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Title: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: JDWest_Brom on April 08, 2014, 10:39:02 PM
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: Atomic on April 08, 2014, 10:47:32 PM
I'm not sure how much truth there is in this but why is Sherwood an idiot? He seems like a breath of fresh air to me - a manager that says it how it is.

It's hard to tell how good a manager he is / could be though as yet he's had no chance to bring in his own players at Spurs.

IF Sherwood did come to the Albion I wouldn't be suicidal.
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on April 08, 2014, 10:56:12 PM
No offence to TS, but I still want to keep Pepe. :-*
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: royhan on April 08, 2014, 10:56:42 PM
No substance whatsoever to this story at present. Where are the quotes? There's a lot of water to pass under the bridge between now and the summer so it's anyone's guess who will lead us into the next campaign. Mel is under contract for next season, so unless I hear any different from official sources then it should to be Mel. The results from the final fixtures will undoubtedly be the determining factor.
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: Atomic on April 08, 2014, 11:00:21 PM
No substance whatsoever to this story at present. Where are the quotes? There's a lot of water to pass under the bridge between now and the summer so it's anyone's guess who will lead us into the next campaign. Mel is under contract for next season, so unless I hear any different from official sources then it should to be Mel. The results from the final fixtures will undoubtedly be the determining factor.


There's so many bits of stories you hear that make you think Mel won't be here next season, even today there is trhis report, there's the Sneekes comments on WM. It looks like something is going on that people are aware of in the game.

No smoke without fire???

If Mel is going to be here next season it'd be good if Jeremy Peace came out and stated as much, put an end to all the rumour mongering.
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: Standaman on April 08, 2014, 11:07:46 PM
It is pretty obvious that Sherwood is out of his depth at Spurs and he would hardly be better equipped to lead us. I might be wrong but even after being retired for 10 years he still does not have all his pro level coaching qualifications. Trading Mel for Sherwood would be a massively retrograde step.
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: WBArgo on April 08, 2014, 11:34:36 PM
Our board maybe bad...but not that bad.

Tim Sherwood is not a good manager, it's not even a 'he might be suited elsewhere' type thing...if you watch him he's just not good enough, his lineups and tactics are awful.
I've said elsewhere, I'm not even a massive fan of Mel but compared to Sherwood he's like Ferguson.
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: BB74 on April 08, 2014, 11:38:10 PM
Please no. I couldn't put up with his terribly annoying accent week after week. Plus his arrogance is off the scale!
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: Yamaka on April 08, 2014, 11:43:30 PM
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: Jack Russell on April 09, 2014, 08:08:40 AM
poppy cock
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: PsalmXXIII on April 09, 2014, 09:03:20 AM
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: BobTaylor on April 09, 2014, 09:05:06 AM
Yes please, Wouldnt stand for no rubbish and wants to play attractive football with hes team, Big thumbs up from me.
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: kc56wba on April 09, 2014, 09:33:27 AM
Tim Sherwood no thanks, He shouts more rubbish than my missus does. Believe me that takes some beating. >:(
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: Jack Russell on April 09, 2014, 10:29:54 AM
No way absolutely now way >:( >:(
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: WBASPE77 on April 09, 2014, 11:28:41 AM
Tim Sherwood hasn't done a bad job for Tottenham he has had some really good results for Spurs. However I'm happy with Pepe Mel and I think he is just starting to get things together looking on the basis of the last four games.
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: BobTaylor on April 09, 2014, 11:29:38 AM
Tim Sherwood hasn't done a bad job for Tottenham he has had some really good results for Spurs. However I'm happy with Pepe Mel and I think he is just starting to get things together looking on the basis of the last four games.

So am i of course but i think its more if we part ways over the summer which seems likely.
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 09, 2014, 12:58:12 PM
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: baggie53 on April 09, 2014, 01:04:29 PM
I COULD be the next manager at West Brom. So COULD Diana Ross. The article, along with anyone who believes it as a serious piece of journalism, is mental.

If Diana Ross was manager at least we would all be singing the same tune
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: Jack Russell on April 09, 2014, 01:16:37 PM
If Diana Ross was manager at least we would all be singing the same tune


Aint no mountain high enough
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: swad35 on April 09, 2014, 01:42:28 PM
And here we are again talking about a new manager for the Albion........what a "memorable" season were having.
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: kc56wba on April 09, 2014, 04:44:06 PM
If Diana Ross was manager at least we would all be singing the same tune
Well she released a song called The Boss.
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: WestBromJim on April 09, 2014, 04:57:55 PM
No ta very much, we have a good manager in Mel.
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: Nocky on April 09, 2014, 05:03:48 PM
Please no. I couldn't put up with his terribly annoying accent week after week. Plus his arrogance is off the scale!

Agreed. He rates himself 110%! He also appears to be quite confrontational with other teams/players with the quotes i've read of him.
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: Albion79 on April 09, 2014, 05:55:23 PM
Hopefully we stick with Pepe Mel, and he can get Diana Ross in as one of his assistants and everyone is happy! It would be 'Supreme'! (Sorry thats awful!)

As for Tim Sherwood, its very rare i take a dislike to someone but i have with him, he reminds me on an english Di Canio, its always all about him and not in a good way, he loves the attention a bit too much!
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: mulliganstired on April 09, 2014, 07:05:28 PM
No, he's full of himself.

Like Clarke should have, he needs to go and do a few seasons in the lower leagues to earn his stripes.
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: Jack Russell on April 14, 2014, 01:28:52 PM
No, he's full of himself.

Like Clarke should have, he needs to go and do a few seasons in the lower leagues to earn his stripes.



You can say that again
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: AidantheBaggies on April 14, 2014, 01:34:49 PM
I agree with everything above, wouldnt want him anywhere near WBA. He is cocky, arrogant and not that good either.
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: cuckfield1704 on April 14, 2014, 01:40:16 PM
It is from another journalist staring at a blank page, nothing to fill it and papers to sell.

If there is no news make up your own - same with most of these transfer 'stories'.
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: tommcneill on April 14, 2014, 01:44:11 PM
He also doesn't have the required badges apparently so im shocked that he is allowed to continue as Spurs boss
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: robnewbold on May 03, 2014, 05:26:58 PM
Total ****..should not be allowed within pissing distance of our club.
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: wobbs68 on May 03, 2014, 09:16:00 PM
simple NO!
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: overseas baggie on May 03, 2014, 09:37:38 PM
Total ****..should not be allowed within pissing distance of our club.

Shouldn't be allowed within pissing distance of ANY club!
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: Chipperfan on May 03, 2014, 09:40:11 PM
Chill blokes. It's all press speculation and about as accurate as Tony Blair talking about WMD.
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: Doobuy on May 04, 2014, 09:26:15 AM
I think we'd do better if we appointed Giggs.
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: Jeb-Dog on May 04, 2014, 09:39:26 AM
I'm afraid Sherwood is a big fat NO for me. An appointment that would only end in relegation. Giggs will stay at United, simple as that.
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 04, 2014, 03:35:43 PM
His English and prem knowledge should be better than Mel
His honesty and attitude seems better than Clark
His passion and commitment seem better than RDM
His defensive organisation looks better than Mowbray

I wouldn't be too unhappy.
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 04, 2014, 03:38:38 PM
His English and prem knowledge should be better than Mel
His honesty and attitude seems better than Clark
His passion and commitment seem better than RDM
His defensive organisation looks better than Mowbray

I wouldn't be too unhappy.
His tactical awareness is worse than mine. I'd be devastated since much of the good stuff they've done is more to the pure talent of the players than him.
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on May 04, 2014, 03:39:58 PM
No thank you ... simple as that
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: up_the_baggies on May 04, 2014, 03:50:33 PM
Unpredictable, outspoken manager. Jeremy Peace wouldn't hire him for those two reasons alone.
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: Dan on May 04, 2014, 04:01:01 PM
His English and prem knowledge should be better than Mel
His honesty and attitude seems better than Clark
His passion and commitment seem better than RDM
His defensive organisation looks better than Mowbray

I wouldn't be too unhappy.

In what way? The Spurs defence is an absolute shambles. They've conceded nearly as many goals as us!

I'd also be concerned that the teams on or better than Spurs level have nearly always comfortably beat them. His success there reminds me of when Avram Grant nearly won the league with Chelsea and was a penalty kick from the champions league, yet showed how woefully out of his depth he was at Portsmouth and West Ham when he got them relegated.
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on May 04, 2014, 07:20:16 PM
No, he's full of himself.

He is also useless - stick with Mel
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: kris_boing on May 04, 2014, 07:56:50 PM
I think he's actually done a very decent job for someone who is in his first job at high level football.  I don't understand those who have said he is useless.  His record is pretty good.

I don't want him as next manager though because I think we need someone with more Premier League experience.
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 04, 2014, 08:03:11 PM
Of the previous six Spurs managers he has the highest loss %.

That is worse than both Juande Ramos and Jacques Santini who both had unsuccessful spells at White Hart Lane.

I personally don't like Sherwood. I think Spurs have looked a poor side from what I've seen of them and I think he has an horrible arrogance for somebody who achieved so little in football management.
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: WBASPE77 on May 04, 2014, 08:36:59 PM
I really dont know what to make of him. At times he comes across as a manager with a lot of passion and his very honest. Then Yesterday for example comes across as very arrogant and full of himself. They have had some very good results since he has been in charge and some poor ones too. I doubt we will go for him he will think he can go somewhere bigger than us most likely and I would rather have Mel in charge.
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: kris_boing on May 04, 2014, 08:43:35 PM
Of the previous six Spurs managers he has the highest loss %.

That is worse than both Juande Ramos and Jacques Santini who both had unsuccessful spells at White Hart Lane.



Really?  I'm surprised by that.  Those two had terrible seasons.  I cant remember off the top of my head but where did they finish in terms of position compared to those two.  I do seem to recall a month or so ago he came out with the stats that he has the highest win record from a Tottenham manager in the Prem.  Maybe they dont draw many. 
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 04, 2014, 08:47:33 PM

Really?  I'm surprised by that.  Those two had terrible seasons.  I cant remember off the top of my head but where did they finish in terms of position compared to those two.  I do seem to recall a month or so ago he came out with the stats that he has the highest win record from a Tottenham manager in the Prem.  Maybe they dont draw many.

Yes mate. Only Glenn Hoddle has a worse percentage which borders into the 40s.

Loss percentages (all comps) of last six Tottenham managers: Sherwood 37%, AVB 20%, Redknapp 25.2%, Ramos 31.4%, Jol 30%, Santini 30.7%.

I also came across this quote yesterday: "If a club like Tottenham Hotspur judge me on results in games we've got a huge problem" - what on earth is he expecting?!
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: spencer Baggie on May 04, 2014, 10:14:36 PM
He's outspoken and and arrogant.

JP had his fingers burnt with Sir GM so there s no way he'd go for Sherwood.
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: AlbionBest on May 05, 2014, 09:44:01 AM
He's outspoken and and arrogant.

JP had his fingers burnt with Sir GM so there s no way he'd go for Sherwood.
Agreed
JP wouldn't put up with that kind of character.
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: Chipperfan on May 05, 2014, 07:48:55 PM
Just can't see Sherwood and Albion as any sort of fit.

Now Pepe Mel and Albion, that's another matter. :)
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 11, 2014, 06:25:45 PM
I'm resigned to losing Mel now.

Would Sherwood be really that bad? 5th in the form table since he took over at Spurs in December.

Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: lewisant on May 11, 2014, 06:31:48 PM
I'm resigned to losing Mel now.

Would Sherwood be really that bad? 5th in the form table since he took over at Spurs in December.

If you like a gent in the ilk of Roy/Pepe then he's not the man. Dunno, he basically seems like a bit of a cock and i know Spurs fans who think he was clueless
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: KingKoren on May 11, 2014, 06:39:59 PM
We always go for someone with impressive coaching credentials. He hasn't even got his pro-license. Complete non-starter. He is a complete tool.
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: hardtobeat on May 11, 2014, 06:41:52 PM
would rather him than a Hughton, Jol, Jones type. Young and may well feel he has something to prove after way he has been treated at Spuds!
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: Dan on May 11, 2014, 06:47:18 PM
His results are decent but then Avram Grant did well at Chelsea as did RDM for a while. It seems more a case that the players at his disposal are good players and will win games on the strength of that rather than any tactical input from him, eventually they'd get found out like RDM at Chelsea. Particularly concerning is the fact that Spurs were thrashed by the better teams, its all well and good beating teams he has a much better team than, its his equals and betters that he needed to compete against. Given there are no teams in this league who we are much better than, that'd be a major concern.

Spurs fans also really don't think much of him and think the football is often poor. If he's to be a decent manager he needs to go away and get his coaching badges and then start below the premier league.

The one manager I would like to see us go for is Eddie Howe who's done terrific at Bournemouth but he'd cost more than nominal compensation I should think so that's an unlikely one.
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: Wbahunty on May 11, 2014, 06:54:17 PM
We always go for someone with impressive coaching credentials. He hasn't even got his pro-license. Complete non-starter. He is a complete tool.

Full agree...His arogance is embarrasing and him coming to the Albion would not be great for either party.

Mel wont be here next year and I can only see Malky getting the job! Reasonably cheap, had sucsess at a lower level perfect for the Albion.

Or I would go back and get the man we should have had in the first place...Thomas Schaaf

Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: Adder on May 11, 2014, 09:35:14 PM
Full agree...His arogance is embarrasing and him coming to the Albion would not be great for either party.

Mel wont be here next year and I can only see Malky getting the job! Reasonably cheap, had sucsess at a lower level perfect for the Albion.

