.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: alwaysbilly on June 15, 2014, 09:51:53 AM
:'( We will be the "whipping boys" of the Premiership. 20th spot guaranteed.

We won't be able to keep hold of Foster, Mulumbu, Olsson, Sess,and Yacob....what a ballsup of an appointment.

Who the hell is going to sign for us with an unknown Premiership coach.

WTF is happening at our club???

That's exactly what dr evil wants. High earners out - championship and academy in
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albertbaggie on June 15, 2014, 10:10:57 AM
Gutted by Alan Irvine's appointment.
Just feels like board have stuck two fingers up the supporters yet again.
Might as well have just appointed Downing and Kiely.
I just hope that, having thought Gary Megson was a dire appointment at the time, Irvine pleasantly surprises me in same way

That said, People saying 'how will we attract players now?' ...realistically, who did you think we were going to sign? It won't make a jot of difference to the kind of players we  were always likely to bring in.


Also, I understand Sheff Wed slagging off the appointment but I do treat with suspicion the Preston supporters having a dig. Have looked back at  articles from the time and people were shocked to see him  go. Wiki  even says 'His departure from Preston caused outrage from fans'
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on June 15, 2014, 10:11:26 AM
Can you imagine your kids handing you an Albion Season Ticket for Fathers day? You would be proper P**sed Off!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: royhan on June 15, 2014, 10:15:46 AM
As Irvine and Terry Burton -  two people who you would expect to have a big say in signings -  have spent recent years involved in Academy football who will decide on what players we sign for next season - apart from JP? Could it be our friend Garlick, who was involved in the signing of such 'super stars' as Anichebe, Sinclair and Thievy! OK, we have our network of scouts like all other clubs, but surely we need top-grade football professionals to scout players before they are signed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kris_boing on June 15, 2014, 10:20:00 AM
Having slept on it I'm still seething. Just cannot see the logic in this appointment. It like one massive slap in the face for the fans.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbarenno on June 15, 2014, 10:21:30 AM
Just out of interest is there anybody happy with the apointment?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on June 15, 2014, 10:24:57 AM
Just out of interest is there anybody happy with the apointment?

Perhaps Alan Irvine, can't think of many others.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mifos on June 15, 2014, 10:25:04 AM
WBAFCofficial @WBAFCofficial  ·  4m

Irvine will complete his move to The Hawthorns once he has officially signed off from his current role as Everton’s academy manager 2/3


If its not official yet then can somebody with contacts at the club please contact Jeremy Peace, sit him down and make him read this thread, and get him to change his mind. I know it would be a PR disaster, but better that than stick with this decision.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wba1993dave on June 15, 2014, 10:30:01 AM
Sadly we're stuck with him ffs. :-X Protesting will do jack sh#t .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: HampshireBaggie on June 15, 2014, 10:33:58 AM
One thing is for certain is JP needs to address the meltdown. He needs to come out justify his decision. Without him doing this there are absolutely now logical reasons for this appointment. Not holding me breath on this mind.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on June 15, 2014, 10:42:46 AM
The notion that the owner of a successful, multi-million-pound business cares less about it than its customers is laughable. We may be bitterly disappointed if the club are relegated, but none of us are going to lose millions of pounds because of it.

Unless someone can give a remotely plausible reason why JP would want to destroy his largest asset, we must assume that he simply thinks Alan Irvine is the best man available for the position. It seems unreasonable to hang them both in effigy before Irvine has done anything.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 15, 2014, 10:44:45 AM
his only criticisms for his former jobs are that he spent his money incorrectly and played "boring" football

And relegated a solid Championship club in Sheffield Wednesday.

And relegated a solid Championship club in Preston North End.

You forgot those two highly important pieces of information.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 15, 2014, 10:51:40 AM
A mate if mine has a theory that Ferdinand's contract was complicated with Spurs and we couldn't sort it out so we have appointed Irvine as a stop gap until the contract issue is sorted out before we appoint Sherwood. Reckons the 12 month rolling contract proves this and he'll be gone in 3.

If only this was true.
Not a chance IMO.
If they wanted to go down that road why not appoint Sherwood now and Ferdinand comes on board in 3 months time.
The obvious truth is what happened on Friday and a stumbling block was hit where they couldn't agree a rate for Ferdinand and co.
£100m in this season and they couldn't agree a rate for two coaches.
Poxy club
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albion79 on June 15, 2014, 10:55:38 AM
I have found reading this forum since the appointment quite interesting. It would appear nobody is happy with the appointment but peoples responses go from giving him a chance, to those who seem to be desperate to organise protests, banners, etc.

Personally if you wish to make a stand then to me that would to ask for Season Ticket refunds, Greenock Baggies post was quite touching as there is somebody who travels thousands of miles to watch his team (and i know there are load of others who do the same) and this appointment has pushed him too far so he is wanting a refund, hope he changes his mind but if not fair play to him for making his personal stand, no agenda just personal action.

I think the club have got it wrong on a few occasions, i think its poor form to let the news break when the whole country is focusing on the England match, they must of known what the news would be greeted like. Also i think the last 12-18 months wrong appointments have been made, i still dont understand the Clarke was a failure thing, yes we were struggling and it was boring, but he also got us our highest ever Prem finish and we werent in the relegation Zone when he left, whatever factors, built on the back of Roys team, lucky with Lukaku, etc the facts stay the same so on that basis, overall i would say Clarke was a successful appointment, previous managers before him the last 10 years also achieved certain milestones so to say constant wrong appointments is harsh.

Garlick and McDonough it would seem were mistakes, one has now gone, the other has been moved elsewhere and we have brought in somebody who has been involved with football all his life and is well respected, on paper that would seem we have learnt from the mistakes, of course it could go wrong but surely worth giving him a chance? Same applies to Alan Irvine, Pepe Mel was a strange one, ultimately he kept us up and that was his remit, however it would it wasnt down to him, things werent right and he was sacked at earliest opportunity and we have looked at another angle in Irvine.

Like i think 99.9% of Albion fans, Irvine wouldnt of been my first choice, probably wouldnt of even made my top 10 but he is here now. JP and Burton must of seen something and got a plan that they see with him and can work together, we tried the older 'proven' types last year and it got us nowhere so it would seem we are targeting the young hungry players, ideally from our own academy, the academy has to serve a purpose and if young players can see a route to the first team, maybe they wont clear off to Liverpool aged 14, etc. Also from what we know there were some bad eggs in the dressing room last year, perhaps in the players who have left some of those bad eggs have gone and new younger hungrier players can come in and not be part of the old 'clique' its a new start.

The comments from Preston and Sheffield Wednesday fans arent great towards Irvine, but maybe with Burton taking care of the day to day rubbish, ie - player disputes, contracts, etc then Irvine can focus on the coaching which would appear is his main attribute, we have 4 x coaches now it would seem (that in itself could be a bit confusing) but if Irvine comes in, lets the players know who is boss, it may just work, we are building a new team which needs to be coached, Irvine can certainly do that, its whether his managerial skills are upto scratch.

I have major reservations about the appointment but now he is here, its going to be a new look management, a new look team, (even a new look kit!) so i want to try and look forward to seeing that with hungry players, not over paid premadonnas, and see what happens before writing us off, if it goes t*ts up then JP has to face all the flak that comes his.

One final thing, there seems to be this obsession that we are trying to things on the cheap, we want to be in the championship (he didnt actually say that), in what way would that benefit JP or anybody at all? JP is trying to buy shares at £3k a pop i believe? If we go down we lose millions and millions in value off the club, our income reduces greatly, and after incurring 5 years of premiership income and outgoings, there is no way any sane person would actual want us to go down as a business, let alone the bloke who runs it! I have backed JP but i think this time he really has put his neck on the line but lets see what happens, we could be an all out entertaining side doing well, or we could be bottom without a point but surely give people a chance, especially when probably 8 times out of 10 they have got it right in the past.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smosher34 on June 15, 2014, 10:56:07 AM
I feel like we have been sent down to the championship already .  >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 15, 2014, 11:13:09 AM
its going to be a new look management

Is it really?

We had the perfect opportunity to refresh the whole club and the management set up and we've failed to utilise it by keeping Keith Downing and Dean Kiely - christ knows why.

We've now appointed a failed football manager who has two relegations too his name at the only two clubs he has ever managed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on June 15, 2014, 11:17:18 AM
I have found reading this forum since the appointment quite interesting. It would appear nobody is happy with the appointment but peoples responses go from giving him a chance, to those who seem to be desperate to organise protests, banners, etc.

Personally if you wish to make a stand then to me that would to ask for Season Ticket refunds, Greenock Baggies post was quite touching as there is somebody who travels thousands of miles to watch his team (and i know there are load of others who do the same) and this appointment has pushed him too far so he is wanting a refund, hope he changes his mind but if not fair play to him for making his personal stand, no agenda just personal action.

I think the club have got it wrong on a few occasions, i think its poor form to let the news break when the whole country is focusing on the England match, they must of known what the news would be greeted like. Also i think the last 12-18 months wrong appointments have been made, i still dont understand the Clarke was a failure thing, yes we were struggling and it was boring, but he also got us our highest ever Prem finish and we werent in the relegation Zone when he left, whatever factors, built on the back of Roys team, lucky with Lukaku, etc the facts stay the same so on that basis, overall i would say Clarke was a successful appointment, previous managers before him the last 10 years also achieved certain milestones so to say constant wrong appointments is harsh.

Garlick and McDonough it would seem were mistakes, one has now gone, the other has been moved elsewhere and we have brought in somebody who has been involved with football all his life and is well respected, on paper that would seem we have learnt from the mistakes, of course it could go wrong but surely worth giving him a chance? Same applies to Alan Irvine, Pepe Mel was a strange one, ultimately he kept us up and that was his remit, however it would it wasnt down to him, things werent right and he was sacked at earliest opportunity and we have looked at another angle in Irvine.

Like i think 99.9% of Albion fans, Irvine wouldnt of been my first choice, probably wouldnt of even made my top 10 but he is here now. JP and Burton must of seen something and got a plan that they see with him and can work together, we tried the older 'proven' types last year and it got us nowhere so it would seem we are targeting the young hungry players, ideally from our own academy, the academy has to serve a purpose and if young players can see a route to the first team, maybe they wont clear off to Liverpool aged 14, etc. Also from what we know there were some bad eggs in the dressing room last year, perhaps in the players who have left some of those bad eggs have gone and new younger hungrier players can come in and not be part of the old 'clique' its a new start.

The comments from Preston and Sheffield Wednesday fans arent great towards Irvine, but maybe with Burton taking care of the day to day rubbish, ie - player disputes, contracts, etc then Irvine can focus on the coaching which would appear is his main attribute, we have 4 x coaches now it would seem (that in itself could be a bit confusing) but if Irvine comes in, lets the players know who is boss, it may just work, we are building a new team which needs to be coached, Irvine can certainly do that, its whether his managerial skills are upto scratch.

I have major reservations about the appointment but now he is here, its going to be a new look management, a new look team, (even a new look kit!) so i want to try and look forward to seeing that with hungry players, not over paid premadonnas, and see what happens before writing us off, if it goes t*ts up then JP has to face all the flak that comes his.

One final thing, there seems to be this obsession that we are trying to things on the cheap, we want to be in the championship (he didnt actually say that), in what way would that benefit JP or anybody at all? JP is trying to buy shares at £3k a pop i believe? If we go down we lose millions and millions in value off the club, our income reduces greatly, and after incurring 5 years of premiership income and outgoings, there is no way any sane person would actual want us to go down as a business, let alone the bloke who runs it! I have backed JP but i think this time he really has put his neck on the line but lets see what happens, we could be an all out entertaining side doing well, or we could be bottom without a point but surely give people a chance, especially when probably 8 times out of 10 they have got it right in the past.


Must admit 79, I've got a lot of empathy with your argument. I think it's fair to say that Alan Irvine has a totally different brief with us than he did with SW or PNE,  he will be a component part of a coaching and tactical team, & as you say, he won't have to persue transfer targets.
I have to say, it's not an appointment that inspires me, & I do have some reservations about his tactical nouse, but I can see that it's a structure that could work.
Personally, I think the alternative appointment would have been an absolute car crash, Tim Sherwood would have wanted it his way or no way, in my opinion, that's what swayed it in the end.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 15, 2014, 11:21:14 AM
The notion that the owner of a successful, multi-million-pound business cares less about it than its customers is laughable. We may be bitterly disappointed if the club are relegated, but none of us are going to lose millions of pounds because of it.

Unless someone can give a remotely plausible reason why JP would want to destroy his largest asset, we must assume that he simply thinks Alan Irvine is the best man available for the position. It seems unreasonable to hang them both in effigy before Irvine has done anything.

Well said Quakes couldn't agree more. Anybody suggesting he's milking a cash cow and trying to take us down needs their head looking at, you can't do both. Here's to miracles happening.

And agree with other posters that although on paper Sherwood looks better, that appointment could have torn the club apart - moan all you like about how Peace didn't want to pay top dollar for him and his team, but nobody should be held ransom at their own business. You give someone like Sherwood an inch and he'll take a mile.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on June 15, 2014, 11:22:45 AM
Sorry having slept on it and read all posts on here the conclusion is still the same............ It is an unjustifiable appointment announced at a time to minimize the immediate response from supporters (that failed too)toward both the incoming man and the person ultimately responsible for making the decision. It totally defies logic and can only assume it was an appointment borne of desperation having spent 5 weeks apparently faffing about, surely due diligence results wouldnt have altered much from December / January time, only to see your preferred option pull the plug at the eleventh hour. The appointment itself goes against so much of the Chairmans statement to CL at the start of the managerial search . As yet we have no major sponsor,cant see this appointment helping that situation much,and it would seem a kit for next season that is going to fly in the face of tradition how much more are we expected to accept without saying or doing diddly, as i said at the beginning unjustifiable and imo unsupportable appoitment and i for one will be doing my best to let those that made this inexpicable choice know it!!! >:( >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on June 15, 2014, 11:24:03 AM
Sadly we're stuck with him ffs. :-X Protesting will do jack sh#t .
better to try and fail than not to try at all!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 15, 2014, 11:25:28 AM

Must admit 79, I've got a lot of empathy with your argument. I think it's fair to say that Alan Irvine has a totally different brief with us than he did with SW or PNE,  he will be a component part of a coaching and tactical team, & as you say, he won't have to persue transfer targets.
I have to say, it's not an appointment that inspires me, & I do have some reservations about his tactical nouse, but I can see that it's a structure that could work.
Personally, I think the alternative appointment would have been an absolute car crash, Tim Sherwood would have wanted it his way or no way, in my opinion, that's what swayed it in the end.

Isn't that what you want from a leader? Somebody to come in and instill a bit of confidence around the place and show all and sundry whose boss?.
Not saying that's what Sherwood would have done but that's what you want
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 15, 2014, 11:26:51 AM
I thought i had a nightmare when i woke then i realised reality.I am probably at my lowest ebb in a long time as far as wba are concerned
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 15, 2014, 11:28:57 AM
Just out of interest is there anybody happy with the apointment?

I wouldn't say I was happy by any stretch of the imagination but I'm also not avoiding the medicine cabinet like many on here, Irvine is a highly respected coach within the game, anyone would think we've employed Kim Jong-il for gods sake, here's a novel idea, how about we give the guy a chance (crouch's back down behind the sofa).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: swad35 on June 15, 2014, 11:33:26 AM
I must be the only fan on here who's pleased, Peace has finally got his man a highly respected coach, who has been a successful number two, is liked by his former players, has a history of working with young players, is cheap and most importantly is Scottish.

Welcome aboard Steve Clarke.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on June 15, 2014, 11:36:17 AM
Well said Quakes couldn't agree more. Anybody suggesting he's milking a cash cow and trying to take us down needs their head looking at, you can't do both. Here's to miracles happening.

And agree with other posters that although on paper Sherwood looks better, that appointment could have torn the club apart - moan all you like about how Peace didn't want to pay top dollar for him and his team, but nobody should be held ransom at their own business. You give someone like Sherwood an inch and he'll take a mile.

In that case you'd expect JP to go down the 'safe' route and employ some middle of the road coach with a reasonable amount of Prem experience. Granted any appointment is risky but this one is downright stupidity. JP really is playing russian roulette with his interests.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: darbolina on June 15, 2014, 11:38:00 AM
This seems a bad decision on many levels , Irvine's first team coaching pedigree, relationship with fans of clubs he's managed and players he signed in the past - all of which should've been the leading criteria for choosing our new head coach?

If the theory is to focus on coaching to better nurture and bring on young players,either academy or new signings, then a well respected academy coach on the first team staff would achieve this. However, the demands of the top coaching/managers job in the premier league are such that you need to be a politician and excellent at handling the media/fans as well as players/ training. Pepe was great at the PR side of things in spite of his limited English - I'm not sure on his coaching ability to be honest. The point is, to have a criteria based solely on technical coaching ability is badly flawed, particularly at a time when our club clearly needed a 'leader' / figurehead to galvanise the players, fans and to create a perception the club were ready to progress. A 'leader' can be a figurehead like Roy of course rather an someone who is actually calling all of the shots.

 By creating a perception that the club is going places, it means fans, media and as a result players (prospective signings) buy into this vision. The appointment of Irvine actually shows the opposite (I'm sure this wasn't the intent) I.e. that WBA are ready to consolidate,sign young lower league players and young foreigners to build for a future which the club accept might involve dropping down the divisions at some point. Irvine is a Championship appointment at best, however a large change in structure (ousting Downing and Kiely in the process) would involve an owner admitting his whole plan and fundamental principles are wrong. Those same principles he perceives have brought success for ten years - no one can argue we've progressed in the past ten years. However, a leader (like it or not Peace is the current actual leader and not a Roy style figurehead) must surely see that with a structure which has brought success, there are also fundamental problems this causes eg lack of flexibility and too much upheaval , that these problems are creating uncertainty and prompting our best young players to want to leave rather than 'buy into' a club which will nurture them.
No owner in their right mind (?) would welcome or court relegation knowingly (££££) , however surely beginning the season with a manager with an (outward) style of dour pragmatism and a poor first team coaching record at League one level is leaving the door wide open to fans to 'devour' the coach within ten games.

Irvine seems to be a good workshop foreman promoted to CEO because he did a good job at managing a workshop. It's rare this kind of guy will work out in such a high profile job in an environment of large Egos (boardroom, players, agents) but I'll take my hat off to the club if we win 6 games by Christmas.

I just hope we don't lurch into a Keen at Blackburn style implosion on and off the field now that sees the club fighting the fans who want Irvine sacked by October following no wins. Only some significant signings - not necessarily big money but signings of vision and balance - will start to change the fans and media perception.

Can we not strengthen our voice to Peace by using the only language he knows - shares and money. I have no money to invest but with a collective fans voice intent of creating a greater fans ownership, this would make Peace have to listen to our collective voice more. People talk of the balance German club ownership brings. Why not try to begin this at WBA for long term reasons ( it wouldn't happen overnight).

You can tell I've thought about this all and care but I won't be spending any money at the club shop or ground including tickets until I see that investment (yes I 'invest' or give charitable donations to the club so it can have a better future - not to create profit for shareholders) is well managed and the top people at the club share their vision in a way that I can understand clearly.

First time poster who is struggling to accept that the club can implode again after being there throughout the dire 80s and 90s years where fans and board were often in conflict.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cads_ap_albion on June 15, 2014, 11:39:19 AM
What has inebriated me off the most are two things:

 1. Albion wait until the day of the England game.
2. 14 working days have passed since deadline so people will not get refunds.

The contempt and cynicism for the fans just appalls me. irvine might be decent but it's the sheer contempt...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on June 15, 2014, 11:39:44 AM
imagine the england bench last night,

Good game Danny (Welbeck)
Cheers Ben, I feel a lot more confident in myself now we don't have Moyes and the Dutch national manager is coming in.

By the way Ben hows things going at your place ? :-X
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Plastic Paddy on June 15, 2014, 11:40:19 AM
What on earth has JP done?  >:( Whilst the appointment of Pepe Mel was not a universal success, at least it united the fans. By giving Alan Irvine the job, Pearce has more than likely sealed our relegation to the Championship next season. If he wasn't good enough in 2009 to beat RDM to the job how can he possibly be good enough now?

Over the last 5+ weeks we have been linked with numerous names (some good, alot bad/uninspiring) but I can't actually think of anyone I would have wanted less and that includes Neil Lennon, Chris Hughton, Malky Mackay & Dave Jones!

However, whilst I appreciate that I am in the minority judging by the comments so far, everyone deserves a chance to prove themselves. AI will get my full support however the team needs to hit the ground running otherwise I imagine the atmosphere will turn "poisonous" very quickly  :(

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on June 15, 2014, 11:43:14 AM
I wouldn't say I was happy by any stretch of the imagination but I'm also not avoiding the medicine cabinet like many on here, Irvine is a highly respected coach within the game, anyone would think we've employed Kim Jong-il for gods sake, here's a novel idea, how about we give the guy a chance (crouch's back down behind the sofa).
All for giving the guy a chance but there must be dozens of 'highly respected' coaches in the land who are not suited to being No.1 at a premier league club. I said it above, he may be 'head coach' but there are a lot of management skills needed  in being No 1 at a club.....the evidence for Irvine being a good choice is very very hard to find.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on June 15, 2014, 11:43:47 AM
Isn't that what you want from a leader? Somebody to come in and instill a bit of confidence around the place and show all and sundry whose boss?.
Not saying that's what Sherwood would have done but that's what you want

In my experience, the best leaders have an ability to listen, not sure the word's in Sherwood's vocabulary.
I'm not trying to justify the Irvine appointment, & by choice I'd have had neither, but with Sherwood, the car crash would have happened, it would just have been a matter of when.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cads_ap_albion on June 15, 2014, 11:47:37 AM
In my experience, the best leaders have an ability to listen, not sure the word's in Sherwood's vocabulary.
I'm not trying to justify the Irvine appointment, & by choice I'd have had neither, but with Sherwood, the car crash would have happened, it would just have been a matter of when.

i agree a major crisis with sherwood and peace was just round the corner. I don't mind not having sherwood but the coincidence of releasing the news hours before England just appalls me.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on June 15, 2014, 11:48:26 AM
In my experience, the best leaders have an ability to listen, not sure the word's in Sherwood's vocabulary.
I'm not trying to justify the Irvine appointment, & by choice I'd have had neither, but with Sherwood, the car crash would have happened, it would just have been a matter of when.
Not so much a car crash with Irvine................more like a 20 ton truck ran into it whilst parked out side your house 10 minutes before you have to go out!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on June 15, 2014, 11:51:06 AM
In my experience, the best leaders have an ability to listen, not sure the word's in Sherwood's vocabulary.
I'm not trying to justify the Irvine appointment, & by choice I'd have had neither, but with Sherwood, the car crash would have happened, it would just have been a matter of when.
With Sherwood the car crash might have happened. On the other hand he may go on to have a successful managerial career - we just don't know, but it would have been interesting to find out and would have put bums on seats at least for a while. We probably would have had more chance of attracting players and raising the profile of the club a bit also.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on June 15, 2014, 11:51:42 AM
Their social networks are getting slammed!! There's probably some poor SEO marketing guy/gal who is going to have to deal with us baggies using that as our soap box. I think if it's relentless over the next few months it'll get noticed.

Part of my job is running social network profiles for companies and if I was in charge of baggies' one I'd retweet and share as many possible disgruntled tweet and Facebook statuses till I got the sack!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on June 15, 2014, 11:51:52 AM
In my experience, the best leaders have an ability to listen, not sure the word's in Sherwood's vocabulary.
I'm not trying to justify the Irvine appointment, & by choice I'd have had neither, but with Sherwood, the car crash would have happened, it would just have been a matter of when.

I agree with your point, I never got the fascination with Sherwood, he would have been a disaster I reckon, but so will Irvine most likely. The difference is, Sherwood was young, had a bit of potential and was clearly not a yes man - who had charisma and passion. I'm not saying that would make him into a decent manager, but at least it would have been more fun to watch and you could connect with the club a bit more with someone like that involved.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on June 15, 2014, 11:54:38 AM
After sleeping on it the only positive I can come up with is its not Irvines fault he just applied for a job and if he had any sense he wouldn't come anywhere near
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 15, 2014, 11:57:06 AM
All for giving the guy a chance but there must be dozens of 'highly respected' coaches in the land who are not suited to being No.1 at a premier league club. I said it above, he may be 'head coach' but there are a lot of management skills needed  in being No 1 at a club.....the evidence for Irvine being a good choice is very very hard to find.

They haven't been given the job though mukka, Irvine has & whilst he wouldn't of been anywhere near the top of my list (neither RDM, Clarke, Downing & to a degree Hodgson), he's got the gig & so will receive my support.

As an aside & this is purely a personal point but I don't get the "I want a refund" thing either, (no disrespect intended) mainly because we gave Alan Irvine the Head Coach job
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 15, 2014, 11:59:33 AM
I wouldn't say I was happy by any stretch of the imagination but I'm also not avoiding the medicine cabinet like many on here, Irvine is a highly respected coach within the game, anyone would think we've employed Kim Jong-il for gods sake, here's a novel idea, how about we give the guy a chance (crouch's back down behind the sofa).

I'll give anyone a chance but this is what you get when you force a pre-installed backroom on someone. If we were going into our first season in the Prem then I could maybe understand it more and probably accept it but we're an 'established' middle to lower team in the top division at the moment and having just endured a nightmare season on and off the pitch followed by what are now empty words/ bullshite from our leader it makes it harder to swallow. I have no issue with Irvine himself as all he did was apply for the job and has been extremely fortunate to get it, the issue is with those that have appointed him showing a lack of ambition and doing it on a shoestring. I hope I have to eat all my words next Summer but I fear this season we're going down and between Christmas and start of the 2015-2016 season we will be back in this position looking for another fall guy.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 15, 2014, 12:00:45 PM
Wish I would have applied for the job now...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 15, 2014, 12:05:04 PM
I'll give anyone a chance but this is what you get when you force a pre-installed backroom on someone. If we were going into our first season in the Prem then I could maybe understand it more and probably accept it but we're an 'established' middle to lower team in the top division at the moment and having just endured a nightmare season on and off the pitch followed by what are now empty words/ bullshite from our leader it makes it harder to swallow. I have no issue with Irvine himself as all he did was apply for the job and has been extremely fortunate to get it, the issue is with those that have appointed him showing a lack of ambition and doing it on a shoestring. I hope I have to eat all my words next Summer but I fear this season we're going down and between Christmas and start of the 2015-2016 season we will be back in this position looking for another fall guy.

Quite agree Oldbury, and having had a couple of poor seasons wiith Downing in  the backroom staff, the one common denominator, why oh why oh why has he been allowed to stay, nothing has changed, and nothing learnt.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on June 15, 2014, 12:05:20 PM
I don't know if anyone here has the answer, but how much did Peace buy the club for back in the day? I have google'd and can't find much information?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on June 15, 2014, 12:09:46 PM
Quite agree Oldbury, and having had a couple of poor seasons wiith Downing in  the backroom staff, the one common denominator, why oh why oh why has he been allowed to stay, nothing has changed, and nothing learnt.
A couple of poor seasons which included our highest ever Premier League position?  It is funny how easy history is rewritten.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: royhan on June 15, 2014, 12:12:09 PM
It will be interesting to see who are new signings will be after last year's total shambles. Irvine and Burton have been pre-occupied for the past couple of seasons with their Academy roles and will have had little or no time to go scouting; Garlick has been moved sideways and so we are left with JP, plus the usual network of scouts, which all clubs have. I really fear for us next season, but clearly JP doesn't care a toss. He will no doubt pocket a chunk of the extra TV revenue and once he gets his 75% share holding he'll do his best to flog us mid season before we get relegated.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 15, 2014, 12:17:04 PM
I'll give anyone a chance but this is what you get when you force a pre-installed backroom on someone. If we were going into our first season in the Prem then I could maybe understand it more and probably accept it but we're an 'established' middle to lower team in the top division at the moment and having just endured a nightmare season on and off the pitch followed by what are now empty words/ bullshite from our leader it makes it harder to swallow. I have no issue with Irvine himself as all he did was apply for the job and has been extremely fortunate to get it, the issue is with those that have appointed him showing a lack of ambition and doing it on a shoestring. I hope I have to eat all my words next Summer but I fear this season we're going down and between Christmas and start of the 2015-2016 season we will be back in this position looking for another fall guy.

I don't pretend to be totally happy with the 'pre installed backroom staff' & like many others wouldn't of been disappointed if they had, had a clear out when the new Coach was brought in but the fact remains that this is the 'West Brom model' which has kept us in the Prem for the longest period & I don't see it changing unless Peace sells up, then of course if some Malaysian, Russian, American Billionaire can come in & change our name/colours/venue then we might just be begging for JP to come back.

For the record, I don't think we'll get relegated next season because we're Uncle Alan's Barmy Army  :P   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 15, 2014, 12:22:47 PM
I bet even Alan Irvine woke up this morning and had to pinch himself.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on June 15, 2014, 12:24:55 PM
wouldnt be cancelling his october holiday if i were him just dont see it working, gone by September!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 15, 2014, 12:32:26 PM
I bet even Alan Irvine woke up this morning and had to pinch himself.

With any luck he'll read these pages and withdraw his application
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foster#1 on June 15, 2014, 12:35:05 PM
With any luck he'll read these pages and withdraw his application

How can he withdraw his application when he didn't even apply in the first place ?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on June 15, 2014, 12:38:33 PM
If Irvine is the answer im not sure I want to know the question in all honesty.

Cheap appointment and the 'clique' at the club between Downing and Kieliy and some of the players remain.

We had the perfect opportunity to rebuild and start again but yet again JP takes the cheap option.

It's not physically possible to contact and appoint a man within hours of Sherwood 'turning us down'.

JP knew who he wanted.

The only reason its taken 5 weeks is because JP was waiting for the right time to burry the bad news.

Sick that us fans have been treated like this.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 15, 2014, 12:40:49 PM
Irvine is to blame as much as the rest, he dont have to say yes to the job does he
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 15, 2014, 12:41:50 PM
How can he withdraw his application when he didn't even apply in the first place ?

So Jeremy walked down Preston high st bumped into Hazel and offered him the job?  ::)
To be truthful I aint in the mood today
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on June 15, 2014, 12:43:21 PM
So Jeremy walked down Preston high st bumped into Hazel and offered him the job?  ::)
To be truthful I aint in the mood today
I think Albion approached him mate.......
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on June 15, 2014, 12:44:05 PM
Irvine is to blame as much as the rest, he dont have to say yes to the job does he

Let's be honest mate, if someone offered you the role and you knew that Keily and Downing were doing the work for you and your just the face of it all, wouldn't you say yes. I know I would. :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 15, 2014, 12:47:41 PM
From an inspiring man in Pepe Mel who galvanized the supporters to another must not loose football dour scot, Great
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 15, 2014, 12:51:32 PM
If Alan Irvine is the best we can come up with then I would hate to see the other 55 candidates that applied for the job.

I feel sorry for Irvine in some respects that he's stepping his feet into a football club which at the moment has a poisonous atmosphere surrounding it. The job was already going to be big enough when you consider the work we need to do to the squad but because of his appointment he's going to be under extraordinary pressure to make sure he's get some results on the board quickly. I would imagine many will give him the chance to prove himself but if he doesn't hit the ground running then the atmosphere towards him and more importantly Jeremy Peace will become incredibly sour.

I cannot for the life of me see the logic behind his appointment but I wish him the best of luck because he's going to need it - I really cannot see him lasting the full season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mrmojorisin on June 15, 2014, 12:52:33 PM
I think it is time to get some perspective and give Jeremy Peace some well-earned credit.  He has, after all, at one stroke re-written part of the OXford English Dictionary.

He told us, in his mea culpa statement that the new head coach would be better than Steve Clarke.

At a stroke, better is no longer "the comparative of good" or "more excellent than other members of a particular group" it is now the comparative of total rubbish.

Well done JP, it takes genius to completely change the meaning of a word.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionFan on June 15, 2014, 01:19:17 PM
Through all the darkness and tears, there can be light and laughter.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00JhUADQCCY
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 15, 2014, 01:29:56 PM
Through all the darkness and tears, there can be light and laughter.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00JhUADQCCY

Classic so funny it's sad but true
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 15, 2014, 01:30:20 PM
http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/irvine-excited-by-albion-challenge-1643790.aspx

And new boss delivers message for Baggies fans

ALAN Irvine admits he is ‘excited’ about the challenge ahead after yesterday agreeing to become Albion’s new Head Coach.

The 55-year-old Scot will arrive at The Hawthorns on the back of a 22-year coaching career across England’s top three divisions.

And, with a successful five full seasons as David Moyes’ assistant at Everton under his belt, he is relishing the chance to get his teeth into his first job as a No.1 in the Barclays Premier League.

“I’m absolutely delighted to get the job,” said Irvine.

“I’ve got a great deal of respect for the club right the way from the first team through to the Academy.

“The situation at this club is similar to what I went through at Everton when I went there with David.

“It is run very sensibly and, as a result of that, any head coach coming in has got a great chance of doing a good job.

“A number of the players who have had success in the Premier League with the club are still here.

“But it’s a small squad at this moment in time and, clearly, the first job is going to have to be to get some more players in.

“My passion is for coaching and I believe my strength is on the training ground, which is where we need to get the work done.”

Irvine will work closely with Baggies Technical Director Terry Burton and is determined to deliver for the fans.

“Terry is someone I’ve respected as a coach from a distance for many years and I’m looking forward to working closely with him,” he added.

“The Hawthorns is a place I have been as a visiting manager and assistant manager, and it is always difficult to get a result.

“The fans are extremely passionate, terrific in getting behind the team, and I’m sure it is a great place to work as a player or a coach.

“I’m extremely excited about the challenge and I’ll certainly give it everything I possibly can.

“I’ll work however many hours it takes to make things work.”
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 15, 2014, 01:30:40 PM
Through all the darkness and tears, there can be light and laughter.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00JhUADQCCY

Never has something so funny been so true to fact
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: loui999 on June 15, 2014, 01:31:36 PM
Through all the darkness and tears, there can be light and laughter.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00JhUADQCCY

Hello Dingle ! Funny though fair play !
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on June 15, 2014, 01:33:53 PM
“I’ll work however many hours it takes to make things work.”

Not enough hours in the day Mr Irvine
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: valleybaggie on June 15, 2014, 01:34:11 PM
that's why we'll have a  white top with nearly invisible pinstripes so we'll look like preston appoint their useless ex manager and get sponsored by the comedy channel on sky . priceless . nevermind getting relegated to the championship division one here we come .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wba_forever on June 15, 2014, 01:36:47 PM
I am honestly really disappointed and it doesn't seem real. I was looking forward to the premier league starting but that has gone now and it is hard to be positive about it. That said I guess we will have to back him and if he does a bad job he'll be gone any way.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: nogin on June 15, 2014, 01:39:26 PM
It is quite obvious that the chairman has been watching to many scientific research programs. With him also wanting to save money he pays peanuts so Monkey sees Monkey do is his theory. That is why he keeps employing people who have worked with or under top managers. 
FFS why have we no ambition!!!! NO more money from me Mr Peace while you still run the club. :o
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 15, 2014, 01:52:30 PM
I wonder what the sponsors, shareholders and other investors make of this, we're they tied into deals as well before this shock announcement  >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionFan on June 15, 2014, 01:53:00 PM
Hello Dingle ! Funny though fair play !

If there is any doubt, I am an AlbionFan of 60 years devoted loyalty. Owners, Directors, Players et al, come and go, but AlbionFans are forever whether we like it or not at this time.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 15, 2014, 01:58:56 PM
If there is any doubt, I am an AlbionFan of 60 years devoted loyalty. Owners, Directors, Players et al, come and go, but AlbionFans are forever whether we like it or not at this time.

Yes we are, however this time, it is time for us to stand up and voice our concerns, ok it might not do us any good in the short term, but at least it may vent off some of the frustrations we have.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 15, 2014, 02:06:28 PM
that's why we'll have a  white top with nearly invisible pinstripes so we'll look like preston appoint their useless ex manager and get sponsored by the comedy channel on sky . priceless . nevermind getting relegated to the championship division one here we come .

Do you know, if we had to do that to get rid of the half wits that makes up our board of directors and chairman, I would gladly see us go through that pain.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: DannyAJM on June 15, 2014, 02:11:43 PM
Only one reason for this appointment that i can see.

Employ a youth coach (Irvine) to bring through academy players into the first team when they get any good sell them and pocket all the profit. Plus you will pocket the savings in wages, which will be low for a bunch of kids. Also you can run the club like this in any division so Peace will not give a damn if we are relegated.

We are gearing up to be a selling club and once Peace has 75% we are completely done for. I normally back our players / staff to the max but i can't see any other explanation for this and will therefore not give Irvine a single second of support.

Irvines interview made me laugh you can just see the brief before hand "make sure you mention we will be signing players and that your a good coach."
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 15, 2014, 02:14:11 PM
If there is any doubt, I am an AlbionFan of 60 years devoted loyalty. Owners, Directors, Players et al, come and go, but AlbionFans are forever whether we like it or not at this time.

Never doubted you mate  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Groovephil on June 15, 2014, 02:34:31 PM
Been away all weekend and only just heard this. Got to be the worst decision in the last 10 years. He'll be sacked at Christmas. The players will have no respect for him whatsoever, just like the fans.

I dread to think what the ground will be like should we lose our first few games.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 15, 2014, 02:42:20 PM
After thinking about it all night and all day this appointment makes no sense at all. I
just can't accept this.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: boing boing baggies on June 15, 2014, 03:18:26 PM
Been away all weekend and only just heard this. Got to be the worst decision in the last 10 years. He'll be sacked at Christmas. The players will have no respect for him whatsoever, just like the fans.

I dread to think what the ground will be like should we lose our first few games.

Empty is what it will be!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BAGGIE5 on June 15, 2014, 03:25:32 PM
Still now I just don't understand it. Most important appointment to create a positive feel and it's f"&£)£?( Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BAGGIE5 on June 15, 2014, 03:27:18 PM
Thought Peace was trying to correct the wrongs. what bubble do they live in. Last season ticket for me. They f;:£ this up they deserve what they get.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on June 15, 2014, 03:28:06 PM
Ridiculous process and decision, sick of being mugged off by Peace, wish I could fathom his agenda.
I thought I would never see us in Prem again, but Peace made it happen, now he seems hell bent on taking us back.
Irvine will not be a success, even if we win a few it will be with sickening football, not for me thanks.
At least I can cancel sky sports as I won't be watching for news every day of the transfer window. The type of players we will now attract won't even warrant a banner across the bottom of the screen!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johnthebaggie on June 15, 2014, 03:29:27 PM
Irvine is to blame as much as the rest, he dont have to say yes to the job does he
That has to go down as one of the daftest posts I've seen.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on June 15, 2014, 03:32:06 PM
There is no doubting that the guy is a top coach.  People within the game speak highly of his methods. 

That’s the only positive spin I can put on it at the moment. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on June 15, 2014, 03:40:52 PM
Personally I think we are back to a point where we are closest to when our footballing model was most succesful (under Roy). A "players" coach who hopefully can bring back harmony to the dressing room and who is prepared to work within the director of football model. Because he may be perceived to have failed at some other clubs does not mean that he will automatically fail here as we employ a different structure. Big characters are not required at the Hawthorns.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 15, 2014, 03:44:43 PM
There is no doubting that the guy is a top coach.  People within the game speak highly of his methods. 

That’s the only positive spin I can put on it at the moment.

No they don't speak highly oif him at all, not that I know
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 15, 2014, 03:46:50 PM
Personally I think we are back to a point where we are closest to when our footballing model was most succesful (under Roy). A "players" coach who hopefully can bring back harmony to the dressing room and who is prepared to work within the director of football model. Because he may be perceived to have failed at some other clubs does not mean that he will automatically fail here as we employ a different structure. Big characters are not required at the Hawthorns.

Sorry, no we're not, RH had years and years of experience from various leagues and countries, Irvine had just PNE and SW and failed at both  :o

We couldn't be further away from that place, many players who played under him have said his man management skills were appalling.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: rubyruby on June 15, 2014, 03:48:00 PM
 Not been on for a while but crikey JP even by your standards this one is from the left field. Cant help but feel a bit for irvine with the impending rabbit in the headlights scenario. One can only assume that after last seasons debacle that JP has decided to get behind the steering wheel once again and that his well worn strategy of "the sum of the parts equals the whole" is again right at the top of the agenda. Expect a string of low budget take a chance signings to bulk out the squad. To be honest im not that bothered who the coach is its more the style of football for me. I would have liked to see pepe mel given a chance to bring in a bit more flair. Will irvine bring a moyes style? If so then I for one will be disappointed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on June 15, 2014, 03:49:16 PM
No they don't speak highly oif him at all, not that I know

Really?  I've seen several players and a coach say he is a top coach just this morning..
 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: swad35 on June 15, 2014, 03:50:09 PM
Personally I think we are back to a point where we are closest to when our footballing model was most succesful (under Roy). A "players" coach who hopefully can bring back harmony to the dressing room and who is prepared to work within the director of football model. Because he may be perceived to have failed at some other clubs does not mean that he will automatically fail here as we employ a different structure. Big characters are not required at the Hawthorns.

Sorry mate totally disagree, IMO it is exactly what we need after last season. The behind closed doors bickering, undermining the head coach and obvious lack of passion by the players last season requires a leader. Roy was respected not just for the man he is but his past record. Irvine maybe a good coach but when your on a run of 4 loses is he going to have the nowse and balls to put the players and tactics right.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 15, 2014, 03:55:41 PM
Really?  I've seen several players and a coach say he is a top coach just this morning..

Try asking Billy Jones, Richard Chaplow, Craig Beattie, what they thought of him and his sidekick, just to name a few
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on June 15, 2014, 03:56:25 PM
I've looked at his Sheffield Wednesday results before getting sacked, it included one win in eight games in League one and a 5-1 defeat to Exeter and 4-0 defeat to Leyton Orient. The season before in The Championship when he got them relegated he won 1 of the last 10 games. He got sacked from Preston with 1 win in 8 games. So basically when a team goes on a bad run he hasn't got a clue how to stop it. I'm sure he's a good coach and I'm sure he works well with academy players so he would have been a great appointment for the U21 team but as Head Coach it's an abysmal appointment. His style of football is awful too.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: swad35 on June 15, 2014, 03:57:22 PM
Try asking Billy Jones, Richard Chaplow, Craig Beattie, what they thought of him and his sidekick, just to name a few

I wonder if Billy Jones saw the writing on the wall?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Bilston Dan on June 15, 2014, 04:02:45 PM
I must say I'm trying to find a positive spin to put on this whole appointment of Alan Irvine, but I can't find one. I think we'll have to have a look at what signings we make in the upcoming months. It just doesn't make much sense to me really. Why did we get rid of Pepe Mel and get in Alan Irvine...blows my mind, man.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on June 15, 2014, 04:09:41 PM
Just as a matter of interest, what would Alan Irvine have to achieve next season, for the appointment to be considered a success?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 15, 2014, 04:10:30 PM
Try asking Billy Jones, Richard Chaplow, Craig Beattie, what they thought of him and his sidekick, just to name a few

Do you have a link to the quotes of Billy Jones, Richard Chaplow, & Craig Beattie please.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dangerman on June 15, 2014, 04:10:47 PM
Just as a matter of interest, what would Alan Irvine have to achieve next season, for the appointment to be considered a success?

At this point, avoid relegation.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggyman68 on June 15, 2014, 04:11:17 PM
After his "the buck stops with me" speech and his promise to put things right Peace has gone and stuck his fingers up at the lot of us with this appointment!
Perhaps Father Ted Irvine is a good coach who can improve players but does he have the tactical awareness to out-think other coaches? A look at his record says no!
Will he have the presence in the Albion dressing room to command respect from a bunch of players that have already shown that together they are capable of undermining coaches and getting them the sack. We needed someone with a bit of bottle to sort out the cliques we are plagued with!
I would advise anyone with shares to sell them to Peace because they wont be worth the paper they are written on at this rate!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on June 15, 2014, 04:14:30 PM
Strangely not that annoyed about this. I think largely because Sherwood was so clearly a terrible option, virtually any other option was preferable.

I don't think he'll be a complete disaster here anyway. Reminds me of when Bolton got Megson, much to the anger of their fans, and they never accepted him there, though he did alright league table wise.

I'm huessing there's something more to it than just being a cheap option too. The club could easily have got someone like McInnes who'd have been a reasonably popular choice, if that was the sole intention.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: loui999 on June 15, 2014, 04:25:04 PM
If there is any doubt, I am an AlbionFan of 60 years devoted loyalty. Owners, Directors, Players et al, come and go, but AlbionFans are forever whether we like it or not at this time.

Nice try Dingle ! Using the words darkness and light give it away, but hey as i said before its funny 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on June 15, 2014, 04:28:26 PM
Strangely not that annoyed about this. I think largely because Sherwood was so clearly a terrible option, virtually any other option was preferable.

I don't think he'll be a complete disaster here anyway. Reminds me of when Bolton got Megson, much to the anger of their fans, and they never accepted him there, though he did alright league table wise.

I'm huessing there's something more to it than just being a cheap option too. The club could easily have got someone like McInnes who'd have been a reasonably popular choice, if that was the sole intention.

McInnes wouldn't be Downing's Glove puppet thats probably why
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on June 15, 2014, 04:33:18 PM
Alan fecking Irvine. Still can't believe it. The more I think about it the more crazy it is! 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on June 15, 2014, 04:33:59 PM
Almost 24 hours on and I still can't rationalise the appointment or justify it to myself. I keep thinking of reasons why JP would have done it and none of them make sense.

It's just a bloody, bloody mess.

I acknowledge what JP has done in terms of building the club up from when he took over, but I think as a leader he's clearly peaked and needs to GO NOW.

Peace is now the problem AND PREVENTING THIS CLUB FROM MAKING FURTHER PROGRESS.

He thinks too much about how much he wants to spend instead of how much he can afford to spend.

He could have paid more money to get the coach with genuine ability and experience that he promised us he'd get. That would have been a genuine investment.

Instead he's doing things on the cheap and trousering the change.


 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hunsletbaggie on June 15, 2014, 04:38:51 PM
After his "the buck stops with me" speech and his promise to put things right Peace has gone and stuck his fingers up at the lot of us with this appointment!
Perhaps Father Ted Irvine is a good coach who can improve players but does he have the tactical awareness to out-think other coaches? A look at his record says no!
Will he have the presence in the Albion dressing room to command respect from a bunch of players that have already shown that together they are capable of undermining coaches and getting them the sack. We needed someone with a bit of bottle to sort out the cliques we are plagued with!
I would advise anyone with shares to sell them to Peace because they wont be worth the paper they are written on at this rate!
Let's hope Peace keeps his word with the buck stops with me quote and falls on his sword when it all goes t*t's up.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on June 15, 2014, 04:47:02 PM
I wonder if Billy Jones saw the writing on the wall?

I was disgusted and really let down with Thornes recent comments but cant really argue against hes move to put in a transfer request, Playing for Derby will be alot more appealing than us next season i imagine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 15, 2014, 04:49:31 PM
I was disgusted and really let down with Thornes recent comments but cant really argue against hes move to put in a transfer request, Playing for Derby will be alot more appealing than us next season i imagine.

Agree, we have basically shown we have no ambition. I would not moan if any of our players handed in a transfer request now, I would not blame them.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on June 15, 2014, 05:04:21 PM
Just as a matter of interest, what would Alan Irvine have to achieve next season, for the appointment to be considered a success?

Avoid relegation with some decent games to watch. Anything less would be a total f*** up
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on June 15, 2014, 05:06:15 PM


It's just a bloody, bloody mess.

I acknowledge what JP has done in terms of building the club up from when he took over, but I think as a leader he's clearly peaked and needs to GO NOW.

Peace is now the problem AND PREVENTING THIS CLUB FROM MAKING FURTHER PROGRESS.




I think that says it all
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on June 15, 2014, 05:08:35 PM
Who in their right mind will sign for us now?
I cannot see us attracting anyone decent. It'll be like a pub team.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tipton baggie 80 on June 15, 2014, 05:12:59 PM
While initially also perplexed at the decision, the more I think about it the more I think it might work out for us.

Apparently he is by all means an excellent coach.

He has a clear interest in nurturing / bringing through young talent.

He must have convinced the board that he is the right man for the job, given that they would surely be aware that his appointment would be met with this level of cynicism, yet they chose to appoint him anyway. Like others have said, JP nor any of the other board members benefit financially or otherwise from us failing. He must have impressed massively.

He will know that he has been given a massive opportunity here, with his first interview (working all the hours required, paraphrased) indicating that he feels endebted and will bust his b#lls to make it work.

We have a better structure in place now, compared to last year, in so much that Irvine will seek regular counsel not with Garlick but with Burton, a man who should command our respect if only on the basis that he was valued so highly by Roy Hodgson.

And at the very least, with expectation levels so low, all he can do is overachieve.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on June 15, 2014, 05:14:43 PM
He is a cut of the same cloth as Roy Hodgson. He will aim to get us incredibly organised and our patterns of play will be rigid and structured. There is very little room for attacking maneuver or flexibility. A large number of fans from both Preston and Sheffield Wednesday have referred to his football as boring, mind numbing so I would imagine we'll be opting for a defensive approach maybe relying on our counter attacking to get us points. I really cannot see us being adventurous and taking the game to our opponents and I would certainly say we'll see a lot of long balls.

I was talking to some of my Wednesday supporting mates earlier about him and they referred to him as a game of chess - players unsure where to go just incase they leave their rigid structure. He's very studious when it comes to detail but appears to get too bogged down in what the opposition are likely to do and therefore forgets what his own side should be doing.

I'm not expecting samba football, just defensive organsiation, boring football and 16,000 incredibly frustrated supporters who appear to have been sold down a river with this appointment.

This is just the thing that turned my stomach when Irvine was announced. It shows our club is aiming to do it's own version of Pulisball. Negative, super defensive football aimed at grounding out results. I have no problems with organized teams, in fact it is a fundamental part of any team, but this appointment shows that our philosophy will not be "good football" but more of the RH boring football at best, which I am sure Keith Downing took to heart. This is the culture shock that Pepe Mel and the club had. We are gearing up to play rubbish football just to tread water in the Prem. Boring.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on June 15, 2014, 05:21:12 PM
Who in their right mind will sign for us now?
I cannot see us attracting anyone decent. It'll be like a pub team.

At the moment unless we surpass ourselves in the transfer market this summer ( which is almost impossible now on many grounds) I cannot see anything bar relegation. Even if we do have a better kitty than usual I cannot see Irvine attracting the right players or signing the right players. I suspect that if we are in the bottom three in November and playing dross Irvine will be on his way. I just hope Peace  lines some up first this time before he is sacked - undoubtedly there will be some good candidates about by then.

Right now I am at my lowest ebb as an Albion fan since Buckley lost 12 on the bounce including 0-3 at home to the Dingles indeed relegation has come easier as we have gone down with the squad to come back up. Very very depressing.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Moleskine on June 15, 2014, 05:26:40 PM
We won't win in the first ten games and he'll be sacked. Let's hope. Absolutely pathetic appointment.

I've lost interest in this football club over the last 18 months and yesterday was the last straw.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mulliganstired on June 15, 2014, 05:27:40 PM
While initially also perplexed at the decision, the more I think about it the more I think it might work out for us.

Apparently he is by all means an excellent coach.

He has a clear interest in nurturing / bringing through young talent.

He must have convinced the board that he is the right man for the job, given that they would surely be aware that his appointment would be met with this level of cynicism, yet they chose to appoint him anyway. Like others have said, JP nor any of the other board members benefit financially or otherwise from us failing. He must have impressed massively.

He will know that he has been given a massive opportunity here, with his first interview (working all the hours required, paraphrased) indicating that he feels endebted and will bust his b#lls to make it work.

We have a better structure in place now, compared to last year, in so much that Irvine will seek regular counsel not with Garlick but with Burton, a man who should command our respect if only on the basis that he was valued so highly by Roy Hodgson.

And at the very least, with expectation levels so low, all he can do is overachieve.

All of the above is worthy of consideration.  Also, being devil's advocate really, you have to wonder what would have happened if Tim had got his way and then it had turned out to be a disaster. I for one am prepared to give Irvine a chance, but only because 1)I'm old and I remember the REAL hungry years 2)I don't see what choice there is now for next season.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 15, 2014, 05:29:15 PM
While initially also perplexed at the decision, the more I think about it the more I think it might work out for us.

Apparently he is by all means an excellent coach.

He has a clear interest in nurturing / bringing through young talent.

He must have convinced the board that he is the right man for the job, given that they would surely be aware that his appointment would be met with this level of cynicism, yet they chose to appoint him anyway. Like others have said, JP nor any of the other board members benefit financially or otherwise from us failing. He must have impressed massively.

He will know that he has been given a massive opportunity here, with his first interview (working all the hours required, paraphrased) indicating that he feels endebted and will bust his b#lls to make it work.

We have a better structure in place now, compared to last year, in so much that Irvine will seek regular counsel not with Garlick but with Burton, a man who should command our respect if only on the basis that he was valued so highly by Roy Hodgson.

And at the very least, with expectation levels so low, all he can do is overachieve.

This is a very good post, well thought out tb80.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: alex1 on June 15, 2014, 05:29:35 PM
For those who say give him chance, yes,  I will go up to the Hawthorns start of the  new season , just as I would if we'd appointed the chief scout of Alloa Athletic or the head coach of Solihull Moors (women's section).  However....he will have to hit the ground running as I imagine people's patience will run out pretty rapidly if results are poor. Whereas managers with a decent track record and a bright innovative approach might be given more time, I'm afraid Irvine will not have that luxury, as this is so obviously an accident waiting to happen. 

To be honest apart from with us, I can't recall Irvine being linked with any other jobs. I suppose we don't need to ask why Everton didn't consider him for their vacancy when Moyes left. And Moyes didn't apparently even try to take him as an ASSISTANT to Old Trafford. What does that tell you?

I understand our budgetary situation is not the same as for most Premier clubs, but I still can't get my head around the fact that we couldn't attract a coach with a more impressive track record. The premier league is watched from around the World and there are 20 head coach/managers jobs, of which only a proportion will be free at any time. In other words,  the supply of quality potential coaches must far exceed the number of vacancies. Did we even try for Ronald Koeman, who wants to manage in the Premier league and who has led some big clubs?

I will be watching Irvine's progress with hyper-critical eyes, along with 20-25,000 other Albion fans. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on June 15, 2014, 05:39:11 PM
i am totally mystified by the expression best available...............if this bloke is the best available then there must be some pretty  poor coaches in bloody good jobs!! >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on June 15, 2014, 05:39:52 PM
Alex McLeish tenure at Villa was always going to end in failure, the appointment of Irvine has the same feel about it.

If it is simply about the coaching badge Aidy Boothroyd would have been a better appointment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBARoberts on June 15, 2014, 05:50:19 PM
Absolutely horrified by the appointment - been sitting reading through each page of this thread.

People are going to try and put any sort of positive on this, but there are non. Absolutely nothing. The facts are that this was a cheap appointment in a situation where our chairman yet again is unwilling to back down after only a few weeks back apparently seeing the light.

There are no positives to take from this and I can only hope that the fans spit venom at the first opportunity - I can't even imagine the response he's going to get when introduced at our first home game. Irvine will be gone within 5 games, I'm absolutely sure of it.

This is a sickening appointment and signals the end of my close association of Albion, I will no longer be travelling across the country, paying good money to go and watch a club run by a cheap, stubborn chairman.

Alan Irvine - I hope it goes absolutely tits up for you, not because I particular dislike you, but because this club needs a serious shock (apparently last year wasn't enough). You are going to feel the wrath of thousands of angry fans, I don't think there has ever been more pressure on a manager before their first game. You will crumble, we will crumble and hopefully Peace will crumble.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 15, 2014, 06:05:04 PM
Absolutely horrified by the appointment - been sitting reading through each page of this thread.

People are going to try and put any sort of positive on this, but there are non. Absolutely nothing. The facts are that this was a cheap appointment in a situation where our chairman yet again is unwilling to back down after only a few weeks back apparently seeing the light.

There are no positives to take from this and I can only hope that the fans spit venom at the first opportunity - I can't even imagine the response he's going to get when introduced at our first home game. Irvine will be gone within 5 games, I'm absolutely sure of it.

This is a sickening appointment and signals the end of my close association of Albion, I will no longer be travelling across the country, paying good money to go and watch a club run by a cheap, stubborn chairman.

Alan Irvine - I hope it goes absolutely tits up for you, not because I particular dislike you, but because this club needs a serious shock (apparently last year wasn't enough). You are going to feel the wrath of thousands of angry fans, I don't think there has ever been more pressure on a manager before their first game. You will crumble, we will crumble and hopefully Peace will crumble.

So, as an Albion fan you want the club to fail so that you can tell us 'I told you so'........... hmmm alternative view I guess.

As for there being no positives, well I'm sure I've read a few posted on here today but then again, yourself & many others seem to have made up your minds before the guy has pulled on a tracksuit.
 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBARoberts on June 15, 2014, 06:07:25 PM
So, as an Albion fan you want the club to fail so that you can tell us 'I told you so'........... hmmm alternative view I guess.

As for there being no positives, well I'm sure I've read a few posted on here today but then again, yourself & many others seem to have made up your minds before the guy has pulled on a tracksuit.

It's not a case of truly wanting us to fail, it's more a realisation that is the direction we are heading.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foster#1 on June 15, 2014, 06:09:07 PM
Dear Mr Irvine.


According to local media you have not yet finalised your release from your current job at Everton.  If have taken the time to check the local press and social media, you will see that you are not wanted by the overwhelming majority of WBA fans, myself included.

I have read that you are delighted at being offered the job. I am sure your are. But we are not.  Withdraw your application and stay away from our club.

Peace may want you but we do not.

academy@evertonfc.com    Just sent

Good god. Driving him out before he even starts, nice one.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on June 15, 2014, 06:10:20 PM
Dear Mr Irvine.


According to local media you have not yet finalised your release from your current job at Everton.  If have taken the time to check the local press and social media, you will see that you are not wanted by the overwhelming majority of WBA fans, myself included.

I have read that you are delighted at being offered the job. I am sure your are. But we are not.  Withdraw your application and stay away from our club.

Peace may want you but we do not.

academy@evertonfc.com    Just sent
from just down the N332 i doff my cap sir :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johnthebaggie on June 15, 2014, 06:15:13 PM
You know what, Irvine is doomed to failure.....why?

Not because he is a bad coach....unlike most on here I'm prepared to give him a chance

He'll fail because of all the doom merchants on here who are not prepared to even let the season start before turning against the club.

This is no way to support the team, whether you agree with Peace or not...we support West Bromwich Albion.

We may not agree with the decision but unless anybody fancies buying Peace out and making the decisions, this is what we have.

It may not work out but the least we can do is support the team and do our bit to make it work.

Peace is not going anywhere so anybody who is not prepared to support the team may as well stay at home....we don't need the negativity.

We are supporters......thick or thin.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 15, 2014, 06:18:20 PM
It's not a case of truly wanting us to fail, it's more a realisation that is the direction we are heading.

Sorry mate but you cannot unequivocally state what direction the club is going before Irvine has been in the job 5 minutes.
 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on June 15, 2014, 06:24:08 PM
You know what, Irvine is doomed to failure.....why?

Not because he is a bad coach....unlike most on here I'm prepared to give him a chance

He'll fail because of all the doom merchants on here who are not prepared to even let the season start before turning against the club.

This is no way to support the team, whether you agree with Peace or not...we support West Bromwich Albion.

We may not agree with the decision but unless anybody fancies buying Peace out and making the decisions, this is what we have.

It may not work out but the least we can do is support the team and do our bit to make it work.

Peace is not going anywhere so anybody who is not prepared to support the team may as well stay at home....we don't need the negativity.

We are supporters......thick or thin.

We have just finished what can only be described as an awful season.

Supporters simply wanted the season to come to an end so we could look forward.

The club had an opportunity to give us renewed hope.

They have failed miserably.

Having saved money by appointing a second class coach, will Peace restore our faith by giving us 4 or 5 top quality signings. I know what I think the answer will be.

Whilst I remain a fan, I have lost all hope.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johnthebaggie on June 15, 2014, 06:30:04 PM
We have just finished what can only be described as an awful season.

Supporters simply wanted the season to come to an end so we could look forward.

The club had an opportunity to give us renewed hope.

They have failed miserably.

Having saved money by appointing a second class coach, will Peace restore our faith by giving us 4 or 5 top quality signings. I know what I think the answer will be.

Whilst I remain a fan, I have lost all hope.
I do actually agree with many posts, it is a very underwhelming appointment.

But the venom shown by some fans is getting ridiculous.

All I'm saying is give it a chance and show some support.

The last thing we want is the fans turning against the team in the first game if it is not going well.


Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 15, 2014, 06:30:37 PM
Do you have a link to the quotes of Billy Jones, Richard Chaplow, & Craig Beattie please.
As several people keep repeating it, I'm looking forward to someone posting all the quotes that say what a great coach Irvine is. After all, Preston and Sheff Wed did so well under him.....

Someone else posted that he's a great no. 2. There's an interesting alternative connotation to that that I'll leave people to think about for themselves, and perhaps the original poster was sarcastically implying this, but Irvine hasn't been a successful assistant manager anywhere that I can see from his record, so perhaps someone can put me straight on that?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 15, 2014, 06:31:13 PM
Dear Mr Irvine.


According to local media you have not yet finalised your release from your current job at Everton.  If have taken the time to check the local press and social media, you will see that you are not wanted by the overwhelming majority of WBA fans, myself included.

I have read that you are delighted at being offered the job. I am sure your are. But we are not.  Withdraw your application and stay away from our club.

Peace may want you but we do not.

academy@evertonfc.com    Just sent
Just to balance it out  ;)

Dear Mr Irvine

Please note that whilst speaking for the overwhelming majority of Albion fans on this forum, alicantebaggie does not speak for myself & a few others.

You have taken on a job that would be difficult if you had the backing of every WBA fan on the planet following last seasons shenanigans, I feel this appointment will test you mentally as well as physically & you may come to regret it, however, I for one hope you prove a lot of people wrong & do a fine job at the Albion.

Welcome aboard & the very best of luck (you're going to need it my friend)
 
academy@evertonfc.com
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: east-stand-nick on June 15, 2014, 06:33:29 PM
I think it's wrong to personally target Irvine. If you were in his shoes you'd take the job in a heartbeat. The board need to be criticised, not Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 15, 2014, 06:33:45 PM
But the venom shown by some fans is getting ridiculous.

All I'm saying is give it a chance and show some support.
Fans need and deserve to be respected by the club they support. If that doesn't happen, things unravel. Therefore, given the contempt with which Albion fans have been treated for some time in a number of respects, "show some support" doesn't really cut it anymore as far as the present regime is concerned. They have taken the club away from the fans, so can have no complaints at all for the fans going away from them.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 15, 2014, 06:34:00 PM
I guess 99% of people like me unhappy with this choice will in the ground back the players, back Irvine during and before a game so if folk want to vent their spleen then they are welcome to do so on this forum, thats the point of this forum so people can say what they feel so can we cut the stuff trying to make out some are not proper fans by not agreeing with this decision.

Some are happy with it, some not happy with it but happy to see how it goes and some not happy, none of them make you a better fan, supporter or whatever and none of it makes anyone a dingle, a villa fan, fickle or the rest of the pointless comments we're getting on here.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albion79 on June 15, 2014, 06:34:49 PM
I agree with a lot of what you said Johnthebaggie!

How we laughed at Villa when they protested and cried about getting Mcleish, the bloke never had a chance and they are no better off now then when he left, yet here we are now doing the same thing.

There was probably only 1 or 2 appointments who would of pleased everybody if this forum is anything to by - Moyes, Jol, Sherwood, Hughton, Mackay, Mcinnes, etc to name a few 50% of our fans would of accepted, the other 50% would of moaned.

Nobody wanted Alan Irvine but the fact is he is here now so why not give him a chance, people may well be proved right and he may be a disaster, but the same was said when we appointed Gary Megson and he didnt do too bad did he? Also playng wise - Billy Jones and Gareth McAuley were written off a few years ago for having the nerve to be bettering themselves and joining Albion despite not playing in the Prem, people are given chances, its how they take them but at least give them the fair opportunity.

I think Irvine does have to hit the ground running, but if we have 12 points after 6 games nobody will be saying a word, if come xmas we are in the s**t then all our worst fears are confirmed but whether we want him, like him or whatever he is here, so hopefully by the time the season comes we can give him a chance.

As somebody said above, i remember the dark old days and when you think back to those days, these arent so bad after all, 5 years in the premiership on the bounce, nice ground, a good academy (few bits need ironing out), not in debt, and the chance between now and the start of the season to build a new team, can think of worst positions to be in.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 15, 2014, 06:35:42 PM
Dear Mr Irvine

Please note that whilst speaking for the majority of Albion fans on this forum, alicantebaggie does not speak for myself & a few others.
Wouldn't it have been more accurate to say ".....speaking for the overwhelming majority of Albion fans....."?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on June 15, 2014, 06:36:20 PM
Try asking Billy Jones, Richard Chaplow, Craig Beattie, what they thought of him and his sidekick, just to name a few

I haven't had the opportunity to chat to any of those yet?  On record what have they said about him?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albion79 on June 15, 2014, 06:39:03 PM
Only quotes from players / staff so far i have seen has been Terry McDermott who said he was a great coahc and Sean St Ledger who said he is the best coach he has worked with.

Havent seen any yet from players / staff against him so has anybody got any of these quotes out of curiosity?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 15, 2014, 06:39:24 PM
As several people keep repeating it, I'm looking forward to someone posting all the quotes that say what a great coach Irvine is. After all, Preston and Sheff Wed did so well under him.....

Someone else posted that he's a great no. 2. There's an interesting alternative connotation to that that I'll leave people to think about for themselves, and perhaps the original poster was sarcastically implying this, but Irvine hasn't been a successful assistant manager anywhere that I can see from his record, so perhaps someone can put me straight on that?

This doesn't really answer my question in the post you highlighted.

A post inferred that Billy Jones, Richard Chaplow, & Craig Beattie had negative opinions regarding AI & I asked for a link, as yet not forthcoming.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Signor_Maresca on June 15, 2014, 06:39:31 PM
Dear Mr Irvine.


According to local media you have not yet finalised your release from your current job at Everton.  If have taken the time to check the local press and social media, you will see that you are not wanted by the overwhelming majority of WBA fans, myself included.

I have read that you are delighted at being offered the job. I am sure your are. But we are not.  Withdraw your application and stay away from our club.

Peace may want you but we do not.

academy@evertonfc.com    Just sent

Oh dear, that really is pathetic.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on June 15, 2014, 06:39:43 PM
I do actually agree with many posts, it is a very underwhelming appointment.

But the venom shown by some fans is getting ridiculous.

All I'm saying is give it a chance and show some support.

The last thing we want is the fans turning against the team in the first game if it is not going well.

Come the start of the season fans will show support, however the problem remains that Irvine is a very poor choice, as such it is clear he will become a scapegoat the minute things start to go wrong.

Whilst I do not want Irvine as head coach I do feel sorry for him as he is on a hiding to nothing.

This all stems back to the contempt of a chairman, who remains untouchable.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 15, 2014, 06:44:50 PM
Wouldn't it have been more accurate to say ".....speaking for the overwhelming majority of Albion fans....."?

Modified in the name of supporter accuracy  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on June 15, 2014, 07:01:56 PM
Only quotes from players / staff so far i have seen has been Terry McDermott who said he was a great coahc and Sean St Ledger who said he is the best coach he has worked with.

Havent seen any yet from players / staff against him so has anybody got any of these quotes out of curiosity?

Darren Carter also said he was a great coach. FFS, hope I'm not on the wrong side of the dock with some of you on jury service.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johnthebaggie on June 15, 2014, 07:07:53 PM
Fans need and deserve to be respected by the club they support. If that doesn't happen, things unravel. Therefore, given the contempt with which Albion fans have been treated for some time in a number of respects, "show some support" doesn't really cut it anymore as far as the present regime is concerned. They have taken the club away from the fans, so can have no complaints at all for the fans going away from them.
I realise many fans are getting disillusioned but Irvine doesn't deserve some of the stuff being thrown at him.

Everyone deserves a chance to do the job given to them.

At the moment he's a dead man walking regardless of whether he's any good or not.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on June 15, 2014, 07:11:58 PM
I realise many fans are getting disillusioned but Irvine doesn't deserve some of the stuff being thrown at him.

Everyone deserves a chance to do the job given to them.

At the moment he's a dead man walking regardless of whether he's any good or not.

Whilst I agree, surely the board should have considered the backlash in naming Irvine head coach.

Had they of spoken with me Saturday morning I could have predicted the fans response, are they so far removed that they thought fans would welcome Irvine with open arms.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on June 15, 2014, 07:14:43 PM
I guess 99% of people like me unhappy with this choice will in the ground back the players, back Irvine during and before a game so if folk want to vent their spleen then they are welcome to do so on this forum, thats the point of this forum so people can say what they feel so can we cut the stuff trying to make out some are not proper fans by not agreeing with this decision.

Some are happy with it, some not happy with it but happy to see how it goes and some not happy, none of them make you a better fan, supporter or whatever and none of it makes anyone a dingle, a villa fan, fickle or the rest of the pointless comments we're getting on here.

I'm sorry but hanging a bed sheet on the Astle gates is a very Villa/Wolves like action.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 15, 2014, 07:17:54 PM
I'm sorry but hanging a bed sheet on the Astle gates is a very Villa/Wolves like action.

What does that have to do with any of the posts on here ?

To question someones support because they disagree with a decision is just as bad at the other end of the scale.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on June 15, 2014, 07:20:49 PM
I'm sorry but hanging a bed sheet on the Astle gates is a very Villa/Wolves like action.

What utter rubbish!

Whilst I hate Villa and Wolves their fans are no different to any other club and contain a diverse mix of characters.

As fans they are passionate about their club.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johnthebaggie on June 15, 2014, 07:23:51 PM
Whilst I agree, surely the board should have considered the backlash in naming Irvine head coach.

Had they of spoken with me Saturday morning I could have predicted the fans response, are they so far removed that they thought fans would welcome Irvine with open arms.
I don't think there was any manager they could have picked who would have been welcomed with open arms.......lol

I do think that Peace ought to send voting slips out to everyone for the next manager then pick the one the majority choose.

Even then people would still moan if it wasn't their choice.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on June 15, 2014, 07:24:41 PM
Do you know what, if I'm Alan Irvine with all this vitreol thrown at me, I think I might change my mind. What then, another 4 weeks before we appoint a head coach?
None of the others in the frame were that inspiring either.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 15, 2014, 07:27:56 PM
Do you know what, if I'm Alan Irvine with all this vitreol thrown at me, I think I might change my mind. What then, another 4 weeks before we appoint a head coach?
None of the others in the frame were that inspiring either.

Thats one of the worrying things. We're a club now established in this division but struggling to attract the level of coaches that position should be so theres a problem somewhere that needs addressing. In 12-18 months we will be back in the same position and will replace Irvine with another in the same vein as him, Clarke, RDM etc
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on June 15, 2014, 07:31:12 PM
I do think that Peace ought to send voting slips out to everyone for the next manager then pick the one the majority choose.

That appears to be what everyone thought Peace's statement of 23rd May meant.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on June 15, 2014, 07:31:42 PM
What utter rubbish!

Whilst I hate Villa and Wolves their fans are no different to any other club and contain a diverse mix of characters.

As fans they are passionate about their club.

When was the last time we had a banner put up like that?

When was the last time Wolves or Villa had one? Oh last season, the season before that and the season before that one....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 15, 2014, 07:31:57 PM
Can we have another new head coach please before we reach 100 pages on this topic.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 15, 2014, 07:34:19 PM
Thats one of the worrying things. We're a club now established in this division but struggling to attract the level of coaches that position should be so theres a problem somewhere that needs addressing. In 12-18 months we will be back in the same position and will replace Irvine with another in the same vein as him, Clarke, RDM etc

The problem that needs addressing is the same problem every time, Downing and Kiely we will not get another decent head coach whilst they are forced to work with those two.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on June 15, 2014, 07:37:00 PM
I don't think there was any manager they could have picked who would have been welcomed with open arms.......lol

I do think that Peace ought to send voting slips out to everyone for the next manager then pick the one the majority choose.

Even then people would still moan if it wasn't their choice.

Oh come on!

No one is asking for a vote, and you will certainly never please everyone.

However, after last season what we needed was renewed hope.

The appointment of Irvine has removed any hope I had for next season, the only way it will return is if Peace provides the 5 or 6 quality players we need.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tylerm on June 15, 2014, 07:37:56 PM
Someone ain't happy

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=00JhUADQCCY

Brilliant
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on June 15, 2014, 07:43:46 PM
What does that have to do with any of the posts on here ?

To question someones support because they disagree with a decision is just as bad at the other end of the scale.

People are talking on here about taking their bed sheets to games? Same idea as hanging one up on the gates really.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with disagreeing with a decision, the way someone reacts to a decision though can certainly be questioned.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on June 15, 2014, 07:44:28 PM
Thats one of the worrying things. We're a club now established in this division but struggling to attract the level of coaches that position should be so theres a problem somewhere that needs addressing. In 12-18 months we will be back in the same position and will replace Irvine with another in the same vein as him, Clarke, RDM etc


As far as I know, we're the only club in the EPL who truly follow the "Head Coach" philosophy. Strategy, at WBA, is determined at board level & coaches are required to develop the tactics to execute the strategy. At all of the other clubs, the "Head Coach" or Manager is heavily involved in developing the strategy.
It's impossible to know for certain, but as far as I can see, the strategic approach for WBA, is to retain our EPL status & have a serious attempt to compete in domestic cup competitions. JP has made it known on a number of occasions that he has no wish for us to compete in the Europa League as the return on investment is too small, & facing an early exit may even cost.
With JP at the helm, we are what we are & unless or until he moves on that's the way it is.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 15, 2014, 07:44:36 PM
This doesn't really answer my question in the post you highlighted.

A post inferred that Billy Jones, Richard Chaplow, & Craig Beattie had negative opinions regarding AI & I asked for a link, as yet not forthcoming.
I was asking for you to back up your claim that "Irvine is a highly respected coach within the game". It'll take more than a couple of quotes to convince me of that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 15, 2014, 07:48:01 PM
People are talking on here about taking their bed sheets to games? Same idea as hanging one up on the gates really.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with disagreeing with a decision, the way someone reacts to a decision though can certainly be questioned.

I take it back about the sheets as there are some now on here.

To question support is out of order and gives out a superior tone.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on June 15, 2014, 07:51:41 PM
The problem that needs addressing is the same problem every time, Downing and Kiely we will not get another decent head coach whilst they are forced to work with those two.

It's less a question of those two and more a question of money.

JP is doing it on the cheap. Again.  We speculated and speculated on these boards over the last few weeks putting forward the names and debating the relative merits of them.

Okay, there was disagreement, but what virtually all of them had in common was that they were realistic choices based on the fact that they either had a reasonable track record and/or experience, or they showed the potential to be up to the job.

And all because he won't spend the money and properly invest in a bloke who has the brains, skill and nous to stabilise this first team, we get this appointment, something none of us saw coming.

I really want Alan Irvine to do well. I don't wish the man ill. And I sure as hell hope he doesn't fall ill trying to perform what's going to be a herculean task.

But for the love of Jesus Christ, his virgin mother, his holy father and all the disciples including Judas, WHY HAS THIS GUY GOT THE GIG?

BECAUSE HE'S A CHEAPER OPTION.

END OF.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 15, 2014, 07:52:20 PM
I don't think there was any manager they could have picked who would have been welcomed with open arms.......lol
We had one already at the club who 80+% of those who voted here wanted to be allowed to continue this season. That's about as united as it can realistically get for us I would imagine. The percentage might have been even higher still if voters had known at the time that the alternative would be Irvine!

Instead of imaginative, attacking football, delivered by a charismatic head coach, we're going to get a dour defensive approach instead, from a characterless individual who will probably be asking us where our coaching badges are before very long.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: johnthebaggie on June 15, 2014, 07:58:42 PM
Oh come on!

No one is asking for a vote, and you will certainly never please everyone.

However, after last season what we needed was renewed hope.

The appointment of Irvine has removed any hope I had for next season, the only way it will return is if Peace provides the 5 or 6 quality players we need.
It was tongue in cheek.....lol.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BoingFlyer on June 15, 2014, 08:05:11 PM
We had one already at the club who 80+% of those who voted here wanted to be allowed to continue this season. That's about as united as it can realistically get for us I would imagine. The percentage might have been even higher still if voters had known at the time that the alternative would be Irvine!

Instead of imaginative, attacking football, delivered by a charismatic head coach, we're going to get a dour defensive approach instead, from a characterless individual who will probably be asking us where our coaching badges are before very long.

Imaginative attacking football that was an absolute disaster and nearly got us relegated, no thanks we may as well of kept with Mowbray. Mel had an ideal that was attractive to watch until the opposition won possession and scored. He was defensively naive at best.

Protesting before the guy has been given a chance is ridiculous, give him 10 games and lets see how the players respond during close season and in the start.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on June 15, 2014, 08:07:10 PM
Can we have another new head coach please before we reach 100 pages on this topic.
i would like a new one before we get to 27 pages!!!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on June 15, 2014, 08:08:19 PM
We had one already at the club who 80+% of those who voted here wanted to be allowed to continue this season. That's about as united as it can realistically get for us I would imagine. The percentage might have been even higher still if voters had known at the time that the alternative would be Irvine!

Instead of imaginative, attacking football, delivered by a charismatic head coach, we're going to get a dour defensive approach instead, from a characterless individual who will probably be asking us where our coaching badges are before very long.

Absolutely spot on - where there was hope, now there is none.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Critical Baggie on June 15, 2014, 08:19:12 PM
It's been a good year I think since my last post on here after emigrating out the country and having to observe everything from the outside through media and now really lacking being part of Albion as much as I was for the past 10 seasons I had following the club home and away, but the news on Alan Irvine's appointment has really made me so livid I feel I have to take it out on here.

How on earth can a manager of Irvine's track record at Sheffield Wednesday and PNE ever merit him landing a Premier League managerial position? It's outstanding. I wouldn't be surprised if most Championship football fans were disappointed in this as an appointment for them. It stinks of 'lack of ambition' and again show's Peace to be the penny pinching accountant he truly is. How is this guy ever going to take us forward, how is he the person to rebuild a premier league team from scratch an, get them organised and  get them winning again?