Or I would go back and get the man we should have had in the first place...Thomas Schaaf
With Norwich saying they plan to appoint their new manager within a week....to me that means either Adams stays or its going to be Malky.
Bit of a bizarre twist in the Tan v MacKay tussle with Malky and Moody issuing apologies to Tan and agreeing a settlement (I wonder how much extra they got for making a public apology).
Seems Malky wanted a swift end to the dispute presumably as a job was in the pipeline.
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: charliemike on May 11, 2014, 09:44:20 PM
Eddie Howe and a new team wouldn't be a bad shout . He is young and hungry . The main thing is we need a massive clear out of players .
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 12, 2014, 10:42:57 AM
I'd take him now, plays decent and would know who to "borrow" from spurs.
There's also
Mcinnes
Laudrap
Hughton
Rijkard
Moyes
Rangnick
Hoddle
Etc etc
There are plenty avaliable
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: Baggy nerd on May 12, 2014, 11:21:00 AM
I'd take him now, plays decent and would know who to "borrow" from spurs.
There's also
Mcinnes
Laudrap
Hughton
Rijkard
Moyes
Rangnick
Hoddle
Etc etc
There are plenty avaliable
The 2 I would rule out are McInnes and Hoddle. The rest all have positive points.

As for Sherwood - too risky and seems slightly bonkers.
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: tuamigos on May 12, 2014, 11:33:21 AM
We always go for someone with impressive coaching credentials. He hasn't even got his pro-license. Complete non-starter. He is a complete tool.

and look where that's led us to.
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: koren on May 12, 2014, 11:44:32 AM
Moyes is a decent option for me.He has vast experience for carrying a mid-table team(Everton,not Man Utd lol).I think his circumstances is similar with Roy Hodgson,which was sacked by a big club and seek for a new job to regain his reputation. 
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: baggie38 on May 12, 2014, 12:09:33 PM
Cant see Moyes joining as surely we wouldn't pay his wage. Sherwood on the other hand has done a decent job at Spurs but I cant stand him as a person. Publically slating your players is not the way to go about things.
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: monkey nuts on May 12, 2014, 01:26:46 PM
if we can't get Moyes what about Steve Round his second in command
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 12, 2014, 01:32:26 PM
if we can't get Moyes what about Steve Round his second in command

We had a number two in Clarke and he wasn't upto it long term, not sure we can risk going for another and as Round is not high profile will this bunch accept him anyway.
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: east-stand-nick on May 12, 2014, 01:35:37 PM
Would love Moyes if Mel goes, but I doubt we would be able to afford him.
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: hardtobeat on May 12, 2014, 01:39:32 PM
Eddie Howe and a new team wouldn't be a bad shout . He is young and hungry . The main thing is we need a massive clear out of players .
In his comfort zone at Bournemouth, moved out once to Burnley and didnt last long, would have to be sure he was committed to leaving again?
Title: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 12, 2014, 03:26:07 PM
Who next then?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: royhan on May 12, 2014, 03:26:10 PM
The bookies are currently split between Chris Hughton and Malky McKay to be our next manager. Third choice is Tim Sherwood. Other candidates with odds of 12/1 or less are Michael Laudrup, David Moyes and Neil Lennon.
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/west-brom/next-permanent-manager

Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: royhan on May 12, 2014, 03:28:28 PM
I think we've got to splash the cash and pay top wages to someone who can steady our ship and work on our limited budget. That's why I have opted for David Moyes who may relish this challenge.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: addy on May 12, 2014, 03:33:01 PM
It will be whoever tells Peace in the interview we don't need to spend: :D, I think it will be Hughton.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 12, 2014, 03:33:23 PM
These are the candidates off the Sky Bet website. Sorry mods think i may have double posted the topic.

I voted for Laudrup. I still think we can get someone in who can play good football. Don't think we have to go for a negative manager despite the season we have had.

Don't think Laudrup would work under within our 'football department structure' though so not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: bry on May 12, 2014, 03:34:18 PM
My Favored managers would be:

Malky Mackay
Davis Moyes
Uwe Rosler
Sam Alllardyce

Don't think we will get any of them,they are all too strong and have an opinion for Peace.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Atomic on May 12, 2014, 03:36:34 PM
Whoever it is it has to be the right choice, we cannot afford to cock up this time.

It has to be someone who is willing to work the way Peace wants - that's just the way the club is.

We need stability, someone that is going to be here for a while and everyone needs to be pulling together in the same direction.

This is a more important appointment than Clarke or Mel were because if we get this one wrong we WILL go down and it'll be a hell of a struggle to come back up again.

I urge all fans regardless of your thoughts towards Jeremy Peace or Pepe Mel or your opinions on who the new manager / head coach should be, when he is appointed please back him. The club will go nowhere if it is fragmented.

Get it right Jezza!!!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 12, 2014, 03:37:55 PM
David Moyes needs to be successful at whatever club he goes to next and will want a club that has some ambition. On that basis, there's no chance at all of him coming to Albion.

As far as McInnes is concerned, if he hadn't played for us no-one would give him a second glance. It doesn't matter that he played for us, his record as a manager is all that counts and he's done nothing yet to indicate that he's up to taking on a job like this one.

I feel too disgusted at present to think about who I'd like to be here next.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: BB74 on May 12, 2014, 03:39:20 PM
No doubt we'll pull a rabbit out of the hat again. Based on the last round of interviews I still quite fancy Schaaf, but he was ruled out so that would rule him out again this time unless we change our set up.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: tuamigos on May 12, 2014, 03:42:07 PM
I'd take Rossler or McLaren if either/neither their current teams get promoted, on the long shot that Moyes was interested I think we should make every effort to get him in.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 12, 2014, 03:44:57 PM
I urge all fans regardless of your thoughts towards Jeremy Peace or Pepe Mel or your opinions on who the new manager / head coach should be, when he is appointed please back him. The club will go nowhere if it is fragmented.
Like you backed Pepe Mel you mean?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Welsh_Baggie on May 12, 2014, 03:49:30 PM
I would like Tim Sherwood - best Premier League win % of any Spurs manager 59% and Gareth Bale always says good things about him.

Unfortunately I think it will be Malky and probably always has been - we just didn't get him because of his settlement battle.
Title: Re: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: hardtobeat on May 12, 2014, 03:50:18 PM
Suspect it will be Jol,would prefer Petrescu, McClaren,or Moyes. Definitely think it will be somebody that has worked in the premier league/championship suspect they wont go down the overseas route. Wouldnt  want Jones or Hughton!!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: botters on May 12, 2014, 03:50:59 PM
I don't think that Peace will pay compensation for a head coach who is in a job, so it is likely to be Jol, Sherwood, Hughton or Mackay or Dave Jones, god help us!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Atomic on May 12, 2014, 03:52:02 PM
Like you backed Pepe Mel you mean?


The club was in a mess mate. From day one Pepe Mel wasn't happy with the set up he wanted his own men here Jeremy wouldn't allow it - it was only ever going to end one way. Keeping Pepe Mel would've meant the club continued to be fragmented.

I just said it as I saw it, I never once did anything against Pepe Mel personally.

Surely you can understand that no business can succeed if everybody wants different things?

Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Baggy nerd on May 12, 2014, 03:52:20 PM
David Moyes needs to be successful at whatever club he goes to next and will want a club that has some ambition. On that basis, there's no chance at all of him coming to Albion.

As far as McInnes is concerned, if he hadn't played for us no-one would give him a second glance. It doesn't matter that he played for us, his record as a manager is all that counts and he's done nothing yet to indicate that he's up to taking on a job like this one.

I feel too disgusted at present to think about who I'd like to be here next.
Agree, he had a disaster at Bristol City and whilst he has had success at Aberdeen you really can't pick a manager just because of success in a weak Scottish league.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Atomic on May 12, 2014, 03:54:15 PM
Agree, he had a disaster at Bristol City and whilst he has had success at Aberdeen you really can't pick a manager just because of success in a weak Scottish league.


Man United picked Ferguson from Aberdeen.  ;)

Mind you that was 1986.  ::)
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Mat15(MH) on May 12, 2014, 04:04:48 PM
Uninspiring list of choices looking at it, Moyes would be ideal for me but I don't think there is any remote chance of that happening.

Hughton-Wasted a lot of money at Norwich. Barely kept them up last season(lucky they got to play us) and was taking them down this season before getting sacked.

Mackay-Again spent a lot of money at Cardiff. Who knows whether he would have kept them up or not. Has a good reputation within the game and is supposed to be highly-rated by the board. Likes full control over transfers(unless he has Moody with him) and very in-demand, so unlikely for me.

Sherwood-Great win % at Spurs but also seemed to get on the wrong side of players, fans didn't rate him too highly. Not fully qualified, bit of a nut-job but could be the kind of bloke to come in and ruffle a few feathers. Runs his mouth too much for Peace.

Laudrup-Reputation for good football, takes cups seriously. Again, had issues with players at Swansea and felt the board there didn't back him enough, despite spending serious money in both of his summers at the club.

Jol-Did a good job everywhere but Fulham, where he contributed to putting together a squad with much the same problem as ours-ageing with a lack of pace. Break from football may have helped him?

McInnes-Rebuilding his name after poor spell at Bristol City, albeit they were a club with a lot of issues. Doing well at Aberdeen, but would any of us want a bloke who was doing well at Aberdeen if he wasn't a former player/captain of ours?

Rosler-Done well at both Wigan and Brentford. However, only just joined Wigan, so unlikely to leave quickly.

McClaren-Has a hit and miss record, but doing very well at Derby. Used to working as a "head coach" rather than a manager. Would be a good candidate but again only just joined Derby.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: mini gaardsoe on May 12, 2014, 04:05:44 PM
McLaren would be best fit for our structure in my opinion. Structure won't change so nobody decent will be interested.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Foster#1 on May 12, 2014, 04:11:31 PM
Mackay to Norwich is almost done by the sounds of it so that one is ruled out.

Laudrup won't come here either, he said he wants to manage a big european club then return to Denmark.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBASPE77 on May 12, 2014, 04:13:34 PM
Realistically I would like Malky Mackay. I think he will come in do a good job for us. Ideally I would love us to get David Moyes I think he would be a fantastic appointment. I doubt we will get him however I was very surpsied that we managed to get Roy Hodgson. Laudrup would be someone that I would happily have too. 
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Esso #13 on May 12, 2014, 04:17:02 PM
Moyes or Laudrup ideally.

More than likely be Mackay though.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Albion79 on May 12, 2014, 04:17:43 PM
First instincts would like us to get Martin Jol.

I think after a break from Fulham he may be recharged, the last season he messed up but other than that i think his track record is pretty good.

He dont take any messing, he would sort some of our mercenaries out, he plays good football, has experience and a link to the club and i think as our managers tend to have a couple of years span he would be ideal.

That said, if he is under consideration i hope the club will know they are getting the Martin Jol of pre 2013, not the 2013 version! Basically make sure he is refreshed and hungry!

Also wouldnt mind any of Laudrup or someone who plays good football and has some english management experience, i dont think the club will go for the unknown and untried again after the Clarke and Mel appointments.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Sessegod on May 12, 2014, 04:21:27 PM
I'm sure whoever it is we can trust out board to make the right decision again.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: smosher34 on May 12, 2014, 04:28:41 PM
martin jol , knows the league , and talks great English .
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: blue on May 12, 2014, 04:34:56 PM
When does Ralph Rangnik enter the betting.

Who,s on watch at the london office, are peace jenkins and garlick getting skype set up yet.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: royhan on May 12, 2014, 04:41:06 PM
I think that Laudrup will be ruled out the minute JP speaks to Swansea boss Huw Jenkins. There were, apparently serious issues regarding Laudrup's commitment to Swansea, hence the parting of the ways.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: wbatillidie on May 12, 2014, 04:47:36 PM
I wouldn't be totally against Hughton getting the job. Ideally we will go for someone more inspiring but I can't see it happening.

He wasted a lot of money at Norwich but he wouldn't be given that opportunity here. We know he's a good coach and with the extra help of a director of football (Burton) he could be a good fit. 
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 12, 2014, 04:48:45 PM
My money sadly is on Hughton :'(
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: addy on May 12, 2014, 04:52:18 PM
I must be in the minority.. but I would take Hughton.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Tony Goddens Gloves on May 12, 2014, 04:57:10 PM
Moyes all day long..will do a great job for us a perfect fit.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: mini gaardsoe on May 12, 2014, 05:13:22 PM
If you think Moyes would come to us then sadly I think you hold the club in a lot higher regard than we actually are. No chance of this happening at all.

Hughton would fit in to our structure, as would McLaren or Jol. We won't get any better than that. I'd go for McLaren if he doesn't get Derby up, not a free option but as a coach, one of the best around.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: PsalmXXIII on May 12, 2014, 05:16:51 PM
I simply do not care who is in charge of this club next season, I've fallen out of love with the club, the people who run it and the direction we are headed. Yesterday felt worse than when we got relegated. I've travelled to every home game and the majority of away games from different parts of the country and it's not worth it any more. Who the hell is going to want to come to us now? The heart and soul of this club has been eaten up and shat out.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on May 12, 2014, 05:23:26 PM
I want somebody with staying power. Don't want the club in this situation in 12-18 months time AGAIN. Mel was that man, so we need somebody with vision like him but i worry the board don't have the same ambitions as the fans and forward-thinking coaches
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: wba1968-Tim on May 12, 2014, 05:23:48 PM
I'm going for a wild card here in Hoddle - would certainly fit the bill with regards to knowing our set up and the way we want to play football. Moyes too but very unlikely.

Having said that I think it will be Mackay

Whoever it is I just hope Peace doesn't F4RT around getting someone appointed. This is  a major project to rebuild the team this summer and a few badly researched late signings will NOT cut the mustard Jeremy!!!!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: graka on May 12, 2014, 05:26:48 PM
in garlicks statement he as said to join our current structure which is nearly complete so looks like burton is coming in because garlick as no football nous. that needs taking into consideration as most like to bring there own sidekicks in aswel.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on May 12, 2014, 05:39:49 PM
I put Schaaf but i'd be happy with a few up there. Schaaf was the one i wanted most in december. Now i'm thinking Schaaf again but only if his English is really good!!

I personally think it'll be a Brit. Probs Hughton - i'm impartial to that appointment although what Norwih fans say worries me and he did struggle after spending. Before Norwich i'd have probs been more than happy with him
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Andzy on May 12, 2014, 05:41:01 PM
correct me if im wrong but didn't we have talks with Slaven Bilic before we appointed Mel.
Maybe we could go back in for him
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Dan on May 12, 2014, 05:42:27 PM
I simply do not care who is in charge of this club next season, I've fallen out of love with the club, the people who run it and the direction we are headed. Yesterday felt worse than when we got relegated. I've travelled to every home game and the majority of away games from different parts of the country and it's not worth it any more. Who the hell is going to want to come to us now? The heart and soul of this club has been eaten up and shat out.