Yet another 'Yes' man to shove in front of the camera's and downgrade our club as something not worth of the Premier League; 'a team punching above their weight'; well Peace will sure have his wish and will be reaping the consequences of losing those riches come next May.

And for the disappointment of those 16,000 naive fans that trusted Peace to turn things around, give us some optimism, give us some hope and a appointment to rally the players and fans alike then appoint nothing more than a puppet coach; shame on you sir, shame on you!

No, it was never Moyes fellow Baggies, we were only ever good enough for his assistant. We wouldn't of minded the Premier League Blackburn winning captain, instead we get the Insurance Broker from Queens Park. SOS.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 15, 2014, 08:29:43 PM
It's been a good year I think since my last post on here after emigrating out the country and having to observe everything from the outside through media and now really lacking being part of Albion as much as I weas for the 10 seasons I had following the club home and away, but the news on Alan Irvine's appointment has really made me so livid I feel I have to take it out on here.

How on earth can a manager of Irvine's track record at Sheffield Wednesday and PNE ever merit him landing a Premier League managerial position. It's outstanding. I wouldn't be surprised if most Championship football fans were disappointed in this as an appointment for them. It stinks of 'lack of ambition' and again show's Peace to be the penny pinching accountant he truly is. How is this guy ever going to take us forward, how is this the person to rebuild a premier league team from scratch and get them organised and winning again?

Yet another 'Yes' man to shove in front of the camera's and downgrade our club as something not worth of the Premier League; 'a team punching above their weight'; well Peace will sure have their wish and will be reaping the consequences of losing those riches come next May. And for the disappointment of those 16,000 naive fans that trusted Peace to turn things around, give us some optimism, give us some hope and a appointment to rally the players and fans alike to appointment nothing more than a puppet coach; shame on you sir, shame on you!

No, it was never Moyes fellow Baggies, we were only ever good enough for his assistant. We wouldn't of minded the Premier League Blackburn winning captain, instead we get the Insurance Broker from Queens Park.

Fantastic post mate. You've clearly saved that up!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBARoberts on June 15, 2014, 08:35:30 PM
Sorry mate but you cannot unequivocally state what direction the club is going before Irvine has been in the job 5 minutes.
 

Who said I'm basing my judgement on a managerial appointment? You've made that assumption.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 15, 2014, 08:41:06 PM
i would like a new one before we get to 27 pages!!!!!

I would like one before we get to the end of page 25.... :-[
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 15, 2014, 08:43:21 PM
We had one already at the club who 80+% of those who voted here wanted to be allowed to continue this season. That's about as united as it can realistically get for us I would imagine. The percentage might have been even higher still if voters had known at the time that the alternative would be Irvine!

Instead of imaginative, attacking football, delivered by a charismatic head coach, we're going to get a dour defensive approach instead, from a characterless individual who will probably be asking us where our coaching badges are before very long.

Absolutely cock on Worcs !!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: FallOutBoy on June 15, 2014, 09:02:29 PM
One of the things that's pissing me off most is some of our own supporters 'Who do we think we are / who did we think we were going to get?' attitude.

We are about to enter our 5th successive season of Premier League football. Our squad contains men who have played / play international football for England, Argentina, and more. We supplied the current England manager.

Who did I think we were going to get? Somebody who hadn't completely messed up in League 1!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on June 15, 2014, 09:06:13 PM
Someone ain't happy

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=00JhUADQCCY

Brilliant
That is amazing. Cheered me up immensely  :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Greenock Baggie on June 15, 2014, 09:10:33 PM
Lets just get this straight for the non-believers

ANY PROTEST MUST BE AGAINST PEACE, NOT IRVINE.

The bloke ( Irvine ) is completely blameless in all of this as at the end of the day, alls he's done is to accept a job offer, FFS, who wouldn't from his position.

HOWEVER,

That useless piece of s*** who offered him the job is the one and only who will be protested against and deserves EVERYTHING that comes his was. The penny pinching, unscrupulous, manipulative, soul destroying b*****d that he is !!

I absolutely detest the bloke for what he has done here. This club has more money than it has EVER had and all we can afford is the youth coach from Everton............unbelievable !!

PROTEST THIS SATURDAY MORNING AT THE CLUB FOR THOSE WITH THE GUMPTION !!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBARoberts on June 15, 2014, 09:16:27 PM
Lets just get this straight for the non-believers

ANY PROTEST MUST BE AGAINST PEACE, NOT IRVINE.

The bloke ( Irvine ) is completely blameless in all of this as at the end of the day, alls he's done is to accept a job offer, FFS, who wouldn't from his position.

HOWEVER,

That useless piece of s*** who offered him the job is the one and only who will be protested against and deserves EVERYTHING that comes his was. The penny pinching, unscrupulous, manipulative, soul destroying b*****d that he is !!

I absolutely detest the bloke for what he has done here. This club has more money than it has EVER had and all we can afford is the youth coach from Everton............unbelievable !!

PROTEST THIS SATURDAY MORNING AT THE CLUB FOR THOSE WITH THE GUMPTION !!!

A call to arms!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 15, 2014, 09:16:45 PM
For me if Irvine has any sense he should resign now.He should not have excepted such a position going on his past failings.He knows he is out of his depth.Loose the first 2 games in a negative style that hes likely going to bring with him, its going to be a pressure cooker for him.Stand down now Irvine.
See you Saturday morning folks
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pau1200 on June 15, 2014, 09:18:37 PM
Ive had to join the forum to vent my anger, Irvine is a poor choice like we all know.
About 20% of the fans will think its an ok appointment, id rather have had mad mick mcarthy has at least you could argue he has experience. Irvine has never been successful as a manger thats why he went back to the youth, you cant argue facts. Hes been appointed because he wont have his own views and will happy coach what he his given, and when he fails he will go back to youth management.

I wish him all the best but the hawthorns will be a hostile place next season towards peace and when the results go against us irvine will feel it too.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: FallOutBoy on June 15, 2014, 09:24:06 PM
One of the things I really don't understand is... we rejected the guy when we appointed Di Matteo. If he is good enough for us now, why wasn't he then?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on June 15, 2014, 09:25:54 PM
One of the things I really don't understand is... we rejected the guy when we appointed Di Matteo. If he is good enough for us now, why wasn't he then?
I believe it was the other way around.. He rejected us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on June 15, 2014, 09:31:09 PM
in my time of attending Albion games we have had just under 30 managers(excluding caretakers), Hagan was the first and this is the most inexplicable appointment of the lot,it is also quite probably in the worst 3 or 4 ability wise. Just over 24 hours later and why Irvine is still as mystifying now as it was at the time >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: weareblueweare white on June 15, 2014, 09:48:07 PM
in my time of attending Albion games we have had just under 30 managers(excluding caretakers), Hagan was the first and this is the most inexplicable appointment of the lot,it is also quite probably in the worst 3 or 4 ability wise. Just over 24 hours later and why Irvine is still as mystifying now as it was at the time >:(
I've asked myself time and again to try and see some logic in this, but can't come up with anything.
Even thinking back to what turned out to be bad appointments like Saunders- had success at Villa, Gould-good spells at Wimbledon and Coventry, Buckley- did well at Grimsby, Little- Won Villa's first silverware for 15 years, Smith- again did well at Oxford but Irvine, all he's achieved is failure.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: blue on June 15, 2014, 09:54:36 PM
If irvine had been appointed Exeter city manager yesterday,  I would of thought he is lucky to get that job with his track record.
WTF is he doing turning up at Albion, Premier League. I cant get my head around it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: FallOutBoy on June 15, 2014, 09:59:51 PM
I believe it was the other way around.. He rejected us.

That's his story. But I still think if we had wanted him enough then, we'd have got him.

And if we didn't, why would we now?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbarenno on June 15, 2014, 10:00:56 PM
Does anybody know if burton and irvine have a history of being friends?  Which has helped irvines application

Im really struggling to find the reasons for this
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on June 15, 2014, 10:06:04 PM
Wouldn't it have been more accurate to say ".....speaking for the overwhelming majority of Albion fans....."?
No. This forum has 2000 odd members which is nowhere near a representation of the majority of Albion fans.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: HampshireBaggie on June 15, 2014, 10:06:20 PM
Southampton are about to appoint Ronald Koeman, this makes me very sad.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: weareblueweare white on June 15, 2014, 10:07:37 PM
Does anybody know if burton and irvine have a history of being friends?  Which has helped irvines application

Im really struggling to find the reasons for this
It's starting to get a "jobs for the old boys" smell about it
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie53 on June 15, 2014, 10:07:56 PM
No. This forum has 2000 odd members which is nowhere near a representation of the majority of Albion fans.
True but when you take into account the comments on Twitter and Facebook it starts to add up
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AllBlackBaggie on June 15, 2014, 10:08:10 PM
I reckon the guy needs a chance - pointless bagging the bugger.  Let his actions speak for him - if he is useless, there is no doubt he will be dumped like many before him.  JP is running a business, this is what modern day football is about.  Another symptom of modern football is that the England team have very few players in the EPL - money rules, get used to it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on June 15, 2014, 10:09:31 PM
Irvine has been out of management for 3 years.....why is that ? It must either be that he decided management wasn't for him and went back to academy coaching jobs OR he couldn't find a job. Out of the blue he now takes over a premier league club, this has to be one of the most illogical appointments in premier league history.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on June 15, 2014, 10:16:17 PM
Irvine has been out of management for 3 years.....why is that ? It must either be that he decided management wasn't for him and went back to academy coaching jobs OR he couldn't find a job. Out of the blue he now takes over a premier league club, this has to be one of the most illogical appointments in premier league history.
He is still out of management in your sense of the word. He is appointed as head coach and part of a team of management. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggie Boy on June 15, 2014, 10:21:06 PM
He is still out of management in your sense of the word. He is appointed as head coach and part of a team of management.

You state a 'team of management' but the Head Coach is still the most influential member of the team, henceforth Adder's point remains valid.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on June 15, 2014, 10:34:40 PM
You state a 'team of management' but the Head Coach is still the most influential member of the team, henceforth Adder's point remains valid.
In old skool football maybe but Irvine seems to accept he is here to coach and is working as part of a team and this is probably why the likes of Sherwood get ruled out. But we have to do things in the English way...and maybe that is why we are not successful as a nation in football?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on June 15, 2014, 10:44:08 PM
In old skool football maybe but Irvine seems to accept he is here to coach and is working as part of a team and this is probably why the likes of Sherwood get ruled out. But we have to do things in the English way...and maybe that is why we are not successful as a nation in football?

If as a club we choose to not go down the typical English way, why don't we pay a top European coach who is willing to work within the clubs philosophy, rather than appoint one who is better suited to an academy set up.

Alternatively go for someone like Steve McClaren.

The reason as always is down to cost.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on June 15, 2014, 10:44:36 PM
In old skool football maybe but Irvine seems to accept he is here to coach and is working as part of a team and this is probably why the likes of Sherwood get ruled out. But we have to do things in the English way...and maybe that is why we are not successful as a nation in football?
But in any coaching setup there is ultimately one man with the final say on things and who has the major control of team setup.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on June 15, 2014, 10:58:50 PM
But in any coaching setup there is ultimately one man with the final say on things and who has the major control of team setup.
One man will ultimately be the fall guy or gain the plaudits but that doesn't necessarily mean he has to provide all the answers. Last year our recruitment was pants and it appears to have been too heavily influenced by Clarke,  he paid the penalty. McDonough became too heavily influenced in the coaching and it was pants, he paid the penalty. A number of players failed to perform and have paidvthe penalty. Peace took too much of a back seat and is paying a penalty with the backlash and criticism. (Its his club, he goes when he wants). Irvine,  for me, is being brought in to do the role that we wanted him first time around for which is to concentrate on the coaching and work with the remainder of the professionals that are appointed within the Club .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 15, 2014, 11:01:31 PM
No, it was never Moyes fellow Baggies, we were only ever good enough for his assistant.
He wasn't Moyes' assistant at Everton.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bagstaff on June 15, 2014, 11:02:53 PM
One man will ultimately be the fall guy or gain the plaudits but that doesn't necessarily mean he has to provide all the answers. Last year our recruitment was pants and it appears to have been too heavily influenced by Clarke,  he paid the penalty. McDonough became too heavily influenced in the coaching and it was pants, he paid the penalty. A number of players failed to perform and have paidvthe penalty. Peace took too much of a back seat and is paying a penalty with the backlash and criticism. (Its his club, he goes when he wants). Irvine,  for me, is being brought in to do the role that we wanted him first time around for which is to concentrate on the coaching and work with the remainder of the professionals that are appointed within the Club .

And several other key players and coaches were and will continue to be pants, haven't paid the penalty and will continue to be paid by mugs like us
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 15, 2014, 11:03:40 PM
No. This forum has 2000 odd members which is nowhere near a representation of the majority of Albion fans.
If you read the full wording of what I responded to, he was only making reference to the forum. Having said that, you reckon Albion fans in general are more accepting of it than on the online forums?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Gilsey 56 on June 15, 2014, 11:05:59 PM
I agree. in any setup there as to be a leader of sorts and the trouble with this one is there isn't one and thats been the problem since we have had it,
The only man that brought both of these to the table was uncle Roy.
We have no leader on or off the pitch so get ready for more of the same.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on June 15, 2014, 11:13:17 PM
Its changed a few times today, but Irvine's Wiki profile currently reads:

'West Bromwich Albion

On 14 June 2014 West Bromwich Albion announced that Irvine would fill their vacant Head Coach role on a 12-month contract,[11] his first management work in the Premier League. He has been referred to as the "Special One" due to his special low cost, lack of ambition appointment by Jeremy Peace.'
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on June 15, 2014, 11:18:48 PM
He wasn't Moyes' assistant at Everton.
Preston I am told?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: stever60 on June 15, 2014, 11:26:22 PM
No better than villa fans.... Don't agree with the appointment fair enough but give the bloke a chance. He is appointed now. The board interviewed him and must have seen something. Do you seriously think the bods on the board want to see us fail. Of course they don't!  Every appointment is a risk...maybe we'll have some cash for players
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie004 on June 15, 2014, 11:31:04 PM
No better than villa fans.... Don't agree with the appointment fair enough but give the bloke a chance. He is appointed now. The board interviewed him and must have seen something. Do you seriously think the bods on the board want to see us fail. Of course they don't!  Every appointment is a risk...maybe we'll have some cash for players

i have had the same thoughts reading some of these posts.  Im not pleased, as i was hoping Sherwood was the next man in charge. However, we do have t=get behind the man in charge and follow the team through 'Thick and Thin'
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aztech on June 15, 2014, 11:34:53 PM
No better than villa fans.... Don't agree with the appointment fair enough but give the bloke a chance. He is appointed now. The board interviewed him and must have seen something. Do you seriously think the bods on the board want to see us fail. Of course they don't!  Every appointment is a risk...maybe we'll have some cash for players

I have no doubt most supporters will give the bloke a chance, however anyone who thinks he will not be hung out to dry the minute something goes wrong is deluded.

A bigger name would be afforded more time, for that reason alone the board have made a massive mistake.

I fear a Steve Kean type situation, where Irvine will quickly become the scapegoat.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 15, 2014, 11:39:21 PM
Preston I am told?
Can't say I know one way or the other about that. The Preston page on Wikipedia says: "Moyes left for Everton in March 2002 and his assistant Kelham O'Hanlon took over for the remainder of the season".

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 15, 2014, 11:45:24 PM
Apparently he is by all means an excellent coach.

Everybody in the game is "highly rated" by those in the game

And fans trot it out without having a clue what any of these guys actually do - or even how to quantify what makes a good coach.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbastrollers on June 15, 2014, 11:49:05 PM
No better than villa fans.... Don't agree with the appointment fair enough but give the bloke a chance. He is appointed now. The board interviewed him and must have seen something. Do you seriously think the bods on the board want to see us fail. Of course they don't!  Every appointment is a risk...maybe we'll have some cash for players

Explain what this 'something' is - or even his positive points?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: swad35 on June 15, 2014, 11:53:15 PM
I have no doubt most supporters will give the bloke a chance, however anyone who thinks he will not be hung out to dry the minute something goes wrong is deluded.

A bigger name would be afforded more time, for that reason alone the board have made a massive mistake.

I fear a Steve Kean type situation, where Irvine will quickly become the scapegoat.

Please no, the anger directed to Kean was embarrassing. Peace and the board are game on as far as I'm concerned but Irvine as much as I hate this appointment and I really f****** hate it, must be given time to fail. We are better then that, aren't we?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on June 15, 2014, 11:55:52 PM
Please no, the anger directed to Kean was embarrassing. Peace and the board are game on as far as I'm concerned but Irvine as much as I hate this appointment and I really f****** hate it, must be given time to fail. We are better then that, aren't we?
I think if you read most posts they are aimed at JP and the board and not necessarily at AI!  People have stated they dont want him but as far as I am aware they blame JP & the board!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kamarasboot on June 16, 2014, 12:02:13 AM
After a day for it to sink in I've been trying to get my head around this appointment. The two things I keep coming back to is that this guy came close to getting the job before we appointed RDM 1. How come he's never been deemed good enough since, when we've changed managers 2. What has he done in the time since to improve his cv that he's now the best candidate?!

 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: swad35 on June 16, 2014, 12:07:10 AM
I think if you read most posts they are aimed at JP and the board and not necessarily at AI!  People have stated they dont want him but as far as I am aware they blame JP & the board!

I read an email sent to AI current workplace telling him to eff off and one quickly followed up with welcome to the club. I just want our anger to be aimed at Peace and the board. The anger displayed against Kean was a waste of time and in some cases were uncalled for. Let's not see AI standing on the touch line with people screaming abuse at him behind the dugout. Turn around and aim it at the directors box.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: neoblue on June 16, 2014, 12:12:50 AM
Hi guys. I'm a Toffee in peace, and certainly no WUM. I wanted to know the consensus of your opinions re AI. I've always had a soft spot for Albion and I was pretty surprised to learn of this appointment. Having chatted to fellow Blues, we're of a similar puzzled outlook. Seems like most think he's a great coach and has worked wonders with everyone from the first team (under early Moyes) down to the Academy more recently. However his managerial stints have been less than convincing. I really hope it works out for you and good luck for the coming season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kamarasboot on June 16, 2014, 12:13:24 AM
I read an email sent to AI current workplace telling him to eff off and one quickly followed up with welcome to the club. I just want our anger to be aimed at Peace and the board. The anger displayed against Kean was a waste of time and in some cases were uncalled for. Let's not see AI standing on the touch line with people screaming abuse at him behind the dugout. Turn around and aim it at the directors box.

Problem is I wouldn't put it past Peace not to attend the first few homes games and if they turn out to be bad results they'll be no one in the directors box to aim the abuse at. I'd hate for a Kean situation up there but unfortunately I can see it going that way....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 16, 2014, 12:50:00 AM
Who said I'm basing my judgement on a managerial appointment? You've made that assumption.

Theres clearly no assumption, heres your original post that I replied to, just incase you forgot.

Absolutely horrified by the appointment - been sitting reading through each page of this thread.

People are going to try and put any sort of positive on this, but there are non. Absolutely nothing. The facts are that this was a cheap appointment in a situation where our chairman yet again is unwilling to back down after only a few weeks back apparently seeing the light.

There are no positives to take from this and I can only hope that the fans spit venom at the first opportunity - I can't even imagine the response he's going to get when introduced at our first home game. Irvine will be gone within 5 games, I'm absolutely sure of it.

This is a sickening appointment and signals the end of my close association of Albion, I will no longer be travelling across the country, paying good money to go and watch a club run by a cheap, stubborn chairman.

Alan Irvine - I hope it goes absolutely tits up for you, not because I particular dislike you, but because this club needs a serious shock (apparently last year wasn't enough). You are going to feel the wrath of thousands of angry fans, I don't think there has ever been more pressure on a manager before their first game. You will crumble, we will crumble and hopefully Peace will crumble.


I'm sure you mentioned a managerial appointment somewhere.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on June 16, 2014, 01:51:51 AM
Ok I've had some time to think about this and something wonderful has hit me.
Irvine has been stated as part of a coaching team.... that being said, when we have 3 points from 12 games then the whole coaching team should be fired. That means goodbye Pinky and Perky too!
I'd accept relegation to get those two moved on.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: phat_vapor on June 16, 2014, 02:49:23 AM
After a day for it to sink in I've been trying to get my head around this appointment. The two things I keep coming back to is that this guy came close to getting the job before we appointed RDM 1. How come he's never been deemed good enough since, when we've changed managers 2. What has he done in the time since to improve his cv that he's now the best candidate?!

the only thing i can think of why hes got the job is because hes done a great job at everton youth set up and jp did say in the statement he made he wanted the next head coach to bring through the youth from u21's but i still f****** hate jp
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Vassassin on June 16, 2014, 05:29:39 AM
West Bromwich Albion[edit]On 14 June 2014 West Bromwich Albion announced that Irvine would fill their vacant Head Coach role on a 12-month contract,[11] his first management work in the Premier League. He has been referred to as the "Special One" due to his special low cost, lack of ambition appointment by Jeremy Peace.
On Mr. Irvine's Wikipedia page, I had to try and somehow understand his connection to football, clear as mud now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aixelsyd on June 16, 2014, 05:34:21 AM
I believe it was the other way around.. He rejected us.

no he just assumed he had the job and said a couple of things he shouldn't

and when we went and hired RDM he had to change his story to appease the Preston Fan etc...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Adder on June 16, 2014, 06:22:45 AM
One man will ultimately be the fall guy or gain the plaudits but that doesn't necessarily mean he has to provide all the answers. Last year our recruitment was pants and it appears to have been too heavily influenced by Clarke,  he paid the penalty. McDonough became too heavily influenced in the coaching and it was pants, he paid the penalty. A number of players failed to perform and have paidvthe penalty. Peace took too much of a back seat and is paying a penalty with the backlash and criticism. (Its his club, he goes when he wants). Irvine,  for me, is being brought in to do the role that we wanted him first time around for which is to concentrate on the coaching and work with the remainder of the professionals that are appointed within the Club .
Don't want to drag this on but.... at any club, you get individuals disillusioned with various things / not getting picked/ playing out of position/ want a move away / handling personal issues / team arguments / dissent at tactics etc. etc.
It's not possible (or shouldn't be) for Irvine to divorce himself from all this. I view this as the man / team management aspect that someone has to handle....surely that has to be the man at the top in dealing with the team i.e. head coach....he can't just coach and do nothing else.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on June 16, 2014, 06:47:24 AM

Yet another 'short term' appointment by a hire and fire chairman.

There is an interesting piece from an ITV journalist and WBA fan Daniel Hewitt who I have worked with in the past and he's spot on when he says that Albion (aside from RH) under Jeremy Peace have appointed a candidate that is 'grateful' for the opportunity.

Tony Mowbray was a gamble which worked for a time until he got found out in the PL, RDM had never managed higher than League One. SC had never managed but his time working for the likes of Jose Mourinho, Kenny Dalglish and Sir Bobby Robson gave people something to cling on to.

Pepe Mel was grateful of the chance to manage in England and it was seen as a change in philosophy if you like.

This appointment, however, is a complete, utter joke. Name me another club in the PL (or Championship for that matter) who would have appointed Alan Irvine?

That's not me slating Alan Irvine (who is a nice bloke), it's simply the fact that there are many better candidates suited to the role.

Just over two years ago we had the current England manager in charge of first team affairs, so why on earth are we now appointing a guy who got sacked from PNE and got Sheffield Wednesday relegated to League One?

Mid-table Championship club? This is more like a League One appointment, this guy got nowhere near the Wolves post when Kenny Jackett was appointed....that says it all.

Would Brighton & Hove Albion have considered Irvine? In short, they'd have screwed his application up and threw it in the bin immediately!

When Irvine is dismissed I'm going to apply for the job for the following reasons -

1) I've no experience
2) I'm cheap
3) I don't have any assistants to bring with me
4) Happy with loans and Bosmans
5) Will accept the blame when it goes wrong.

See you when I'm appointed.

Absolutely disgraceful 12-18 months at West Bromwich Albion which is not about to get any better in the slightest.

As for Rob Kelly......enough said.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: blue on June 16, 2014, 07:02:58 AM
Whe Dan Ashworth was here , we had a philosophy of playing some good technical football aided by some cheap players with some technical ability.
The acadamy was also srarting to bring players through with some good technical ability,

What happens now with this appointment Alan Irvine is in the david moyes style of coaches
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cuckfield1704 on June 16, 2014, 07:34:16 AM
Can't say I know one way or the other about that. The Preston page on Wikipedia says: "Moyes left for Everton in March 2002 and his assistant Kelham O'Hanlon took over for the remainder of the season".

Alan Irvine was first team coach at Preston and the reason that he didn't take over when Moyes left for Everton is that Moyes took him with him as Everton first team coach. A good while later Irvine left Everton to take the manager's job at Preston and then Wednesday and then back to Everton as Academy Director.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: slugga1 on June 16, 2014, 07:34:49 AM
My head still hurts,  I just don't get it.  The worst thing about all of this is we are going to fill our squad with players Downing and Irvine want and then be stuck with them when it all goes tits up. We had a really fantastic chance to rejuvenate our entire set up and start how we mean to go on..
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on June 16, 2014, 07:51:44 AM
Hi guys. I'm a Toffee in peace, and certainly no WUM. I wanted to know the consensus of your opinions re AI. I've always had a soft spot for Albion and I was pretty surprised to learn of this appointment. Having chatted to fellow Blues, we're of a similar puzzled outlook. Seems like most think he's a great coach and has worked wonders with everyone from the first team (under early Moyes) down to the Academy more recently. However his managerial stints have been less than convincing. I really hope it works out for you and good luck for the coming season.

Hi mate, welcome to the board! Seems a lot of Evertonians have soft spots WBA and I for one quite like Everton too, possibly aided by my mega dislike of Liverpool!

Can you shed any light on Irvine for us? Is he seen as responsible for bringing through and developing the strong youth breaking through at Everton. What positives can we take?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on June 16, 2014, 07:55:25 AM
Hi mate, welcome to the board! Seems a lot of Evertonians have soft spots WBA and I for one quite like Everton too, possibly aided by my mega dislike of Liverpool!

Can you shed any light on Irvine for us? Is he seen as responsible for bringing through and developing the strong youth breaking through at Everton. What positives can we take?

You don't need an Everton fan to do that mate. I can...he's desperate.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on June 16, 2014, 07:55:38 AM
I tell you what, you see Saints about to employ Koeman, look at his previous clubs and his record at them, then look at who we've got and his record and previous clubs as a manager/head coach and it makes you feel a bit sick. Galling
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 07:59:04 AM
According to Colin, Irvine is not a motivator he cant  motivate in a dressing room.So whos going to do the teamtalk.Olsson maybe
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on June 16, 2014, 08:05:44 AM
The only thing i disagree with from Albion fans on this board is that there is a positive in all this, We will be playing our real rivals in a year and will get to face off against the wolves something i have missed being in the top flight.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on June 16, 2014, 08:06:29 AM
Hi guys. I'm a Toffee in peace, and certainly no WUM. I wanted to know the consensus of your opinions re AI. I've always had a soft spot for Albion and I was pretty surprised to learn of this appointment. Having chatted to fellow Blues, we're of a similar puzzled outlook. Seems like most think he's a great coach and has worked wonders with everyone from the first team (under early Moyes) down to the Academy more recently. However his managerial stints have been less than convincing. I really hope it works out for you and good luck for the coming season.
Welcome and thanks for the best wishes I and the rest of this board fear we will need them!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 08:07:36 AM
The only thing i disagree with from Albion fans on this board is that there is a positive in all this, We will be playing our real rivals in a year and will get to face off against the wolves something i have missed being in the top flight.


They might get promoted and Vila are our real rivals :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 08:09:20 AM
Hi guys. I'm a Toffee in peace, and certainly no WUM. I wanted to know the consensus of your opinions re AI. I've always had a soft spot for Albion and I was pretty surprised to learn of this appointment. Having chatted to fellow Blues, we're of a similar puzzled outlook. Seems like most think he's a great coach and has worked wonders with everyone from the first team (under early Moyes) down to the Academy more recently. However his managerial stints have been less than convincing. I really hope it works out for you and good luck for the coming season.



Hello Friend.I am devestated.The lowest i have felt in years supporting the Albion.This man might be an ok coach but look at his managerial record.Its a big worry.I understand the man cant motivate either
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BobTaylor on June 16, 2014, 08:11:32 AM


Hello Friend.I am devestated.The lowest i have felt in years supporting the Albion.This man might be an ok coach but look at his managerial record.Its a big worry.I understand the man cant motivate either

Are you sure Irvine is even going to be the head coach ? Im not i think theres only going to be one man who will be having the biggest influence on the dressing room.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 16, 2014, 08:12:50 AM
two days on and I still dont believe what the accountant has done to our club  >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pete on June 16, 2014, 08:21:26 AM
Albion are 5/2 to be relegated, BUYING MONEY LUMP ON!  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 08:27:27 AM
Are you sure Irvine is even going to be the head coach ? Im not i think theres only going to be one man who will be having the biggest influence on the dressing room.


Who will that one man be
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 16, 2014, 08:46:06 AM
Please no, the anger directed to Kean was embarrassing. Peace and the board are game on as far as I'm concerned but Irvine as much as I hate this appointment and I really f****** hate it, must be given time to fail. We are better then that, aren't we?

How oxymoronic. How about give him time to produce whatever results he gets.

Some of the bile spouted on here is worse than the appointment. I'm not happy with it but wishing the club gets relegated to shock though powers at be is the stupidest thing I've ever read. Villa did this to McLeish and he couldn't have won that lot over even if results were good.

The person who wrote to the Everton academy email, I'm sorry mate but that's bang out of order. You're making this club and it's fans look pathetic. I appreciate people are angry and I appreciate you want to vent and be angry and shout and stamp your feet. But wishing we lose games and get relegated and writing emails to future employees (or more than likely someone else who reads the email, decides you and by association the rest of the clubs fans are an ar*ehole and then delete it) is counter productive. I appreciate you're angry at the club but Irivine is not to blame. The fact people WANT him to fail is disgusting - why not direct that passion at WANTING him and THE CLUB to do well. At the end of the day if results are good it doesn't matter if Mpuronho, Irvine or Doris the tea lady are at the helm. Unless you actively hate him personally, Irvine hasn't done anything wrong yet.

If you're there sitting behind your keyboards thinking 'I hope we go down because this chairman is ruining my club' I hope you realise how idiotic that view is. You should want the best for the club. I'm not putting a positive spin on things I think the appointment is bad, but the reason I feel that was is because I want the BEST for the club. And because I want the best for the club I would never want us to fail.

If you're protesting I hope you realise that come the end of the season, if he's stayed in his job and done well, you realise just how much of a berk you are to protest BEFORE things have gone wrong. It's the sheer Villa-esque support of this club that makes me want this to work out - so I can at least thank the angry locals for focusing my anger on positivity.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on June 16, 2014, 09:22:50 AM
I'm finding the blind optimists far more irritating than the Dingles and Villa fans taking the p*ss out of us. Please stop kidding yourselves that this shambolic appointment could actually work. It doesn't make you any more of a fan than the rest of us by not criticising the decision so get off your high horses and accept the fact that Peace and the board have completely messed this up yet again.

Some of the people running this club and the dressing room are pure toxic. As a season ticket holder since the age of 7 and an away season ticket holder I have absolutely no shame in saying that if it takes going down to get rid of Peace, Jenkins, Garlick, Irvine, Kelly, Downing and Kiely then I'd happily accept it.

Seriously, someone please explain to me how, in any way, this appointment could actually work?! Look at his record for gods sake. Absolutely embarrassing. I'd rather have Dave Jones and that's saying something.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 16, 2014, 10:07:23 AM
What I find really annoying is that the bald one and the board fully expected to get a backlash over this appointment and thought they could hoodwink us by making an announcement on Saturday tea time just before England play their opening World Cup game.
What a bunch of to$$ers
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on June 16, 2014, 10:11:49 AM
I agree with Lloydy - the worst possible thing that could happen now is for us to accept the decision and return to our apathetic nature of 'what will be will be'.

We need to keep up the pressure on the board.

Irvine is just an unfortunate pawn in this mess.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: row ww on June 16, 2014, 10:19:56 AM
The "honeymoon period" didn't last long,did it?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on June 16, 2014, 10:20:03 AM
I agree with Lloydy - the worst possible thing that could happen now is for us to accept the decision and return to our apathetic nature of 'what will be will be'.

We need to keep up the pressure on the board.

Irvine is just an unfortunate pawn in this mess.

Albion supporters have always been deemed loyal & patient.

I think JP has crossed the line this time; only so much people can take.

Particularly after saying 'lessons have been learnt'.....desperate.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: djmark on June 16, 2014, 10:20:36 AM
I'm just flabbergasted with all of this... Just look at our coaches along with Burton - all of them from past era's with not a jot of notable success between them.

Burton - everybody in the game has nothing but praise for him apparently, yet was completely overlooked overlooked at Arsenal when Brady left - Wenger brought in a Dutch man.

Irvine - everybody in the game has nothing but praise for him apparently - Martinez and Moyes are his biggest fans.... Didn't see him with Moyes at Utd and no where near Martinez's first team staff. I don't know how many managers accross the divisions have been replaced in the last 3 years - but sure as dammit he's been no where near a job since his debacles with Preston and Sheff Wed.

Downing & Kiely - ok, managed to just about drag us out of relegation after the Mel disaster but we were still shockingly bad and was down to more luck than judgement in my eyes. The "players" friends, oh how training much have been a really good laugh for all involved.

I really thought the club would look to the future with this appointment - someone from the modern era. I wasn't Sherwoods biggest fan, but he's young with modern ideas and contacts in the game - a passionate man who would demand that extra mile from the players and not be scared the speak his mind. Imagine big Les Ferdinand walking on to the training pitch - players having a guy who's played at the top end of the prem stood in front of them or alternatively Rob Kelly. I'd like to think after 35+ years watching football, i know who he is - but the truth is I've never ever heard of the man!

I just can't bring myself to even look on the bright side or see how this appointment can be nothing short of a disaster.

I generally hope i'm wrong though and of course i'll be down the Albion on a saturday again - its what i've done for as long as i can remember. I can honestly say though, its the first time in my life i have actually considered stepping out, giving it up - but i've come through a good few many "staring into the abyss" moments in the past
so i guess i'm stuck with it.

I live in hope!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on June 16, 2014, 10:21:21 AM
I'm finding the blind optimists far more irritating than the Dingles and Villa fans taking the p*ss out of us. Please stop kidding yourselves that this shambolic appointment could actually work. It doesn't make you any more of a fan than the rest of us by not criticising the decision so get off your high horses and accept the fact that Peace and the board have completely messed this up yet again.

Some of the people running this club and the dressing room are pure toxic. As a season ticket holder since the age of 7 and an away season ticket holder I have absolutely no shame in saying that if it takes going down to get rid of Peace, Jenkins, Garlick, Irvine, Kelly, Downing and Kiely then I'd happily accept it.

Seriously, someone please explain to me how, in any way, this appointment could actually work?! Look at his record for gods sake. Absolutely embarrassing. I'd rather have Dave Jones and that's saying something.

You mention high horses and then state you're a home and away season ticket holder, seriously? ???

You would accept going down to get rid of some people? Thats what Wolves fans said so would you swap positions with them now?

I am annoyed with the appointment and seriously underwhelmed but I just cannot see how wishing failure upon the club has any form of positive impact whatsoever.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: blue on June 16, 2014, 10:21:33 AM
I agree with Lloydy - the worst possible thing that could happen now is for us to accept the decision and return to our apathetic nature of 'what will be will be'.

We need to keep up the pressure on the board.

Irvine is just an unfortunate pawn in this mess.
Spot on.
The time is now to show how we feel with this absolute dire football appointment.
If we just allow this now while peace is after more control , more decisions like this absolute joke appointment will be made.
He is just surrounding himself with yes men and making himself very wealthy at the expense of trying to move the club on. How hard is he trying to get some investment in and take us to the next stage.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: neoblue on June 16, 2014, 10:24:36 AM
Hi mate, welcome to the board! Seems a lot of Evertonians have soft spots WBA and I for one quite like Everton too, possibly aided by my mega dislike of Liverpool!

Can you shed any light on Irvine for us? Is he seen as responsible for bringing through and developing the strong youth breaking through at Everton. What positives can we take?
D

Well, when AI left to manage Preston, there was a distinct change in Everton's playing style. It seemed that Moyes became far more fearful in his approach and the way he set up his teams was definitely different. AI was attributed to be an attacking coach who was behind much of the good attacking play in the mid-Moyes era. Regarding the youth set-up, he was certainly well respected for doing a good job, in fact he was the only ex-player who had been an attacker, amongst Moyes' coaching staff who were all ex-defenders! Apparently Roberto Martinez thought highly of him, as he took on board and implemented RM's ideas quickly and had the youth team playing some great stuff this last season.
If he can blend the pragmatism of Moyes with the tactical awareness of Martinez - you'll have some manager! However that's a BIG IF!!

Good luck!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: MBWBA on June 16, 2014, 10:27:09 AM
We should be more anoyed about missing out on one of Sherwoods coaching staff  - Ramsey.

I work with an ex - professional who mixes a lot with British coaches and says that Ramsey is an 'Unbelievable' coach. He was genuinely excited for us when he though Ramsey was going to be working with some of our players.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on June 16, 2014, 10:27:23 AM
You mention high horses and then state you're a home and away season ticket holder, seriously? ???

You would accept going down to get rid of some people? Thats what Wolves fans said so would you swap positions with them now?

I am annoyed with the appointment and seriously underwhelmed but I just cannot see how wishing failure upon the club has any form of positive impact whatsoever.

Wolves are on the up, with a young hungry squad and a manager who knows what he's doing. I'd happily swap places, and it hurts me to say that.

I fail to see how becoming a bubble-headed optimist, vomiting sunshine and blindly hoping that "everything will turn out ok" is going to have any kind of positive impact in the long term.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggies54 on June 16, 2014, 10:34:43 AM
I am nearly 70 years old and the appointment of this kind can only enhance a peaceful retirement as I don't intend to give a toss about a club with absolutely no ambition whatsoever.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on June 16, 2014, 10:36:06 AM
Wolves are on the up, with a young hungry squad and a manager who knows what he's doing. I'd happily swap places, and it hurts me to say that.

I fail to see how becoming a bubble-headed optimist, vomiting sunshine and blindly hoping that "everything will turn out ok" is going to have any kind of positive impact in the long term.

Ok can't say I agree about Wolves...

There is no longer anything long term about football especially for a club of our standing who get taken the p*** out of with youth players been poached along with managers (Roy) and Sporting Directors (Ashworth).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 16, 2014, 10:36:49 AM
I'm finding the blind optimists far more irritating than the Dingles and Villa fans taking the p*ss out of us. Please stop kidding yourselves that this shambolic appointment could actually work. It doesn't make you any more of a fan than the rest of us by not criticising the decision so get off your high horses and accept the fact that Peace and the board have completely messed this up yet again.

Some of the people running this club and the dressing room are pure toxic. As a season ticket holder since the age of 7 and an away season ticket holder I have absolutely no shame in saying that if it takes going down to get rid of Peace, Jenkins, Garlick, Irvine, Kelly, Downing and Kiely then I'd happily accept it.