The situation is hardly as bad as you portray. Clubs veer from crisis to model club on a season by season basis. Strong appointment and some decent transfers and everyone will be in love with the club again by September.


As for the list of managers, the favourites are a very uninspiring bunch, but then none of the favourites last time were anywhere near to joining either. Personally i'd like to see Eddie Howe appointed, absolutely brilliant job at Bournemouth, and was decent at Burnley too. But I doubt the club will pay anything other than nominal compensation so he's highly unlikely.

Whoever it is the club needs to make a decision inside 2 weeks. Normally it wouldn't matter so much in close season but the club needs to move quickly with the amount of big decisions to be made, not least the out of contract players.

correct me if im wrong but didn't we have talks with Slaven Bilic before we appointed Mel.
Maybe we could go back in for him

I'm pretty sure that's made up, Billic is one of the highest paid managers in the world. And that's without considering compensation for him.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: simonbaggie on May 12, 2014, 05:51:18 PM
For me it has got Malkay McKay written all over it !! All of a sudden his court case against Vincent Tan gets dropped and two days later Mel has left by mutual consent!!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: AlbionBest on May 12, 2014, 05:51:51 PM
in garlicks statement he as said to join our current structure which is nearly complete so looks like burton is coming in because garlick as no football nous. that needs taking into consideration as most like to bring there own sidekicks in aswel.

Surely Garlick will be sacked as being responsible for the footballing side of things ????
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 12, 2014, 05:55:27 PM
Those voting for David Moyes - why do you think for a second that he'd want to come to Albion? Everyone knows we have no ambition, so what signal would it send out from him if he came to us?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Bomberblueand white on May 12, 2014, 06:15:25 PM
McClaren for me, and I love it if he did his first interview in a think west brom accent
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: paulosull on May 12, 2014, 06:36:46 PM
Like to see a
Flamboyant coach who would take no **** from
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Baggie79 on May 12, 2014, 06:37:23 PM
Could we add Bilic, Karl Robinson and Prosinecki to the list please.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: wbako on May 12, 2014, 06:45:50 PM
I simply do not care who is in charge of this club next season, I've fallen out of love with the club, the people who run it and the direction we are headed. Yesterday felt worse than when we got relegated. I've travelled to every home game and the majority of away games from different parts of the country and it's not worth it any more. Who the hell is going to want to come to us now? The heart and soul of this club has been eaten up and shat out.

This.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: gerry m on May 12, 2014, 06:46:39 PM
I doubt JP would pay what David Moyes would want! Whose to say he wont take a short break from football with the settlement he got from Utd.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Plastic Paddy on May 12, 2014, 06:48:44 PM
I voted for Uwe Rosler but there isn't a chance as Jezza won't pay compensation.

Whoever they appoint, this must be done quickly. We have so many players' futures up in the air that the new guy needs to work through the summer to sort this out. As it has been clear for the last 2-3 weeks that PM was leaving by "mutual consent!", I would be shocked if JP hasn't already sounded out potential replacements.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Baggie Boy on May 12, 2014, 06:49:29 PM
I doubt JP would pay what David Moyes would want! Whose to say he wont take a short break from football with the settlement he got from Utd.

We got Hodgson from Liverpool and he cant have been cheap so what's to say Moyes wont join.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: AlbionBest on May 12, 2014, 06:52:19 PM
Like to see a
Flamboyant coach who would take no poo from

Peace won't allow that !   

PEACE OUT !!!!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: jamesh_91 on May 12, 2014, 06:53:42 PM
Don't know much about him but Oscar Garcia has just resigned from Brighton & Hove Albion. He did play for Barcelona and coach their youth team as well as winning the Israeli league two seasons ago (12/13). Could be worth a shout?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: wbako on May 12, 2014, 06:54:55 PM
We got Hodgson from Liverpool and he cant have been cheap so what's to say Moyes wont join.

Hodgson had been sacked by Liverpool by the time Peace started sniffing about.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: FallOutBoy on May 12, 2014, 06:57:56 PM
Whoever it is, they have to be experienced. Every time we go for an inexperienced man, we end up either relegated or flirting with it. When we had Roy in charge, he made the players better than they were. If we're going to survive, we need that again.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: elkiellis on May 12, 2014, 07:13:17 PM
please not hughton
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: bry on May 12, 2014, 07:16:27 PM
Just as you thought it couldn't get any worse

http://www.leeds.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=358867

McDermott's odds slashed to take baggies job

God help us
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Barrington on May 12, 2014, 07:21:06 PM
One positive is that this time around we should have a bit more choice as this is a much better time to be recruiting a manager. Managers don't like joining clubs half way through a season for obvious reasons. At least now the new head coach will know he gets a pre-season to work with the players. Also, a lot of managers are released from their contracts around this time so there should be a few more managers floating around looking for a job.

I think we should all just put money on it being Martin Jol again just for a laugh ;)
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: mulliganstired on May 12, 2014, 07:30:18 PM
Hodgson had been sacked by Liverpool by the time Peace started sniffing about.

...? and Moyes has been sacked by United, so the situation is quite similar.  Like Hodgson he's got a huge payoff and won't need the money, he'll just want to get his reputation back.  Why not?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on May 12, 2014, 07:35:19 PM
Its all well and good throwing names out there but maybe we need to take a look at the failures of the team this season and who is best qualified to fix them.

We were dreadful in defense. need someone who can coach how to defend.
We could rarely string two passes together in midfield. Need someone who isn't afraid to teach basics to a  bunch of over-hyped individuals.
We were poor up front, couldn't hold up a ball to build an attack and woeful in front of goal. We need someone who can teach the importance of holding up and supporting from midfield.

There's a lot of glamour names listed but most of them have worked with expensive squads which we will never be.
The best bet for any progress would be a working man who has a track record of improving teams with small budgets rather than living off expensive signings and star names. With that being said you could probably eliminate half of the names on that list immediately.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on May 12, 2014, 07:38:41 PM
The more i think about it the more i warm to Jol. Unemployed, ex-baggie, a good record (minus Fulham), prob has good contacts in the game, prem experience. Plays attractive football but am i right in thinking quite good defensively too?? Yeah i've just sold it to myself!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Dexy on May 12, 2014, 07:41:05 PM
Once we get past the dream names you get the more likely's , i suspect McInnes will be near the top of the list as he's young , has Albion links that will please many and just had a great year in Scotland.
No doubt they will speak to people we can't tempt then come back to Our Del or Hughton or Jol.
I didn't want Mel to go and right now only McInnes could bring something new for me.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Welsh_Baggie on May 12, 2014, 08:08:32 PM
Not on the list but how about Gus Poyet?

Future in doubt at Sunderland and has done a great job their and at Brighton.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on May 12, 2014, 08:12:07 PM
Once we get past the dream names you get the more likely's , i suspect McInnes will be near the top of the list as he's young , has Albion links that will please many and just had a great year in Scotland.
No doubt they will speak to people we can't tempt then come back to Our Del or Hughton or Jol.
I didn't want Mel to go and right now only McInnes could bring something new for me.

I hope it's something exciting or a clever appointment like Jol. I'm feeling very down about WBA right now as i can imagine we all are. Most of us really warmed to Mel and bought into a future with him. I wish i could just shut my laptop and stop thinking about it but unfortunately i've got blue and white running through my veins and i just can't stop thinking about how the club can get out of this mess
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on May 12, 2014, 08:32:06 PM
The club should just get the last Head Coach shortlist out of the bin and contact the second name down.

Really can't be bothered with all this ******** again so soon.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Adder on May 12, 2014, 08:40:07 PM
Given the timing of Malky's settlement with Cardiff I think its pretty certain he's either going to be manager of Norwich or us by this time next week.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: spencer Baggie on May 12, 2014, 08:46:15 PM
Hughton - No.
McDermott - No.
Jones - No.
Lennon - No.

Sherwood would have an authoritarian side that we need atm - but don't see it as long term stability.

Mackay - perhaps. But not known for playing free flowing football.

Laudrup - Would never join us imo. Lost interest at Swansea by all accounts.

Moyes - Doubt it.

If we want a few years stability, Id go for Jol. I'd sack off KD too and bring in new back room staff.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: spencer Baggie on May 12, 2014, 08:51:20 PM
If you're after a coach that will unite players, fans and coach youngster stars through the ranks - Nigel Adkins.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 12, 2014, 08:56:44 PM
Hughton - No.
McDermott - No.
Jones - No.
Lennon - No.

Sherwood would have an authoritarian side that we need atm - but don't see it as long term stability.

Mackay - perhaps. But not known for playing free flowing football.

Laudrup - Would never join us imo. Lost interest at Swansea by all accounts.

Moyes - Doubt it.

If we want a few years stability, Id go for Jol. I'd sack off KD too and bring in new back room staff.

I voted for Moyes in an ideal world situation, but old tightwad would never splash the cash enough for that to work. Jol or Laudrup decent options. Still naffed off that Mel wasn't given the chance though and I am more worried about attitudes of players than I am about the next revolving door manager.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: royhan on May 12, 2014, 09:01:25 PM
If you're after a coach that will unite players, fans and coach youngster stars through the ranks - Nigel Adkins.

He did superbly well at Southampton and, in the view of many, had a raw deal when they got rid of him. Moderate success so far at Reading, but he has a CV that will appeal to JP
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: charlebaggie on May 12, 2014, 09:03:48 PM
Please please please not Chris Hughton . Someone in the mould of Rossler or Luadrup or Steve McLaren
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggie steve on May 12, 2014, 09:16:40 PM
If you're after a coach that will unite players, fans and coach youngster stars through the ranks - Nigel Adkins.

Good shout...
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 12, 2014, 09:19:43 PM
Chris Lepkowski ?@chrislepkowski 2 hrs
Can't emphasise enough, this is not regarded as an 'attractive' job compared to 2-years ago. Word has got out, sadly
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Prokhorych on May 12, 2014, 09:23:03 PM
Jonas Olson - player manager?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: charlebaggie on May 12, 2014, 09:33:48 PM
Jonas Olson - player manager?
.  It ends in off  8)
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: paulosull on May 12, 2014, 09:34:47 PM
Garlick will get job
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 12, 2014, 09:52:08 PM
Jonas Olson - player manager?
Brunt's the closest in terms of licences, and he's the captain already too...  ;)
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: mb1 on May 12, 2014, 09:55:43 PM
Dear Mr. Moyes, we will do for you post Man Utd what we did for Roy post Liverpool.

There is the sales pitch. We can but dream
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: overseas baggie on May 12, 2014, 09:57:02 PM
If you're after a coach that will unite players, fans and coach youngster stars through the ranks - Nigel Adkins.

Yes - an interesting shout.  Was treated very badly at Southampton.

Adkins or McLaren (if Derby don't come up) would both be good candidates and have far more to offer than the dross like Hughton (nice bloke though he is).

Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 12, 2014, 10:01:43 PM
Dear Mr. Moyes, we will do for you post Man Utd what we did for Roy post Liverpool.

There is the sales pitch. We can but dream

Haha it's a great pitch. Trouble is he will be looking at how we've treated Pepe. As will everyone else....
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: smethwickw on May 12, 2014, 10:05:20 PM
Yes - an interesting shout.  Was treated very badly at Southampton.

Adkins or McLaren (if Derby don't come up) would both be good candidates and have far more to offer than the dross like Hughton (nice bloke though he is).

I'm almost certain it won't be someone who is currently employed.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: kirk on May 12, 2014, 10:15:36 PM
Who would come as a head coach?

You have to work with 2 coaches who you don't know but are loved by the players and someone else buys the players on your behalf.

Not a great deal
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 12, 2014, 10:17:03 PM
I'm not really bothered about this managerial search to be honest. I dread to imagine what name the club are going to pluck from somewhere. Let's be honest, unless we start to make changes to this squad, the new manager will fall into the similar trap of receiving no support from the board before being sacked 16 months later because the players have slumped into their complacent, apathetic ways. And then the cycle will repeat again and another head coach gets the sack and again, and again and again..Zzzz
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Baggies on May 12, 2014, 10:27:47 PM
I would like to see somebody from Europe again, although somebody who speaks better English and maybe who is more suited to our recent style, but I expect it to be somebody like Malkay McKay. Whatever it is, I have very little faith in the board to make the right decision based on the last 18 months where we seemed to have made bad decision after bad decision.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: east-stand-nick on May 12, 2014, 10:35:41 PM
Seeing as the club have clearly been planning to do this for weeks, if not months, I fully expect a swift and satisfactory appointment. We cannot afford to **** about like we did when appointing Mel.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on May 12, 2014, 10:39:21 PM
I just don't see a big name coming here. Our reputation is in the sh*tter right now.
I feel we will only attract a lower division manager willing to step up or someone none of us would expect.
With the budget they won't be getting and the poor level of playing staff we have, any bigger named coach would be threatening their future prospects by coming here.
Unfortunately we are now at the bottom of premiership pecking order for attractive jobs.
How I would love to be wrong but I just don't see it.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: slugga1 on May 12, 2014, 10:45:47 PM
Seeing as the club have clearly been planning to do this for weeks, if not months, I fully expect a swift and satisfactory appointment. We cannot afford to pee about like we did when appointing Mel.

It will be more like a shopping trip with my Mrs..  They will go in every shop possible only to choose the first bloody option!


 Please don't interview some of the rubbish you did last time Peace..  What a waste of time.

On a second note,  if the wrong appointment is made I can see a backlash of the fans..  It's like we all had beans on toast...  It's a  brewing!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: pensnett stu on May 12, 2014, 10:48:11 PM
Doesn't matter who we have next if  downing and Kiely stop there nothing will change ,it wants a complete clear out and let the new man bring in his own staff and give him a transfer kitty to bring in new better players and get rid of certain players who have done a job for us in the past but are not premier league standard
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on May 12, 2014, 10:55:47 PM
Seeing as the club have clearly been planning to do this for weeks, if not months, I fully expect a swift and satisfactory appointment. We cannot afford to pee about like we did when appointing Mel.

What we will now see is 4 weeks worth of 'due dilegence' aka faffing.

Surely they still have all the paperwork lying around from 4 months ago to avoid having to go through the whole process again.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 12, 2014, 11:05:07 PM
Downing and Minogue still in place.

Chairman with head up ar$3, short arms and deep pockets.

Strip increasingly looking like some mint rock off blackpool prom.

And I've just heard plans for our name to be changed to Albion Antelopes
(FACT)

Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: blue on May 12, 2014, 11:06:35 PM
The board knew that pepe wad going weeks ago , obviosly.
So if no one is not lined up or appointed shortly then turn the light off
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggie38 on May 12, 2014, 11:18:37 PM
The Daily Mirror claim Tim Sherwood is top of our wish list.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBArgo on May 12, 2014, 11:19:07 PM
I know he lost tonight and I know he's probably not on the radar but I'd like to see Uwe Rosler given a go. Defensively he looked well organised and plays good football. I think every club he's been at he's improved too which would be a start. I just don't think he's that realistic though, sadly.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: GrGr on May 12, 2014, 11:22:51 PM
The Daily Mirror claim Tim Sherwood is top of our wish list.

Wouldn't surprise me at all. Instead of turning the squad over, as needs to be done, they will bring in a screamer and shouter to kick start the squad again.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on May 12, 2014, 11:25:11 PM
I know he lost tonight and I know he's probably not on the radar but I'd like to see Uwe Rosler given a go. Defensively he looked well organised and plays good football. I think every club he's been at he's improved too which would be a start. I just don't think he's that realistic though, sadly.

Now that's an appointment I'd like to see. Might have trouble with Saido though, think he was at Brentford and sent him back!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Dan on May 12, 2014, 11:26:26 PM
The Daily Mirror claim Tim Sherwood is top of our wish list.

The Mirror also claimed OGS had the job the day after we sacked Clarke.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: overseas baggie on May 12, 2014, 11:29:53 PM
 8)
Wouldn't surprise me at all. Instead of turning the squad over, as needs to be done, they will bring in a screamer and shouter to kick start the squad again.

The only screaming and shouting would be between Peace and Sherwood.  He wouldn't last a month.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: bagstaff on May 12, 2014, 11:32:27 PM
i'm past caring about who our next head coach is.

Is not worth either getting excited or stressed about as we will be looking for another one with 18 months (fact in the Peace era)

Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: dan7heman on May 12, 2014, 11:43:06 PM
Always liked Jol. Albion connection and seems like a nice guy.... could do worse i reckon.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: swad35 on May 12, 2014, 11:45:40 PM
Out of the list Moyes or Laudrup for me. Two very different styles but someone I think Peace and his back room will be scared sh*tless to question. More football in their left nut then any of them.....similar to how RH won them over.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 12, 2014, 11:46:35 PM
I hope it's not Mackay purely for the constant spelling mistakes on here.

 :P
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Tequila Rich on May 13, 2014, 12:00:46 AM
england to lose every game in group stages. hodgson to get sacked with immediate effect. burton gets on phone and gets his mate back at the albion! haha

moyes wont come...i can see him going to newcastle when pardew gets the sack.

i'd like laudrup...thats good football to watch....but again he has higher ambitions than to manage a team like us.

i can see it being someone like mcinnes.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: GrGr on May 13, 2014, 12:01:39 AM
Out of the list Moyes or Laudrup for me. Two very different styles but someone I think Peace and his back room will be scared sh*tless to question. More football in their left nut then any of them.....similar to how RH won them over.

Moyes is probably well burnt out after United (as is Jol who didn't do an impressive job with Fulham).

Laudrup seems to be a fair weather coach in the RdM mould. Not what we need. Also Laudrup wants his players to play football, which our players have demonstrated they don't want anything to do with, far too demanding of their 'skill sets'.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Moleskine on May 13, 2014, 12:02:11 AM
Mackay? No thanks, got found out in the Prem with Cardiff - if we went down, then yes.

Jones? Don't need to explain why.

Hughton? Again, I don't need to explain why.

Sherwood? I'd give him a chance, but him and JP would be a disaster waiting to happen.

Who's left...Moyes? I don't think he'll be managing for a while yet. Laudrup? Not a prayer.

Not a lot of choice out there. Jol? Not sure, done nothing with Fulham.

If I was going to go for the leftfield, potentially Uwe Rosler.

But I don't know. I think experience is needed, but the squad needs overhauling completely.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: swad35 on May 13, 2014, 12:08:53 AM
Moyes is probably well burnt out after United (as is Jol who didn't do an impressive job with Fulham).

Laudrup seems to be a fair weather coach in the RdM mould. Not what we need. Also Laudrup wants his players to play football, which our players have demonstrated they don't want anything to do with, far too demanding of their 'skill sets'.

I disagree mate I think Moyes will be hungry to show that he is not the idiot United and the press made him out to be. Are we the right club for him is the question for me?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: paulosull on May 13, 2014, 12:21:03 AM
To be honest I don't care about this club anymore and I
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Standaman on May 13, 2014, 12:24:05 AM
Right now we need  a heavy weight appointment nothing left field a been there got the tee shirt coach who ain't going to take no **** from the collection of prima donnas  that are currently masquerading as professional footballers at West Brom. Personally I would go for Jol.

 
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: bagstaff on May 13, 2014, 12:33:14 AM
Right now we need  a heavy weight appointment nothing left field a been there got the tee shirt coach who ain't going to take no poo from the collection of prima donnas  that are currently masquerading as professional footballers at West Brom. Personally I would go for Jol.

I wholeheartedly agree, though i do think that in many ways the club has created some of this problem.  I know if I had been in a job for only five, six  or so years and had seen five permanent and a couple of stand in managers come and go i may begin to feel that I have more insight to my job than the manager, and less inclined to accept yet another manager's methods or thinking.  Whilst the club continues its revolving door strategy with regard to managers I cant see how it can hope to reverse the dressing room trend. 
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: GrGr on May 13, 2014, 12:58:06 AM
The problem is that the club is stuck with mediocre players on big, fat contracts making them almost impossible to move on. The players know that. They know JP will fire the manager before he cuts into the squad to protect his precious 'investment'.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: chipperclark on May 13, 2014, 12:59:30 AM
 >:( Someone who can show some authority over these Mamby Pamby players and kick their arses into playing for our Club.
They need sorting out big-time....So probably a Martin Jol, Curbishly type of manager.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Aixelsyd on May 13, 2014, 01:24:35 AM
First instincts would like us to get Martin Jol.

I think after a break from Fulham he may be recharged, the last season he messed up but other than that i think his track record is pretty good.

He dont take any messing, he would sort some of our mercenaries out, he plays good football, has experience and a link to the club and i think as our managers tend to have a couple of years span he would be ideal.

That said, if he is under consideration i hope the club will know they are getting the Martin Jol of pre 2013, not the 2013 version! Basically make sure he is refreshed and hungry!

Also wouldnt mind any of Laudrup or someone who plays good football and has some english management experience, i dont think the club will go for the unknown and untried again after the Clarke and Mel appointments.

Look at Jol record at Fulham

under Al Fayed ownership (2 seasons) his Win-Draw-Loss percentage was 33% - 26% - 41%

then when Shahid Khan took over (13 games) it dropped to 23% - 8% - 69%

so was it the owner or the Manager???
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: gavinrussell on May 13, 2014, 05:42:11 AM
What about Maclaren if Derby are not promoted ?...similar appointment to RH..
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: overseas baggie on May 13, 2014, 07:07:40 AM
Jol, McLaren and Adkins seem to me to be the standout candidates. All wouod surely relish the opportunity to manage again in the Premiership, although McLaren might get there anyway through the play-offs.

I doubt Peace would go down the less experienced route, but if he does then Rosler seems far more appealing than Zola or McInnes, for example.

Petrescu as an outside bet if going abroad.

I'd be very happy for a prompt decision of either Jol, McLaren or Adkins as soon as the play-offs outcome is known, so that the new boss can start planning the new season right away. As we know, there is a huge amount of work to be done.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: tuamigos on May 13, 2014, 07:25:16 AM
If I were Moyes this job would appeal.
A club finishing 17th this season so anything above that next year will be seen as an improvement.
Moyes is also used to working under budget constraints, Kenwright never splashed the cash willy nilly but what they did do was buy quality and bring some of the youngsters through.
Moyes (I know its a long shot) for me so long as he doesnt bring screeech with him.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 13, 2014, 07:27:19 AM
To be honest I don't care about this club anymore and I

I like this quote, it couldn't commit for the full 90 minutes....
 ;)
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 13, 2014, 07:39:23 AM
Oscar Garcia anyone? Added him to the poll.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Statham4england on May 13, 2014, 07:41:40 AM
I like this quote, it couldn't commit for the full 90 minutes....
 ;)

I didn't know Jimmy Morrison was from Coseley
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: mulliganstired on May 13, 2014, 07:44:39 AM
The problem is that the club is stuck with mediocre players on big, fat contracts making them almost impossible to move on. The players know that. They know JP will fire the manager before he cuts into the squad to protect his precious 'investment'.
Have we actually got that many players, mediocre or not, on long term contract?  This is not sarcasm, I'm actually not sure of the details?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: tuamigos on May 13, 2014, 07:46:54 AM
Oscar Garcia anyone? Added him to the poll.

Did you see Brighton defend the other night?
Made our lot look like Real Madrid!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: miggybaggy on May 13, 2014, 07:52:19 AM
I voted for McInnes. He had a great affinity with the club and the fans here....and he's keen and ambitious. I do feel that someone with even a modicum of emotional/sentimental attachment to our club can only be beneficial. Give him a go, lets see what he's made of!

Mind you, I bet it turns out to be someone we've never heard of!  :o
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBASPE77 on May 13, 2014, 08:08:41 AM
Did you see Brighton defend the other night?
Made our lot look like Real Madrid!

Brighton had one of the best defensive records in the Championship this season, only conceded 40 odd goals. A bit harsh to judge them on one game.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: BRANDHALL_REGGIE on May 13, 2014, 08:18:02 AM
I Fancy Slaven Biilic he was close to coming last time but with Besitaks moving the goal posts with the compensation their packag,  but who ever comes they need a decent kitty to play on the transfer market by we will see
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lonions on May 13, 2014, 08:20:26 AM
Brighton had one of the best defensive records in the Championship this season, only conceded 40 odd goals. A bit harsh to judge them on one game.
I think Garcia could be a good apointment, good winning mentality and plays good football.

Think the problem could be with whether players would respect him enough!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: PsalmXXIII on May 13, 2014, 08:48:57 AM
I think Garcia could be a good apointment, good winning mentality and plays good football.

Think the problem could be with whether players would respect him enough!

Unfortunately I think the only way the players will respect a manager is if we bring in a Megson type. Mel proves nice guys finish last. Whoever comes in needs to chew up whoevers left and rubbish them out.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: kris_boing on May 13, 2014, 09:14:43 AM
The two who I would be delighted with would be Laudrup and Moyes.  I think both would be great appointments but I do think both are unlikely to want the job.  I would also be in favour of McLaren (who I think is made for this job), Mackay and McInnes.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 13, 2014, 09:22:47 AM
Go get Rosler
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Rheneas on May 13, 2014, 09:27:23 AM
Hello all: first post on these boards.

Would love to see Moyes at the Albion, but even if it got to the interview stage negotiations over back room staff could be sticky. The Club are saying the new HC would have to fit into the existing structure. When he went to ManU he brought in three staff with him.

For it to fit looks like club and coach have to meet each other half way. Can't see it happening with Peace in charge unless he really wants his man.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 13, 2014, 09:31:05 AM
I dont want him anyway but Moyes would be out of our league.My guess is he will go to the Villa
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 13, 2014, 09:31:11 AM
The two who I would be delighted with would be Laudrup and Moyes.  I think both would be great appointments but I do think both are unlikely to want the job.  I would also be in favour of McLaren (who I think is made for this job), Mackay and McInnes.
Why Mackay and McInnes? Mackay had to put up with Tan I grant you, but I suspect Cardiff spent more on transfers than we did and yet they were relegated, having played attritional football for much of the season.

As for McInnes, no-one would be giving him a second glance if he hadn't previously played for us. People talk about Bristol City having been in a mess when he was there, but aren't we as things stand? Obviously the Bristol City board didn't absolve him of blame as they sacked him, having lost 18 of 28 games that season, conceding 58 goals in the process and failing to keep a single clean sheet.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 13, 2014, 09:34:25 AM
Hello all: first post on these boards.

Would love to see Moyes at the Albion, but even if it got to the interview stage negotiations over back room staff could be sticky. The Club are saying the new HC would have to fit into the existing structure. When he went to ManU he brought in three staff with him.

For it to fit looks like club and coach have to meet each other half way. Can't see it happening with Peace in charge unless he really wants his man.
Welcome Rheneas, I agree with you. Moyes will also want to go to a club that is ambitious to consistently be in the top half of the table and that clearly isn't Albion. With new, focussed owners, it could be Villa though, sad to say.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Rheneas on May 13, 2014, 09:38:37 AM
I dont want him anyway but Moyes would be out of our league.My guess is he will go to the Villa

No so sure about out of our league (although I see exactly what you mean and you have a point). But we did get Roy Hodgson after all when he was in a similar position.

Put it this way: Yes Albion have got 'issues' as a club, but there are far more things up in the air with the Villa.

If I was any manager looking at the Albion job I'd see it as a place where I could really make my mark, if- and it's a big if- I could get certain assurances from JP re. team matters, player recruitment and budget.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBArgo on May 13, 2014, 09:40:33 AM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: kris_boing on May 13, 2014, 09:47:11 AM
Why Mackay and McInnes? Mackay had to put up with Tan I grant you, but I suspect Cardiff spent more on transfers than we did and yet they were relegated, having played attritional football for much of the season.

As for McInnes, no-one would be giving him a second glance if he hadn't previously played for us. People talk about Bristol City having been in a mess when he was there, but aren't we as things stand? Obviously the Bristol City board didn't absolve him of blame as they sacked him, having lost 18 of 28 games that season, conceding 58 goals in the process and failing to keep a single clean sheet.