Seriously, someone please explain to me how, in any way, this appointment could actually work?! Look at his record for gods sake. Absolutely embarrassing. I'd rather have Dave Jones and that's saying something.

Why do you feel the need to insult fans who have a different opinion to yours?

Maybe stamping your feet & waving your arms around helps you get your own way in your life but I have a alternative view to you & no amount of ranting will change that, be angry by all means if thats what gets you through but don't slag off members who express the opposite to you.

FTR I'm not a 'blind optimist', just a realist & I've never been on a horse, let alone a high one. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VANDERLEI on June 16, 2014, 10:36:58 AM
I've been thinking that maybe AI's appointment was a way to give Downing the job, by deflecting the heat away from him? Running things from the shadows, so to speak.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on June 16, 2014, 10:38:15 AM
Ok can't say I agree about Wolves...

There is no longer anything long term about football especially for a club of our standing who get taken the p*** out of with youth players been poached along with managers (Roy) and Sporting Directors (Ashworth)..

So does that mean we should just sit back and accept any old garbage that we're served with?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on June 16, 2014, 10:39:25 AM
Why do you feel the need to insult fans who have a different opinion to yours?

Maybe stamping your feet & waving your arms around helps you get your own way in your life but I have a alternative view to you & no amount of ranting will change that, be angry by all means if thats what gets you through but don't slag off members who express the opposite to you.

FTR I'm not a 'blind optimist', just a realist & I've never been on a horse, let alone a high one.

Do what you want mate. Look forward to seeing you start off the Mexican waves when we're relegated.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on June 16, 2014, 10:39:36 AM
I've been thinking that maybe AI's appointment was a way to give Downing the job, by deflecting the heat away from him? Running things from the shadows, so to speak.

It didn't work, obviously....

The apparent love-in towards Downing and Kiely is just a total farce.

Tim Sherwood told you how thought of they are in as many words earlier today.

They're clueless.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on June 16, 2014, 10:43:38 AM
I think there is just some confusion.  Surely Irvine has been appointed to replace David Oldfield?  Hasn't he?  Got to be...  Surely.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on June 16, 2014, 10:44:22 AM
So does that mean we should just sit back and accept any old garbage that we're served with?

No by all means voice your opinion. I only questioned how it's done and I think that a reaction which has no positive effect and mainly a negative effect on the team and club is really just plain silly.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on June 16, 2014, 10:45:37 AM
I think there is just some confusion.  Surely Irvine has been appointed to replace David Oldfield?  Hasn't he?  Got to be...  Surely.

Do you think people would have lauded his appointment after poaching the Academy manager at Everton for our own academy?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 16, 2014, 10:45:42 AM
D

Well, when AI left to manage Preston, there was a distinct change in Everton's playing style. It seemed that Moyes became far more fearful in his approach and the way he set up his teams was definitely different. AI was attributed to be an attacking coach who was behind much of the good attacking play in the mid-Moyes era. Regarding the youth set-up, he was certainly well respected for doing a good job, in fact he was the only ex-player who had been an attacker, amongst Moyes' coaching staff who were all ex-defenders! Apparently Roberto Martinez thought highly of him, as he took on board and implemented RM's ideas quickly and had the youth team playing some great stuff this last season.
If he can blend the pragmatism of Moyes with the tactical awareness of Martinez - you'll have some manager! However that's a BIG IF!!

Good luck!

This post should be at the top of the thread & every poster made to read it before going anywhere near the medicine cabinet.

Great post mate but me thinks tooooo many on here will just breeze past it because JP is a very bad man & AI is not good enough for our Champions League chasing fans.............. (excuse the sarcasm neoblue)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on June 16, 2014, 10:46:41 AM
Do you think people would have lauded his appointment after poaching the Academy manager at Everton for our own academy?

I think people, myself included, would have thought he would have been an appropriate appointment for the u21 position.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 16, 2014, 10:51:09 AM
Do what you want mate. Look forward to seeing you start off the Mexican waves when we're relegated.

Thanks I'll do that  ;)

Will you be there to see the wave or are you going to demand your money back if you bought a ST? or, & more worrying, will you be going to the dingles as you suggested earlier?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on June 16, 2014, 10:52:18 AM
I think people, myself included, would have thought he would have been an appropriate appointment for the u21 position.

I'd maybe say that position shares some of the needs and responsibilities required of head coach. Minus the obvious pressure and step up in player quality which may well be Irvine's sticking point but then again who really actually knows?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on June 16, 2014, 10:54:51 AM
Thanks I'll do that  ;)

Will you be there to see the wave or are you going to demand your money back if you bought a ST? or, & more worrying, will you be going to the dingles as you suggested earlier?

I suggested as a club Wolves are on the up, we are very clearly on the way down. I've sat in the Southbank once before, as enjoyable as that day was I certainly won't be repeating it!

I'll be there to witness the inevitable this season. I was there before Peace and Jenkins and I'll be there long after as well.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on June 16, 2014, 10:56:42 AM
D

Well, when AI left to manage Preston, there was a distinct change in Everton's playing style. It seemed that Moyes became far more fearful in his approach and the way he set up his teams was definitely different. AI was attributed to be an attacking coach who was behind much of the good attacking play in the mid-Moyes era. Regarding the youth set-up, he was certainly well respected for doing a good job, in fact he was the only ex-player who had been an attacker, amongst Moyes' coaching staff who were all ex-defenders! Apparently Roberto Martinez thought highly of him, as he took on board and implemented RM's ideas quickly and had the youth team playing some great stuff this last season.
If he can blend the pragmatism of Moyes with the tactical awareness of Martinez - you'll have some manager! However that's a BIG IF!!

Good luck!


Most fans will take heart from the first highlighted statement but share your concerns expressed in the second.

All points to a bloke who would be an excellent addition to the Academy staff, but whose track record does nothing to allay fears for another season of struggle.

Day 3 and this is the best I can see things.

Of course we need to give the bloke a chance, but, but.....

does...
            not...
                     compute....
brain overload.......


fizz.....

splutter.....

pfft
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 16, 2014, 10:58:49 AM
I suggested as a club Wolves are on the up, we are very clearly on the way down. I've sat in the Southbank once before, as enjoyable as that day was I certainly won't be repeating it!

I'll be there to witness the inevitable this season. I was there before Peace and Jenkins and I'll be there long after as well.

At least theres one thing we can agree on.

If we don't get this 'guaranteed' relegation & you give me your seat number, I'll come down & we can start the wave together...... hows that
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on June 16, 2014, 11:00:40 AM
At least theres one thing we can agree on.

If we don't get this 'guaranteed' relegation & you give me your seat number, I'll come down & we can start the wave together...... hows that

If we don't go down I'll happily buy you a beer ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 16, 2014, 11:03:26 AM
If we don't go down I'll happily buy you a beer ;D

See, you're turning already  :P  oh & I might just hold you to that.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 16, 2014, 11:06:11 AM
I'm trying to be practical here.
I feel sorry for Irvine as he will have a lot of supporters gunning for him and his only crime is getting a job as a Premier League manager.
If there are to be protests or anger then it is solely the bald one and his directors who should incurr the wrath of the fans.
I suspect the calibre of players that we recruit in the next few weeks will dictate the depth of feeling towards Irvine on opening day of the season.
Get off the mark with a few wins and he should be able to buy himself some time, failure to do that and there will be the inevitable problems that follow.
I'm trying to look on the positive side but its very difficult when you know somebody with a lot more cash than you has taken you for a mug.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on June 16, 2014, 11:09:04 AM
I'm trying to be practical here.
I feel sorry for Irvine as he will have a lot of supporters gunning for him and his only crime is getting a job as a Premier League manager.
If there are to be protests or anger then it is solely the bald one and his directors who should incurr the wrath of the fans.
I suspect the calibre of players that we recruit in the next few weeks will dictate the depth of feeling towards Irvine on opening day of the season.
Get off the mark with a few wins and he should be able to buy himself some time, failure to do that and there will be the inevitable problems that follow.
I'm trying to look on the positive side but its very difficult when you know somebody with a lot more cash than you has taken you for a mug.

Couldn't agree more. Any anger should be directed straight at Peace. I feel sorry for Alan Irvine to be honest.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on June 16, 2014, 11:10:44 AM
After 2 days in the wilderness... I'm still trying to rationalise this appointment.  I'm contemplating a sweat lodge and a lot of mind altering substances to try and get my head around it.

God knows what the selection criteria on the due diligence were if Irvine is the best available.  I think you'd have to put him down as an experienced coach - he's been doing it for 20 years - but with no real success in a senior position in 1st team football.

I think that the relationship between the Chairman and the Manager (or head coach) is really important in modern football.  I think this is the prime motivation for the appointment.  Peace has put this relationship above all other selection criteria, and Peace thinks he can work with this guy.

I am saying this because I just don't see what Irvine excels at, and his lack of relevant experience means he's not a jack of all trades either.  What we need right now is someone who can attract players (at least 8 recruits required) bind them together (with the remnants of the squad) into a coherent unit and motivate them to perform.  I don't see any evidence that Irvine can do this.

In addition Peace must think that Irvine offers the best value for money - which basically means that Peace doesn't think that a coach makes much difference to the number of points we'll achieve.

There was a report recently about Man City being the best paid sports team in the world.  West Brom were 127th on that list and were the 28th highest paid football team.  That was for the 2012-13 season.  (Forgetting for a moment that we only have 13 senior pros - including Daniels, Berahino and Thorne - in our current squad.)  We are likely to have gone higher up that list with the influx of new TV money, and an increase in player remuneration.  So, you'd have expected us to attract a manager/head coach in the top 30 in world... Ok, some are with international teams, some are committed to other projects... Top 50?... 75?... 100?  I don't think (before Saturday) any of us would have put Irvine in the top 100 managers/head coaches in British football.

http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2013/06/11/revealed-man-city-rise-to-top-of-global-pay-charts-dodgers-soar-to-challenge-110601/ (http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2013/06/11/revealed-man-city-rise-to-top-of-global-pay-charts-dodgers-soar-to-challenge-110601/)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on June 16, 2014, 11:16:34 AM
Couldn't agree more. Any anger should be directed straight at Peace. I feel sorry for Alan Irvine to be honest.

This is my main argument, the team needs to be backed and as unfortunate and unbearable as some may find that means the manager does too at least until he proves otherwise.

This appointment may be a tipping point for some and deciding not to go to games anymore is a shame. All I can ask these people is who is losing out? Jeremy Peace certainly isn't because like it or not 20000+ will still turn up for games and the only ones losing out are those that choose not to turn up.

These same people may well have seen us lose plenty of games in the past and may have even been avid fans during the 'dark days' but it still means they are missing out on the chance to watch PL football at their football club.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on June 16, 2014, 11:19:27 AM
I think Peace is fed up of paying transfer fees, agents' fees and high wages.

Irvine has been a steady pair of hands at the Everton academy, so JP thinks he'll be the bloke to shape a decent team around what we have, a few cheaper additions and academy kids.

JP clearly wants the Academy to start justifying itself and making itself pay.

But it's still too much a gamble. Too many ifs and buts.

I said it yesterday and I'll say it again: JP has confused how much he's willing to pay with how much he can really afford.

If it goes t*ts up with AI then it'll all have been a false economy.

The more I think about it, the more I genuinely think JP doesn't really like football or the Club.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: HampshireBaggie on June 16, 2014, 11:21:13 AM
Once my anger has worn off i will back Irvine 100%. Until then....Alan. F******. Irvine. Alan Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Pieandapint on June 16, 2014, 11:25:55 AM
It takes a lot for Albion fans to turn on their club, but Peace has managed it with aplomb. The last few months have been a complete and utter shambles.

The club lurches from one PR disaster to another on a seemingly weekly basis- it's obvious the board have no respect whatsoever for the fans of this club.

You can stick your pinstripes Jeremy.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on June 16, 2014, 11:31:46 AM
It takes a lot for Albion fans to turn on their club, but Peace has managed it with aplomb. The last few months have been a complete and utter shambles.

The club lurches from one PR disaster to another on a seemingly weekly basis- it's obvious the board have no respect whatsoever for the fans of this club.

You can stick your pinstripes Jeremy.

When your club captain feels the need to call the club a shambles, what chance have you got?

This is just another instance in a long list of ridiculous decisions mainly based on saving money.

Place is a joke.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kc56wba on June 16, 2014, 11:35:11 AM
Before I went on holiday I said I wanted to come back and see a Welcome Martin Jol WBA new head coach subject. What have I come back to?  :o

I think the fans will make Irvine's life hell, but it should be aimed at some bold bloke and his staff including Burton who ( and this is just my opinion ) had a big say in Irvine's appointment.

 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: pau1200 on June 16, 2014, 11:36:07 AM
We should be more anoyed about missing out on one of Sherwoods coaching staff  - Ramsey.

I work with an ex - professional who mixes a lot with British coaches and says that Ramsey is an 'Unbelievable' coach. He was genuinely excited for us when he though Ramsey was going to be working with some of our players.
I dont want irvine to fail I dont want you watch a relegation fight again  this comming season but by appointing Irvine we have achieved nothing. The downing and deano needed to go as there partlh whats wrong. Pepe wanted to change the style but be needed is own men and was denied. Sherwood wanted his own men and that was also a sticking point. Ime guessing the 2 lot interviews revolved around 1 question. " Will you work with whats already there" and irvine obviously said yes.

One thing is clear and that Irvine wont be sacked before christmas and JP wont leave. We need to protest so our voices are heard but we also need to support the players as at the end of the day the albion is our club and we want it to succeed.
I bet we will only  ring in 4-5 players and irvne will try and bring the youth through its either going to bad very quickly or we will be suprised im betting on the first.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on June 16, 2014, 11:38:15 AM
Writing's on the wall folks: I think JP is looking to wind down his direct financial investment into the playing and coaching staff because he's looking to sell up.

Look at the facts: he's made this offer of £3,000 a pop to existing shareholders so he can get to a 75% shareholding.

That means he can sell to whoever he wants.

He's winding down his investment of time and money in the club, but in the process we could end up going down. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on June 16, 2014, 11:49:09 AM
Writing's on the wall folks: I think JP is looking to wind down his direct financial investment into the playing and coaching staff because he's looking to sell up.

Look at the facts: he's made this offer of £3,000 a pop to existing shareholders so he can get to a 75% shareholding.

That means he can sell to whoever he wants.

He's winding down his investment of time and money in the club, but in the process we could end up going down.

That would be find if he was investing... every cost comes out of turnover, and his involvement last season (appears) to have been pretty minimal.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: chipperclark on June 16, 2014, 11:50:32 AM
 ;D Interesting to note that more than 10,000 people have already read this thread.
This shows the concern of the Albion "faithfull" on the decision made for the new Head coach.

I hate to think what the players are thinking. I can imagine Foster checking his phone while on the bench for England the other night and seeing the news filter through?? :'(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 16, 2014, 11:55:53 AM
Writing's on the wall folks: I think JP is looking to wind down his direct financial investment into the playing and coaching staff because he's looking to sell up.

Look at the facts: he's made this offer of £3,000 a pop to existing shareholders so he can get to a 75% shareholding.

That means he can sell to whoever he wants.

He's winding down his investment of time and money in the club, but in the process we could end up going down.

Nothing personal against you mate but I've seen this themed post on numerous occasions & I can't believe that some can't see the improbability of it, will WBA be worth more or less money to JP if we get relegated, its just nonsensical to think Peace wants us to go down, the best analogy I can offer is this: say you've got a car to sell & in its current condition its worth £10.000, would you take a piece of 4x2 & batter it, making it worth less then half? ...........answers on a postcard  :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on June 16, 2014, 12:06:31 PM
Nothing personal against you mate but I've seen this themed post on numerous occasions & I can't believe that some can't see the improbability of it, will WBA be worth more or less money to JP if we get relegated, its just nonsensical to think Peace wants us to go down, the best analogy I can offer is this: say you've got a car to sell & in its current condition its worth £10.000, would you take a piece of 4x2 & batter it, making it worth less then half? ...........answers on a postcard  :)

It's just a theory, and you could well be right. After all and part of me agrees with you because I can't really see the true sense in JP's actions if it's true.   ;)

I'm not saying that he wants us to go down. (Even if we did there have been Championship clubs who have been bought and sold under similar circumstances).

To use your car analogy, I'm not saying he's deliberately out to run it down. He's paying the bare minimum running costs to keep it in working condition, so a buyer can come along eventually.

So that's what I'm trying to say: You can see this whole situation as Peace keeping the club ticking over for less than it'd cost to really get it back into tip-top Dan Ashworth/ Roy Hodgson era shape.

So you could be right, but the more I think about it the more I think he wants out.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hunsletbaggie on June 16, 2014, 12:15:44 PM
Got into work this morning and there's a lad who's a Blackpool fan says there is a thread on their website saying what are we thinking appointing Irvine as head coach.
 Just about says it all when lower league sides fans are taking the p**s.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie38 on June 16, 2014, 12:42:21 PM
I feel sorry for those of you who renewed prior to this announcement being made.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on June 16, 2014, 12:49:03 PM
Nothing personal against you mate but I've seen this themed post on numerous occasions & I can't believe that some can't see the improbability of it, will WBA be worth more or less money to JP if we get relegated, its just nonsensical to think Peace wants us to go down, the best analogy I can offer is this: say you've got a car to sell & in its current condition its worth £10.000, would you take a piece of 4x2 & batter it, making it worth less then half? ...........answers on a postcard  :)

Investor, i want to buy, but i'm not paying all the tax,
Jezza, ok $x, xxx,xxx in cayman account and $x,xxx,xxx through the WBA holdings account ok
Investor, sounds cool, get 75% of the shares into WBA holdings and we're good to go.
Jezza, ok will have to a bit of ducking and diving to scare the unwashed into signing over their shares, but as soon as we have them its all yours.
Shakes hands!!

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 16, 2014, 12:59:30 PM
Investor, i want to buy, but i'm not paying all the tax,
Jezza, ok $x, xxx,xxx in cayman account and $x,xxx,xxx through the WBA holdings account ok
Investor, sounds cool, get 75% of the shares into WBA holdings and we're good to go.
Jezza, ok will have to a bit of ducking and diving to scare the unwashed into signing over their shares, but as soon as we have them its all yours.
Shakes hands!!

Roughly where my brain's been heading on this.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 16, 2014, 01:11:44 PM
Investor, i want to buy, but i'm not paying all the tax,
Jezza, ok $x, xxx,xxx in cayman account and $x,xxx,xxx through the WBA holdings account ok
Investor, sounds cool, get 75% of the shares into WBA holdings and we're good to go.
Jezza, ok will have to a bit of ducking and diving to scare the unwashed into signing over their shares, but as soon as we have them its all yours.
Shakes hands!!

Could make a great film (if a tad libelous) I do love a good conspiracy theory.  :-X
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 16, 2014, 01:34:21 PM
Good point made by westbromjim on another thread.

How come we haven't seen the obligatory scarf waving photo session of peace and Irvine welcome anywhere?

Too embarrassing is it?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Stormy78 on June 16, 2014, 01:37:03 PM
Its planned for Half time in the England game on Thursday.....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 01:38:50 PM
Its planned for Half time in the England game on Thursday.....



so hes hoping that England will be 3 up by then and we are all merry on ale
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 16, 2014, 01:39:41 PM
Its planned for Half time in the England game on Thursday.....
Yes just because Peace knows no one will be around to hurl the deserved abuse heading his way, the COWARD
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 16, 2014, 01:49:41 PM
Yes just because Peace knows no one will be around to hurl the deserved abuse heading his way, the COWARD

Yes I'm sure he's absolutely s4!ting himself at the thought of fans slagging him off, if he is the man many on here have depicted him as, he won't give a flying **** about what any of us think.

As for the scarf waving 'issue', is this just another stick to beat the club with?  :-[

If Peace stood at the Kings gates handing out free fivers there would be some calling him a tight wad as it should be tenners. damned if you do & all that
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 16, 2014, 01:58:47 PM
Yes I'm sure he's absolutely s4!ting himself at the thought of fans slagging him off, if he is the man many on here have depicted him as, he won't give a flying **** about what any of us think.

As for the scarf waving 'issue', is this just another stick to beat the club with?  :-[

If Peace stood at the Kings gates handing out free fivers there would be some calling him a tight wad as it should be tenners. damned if you do & all that

Actually you never know he might, maybe he wasn't expecting this level of reaction, he seems so far adrift of what the fans think, and now he has shown his colours that he just doesn't care about the fans either.

Seen this coming for a while, but some fans still stuck up for him, we'll he has crossed that line now of no real return, but hey, what does he care :'(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on June 16, 2014, 02:01:20 PM
Good point made by westbromjim on another thread.

How come we haven't seen the obligatory scarf waving photo session of peace and Irvine welcome anywhere?

Too embarrassing is it?

Let's face it, Peace has been left with egg all over his face with this decision. Everyone in football knows that Irvine would have been nowhere near the top of any list, therefore the only logic is that he was the only one who would even consider the job, all other genuine applicants have said no, Sherwood has as good as said so. It also flies in the face of everything he said at the end of the season, so makes him look like a prize plum.
Peace thought he was a big shot, hard talking businessman, but has now been found out to be a spoilt brat who no-one wants to work with. That's why no scarf waving, he is licking his wounds somewhere.
Let's hope his damaged ego prompts him to move on and sell to someone who actually has the club at heart and not purely their own interests.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 16, 2014, 02:17:35 PM
Actually you never know he might, maybe he wasn't expecting this level of reaction, he seems so far adrift of what the fans think, and now he has shown his colours that he just doesn't care about the fans either.

Seen this coming for a while, but some fans still stuck up for him, we'll he has crossed that line now of no real return, but hey, what does he care :'(

I'm sure that most if not all Premier team owners don't really care about fans, so please don't think its exclusive to us, given the choice between Sky money or fans money which do you think they would choose?

Jeremy Peace is obviously a wealthy man (queue the 'because he's taking so much out of the club' theorist's), fans need to see beyond petty jealousy & realise that whilst its not & probably never will be perfect, it could be a damn sight worse & here comes the cliche 'BE VERY VERY CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR'   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kirk on June 16, 2014, 02:20:54 PM
Cant wait for the Peace Disciples coming out saying they love the new strip
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 16, 2014, 02:21:24 PM
I'm sure that most if not all Premier team owners don't really care about fans, so please don't think its exclusive to us, given the choice between Sky money or fans money which do you think they would choose?

Jeremy Peace is obviously a wealthy man (queue the 'because he's taking so much out of the club' theorist's), fans need to see beyond petty jealousy & realise that whilst its not & probably never will be perfect, it could be a damn sight worse & here comes the cliche 'BE VERY VERY CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR'   
Oh by no means is he on his own, however many of our fans have thought he was ok for this club in the past, now they see his and mark Jenkins true colours.

Sometimes people out stay their welcome, of course we have to be careful what we ask for, but hey we need to bold and stand up for what we believe in, and a dictatorship is not what this country is used to
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 16, 2014, 02:24:46 PM
With respect I can't think of anything that would be worse for us than JP and his last two year's worth of actions.

People vilified Vincent Tan because he radically altered the team's strip, ignored the fans opinions completely on just about everything and made rash egotistical decisions that were not in the least bit in the club's interest.

Looks the same to me.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: garry on June 16, 2014, 02:27:57 PM
I wonder if Dan Ashworth fancies a chairmanship job - it seems more and more to me that he was the 'brains' for a long time.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bangkokbaggie on June 16, 2014, 02:31:14 PM
Let's face it, Peace has been left with egg all over his face with this decision. Everyone in football knows that Irvine would have been nowhere near the top of any list, therefore the only logic is that he was the only one who would even consider the job, all other genuine applicants have said no, Sherwood has as good as said so. It also flies in the face of everything he said at the end of the season, so makes him look like a prize plum.
Peace thought he was a big shot, hard talking businessman, but has now been found out to be a spoilt brat who no-one wants to work with. That's why no scarf waving, he is licking his wounds somewhere.
Let's hope his damaged ego prompts him to move on and sell to someone who actually has the club at heart and not purely their own interests.

I think you have summed it up well how we ended up with this appointment. Any decent applicant would never even contemplate applying as JP's reputation must by now be well-known. That then leaves second-rate applicants and I bet some of them decided no once the reality of the constraints hit them.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: perkyone on June 16, 2014, 02:44:14 PM
It's Interesting that someone has mentioned Dan Ashworth, when he was at the club there were loads saying he had to go  because his decision making was rubbish. Look how hard he worked for the club and the players he brought in.  We certainly miss him now. Give JP some credit  i remember JP coming up from London with London supporters club to home games he always had an opinion about how the club should go. He was a committed fan with some sound opinions on finance and football.  He has certainly moved this club forward. Sherwood and Ferdinand have no pedigree or track record they would have been a bigger personalities which is always a big risk. Majority of moaning baggies fans i hear sound remarkably like seals!!! Lets see how committed you all are when we start making some signings.
 Make your judgment then
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 16, 2014, 02:45:59 PM
It's Interesting that someone has mentioned Dan Ashworth, when he was at the club there were loads saying he had to go  because his decision making was rubbish. Look how hard he worked for the club and the players he brought in.  We certainly miss him now. Give JP some credit  i remember JP coming up from London with London supporters club to home games he always had an opinion about how the club should go. He was a committed fan with some sound opinions on finance and football.  He has certainly moved this club forward. Sherwood and Ferdinand have no pedigree or track record they would have been a bigger personalities which is always a big risk. Majority of moaning baggies fans i hear sound remarkably like seals!!! Lets see how committed you all are when we start making some signings.
 Make your judgment then

Ha ha decent signings, yeah right, cuckoo cuckoo
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 16, 2014, 02:50:41 PM
It's Interesting that someone has mentioned Dan Ashworth, when he was at the club there were loads saying he had to go  because his decision making was rubbish. Look how hard he worked for the club and the players he brought in.  We certainly miss him now. Give JP some credit  i remember JP coming up from London with London supporters club to home games he always had an opinion about how the club should go. He was a committed fan with some sound opinions on finance and football.  He has certainly moved this club forward. Sherwood and Ferdinand have no pedigree or track record they would have been a bigger personalities which is always a big risk. Majority of moaning baggies fans i hear sound remarkably like seals!!! Lets see how committed you all are when we start making some signings.
 Make your judgment then

and what track record does Alan Irvine have?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 16, 2014, 02:51:03 PM
Ha ha decent signings, yeah right, cuckoo cuckoo

Agree the appointment of Irvine is the indicator of the ambition will be showing on transfers. Cheap and sh*te.

Irvine will be the yes man that will not even question it.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 03:28:39 PM
Any one got any odds on Irvines sacking at this stage
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 16, 2014, 03:31:56 PM
Any one got any odds on Irvines sacking at this stage

I would say he'll be gone by Christmas to be replaced with Downing after a 5 week due diligence escapade.
With those imortal words " Keith was always our first choice candidate"
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on June 16, 2014, 03:32:34 PM
I've calmed down and will be willing to see what he says in the press conference and what sort of signings we make. I really hope it works out and we have a better season than last.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 03:33:29 PM
I've calmed down and will be willing to see what he says in the press conference and what sort of signings we make. I really hope it works out and we have a better season than last.


Some might fall in love
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 16, 2014, 03:36:45 PM
I've calmed down and will be willing to see what he says in the press conference and what sort of signings we make. I really hope it works out and we have a better season than last.

Still seething but feel the same as this
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ronnie_allen on June 16, 2014, 03:43:16 PM
Am I the only one to admit that Irvine was my preferred choice for the Head Coach. Mind you that was back in 2009 after Mowbray's departure and we were settiing up for a year in the Championship.

Am underwhelmed alright. Wasn't overly eager on Sherwood who appears to have been focusing on a lot of PR work both prior and after his non-appointment. Didn't seem to be linked too closely with any decent Coaches with top flight Head Coach/Managerial experience, when previously we obviously had the likes of Mel and Ralk Rangnick being touted. Certainly seemed to be recruiting in the lower reaches of prospective Premier League managers.

On Irvine, I don't believe that you are always the same as you were. He started off brightly with Preston, leading him to be among the favorites for the vacant job at West Brom in 2009 but took a downturn and had a struggle at Sheffield Wednesday too. I would hope that his time at Everton has allowed him freshen his mindset and approach, and perhaps some of these ideas may have come across in his discussions with the Albion board.

Anyway, I am underwhelmed but just needed to get my own thoughts off my chest and onto other peoples.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AlbionFan on June 16, 2014, 04:10:58 PM
Whilst trying to understand, make sense of and analyse this debacle, I suddenly had thoughts of a film originally made in 1965 (remade 2004)  that starred James Stewart, Richard Attenborough and Hardy Kruger amongst others, the plot rang a bell with me and I thought it had (maybe very tenuous)  similarities with our current plight and predicament, the plot went something like this:

Towns ((Stewart) aka Albion Fan) and Moran ((Attenborough) aka Albion Fan) learn that Dorfmann ((Kruger) aka Alan Irvine) designs model aircraft instead of full-sized aircraft. (Academy Coach, no PL Managerial Experience). Dorfmann claims the principles are the same (Coaching PL Players / Academy Players), but Towns and Moran are horrified at the idea of flying an aircraft (watching West Broms first team) made by a man who works with "toys" (Academy Players Coach). Without any other choice (Irvine is appointed Head Coach in spite of fans protestations), however, Towns and Moran forge ahead with the plan (go to home and away matches) and don't tell the others of their discovery (fans suppress their true feelings and continue to support West Brom).

Just as the water runs out (fans total despair begins to set in), the Phoenix is completed (players recruited and the season kicks off). Dorfmann panics when four cartridges fail to start the plane's engine (we lose the first four games of the season) and Towns wants to use one of the remaining three cartridges just to clear the engine's cylinders (fans want Alan Irvine out). Dorfmann objects (Irvine insists he is the man for the job and has had player injuries effecting his preferred playing style), but Towns ignores him and fires one cartridge with the ignition off (Fans become more restless and protest continue). The next cartridge succeeds (Albion win a game, injured players have returned and playing style more attacking). The men pull the Phoenix (West Bromwich Albion) to a nearby hilltop and climb onto the wings (Albion give their full support to the team and Irvine) with Carlos' pet monkey (aka Peace) in tow. When Towns guns the engine (Albion Fans right behind the team), the Phoenix slides down the hill and along a lake bed before taking off (Albion win more games) After the Phoenix lands at an oasis with a manned oil rig, the men celebrate and Towns and Dorfmann reconcile. (The season ends and Albion finish mid-table. Alan Irvine and Albion Fans call a truce for now!)

The Film, "The Flight of The Phoenix" and we all know the mythical story of the Phoenix, don't we?
 
Keep the Faith during these difficult times, we know who we are!!

(http://)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on June 16, 2014, 04:14:55 PM
Ha, very good, I like it!!!

I'll take that as a season right now!!! I fear however that we're utterly fecked. Guess we'll see by the quality of incoming players this coming few months.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on June 16, 2014, 04:21:26 PM
Been out all day no resignations yet then >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggieboy74 on June 16, 2014, 04:54:29 PM
still can't believe it.......so angry
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 16, 2014, 04:56:16 PM
COME BACK PEPE MEL YOUR CLUB NEEDS YOU

::)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 16, 2014, 05:00:59 PM
COME BACK PEPE MEL YOUR CLUB NEEDS YOU

::)

Ha ha even if he came back whilst peace is there his hands would be tied, seem to be in a vortex as a club at the moment
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on June 16, 2014, 05:02:57 PM
Well it's now been 48 hours since the news broke officially about Alan Irivne and I'd like to confirm I'm still as livid now as I was then.

In fact, now it's finally sunk in, I'm feeling even worse.

It's absolutely scandalous.

Two months before the start of the season and I'm already fearing relegation.

Pathetic.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 05:06:03 PM
Well it's now been 48 hours since the news broke officially about Alan Irivne and I'd like to confirm I'm still as livid now as I was then.

In fact, now it's finally sunk in, I'm feeling even worse.

It's absolutely scandalous.

Two months before the start of the season and I'm already fearing relegation.

Pathetic.



Maybe a top player signing might help soften the blow
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on June 16, 2014, 05:11:46 PM


Maybe a top player signing might help soften the blow

Alan Irvine - “My passion is for coaching and I believe my strength is on the training ground, which is where we need to get the work done.”

Translation - "All I have to do is coach, Richard and Terry will sign the players and then I'll have to make do with what I'm given"
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: royhan on June 16, 2014, 05:31:43 PM
I won't invest my money yet on Albion being relegated, but unless we sign at least FOUR quality players I am going to have to put 60 plus years of Albion loyalty to the back of my mind and think of filling my pockets instead. We have got to be racing certainties at present to be relegated.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbarenno on June 16, 2014, 05:32:50 PM


Maybe a top player signing might help soften the blow

Name me any top player thats going to come to us now? We dont pay the wages and irvine will struggle to attract league 1 players!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on June 16, 2014, 05:34:32 PM
Name me any top player thats going to come to us now? We dont pay the wages and irvine will struggle to attract league 1 players!

Darren Carter seems to sing his praises highly enough. Maybe he's trying for a move?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 05:39:32 PM
Great lets get Chaplow back too
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Greenock Baggie on June 16, 2014, 05:45:13 PM
Whilst trying to understand, make sense of and analyse this debacle, I suddenly had thoughts of a film originally made in 1965 (remade 2004)  that starred James Stewart, Richard Attenborough and Hardy Kruger amongst others, the plot rang a bell with me and I thought it had (maybe very tenuous)  similarities with our current plight and predicament, the plot went something like this:

Towns ((Stewart) aka Albion Fan) and Moran ((Attenborough) aka Albion Fan) learn that Dorfmann ((Kruger) aka Alan Irvine) designs model aircraft instead of full-sized aircraft. (Academy Coach, no PL Managerial Experience). Dorfmann claims the principles are the same (Coaching PL Players / Academy Players), but Towns and Moran are horrified at the idea of flying an aircraft (watching West Broms first team) made by a man who works with "toys" (Academy Players Coach). Without any other choice (Irvine is appointed Head Coach in spite of fans protestations), however, Towns and Moran forge ahead with the plan (go to home and away matches) and don't tell the others of their discovery (fans suppress their true feelings and continue to support West Brom).

Just as the water runs out (fans total despair begins to set in), the Phoenix is completed (players recruited and the season kicks off). Dorfmann panics when four cartridges fail to start the plane's engine (we lose the first four games of the season) and Towns wants to use one of the remaining three cartridges just to clear the engine's cylinders (fans want Alan Irvine out). Dorfmann objects (Irvine insists he is the man for the job and has had player injuries effecting his preferred playing style), but Towns ignores him and fires one cartridge with the ignition off (Fans become more restless and protest continue). The next cartridge succeeds (Albion win a game, injured players have returned and playing style more attacking). The men pull the Phoenix (West Bromwich Albion) to a nearby hilltop and climb onto the wings (Albion give their full support to the team and Irvine) with Carlos' pet monkey (aka Peace) in tow. When Towns guns the engine (Albion Fans right behind the team), the Phoenix slides down the hill and along a lake bed before taking off (Albion win more games) After the Phoenix lands at an oasis with a manned oil rig, the men celebrate and Towns and Dorfmann reconcile. (The season ends and Albion finish mid-table. Alan Irvine and Albion Fans call a truce for now!)

The Film, "The Flight of The Phoenix" and we all know the mythical story of the Phoenix, don't we?
 
Keep the Faith during these difficult times, we know who we are!!

(http://)
Theres another great film from around that time called "A night to remember" about a certain unsinkable ship that never reached its destination. The name of the ship.........TITANIC. The only difference is that the Titanics Captain ( Peace in our case ) had the decency to go down with his ship.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on June 16, 2014, 05:49:36 PM

Is there a picture of Alan Irvine holding up the new white pinstripe shower of poorness yet?

He'll be stood with Darren Carter, Richard Chaplow, Sean St. Ledger and Craig Beattie.

Four star studded signings for this year FFS.....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on June 16, 2014, 05:52:00 PM
Let's see what Irvine can do with a good set of players, we need to make sure we have a good transfer window and the majority of our signings need to be a success unlike last year.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on June 16, 2014, 05:54:03 PM
While I'm prepared to see what happens with Irvine (what choice do we have ?) the idea of him in charge and our first signing being Gardner is as appealing as a 4 day old cheese sandwich.
I'd snatch your hand of for McInnes right now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbarenno on June 16, 2014, 06:05:09 PM
Let's see what Irvine can do with a good set of players, we need to make sure we have a good transfer window and the majority of our signings need to be a success unlike last year.

Like i said in a post above mate we aint going to attract good players with poor wages and Irvine in charge.

Its the best players from the lower leagues and gamble foreign players for us. Thats the best were going to get!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: gerry m on June 16, 2014, 06:26:44 PM
Let's see what Irvine can do with a good set of players, we need to make sure we have a good transfer window and the majority of our signings need to be a success unlike last year.

Cant see that happening mate. Cheap option coach meaning cheap option players. Only got the job because Sherwood turned it down.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 06:32:37 PM
Anybody but Irvine. Peace off peace
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on June 16, 2014, 06:38:54 PM
Just wonder how many others may have been approached unofficially let it be known they didnt want the job.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 16, 2014, 06:39:44 PM
Anybody but Irvine. Peace off peace

Do you really mean anybody? Jones? Terry Connor? Big Eck? Gould?

I'm sure could have been many, many worse. Not to say he's the right man but really there could have been worse.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 06:40:56 PM
Do you really mean anybody? Jones? Terry Connor? Big Eck? Gould?

I'm sure could have been many, many worse. Not to say he's the right man but really there could have been worse.



Yes i would have taken Dave Jones and the big eck over irvine.Loose the first 6 games and he will be gone
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 16, 2014, 06:43:16 PM
Let's see what Irvine can do with a good set of players, we need to make sure we have a good transfer window and the majority of our signings need to be a success unlike last year.

Can't argue with that. If Burton can pull a few rabbits from the hat let's see where we go after that.

I really think the vilification of Irvine should stop. The bloke was offered a good opportunity and took it, who wouldn't have done the same. Labelling him Alan Irvine before a ball has been kicked is just unfair on him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbarenno on June 16, 2014, 06:46:21 PM
Anybody but Irvine. Peace off peace

I didnt think it could get any worse then dave jons myself. But look at Jone's record compared

He took Stockport up to the championship,he also got them to the league cup semi final beating 4 teams from a higher league on the way

Managed over 100 games at southampton in the premier league

Got wolves to the play offs twice with them being promoted the 2nd time

Cardiff got in the play offs numerous times


Alan irvine makes dave jones look like Alex ferguson

I still cant get my head round this!





Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 06:48:47 PM
Does anyone know Irvines win record, did i hear correctly its only 30%
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on June 16, 2014, 06:50:35 PM
Can't argue with that. If Burton can pull a few rabbits from the hat let's see where we go after that.

I really think the vilification of Irvine should stop. The bloke was offered a good opportunity and took it, who wouldn't have done the same. Labelling him Alan Irvine before a ball has been kicked is just unfair on him.
Agree with the hammering Irvine is getting, the bloke is doomed before a baall has been kicked. I just don't get the reasoning behind his appointment. Meaning I think it's unfair, not I agree we should hammer him
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 06:51:47 PM
Reid and Ridgewell coming back according to Mel because Irvine wont be able to attract anybody else
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dudleylad on June 16, 2014, 06:56:50 PM
Wheres the link to Mels comments?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 06:58:15 PM
Wheres the link to Mels comments?


Not Pepe Mel Dudley.Mel from Dudley on WM :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on June 16, 2014, 06:59:55 PM
Reid and Ridgewell coming back according to Mel because Irvine wont be able to attract anybody else

What kind of budget do you imagine Irvine has got this year? 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on June 16, 2014, 07:00:49 PM

Not Pepe Mel Dudley.Mel from Dudley on WM :D

Didn't hear him say that! I think it's safe to say 99% if our fans are gutted
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: stever60 on June 16, 2014, 07:06:16 PM
Explain what this 'something' is - or even his positive points?
i don't know I didn't interview him. Did you? Do you know the man or are you just jumping on this bile of a thread?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbarenno on June 16, 2014, 07:06:34 PM
Reid and Ridgewell coming back according to Mel because Irvine wont be able to attract anybody else

Dont even joke about that  :o
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on June 16, 2014, 07:11:27 PM
i don't know I didn't interview him. Did you? Do you know the man or are you just jumping on this bile of a thread?

You mean Lord Lucan JP, the Scarlet Pimpernel?, the one of the main reasons we are writing this bile of a thread, is because Mr Elusive is 'unavailable'
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on June 16, 2014, 07:12:03 PM
Just got in to read that Southampton have appointed Koeman. It gets even more depressing. They were a League 1 club not so long ago.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ian66 on June 16, 2014, 07:15:41 PM
I like many, many others think this appointment is rediculous as IMO there were far better coaches available and if JP had shown more ambition and did as he quoted after PM departure,"learn from mistakes made last season" we could of landed someone better.

I won't go on and repeat what as already been written as it's all getting a bit boring, but one thing I'd like to know if anyone has done any digging.

Does anyone know what AI working contitions were like at PNE and Sheff Wed? Were his hands tied regarding transfer's, size of squads, etc, etc, etc.......??
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 07:17:45 PM
Just been on a few other clubs message boards.We surely are giving them something to laugh at
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AuxerreAlbion on June 16, 2014, 07:20:05 PM
I'm baffled and disappointed by this decision and see only relegation this season.
Unless we make some incredible signings, including a real leader/motivator.
Day to day coaching and leading a team are different skills, our chairman seems to believe that coaching is enough, he is wrong.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 16, 2014, 07:22:08 PM
The reason we didn't get a more high profile coach is simple.
Money!
Richard Sneakers and Froggat have both said tonight that Alan Irvine will be the lowest paid manager/coach in the Premiership. Add the that we have the 4th highest paid chairman on the league you can see the disparity between the two
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 07:22:14 PM
Maybe we should get Scott Parker in to do the team talks
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on June 16, 2014, 07:25:16 PM
The reason we didn't get a more high profile coach is simple.
Money!
Richard Sneakers and Froggat have both said tonight that Alan Irvine will be the lowest paid manager/coach in the Premiership. Add the that we have the 4th highest paid chairman on the league you can see the disparity between the two

How does he make more money by getting relegated?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on June 16, 2014, 07:27:21 PM
The reason we didn't get a more high profile coach is simple.
Money!
Richard Sneakers and Froggat have both said tonight that Alan Irvine will be the lowest paid manager/coach in the Premiership. Add the that we have the 4th highest paid chairman on the league you can see the disparity between the two

You forgot the 20% dividend he pays himself on all profits
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 16, 2014, 07:28:31 PM
How does he make more money by getting relegated?

Pass on that one.
Where have I said or intimated that?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on June 16, 2014, 07:29:34 PM
How does he make more money by getting relegated?

A calculated gamble, if WBA go down, I'll guarantee you JP's salary won't, and if he or anyone else wants to come on here and tell me different then fine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mifos on June 16, 2014, 07:30:59 PM
Just been on a few other clubs message boards.We surely are giving them something to laugh at

And with some justification. They can take the mick all they like, there is absolutely nothing they can say that will make me feel any worse about this appointment.

I wish him all the luck in the world and would like nothing more than being proved completely wrong, but if that happens it just means Peace (and Albion) will have got very lucky ... there's simply no logic or sense in the decision to justify it, it's a reckless appointment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 16, 2014, 07:37:19 PM
Franksie tonight on WM (for so called balance) kept saying to all the criticism of the appointment of Ivirne "well what if Albion win their first 3 games what will you think of the coach then"? Well we wont win the first 3 games. We will be  lucky if we win 3 games all season. I can see it now first game at home we go 1-0 down. The chants of peace out begin. At 3-0 down there is a mass walk out like at the end of the season game. Then repeat the same scenario at the next game until after 6 home games he is sacked. God only knows what then. Nothing will change while we have the owner we have. Again Franksie made my blood boil saying "be careful what you wish for". Well I wish for a place in the premier league with some modest ambition not 8th every season just some pride in our club for the way we try and play. Like Swansea Stoke Hull Crystal Palace Southampton to name a few . Are they all bigger clubs than us? Why can t we have their ambition we have very similar Turnover and wages (and if you don't believe that look at this http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/01/premier-league-accounts-club-by-club-david-conn) And if you do look for one of the highest paid directors in the premier league. See if it marries up with the lowest PAID MANAGER IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE YES YOU GUESSED IT IRVINE. I hope sometime soon I can stop feeling so angry and have some hope for the club I love.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: silver surfer on June 16, 2014, 07:39:16 PM
Maybe we should get Scott Parker in to do the team talks
Or we could play a Phil Neville commentary over the speakers in the away changing room, same difference really.
I've stuck up for JP more than once on here, but having had 48 hours to digest the news I've gone from seething to alcoholic.
This is the equivalent of giving up on life.
Walking down the shops in slippers and jim jams to buy a single fag from the bloke who owns the chippie, and fetching the shopping in an old pram.
Cheap as chips ....how much for a fag?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 16, 2014, 07:39:54 PM
Cant see that happening mate. Cheap option coach meaning cheap option players. Only got the job because Sherwood turned it down.

I we now know the real reason that Sherwood turned it down is that he wanted his own coaches in and to dispense with Pinky and Perky. We are the only club that when the head coach/manager is replaced we still keep on the rest of the coaching staff that were responsible of failing with that head coach.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 16, 2014, 07:45:06 PM
Can't argue with that. If Burton can pull a few rabbits from the hat let's see where we go after that.

I really think the vilification of Irvine should stop. The bloke was offered a good opportunity and took it, who wouldn't have done the same. Labelling him Alan Irvine before a ball has been kicked is just unfair on him.
I don't feel sorry for Irvine at all. Even if he was sacked after 6 games he will walk away with well over £250000 and probably over twice that much. I would take flack for a few months for those bucks especially if it wasn't the club I love.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 07:48:33 PM
I don't feel sorry for Irvine at all. Even if he was sacked after 6 games he will walk away with well over £250000 and probably over twice that much. I would take flack for a few months for those bucks especially if it wasn't the club I love.


Neither do i.he wont know whats hit him if we start poorly, he could have said no.Burton should shoulder some of the blame if it doesnt work out
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on June 16, 2014, 07:51:42 PM
Pass on that one.
Where have I said or intimated that?

 ::) I'm not going to connect the dots for you.


A calculated gamble, if WBA go down, I'll guarantee you JP's salary won't, and if he or one of his little bum chums wanna come on here and tell me different then fine.

Yes, but from what I know about his personal fortune, which is admittedly not definitive, his WBA shares must make up a very large part of it. A Premier League club is much more valuable than a Championship club. Relegation would inflict a paper loss on those shares far greater than his annual salary or any savings gained by hiring Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 16, 2014, 07:57:08 PM
Yes, but from what I know about his personal fortune, which is admittedly not definitive, his WBA shares must make up a very large part of it. A Premier League club is much more valuable than a Championship club. Relegation would inflict a paper loss on those shares far greater than his annual salary or any savings gained by hiring Irvine.
If you were a multi millionaire and owned any club but ours would you care if the club went down. People do sometimes reach a point with their wealth where they are satisfied and become complacent over if they have £50 £60 or whatever and if we went down the owner will still have more a lot of money.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on June 16, 2014, 08:00:27 PM
Yes, but from what I know about his personal fortune, which is admittedly not definitive, his WBA shares must make up a very large part of it. A Premier League club is much more valuable than a Championship club. Relegation would inflict a paper loss on those shares far greater than his annual salary or any savings gained by hiring Irvine.

Well, I would imagine WBA the championship club, is a far easier sell than WBA the Premier League club, considering the liabilities of being in each respective divbision. if we believe what we are told the Albion is worth around £125m, lets say we go down and half of that figure becomes to 'true value of WBA' 75% of that ain't a bad return for somebody that has risked absolutely zero of his own cash

Apologies for the spelling
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on June 16, 2014, 08:07:50 PM
If you were a multi millionaire and owned any club but ours would you care if the club went down. People do sometimes reach a point with their wealth where they are satisfied and become complacent over if they have £50 £60 or whatever and if we went down the owner will still have more a lot of money.

Point taken, but that doesn't mean I would try to make it happen.


Well, I would imagine WBA the championship club, is a far easier sell than WBA the Premier League club, considering the liabilities of being in each respective divbision. if we believe what we are told the Albion is worth around £125m, lets say we go down and half of that figure becomes to 'true value of WBA' 75% of that ain't a bad return for somebody that has risked absolutely zero of his own cash

If he's that desperate to sell, why wouldn't he offer it right now for half-price and just skip the relegation part?


Apologies for the spelling

No problem. I know everyone is very angry; thank you for having a civil discussion with me about the matter.  :)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on June 16, 2014, 08:09:49 PM
Point taken, but that doesn't mean I would try to make it happen.


If he's that desperate to sell, why wouldn't he offer it right now for half-price and just skip the relegation part?

I thought that is/was exactly what he is doing.

I know I go wonky from time to time, no offence meant to anybody, and apologies if I have.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on June 16, 2014, 08:12:38 PM
I thought that is/was exactly what he is doing.

I'm not sure I follow you. Do you mean you think he wants to sell or thinks he can sell the club for exactly the same price, regardless of division?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 16, 2014, 08:16:53 PM
Franksie tonight on WM (for so called balance) kept saying to all the criticism of the appointment of Ivirne "well what if Albion win their first 3 games what will you think of the coach then"? Well we wont win the first 3 games. We will be  lucky if we win 3 games all season. I can see it now first game at home we go 1-0 down. The chants of peace out begin. At 3-0 down there is a mass walk out like at the end of the season game. Then repeat the same scenario at the next game until after 6 home games he is sacked. God only knows what then. Nothing will change while we have the owner we have. Again Franksie made my blood boil saying "be careful what you wish for". Well I wish for a place in the premier league with some modest ambition not 8th every season just some pride in our club for the way we try and play. Like Swansea Stoke Hull Crystal Palace Southampton to name a few . Are they all bigger clubs than us? Why can t we have their ambition we have very similar Turnover and wages (and if you don't believe that look at this http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/01/premier-league-accounts-club-by-club-david-conn) And if you do look for one of the highest paid directors in the premier league. See if it marries up with the lowest PAID MANAGER IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE YES YOU GUESSED IT IRVINE. I hope sometime soon I can stop feeling so angry and have some hope for the club I love.

I absolutely love this post. Why shouldn't we have ambition? Why shouldn't we be playing for a finish around or just outside the top ten spot? Seriously, apart from the big four (that pretty much now is the big six!) we should have every expectation to be there or thereabouts.

Stating the obvious but we need an owner with AMBITION and hunger. Sensible practice I admire, but there is no room for complacency in football.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiedave on June 16, 2014, 08:18:55 PM
Had we been a league 1 side, the appointment of Alan Irvine i feel would have been a good one. However we are premiership. Why would you take the club backwards. To dismantle a team inside 2 seasons, after 24 years of hard graft, and planning to produce a quality premiership side, to which we were 2 seasons ago, is absolutley appauling. How can a team just promoted as champions from league 1, Wolves, have better coach than us who are in the premiership, is just beyond me. I would have preffered Kenny Jacket, than Alan Irvine. Jeremy should stand back and take a good hard look at this latest debarcle. Out of all the available guys with premier exxperience, why would you go for Irvine?. How can we now possibly attract at least 9 quality players, that we so desperately need to survive next season?.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 08:19:47 PM
Had we been a league 1 side, the appointment of Alan Irvine i feel would have been a good one. However we are premiership. Why would you take the club backwards. To dismantle a team inside 2 seasons, after 24 years of hard graft, and planning to produce a quality premiership side, to which we were 2 seasons ago, is absolutley appauling. How can a team just promoted as champions from league 1, Wolves, have better coach than us who are in the premiership, is just beyond me. I would have preffered Kenny Jacket, than Alan Irvine. Jeremy should stand back and take a good hard look at this latest debarcle. Out of all the available guys with premier exxperience, why would you go for Irvine?. How can we now possibly attract at least 9 quality players, that we so desperately need to survive next season?.



Dave hes failed in league one
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on June 16, 2014, 08:20:38 PM
I'm not sure I follow you. Do you mean you think he wants to sell or thinks he can sell the club for exactly the same price, regardless of division?

Presently, £125m is a number on a balance sheet, I don't think that anybody, would have the means to buy us at that price.

We have assets, and liabilities, JP has pretty much maximised our assets, in bricks and mortar, properties, such as the training facilities etc, and now he is minimising our liabilities, such as playing staff. It is my view, that the hay is being made whilst the sun shines, and, because £125m is just a figure, it is my view that yes, absolutely, he would take £60mill tomorrow.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 16, 2014, 08:24:28 PM
Presently, £125m is a number on a balance sheet, I don't think that anybody, would have the means to buy us at that price.

We have assets, and liabilities, JP has pretty much maximised our assets, in bricks and mortar, properties, such as the training facilities etc, and now he is minimising our liabilities, such as playing staff. It is my view, that the hay is being made whilst the sun shines, and, because £125m is just a figure, it is my view that yes, absolutely, he would take £60mill tomorrow.

Wow - get 20,000 of us together to stump up three grand then  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on June 16, 2014, 08:26:05 PM
Wow - get 20,000 of us together to stump up three grand then  ;)

Maybe that's the direction we need to go in as a club and as a fan base.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on June 16, 2014, 08:26:28 PM
 i thought 40 million was the price bandied about when he supposedly put us up for sale a couple of years ago
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 08:28:05 PM
If we all save our season ticket money for the next 5 years we should be able to see him off
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on June 16, 2014, 08:28:29 PM
Wow - get 20,000 of us together to stump up three grand then  ;)

Good luck with that ;-)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 16, 2014, 08:29:12 PM
i thought 40 million was the price bandied about when he supposedly put us up for sale a couple of years ago

Even better that's just 2k each. Not sure if I'm being serious here.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on June 16, 2014, 08:31:12 PM
Presently, £125m is a number on a balance sheet, I don't think that anybody, would have the means to buy us at that price.

We have assets, and liabilities, JP has pretty much maximised our assets, in bricks and mortar, properties, such as the training facilities etc, and now he is minimising our liabilities, such as playing staff. It is my view, that the hay is being made whilst the sun shines, and, because £125m is just a figure, it is my view that yes, absolutely, he would take £60mill tomorrow.

If no-one would buy the club for £125m, then it isn't worth £125m. Like anything else, the club is worth exactly what the market will pay for it. That said, I still don't see how being in the Championship would cause the club to be more attractive to a buyer or induce him to pay more for it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on June 16, 2014, 08:33:07 PM
I we now know the real reason that Sherwood turned it down is that he wanted his own coaches in and to dispense with Pinky and Perky. We are the only club that when the head coach/manager is replaced we still keep on the rest of the coaching staff that were responsible of failing with that head coach.
Absolutely correct. We would have to (and have) go a huge way down the list of people interested in the job before finding someone who didn't want to bring in his own team that he knows and trusts. To insist on keeping the gruesome twosome isn't loyalty, it is stupidity because it is an unreasonable demand for any top coach/manager. Only the desperate would even consider it, so what we end up with is the pick of the desperates, though I don't even think we chose right from them.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 16, 2014, 08:36:15 PM
What you COULD do, were you of a devious nature, you could run the club down so much over six months that you suddenly end up with some very cheap shares you could buy. Then once you'd got what you needed to go to plan B, you could just do enough to make sure the club retains its Prem status. Then sell.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: royhan on June 16, 2014, 08:37:44 PM
Does anyone know when the long-awaited press conference with Irvine is? When it does happen I hope our journos make it abundantly clear what the majority of fans appear to think about his appointment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on June 16, 2014, 08:38:17 PM
If no-one would buy the club for £125m, then it isn't worth £125m. Like anything else, the club is worth exactly what the market will pay for it. That said, I still don't see how being in the Championship would cause the club to be more attractive to a buyer or induce him to pay more for it.

If you look at it like buying shares in a company, you wouldn't buy them at top dollar, WBA's stock is probably around 90% of it's potential, to increase that, would take a degree of risk, so if a share is worth say £100, why would you risk that to make £10?

If you buy at a reduced price, then the earning potential is much greater.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on June 16, 2014, 08:41:09 PM
Does anyone know when the long-awaited press conference with Irvine is? When it does happen I hope our journos make it abundantly clear what the majority of fans appear to think about his appointment.

Half time of the England match.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 08:42:22 PM
Half time of the England match.


Didnt i hear it was Wednesday
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on June 16, 2014, 08:43:33 PM

Didnt i hear it was Wednesday

Maybe mate, just what a friend told me.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on June 16, 2014, 08:43:50 PM
What you COULD do, were you of a devious nature, you could run the club down so much over six months that you suddenly end up with some very cheap shares you could buy. Then once you'd got what you needed to go to plan B, you could just do enough to make sure the club retains its Prem status. Then sell.

If Peace is clever enough to manage that, we need to keep him at all costs.  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: charliemike on June 16, 2014, 08:44:06 PM
All the years we have been carefull, no one has come in for us . We now have I believe 9500 shares and he is looking to buy a few off fans at 3000 each . This would value the club at 28.5 million . We can state clearly that doesn't look a fair figure . Even if we go down we have parachute payments for 4 years. Plus players could be sold off . 60 million could still be looked at a low figure . But it ain't bad considering he hasn't spent much of his own money is it .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kirk on June 16, 2014, 08:51:40 PM
All the years we have been carefull, no one has come in for us . We now have I believe 9500 shares and he is looking to buy a few off fans at 3000 each . This would value the club at 28.5 million . We can state clearly that doesn't look a fair figure . Even if we go down we have parachute payments for 4 years. Plus players could be sold off . 60 million could still be looked at a low figure . But it ain't bad considering he hasn't spent much of his own money is it .

He hasn't spent a penny of his own money since he has been here
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 16, 2014, 08:55:22 PM
Does anyone know when the long-awaited press conference with Irvine is? When it does happen I hope our journos make it abundantly clear what the majority of fans appear to think about his appointment.

Wednesday 12:00pm Press Conference.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on June 16, 2014, 08:55:55 PM
If you look at it like buying shares in a company, you wouldn't buy them at top dollar, WBA's stock is probably around 90% of it's potential, to increase that, would take a degree of risk, so if a share is worth say £100, why would you risk that to make £10?

If you buy at a reduced price, then the earning potential is much greater.

If your point is that things which cost less are more desirable, I can hardly disagree.  :P

But Peace doesn't have to make the club less valuable to accept less money for it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Gilsey 56 on June 16, 2014, 08:56:57 PM
Just listened to Burton on Tom Ross defending Irvines Appointment and he did not do a very good job.
When he was asked about bringing in top quality players he paused for quite a while.
I hope I can move on but I am struggling at the moment perhaps a good 100k signing might help from Preston.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on June 16, 2014, 09:03:50 PM
If your point is that things which cost less are more desirable, I can hardly disagree.  :P

But Peace doesn't have to make the club less valuable to accept less money for it.

Again Quakes, what he has done, brilliantly well, is make the club as valuable as it is. by reducing liabilities, your not devaluing the club, your increasing it's earning potential.

Would you prefer £100 if it cost you £99 to earn it? or would you prefer £10 that cost £1 to earn it?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 16, 2014, 09:04:28 PM
Just listened to Burton on Tom Ross defending Irvines Appointment and he did not do a very good job.
When he was asked about bringing in top quality players he paused for quite a while.
I hope I can move on but I am struggling at the moment perhaps a good 100k signing might help from Preston.

http://www.freeradio.co.uk/news/sport/burton-on-irvine-appointment/?region=blackcountry&region=birmingham

For anyone who wants to listen to Terry Burton on Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on June 16, 2014, 09:04:42 PM
Just listened to Burton on Tom Ross defending Irvines Appointment and he did not do a very good job.
When he was asked about bringing in top quality players he paused for quite a while.
I hope I can move on but I am struggling at the moment perhaps a good 100k signing might help from Preston.
When have we ever discussed our targets in public before they have signed?  Kalou? That went well (and was no doubt part of the reason for our dismal recruitment and the sacking of Clarke)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 16, 2014, 09:09:35 PM
Alan Irvine on Anichebe a long while ago :D

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11671/2401383/irvine-victor-can-be-next-drog

Everton assistant Alan Irvine believes Victor Anichebe could one day be as good as Chelsea striker Didier Drogba.

Let see if Irvine can coach it into him :-X
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 16, 2014, 09:10:27 PM
http://www.freeradio.co.uk/news/sport/burton-on-irvine-appointment/?region=blackcountry&region=birmingham

For anyone who wants to listen to Terry Burton on Irvine.
He didn't inspire me one little bit. I was hoping for a something but I have to let go of any hope for now and for this upcoming season. We are going down. I am so furious with myself for renewing. If I hadn't I wouldn't have after this appointment.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on June 16, 2014, 09:19:32 PM
Alan Irvine on Anichebe a long while ago :D

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11671/2401383/irvine-victor-can-be-next-drog

Everton assistant Alan Irvine believes Victor Anichebe could one day be as good as Chelsea striker Didier Drogba.

Let see if Irvine can coach it into him :-X

Embarrassing! 

Shola Ameobi has just come on for Nigeria by the way. He'd form a lethal partnership with Anichebe plus he's on a free. Go get him JP.  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 16, 2014, 09:24:04 PM
http://www.freeradio.co.uk/news/sport/burton-on-irvine-appointment/?region=blackcountry&region=birmingham

For anyone who wants to listen to Terry Burton on Irvine.
They couldn't understand why we are also mad with the appointment. I just kept screaming at the radio even at my beloved Bomber. He and Tom Ross kept saying it will all depend on what players we bring in. BUT WE ALL KNOW AS ALBION FANS WE WONT BRING IN GOOD PLAYERS. We know now that the appointment of Irvine is a sign of the quality of players we will buy. At what point are we right in Bombers and Toms opinion to be as furious as we are now. Will they agree when they see the players that come in? Why can't they see what we know?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Gilsey 56 on June 16, 2014, 09:25:15 PM
Sorry for the  negative post VVV but I don't normally do negative, but at the moment I am wondering around the house trying to make sense of it all.
 
I hope I am on here in twelve months holding my hand up .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: charliemike on June 16, 2014, 09:25:57 PM
All the fans can do now is wait and see . The new bloke is in and many aren't pleased but it's still our club . Get behind them and keep yeah fingers crossed .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on June 16, 2014, 09:30:05 PM
Alan Irvine on Anichebe a long while ago :D

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11671/2401383/irvine-victor-can-be-next-drog

Everton assistant Alan Irvine believes Victor Anichebe could one day be as good as Chelsea striker Didier Drogba.

Let see if Irvine can coach it into him :-X

Dragging up quotes from 2006, nice.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 16, 2014, 09:31:22 PM
Embarrassing! 

Shola Ameobi has just come on for Nigeria by the way. He'd form a lethal partnership with Anichebe plus he's on a free. Go get him JP.  ;D
And now they have bought on some bloke called Odemwingie remember him?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 16, 2014, 09:33:20 PM
And now they have bought on some bloke called Odemwingie remember him?

I've thought recently that his acidic comments in the past might be due to a very unhappy camp. Not justifying him, but, ya know...??
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 16, 2014, 09:35:09 PM
All the fans can do now is wait and see . The new bloke is in and many aren't pleased but it's still our club . Get behind them and keep yeah fingers crossed .
Fingers crossed we don't see scenes of Albion supporters fighting with each other when we start losing. Some getting angry at others saying "support the team" "stop booing get behind the lads" I can see the whole ugly mess of a season in front of us. Tom Ross is living in cloud cukoo land if he thinks we will bring in top players. Its just not going to happen. This appointment tells us that. Cheap that's the guide not quality.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 16, 2014, 09:37:37 PM
I see according to Pat Frost, Roy Hodgson says Alan Irvine is a "great coach".

Still, everyone on here probably knows better than the England manager so I suppose AI must just rubbish like they all say.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on June 16, 2014, 09:44:56 PM
I see according to Pat Frost, Roy Hodgson says Alan Irvine is a "great coach".

Still, everyone on here probably knows better than the England manager so I suppose AI must just rubbish like they all say.

No need to speculate, you'll find out in a few months and I can almost guarantee that what they all say is indeed right. Roy is too much of a gentleman to say anything else, as you well know.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: botters on June 16, 2014, 09:46:11 PM
This has nothing to do with Irvine's coaching ability it is to do with his lack of management experience in the Premier League and JP's penny pinching decision to give the job to someone who the vast majority of supporters feel is not going to give us the fresh impetus the club needs particularly as he is happy to work with two of the previous two head coaches failed back room staff.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dudleylad on June 16, 2014, 09:46:44 PM
To be fair Roy also said the same to Wolves about Solbakken ;D.

Seriously I do see your point though I think Hodgson has perhaps advised both Burton and Peace on the candidates because it was reported last week he had also recommended Sherwood aswell.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Aixelsyd on June 16, 2014, 09:48:05 PM
Sorry but what Premier League quality player is seriously going to come to a club that now has "hopeless relegation fodder" written all over it by this appointment.

I've been a big JP supporter but not anymore :(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 16, 2014, 09:53:08 PM
No need to speculate, you'll find out in a few months and I can almost guarantee that what they all say is indeed right. Roy is too much of a gentleman to say anything else, as you well know.

You're right, and as I have said before, until he proves himself the useless idiot people say I will give him the benefit of the doubt and the opportunity to prove otherwise.

One other thing. I have been watching Albion a long, long time and I have yet to see anyone, player, coach, manager, referee...anyone at all improve their performance as a response to being abused.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on June 16, 2014, 09:57:57 PM
Alan Irvine on Anichebe a long while ago :D

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11671/2401383/irvine-victor-can-be-next-drog

Everton assistant Alan Irvine believes Victor Anichebe could one day be as good as Chelsea striker Didier Drogba.

Let see if Irvine can coach it into him :-X
Forgive me but wasn't Irvine a coach at Everton when Big Vic was a kid, so he failed to get Vic to achieve & Everton flogged him.  Not a great vindication of AI's success is it?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on June 16, 2014, 10:01:28 PM
You're right, and as I have said before, until he proves himself the useless idiot people say I will give him the benefit of the doubt and the opportunity to prove otherwise.

One other thing. I have been watching Albion a long, long time and I have yet to see anyone, player, coach, manager, referee...anyone at all improve their performance as a response to being abused.

You are clearly a very nice person.
But I haven't read a post yet that called him a stupid idiot, so it doesn't help your credibility any to make things up
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on June 16, 2014, 10:03:38 PM
.........or even useless idiot, sorry Freudian slip
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 16, 2014, 10:04:31 PM
You are clearly a very nice person.
But I haven't read a post yet that called him a stupid idiot, so it doesn't help your credibility any to make things up

As you'll note, I didn't quote anyone and was simply paraphrasing the general sentiment bring expressed by a large number of posters.

Sorry if I offended your pedantic sensibilities though I imagine you'll live.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 16, 2014, 10:06:13 PM
...or even summarising the general sentiment, sorry grammatical slip
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bagstaff on June 16, 2014, 10:10:12 PM
Forgive me but wasn't Irvine a coach at Everton when Big Vic was a kid, so he failed to get Vic to achieve & Everton flogged him.  Not a great vindication of AI's success is it?

Don't know - he turned him from a kid to a £6m player allegedly!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 16, 2014, 10:10:20 PM
Forgive me but wasn't Irvine a coach at Everton when Big Vic was a kid, so he failed to get Vic to achieve & Everton flogged him.  Not a great vindication of AI's success is it?

He was also responsible for spilling tea on the chairmans new rug, he forgot to order toilet rolls for the staff toilets & one day he drove through a puddle & splashed mud on Moyes car, I'm sure he'll be accused of some further atrocities before the season starts.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on June 16, 2014, 10:11:29 PM
...or even summarising the general sentiment, sorry grammatical slip
I'm sure that the general sentiment is quite capable of summarising itself, without any outside help thank you
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on June 16, 2014, 10:15:15 PM
As you'll note, I didn't quote anyone and was simply paraphrasing the general sentiment bring expressed by a large number of posters.

Sorry if I offended your pedantic sensibilities though I imagine you'll live.
Just because you have posted a few more times than me and have supported the Albion since they were formed, there's no need to be sarcastic
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 16, 2014, 10:15:39 PM
I'm sure that the general sentiment is quite capable of summarising itself, without any outside help thank you

Do you refer to me as "outside"? If so, outside of what, and why?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbarenno on June 16, 2014, 10:16:36 PM
Forgive me but wasn't Irvine a coach at Everton when Big Vic was a kid, so he failed to get Vic to achieve & Everton flogged him.  Not a great vindication of AI's success is it?

And he was a bench warmer for the large majority of his everton career.

Yeah he really is the next drogba isnt he :-) if thats his opinions on players then god help us. Anichebe is just a more expensive fortune!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on June 16, 2014, 10:17:30 PM
I do think Irvine, is unfortunate to walk into this,,, this, I'll say it ****! but as previous posters have put, nothing to do with him, all to do with the policy of the club and it's governance, we are falling out with each other, good!! proves we give a monkeys, I'm sure nobody wants or expects it to turn into fisticuffs, we're all grown ups, but stuff has to happen, this situation has to be reversed.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 16, 2014, 10:17:40 PM
Just because you have posted a few more times than me and have supported the Albion since they were formed, there's no need to be sarcastic

Oh dear, you are offended, and yet you thought to accuse me of making things up. I imagine you felt that an entirely benign comment?

Not since the club was formed as it happens, just a long, long time.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 16, 2014, 10:18:15 PM
http://www.freeradio.co.uk/news/sport/burton-on-irvine-appointment/?region=blackcountry&region=birmingham

For anyone who wants to listen to Terry Burton on Irvine.
This was pretty underwhelming to my mind, not helped by Tom Ross's pathetically fawning attitude, who was more interested sucking up to Burton than properly representing the view of the majority of the fans.

It was quite funny how Burton referred to Irvine as the "manager" and then nearly did so again before managing to correct it to "head coach".
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: viaductbaggies on June 16, 2014, 10:18:55 PM
http://www.freeradio.co.uk/news/sport/burton-on-irvine-appointment/?region=birmingham&region=blackcountry
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on June 16, 2014, 10:20:16 PM
You're right, and as I have said before, until he proves himself the useless idiot people say I will give him the benefit of the doubt and the opportunity to prove otherwise.

One other thing. I have been watching Albion a long, long time and I have yet to see anyone, player, coach, manager, referee...anyone at all improve their performance as a response to being abused.

that's odd because ive seen loads of players at the albion get abuse and then give great performances
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 16, 2014, 10:22:01 PM
that's odd because ive seen loads of players at the albion get abuse and then give great performances

As I say, I haven't. My experience is that people being abused go into their shells and withdraw. But if you think differently that's up to you.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on June 16, 2014, 10:27:36 PM
As I say, I haven't. My experience is that people being abused go into their shells and withdraw. But if you think differently that's up to you.

its not what I think its what ive seen ,some players have thrived on abuse and used it to spur them on. one of the worlds most iconic footballers had years of abuse and became a brilliant player ie david beckham
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 16, 2014, 10:28:26 PM
As you'll note, I didn't quote anyone and was simply paraphrasing the general sentiment bring expressed by a large number of posters.

Sorry if I offended your pedantic sensibilities though I imagine you'll live.
Listen I don't think you quite get it. It wouldn't matter if we sang we loved the man and the club from 2.30 to 5.00pm on match day from the stands. We will go down next season with the quality of the players and coaching staff we will have by the beginning of the season. And as for Irvine I don't feel sorry for him in any way. Do you really think he cares about West Bromwich Albion. Or do you think the £250000 - £500000 salary he will collect even if he is sacked after losing our first 6 games had something to do with him saying yes to being our manager. Yes he will carry the can for the clubs penny pinching and lack of ambition but that's up to him. I would swap places with him for all the pressure he is about to be under for that money as long as it wasn't to manage my club, knowing in my heart I haven't a chance of avoiding relegation with what I will have to work with. Albion is my club its just another cone to him who are willing to pay him a lot of money whatever happens. I will still be supporting them when he is sunning himself in January at his holiday villa.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on June 16, 2014, 10:29:43 PM
Do you refer to me as "outside"? If so, outside of what, and why?
Outside of what most of us seem to be thinking. Which doesn't make you necessarily wrong, though I think you'll come round given a little time
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 16, 2014, 10:31:11 PM
its not what I think its what ive seen ,some players have thrived on abuse and used it to spur them on. one of the worlds most iconic footballers had years of abuse and became a brilliant player ie david beckham

Well, good point about Beckham yes, can't argue with that though I see him as exceptional rather than the general rule.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on June 16, 2014, 10:33:55 PM
Oh dear, you are offended, and yet you thought to accuse me of making things up. I imagine you felt that an entirely benign comment?

Not since the club was formed as it happens, just a long, long time.

Hahaha, nah it takes a lot worse than a bit of banter to offend me. You have to be thick skinned to support the Albion, as you will surely know, having supported them for soooooooooooo long
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 16, 2014, 10:37:43 PM
Outside of what most of us seem to be thinking. Which doesn't make you necessarily wrong, though I think you'll come round given a little time

No, I'm not necessarily wrong as all I have said is give the man a chance before vilifying him and I don't really see how that can be argued with. So far he has not lost a match, got any tactics wrong, picked a player out of position...he hasn't even started and has been slated. So no, I'm not necessarily wrong in asking for a chance for him to prove you all right...or wrong.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on June 16, 2014, 10:41:01 PM
Well, good point about Beckham yes, can't argue with that though I see him as exceptional rather than the general rule.

I agree most players do suffer with abuse but some thrive on it,remember the young lad who played left back for albion on his debut I think it was (sorry I cant recall his name) got slaughtered by albion fans and was never seen again. then theres tatter bull who got loads of abuse and loved it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 16, 2014, 10:41:47 PM
Listen I don't think you quite get it. It wouldn't matter if we sang we loved the man and the club from 2.30 to 5.00pm on match day from the stands. We will go down next season with the quality of the players and coaching staff we will have by the beginning of the season. And as for Irvine I don't feel sorry for him in any way. Do you really think he cares about West Bromwich Albion. Or do you think the £250000 - £500000 salary he will collect even if he is sacked after losing our first 6 games had something to do with him saying yes to being our manager. Yes he will carry the can for the clubs penny pinching and lack of ambition but that's up to him. I would swap places with him for all the pressure he is about to be under for that money as long as it wasn't to manage my club, knowing in my heart I haven't a chance of avoiding relegation with what I will have to work with. Albion is my club its just another cone to him who are willing to pay him a lot of money whatever happens. I will still be supporting them when he is sunning himself in January at his holiday villa.

Bry I don't think you have read my posts, or at least if you have I haven't made myself clear. I was as surprised as the next man by his appointment however he hasn't actually even started and folks are haranguing him and giving him all sorts.

My view is that is unfair and unnecessary, the man is in post, wait and see what happens. If it's all as catastrophic as people seem to think it will be then fine, say whatever but at least let him have a match or two before condemning him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 16, 2014, 10:43:17 PM
I agree most players do suffer with abuse but some thrive on it,remember the young lad who played left back for albion on his debut I think it was (sorry I cant recall his name) got slaughtered by albion fans and was never seen again. then theres tatter bull who got loads of abuse and loved it.

To be fair I don't agree with abusing opposition players for exactly the Bull reason, some thrive on abuse from enemy fans. Collymoore was another.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: timdon on June 16, 2014, 10:44:56 PM
No, I'm not necessarily wrong as all I have said is give the man a chance before vilifying him and I don't really see how that can be argued with. So far he has not lost a match, got any tactics wrong, picked a player out of position...he hasn't even started and has been slated. So no, I'm not necessarily wrong in asking for a chance for him to prove you all right...or wrong.

Ok, fair enough, but just for the record, what is your opinion? Do you think he is a good appointment or not? Do you think he will keep us up next season or not?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 16, 2014, 10:46:30 PM
Hahaha, nah it takes a lot worse than a bit of banter to offend me. You have to be thick skinned to support the Albion, as you will surely know, having supported them for soooooooooooo long

Was that intended to be sarcastic?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 16, 2014, 10:47:53 PM
Bry I don't think you have read my posts, or at least if you have I haven't made myself clear. I was as surprised as the next man by his appointment however he hasn't actually even started and folks are haranguing him and giving him all sorts.

My view is that is unfair and unnecessary, the man is in post, wait and see what happens. If it's all as catastrophic as people seem to think it will be then fine, say whatever but at least let him have a match or two before condemning him.
That's the whole point if the majority of us are right it isn't FINE. I will have no solace in telling you next year I was right and won't have the will to bother.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Baggies on June 16, 2014, 10:48:51 PM
http://www.freeradio.co.uk/news/sport/burton-on-irvine-appointment/?region=birmingham&region=blackcountry

Tom Ross's interviewing was very weak there. He had a chance to be the first to ask the big questions that really need to be answered (and surely will be asked on Wednesday) but he bottled it.

Where were the questions regarding Irvine's past record in management and the gamble in believing he has now improved enough to go from a 3rd division failure to a top division success? Where were the questions about Tim Sherwood apparently being offered the job and subsequently turning it down? (something I know is probably a lot less straightforward than Sherwood would have you believe). Where were the questions about the future and what our plans are now? Where even were the questions, whether it's Burton's remit or not, about how they are going to get the fans back on side after the biggest fan revolt since the 1990's?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: z0011 on June 16, 2014, 10:51:10 PM
For want of a nail the shoe was lost,
for want of a shoe the horse was lost,
for want of a horse the knight was lost,
for want of a knight the battle was lost,
for want of a battle the kingdom was lost.
So a kingdom was lost—all for want of a nail.

Dear JP,

Please can you spend next season, don’t let US the supporters down. We at WEST BROM are kind of special, we have put up with a lot recently, in fact ever since I can remember when I started supporting my club (since 1978).  We want to see our club become the club it deserves to be, to be a great club, full of dreams that come true. Please can we have a manager that can inspire and manage greatness, can we have players that will deliver greatness and never give up. All we want from you is to give the club a chance to succeed and be the best it can possibility be.

 :(What is it that you want? If you are fed up, then please sell, take what is offered, I am sure you will get your money back and a lot more. Please sell to someone with passion, who loves football for what it gives – HOPE and Passion.  Look around you and see other clubs owners investing and believing in their investment, their football team.  They believe, why can’t you?  :(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: alex1 on June 16, 2014, 10:54:21 PM
Seen a few posts from Everton fans defending Irvine and saying how important he was in their Academy.  If a couple came on here and said quite truthfully they would have been more than happy for him to have filled the Manager vacancy left by Moyes, then I would have a little more respect for their views. Somehow, I don't think it's going to happen.
Also, does anyone know if Moyes tried to take Irvine with him as Assistant to Old Trafford? If not, that tells you a bit more about his capability of managing at Premier League level.