They wouldn't be my first choice as I said but Mackay is a strong personality and a leader which I think this club needs.  He was doing a decent job, Cardiff weren't in the relegation zone when he was sacked.


As for McInnes I believe he is destined for this job.  The bloke oozes class and would command respect.  It may be too early for him granted but the fans would back him.  With someone like Burton on board it would only benefit him.  AS I said it may be a year early but I think if we'd have gone down he would have been given the chance.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: wba1968-Tim on May 13, 2014, 09:52:13 AM
Unfortunately I think the only way the players will respect a manager is if we bring in a Megson type. Mel proves nice guys finish last. Whoever comes in needs to chew up whoevers left and rubbish them out.

I doubt he takes any shiite to be honest or at least it appears that he is very much the man in charge.

I thought it really strange that he resigned after getting Brighton into playoffs and that he had only been there for one season.
He also quit previous club Maccabi Tel Aviv after only one great championship-winning season ??
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Floydy on May 13, 2014, 10:27:45 AM
McClaren or Rosler for me.

I fear that we'll end up with MacKay or Hughton though.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: geoff on May 13, 2014, 10:29:28 AM
No so sure about out of our league (although I see exactly what you mean and you have a point). But we did get Roy Hodgson after all when he was in a similar position.

Put it this way: Yes Albion have got 'issues' as a club, but there are far more things up in the air with the Villa.

If I was any manager looking at the Albion job I'd see it as a place where I could really make my mark, if- and it's a big if- I could get certain assurances from JP re. team matters, player recruitment and budget.

No chance in cats hell.It's JP way or no way
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: AidantheBaggies on May 13, 2014, 10:46:14 AM
Stuart McCall has done a fantastic job at Motherwell, on a very low budget. He has done far better than Derek McInnes in my opinion.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Mister AT on May 13, 2014, 10:56:03 AM
That rumours guy on twitter is claiming we have approached Mackay today, branding it as an EXCLUSIVE.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Rheneas on May 13, 2014, 10:56:52 AM
Moyes or Lennon for me.

Moyes has got the track record in the Prem from his Everton days and has shown he can make relatively little go a long way. Will be angry from his time at Utd and can turn that into positive energy at the Albion.

Lennon: track record of success at Celtic (alright, I know it's only the Scottish Prem but even so there's people here talking up McInnes). Gives me the impression that he takes no s*&t from anyone and commands respect by example which is what is needed right now.





Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Signor_Maresca on May 13, 2014, 11:00:24 AM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggielambo on May 13, 2014, 11:01:08 AM
That rumours guy on twitter is claiming we have approached Mackay today, branding it as an EXCLUSIVE.
could possibly be why he has dropped the case against wan. But to be fair he seems to of been in the background since Clarke left.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: kc56wba on May 13, 2014, 11:02:32 AM
Just had a text from my mate in Scotland and he thinks it could be Terry Butcher  :o I think he has been on the whiskey already.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Rheneas on May 13, 2014, 11:07:28 AM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: tuamigos on May 13, 2014, 11:15:49 AM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: GrGr on May 13, 2014, 11:22:02 AM
Why don't we appoint Steven Reid. I like the bloke but it was ridiculous the way he and other players treated Pepe Mel. Karma tends to be a bitch i hear.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: tommcneill on May 13, 2014, 11:25:07 AM
Moyes for me.

Torrid time at Utd, a chance to redeem his reputation. Would take a hard line on players
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: GrGr on May 13, 2014, 11:34:00 AM
Moyes for me.

Torrid time at Utd, a chance to redeem his reputation. Would take a hard line on players

Would he? Moyes problem at United was exactly that he didn't control the dressing room. He was used to having a good group of players at Everton who took care of the dressing room for him, in fact he counted on them being mature enough to do so. But at United the players never really took to him.

Atm we have a dressing room that clearly has split off from reality and merely a new manager will not fix it, we need new blood and a renewed hunger, not players looking to protect their turf, comfort zone and power.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Signor_Maresca on May 13, 2014, 11:38:40 AM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: tommcneill on May 13, 2014, 11:43:43 AM
Man Utd's dressing room and that of ours are two completely different kettles of fish.

Out of the people bandied about Moyes would be an obvious person to approach. I think he would be very good for us.

As for players being mature enough to control the dressing room, I don't believe that for one minute, players need guidance and a strong character to control them as we have seen this season where our dressing room obviously has a lot of immature selfish egotistical players. I believe Moyes would destroy the clique that has developed.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: PsalmXXIII on May 13, 2014, 11:43:53 AM
Since Appleton left I think there's been a distinct lack of bite behind the scenes and the team have got extremely comfortable. It doesn't help that we've had a few players here a long time who seem to have set up some sort of old boys club who since Appleton went in November 2011 and then Hodgson left have had such an easy ride of it. With Clarke Downing and Keily in charge we've got worse both on the pitch and player discipline off the pitch and they certainly don't seem to show respect to others. Mel needed his back room staff in place immediately if there was going to be a shake up, not leave Downing and Keily for the players to moan to.

If Dean and Keith have 'saved us' and the players like him that suggests that a) the players were working hard for DK and KD and that they're b) dreadful at coaching. We weren't playing Mel's style and were dreadful, as had been the case for the majority of the time those two had influence on the team. Under Roy and Appleton Downing probably had no real control on how the team was set up and their influence has grown since.

As sad as I am to admit it, Odemwingie's comments about there being a 'mafia' at the club made up of old players and their mates the coaches may have a strong element of reality.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: tommcneill on May 13, 2014, 11:45:52 AM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: tommcneill on May 13, 2014, 11:48:41 AM
Since Appleton left I think there's been a distinct lack of bite behind the scenes and the team have got extremely comfortable. It doesn't help that we've had a few players here a long time who seem to have set up some sort of old boys club who since Appleton went in November 2011 and then Hodgson left have had such an easy ride of it. With Clarke Downing and Keily in charge we've got worse both on the pitch and player discipline off the pitch and they certainly don't seem to show respect to others. Mel needed his back room staff in place immediately if there was going to be a shake up, not leave Downing and Keily for the players to moan to.

If Dean and Keith have 'saved us' and the players like him that suggests that a) the players were working hard for DK and KD and that they're b) dreadful at coaching. We weren't playing Mel's style and were dreadful, as had been the case for the majority of the time those two had influence on the team. Under Roy and Appleton Downing probably had no real control on how the team was set up and their influence has grown since.

As sad as I am to admit it, Odemwingie's comments about there being a 'mafia' at the club made up of old players and their mates the coaches may have a strong element of reality.

Sadly it does seem true!! He could still have acted professionally and not gone and done what he did.

But his words seem to hold a certain amount of truth made so much more clearer by recent events at the club.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: AidantheBaggies on May 13, 2014, 11:49:23 AM
I am sorry but to come and manage WBA you need to be pretty desperate, the club has become a farce. Whoever it is will have to be a yes man to JP and have to accept having hands tied behind his back when it comes to player recruitment. On top of that you MUST work with Dean Kiely & Keith Downing who appear to have jobs for life at Albion.

Appleton, Downing, Phelan & Round will no doubt be considered for the reason i have listed above.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: dangerman on May 13, 2014, 12:00:31 PM
I am sorry but to come and manage WBA you need to be pretty desperate

Come on down Dave Jones  :P
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: PsalmXXIII on May 13, 2014, 12:09:57 PM
Sadly it does seem true!! He could still have acted professionally and not gone and done what he did.

But his words seem to hold a certain amount of truth made so much more clearer by recent events at the club.

True, but let's face it, we're all very angry and upset at how the club and it's staff are acting, can you imagine if we had to go and work amongst it when you're not involved in that group. Players like Anichebe I'd imagine aren't fazed because they're quiet characters. Odemwingie is an outspoken man, and ok he burnt some bridges and slated the club but he's not the kind guy who'd keep shtum if he felt he was victimised. I fear his statement about a toxic atmosphere is spot on - players recording Mel's team talks because they found them hilarious, Olsson swearing at Smethwick fans when criticised mid game, not clapping fans, racism, legal highs, wiping their arses with twenty pound notes, spitting at people. Odemwingie may have spotted this rotten core before we did and although not blameless, acting like a bellend, it's hard not to see it playing out.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggysean on May 13, 2014, 12:15:12 PM
Racism?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggie96 on May 13, 2014, 12:17:58 PM
Experience for me so therefore bilic, warnock, Sven. At the end of the day downing runs the show and we need someone who can be respected to put their ideas across.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Rheneas on May 13, 2014, 12:22:03 PM
Warnock?!

I suppose he'll want Alan Brazil as his number 2.  ;)
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: koren on May 13, 2014, 12:23:08 PM
Tottenham Hotspur @SpursOfficial 
The Club can announce that Tim Sherwood has left his coaching position at the Club.


I think he will be our next head coach...
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: PsalmXXIII on May 13, 2014, 12:29:12 PM
Racism?

Ermmmm... Nicholas Anelka?

Those who think Moyes would come here, let's face it he's left a job because players wouldn't respond to his coaching methods and were happy to be less than complimentary about those methods (he's not a bad manager by any account) then as soon as he leaves the players sing the praises of Giggs. Sound familiar?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 13, 2014, 12:34:26 PM
I am sorry but to come and manage WBA you need to be pretty desperate, the club has become a farce. Whoever it is will have to be a yes man to JP and have to accept having hands tied behind his back when it comes to player recruitment. On top of that you MUST work with Dean Kiely & Keith Downing who appear to have jobs for life at Albion.
You were advocating that we got rid of Pepe Mel as I recall?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 13, 2014, 12:37:04 PM
Tottenham Hotspur @SpursOfficial 
The Club can announce that Tim Sherwood has left his coaching position at the Club.

I think he will be our next head coach...
I very sincerely hope not. Apart from all the other things that count against him, having to listen to a strong London accent emanating from our head coach is more than I can bear.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: tommcneill on May 13, 2014, 12:39:07 PM
Sherwood doesn't hold the required licences either I thought
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggysean on May 13, 2014, 12:42:51 PM
Ermmmm... Nicholas Anelka?

Thankyou, it had slipped my mind.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Signor_Maresca on May 13, 2014, 12:45:00 PM
- players recording Mel's team talks because they found them hilarious

Really?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: AidantheBaggies on May 13, 2014, 12:52:09 PM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: monkey nuts on May 13, 2014, 12:54:42 PM
bit of realism needed i feel, were in a mess yes but to say no one would want the job is ridiculous certain people won't i agree but put it this way if you were in this business and was offered a job for 1.5/2 mil a year with a chance of being sacked and probably unless your really bad at it not being your fault and walikng away with compensation as well would you turn it down?

JP as took is eye of it and let people have to much power he knows that a TB coming in is the first part of putting it right, so who knows if it will be right no one we can only summise but to say this job is one no one wants is a falacy whether we like it or not
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: PsalmXXIII on May 13, 2014, 01:12:04 PM
Really?

Pete Colley for Sky Sports said a player had told him that. Chris Lepkowski also said he was going to a press conference with the Manager to a player and the player said 'give my regards to Keith'. The absolute lack of respect amongst those players is disgusting. The club told him to only speak to the media in Spanish too despite his protestations. I'd hazard a guess that was so they could pass off 'language barrier' as the reason players didn't get on board with him when they sacked him.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Dan on May 13, 2014, 01:21:15 PM
Pete Colley for Sky Sports said a player had told him that. Chris Lepkowski also said he was going to a press conference with the Manager to a player and the player said 'give my regards to Keith'. The absolute lack of respect amongst those players is disgusting. The club told him to only speak to the media in Spanish too despite his protestations. I'd hazard a guess that was so they could pass off 'language barrier' as the reason players didn't get on board with him when they sacked him.

You're repeating something that someone else on here claimed to see on Sky Sports News but strangely no one else did, and it was never repeated, which is odd given Sky Sports News shows the same clips all day long.

I suspect, much like the Foster quote someone made up, that actually it never happened. Particularly as said person claimed it happened last game, and Mel's English is reasonable now.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: BB74 on May 13, 2014, 01:26:08 PM
You're repeating something that someone else on here claimed to see on Sky Sports News but strangely no one else did, and it was never repeated, which is odd given Sky Sports News shows the same clips all day long.

I suspect, much like the Foster quote someone made up, that actually it never happened. Particularly as said person claimed it happened last game, and Mel's English is reasonable now.

It didn't claim anything. I just copied and pasted another post from another forum and said I hope this isn't true.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggysean on May 13, 2014, 01:29:30 PM
No sir, it was on last night at around 7pm and I don't think it was repeated. I actually rewound the clip to make sure I'd heard it correctly and there was no doubt about it. Please don't doubt my honesty on this.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: royhan on May 13, 2014, 01:34:30 PM
I don't think he'll get the job because he is not from the type of mould that JP seems to prefer, but I am convinced Tim Sherwood could do a sterling job for us. He is no-one's yes man and he would certainly sort out the cliques that appear to be amongst the player ranks.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: we8seals on May 13, 2014, 01:36:07 PM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: royhan on May 13, 2014, 01:41:04 PM
The betting market on the next Head Coach is still wide open. Malky Mackay still heads the list with most bookies, followed by Brian McDermott and Hughton.
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/west-brom/next-permanent-manager.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Dan on May 13, 2014, 01:43:03 PM
I don't think he'll get the job because he is not from the type of mould that JP seems to prefer, but I am convinced Tim Sherwood could do a sterling job for us. He is no-one's yes man and he would certainly sort out the cliques that appear to be amongst the player ranks.

The club needs a strong manager who commands respect, i'm not sure Sherwood does. He's a rent a quote who makes a lot of noises to the media but it seems he'd just get on the wrong side of too many people. There's a different between not being a yes man and just being awkward to get on with.

Not too mention he has no real footballing style and seems a school of manager who doesn't care much for the tactical side of things, something you can't get away with at a club like us who very few clubs are worse than us. Considering Spurs got hammered by most the teams better than them, that'd be a concern for us.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: spencer Baggie on May 13, 2014, 01:51:56 PM
How about Mcinnes with Appleton as his number 2?

Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: BB74 on May 13, 2014, 01:53:51 PM
How about Mcinnes with Appleton as his number 2?