I also read a list of players he signed for Sheffield Wednesday and Preston. I can't say I'd heard of one.

Another thing that's important to me as an Albion fan is the type of football we will be playing. I just hope its not going to be a rigid formation based on containing the opponent and nothing else. I'm hoping there may be a place for some flair and attacking entertaining football. Based on what I've heard , I may be disappointed.

I will give him a SHORT period of time to prove me wrong. but by then the damage will probably have been done for the season.  And if relegation follows, the club may be in the doldrums for years to come.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 16, 2014, 10:55:02 PM
Ok, fair enough, but just for the record, what is your opinion? Do you think he is a good appointment or not? Do you think he will keep us up next season or not?

If you check back you'll see on the original thread, once Mel had gone, which I felt to be a huge mistake, then Paul Clement would have been my choice.

As you say, for the record, I was against Sherwood from the moment he was first linked while Pepe was still here and do not consider it any kind of loss that he wasn't appointed.

Irvine wouldn't have been my choice, he wasn't on my radar and when his name came up last week I assumed it was a couple of punters betting long odds that had put it there. I was as shocked as the next man when I saw on Twitter that he had been appointed.

Relegation? I don't know. The odds prior to his appointment were 3/1 and to be honest given how many players we need I think whoever was in charge would have a massive job keeping us up particularly when you consider that the club finishing 17th has been relegated the following year in three of the last four seasons.

If we go down I won't be surprised whoever is in charge come the end of the season.

However I renewed my ticket and won't be asking for a refund as it's Albion I love, not JP, not the players, not the coach, it's Albion I love and Albion I believe in.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 16, 2014, 10:55:33 PM
For want of a nail the shoe was lost,
for want of a shoe the horse was lost,
for want of a horse the knight was lost,
for want of a knight the battle was lost,
for want of a battle the kingdom was lost.
So a kingdom was lost—all for want of a nail.

Dear JP,

Please can you spend next season, don’t let US the supporters down. We at WEST BROM are kind of special, we have put up with a lot recently, in fact ever since I can remember when I started supporting my club (since 1978).  We want to see our club become the club it deserves to be, to be a great club, full of dreams that come true. Please can we have a manager that can inspire and manage greatness, can we have players that will deliver greatness and never give up. All we want from you is to give the club a chance to succeed and be the best it can possibility be.

 :(What is it that you want? If you are fed up, then please sell, take what is offered, I am sure you will get your money back and a lot more. Please sell to someone with passion, who loves football for what it gives – HOPE and Passion.  Look around you and see other clubs owners investing and believing in their investment, their football team.  They believe, why can’t you?  :(
Very very well said!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on June 16, 2014, 10:59:34 PM
Bry I don't think you have read my posts, or at least if you have I haven't made myself clear. I was as surprised as the next man by his appointment however he hasn't actually even started and folks are haranguing him and giving him all sorts.

My view is that is unfair and unnecessary, the man is in post, wait and see what happens. If it's all as catastrophic as people seem to think it will be then fine, say whatever but at least let him have a match or two before condemning him.

tbf to Chipper (sorry if i have got this wrong mate), I think whilst it appears to be crystal Irvine is the wrong choice at this moment in time, we have what we have, and we need to back him. like it, lump it, it is what it is, take your choices.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 16, 2014, 11:01:13 PM
tbf to Chipper (sorry if i have got this wrong mate), I think whilst it appears to be crystal Irvine is the wrong choice at this moment in time, we have what we have, and we need to back him. like it, lump it, it is what it is, take your choices.

Neat summary Jim
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 16, 2014, 11:02:46 PM
tbf to Chipper (sorry if i have got this wrong mate), I think whilst it appears to be crystal Irvine is the wrong choice at this moment in time, we have what we have, and we need to back him. like it, lump it, it is what it is, take your choices.
How ? Its like buying a ticket to sail on the Titanic knowing what is going to happen. Please tell me how to back him!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on June 16, 2014, 11:07:35 PM
By backing him you are backing the decision to appoint him and the people responsible for his appointment. >:( >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on June 16, 2014, 11:12:20 PM
By backing him you are backing the decision to appoint him and the people responsible for his appointment. >:( >:(

And again giving the thumbs up to Peace to let him do exactly as he pleases.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on June 16, 2014, 11:16:43 PM
How ? Its like buying a ticket to sail on the Titanic knowing what is going to happen. Please tell me how to back him!

Because he's in charge! I don't like it Bry, I 10000 million % dis-agree with it, but, ho hum, what can we do? and as Chipper said, the poor bloke has walked into a tornado, would you take a top Premier league job if it was offered to you? I would! the real question should be why Irvine was considered in the first place, and who exactly thought it was a good idea.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on June 16, 2014, 11:18:49 PM
And again giving the thumbs up to Peace to let him do exactly as he pleases.

but how is that Irvings fault? I agree with you totally, but I just feel your anger is directed at the wrong bod.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on June 16, 2014, 11:19:01 PM
I wonder what people's reactions would have been if we appointed Alain Irvinho from the youth academy of Valencia who had two poor stints as a manager at say Zaragoza and Mallorca
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 16, 2014, 11:21:47 PM
but how is that Irvings fault? I agree with you totally, but I just feel your anger is directed at the wrong bod.

Spot on Jim.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 16, 2014, 11:22:27 PM
Because he's in charge! I don't like it Bry, I 10000 million % dis-agree with it, but, ho hum, what can we do? and as Chipper said, the poor bloke has walked into a tornado, would you take a top Premier league job if it was offered to you? I would! the real question should be why Irvine was considered in the first place, and who exactly thought it was a good idea.
look when we are losing our first and second and third game at home I will be singing Peace out not Irvine out.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on June 16, 2014, 11:24:09 PM
look when we are losing our first and second and third game at home I will be singing Peace out not Irvine out.

I'll be joining you mate!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 16, 2014, 11:26:40 PM
Tom Ross's interviewing was very weak there. He had a chance to be the first to ask the big questions that really need to be answered (and surely will be asked on Wednesday) but he bottled it.

Where were the questions regarding Irvine's past record in management and the gamble in believing he has now improved enough to go from a 3rd division failure to a top division success? Where were the questions about Tim Sherwood apparently being offered the job and subsequently turning it down? (something I know is probably a lot less straightforward than Sherwood would have you believe). Where were the questions about the future and what our plans are now? Where even were the questions, whether it's Burton's remit or not, about how they are going to get the fans back on side after the biggest fan revolt since the 1990's?
Yes, Ross was hopeless. He could also have asked about what style of play we were intedning to adopt, how many players we were looking  to sign etc etc.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: stubby on June 16, 2014, 11:31:39 PM
 As like many a life long supporter of W.B.A I have never felt so angry and horrified as to how our once proud club has descended into this laughingstock that we now see.The club is now very clearly broken from top to bottom and the fans' Oops sorry "CUSTOMERS" have never been so divided.This is clearly not going to go away when the season starts especially now with this controversial appointment of A.I but also the embarrassing things that have happened over the last year or so. Unhappy players leaving or wanting to leave' twitter abuse' racism' Drugs and of cause the disgraceful & disrespectful treatment of the Astle family. The list goes on and on. players of yesteryear must be truly ashamed and of what is happening to this once proud & respected club. Listening to Stoke City fans singing... " YOU LUCKY B******S YOU SHOULD HAVE GONE DOWN" on the last day of the season only reminded me of how far we have sunk' and yes they were right. Lets all hope for Mr Irvine's sake that he turns out to be the best coach ever' because if one thing is for sure he's going to need to be. For one reason or another the customers of West Bromwich Albion have had enough and will not stand by and watch the demise of our once great club. This could be a very long and painful season. Rant over.
PS Don't forget to rub our nose in it on Wednesday not only with our new head coach but also our new pinstripe strip and sponsorship of ALDI or LIDL
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Semaj Riatsila on June 16, 2014, 11:33:15 PM
My first post since the "Appointment"!

I'm still in absolute shock! My heart goes out to all my fellow Albion supporters (friends) whom I feel have been led up the garden path by JP's earlier comments leading up to the appointment. It does stink of delay tactics to get season tickets sales in and run down the cooling off period prior to the announcement.

I feel sick to the stomach!  I'm already not looking forward to the season and can only see a lack decent signings (it's not as if our head coach will attract top players hey?). I, although not a season ticket holder due to living in Australia have made the decision to not purchase a new kit for the kids and myself this year as a protest.

I can foresee the melt down we have on this site with bad signings and a terrible start to the season (so hope I'm wrong). My source of everything Albion whilst I've been here will be unbearable.

When I got into work yesterday. I told my work colleague whom is a massive Wednesday fan. He did not know whom we appointed. When I told him he just laughed and said "what the hell would Albion do that for? He would be nowhere on anyone's list!"

He did say "he was a good academy coach but as a head coach not at all". " his biggest problem whilst at Sheffield Wednesday was he would always look at the opponents strengths then play to those, even if SW were a much better team than the opposition. It often would not work and would be as boring as he'll".

I'm willing to give the guy a chance as he is certainly going to need it. But as for JP I think what he has done is despicable.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WestBromJim on June 16, 2014, 11:34:23 PM
As like many a life long supporter of W.B.A I have never felt so angry and horrified as to how our once proud club has descended into this laughingstock that we now see.The club is now very clearly broken from top to bottom and the fans' Oops sorry "CUSTOMERS" have never been so divided.This is clearly not going to go away when the season starts especially now with this controversial appointment of A.I but also the embarrassing things that have happened over the last year or so. Unhappy players leaving or wanting to leave' twitter abuse' racism' Drugs and of cause the disgraceful & disrespectful treatment of the Astle family. The list goes on and on. players of yesteryear must be truly ashamed and of what is happening to this once proud & respected club. Listening to Stoke City fans singing... " YOU LUCKY B******S YOU SHOULD HAVE GONE DOWN" on the last day of the season only reminded me of how far we have sunk' and yes they were right. Lets all hope for Mr Irvine's sake that he turns out to be the best coach ever' because if one thing is for sure he's going to need to be. For one reason or another the customers of West Bromwich Albion have had enough and will not stand by and watch the demise of our once great club. This could be a very long and painful season. Rant over.
PS Don't forget to rub our nose in it on Wednesday not only with our new head coach but also our new pinstripe strip and sponsorship of ALDI or LIDL


Tip my hat to yeah buddy, spot on
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 16, 2014, 11:34:51 PM
Welcome stubby. Your point about Albion fans being regarded as customers rather than supporters by the club is a good one. If that's how they want to regard us, then they shouldn't be surprised if we act more like ripped off customers than disgruntled supporters and, frankly, they deserve nothing else.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tommcneill on June 16, 2014, 11:37:43 PM
I agree most players do suffer with abuse but some thrive on it,remember the young lad who played left back for albion on his debut I think it was (sorry I cant recall his name) got slaughtered by albion fans and was never seen again. then theres tatter bull who got loads of abuse and loved it.

scott darton..

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: stubby on June 16, 2014, 11:48:26 PM
Welcome stubby. Your point about Albion fans being regarded as customers rather than supporters by the club is a good one. If that's how they want to regard us, then they shouldn't be surprised if we act more like ripped off customers than disgruntled supporters and, frankly, they deserve nothing else.

Thank you. my first post will hopefully post more as i get used to the site. thanks again.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: chipperclark on June 16, 2014, 11:53:31 PM
 ;D Just wondering if most of the squad will be hiring a bus and driving down to see car salesman Harry at QPR for a gig???

Maybe Odemwingie saw the writing on the wall 18 months ago.......we lambasted him for this??
Maybe he had a point....and maybe it wasn't all his fault?? :P
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 17, 2014, 06:36:49 AM
;D Just wondering if most of the squad will be hiring a bus and driving down to see car salesman Harry at QPR for a gig???

Maybe Odemwingie saw the writing on the wall 18 months ago.......we lambasted him for this??
Maybe he had a point....and maybe it wasn't all his fault?? :P


Think I've said similar somewhere; don't feel it was all the lad's fault now. He's still a bit of a knob though. All that said I wanted him to score when he came on for Nigeria last night.

Getting rid of him, not renewing Lukaku even for one year, getting rid of Long when we were SERIOUSLY short of ANY kind of striker... then not giving Pepe Mel a proper crack - our owner has a game plan - he can't be this stupid - something's going on we don't know about.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 17, 2014, 06:38:08 AM
I see according to Pat Frost, Roy Hodgson says Alan Irvine is a "great coach".

Still, everyone on here probably knows better than the England manager so I suppose AI must just rubbish like they all say.

To be fair, Roy is not likely to go on record and say that Irvine is pants is he?
All we can do is give him the benefit of the doubt, its not his fault he's been thrown into this cauldron. If he doesn't perform baldy just sacks him and puts Downing in charge again.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 17, 2014, 06:39:28 AM
Think I've said similar somewhere; don't feel it was all the lad's fault now. He's still a bit of a knob though. All that said I wanted him to score when he came on for Nigeria last night.

Getting rid of him, not renewing Lukaku even for one year, getting rid of Long when we were SERIOUSLY short of ANY kind of striker... then not giving Pepe Mel a proper crack - our owner has a game plan - he can't be this stupid - something's going on we don't know about.

When a situation is either a conspiracy or a cock up, generally it's a cock up going on.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: cornishbaggie on June 17, 2014, 07:53:06 AM
Good excuse to give up football for a year and hope JP clears off.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 17, 2014, 08:00:33 AM
3 days in and i still cant come round.Worried now how the exsisting players are going to react.What respect will they have for a failed league one coach.I just hope there is a gem of a goal scorer out there somewhere because if not we are doomed

what right and grounds does this bloke have to apply for this postion.Is he an idiot or something
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on June 17, 2014, 08:35:23 AM
Surely he´s not still here >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on June 17, 2014, 08:51:35 AM
Worried now how the exsisting players are going to react.

No votes of confidence, no comments on Twitter, no bullsh*t articles on the official site about how excited the players are to work with Alan Irvine.

The silence is deafening.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on June 17, 2014, 09:09:36 AM
Terry Burton has also said that Irvine was our "preferred choice", and that Wenger was criticised when he first got the Arsenal job.

Who the hell recommending this bloke to us? Oh yeah, the same bloke who took Dan Ashworth to the FA. Thanks Roy.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on June 17, 2014, 09:10:10 AM

Terry Burton: 'We've got a fantastic coach'

Yes, Ellisons do us a fantastic deal!!! Leather seats, the works.....

Correct, great team coach!

FFS....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 17, 2014, 09:10:32 AM
No votes of confidence, no comments on Twitter, no bullsh*t articles on the official site about how excited the players are to work with Alan Irvine.

The silence is deafening.

Absolutely bob on.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 17, 2014, 09:16:27 AM
Does anybody think the bald one will do a U turn on this one?
Just thinking when the players get back they might have something to say as well
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 17, 2014, 09:16:32 AM
No votes of confidence, no comments on Twitter, no bullsh*t articles on the official site about how excited the players are to work with Alan Irvine.

The silence is deafening.



What not even a comment from Odemwingie
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 17, 2014, 09:17:18 AM
Does anybody think the bald one will do a U turn on this one?
Just thinking when the players get back they might have something to say as well



For me its the first time he sweats in his role
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B_H_Baggie on June 17, 2014, 09:22:43 AM
Does anybody think the bald one will do a U turn on this one?
Just thinking when the players get back they might have something to say as well

Why would he? He doesn't give a toss about what we think he has proven that time and again. He lives in a bubble just like the players seem to.

As for the players I don't think he will care, as long as he pays their wages on time I don't think they will be too bothered as they will just do what they have done for the last couple of managers and end up doing their all to get them the sack.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on June 17, 2014, 09:22:51 AM
Does anybody think the bald one will do a U turn on this one?
Just thinking when the players get back they might have something to say as well

So now it's become ok for the players to disrespect the manager  ::)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on June 17, 2014, 09:24:33 AM
Terry Burton just on Radio WM blowing smoke up Irvines ass (as he would).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B_H_Baggie on June 17, 2014, 09:30:11 AM
As much as I am shocked and surprised by the club appointing Irvine we really shouldn't be, with the exception of Roy this is the type of manager we have always gone for since Peace has owned the club.  Its no good people having a pop at Terry Burton either, he's been in the job two minutes and he has to work to the constraints set by Peace which clearly limits us severely. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on June 17, 2014, 09:33:43 AM
As much as I am shocked and surprised by the club appointing Irvine we really shouldn't be, with the exception of Roy this is the type of manager we have always gone for since Peace has owned the club.  Its no good people having a pop at Terry Burton either, he's been in the job two minutes and he has to work to the constraints set by Peace which clearly limits us severely.

I think this is the first time we've appointed a categorical failure. So far Peace has appointed Robson (had a good spell at Middlesbrough), Mowbray (did a good job at Hibs, played attractive football), Di Matteo (good job at McDons), Hodgson (overall great coaching career) and Pepe Mel (by all accounts did a decent job at Betis whilst playing attractive football).

Irvine is an absolute failure as a manager, with a negative defensive style to "compliment" poor results and a relegation with Sheffield Wednesday.

Whilst every managerial appointment is a risk, this one is absolutely ridiculous and is destined to fail.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 17, 2014, 09:35:01 AM
So now it's become ok for the players to disrespect the manager  ::)

And the fans. But don't let the fact he hasn't moved into his office stop anyone treating him with contempt. Nor by that standards give the man who hired him the opportunity to prove why he's been hired, just jump in say it's a disgrace and hide if it comes off. He not an inspiring name, but if you're seriously suggesting Peace cares so little about the club he'd put anyone in charge why not Downing? Or Doris the tea lady, or someone even cheaper? He's here for his coaching ability, and last time I checked he hasn't started to coach our club yet.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on June 17, 2014, 09:37:25 AM
And the fans. But don't let the fact he hasn't moved into his office stop anyone treating him with contempt. Nor by that standards give the man who hired him the opportunity to prove why he's been hired, just jump in say it's a disgrace and hide if it comes off. He not an inspiring name, but if you're seriously suggesting Peace cares so little about the club he'd put anyone in charge why not Downing? Or Doris the tea lady, or someone even cheaper? He's here for his coaching ability, and last time I checked he hasn't started to coach our club yet.

I really do admire your ability to ignore the facts about Alan Irvine's managerial "credentials", and to blindly hope that it comes off. I hope it does but I'm sorry I just can't see it at all.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B_H_Baggie on June 17, 2014, 09:44:42 AM
Blind hope appears to be all we have left quite frankly.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on June 17, 2014, 09:46:06 AM

Burton: "We understand there is disappointment but who is more disappointed? The people at Everton FC who know him."

Well if they're that upset me and my mate will drive him back there this afternoon!!!

Just let me know, Terry. I won't even charge for fuel....
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 17, 2014, 09:48:40 AM
Burton: "We understand there is disappointment but who is more disappointed? The people at Everton FC who know him."

Well if they're that upset me and my mate will drive him back there this afternoon!!!

Just let me know, Terry. I won't even charge for fuel....



I havent seen any banners on the gates at Gooodison yet.What a stupid comment.Burton just another yes man
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on June 17, 2014, 09:50:48 AM


I havent seen any banners on the gates at Gooodison yet.What a stupid comment.Burton just another yes man

I think he was alluding more to the Everton FC staff within the club...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bagstaff on June 17, 2014, 09:51:41 AM
I think westbrom.com should follow in the footsteps of our beloved club and add a new member category of 'Head Coach Baggie'.  Of course you won't have to make as many posts to gain this status as a 'Coach Baggie' - they are far far more important in the hierarchy - and really you don't need much gravitas or posting history to to be of this status, so presumably shouldn't have achieved pm status as yet - somewhere between 'newbie' and 'baby baggie' should suffice.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 17, 2014, 09:54:25 AM
I think he was alluding more to the Everton FC staff within the club...



If thats the case why isnt he no 2 there.He was in his rightfull place there
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on June 17, 2014, 09:57:35 AM
As much as I am shocked and surprised by the club appointing Irvine we really shouldn't be, with the exception of Roy this is the type of manager we have always gone for since Peace has owned the club.  Its no good people having a pop at Terry Burton either, he's been in the job two minutes and he has to work to the constraints set by Peace which clearly limits us severely.
Is it??  Dont think so RDM and Mogga stars were very much in the ascendent, Clarke had been a number 2 at 2 of the biggest clubs in our league, Roy had managed everywhere, only Robson was risky and he was a past hero of the club . Most of the appointments were supposedly up and coming can hardly say that about this division 1 failure >:( >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 17, 2014, 10:03:43 AM
He's so good that Moyes didn't take him to Utd and he didn't get the No 2 spot at Everton.
Why do these people at the club try and treat us all like cretins.
We all know that this is destined to fail.
If I am proved wrong and we go on to have a very good season I am more than willing to stand outside the Astle gates on the last match day of the season with my tojjer on a platter, if all you that are happy to see us all go headlong into the abyss do the same if I'm right
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: George47 on June 17, 2014, 10:04:12 AM
We fans all know what the outcome is from this ludicrous appointment, we have half a poor squad ,a manager with a shocking record, no flair, no charisma to attract players, no funds to attract players a club in total disarray from last seasons well documented disputes, an assistant manager in Downing who was instrumental in our decline over past 18 months, and a chairman with contempt for the fanbase. In my opinion we will be bottom by Christmas, Irvine will be sacked, no new manager will want to take on the job , players will leave and we will be relegated with 6 games to go . With Keith Downing in charge!!  What a disaster, and to think we had the next England manager and came 8th in the league 14 months ago, oh the joy of supporting the Baggies.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 17, 2014, 10:06:23 AM
I really do admire your ability to ignore the facts about Alan Irvine's managerial "credentials", and to blindly hope that it comes off. I hope it does but I'm sorry I just can't see it at all.

I'm not ignoring anything - though I do think that we focus a lot on track records and not on abilities. Like I've said plenty of times I think the appointment is poor considering some people we've spoken to but I reserve my judgement until he's actually had chance to prove us right or wrong. I'd also like to point out that he didn't relegate Preston, he got them from 15th in the league to the playoffs and his sacking resulted in a demonstration by Preston fans when he left.

(http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1240220/Preston-7-Colchester-0-Jon-Parkin-scores-hat-trick-managerless-Preston-run-riot.html)

He also had moments of success with Wednesday despite taking them down (and SW twice having winding up orders in court through financial problems) and was replaced by Gary Megson who was also sacked. It's not a Guardiolaesque career but if Everton deemed him good enough to hire to develop their youth team (Barkley, Stone, etc) he's got something about him they saw too. It doesn't mean he will be great but he has some ability.

I admit I am having faith in this because I refuse to believe anyone would purposefully try and destroy their own asset so I'm inclined to believe that there MUST be SOMETHING they see that we don't. But I simply cannot hope or wish we do badly to prove a point - I can't even bet against us, it doesn't feel right. I only want this appointment to come off because it means the club will do well, not because I'm delusional.

In my eyes player acquisitions are more important now; it's not rocket science to see that coaches fortunes come down to who's on the pitch getting results. A manager can't single handedly kill player talent and so it's essential we get some good players in and I think anyone who thinks that a coach has more bearing on a players decision to come to a club than money is daft.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 17, 2014, 10:09:27 AM
We fans all know what the outcome is from this ludicrous appointment, we have half a poor squad ,a manager with a shocking record, no flair, no charisma to attract players, no funds to attract players a club in total disarray from last seasons well documented disputes, an assistant manager in Downing who was instrumental in our decline over past 18 months, and a chairman with contempt for the fanbase. In my opinion we will be bottom by Christmas, Irvine will be sacked, no new manager will want to take on the job , players will leave and we will be relegated with 6 games to go . With Keith Downing in charge!!  What a disaster, and to think we had the next England manager and came 8th in the league 14 months ago, oh the joy of supporting the Baggies.

Well we don't KNOW, you're assuming. And then getting upset about it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on June 17, 2014, 10:12:01 AM
In my eyes player acquisitions are more important now

Good job our player recruitment has been top notch in the last 12-18 months then! ;D

I really do feel sorry for the bloke, to be honest he will be in the exact same position as Pepe Mel who everyone rallied behind - having to coach a squad full of mediocre, selfish, arrogant footballers, having to work with (and be undermined by) the current coaching staff, having to recruit players for minimal outlay in terms of transfer fees and wages.

Our situation was bad enough without an exceptionally poor Head Coach appointment, I think that's what has tipped everyone over the edge.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Greenock Baggie on June 17, 2014, 10:15:40 AM
WHY ARE PEOPLE IGNORING THE MAIN ISSUE IN AN ATTEMPT TO JUSTIFY IRVINE

Its not him people are protesting and upset about, ITS THE FACT OF HIS APPOINTEMENT AND THE MUPPET WHO APPOINTED HIM.

The bloke ( Irvine ) is completely blameless and no-one should be having a pop at him for simply accepting a job offer, and this should be made clear to the press as well. What people are **** off about and protesting about is the fact that he has actually been considered for the job in the first place and actually awarded the job by our board of directors of which Peace is the head !!!

THATS WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.

When you appoint anyone who applied for a job, you look at their track record, their failures and successes, then make a decision. ANYONE can see this bloke has been a perpetual failure and if he is the best candidate for this job, THEN I'M A CHINAMAN !!!.....as the saying goes.

So for the visually impared......THIS IS NOT ABOUT IRVINE, ITS ABOUT HIS APPOINTMENT AND THE P***K WHO CHOSE HIM AS THE BEST CANDIDATE !!!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 17, 2014, 10:16:05 AM
Good job our player recruitment has been top notch in the last 12-18 months then! ;D

I really do feel sorry for the bloke, to be honest he will be in the exact same position as Pepe Mel who everyone rallied behind - having to coach a squad full of mediocre, selfish, arrogant footballers, having to work with (and be undermined by) the current coaching staff, having to recruit players for minimal outlay in terms of transfer fees and wages.

Our situation was bad enough without an exceptionally poor Head Coach appointment, I think that's what has tipped everyone over the edge.




No he wont.Everyone wont ralley round like they did with Mel
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on June 17, 2014, 10:20:01 AM


If thats the case why isnt he no 2 there.He was in his rightfull place there

I don't know? Maybe you could ask the Everton academy a question that I obviously don't know the answer to.

Try speaking to the guy for the email address he used when he emailed the Everton academy demanding they held him to his contract, stay classy Albion fans.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on June 17, 2014, 10:20:45 AM
but why not would be my question, as as been stated by Greenock it's not his fault he got the job his only crime was to apply for it, we can all go on about his record but the beloved Pepe's was rubbish to so why can't he be shown the same respect as him,

it's PEACE we all need to get at not Irvine
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 17, 2014, 10:34:18 AM
I admit I am having faith in this because I refuse to believe anyone would purposefully try and destroy their own asset so I'm inclined to believe that there MUST be SOMETHING they see that we don't.

Yes what we are not party to is that Irvine was the best coach in the Boards eyes who would do the job for the wage and conditions offered. Peace will not pay  enough for or give the control to any good manager who would work for him. That’s the something they see and we don’t see explicitly.
Name me another Premiership club who regularly employs their Managers/Coach on 1 year rolling contracts. If Irvine was so good why didn’t they offer him a 3 year contract like Southampton have with Koeman.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 17, 2014, 10:40:02 AM
but why not would be my question, as as been stated by Greenock it's not his fault he got the job his only crime was to apply for it, we can all go on about his record but the beloved Pepe's was rubbish to so why can't he be shown the same respect as him,

it's PEACE we all need to get at not Irvine

And regardless until Irvine proves to be a bad appointment you can't slate Peace either. You can't rally behind and support a manager when you've already assumed will be bad. If he turns out good (which we don't know he won't) what of your Peace hatred then? If you're prepared to give Irvine a chance, by that association give Peace a chance. It's a dangerous state of affairs if you're prepared to act on your own convictions and not on real life.

And Bry, it's damage control. Would you be more or less annoyed that Irvine was offered a three year deal considering he's already unpopular. Koeman will have to be paid whatever is left of that contract should he be sacked. United paid millions in severance to a man who got them dreadful results and lasted 8 months because they had him on a four year deal. Not giving him a long deal doesn't prove anything. Name me one manager that successfully leaves a club at the end of his contract without being sacked, resigning or being approached by another club.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: slugga1 on June 17, 2014, 10:41:22 AM



No he wont.Everyone wont ralley round like they did with Mel

That's half the problem too..  They get rid of  Mel whom the majority of the fans were right behind and actually willing to give him a chance to put his stamp on the squad ( even after a dire season) ,  he's let go before getting anywhere near a fair shot and now we are meant to put that belief into someone who's done literally jack all in his managerial career.  Mel was wanted by his old fans, Plauded by other managers and football pundits regarding his style of football,  even the betis fans kicked off when he was sacked from there).

What exactly has AI done to give us hope apart from blood good talent (which we constantly let's go to other clubs anyways.


I'm not sure how we are meant to buy into it when we have literally nothing positive to cling onto from his appointment.  With other managers,  wether we had wanted them or not,  we had excitement regarding their links regarding players to buy or loan atleast,  we have literally bugger all now. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on June 17, 2014, 10:46:43 AM
Terry Burton just on Radio WM blowing smoke up Irvines ass (as he would).
Didn't hear the WM interview but i have heard the Tom Ross one , Burton kept hammering home the point about Irvine being a players coach be it young or old ....trouble is he didn't answer the question on quality signings and we certainly don't want another 5 half hearted loan signings.
We are just going to have to wait and see with Irvine , a few decent signings before the first game would sweeten the issue i believe.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 17, 2014, 10:52:54 AM
Burton: "We understand there is disappointment but who is more disappointed? The people at Everton FC who know him."
That's a bizarre thing to say and so takes Burton down a notch in my book. Judging by this comment, he's quickly picked up the club policy of not taking the fans seriously.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dexy on June 17, 2014, 11:20:34 AM
That's a bizarre thing to say and so takes Burton down a notch in my book. Judging by this comment, he's quickly picked up the club policy of not taking the fans seriously.
Depends what angle you look at it , if it means regarding the great job he was doing in their academy (by all accounts) then i can see what Burton means . Bit harsh to be jumping on Burton just yet IMO , lets see what players arrive first.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mrmojorisin on June 17, 2014, 11:24:59 AM
I am still bemused by the appointment of Irvine (and still think it is diabolical) but in many ways what bemuses more is how Jeremy Peace engineered such a total PR disaster.  First of all he gives his big mea culpa speech and talks up that he is looking at appointing a high quality head coach with Premiership experience.  We then have a long drawn out wait and finally get Irvine.  No wonder we are angry.  It's bit like you had queued up at Tesco for five hours expecting to buy fillet steak and then were offered a couple of dried up chipolatas.  Peace must realise that you cannot build up people's expectations and then deliver dross.

Clearly Peace hasn't learned the lesson that no-one of any worth now wants to be head coach here.  Look at the Clarke appointment.  Another long drawn out process.  Then Clarke gets sacked by Liverpool and out of the blue we have the head coach Peace always wanted (ha bloody ha).  They couldn't get anyone else.  Then again, the Pepe Mel appointment.  Clearly he wasn't happy with the terms and conditions originally offered to him - they couldn't find anyone else so that had to modify the their offer to him just enough to bring him in - and then give him the boot when it was clear that he wouldn't be happy with the type of squad they would allow him to build.

And now Irvine has been appointed Peace drops below the parapet again and Burton is left to come out with weak platitudes which do not address the real issues.  I think Peace must have taken lessons from Tony "I am not responsible for the total mess and carnage in Iraq" Blair.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 17, 2014, 11:27:33 AM
Don't know if this has been posted yet, if it has sorry for duplicating.

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2014/06/17/west-broms-terry-burton-alan-irvine-could-be-our-brendan-rodgers/

Wow.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on June 17, 2014, 11:28:41 AM
Terry also said Arsene Wengers appointment was slammed by Arsenals fans  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bagstaff on June 17, 2014, 11:39:31 AM
Don't know if this has been posted yet, if it has sorry for duplicating.

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2014/06/17/west-broms-terry-burton-alan-irvine-could-be-our-brendan-rodgers/

Wow.

So i criteria for who should lead our team is a very good coach who has some experience in management - so it doesn't really matter if you can't read the game, be tactically naive, have little understanding of the league you are working in, have little to no experience of when and how to make substitions, not being able to analyse the opposition and pick the correct starting 11  - as long as you are a very good coach.  That isn't having a go at Irvine he may have some of those qualities - I'm having a go at the criteria - I think there is more to winning games in the premiership than just being able to be a very good coach. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on June 17, 2014, 11:39:57 AM
Does anyone know if Irvine actually took charge of the Everton U21 team? Or was he just responsible for coaching and someone else picked the team?

Just wondered as I recall our kids beating Everton 5-0 last season. :o ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 17, 2014, 12:34:11 PM

If as Terry Burtons says  “Irvine is a top top coach” why didn’t Everton promote him from the kids team instead of appointing Roberto Martínez as their head coach. Please don’t insult my intelligence or football knowledge. Terry Burton is beginning to sound like that other old school dinosaur Joe Kinnear when he became director of football at Newcastle. Look at what a success that was and how arogant he was that his knowledge was so superior to any fan. Infact I think they may have worked together
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 17, 2014, 12:47:08 PM
If as Terry Burtons says  “Irvine is a top top coach” why didn’t Everton promote him from the kids team instead of appointing Roberto Martínez as their head coach. Please don’t insult my intelligence or football knowledge. Terry Burton is beginning to sound like that other old school dinosaur Joe Kinnear when he became director of football at Newcastle. Look at what a success that was and how arogant he was that his knowledge was so superior to any fan. Infact I think they may have worked together

Could be any number of reasons he wasn't promoted. The first one being maybe Martinez is better than Irvine? Would you pick Clarke over Mourinho? I'm not sure what you're trying to prove by saying they picked someone over someone else, there's a lot of people better than others, what difference does it make?

 Maybe Everton were looking for a manager not a head coach? It's not rocket science, nor is it proof that he's terrible because he wasn't made manager of Everton - that proves nothing. If he was dreadful Everton would have sacked him from his youth role. Then saying Burton would be a disaster like Kinnear 'because he sounds like him'? Nice justification.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VANDERLEI on June 17, 2014, 12:51:56 PM
The more I hear the more it sounds like Downing has been given the job with Irvine being the scapegoat.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Greenock Baggie on June 17, 2014, 12:59:30 PM
Could be any number of reasons he wasn't promoted. The first one being maybe Martinez is better than Irvine? Would you pick Clarke over Mourinho? I'm not sure what you're trying to prove by saying they picked someone over someone else, there's a lot of people better than others, what difference does it make?

 Maybe Everton were looking for a manager not a head coach? It's not rocket science, nor is it proof that he's terrible because he wasn't made manager of Everton - that proves nothing. If he was dreadful Everton would have sacked him from his youth role. Then saying Burton would be a disaster like Kinnear 'because he sounds like him'? Nice justification.
No the proof of that is the blokes track record FFS !!! wake up and smell the coffee, this bloke should never in a million years been considered for any role involving a premier league team !!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 17, 2014, 01:00:58 PM
We have fans who think they should say or try to do something about the situation we are in and others who say we should accept the situation as anything that is not for the club is against it. I despair. I feel there is absolutely nothing I can do for the club I love. If as suggested by some I should go to the games, sing and applaud the team from start to finish will make no difference. We will be relegated next season everything that is happening and is in place screams that fact despite all the contributors who keep saying we just have to wait and see.
I have paid for my season ticket and that fact will have no positive affect on the potential of keeping the club in the premiership, gives no say to if I want blue and white stripes on our shirts, if the club should support and respect Jeff Astles family and their campaign. I am sick of being angry I am sick of arguing I am sick of caring about the Albion, and that is the saddest conclusion of it all. I don’t know what to do because there is nothing I can do but to sit and watch the slow motion car crash of next season. Well to all you optimists (of whom there aren’t many) lets all sit back together and watch the next instalment. Of the 10 super star players the club will bring in well before deadline day who will make all this angst and concern seem like a distant nightmare.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 17, 2014, 01:02:05 PM
The more I hear the more it sounds like Downing has been given the job with Irvine being the scapegoat.


Yes Keith will be pulling the strings alright
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: freddy73 on June 17, 2014, 01:14:29 PM
Well if by some miracle this joke appointment actually works out, the end of season theme is already sorted surely?
Father Ted - Feck backside (which at the moment sums up my feelings towards the club)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 17, 2014, 01:15:28 PM
No the proof of that is the blokes track record FFS !!! wake up and smell the coffee, this bloke should never in a million years been considered for any role involving a premier league team !!!

Congratulations on proving my bloody point - I said that not being made Everton manager is not proof of anything, I didn't for a minute say that there was NO proof, I'm stating that using 'Everton hired Martinez as their manager instead of their Youth Coach' isn't enough to rake the poor sod over the coals. But feel free to lambast me further, than agree with what I've said.

I fail to see where I've said I agree with this appointment and I refuse to be treated like some sort of delusionial for suggesting you WAIT AND SEE HOW HE DOES before you treat him like he's just lost 15 games in a row. You're all about facts, here's one for you - he's not failed at West Bromwich Albion. Here's another fact, he hasn't coached a single game at West Bromwich Albion. Here's another one, we have 38 games to play before we could possibly be in a different division. Here's another one, his track record isn't encouraging, but he's not coached a game yet and unless you can see into the future, or have invented forward time travel, I fail to see how you KNOW this will end in failure. I feel it will, but I'm not certain so I don't stamp my feet and paint bed sheets. There's a huge difference between feeling something will happen and it happening.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on June 17, 2014, 01:18:12 PM
Congratulations on proving my bloody point - I said that not being made Everton manager is not proof of anything, I didn't for a minute say that there was NO proof, I'm stating that using 'Everton hired Martinez as their manager instead of their Youth Coach' isn't enough to rake the poor sod over the coals. But feel free to lambast me further, than agree with what I've said.

I fail to see where I've said I agree with this appointment and I refuse to be treated like some sort of delusionial for suggesting you WAIT AND SEE HOW HE DOES before you treat him like he's just lost 15 games in a row. You're all about facts, here's one for you - he's not failed at West Bromwich Albion. Here's another fact, he hasn't coached a single game at West Bromwich Albion. Here's another one, we have 38 games to play before we could possibly be in a different division. Here's another one, his track record isn't encouraging, but he's not coached a game yet and unless you can see into the future, or have invented forward time travel, I fail to see how you KNOW this will end in failure. I feel it will, but I'm not certain so I don't stamp my feet and paint bed sheets. There's a huge difference between feeling something will happen and it happening.

By your reckoning we could appoint Coco the bloody Clown as Head Coach and he wouldn't be a failure because "we haven't given him a chance to fail yet".

Come on.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on June 17, 2014, 01:22:50 PM
The comments from TB sound very defensive and almost confrontational.

This makes me wonder if JP has said something along the lines of,
I've been criticised because I'm an accountant, ok thats true, I'm going to learn from my mistakes, TB you are a "football man" here are the numbers go and find the best man you can within these parameters and get him in asap.
TB has "found" AI and is now immediately under the cosh from both directions, public and JP. This would explain why JP is not attending the un-veiling of AI, "well TB you found him, you take the can for him, you deal with it".

I don't blame AI taking a job which is fantastic given his credentials and I accept that JP has full responsibility but maybe, just maybe, we are all looking in the wrong direction.

What do we know about TB's ability to recruit the right coach???
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ComebackStrodds on June 17, 2014, 01:23:29 PM
I would rather take back Alan Buckley and a load of Grimsby rejects than have Irvine.
That is what we're going to be heading back to mid table championship mediocrity.
Sideways and backwards here we come!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 17, 2014, 01:25:45 PM
By your reckoning we could appoint Coco the bloody Clown as Head Coach and he wouldn't be a failure because "we haven't given him a chance to fail yet".

Come on.

Whatever, aim things at me personally, I couldn't give a damn, I'm just saying you can be opposed to the appointment without going insane. You sit there **** off all summer, seething, demanding your money back, hating the club and its custodians, taking rubbish off every Dingle and Seal you know, spending your wages on bed sheets and paint, already planning your away trips in the Championship, and I'll join you in December if and when things go to pot.

Enjoy your summer.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 17, 2014, 01:26:10 PM
Congratulations on proving my bloody point - I said that not being made Everton manager is not proof of anything, I didn't for a minute say that there was NO proof, I'm stating that using 'Everton hired Martinez as their manager instead of their Youth Coach' isn't enough to rake the poor sod over the coals. But feel free to lambast me further, than agree with what I've said.

I fail to see where I've said I agree with this appointment and I refuse to be treated like some sort of delusionial for suggesting you WAIT AND SEE HOW HE DOES before you treat him like he's just lost 15 games in a row. You're all about facts, here's one for you - he's not failed at West Bromwich Albion. Here's another fact, he hasn't coached a single game at West Bromwich Albion. Here's another one, we have 38 games to play before we could possibly be in a different division. Here's another one, his track record isn't encouraging, but he's not coached a game yet and unless you can see into the future, or have invented forward time travel, I fail to see how you KNOW this will end in failure. I feel it will, but I'm not certain so I don't stamp my feet and paint bed sheets. There's a huge difference between feeling something will happen and it happening.

By your logic then some team outside of Man C, Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal could win the league next season. ITS a fact without a ball being kicked Everton or Totenham can win the league. But they wont and we wont stay up. I wait with great anticipation for your next He hasn't been in charge for a single game speech when we know the signings we have made before kick off of the fist game of the season. I'm sure again I will be just as inspired to give the club and its decisions my disdain as I am now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Greenock Baggie on June 17, 2014, 01:30:59 PM
Congratulations on proving my bloody point - I said that not being made Everton manager is not proof of anything, I didn't for a minute say that there was NO proof, I'm stating that using 'Everton hired Martinez as their manager instead of their Youth Coach' isn't enough to rake the poor sod over the coals. But feel free to lambast me further, than agree with what I've said.

I fail to see where I've said I agree with this appointment and I refuse to be treated like some sort of delusionial for suggesting you WAIT AND SEE HOW HE DOES before you treat him like he's just lost 15 games in a row. You're all about facts, here's one for you - he's not failed at West Bromwich Albion. Here's another fact, he hasn't coached a single game at West Bromwich Albion. Here's another one, we have 38 games to play before we could possibly be in a different division. Here's another one, his track record isn't encouraging, but he's not coached a game yet and unless you can see into the future, or have invented forward time travel, I fail to see how you KNOW this will end in failure. I feel it will, but I'm not certain so I don't stamp my feet and paint bed sheets. There's a huge difference between feeling something will happen and it happening.
Why dont you just sit and fiddle while Rome burns, the rest of us will try ( probably without success ) to avert such a disaster. I take no pride in coming on here in 6 to 12 months time when this bloke has failed ( again ) and saying I told you so.
I would love nothing more than to eat my words but I know which scenario my money will be on..........and its not your "roses round the door" option I can tell you.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 17, 2014, 01:32:30 PM
Well if by some miracle this joke appointment actually works out, the end of season theme is already sorted surely?
Father Ted - Feck backside (which at the moment sums up my feelings towards the club)


If it does work and we stay up i will ride on horseback around the streets of west bromwich like Lady Gadiva did around Coventry
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 17, 2014, 01:34:35 PM
Whatever, aim things at me personally, I couldn't give a damn, I'm just saying you can be opposed to the appointment without going insane. You sit there **** off all summer, seething, demanding your money back, hating the club and its custodians, taking rubbish off every Dingle and Seal you know, spending your wages on bed sheets and paint, already planning your away trips in the Championship, and I'll join you in December if and when things go to pot.

Enjoy your summer.

Finally I get your point. Buts that's the sad part when one finally concedes that there is nothing I can F***ING do to help the club I love.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ste1987 on June 17, 2014, 01:40:07 PM

Has Terry Burton realised he meant to compare Alan Irvine to Buck Rogers, rather than Brendan Rodgers yet??
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 17, 2014, 01:59:40 PM
There you go our new probable  first signing under Irvine - Sean St Ledger
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Greenock Baggie on June 17, 2014, 02:04:37 PM
Getting set for the Championship ( and below ) already, we're off to an early start
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 17, 2014, 02:09:39 PM

Finally I get your point. Buts that's the sad part when one finally concedes that there is nothing I can F***ING do to help the club I love.

I'm prepared to take any personal comments directed at me that people who aggressively disagree with my views deem worthy of expressing, but I've said numerous times that I don't agree with the appointment and I don't think we will come out of this well. But to save myself months of anguish over it I will save my despair for when it becomes true. It'll need a miracle but until then I'm not going to work myself into a frenzy where I fall out of love with the club on the possibility the worst happens, then remain in the wilderness if the worst doesn't happen.

By all means i would love everyone to be proved wrong, not because I like Peace, or approve of the appointment, or because I like Irvine, or because I want to say 'I told you so' but because in being proved wrong the club I love will have done well. I respect those willing to act on their anger and will not say you're wrong. But for my own sanity I will not join you until it is certain that this was the wrong choice. Point to facts in the past all you like, but football isn't played on paper. If past records were gospel we wouldn't have beaten Manchester United last season.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Greenock Baggie on June 17, 2014, 02:12:56 PM
Those of us that do want to try and do something have nothing to lose by trying
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on June 17, 2014, 02:14:09 PM
He was in charge of Everton's academy and Martinez speaks highly of him so hopefully his ideas have changed since being manager of Sheff Wed and Preston and he might get us playing some good stuff. I still expect him to make us organised and hard to beat but we can't be subjected to dross. Maybe the set up here and working with better players might make him thrive compared to his other managerial jobs. It's rare that we will find a head coach with a unblemished record.  Brendan Rodgers left Reading one place above the relegation zone a couple of years ago but proved himself at Swansea. Irvine could prove himself here or maybe I'm just trying to make sense of this appointment.  :-X
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on June 17, 2014, 02:26:59 PM
I actually think we might do ok under him, a lot of his problems seemed to be related to terrible player recruitment, if our scouting can be pre last season levels then that shouldn't be an issue.

I just hope there's not a poisonous atmosphere of fans willing him to fail in the stadium next season, though I suspect there will be. A bit like Bolton fans and Megson.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 17, 2014, 02:35:02 PM
Ha Ha pictures of father Ted already, fair play
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: swad35 on June 17, 2014, 02:36:35 PM
Those of us that do want to try and do something have nothing to lose by trying

To quote Edmund Burke " All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" I am aware that this is completely melodramatic and we are not talking about war crimes but we are talking about something dear to people's hearts and something they want to put right, doesn't make the "bed sheet" brigade or the refund season ticket holders any better or worse then any other fan but they have need to express their anger. They feel a wrong has been done and they are trying to put it right.

I applaud the tryers and I applaud the give Peace a chance brigade after all we are part of this site because of our passion for the Albion however I wish AI well, he is not the cause of this injustice that has been going on for at least the last season, this appointment is just a small part of the steady decline of our club.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on June 17, 2014, 02:45:10 PM
I actually think we might do ok under him, a lot of his problems seemed to be related to terrible player recruitment, if our scouting can be pre last season levels then that shouldn't be an issue.

I just hope there's not a poisonous atmosphere of fans willing him to fail in the stadium next season, though I suspect there will be. A bit like Bolton fans and Megson.

To be fair, I think that could happen, but a large number of fans will want AI to do well, because naturally if he succeeds it's good for everyone.

Poisonous is the key word though, and it's infected the relationship between the fans and JP/ the Board. 

I really want to see more from the Board now in terms of properly engaging with fans, treating us as fans not customers and investing in the squad. And rather than let all this fester and spoil my summer, I have just e-mailed Mark Jenkins about it.

I am now off to p*ss in the wind.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Greenock Baggie on June 17, 2014, 02:52:23 PM
On the odd occasion that I will be attending, I will give my whole-hearted support to the team on the pitch. I WILL NEVER SHOUT THE MANAGERS NAME ( either in support or abuse as I dont blame him ) BUT..........

Peace is another matter, he is a disgrace of a chairman for even considering this bloke or making our club the poor attraction to potential managers/coaches that it has become so that this bloke wiuth a track record of failure is the best we can come up with after 5 weeks of searching

Its just unbelievable what has happened. We were good enough to attract Hodgson 2 years ago from Liverpool ( albeit that he had failed there though not totally through his own making ) to Evertons youth team coach who's last first team job was to get Sheff Wed relegated to division 1 ffs !!

HOW CAN ANYONE JUSTIFY THIS, its all down to Peace.........NO-ONE ELSE !!

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on June 17, 2014, 02:52:37 PM
Or the only candidate who was willing to work within the constraints. All credible applicants walked away leaving this poor desperado. That's why no-one from the club has come out with any rally cry, Peace didn't want him anymore than they wanted Mel, he just hamstrung himself with the constraints applied by his ridiculous power trip.
Peace could call the shots and play hardball when we were on the up, now we are on the wane no-one will take the risk and walk away from the negotiations leaving us with the dross at the bottom of the list. Peace will probably still be stroking his ego that no-one got the better of him, but long term he will be the loser, as will we.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiejohn on June 17, 2014, 02:55:21 PM
This is what you need to do to get the UEFA Pro Licence, a requirement to manage in the EPL. Clearly, there's more to it than just teaching.


Quote
Potential candidates must meet the following criteria:

Applicants must hold a current UEFA ‘A’ Licence, with priority given to applicants holding the English FA Award •• Applicants from outside the UK must hold the current A Licence equivalent award of that country, with priority given to holders of The FA UEFA ‘A’ Coaching Licence
All applicants must typically have experience in the professional game (or women’s equivalent) at senior level as either a player (minimum five yearsexperience), player coach, coach, assistant manager or manager
Priority will be given to applicants who have significant coaching experience with senior players in the domestic professional game
Applications are considered by the UEFA Pro-Licence Admissions Committee, which is made up of a representative from The FA, the League Managers’ Association, Professional Footballers’ Association, Premier League and Football League and the intake is agreed to commence the course in January 2013.

Course content

The following modules will be covered:

Professional communication

Communicating with players
Communicating with staff
Communicating with senior management, owners and senior stakeholders
Communicating with the media, wider community and supporters
Communicating with third party talent identification and recruitment agencies
Leadership, management of self and others

Influence and influencing
Practical applications of leadership
Leading and developing staff and associates
Leading winning teams in the modern game
Managing oneself and handling the pressures of management
Decision-making, and time and priority management
Performance management

Tactical understanding of the game and of systems of play
Technical understanding of play and players
Talent identification and recruitment
Performance analysis and purposeful use of data
Seasonal planning and preparation
Weekly planning, preparation and management
Match day management
Understanding and utilisation of physical conditioning, recovery and rehabilitation
Developing and sustaining a winning culture
Football business and finance

Understanding finance
Building a brand
Employment and contract law
Commercial and other revenue opportunities
Marketing and public relations
Course assessment

In order to complete the Licence, students must attend all modules and complete all associated distance learning and course tasks.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 17, 2014, 02:56:25 PM
I actually think we might do ok under him, a lot of his problems seemed to be related to terrible player recruitment, if our scouting can be pre last season levels then that shouldn't be an issue.

I just hope there's not a poisonous atmosphere of fans willing him to fail in the stadium next season, though I suspect there will be. A bit like Bolton fans and Megson.

I don't see why there would be a poisonous atmosphere against Irvine unless he makes decisions that almost everyone can see is a wrong one like the square pegs in round holes we have seen in the past when alternatives are available in those positions. I think any poison will be aimed at Peace and Irvine is just the unfortunate man in the role.

Everyone wants the club to do well and make the most of the position we are in. Yes its all about staying in the league for a club like us and yes finishing 8th was above our levels and we're unlikely to do it again. I understand and to an extent accept that but still struggle to see how Irvine is the best option available to a club like ourselves getting ready for yet another season in the top flight and after 5 weeks of searching and even longer when it was obvious that Mel would be leaving, that is something I will never get my head round even if he does succeed.

A decent cup run occasionally would also work wonders to help boost morale.

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Rheneas on June 17, 2014, 03:47:27 PM
I don't see why there would be a poisonous atmosphere against Irvine unless he makes decisions that almost everyone can see is a wrong one like the square pegs in round holes we have seen in the past when alternatives are available in those positions. I think any poison will be aimed at Peace and Irvine is just the unfortunate man in the role.

Everyone wants the club to do well and make the most of the position we are in. Yes its all about staying in the league for a club like us and yes finishing 8th was above our levels and we're unlikely to do it again. I understand and to an extent accept that but still struggle to see how Irvine is the best option available to a club like ourselves getting ready for yet another season in the top flight and after 5 weeks of searching and even longer when it was obvious that Mel would be leaving, that is something I will never get my head round even if he does succeed.

A decent cup run occasionally would also work wonders to help boost morale.


Agree with all this apart from the bit in bold. Yes 8th was superb and there was luck involved.

But it was also down to planning, performances, sound management and everyone pulling in the same direction.

What I maintain is that if it has happened once through hard work and graft, then you can create the conditions for the like to happened again.

Let's not get overambitious, but let's not be too modest. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on June 17, 2014, 05:00:00 PM
I've heard the horror stories From Wednesday fans. The home Yeovil game when Yeovil had 9 men and a 2 goal lead. He went Ultra defensive for 78 minutes. It was the game that ultimately got him the sack. Ironically I can't, don't and won't blame Irvine next season. I hold the board responable, after all the rubbish in 90's I thought we were in safe hands. we come a long way to just p1ss it alll down a drain. This will be my last ST unless something drastic happens. I can no longer justify the expendature
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Ben1983 on June 17, 2014, 06:06:10 PM
If/When we do poorly next year it will not be down to Irvine, we have had a shocking 18months on and off the field.

For the last 10 years ive been very proud how we have conducted our business on and off the field. Not now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie53 on June 17, 2014, 06:44:37 PM
This is what you need to do to get the UEFA Pro Licence, a requirement to manage in the EPL. Clearly, there's more to it than just teaching.
On a lighter note, looking at the 6th line from the bottom "understanding finance", how the hell did 'Arry ever get his license ???
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 17, 2014, 06:56:48 PM
Still fuming... I thought it would have passed by now.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 17, 2014, 07:01:14 PM
Here's a video of his first interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qavIsKESphM&feature=share&list=UUnDBNo0zLm11TTXPVXvEN1g
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 17, 2014, 07:04:51 PM
Interestingly in the video I've just posted he claims to be a 'purist' - he likes attractive football and likes to see his team controlling the game and dictating the tempo. He then followed that by the importance of winning and using a variety of systems and strategies. In fairness, I would expect any manager to say attractive football when they are asked that question - the proof will be in the pudding.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on June 17, 2014, 07:11:14 PM
at 0:30 does he say "I'm enjoying my first Mauling"?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbarenno on June 17, 2014, 07:11:38 PM
I like attacking football "BUT" I'm a realist  ;D 1 step forward 2 steps back there
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on June 17, 2014, 07:28:46 PM
Whilst his record as a manager is not great, haven't we appointed him as head coach? Would the director of football not direct the manner in which we play?  When we tried to appoint him the first time and we had the he said she said debate, wasn't Dan Ashworth part of the team that wanted to appoint him? As pointed out elsewhere, if previous records were the only thing to look at, Liverpool would quite probably not be playing Champions League (and who would sign Suarez?)
Different chapter that may end in disaster but if anyone truly believes the worst, put your mortgage on it, easy money.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on June 17, 2014, 07:31:13 PM
On a lighter note, looking at the 6th line from the bottom "understanding finance", how the hell did 'Arry ever get his license ???
Now that did make me chuckle!! .....unless his dog went with him!! :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbarenno on June 17, 2014, 07:31:20 PM
Whilst his record as a manager is not great, haven't we appointed him as head coach? Would the director of football not direct the manner in which we play?  When we tried to appoint him the first time and we had the he said she said debate, wasn't Dan Ashworth part of the team that wanted to appoint him? As pointed out elsewhere, if previous records were the only thing to look at, Liverpool would quite probably not be playing Champions League (and who would sign Suarez?)
Different chapter that may end in disaster but if anyone truly believes the worst, put your mortgage on it, easy money.

Surely the head coach would decide the style of play, with the DOF taking care of the signings.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: garry on June 17, 2014, 07:34:43 PM
at 0:30 does he say "I'm enjoying my first Mauling"?
He does, but I think he meant Mourning.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on June 17, 2014, 07:37:08 PM
Whilst his record as a manager is not great, haven't we appointed him as head coach? Would the director of football not direct the manner in which we play?  When we tried to appoint him the first time and we had the he said she said debate, wasn't Dan Ashworth part of the team that wanted to appoint him? As pointed out elsewhere, if previous records were the only thing to look at, Liverpool would quite probably not be playing Champions League (and who would sign Suarez?)
Different chapter that may end in disaster but if anyone truly believes the worst, put your mortgage on it, easy money.

No mate Head coach's job is to handle all things on field including matchday tatics. what you suggest would be like Ashworth picking Hodgson's team and tactics when they were both here
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: VVVAlbion on June 17, 2014, 07:52:39 PM
No mate Head coach's job is to handle all things on field including matchday tatics. what you suggest would be like Ashworth picking Hodgson's team and tactics when they were both here
That is the assumption (and because of the way other British clubs have historically done their business). Irvine has said he is here to coach and is it unreasonable that he is given a mandate from the club as to the way in which he takes this forward?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on June 17, 2014, 07:54:36 PM
I like attacking football "BUT" I'm a realist  ;D 1 step forward 2 steps back there
To be fair that is probably the exact kind of thing Hodgson would've said. I've been stewing sincethe appointment was made, not posting on here very much. I'm very much behind Alan Irvine now, he HAS to be given the chance to prove himself. But that's it. If he doesn't take the chance by october, november then Peace needs to re-think.

I'm also 100% behind everybody that wants Peace out. Unless this is a masterstroke, which right now i'm not holding high hopes for, then he's really holding the club back. I think we were all very excited by the prospect of Sherwood joining us, but that has gone now.

Even though none of us like it, Irvine needs to be supported come match time along with the 11 on the pitch. We as fans need to stick together.

It's a massive shame that he hasn't shown ambition (ala Southampton with Koeman) and there is nothing to excite us about Irvine, but he's here, and we need to let him prove himself. But like i've said, that's all he gets. If he does? Then i'd say Peace got lucky and we still need to evolve from him.

I've probably contradicted myself here, i don't really care because this is the first time i've typed out my feelings.

In summary: gutted, let down, underwhelmed, but it'd done now so let's see what he can do.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: saml30 on June 17, 2014, 07:56:09 PM
JP needs to thank Leeds for not getting the most ridiculous deal of the week award. we are not the only ones fuming I would guess
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on June 17, 2014, 08:01:26 PM
That is the assumption (and because of the way other British clubs have historically done their business). Irvine has said he is here to coach and is it unreasonable that he is given a mandate from the club as to the way in which he takes this forward?
Then to turn an old saying on its head. We have too many Indians and sadly not enough Chiefs
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dan7heman on June 17, 2014, 08:24:09 PM
Ok it's not AI's fault he got the job. . And 99.9% of me is distraught. . My main worry after this and the last 12 months is, what player in their right mind would ever sign for us? 3 out the last 4 17th placed clubs have gone down in the very next season. Hard to see us becoming another statistic but . . The lords my shepherd.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on June 17, 2014, 08:27:46 PM
To be fair that is probably the exact kind of thing Hodgson would've said. I've been stewing sincethe appointment was made, not posting on here very much. I'm very much behind Alan Irvine now, he HAS to be given the chance to prove himself. But that's it. If he doesn't take the chance by october, november then Peace needs to re-think.

I'm also 100% behind everybody that wants Peace out. Unless this is a masterstroke, which right now i'm not holding high hopes for, then he's really holding the club back. I think we were all very excited by the prospect of Sherwood joining us, but that has gone now.

Even though none of us like it, Irvine needs to be supported come match time along with the 11 on the pitch. We as fans need to stick together.

It's a massive shame that he hasn't shown ambition (ala Southampton with Koeman) and there is nothing to excite us about Irvine, but he's here, and we need to let him prove himself. But like i've said, that's all he gets. If he does? Then i'd say Peace got lucky and we still need to evolve from him.

I've probably contradicted myself here, i don't really care because this is the first time i've typed out my feelings.

In summary: gutted, let down, underwhelmed, but it'd done now so let's see what he can do.

Ths Window wlll define what happens in May sadly, As for Irvine. He used fear teams such as Yeovil and Bournemouth and go so negative its unbelieveable. I dread to think how he'll handle the Prem
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 17, 2014, 08:35:10 PM
DOWNRIGHT DISRESPECTFUL  :-[

I've read virtually all of the post's on this thread & I noticed that some members are referring to Alan Irvine as Alan Irvine, unsure why this was as his name is James Alan Irvine, I've scrolled back & it appears to be an acronym meaning Alan F*****G Irvine, I find this totally disrespectful to a man who is our new coach, posters saying "I blame Peace" not Irvine & yet then calling him Alan Irvine, even one of the mods referred to him as Alan Irvine in another thread  :-[ plummeting new lows  :-[ 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbarenno on June 17, 2014, 08:43:06 PM
DOWNRIGHT DISRESPECTFUL  :-[

I've read virtually all of the post's on this thread & I noticed that some members are referring to Alan Irvine as Alan Irvine, unsure why this was as his name is James Alan Irvine, I've scrolled back & it appears to be an acronym meaning Alan F*****G Irvine, I find this totally disrespectful to a man who is our new coach, posters saying "I blame Peace" not Irvine & yet then calling him Alan Irvine, even one of the mods referred to him as Alan Irvine in another thread  :-[ plummeting new lows  :-[

Well i take it Alan Irvine was the reaction of 99.9% of albion fans on saturday afternoon!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on June 17, 2014, 08:43:56 PM
DOWNRIGHT DISRESPECTFUL  :-[

I've read virtually all of the post's on this thread & I noticed that some members are referring to Alan Irvine as Alan Irvine, unsure why this was as his name is James Alan Irvine, I've scrolled back & it appears to be an acronym meaning Alan F*****G Irvine, I find this totally disrespectful to a man who is our new coach, posters saying "I blame Peace" not Irvine & yet then calling him Alan Irvine, even one of the mods referred to him as Alan Irvine in another thread  :-[ plummeting new lows  :-[

Yeah we need to respect and give him a chance to prove himself. Any hatred should be aimed towards Peace.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on June 17, 2014, 08:53:16 PM
DOWNRIGHT DISRESPECTFUL  :-[

I've read virtually all of the post's on this thread & I noticed that some members are referring to Alan Irvine as Alan Irvine, unsure why this was as his name is James Alan Irvine, I've scrolled back & it appears to be an acronym meaning Alan F*****G Irvine, I find this totally disrespectful to a man who is our new coach, posters saying "I blame Peace" not Irvine & yet then calling him Alan Irvine, even one of the mods referred to him as Alan Irvine in another thread  :-[ plummeting new lows  :-[

A portion of our fan base have shown their true colours over the last couple of days. No class whatsoever.  :-[

Those who preached about Peace's treatment of Mel and then they do this to the next man in...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on June 17, 2014, 09:33:21 PM
Yeah we need to respect and give him a chance to prove himself. Any hatred should be aimed towards Peace.

I have said elsewhere that I'm disabled and that one of my ex-carer's is a Sheffield Wednesday fan. Irvine took over when Brain laws went to Burnley. They were in bad but to be fair at the beginning he had decent run. However, the last 10 games were a disaster and they would hav been relegated had palace who they played on last day not gone nto admin. They needed a win, he played for a draw. When he was sacked in league 1 they were 12th 8pts off the relegation zone. The game that got hm sacked was Yeovil at Hillsborough. The visitors had scored twice but had 2 players sent off withn the first 12 minutes. Irvine went long ball and ultra defensive. They lost that and Mandaric fired him.  Now he maybe the BEST coach in the world on the Training pitch but he doesn't seem to have a clue about tactics. to put it in perspective Micheal Appleton, with that game against West Ham has more experience in the Premiership than Alan Irvine. I won't call him Alan Irvine because I'm not going to disrespect him personally But I don't think he's up to the job. What were the club thinking??   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: socalbaggie on June 17, 2014, 09:56:59 PM
I'm not ignoring anything - though I do think that we focus a lot on track records and not on abilities. Like I've said plenty of times I think the appointment is poor considering some people we've spoken to but I reserve my judgement until he's actually had chance to prove us right or wrong. I'd also like to point out that he didn't relegate Preston, he got them from 15th in the league to the playoffs and his sacking resulted in a demonstration by Preston fans when he left.

(http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1240220/Preston-7-Colchester-0-Jon-Parkin-scores-hat-trick-managerless-Preston-run-riot.html)

He also had moments of success with Wednesday despite taking them down (and SW twice having winding up orders in court through financial problems) and was replaced by Gary Megson who was also sacked. It's not a Guardiolaesque career but if Everton deemed him good enough to hire to develop their youth team (Barkley, Stone, etc) he's got something about him they saw too. It doesn't mean he will be great but he has some ability.

I admit I am having faith in this because I refuse to believe anyone would purposefully try and destroy their own asset so I'm inclined to believe that there MUST be SOMETHING they see that we don't. But I simply cannot hope or wish we do badly to prove a point - I can't even bet against us, it doesn't feel right. I only want this appointment to come off because it means the club will do well, not because I'm delusional.

In my eyes player acquisitions are more important now; it's not rocket science to see that coaches fortunes come down to who's on the pitch getting results. A manager can't single handedly kill player talent and so it's essential we get some good players in and I think anyone who thinks that a coach has more bearing on a players decision to come to a club than money is daft.
They might have demonstrated after his sacking but his sacking was a result of a run of 1 win in 10 games! For me I would hardly call that firing an overreaction from the club. As for Everton seeing something in him sure I agree with you they saw him as a good coach that can bring players along improving their footballing skills! That is not the qualities we need in the head coach of our first team! Our club is in shambles compared to just 2-3 seasons ago and we needed an experienced appt. that has a history they could point to that demonstrates they have the ability to employ various tactics so a successful game plan can be put together thus if implemented by the players giving us the best chance to win! Entering our 5th season in the league we should not be having a squad full of young inexperienced players in our first team that require the need of having a great teaching, training ground type coach that Terry Burton brags AI is. Sure you want to have some youth in the squad but not so many that you need to cater to their needs in the hiring of the first team coach. By the time they are playing regular first team football in the PL you would hope your first team players are not needing to be trained up and "coached" that's why you employ the likes of AI for your reserve/youth teams so as to prepare them to make that move into the senior squad! But as long as the club won't part ways with KD & DK were not going to be appointing anyone that is established and experienced! I want to see the incriminating photos those two must have of JP doing something very illegal or very embarrassing because nothing else explains why you would keep those two over hiring a solid candidate to give us the best chance to be successful once again!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bagstaff on June 17, 2014, 10:03:06 PM
I hope Irvine realises that given his strong Glaswegian accent that when the team aren't performing on the pitch any half time team talk will end in anarchy, with senior pro's pretending they cant understand him and laughing at him, probably with the encouragement of half of his assistants.

I sincerely wish you the best Alan, unfortunately good guys dont get a look in at west brom no matter how good or bad of a coach you are
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 17, 2014, 10:08:22 PM
(Barkley, Stone, etc)

John Stones was brought to Everton in 2013 from Barnsley so he can hardly be credited with his development..
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Brummie Road on June 17, 2014, 10:17:26 PM
In common with the majority, I was a bit underwhelmed and bemused by the appointment of AI, but he's now our Head Coach and we now have the Coaching and Director of Football Team all in place, and now back at work after the post season break.

Like the majority I would say welcome to the Albion and the very best of luck.

The one comment I would make is we have 4 Coaches who I feel will work well as a unit and all of whom, for numerous reasons, will be very anxious for Albion to have a successful season.

The general consensus appears to be that Albion will sink like a stone, clearly that may happen but my own gut feeling is that things could actually work out surprisingly well (relatively speaking), particularly at it is combined with a Director of Football who will have joined the club with his eyes wide open (as a previous employee and long term friend of Roy Hodgson) and will have had a key role in the two new recruits.

No managerial changes are without risk, and on face value this appears to be a greater than usual risk, but to write off the forthcoming season on the back of an unpopular managerial appointment is jumping the gun in my view.

As I say, the key men are back at work and clearly astute judgement in the transfer market and a pro-active stance on recruitment is paramount and the activity over the next couple of months is critical, as is a, hopefully, positive reaction from our key squad members.

The other point, covered of in another thread, is the huge expertise of our new recruits, in the Academy and development of younger players, which in the medium to long term is likely to be a key issue for clubs like Albion (I know we've taken a "hit" with a couple of departures, but there have been positives as well, with a number of young players breaking into the first team squad).

But the blokes been at work for 1 day, and while admittedly the odds appear stacked against him, I wouldn't write off his chances of success just yet.

A harmonious managerial team (or Coaching team in our case) backed by a supportive Director of Football could actually work out for us here.

As always, time will tell.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: leggy on June 17, 2014, 10:21:43 PM
Not read any posts really don't give a *****. Alan Irvine, FFS what Sunday league has he come from.
If anyone thought JP would actually install a manager who would keep us in the Prem, must be living on another planet. He does NOT want WBA in the Prem.
Sorry got to stop just Baahhhhhhhhhhhhhh whats the use 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: glosterbaggie on June 17, 2014, 10:23:58 PM
You never know how it will pan out.
The majority of "Alternatives" had fail/sacked on CV recently. But sometimes you will get a mix that works.
Here's hoping!  :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bagstaff on June 17, 2014, 10:24:31 PM
Brummie Road I like your optimism

I hope that you are right re bringing young players through as that is irvine/kelly's strength on paper.  However, the recent track record of West Brom managerial reins makes me question whether they will be around long enough for us to reap the rewards

Secondly why do you think the four coaches will work well as a unit?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lickey baggies on June 17, 2014, 10:24:38 PM
I'm still in shock !!!

How did the interview process go ? Sherwood had 2 interviews (same as mel) to then be told that he couldn't bring anyone with him. Some of you can try and put a positive spin on Alan irvines  appointment but IMO  got to be the worst decision that anyone has ever made at Albion . Still haven't got the words to explain how I feel . I renewed after jp interview thinking things would buck up. How wrong was I !
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on June 17, 2014, 10:30:05 PM
I can only hope that a siege mentality kicks in and the whole playing an coaching staff unite to get results, am I confident that's how it will pan out, not at all!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: eaststand on June 17, 2014, 10:44:52 PM
I haven’t posted on this forum before but have been a regular reader for a couple of years and been an Albion supporter for over 40 years.

Like the majority of Albion supporters the appointment of Alan Irvine came as a surprise, shock and disappointment.

However, like it or not, he’s the man chosen to be our new Head Coach. He obviously impressed those tasked with appointing the new man from a long list of applicants and as such deserves to be given the chance to prove himself and have the full backing and support of all Albion fans, just as Pepe Mel did. Few knew much of Pepe Mel before his appointment yet there was no such outcry then. Granted Mel inherited his squad of players but hardly set the world alight whilst our Head Coach, yet for some reason he was instantly well received and liked by the fans.

Irvine deserves the same welcome. All the negativity surrounding him needs to stop. By all means criticize those who appointed him, but what’s going to happen at the first home match of the season when he’s introduced to the fans, what are we all going to do boo him and the new signings. Hardly the encouragement the team needs. It would have been tough enough next season whoever was chosen as Head Coach, but all this negativity isn’t going to help.

Short term nothing is going to change with the Irvine appointment. Fair enough if we’re struggling at the bottom end of the table after a couple of months by all means criticize and call for change, just as I will, but until then give the guy a chance.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 17, 2014, 10:45:53 PM
Some comments from Sheff Wed fans on the OwlsOnline forum (link further down):

"What a boring uninspiring manager he was"
"Let's hope he sells Brunty back to us! He's far too attack minded for Irvine!"
"The keeper is too attack minded for Irvine. I am going to have a fiver on Paul Merson falling asleep on Soccer Saturday during one of their games"
"By far the worst manager I've ever seen at Hillsborough. I still have unwanted flashbacks of his 6-2-2 tactic at home to Bournemouth. We still got outplayed and we're very fortunate to get a point"
"Worst manager we've had in the 24 years I've been going, horrific appointment by WBA"
"Dreadful manager, unbelievable appt by WBA...mental even"
"The cones at the training ground will be sh*****g themselves"
"Will never forgive him for getting us relegated and keeping us in L1, awful, awful "manager" or head coach or whatever title they've given him, worst manager in my time watching Wednesday, by a f*****g country mile!"
"Irvine is, statistically, one of our best managers in the last 2 decades. Just shows how skewed statistics can be"
"One of our biggest gripes with Irvine was the meticulous attention to detail he paid to our opponents, DVD's etc. now that didn't work for us as we were planning to (HMS) **** The League, but for a team like WBA who will be competing in the lower half of the Prem, maybe such an approach to matches would be advantageous? Nah, I'm not sold either, sacked by November IMO"
"Irvine was a complete w****r! He made Gary Megson look like Pep Guardiola"
"To be fair, managing one of the worst teams in the Premier League against the likes of City and Chelsea, his tendency to worry obsessively about the opposition may be a little more justified than it was when he was our manager"

Link: OwlsOnline (http://www.owlsonline.com/?page=forum&thread_id=31482&selpage=0&&limit=15&obf=post_number&obad=ASC)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 17, 2014, 10:52:10 PM
Horrific appointment, cant disagree with that
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggie38 on June 17, 2014, 10:54:39 PM
I will give him a chance and you have made some valid points. I cant help but feel angry and disappointing with people who blame Irvine for taking this opportunity. He simply cant be blamed for it as im sure any sane human being who wants to prove themselves and test themselves at the highest level would of took this opportunity. Alot of people are doing the right thing by blaming Peace the board and Burton as they are the people who need to be blamed for this lackluster appointment as that is who the buck stops with.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 17, 2014, 10:58:11 PM
if we win the first 3 games in style he might win me over
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 17, 2014, 11:05:59 PM
We've got what we've got.
I'm still livid over the appointment and that's not down to AI. To an extent he's as much a victim of this shambles as the rest of us.
Anybody who believes we weren't sleep walked into this latest debacle is living in cloud cuckoo land.
We were set up with baldy's Churchillian speech that he delivered telling us he realised what had gone wrong, he took responsibility and said he would put things right.
The man hadn't even got the guts to release the name of the new coach in a dignified manner, instead issuing a press release at 6.00pm on a Saturday evening a few hours before the biggest game this country has seen for years hoping that it would fall off the radar.
The news was released two weeks after the deadline for retaining season ticket seats. It was released to the press that Sherwood was an imminent appointment. I think Sherwood was also a pawn in this sting, baldy never had any intention of appointing him.
As yet he hasn't even got the guts to attend tomorrows press conference with his new coach instead leaving all the guff to be spouted by another of his yes men
As usual we've gone cheap.
I can't wait to see some of new recruits.
It will be released to the press were looking at all these top names from over Europe and we'll end up with the likes of St Ledger, Nugent and similar stiffs.
The worst part of all this is we can protest all we want but baldy is so distant from the fans it won't make a blind bit of difference.

Sorry if I come across as bitter and twisted but that's exactly what I am



Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 17, 2014, 11:07:54 PM
Just to show that I'm only 99% one-eyed over this, these are from Everton fans:

"Hope he does well, but i fear he won't. He is a great coach but has struggled to impress as a manager and that is a different kettle of fish"
"Don't think WBA have done there homework. Saying he took over the academy in 2011 and then praising him for bringing through Rodwell"
"Nothing against the guy and wish him luck but he isn't a PL manager is he? I'd be surprised if he's still there by Christmas/January"
"Very sorry to see Alan leave us. And a shade mystified as to how WBA came to the conclusion that he was the man for the job. Much though I like him, his CV is hardly groaning with relevant experience and indicators of success. Still I do wish him all the very best"
"Strange out-of-the-blue appointment. He's got a good record as a coach and has done a sterling job with the academy but his previous managerial experiences didn't bode well. Still, wish him well"
"Sad to see him go, but happy for him getting such a big gig"
"Best of luck to him ,deserves another go I reckon.good footballing man"
"hope he does well. Nice to see WBA giving a man who's football knowledge comes before a fancy foreign name"
"he can go in there, clean slate for a lot of em, bring some players in and who knows. The players will enjoy playing for him because he likes to play the game on the carpet but can he also make them hard to beat and dig in when they need to?!"
"Moyes started to lose it when Alan Irvine left for a managers role. No danger of that this time obviously, but the fella is a good egg"
"Really nice bloke actually, done a good job with the academy"
"I'm sure that Irvine is a fantastic coach but I don't think he's a manager. You can't blame him for accepting the job of managing a Premier League side but West Brom are crackers. If they wanted him to come in and develop players they should have given him a technical role. Results are everything in the PL though and I think he'll be well out of his depth"
"Irvine has a decent reputation as a coach, and a mediocre/poor reputation as anything above that
"
"His role as Academy manager didn't see him have much contact with Moyes, as he was office based, not on the training field (which is why he left us to go WBA, he wanted to go back to coaching) and everyone knows Moyes was only bothered about the first team and nothing else"

Links:
NSNO (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=44947.0)
ToffeeWeb (http://toffeeweb.com/season/13-14/news/27700.html)
Grand Old Team (http://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/alan-irvine-to-wba-report-from-the-times.67978/)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: alex1 on June 17, 2014, 11:15:14 PM
Could be any number of reasons he wasn't promoted. The first one being maybe Martinez is better than Irvine? Would you pick Clarke over Mourinho? I'm not sure what you're trying to prove by saying they picked someone over someone else, there's a lot of people better than others, what difference does it make?

 Maybe Everton were looking for a manager not a head coach? It's not rocket science, nor is it proof that he's terrible because he wasn't made manager of Everton - that proves nothing. If he was dreadful Everton would have sacked him from his youth role.
And the comments (via Burton) that the staff at Everton would be gutted about losing him!! Really! Fact is I can't recall anybody from Everton even talking about him being a candidate for Moyes job.  How do you think Everton fans might respond if the next time the Manager's job at Everton was vacant, their board approached Downing? So are Everton supposed to be on another level to WBA?? I can't recall Albion being beaten by Everton last season and can recall us beating them the season before.

I'm afraid Burton may not come out of this well. JP is obviously the man doing the sums, but Burton is the football brains advising JP.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: swad35 on June 17, 2014, 11:27:15 PM
Criticism of his credentials and abilities doesn't necessarily mean he won't be given a chance by the majority of fans. I would be disappointed to hear if he got AI out songs at any of our initial games.