I would be happy with this arrangement.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: east-stand-nick on May 13, 2014, 01:54:39 PM
It puzzles me why during every managerial search, so many bring up McInnes. He's managing Aberdeen - they would struggle in the Championship. As fondly as we all remember him, he's not a top level manager.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 13, 2014, 01:59:23 PM
How about Mcinnes with Appleton as his number 2?
No thanks, just smacks of jobs for the boys to me. Don't forget that whoever comes in has to have Downing as his Number 2 (in more than one sense I would imagine!).
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Dexy on May 13, 2014, 02:12:29 PM
While Bristol City does go against McInnes (although he kept them up against the odds in his first season) he is just the sort of strong character this squad need in all honesty , I'm pretty sure he would sort a few out if needed.
Hard to judge Scottish football but a Cup win (i think he got a managers award too) should be noted , I'm not sure on what type of football he uses but he is a winner . He would be in my top three choices and i wouldn't be surprised if he got it.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: PsalmXXIII on May 13, 2014, 02:13:43 PM
You're repeating something that someone else on here claimed to see on Sky Sports News but strangely no one else did, and it was never repeated, which is odd given Sky Sports News shows the same clips all day long.

I suspect, much like the Foster quote someone made up, that actually it never happened. Particularly as said person claimed it happened last game, and Mel's English is reasonable now.

Plenty people saw it, as did I. So don't suggest that I've been dishonest with that when I have no reason to lie and others have seen it. He's even been asked about it since on Twitter.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: tommcneill on May 13, 2014, 02:18:07 PM
We got Mowbray from Scotland.....

McInnes would not be my first choice but I wouldn't rule him out
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggysean on May 13, 2014, 02:32:56 PM
Psalm Xxiii, thankyou for confirming what I saw and heard Colley say. I spent the evening fuming about it. It's correct that it wasn't repeated, or certainly the part he referred to as 'Pigeon Spanish', which I posted as 'Pigeon English' as his comment was gibberish.
At least I know now that my SKY Box is working and not just playing something in my house purely for me to see.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: monkey nuts on May 13, 2014, 02:40:49 PM
No thanks, just smacks of jobs for the boys to me. Don't forget that whoever comes in has to have Downing as his Number 2 (in more than one sense I would imagine!).

the new man will bring in at least 1 of his own men and Downing will go back to the job he had with RH and SC, as in the background a bit more 
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: BB74 on May 13, 2014, 02:44:20 PM
Some Aberdeen fans are worried McInnes will be heading our way. Others are pointing to Bristol City and claim that is enough to put us off.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: PsalmXXIII on May 13, 2014, 02:45:04 PM
Psalm Xxiii, thankyou for confirming what I saw and heard Colley say. I spent the evening fuming about it. It's correct that it wasn't repeated, or certainly the part he referred to as 'Pigeon Spanish', which I posted as 'Pigeon English' as his comment was gibberish.
At least I know now that my SKY Box is working and not just playing something in my house purely for me to see.

That's ok. I've not taken it as gospel but it was definitely said on air. I see no reason Colley would lie about what a player had told him and CL has said players made flippant comments of a similar ilk so I'm inclined to believe him. Players seem to think their comments are throwaway because they'll be protected to keep them as a source. A player leaked the bust up too and with how happy they are to make comments to the media now it wouldn't surprise me if they leaked it to further fuel Mel's shortcomings in the media.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Dexy on May 13, 2014, 02:57:45 PM
Some Aberdeen fans are worried McInnes will be heading our way. Others are pointing to Bristol City and claim that is enough to put us off.
Personally like to see a bit more a gamble like McInnes rather than same old Hughton, Malky , Jones .
If it hadn't been for that poor second season at Bristol City after a good spell at St Johnstone added to his success at Aberdeen i think he would be right up there on the boards list.
Young , ambitious , will be keen to prove Brizzle was a one off , knows the club and our limits.
Would be close to getting the job for me.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Dan on May 13, 2014, 03:24:01 PM
Personally like to see a bit more a gamble like McInnes rather than same old Hughton, Malky , Jones .
If it hadn't been for that poor second season at Bristol City after a good spell at St Johnstone added to his success at Aberdeen i think he would be right up there on the boards list.
Young , ambitious , will be keen to prove Brizzle was a one off , knows the club and our limits.
Would be close to getting the job for me.

I can't help but think McInnes represents one of our better options.

Most managers don't want to work within the clubs structure in the first place so that rules out a lot, whilst recent problems will surely make the job pretty unappealing, certainly to anyone who has a decent reputation. Which suggests really our only options will be people who need to repair their reputation - your Hughton's, or relatively inexperienced managers. Certainly not people like Schaaf who we were after in January.

He's got the kind of attitude you'd think the club needs. He did a similar job at Aberdeen last year with a massive restructuring job, and everything we know about him he wouldn't stand for cliques undermining him. Plus Peace actually likes him and presumably if there were real problems within the club, McInnes word would carry some weight.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: swad35 on May 13, 2014, 03:24:49 PM
Mcinnes has a lengthy contract at Aberdeen so can't see us paying a compo package for him, will be out of work manager and there's plenty about.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 13, 2014, 03:43:26 PM
These group of players have proven they have a very poor attitude and need a right kick up the backside, but then they will probably go running to uncle Keith if someone comes in and upsets the precious *****. Their over inflated egos won't allow for a McInnes type that has no kind of reputation outside of Scotland.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: boult on May 13, 2014, 03:51:06 PM
Why would anyone think McInnes or Jones  could be even considered for the job both have failed miserably in the championship. McInnes was a good ex player at the club but at Bristol city a disaster, and Aberdeen Scottish football at best championship level. Brian Mc Dermont been mentioned ex Reading and at moment the Leeds manager hardly a expiring choice. If the club were thinking along that line Martin Jol another ex player who speaks perfect English has managed in the premiership at Spurs and Fulham on a limited budget would be a better fit for the club as if it looks like Downing is staying, Martin Jol would command the respect from players and management team left at the club and could work with the financial budget from the chairman. But whoever gets the job its important they get it right this time galvanize the fans and learn from the mistakes  or we will  sink faster than a battleship to the championship.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: BB74 on May 13, 2014, 03:54:14 PM
Reckon it might be Sven this time round? Certainly fits the tried and tested mould which so many think we will go for this time.

Although he is currently employed, he was also employed (same Chinese club) when we almost offered him the role in January.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Tipton Baggie on May 13, 2014, 04:12:36 PM
David moyes for me, perfect job for him to get his nose back in the game aswell
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 13, 2014, 04:25:02 PM
David moyes for me, perfect job for him to get his nose back in the game aswell

As much as I agree I think he would see us as below him now. He will be looking at jobs like Spurs or Newcastle when they come up, clubs with potential to go a little further if managed right. I just think we would struggle to convince anyone of his calibre to take the job although I did think the same about Hodgson at the time.

I've had a cheeky fiver on Zola, was interviewed last time and the type I think we could easily attract while being more likely to agree to work within our current structure.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: BB74 on May 13, 2014, 04:27:57 PM
Re: David Moyes

We saw how many staff Moyes took with him to Old Trafford. David had a clean sweep of the coaching team there and bought in his own people.

I doubt he would come to us anyway even if we let him take complete control and provided him with a substantial transfer kitty.

The fact that David would have to work with Keith and Dean and would be given one coach, perhaps two with little say over transfers means he can be totally ruled out. Our reputation as a club is in tatters. The only Head Coach we will be employing is one who would walk to the ground for talks from wherever they are in the UK.

Those championing David Moyes as the next Head Coach are thinking we are something we are not and are coming across a bit dingle-esque.

We done very very well to be able to get Roy here I know, but he wanted to get himself in the frame for the England job. Lighting doesn't strike twice and IMO there is no way that Moyes will be our next Head Coach.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Albion79 on May 13, 2014, 04:28:20 PM
After reading some of what our players behaved like under Mel part of me hopes we get a right horrible  b*****d in who will give them hell and ship out the wasters over the next year or so, sadly we wont be able to get rid of them all at once but over the 3 x transfer windows i hope we ship out whoever is the power behind it all.

Reading Reids comments and also the players laughing at Mel's attempts at English in his teamtalks makes them sound like a bunch of school boys, bullys to a certain extent and its pathetic. I have no doubt there are more good than bad in our dressing room but sadly the bad ones usually have the influence.

I think they got too comfortable under Clarke and let him down, he was meant to be there mate and they got him sacked, then clearly didnt respect or give Mel a go and got him the sack too, thats why i would not object if for a season we had a Sir Gary Megson type, a disciplinarian who kicks their arses into touch, i would accept that now if it meant ridding the club of those culprits, sadly dont think it will happen.

Judging by the attitude problem i think our players will behave like idiots whoever gets it from the names banded about, they really seem to think they are something and have some sort of power, i would ask them to get their medal collections out for what they have achieved at top level football, there wouldnt be much there.

I think although us fans like Mcinnes and respect him, most our squad wouldnt have  a clue who he is, Hughton seems a very nice bloke and i could see a Pepe Mel situation where the scumbags take the mick, Malky Mackay would fall possibly into the same catergory as Mcinnes, our players would probably question him as he only managed in the premiership for 4 x months. Sherwood i think would either be brilliant and as he has an ego the size of a planet himself he would either over power them and we become successful or there would be a lot of clashes. I have nothing against any of the above and wouldnt mind any of them being our manager (even Sherwood who i dont like!) its just how i think some of our players would see it, they seem to be quite picky who they bother to try and play for.

A Laudrup, Moyes or Jol type for me, experienced, respected and wouldnt take any rubbish from our divas (especially the latter two) and although i think Kiely and Downing are getting a lot of unfair stick, if they in the clique as some think, then if they have to go to make us better, then so be it.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Dan on May 13, 2014, 04:31:31 PM
Reckon it might be Sven this time round? Certainly fits the tried and tested mould which so many think we will go for this time.

Although he is currently employed, he was also employed (same Chinese club) when we almost offered him the role in January.

Eriksson just chases the money nowadays, his heart doesn't seem into management at all. Which is a shame as he is actually a good, if conservative manager.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: BB74 on May 13, 2014, 04:35:18 PM
Eriksson just chases the money nowadays, his heart doesn't seem into management at all. Which is a shame as he is actually a good, if conservative manager.

I agree, he's chased the money since his Man City days. However, money can't buy him a Premier League job and I reckon give him a standard PL wage and a chauffeur and he would be there. Not that I am championing him by the way!!

I originally voted for Schaaf but can't see that being a goer. Would be happy with McInnes and even Sherwood now. I called him an arrogant c*ck a few weeks ago, which he is but would love to see the fireworks with the 'professional' football players in the football department if he was given the role.
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: JtheMull on May 13, 2014, 04:47:19 PM
I for one would be happy with Sherwood. He's had good form, and is a lot more promising than the likes of Hughton, McDermot etc.
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: BB74 on May 13, 2014, 04:54:28 PM
I said on another thread that I am warming to the idea of Sherwood, which is a complete U-Turn on my original view of the guy.

Tim seems to love the media and reckon he will be Redknapps long term media darling replacement.
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 13, 2014, 04:54:51 PM
I for one would be happy with Sherwood. He's had good form, and is a lot more promising than the likes of Hughton, McDermot etc.

Just NO!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 13, 2014, 04:55:03 PM
Changed my mind. I am behind the Tim sherwood clan.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: jim68 on May 13, 2014, 04:58:43 PM
I would be happy with this arrangement.
so would i give him a go /he,s a winner  ,must have something about him people keep saying  he;s only done well in scotland fair enough but even to go with his current  cv few years back had st johstone turning over celtic and rangers who we all know have dominated for ever 8)
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 13, 2014, 04:59:29 PM
Tim seems to love the media and reckon he will be Redknapps long term media darling replacement.
And is that what we want at our club?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: leeiswba on May 13, 2014, 05:00:31 PM
Changed my mind. I am behind the Tim sherwood clan.

Haha I have just thought the same thing, Laudrup is my first choice and Mcclaren if Derby dont go up but I think I would also be ok with Sherwood.
Title: Re: Tim Sherwood as Albion manager?
Post by: BB74 on May 13, 2014, 05:02:48 PM
And is that what we want at our club?

Not saying that, just stating what I think. I would rather have that sort of character than a Billy 'bully boy' Davies who bars all the local press.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggybazza on May 13, 2014, 05:06:10 PM
Steve Maclaren not on the list? :-[
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: addy on May 13, 2014, 05:11:21 PM
West Brom manager latest: Oscar Garcia in frame after Pepe Mel's messy exit

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/west-brom-manager-latest-oscar-garcia-in-frame-after-pepe-mels-messy-exit-9359513.html
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: PsalmXXIII on May 13, 2014, 05:15:02 PM
I agree, he's chased the money since his Man City days. However, money can't buy him a Premier League job and I reckon give him a standard PL wage and a chauffeur and he would be there. Not that I am championing him by the way!!

I originally voted for Schaaf but can't see that being a goer. Would be happy with McInnes and even Sherwood now. I called him an arrogant c*ck a few weeks ago, which he is but would love to see the fireworks with the 'professional' football players in the football department if he was given the role.

Didn't he tw@ one of his players after they lost 4-0?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: geoff on May 13, 2014, 05:44:13 PM
Still down in the mouth with the departure of PM but sh-t things happen.
I voted for Gary Neville be-course he comes across has a persons who understands the game inside out knows what it takes to play at the highest level, wouldn't stand by & let players rule the roost but most of all would demand 100% effort 100% of the time.
Please Please Please JP no old faces that have failed in the prem already.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Welsh_Baggie on May 13, 2014, 05:51:41 PM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: dangerman on May 13, 2014, 05:56:52 PM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Mr Cynical on May 13, 2014, 06:11:01 PM
Its a really weird one.  The list of people that fit our selection criteria and would consider working under JP must be ever shrinking.

I think if JP wants a cheap option he will go for McInnes.  His association will appease the fans a little after the last few months.  He has had some success.  He'd know what he was letting himself in for.  He might work well with KD and Keily.

I think if JP thinks about what's happened lately a bit harder then he'll realise that he needs to appoint someone that the players will respect, with some experience in the PL and an idea of how to get performances out of some fairly limited players.  That's Martin Jol.

Before Clarke was appointed I wanted Laudrup to be the boss.  However, I think that there is too much negative info following his spell at Swansea.

Personally, I'd like to see someone like Gary Neville or Paul Clement or maybe Eddie Howe given a go - if we are really looking for a coach who can change things and inspire people.

I would be really disappointed if it was Hughton, Jones, McKay, etc... they are all experienced yet have little (if any) success in the PL between them.  Obviously not right for us.  Don't think Rosler, McLaren, Dyche will leave their clubs whilst they are on the up.  Don't think that we'll go for anyone who isn't English or with some relevant English experience, which takes care of Shaff, Pellegrio, etc. Moyes, no chance.  Phelan, no thanks.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Webby on May 13, 2014, 06:11:09 PM
Spurs sacked Sherwood so he's available free.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: royhan on May 13, 2014, 06:14:22 PM
Spurs sacked Sherwood so he's available free.

Go back to posts made several hours ago.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Baggie79 on May 13, 2014, 06:14:56 PM
All this talk of Scottish managers like Moyes, Mackay and McInnes but there is only one Scottish manager who can really sort this group out.

I present to you.......

Alan McNee

Poppycock!!!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: gerry m on May 13, 2014, 06:16:17 PM
Cant see us going for a foriegn coach again! To easy for the players to say they cant understand him :P
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: PsalmXXIII on May 13, 2014, 06:33:51 PM
Cant see us going for a foriegn coach again! To easy for the players to say they cant understand him :P

Can't help but picture that sketch on Little Britain where the weight loss woman can't understand the Indian lady despite her speaking perfectly understandable English.

'You need tackle high up the pitch and no let opposition attack by sit deep. Ok?'
'Nope. Say it again Pepe.'
'Please learn to run after the ball and hard work.'
'Dont understand.'
'Put in some effort please?'
'No, going to need Keith.'

Useless a*seholes.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: silver surfer on May 13, 2014, 06:47:31 PM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Trawl on May 13, 2014, 07:40:02 PM
There is a George Graham quote somewhere. I'm paraphrasing but he said that at a new club have a look around the dressing room and remember that it is these *****s that cost the last man his job. Reading Reid's quotes for example it feels like we need a Megson type character in to look into the eyes of our playing squad.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Rheneas on May 13, 2014, 08:22:17 PM
I'm starting to think that any of the candidates would be okay. What I don't like are the players. It's stating the obvious but if we don't recruit quality there's a serious chance we could go down, and if we went down to the Championship I don't credit half of this lot to show the skill and guts needed to get us back up.

FWIW I still think Moyes. I know there's this stuff about 'he's looking for a bigger club' but if the Albion are serious about doing their due diligence they simply must approach his agent. Nothing ventured nothing gained, and I'd like to think that phone call has already been made.

Then again, we are in the bizarro universe of JP so who knows.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: AlbionDaz on May 13, 2014, 08:23:48 PM
We do need someone that needs to put a bit of fear into our Squad,or at least someone they respect,like a good ex pro like Laudrap,but have a horrible feeling it will be a negative Manager that will come in.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on May 13, 2014, 08:26:43 PM
Really warming to the idea of Sherwood even though I stated before about not liking him! Seems the kinda guy we need! Ruffle some of the peacocks feathers
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: royhan on May 13, 2014, 08:59:31 PM
It is reported that Terry Burton will be involved in the selection of the new Head Coach and yet he doesn't start his job until June 1. I hope he has an input before then or we could lose out on our main candidates.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Adder on May 13, 2014, 09:20:06 PM
I guess June 1st isn't far away but agree that there should be a lot of work to do before then re hunting down the new manager.
Also there are several decisions to be made sooner rather than later regarding players futures....not to mention transfer targets.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: addy on May 13, 2014, 09:34:26 PM
Fits the criteria, cheap, out of work, cheap, a yes man. Sounds perfect for JP

Ruled out by CL at least.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 13, 2014, 09:37:33 PM
If we are going to go for someone based on their coaching abilities what about Paul Clement?

http://www.thenational.ae/paul-clement-quietly-climbing-the-ladder
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggie38 on May 13, 2014, 09:38:17 PM
Nigel Adkins anyone? I hear JP rates him highly.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: BB74 on May 13, 2014, 09:50:47 PM
Lepko interviewed on Talksport on our vacancy. Worryingly didn't rule Downing out. Downing was put off by McDonough (SP) being around back in December/January hence why he was adamant he did not want the role originally. Now his position may have changed though.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Adder on May 13, 2014, 10:28:01 PM
Lepko interviewed on Talksport on our vacancy. Worryingly didn't rule Downing out. Downing was put off by McDonough (SP) being around back in December/January hence why he was adamant he did not want the role originally. Now his position may have changed though.
What did he say about other possibles ?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: BB74 on May 13, 2014, 10:40:15 PM
What did he say about other possibles ?

Ruled Jones out and Sherwood. Also spoke about RDM and said that players reported him to the board for not being hands on. Compared Clarke and Mels seasons and said they were very similar. That is all I caught of it really to be honest, missed the first bit.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: kirk on May 13, 2014, 10:53:03 PM
So players have a history of getting the manager the sack
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: PsalmXXIII on May 13, 2014, 11:19:29 PM
Ruled Jones out and Sherwood. Also spoke about RDM and said that players reported him to the board for not being hands on. Compared Clarke and Mels seasons and said they were very similar. That is all I caught of it really to be honest, missed the first bit.

Reported him to the board for not being hands on? Are you kidding me? He's head coach. The name even suggests that aside from training sessions and the game, they're in charge of other coaches who then train the players. How petty to report him. There's different managerial styles out there and they don't like any of them.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: graka on May 13, 2014, 11:20:00 PM
nigel adkins seems appealing from a poor list. very harshly sacked from Southampton and he as managed at all levels so im sure he would soon notice any cliques in the dressing room.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: AlbionDaz on May 13, 2014, 11:21:37 PM
nigel adkins seems appealing from a poor list. very harshly sacked from Southampton and he as managed at all levels so im sure he would soon notice any cliques in the dressing room.
Have a lot of respect for Adkins too,we could do worse I guess.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: wbako on May 13, 2014, 11:27:32 PM
Steve Clarke: did a decent job at a team called West Brom until he was sacked.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 13, 2014, 11:32:55 PM
Reported him to the board for not being hands on? Are you kidding me? He's head coach. The name even suggests that aside from training sessions and the game, they're in charge of other coaches who then train the players. How petty to report him. There's different managerial styles out there and they don't like any of them.
If it makes you feel better, I remember Chelsea were having similar complaints from players.

 RDM is very aloof of the team and not very approachable, making it difficult to learn his way as obviously his assistants (Eddie Newton at this time) had their own ideas that would, consciously or not, change the way they played to Robbie's original plan, In a way he'd tell the no 2 to teach "something", no2 teaches it but with subtle changes that he thinks are right (stuff like "a bit to the left" or "mark a little closer"), RDM see's them play, says their wrong but doesn't say what he wants and the cycle continues.

Kinda like Mel, The whole reason Mcdonough was telling the players what to do was because he was "interpreting" what Mel wanted.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on May 13, 2014, 11:39:51 PM
Ruled Jones out and Sherwood. Also spoke about RDM and said that players reported him to the board for not being hands on. Compared Clarke and Mels seasons and said they were very similar. That is all I caught of it really to be honest, missed the first bit.

Why rule Sherwood out?! He has a bit of a growing support on twitter
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: BB74 on May 13, 2014, 11:45:32 PM
Why rule Sherwood out?! He has a bit of a growing support on twitter

CL has said he is too outspoken and is one of those characters that wouldn't get on with JP. Also pointed out that JP has never appointed anyone of a fiery nature.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: BB74 on May 13, 2014, 11:48:25 PM
If it makes you feel better, I remember Chelsea were having similar complaints from players.

 RDM is very aloof of the team and not very approachable, making it difficult to learn his way as obviously his assistants (Eddie Newton at this time) had their own ideas that would, consciously or not, change the way they played to Robbie's original plan, In a way he'd tell the no 2 to teach "something", no2 teaches it but with subtle changes that he thinks are right (stuff like "a bit to the left" or "mark a little closer"), RDM see's them play, says their wrong but doesn't say what he wants and the cycle continues.

Kinda like Mel, The whole reason Mcdonough was telling the players what to do was because he was "interpreting" what Mel wanted.

Also got to wonder why RDM has not been approached since his Chelsea sacking. Still getting paid from what I can gather but if he was that good someone would have taken a punt. I'm sure Chelsea would give any move their blessing just to get him off the payroll.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Dan on May 13, 2014, 11:52:53 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/tottenham-boss-tim-sherwood-sacked-3536722

Considering the Spurs players reportedly went to the board and demanded Sherwood was sacked or they'd leave, I really, really don't think he's what we need.

A strong coach yes, but you can be strong without upsetting everybody along the way as Sherwood seemed to do. It's pretty naive to go out slagging off your employer and players in public too, there's only one way that's going to end.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: bagstaff on May 13, 2014, 11:55:00 PM
If it makes you feel better, I remember Chelsea were having similar complaints from players.

 RDM is very aloof of the team and not very approachable, making it difficult to learn his way as obviously his assistants (Eddie Newton at this time) had their own ideas that would, consciously or not, change the way they played to Robbie's original plan, In a way he'd tell the no 2 to teach "something", no2 teaches it but with subtle changes that he thinks are right (stuff like "a bit to the left" or "mark a little closer"), RDM see's them play, says their wrong but doesn't say what he wants and the cycle continues.

Kinda like Mel, The whole reason Mcdonough was telling the players what to do was because he was "interpreting" what Mel wanted.
 


this wouldn't be the same chelsea players who saw themselves as being bigger than scolari, villas boas etc - different club same problem in my opinion.  Players think they are more important than the club
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: alex1 on May 14, 2014, 12:00:43 AM
Has to be someone playing expansive attractive football. I remember being very impressed by Swansea coming to the Albion under Laudrup. Also, Frank de Boer or Ronald Koeman, who are both free now, are very successful coaches playing attractive football, but expect they want a club playing in European cups. They would suit JP as they prefer developing the youth rather than big transfer fees.

I'm not sure about any of the British candidates. Sherwood is still learning, but he has a decent record and plays attractive football.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: overseas baggie on May 14, 2014, 12:15:28 AM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Cornwallbaggie on May 14, 2014, 12:58:29 AM
Anyone considered a player-manager, someone like, say, Luiz Suarez?!

Ok, a daft idea and a bit of a joke, but this is my first post on the Forum, and in deepest west Cornwall I'm not completely au fait with all the latest shenanigans going on around B74 (the media down here just tend to focus on Truro City!).

But seriously, I do remember us doing rather well with Jonny Giles as player-manager...
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Ska-dForLife-WBA on May 14, 2014, 01:10:29 AM
Anyone considered a player-manager, someone like, say, Luiz Suarez?!

Ok, a daft idea and a bit of a joke, but this is my first post on the Forum, and in deepest west Cornwall I'm not completely au fait with all the latest shenanigans going on around B74 (the media down here just tend to focus on Truro City!).

No kidding; B74 is Sutton Coldfield  ;)

The era of player-managers seemed to grind to a bit of a halt in the Nineties, and I think in top flight football particularly these days you need someone able to watch from the sidelines and see the bigger tactical picture.  Plus our last player-manager was Brian Talbot, and that one didn't go as well as Giles  ;D
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggie38 on May 14, 2014, 01:13:10 AM
That worries me that CL refused to rule out Downing. I'm sure the players would love that appointment. We need someone with experience now.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on May 14, 2014, 03:30:00 AM
First let me say I am completely OOTK ( out of the know)
Based on the list of candidates we compiled and my hugely scientific  ;) reasons:

got it good where he is
wants to spend big money
no premier experience
too outspoken
dream on if we can get him
will upset JP
Poor premier record

I could only come up with the following survivors....
Jol
McDermott
McIness
Downing
Phelan
and I'll throw in Wilkins and Adkins

Long shots would be McCarthy,Zola, Rosler,Garcia

I don't see us attracting European managers after the Pepe debacle and our spending habits or lack thereof will deter most of the remainder. I'm sure we could argue others could be eliminated for similar reasons but I started looking in the cupboard and it was getting low on  candidates.

Can't wait for this to be over!!!





Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on May 14, 2014, 03:31:56 AM
Silly me of course theres Appleton, Mowbray and RDM :o
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Vassassin on May 14, 2014, 04:22:31 AM
Tony Popovic for me, has done wonders at Western Sydney Wanderers. Also, 6' 4" a giant of a man with a temperement to suit. Heard he's heading over there for discussions possibly at Norwich. Hope he pops into the Hawthorns for a looksy.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: royhan on May 14, 2014, 04:59:21 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/tottenham-boss-tim-sherwood-sacked-3536722

Considering the Spurs players reportedly went to the board and demanded Sherwood was sacked or they'd leave, I really, really don't think he's what we need.

A strong coach yes, but you can be strong without upsetting everybody along the way as Sherwood seemed to do. It's pretty naive to go out slagging off your employer and players in public too, there's only one way that's going to end.

I was warming to a Sherwood appointment until I read this Mirror story. Now, I think we should forget such an appointment and look to someone of the ilk of Adkins, McClaren or Clement.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: swad35 on May 14, 2014, 05:27:53 AM
Tony Popovic for me, has done wonders at Western Sydney Wanderers. Also, 6' 4" a giant of a man with a temperement to suit. Heard he's heading over there for discussions possibly at Norwich. Hope he pops into the Hawthorns for a looksy.

Can't see it happening at the baggies but a good shout he will do well cutting his teeth in the championship. Tough bloke and good manager.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 14, 2014, 05:57:42 AM
Steve Clarke: did a decent job at a team called West Brom until he was sacked.
Laugh out loud
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Lloydy on May 14, 2014, 06:47:53 AM
After hearing Lepkowski on Talksport last night I'm more convinced than ever that it will be Keith Downing. I think he'd be keen on the role now and he'd be the players choice. No one else will touch us with a barge pole.