However pointing out his weakness on this forum is the only way to highlight one the most strangest appointments in our recent history. All the luck in the world to AI. I wished PM all the luck in the world aswell and look where that got him.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on June 18, 2014, 01:40:59 AM
if we win the first 3 games in style he might win me over

That'll be a bloody miracle. Do we even have enough players to put a team out?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: baggiedave on June 18, 2014, 07:14:30 AM
Hi, my biggest concern about Irvine is this, how is he going to attract the 9 players of experience and quality, that we desperately need right now, for starters we need at least 25 first team squad players for the premiership. We have only 16 on the books. Secondly the Villa are showing the ambition necessary, by signing 4 players already to our 1, and Randy as said the Villa are up for sale, so what does that tell you. At the moment, i can only predict finishing 20th next term.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: hardtobeat on June 18, 2014, 08:24:57 AM
 Has the press conference been  cancelled yet? It bloody well should have been >:( >:( . 4 days on and still unable to comprehend how he got anywhere near the job. Reading the Evertonian comments only adds fuel to the fire. Despite seeming to be liked there are no ringing endorsements or confidence in his ability to do the job.
  It also looks as though his ability to bring players through has been exaggerated in some quarters withe the names of Rodwell and Stones being quoted neither of whom would be down to AI.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 18, 2014, 08:34:55 AM
In common with the majority, I was a bit underwhelmed and bemused by the appointment of AI, but he's now our Head Coach and we now have the Coaching and Director of Football Team all in place, and now back at work after the post season break.

Like the majority I would say welcome to the Albion and the very best of luck.

The one comment I would make is we have 4 Coaches who I feel will work well as a unit and all of whom, for numerous reasons, will be very anxious for Albion to have a successful season.

The general consensus appears to be that Albion will sink like a stone, clearly that may happen but my own gut feeling is that things could actually work out surprisingly well (relatively speaking), particularly at it is combined with a Director of Football who will have joined the club with his eyes wide open (as a previous employee and long term friend of Roy Hodgson) and will have had a key role in the two new recruits.

No managerial changes are without risk, and on face value this appears to be a greater than usual risk, but to write off the forthcoming season on the back of an unpopular managerial appointment is jumping the gun in my view.

As I say, the key men are back at work and clearly astute judgement in the transfer market and a pro-active stance on recruitment is paramount and the activity over the next couple of months is critical, as is a, hopefully, positive reaction from our key squad members.

The other point, covered of in another thread, is the huge expertise of our new recruits, in the Academy and development of younger players, which in the medium to long term is likely to be a key issue for clubs like Albion (I know we've taken a "hit" with a couple of departures, but there have been positives as well, with a number of young players breaking into the first team squad).

But the blokes been at work for 1 day, and while admittedly the odds appear stacked against him, I wouldn't write off his chances of success just yet.

A harmonious managerial team (or Coaching team in our case) backed by a supportive Director of Football could actually work out for us here.

As always, time will tell.

Put infinitely better than I was able to, well done mate.

I was saying to one of the Mods the other day about how I would not be surprised if we treat the coaching set up much like we did the team - not big names with big reputations but 'coaching gems' scattered accross clubs with various expertise. We would then have a TEAM of coaches with a Head Coach (or even the Director of Football) as a figurehead but essentially we have a unit of coaches who know what they're doing. This would then allow us to change elements of the team without ceremonious sackings of a single scapegoat. Everyone has a responsibility and sticks to their expertise so that we don't get more cases of player dissent.

I'm not saying that's what this is but could quite easily see it manifesting with the emphasis the club puts into individuals coaching abilities.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: blue on June 18, 2014, 08:39:30 AM
Terry Burton really is trying to justify Irvines appointment , but he is just making it seem more stupid every time he opens his mouth.
He says Irvine is an excellent coach. Ok terry but his head coach experience is poor.
He says Everton are really disappointed to lose him. Really , I dont think their bothered either way.
Theirs nobody works harder than Alan , Burton says , great but does that mean he is a tactical genius or he has great man management skills. Sheff Wednesday fans will tell us they didn't see it.

I dont see on what grounds Alan Irvine has got this job.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: BB74 on June 18, 2014, 09:10:26 AM
First interview with Alan Irvine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qavIsKESphM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qavIsKESphM)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: mulliganstired on June 18, 2014, 09:14:16 AM
What would the feeling be if after Clarke's sacking Downing and Keily had stayed in charge and kept us up, there'd have been none of the Mel circus, and then quietly brought in Irvine at the end of the season.  Lots of moans and groans, Clarke clone comments, Peace is a tightwad, we're going down etc, certainly, but I don't think there would have been this level of bile and anger, would there?  I'm not justifying it, just trying to make sense of it.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on June 18, 2014, 09:47:04 AM
What would the feeling be if after Clarke's sacking Downing and Keily had stayed in charge and kept us up, there'd have been none of the Mel circus, and then quietly brought in Irvine at the end of the season.  Lots of moans and groans, Clarke clone comments, Peace is a tightwad, we're going down etc, certainly, but I don't think there would have been this level of bile and anger, would there?  I'm not justifying it, just trying to make sense of it.

You make a good point there. I think the statement lauding Pepe Mel when we appointed him was a joke. All this business about playing the Albion way etc etc was embarrassing. It is also half the reason people didn't want to see Mel sacked because they believed they were going to get exciting football.

Let's face it Irvine is never going to manage to be as loved as Mel was for these reasons along with others.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on June 18, 2014, 10:14:00 AM
I think it's incredibly unsubtle, and frankly insulting that WBA leak Lescott medical on the morning of the presser to divert from disastrous appt.

Shocker.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 18, 2014, 10:17:40 AM
I think it's incredibly unsubtle, and frankly insulting that WBA leak Lescott medical on the morning of the presser to divert from disastrous appt.

Shocker.

Laughing! Imagine sharing good news with the supporters just when everyone was getting ready to storm the gates and burn the East Stand down in a Hammer Horror film stylee.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: charliemike on June 18, 2014, 10:17:47 AM
Football is about players . People moan when we don't sign em, and when we do they moan . If lescott comes I will be delighted . If he has 2 good years left in him great .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 18, 2014, 10:21:29 AM
I think it's incredibly unsubtle, and frankly insulting that WBA leak Lescott medical on the morning of the presser to divert from disastrous appt.

Shocker.

It was the press who've leaked it and as there appears to be some sort of interaction with the player on their part, suggests they've been digging too.

'Insulting' or not, Lescott would be a good acquisition, and to suggest that the club and the press don't give good news when it arrives and waits until you've all had chance to burn down the Hawthorns is silly - what should they do, sign him, not tell anyone and surprise us in August?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 18, 2014, 10:27:22 AM
I think it's incredibly unsubtle, and frankly insulting that WBA leak Lescott medical on the morning of the presser to divert from disastrous appt.

Shocker.

Christ! I've only just realised you were being serious. Sorry I wouldn't have posted such a tongue in cheek response.

By all means go ahead and be offended by a sign of progress. It's entirely your prerogative.

Me, I'm chuffed and will be even more so if it actually comes off.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 18, 2014, 10:34:19 AM
It is also half the reason people didn't want to see Mel sacked because they believed they were going to get exciting football.
And he would have delivered it, had he been kept on and the club backed him with suitable players during the summer.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on June 18, 2014, 11:09:39 AM
And he would have delivered it, had he been kept on and the club backed him with suitable players during the summer.

He may well have delivered it, in the shape of Rodgers at Swansea or Mowbray with us though? Nobody knows and that is what gets at some people I suppose.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 18, 2014, 11:20:34 AM
All this stuff about Lescott signing, let's hope it's not another false dawn etc like the Sherwood fiasco, and we end up with some guy from the Wycombe youth academy.

My only concern about lescott is he is very injury prone, and will he be able to stay injury free, or are potentially signing another Sick note from Man City like we did with Sinclair.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on June 18, 2014, 11:21:08 AM
People missing my point slightly - I think Lescott would be an excellent addition.

My gripe is that WBA have leaked this (along with journo digging) on the morning of the press conference, in ab it to divert some of the attention away.

I'll repeat again - Lescott good signing. Timing of leak, to me, smacks of diversion tactics.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on June 18, 2014, 11:27:53 AM
or are the press leaking it so they have more ammo for the presser?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on June 18, 2014, 11:29:03 AM
People missing my point slightly - I think Lescott would be an excellent addition.

My gripe is that WBA have leaked this (along with journo digging) on the morning of the press conference, in ab it to divert some of the attention away.

I'll repeat again - Lescott good signing. Timing of leak, to me, smacks of diversion tactics.

That is quite a theory.

It's not abnormal for us to hear about a transfer the day before it is apparently set to be completed, in fact that is pretty normal for us.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 18, 2014, 11:45:55 AM
That is quite a theory.

It's not abnormal for us to hear about a transfer the day before it is apparently set to be completed, in fact that is pretty normal for us.

Whatever happened to due diligence eh? pfff  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 18, 2014, 12:14:20 PM
Must admit after a few minutes Burton comes accross a lot worse than Irvine speaking to the media.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Legend on June 18, 2014, 12:19:34 PM
Good press conference, think Irvine will do a good job here.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on June 18, 2014, 12:29:20 PM
15 minute presser.

"Quick, on and off before we get any difficult questions in front of the cameras."

Paper Q&As much easier to manipulate. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 18, 2014, 12:35:22 PM
15 minute presser.

"Quick, on and off before we get any difficult questions in front of the cameras."

Paper Q&As much easier to manipulate.

In all fairness the papers have to sell stories that aren't already in the public domain hence a private press section. They had chance to ask questions on air and in front of cameras and didn't take it really. Rest assured pressing questions will be asked but in the broadcast section I'd say he sounded confident and assured, unlike Burton.

What would have embarrassed them? Being asked why they picked him? It's pretty much what TB was asked and he said 'coaching ability'. I doubt they'll be embarrassed really. The press even tried to draw Irvine into commenting on not appearing to be first choice live and he handled it well.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wba_jd26 on June 18, 2014, 01:13:19 PM
I had an open mind to Irvine and am willing to wait and see what he achieves. But I must say he has come across very well so far. My main thought us that a 'head coach' role will suit him better than being a manager. With the staff behind the scenes working to recruit players he can focus on coaching, and I dont think anyone can argue on pedigree and from how people talk of him, that he is a very good coach.

I am starting to think that this could work. We have an important month ahead, lets see who we bring in. So far Gardner is an improvement on reid, and if lescott comes off, lescott is an improvement on Lugano. I would rather we improve the squad as a whole than spend big and pin our hopes on one player.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 18, 2014, 01:19:05 PM
Good press conference, think Irvine will do a good job here.
Where can you see the press conference please?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on June 18, 2014, 01:23:08 PM
It's good to see us been able to begin to gain some understanding on why he was appointed (coaching and football related issues rather that financial motives).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Greenock Baggie on June 18, 2014, 01:29:24 PM
It's good to see us been able to begin to gain some understanding on why he was appointed (coaching and football related issues rather that financial motives).
Well its obvious they wouldnt go on national TV and say, Yes we got Alan because he was the cheapest option  ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WSBaggie on June 18, 2014, 01:32:51 PM
Well its obvious they wouldnt go on national TV and say, Yes we got Alan because he was the cheapest option  ??? ??? ???

You including many others have been asking what qualifies him to get this job and they have given a few answers. How else do you expect to gain an understanding if it is not coming out of the club officially?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: kirk on June 18, 2014, 01:53:40 PM
Stunned at the press conferance ...... was that a media PR manager sitting at the table? Where has he been hiding the last year?
As for Alan Irvine ....... F off !!!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Blandy on June 18, 2014, 01:55:22 PM
Just a small point but each of the last few 'managers' have been appointed as Head Coach, and each one has been  an 'outstanding' or 'highly respected' coach according to the club.

Is Irvine a better coach than Clarke? Than Hodgson? Than Mel? Who knows. I would have thought now his success or failure will be determined more by what he has to work with than anything else. This summer's (or what's left of it) recruitment will be paramount.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 18, 2014, 01:57:15 PM
How else do you expect to gain an understanding if it is not coming out of the club officially?
I don't expect to gain an understanding, because they won't give genuine answers. They hardly ever do in such circumstances.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: peacebewithu on June 18, 2014, 01:57:28 PM
I think people are getting misled by this 'Head Coach' thing, it's just a term. The 'Head Coach' ,unfortuantly in our case AI will still be responsible for team selection,tactics,substitutions etc, like any other football manager. Obviously Burton and Irvine in the Press Conference where stressing coaching  as one the main reasons that got him the job because his record as a manager was failure at both clubs he was at. I agree Irvine sounds like a nice guy,but he is out of his depth and seems oblivious of what he's letting himself in for, Burton on the other hand  could hardly string a sentence together. Then again he probably thought it would be the Chairman handling the presentation of a New Manager/Head Coach , because that's what proper Football Clubs do.  He'll soon learn.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 18, 2014, 01:59:38 PM
Stunned at the press conferance ...... was that a media PR manager sitting at the table? Where has he been hiding the last year?
As for Alan Irvine ....... F off !!!

What's he done to upset you Kirk other than accept a job that he's been offered?

It really does come across as cheap, this Alan Irvine stuff, more suited to the Custard wearing ones or the seals from Witton.

And as for telling him to F off when all he has done in the job so far is attend a press conference, that seems very harsh.

He is in post now, why not try supporting him and then if he fails you can slate for all you're worth but right now given that he has been here for only a day or so it seems so unjustified.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 18, 2014, 02:01:11 PM
I have accepted Irvine because i have too.I am also going to re locate my seat by Jeremy
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 18, 2014, 02:01:43 PM
I don't expect to gain an understanding, because they won't give genuine answers. They hardly ever do in such circumstances.

Seems to me the only answer acceptable to you would be the one you already believe so as to justify your anger and outrage.

Really it's pointless you listening to what they say as you are of a mind to reject it whatever the case.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B_H_Baggie on June 18, 2014, 02:01:55 PM
Stunned at the press conferance ...... was that a media PR manager sitting at the table? Where has he been hiding the last year?
As for Alan Irvine ....... F off !!!

Totally uncalled for. The guy applied for the job and was given it, he has done nothing to deserve that kind of comment. Aim your disappointment at those that gave him the job if you feel the need.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wba1993dave on June 18, 2014, 02:05:12 PM
He comes across well to be fair and he could actually lure Lescott in, but still can't hide away from his  failures at Sheff Wed and Preston. Maybe with a better structure and better players it might work. I will give him a chance and hope he proves me wrong.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 18, 2014, 02:06:07 PM
Totally uncalled for. The guy applied for the job and was given it, he has done nothing to deserve that kind of comment. Aim your disappointment at those that gave him the job if you feel the need.

Agree 100%. That kind of classless nonsense has to stop.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: seteefeet on June 18, 2014, 02:49:19 PM
Leeds just appointed a guy who was sacked by Forest Green, how on earth did we miss him????  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: swad35 on June 18, 2014, 03:28:46 PM
To be fair the snippets I've seen of AI in the press conference he said the right things, I don't think he will take any sh*t from the players and he MAY have taken some part in the POSSIBLE signing of a quality centre half.

Deep breathe, he might be ok. Give him a chance.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 18, 2014, 03:29:56 PM
Leeds just appointed a guy who was sacked by Forest Green, how on earth did we miss him????  ;)

Too expensive
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 18, 2014, 03:45:26 PM
I think people are getting misled by this 'Head Coach' thing, it's just a term. The 'Head Coach' ,unfortuantly in our case AI will still be responsible for team selection,tactics,substitutions etc, like any other football manager. Obviously Burton and Irvine in the Press Conference where stressing coaching  as one the main reasons that got him the job because his record as a manager was failure at both clubs he was at.
"There wouldn’t be a player who comes in who I don’t want here. I will rubber-stamp all transfers. The role means I will pick the team and I will be trying to identify players, with the help of Terry and the board. It will be like a manager’s job but without the extras like player’s contracts and things like that. There will be a lot more focus on what happens on the training pitch" Alan Irvine - 18/06/2014

Link: Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-bromwich-albion-alan-irvines-7288169)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: charliemike on June 18, 2014, 03:46:35 PM
There are some fans on here who show they would be better off 7 miles down the road with the morons there . When I hear the rubbish from there mouths it makes me hope our new gaffer makes a job of it . Get off his back and give him a chance I say . What happened to the Albion sense of fair play .
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Albionic on June 18, 2014, 03:47:43 PM
Too expensive
I talk to a Leeds fan on the train to work, he took the **** proper on monday / tuesday, what a pleasant journey it was this morning!! 40 minutes flew by!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: maximus on June 18, 2014, 03:56:20 PM
After much thinking and consideration along with hearing him talk, I think all he done was apply for the job, He seems a decent coach who favours the training ground aspect of management, And let's be honest that was the issue the players had with Mel was the communication with idea's, We have a core set of players who are grown adults who need tactical awareness, Like Brunt stop drifting in, Morrison actually doing something productive, Mulumbu giving silly free-kicks etc.

It's the training ground where they spend all day everyday at, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt as we have a good set of players who just need to nail down a position and iron out some chinks, My only issue will be when things are going wrong and he'll take the flack for it rather than the players.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 18, 2014, 04:03:45 PM
"There wouldn’t be a player who comes in who I don’t want here. I will rubber-stamp all transfers. The role means I will pick the team and I will be trying to identify players, with the help of Terry and the board. It will be like a manager’s job but without the extras like player’s contracts and things like that. There will be a lot more focus on what happens on the training pitch" Alan Irvine - 18/06/2014

Link: Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-bromwich-albion-alan-irvines-7288169)

What a disgrace, I want him to focus on trivial matters.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 18, 2014, 04:10:15 PM
What a disgrace, I want him to focus on trivial matters.
A number of people have been trying to emphasise that he'll be coaching rather than managing and, therefore, what happened at Preston and Sheff Wed is irrelevant. I haven't seen any Preston and Sheff Wed fans complaining about his contract negotation skills, so his match-related performance at those clubs certainly is relevant, as he has now indicated himself. You can spare me the sarcasm too - I haven't directed any towards you.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 18, 2014, 04:15:07 PM
A number of people have been trying to emphasise that he'll be coaching rather than managing and, therefore, what happened at Preston and Sheff Wed is irrelevant. I haven't seen any Preston and Sheff Wed fans complaining about his contract negotation skills, so his match-related performance at those clubs certainly is relevant, as he has now indicated himself. You can spare me the sarcasm too - I haven't directed any towards you.

It's not directed at you either it's a tongue in cheek response to more positive news, nothing aimed at you apologies. Those fans did say his signings were poor however which is valid here.

James Nursey the mirror correspondent posted this:

@JamesNursey: Was at #WBA today. After speaking to Irvine & Burton , the 'shock' decision certainly made more sense. Bound to be better than Mel!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 18, 2014, 04:28:12 PM
It's not directed at you either it's a tongue in cheek response to more positive news, nothing aimed at you apologies
No worries.

@JamesNursey: Was at #WBA today. After speaking to Irvine & Burton , the 'shock' decision certainly made more sense. Bound to be better than Mel!
I'm sure we can still agree on our disdain for James Nursey's ridiculously simplistic put-down of Pepe Mel at least!  :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on June 18, 2014, 04:31:43 PM
we all know he was deemed to have failed at both Preston and Sheff Wed and at Sheff Wed there doesn't seem to be much of an argument but the Preston failure does slightly baffle me, hear me out before i get shot down i am just trying to even it out for a bloke who's only mistake for people to dislike him is the fact he got offered a job and accepted it,

he kept Preston up and then the following year took them to the play offs whic they lost, he then thought as 99.9% of us did that he was getting our job (RDM GOT IT) which may have affected how he looked at things and with also the play off loss effect he had a bad start and ultimately paid the price with the sack,

Sheff Wed were in a mess and probably wondering why he took the job but started well they then hit a bad patch where they drew a lot then ultimately went 7 games (i believe) without a win leading to him being sacked, at the time according to the article this report was in they were 7 points of the play offs but only 5 points of relegation but really had to put up with lots of stuff behind the scenes

so although he was no ones choice i think having calmed down the bloke deserves a chance at least as some of the things said about him are not the fan base i'm used too were better than that are we not

the article was in the Star (sheffield one i think local paper)   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 18, 2014, 04:33:48 PM
No worries.
I'm sure we can still agree on our disdain for James Nursey's ridiculously simplistic put-down of Pepe Mel at least!  :D

Too right, but we've come to expect it from that rag.

In other news, and for Spencer who was fuming over the 15 minute conference and Peace's absence, he was there and answered questions about the hiring of Irvine.

http://www.freeradio.co.uk/news/uncategorized/jeremy-peace-exclusive/
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 18, 2014, 04:35:27 PM
Sheff Wed were in a mess and probably wondering why he took the job but started well they then hit a bad patch where they drew a lot then ultimately went 7 games (i believe) without a win leading to him being sacked, at the time according to the article this report was in they were 7 points of the play offs but only 5 points of relegation but really had to put up with lots of stuff behind the scenes
You're missing that they got relegated from the Championship with him in charge and he was then sacked with them 12th or 13th in League 1 the following season (in January 2011).

I suspect he'll have to put up with lots of stuff behind the scenes at Albion as well!  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: monkey nuts on June 18, 2014, 04:39:57 PM
as i say should have checked properly but the article stated he was sacked before but i could have misunderstood and may have meant sacked before exciting league 1 i'll try and find it out  :D
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Paulsammax on June 18, 2014, 04:46:16 PM
Like many I was surprised by the appointment as I thought the sherwood appointment was going through. However, I would rather not have someone who is simply accepting a job here until something better comes along. I'm frankly appalled by some of the comments on here aimed at Alan Irvine. I've supported this wonderful club for 40 years and one thing that we are normally good at is welcoming new people and giving them a chance. Remember, we were the club  that embraced black footballers when other clubs so called fans were openly chanting racist abuse.  We have always been a class above that but this week I think some on here have not acted in the spirit of true Albion fans. In view of this I think those of us who want to welcome our new Head Coach should post their greetings and give the guy a chance
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ian66 on June 18, 2014, 04:47:32 PM
He comes across well to be fair and he could actually lure Lescott in, but still can't hide away from his  failures at Sheff Wed and Preston. Maybe with a better structure and better players it might work. I will give him a chance and hope he proves me wrong.
This quote from The Birmingham Mail wrote by Ally Robertson regarding AI appointment.

”And if you look closely at what happened at his previous clubs then the Preston fans were certainly unhappy about his sacking after he had taken them into the play-offs. And at Sheffield Wednesday the club were cutting costs and on a downward spiral before he arrived. He was given precious little time to turn it around.

“He needed a magic wand there.”

Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 18, 2014, 04:51:06 PM
Totally with your sentiments.

Welcome Alan, and good luck. It's a great club, I hope you're here for a long time because if you are it will mean we're doing well.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 18, 2014, 04:52:15 PM
In other news, and for Spencer who was fuming over the 15 minute conference and Peace's absence, he was there and answered questions about the hiring of Irvine.

http://www.freeradio.co.uk/news/uncategorized/jeremy-peace-exclusive/
You can't help but think he should have been in the press conference if he was there. I didn't expect much from a Tom Ross interview and he didn't disappoint! One obvious question that wasn't asked was "what are you going to do to engage better with the fans?".
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 18, 2014, 04:52:59 PM
This quote from The Birmingham Mail wrote by Ally Robertson regarding AI appointment.

”And if you look closely at what happened at his previous clubs then the Preston fans were certainly unhappy about his sacking after he had taken them into the play-offs. And at Sheffield Wednesday the club were cutting costs and on a downward spiral before he arrived. He was given precious little time to turn it around.

“He needed a magic wand there.”

Yes. Someone called Ali Rob's remarks patronising.i asked them to explain as I don't  see them that way but I don't think they ever responded (can't remember who it was).
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBArgo on June 18, 2014, 05:00:22 PM
Some of our fans need to grow up and accept he's our manager. Yes, it seems like an awful decision but at least give him a few games to prove himself before you moan at him...
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 18, 2014, 05:03:28 PM
You can't help but think he should have been in the press conference if he was there. I didn't expect much from a Tom Ross interview and he didn't disappoint! One obvious question that wasn't asked was "what are you going to do to engage better with the fans?".

CL has said he interviewed Peace too so we may get something more there. Tom might as well have asked what he's having for tea. But that said I don't see the arrogance, ignorance and cluelessness that he's apparently guilty of.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 18, 2014, 05:05:12 PM
Yes. Someone called Ali Rob's remarks patronising.i asked them to explain as I don't  see them that way but I don't think they ever responded (can't remember who it was).
It was me and I did respond.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Quakes Fan on June 18, 2014, 05:09:41 PM
I don't want to stir things, but my Dad's friend used to be involved with Everton behind the scenes and is still a regular face around the place and i believe he's a ST holder still, and he told my Dad that even in the Everton Youth Squads he was regarded as a 3rd rate coach and he wasn't thought of highly by the board at all. He also thinks that is an absolutely disasterous appointment and we're very likely to be relegated.

Why would they keep him on?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 18, 2014, 05:16:24 PM
Why would they keep him on?

And re-hire him after he left them the first time?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Dan on June 18, 2014, 05:48:54 PM
Let's just hope we can get the Lescott signing in. Getting a player like that on board early in his career here will go some way to getting fans on board.

Impressed with his interviews too, said all the right things, very likeable guy too which will help him win the fans over.

I said it a few days ago but I think he'll do well here, and definitely a better option than Sherwood who I'm certain would have been a proper disaster.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 18, 2014, 06:07:51 PM
CL has said he interviewed Peace too so we may get something more there. Tom might as well have asked what he's having for tea. But that said I don't see the arrogance, ignorance and cluelessness that he's apparently guilty of.
A bit harsh on Tom Ross that I don't think he's that clueless.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Chipperfan on June 18, 2014, 06:13:06 PM
It was me and I did respond.

Sorry, didn't see it. Do you mind telling me again?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: bry on June 18, 2014, 06:20:44 PM
Starting to calm down a little after hearing Irvine speak. My anger was never with him. If Lescott signs I will better again. I just don't wont this fragile cooling of my ire to change again with say Lescott ending up somewhere else or poor or no signings soon.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 18, 2014, 06:25:08 PM
Sorry, didn't see it. Do you mind telling me again?
I can't honestly remember what I said. Go into my profile, display my posts and you should find it there without too much trouble.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wbarenno on June 18, 2014, 06:53:31 PM
If the lescott deal breaks down all hell will break loose i think. This has been leaked because they must know its pretty close (i hope)
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: wardy65 on June 18, 2014, 07:24:39 PM
Aah ... How refreshing to read a few positive posts on here at last!

The guys in place now, let's get behind him & give him (& the club) the best chance possible.
If we can get Lescott, it'll be huge for the guy & a real statement of intent!
All the best Alan, after the initial shock I'm warming to ya!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Standaman on June 18, 2014, 08:29:36 PM
A few considered  thoughts on the Irvine appointment

http://lookbackinmildbewilderment.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/have-little-faith.html

In short there is no point in getting on guys case before he has even has the chance to pick a team and if he fails it will only be to the detriment of the club, as fan I can only wish him well and hope he suceeds
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 18, 2014, 08:36:04 PM
Irvine has said we will need new faces if we are to play the kind of football he likes to play, gulp :o

Anyway besides that Mr Irvine, we need some new faces if we are even to field a side and the subs, bit of a silly statement to start you career off with old boy  >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: spencer Baggie on June 18, 2014, 08:44:15 PM
Irvine has said we will need new faces if we are to play the kind of football he likes to play, gulp :o

Anyway besides that Mr Irvine, we need some new faces if we are even to field a side and the subs, bit of a silly statement to start you career off with old boy  >:(

Isn't that what Pepe said?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B_H_Baggie on June 18, 2014, 08:47:24 PM
We'll need new faces in to play any kind of football given the threadbare squad.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 18, 2014, 08:55:40 PM
In fairness I think he came across well in the interview, and can handle himself better than burton and peace, not sure about his coaching skills though, but we will soon find out.

But why oh why oh why do the press keep saying we are protesting against his appointment, it is NOT not not  that, not solely anyway! it is against how peace is running the club and snubbing the fans at the moment. FFS  >:(
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 18, 2014, 09:14:55 PM
In fairness I think he came across well in the interview, and can handle himself better than burton and peace, not sure about his coaching skills though, but we will soon find out.

But why oh why oh why do the press keep saying we are protesting against his appointment, it is NOT not not  that, not solely anyway! it is against how peace is running the club and snubbing the fans at the moment. FFS  >:(

This annoys me, too. I've nothing against Irvine as such - I'm FULLY expecting the worst, but who KNOWS yet?

It's entirely the seemingly ramshackle way we do business and the lack of communication with the fans. No matter how lofty a Chairman might think himself I DO believe it should be their duty to look after their customers. Which is precisely what we are.

Sky or not, no customers, no club.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on June 18, 2014, 09:53:49 PM
Why would they keep him on?

A good point, as well as the other reply which asked why they would re-hire him. Answer is i don't know, as i said i back him and will give him a chance, i just thought that i would share an opinion of someone who was at a point very much ITK at Everton.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: addy on June 18, 2014, 10:47:56 PM
Good read, intresting that Irvine didnt even apply for the job.. we approached him.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-biggest-mistake-not-7291011

New Albion boss discusses his managerial record, reaction to his appointment and how he turned down the Baggies job in 2009

Alan Irvine is unveiled as the new West Browich Head Coach at the Hawthorns
It was earlier this year that Alan Irvine confessed all to an audience.

And the Mea Culpa moment came in one of the East Stand banqueting suites at The Hawthorns.

Addressing a League Managers’ Association seminar, the 55-year-old was speaking to a collection of football managers, coaches and other luminaries.

And then came the question: “What’s your biggest regret in football?”

Without hesitation came the reply: “Not taking this job five years ago.”

That Irvine’s next visit to B71 should be for his unveiling is an irony not lost on the newly installed Baggies head coach.

Irvine has finally revealed - with no denial from Albion on this occasion - that he did, in fact, turn the club down in 2009, effectively handing the keys to Roberto Di Matteo.

This time he didn’t apply for the job.

Albion, remembering the conversations they had with him following Tony Mowbray’s departure five summers ago, decided to head-hunt the Glaswegian.

Irvine said: “I didn’t apply for this job... they came for me.

“I don’t know whether it (being so close to getting the job five years ago) had an influence but it was very close for me back then.

“Ironically I was actually here a few months ago doing a presentation for the LMA.

“I was asked ‘what’s your biggest mistake or regret in football?’

“I said ‘not taking this job’ - that was back in February this year - and it was in this very same stand that I’m stood in now. I never thought I’d be back here as a boss.

“There were a few different things that came together at that time which didn’t feel right but it remains my biggest mistake.

“But I wasn’t going to make that same mistake again.”

Irvine’s appointment has not gone down well among many fans.

Supporters were expecting a bigger name. Some were seduced by Tim Sherwood’s ‘passion’, others simply wanted other people to be appointed. In truth there was probably no obvious stand-out candidate.

A day after Albion appointed Irvine, Southampton announced their appointment of Ronald Koeman - the Dutch legend, former boss of Ajax and Benfica.

Irvine, a former Everton and Blackburn winger, has a more modest managerial CV. Spells at Preston and Sheffield Wednesday reveal a tale of two sackings.

Perception isn’t always all that it seems.

Irvine has worked as a coach alongside the likes of Kenny Dalglish, Ray Harford and David Moyes.

He appreciates that he isn’t the ‘sexy’ name many supporters wanted to see unveiled by their club.

“I’m not totally surprised,” said Irvine when informed that he wasn’t the popular choice.

“I doubt I was the name on everybody’s list and I understand. I know what fans feel. I’m sure they would have had different names on their mind but the fact is that this has now happened and I will do the best I can to get the best results.

“I am extremely thorough, hard-working and I don’t leave anything to chance.

“Many things can be controlled and prepared on the training ground. If the players know their jobs, their responsibilities, then you can do well.

“Yes, there is an element of luck - you can hit a team in a great run of form and hit a team on a bad run of form. But I believe in hard-work and making sure we’re thorough.”

When asked about his two previous spells as boss, he added: “The biggest thing about Preston was that it (the sacking) came as such a big surprise.

“I came in when the team were bottom of the League. We were in a position where it didn’t look like we could avoid relegation yet we managed to stay up. The next season we were in the play-offs and the following season we were in a similar position to where we’d been the year before and it came out of the blue: that was a shock.

“I got the Wednesday job within a week of leaving Preston. I took over a team that was struggling. We had to win 11 of our last 22 games, which is pretty much winning the league-type of form. We failed on the last day. We were top of the League when Milan (Mandaric) came in but he chose to make a change. At that point I did take a break.”

His spell as a coach to Moyes at Goodison Park often saw him perceived as the ‘good cop’ to Moyes’ bad cop.

Again, perception isn’t all that it seems.

“I am from Glasgow and I’m a bad tempered Scotsman when I want to be,” he said.

“But I was given some great advice when I started coaching: Kenny Dalglish said ‘if you spend you’re whole time shouting at people they stop listening’. I’ve worked for managers and coaches who do that and it’s true, but it doesn’t mean you have to be soft.

“My only message is: keep supporting us - give us a chance.

“I know I’m under pressure and only results on the pitch will do that.

“I also know the Albion fans are incredibly passionate but I’m incredibly passionate too so hopefully together we can have success.”

 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: AllBlackBaggie on June 19, 2014, 12:01:58 AM
Suck it up fans - I have a feeling this new coach is going to surprise.  If he does, you read it here first!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: lewisant on June 19, 2014, 12:19:31 AM
What is this feeling of optimism inside me, i need to shake it off! A Jolean Lescott transfer collapse and an England loss tomorrow should ground me!!

I feel another positive that hasn't been mentioned, could be that IF this does work, we may have found a long-term head coach.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: tuamigos on June 19, 2014, 06:25:35 AM
Well he says all the right things.
Hope it cpmes off for him.......................and us!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: HampshireBaggie on June 19, 2014, 09:39:51 AM
Am I the only one who's come around to Alan Irvine?
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: B_H_Baggie on June 19, 2014, 09:42:02 AM
Very interesting that he didn't even apply for the job we went in for him. He must have felt that his days as a number 1 were over so this is likely to be his last real chance at it so he will likely feel that he has a point to prove.

Quite frankly he now needs to be backed fully in the transfer market as the squad is threadbare as things stand, someone like Lescott will be a good start but we would need to build on that or it won't have mattered who the head coach was.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on June 19, 2014, 09:43:02 AM
Am I the only one who's come around to Alan Irvine?

Seems to be a few who have been sucked in by the club's bulls*** / PR machine over the last few days.

The overwhelming odds are that Irvine will end up getting sacked, I've not seen or heard anything to convince me otherwise.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on June 19, 2014, 09:43:55 AM
Am I the only one who's come around to Alan Irvine?

As underwhelmed and angry as I am at the appointment, I actually feel more confident with AI at the helm than I did with Mel strangely enough.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Lloydy on June 19, 2014, 09:44:18 AM
Very interesting that he didn't even apply for the job we went in for him.

I'd love to know how poor the pool of 40+ applicants was that we felt the need to headhunt Alan Irvine.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 19, 2014, 09:54:29 AM
If we win the games we are expected to at the start of the season then he will get some grace.God help us and him if Sunderland beat us
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 19, 2014, 10:05:26 AM
Ferdinand and Ramsey have just left their coaching roles at Tottenham - interesting considering they could have done that, saved us some compensation payments and them freeing up money for their own moves.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Standaman on June 19, 2014, 10:10:25 AM
Seems to be a few who have been sucked in by the club's bullsh*t / PR machine over the last few days.

The overwhelming odds are that Irvine will end up getting sacked, I've not seen or heard anything to convince me otherwise.

The problem is the club hasn't got a PR machine if it did it would probably not appointed Irvine in the first place because the fan reaction was as predictable as it was depressing. A few fans are prepared to give Irvine a chance and you never know they might be right and they are as likely to be right as the doom mongers. I certainly will back him to have a better record than Mel on a points per game basis and I would also back him to be in post this time next year.   
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 19, 2014, 10:16:03 AM
The problem is the club hasn't got a PR machine if it did it would probably not appointed Irvine in the first place because the fan reaction was as predictable as it was depressing. A few fans are prepared to give Irvine a chance and you never know they might be right and they are as likely to be right as the doom mongers. I certainly will back him to have a better record than Mel on a points per game basis and I would also back him to be in post this time next year.
I don't believe his is the man, as much as I didn't think Clarke or mel were, however he is saying the right things, and if lescott comes off it is a step in the right direction, so we have him and must I suppose bear with it.
However, I cannot forgive peace for the absolute nightmare and gross incompetence he is dealing with the matter fro me fans perspective, and if lescott doesn't come off and we get off to a bad start, then he and Jenkins will fully deserve the whole lot of rubbish that will be vented his way.
It has gone past enough is enough
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: The Black Pearl on June 19, 2014, 10:46:57 AM
I don't believe his is the man, as much as I didn't think Clarke or mel were, however he is saying the right things, and if lescott comes off it is a step in the right direction, so we have him and must I suppose bear with it.
However, I cannot forgive peace for the absolute nightmare and gross incompetence he is dealing with the matter fro me fans perspective, and if lescott doesn't come off and we get off to a bad start, then he and Jenkins will fully deserve the whole lot of rubbish that will be vented his way.
It has gone past enough is enough

Nothing Peace could have said would have avoided a fan backlash after last season, the Mel fiasco and leaving the squad so short, then appointing a little known coach with a dodgy history. The proof is in the pudding, lets hope he can cook.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: smethwickw on June 19, 2014, 11:11:39 AM
Ferdinand and Ramsey have just left their coaching roles at Tottenham - interesting considering they could have done that, saved us some compensation payments and them freeing up money for their own moves.

Maybe Sherwood wasn't offered the job after all.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: Mr Cynical on June 19, 2014, 11:21:59 AM
Well the Charm offensive is beginning to work.  I feel more positive today.  I thought Irvine came across well.

I don't believe that AI was the best coach available - or even in the top 50.  There are plenty of better ones out there.  I don't even think he was the best fit for our criteria, but, I think Peace feels most comfortable working with him... I just can't see why.

I find it amazing that we actually head hunted him.  It makes a nonsense of the 5 week due dithering process.

I think that we now have 3 people who are really general coaches (Keily being a specialist).  From my perspective they are all a bit the same.  There's no specialist, say, striker coach amongst them - you know the one that gets an extra 10% out of Berahino by giving him the little bits of know-how that enable him to be more effective.  For me that was the attraction of the Sherwood 'team'.  I didn't really rate Sherwood, but I did think Ferdinand would add something to the attack and Ramsay is  a better and more experienced coach (previously in the England set up) than we have now - they made the coaching 'team' quite attractive.

Time to concentrate on getting some really good players in.  With such a low profile head coach they represent any real reason for optimism.  Lescott is a good start, but the really important one is the one that's going to score us 15 goals!
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 19, 2014, 11:25:10 AM
I certainly will back him to have a better record than Mel on a points per game basis
That won't be a fair comparison, as Mel never got to bring in any players (unless you count Thievy), which also meant he couldn't fully re-vamp the way we played. Ironically, though, we did look at our best when we tried the pressing style that Mel prefers, but the players were unable/unwilling to do it for 90 minutes.
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
Post by: GrGr on June 19, 2014, 11:45:58 AM
The best thing that can be said about Alan Irvine is that he is on the same wave length as our players and other coaches. No culture shock, like with Mel, and no particular outstanding talent to challenge the players and other coaches out of their comfort zone. At least he should fit in well and with ease.

However for the club to pretend that Irvine was the best available option is ridiculous and insulting. We have had lies about how Irvine brought through Rodwell and other Everton youth. Add that to Irvine's worse than mediocre CV as head coach and the appointment is simply very telling. It is not surprising, it is not baffling but telling about how our current management team operates. 
Title: Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
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