I also agree with CL that it's very unlikely we'll appoint a foreign coach this time round. I've put money on Downing to ease the pain when he's appointed.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Chipperfan on May 14, 2014, 07:04:01 AM
After hearing Lepkowski on Talksport last night I'm more convinced than ever that it will be Keith Downing. I think he'd be keen on the role now and he'd be the players choice. No one else will touch us with a barge pole.

I also agree with CL that it's very unlikely we'll appoint a foreign coach this time round. I've put money on Downing to ease the pain when he's appointed.

If that's the case, not even God can help us.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on May 14, 2014, 07:41:32 AM
After hearing Lepkowski on Talksport last night I'm more convinced than ever that it will be Keith Downing. I think he'd be keen on the role now and he'd be the players choice. No one else will touch us with a barge pole.

I also agree with CL that it's very unlikely we'll appoint a foreign coach this time round. I've put money on Downing to ease the pain when he's appointed.

Surely he'd already be in by now if that was the case?!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: BB74 on May 14, 2014, 07:51:15 AM
Surely he'd already be in by now if that was the case?!

Maybe we will do the usual five weeks off faffing only to appoint Downing therafter claiming he was always number one choice of the board.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBASPE77 on May 14, 2014, 08:09:22 AM
I really hope its not Keith Downing and the club show a bit more ambition to get someone with experience at this level. I would be very very worried about next season if he does get the job.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: we8seals on May 14, 2014, 09:20:25 AM
I really hope its not Keith Downing and the club show a bit more ambition to get someone with experience at this level. I would be very very worried about next season if he does get the job.

I would be more than worried if Downing were appointed. However i am clinging to the same - possibly delusional - hope that i am about the possible appointment of Dave Jones. And that is that even JP would not be that daft. For one thing Jp is not a stupid man (although some of the decisions he has presided over in the last 12 months are disguising that rather well) - and whilst there is generally a shocking contempt shown for the supporters by the cub which is worse now than at any time in my 40 odd years as a supporter - JP must know that an incendiary appointment like Jones or appointing someone at the heart of the shocking events of the past 18 months would be just bonkers. If nothing else it would would reduce the value of his "investment"
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: BB74 on May 14, 2014, 09:22:03 AM
Quick poll......

Dave Jones or Keith Downing?  ???

Would have to be Dave for me.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: PsalmXXIII on May 14, 2014, 09:26:17 AM
Quick poll......

Dave Jones or Keith Downing?  ???

Would have to be Dave for me.

Is there a 'throw yourself off a bridge' option?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 14, 2014, 09:29:21 AM
Quick poll......

Dave Jones or Keith Downing?  ???

Would have to be Dave for me.

Don't know why, instantly thought of the Eddie Izzard line, 'Cake or Death?'
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 14, 2014, 09:30:19 AM
Is there a 'throw yourself off a bridge' option?

Haha!!!! Yes I'd take that one.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: we8seals on May 14, 2014, 09:31:55 AM
Is there a 'throw yourself off a bridge' option?

cant answer that question! its like asking if you want to be shot or hanged!

and stop depressing me...am clinging to the hope that even JP wont do either of those barking mad things
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: we8seals on May 14, 2014, 09:41:08 AM
whoever gets appointed i have two pieces of advice -

dont bother doing too much unpacking and watch the door does not hit you on the backside on your way out!!

oh dear i am becoming more cynical by the day!!!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Chipperfan on May 14, 2014, 09:45:46 AM
whoever gets appointed i have two pieces of advice -

dont bother doing too much unpacking and watch the door does not hit you on the backside on your way out!!

oh dear i am becoming more cynical by the day!!!

Good sound advice for any Albion Head Coach/Manager.

Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: tommcneill on May 14, 2014, 09:45:49 AM
Don't know why, instantly thought of the Eddie Izzard line, 'Cake or Death?'


Death please errr no cake!!  ;D

I hope its not Downing and I pray its not Jones
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: spencer Baggie on May 14, 2014, 09:48:30 AM
One name not mentioned too much ...

Ryan Giggs.

Unlikely to feature under Van at Utd. Could bring in one coach (Scholes, Butt, Phelan etc)

Likes attacking football which we are desperately crying out for.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Rheneas on May 14, 2014, 09:52:18 AM
Quick poll......

Dave Jones or Keith Downing?  ???

Would have to be Dave for me.

Sorry but that's like asking me if I want a dog poo sandwich or a glass of cat's wee.  :o


Alongside getting in a golascorer, this is the single most important signing the Club will make this summer.

There are more inspiring managers out there at the moment.







Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Chipperfan on May 14, 2014, 09:57:34 AM
Sorry but that's like asking me if I want a dog poo sandwich or a glass of cat's wee.  :o


Alongside getting in a golascorer, this is the single most important signing the Club will make this summer.

There are more inspiring managers out there at the moment.

I'm struggling to think of any less inspiring.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Rheneas on May 14, 2014, 10:02:31 AM
Sam Allardyce.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Chipperfan on May 14, 2014, 10:06:30 AM
Sam Allardyce.

Good point well made.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: whiteymcduff on May 14, 2014, 10:17:11 AM
Remi Garde has just left Lyon, did he work with Terry Burton at Arsenal?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: JDWest_Brom on May 14, 2014, 10:29:13 AM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Welsh_Baggie on May 14, 2014, 10:41:16 AM
I would like Sherwood - Bale had good things to say about him (namely he got him in the team) and wanted him manager instead of Redknapp and has a good record.

or

Mike Phelan - If you believe him he ran Man Utd's training, tactics and selection for the last 5 seasons.  Don't see any other Premier League winning managers/coaches coming here.

But it will be Jones - he's been ruled out by CL so is a dead cert!!

Praying it's not Downing!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggyman68 on May 14, 2014, 10:55:46 AM
I hope we get another Spanish manager!

I don't want to throw away my Spanish flag, cost me three quid!!!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 14, 2014, 10:58:55 AM
Mike phealan is a good shout after what I heard about him
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Signor_Maresca on May 14, 2014, 10:59:41 AM
Mike phealan is a good shout after what I heard about him
What have you heard about him?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Adder on May 14, 2014, 11:01:55 AM
If Burton wants to keep his job for a while which is what a club needs from a technical director, it would be risky appointing Dave Jones.
Given Burton's strong links with him its inevitable it would be viewed as his appointment......and if things went wrong it wouldn't be the best of starts for Burton.

Lets face it Jones failed badly at Sheff Weds - it would be a nonsensical appointment...we'd be better off looking at Stuart Gray who's taken over.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ronny boy on May 14, 2014, 11:53:41 AM
Being realistic here, with all the free agents about there's little or no chance we will approach someone managing another club or working in the media at the moment. Add in the fact that they will have to speak good English, have experience of the Premier League and fit into our structure. Leaves you with following possibilities ...

Laudrup, Jol, Moyes, Phelan, Hughton, Mackay, Zola, Sherwood, Downing & Jones.

You may be able to add Petrescu & Prosinecki to that list, depending on their English.

Surely from this list a shortlist to improve us next year should include:

1) Laudrup
2) Jol
3) Phelan
4) Prosinecki (English dependant)
5) Moyes OR Petrescu (dependant on interest)

2 we should not consider at all are Downing or Jones. Theres only one way that will end.  :'(

 

 
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggieboyfred on May 14, 2014, 11:58:07 AM
I would take Sherwood or Laudrup but do not under any circumstances appoint anyone currently at the club, they all have to take their share of the blame for the car crash that was last season
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Mister AT on May 14, 2014, 11:59:56 AM
By the looks of the article on Express and Star, alot of the 'senior' players want Downing.

I think they only way this club will get rid of Downing and Kiely as coaches will be if they have the job full time and fail at it, which would probably lead to relegation.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 14, 2014, 12:00:14 PM
Obviously it wont be anyone that wants to play football :(Good Luck to the bloke who has just left us and wants to play football how it should be played
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Chipperfan on May 14, 2014, 12:21:11 PM
Obviously it wont be anyone that wants to play football :(Good Luck to the bloke who has just left us and wants to play football how it should be played

My sentiments too. I'm really not excited by the prospect of going backwards to safety first (odd expression for a system that had us in a downward spiral since December 2012).

And as you say, good luck Pepe, a man on integrity and honour.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: garry on May 14, 2014, 12:45:15 PM
By the looks of the article on Express and Star, alot of the 'senior' players want Downing.

Seems as good a reason not to appoint him then.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Rheneas on May 14, 2014, 01:58:33 PM
I hope we get another Spanish manager!

I don't want to throw away my Spanish flag, cost me three quid!!!

Pep Guardiola.

Vincente Del Bosque.

Naranjito.

 ;)
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Savvas78 on May 14, 2014, 02:13:50 PM
I voted for Moyes because I'm an optimistic sort (even for all matters Albion!). But aside from the "Chosen One" I think Martin Jol, re-energised from a shmoke and a pancake, would be a fantastic appointment purely because of his experience and Premier League success as a manager (oh, and he speaks English  ???)
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Astle1968 on May 14, 2014, 02:16:15 PM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: mulliganstired on May 14, 2014, 02:19:43 PM
I voted for Moyes because I'm an optimistic sort (even for all matters Albion!). But aside from the "Chosen One" I think Martin Jol, re-energised from a shmoke and a pancake, would be a fantastic appointment purely because of his experience and Premier League success as a manager (oh, and he speaks English  ???)
I would like either of these two.  I spite of what has happened recently, I don't think the majority of our players need reining in as such (I think this "rotten to the core" thing has been overstated partly because they couldn't be arsed after we were safe - on-one was using the word "rotten" after West Ham).  But I do think they need someone with a proper track record and a bit of "weight" to reinstate the boundaries, so these two fit the bill.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: tuamigos on May 14, 2014, 02:22:40 PM
Yep, I'm hoping we go for Moyes, gives him a chance to rebuild his reputation at a club where if he finishes above 15th will be an achievment.
The only stumbling block will be David Moyes. He may not see us as a big enough fish and there was talk of him wanting to manage in Germany.
Sherwood will never be appointed, too much of a loose canon and not the amiable character that Peace will be after.
I'd take any of the following, Rossler, McClaren, Jol.
The club needs to put a smile back on its face, they have started well by appointing Burton, please dont score an own goal by appointing somebody that the fans will have a downer on from the off.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggie38 on May 14, 2014, 02:24:36 PM
CL has tweeted saying there has been more then 50 applicants for the job in the past 2 days...and he said the Albion job isn't attractive anymore last night  :D
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: maximus on May 14, 2014, 02:27:11 PM
Personally, I want Moyes, As last time i felt a manager suited us was when Hodgson got sacked by Liverpool and was over the moon we got him, But i feel Moyes might be looking for a bigger club and budget. Other than that i really don't know who is best suited.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Savvas78 on May 14, 2014, 02:27:34 PM
Quote
CL has tweeted saying there has been more then 50 applicants for the job in the past 2 days...and he said the Albion job isn't attractive anymore last night  :D

Well that all depends on who's applied doesn't it?!  ;D
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: spencer Baggie on May 14, 2014, 02:50:49 PM
CL has tweeted saying there has been more then 50 applicants for the job in the past 2 days...and he said the Albion job isn't attractive anymore last night  :D

49 .. I've withdrawn mine ;)
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: wbarenno on May 14, 2014, 02:55:49 PM
If downing got the job we would only be going in one direction and it isnt up. Your likes of ridgewell,reid,morrison etc would all stay. It would be like one big downing clique. Wouldnt be good at all. I think that would be the 2nd worst outcome behind dave jones coming in.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Sessegod on May 14, 2014, 03:04:32 PM
If downing got the job we would only be going in one direction and it isnt up. Your likes of ridgewell,reid,morrison etc would all stay. It would be like one big downing clique. Wouldnt be good at all. I think that would be the 2nd worst outcome behind dave jones coming in.
step back with drowning, need someone with fresh ideas, hopefully burton will have a good idea.

Just walked the dog having a think about it, would Pulis have seen us rise up the league if we took him on back in Jan? The palace chairman signed 8 players in Jan, doubt he would have got that support from JP.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Rheneas on May 14, 2014, 03:11:53 PM
Personally, I want Moyes, As last time i felt a manager suited us was when Hodgson got sacked by Liverpool and was over the moon we got him, But i feel Moyes might be looking for a bigger club and budget. Other than that i really don't know who is best suited.

That's been my reasoning all along as regards the person we need.

But as for looking for a big club and big budget, the Albion don't pale at all in comparison to other Prem clubs who might be interested in him.

Newcastle: Yes a 'bigger' club perhaps, but there's no chance he'd have squillions to splash there, and there's no sign Pardew's off...yet.

Soton: Too far from Moyes's home. Wouldn't call them a 'bigger' club than Albion.

West Ham: "Bigger" then Albion maybe, but it's a bit of a poisoned chalice and too far from his home base.

Spurs: size and budget they outgun the Albion, and rumours linked him there prior to him landing the Utd job, but I dare say they'll be looking for a flash Continental coach again.

We could be a great fit for him. He's got a reputation to recapture, we've got lost ground to make up for. He did a very similar 'reboot' job at Everton to what'd be needed at the Hawthorns.

It's simply not pie in the sky to think we could get him. It's a realistic opportunity which the club have to explore.

I could only realistically see us losing out if he decided he wants a longer rest, if Spurs come calling or if, as others have said, he wants to try his hand abroad.

Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: timdon on May 14, 2014, 03:18:28 PM
That's been my reasoning all along as regards the person we need.

But as for looking for a big club and big budget, the Albion don't pale at all in comparison to other Prem clubs who might be interested in him.

Newcastle: Yes a 'bigger' club perhaps, but there's no chance he'd have squillions to splash there, and there's no sign Pardew's off...yet.

Soton: Too far from Moyes's home. Wouldn't call them a 'bigger' club than Albion.

West Ham: "Bigger" then Albion maybe, but it's a bit of a poisoned chalice and too far from his home base.

Spurs: size and budget they outgun the Albion, and rumours linked him there prior to him landing the Utd job, but I dare say they'll be looking for a flash Continental coach again.

We could be a great fit for him. He's got a reputation to recapture, we've got lost ground to make up for. He did a very similar 'reboot' job at Everton to what'd be needed at the Hawthorns.

It's simply not pie in the sky to think we could get him. It's a realistic opportunity which the club have to explore.

I could only realistically see us losing out if he decided he wants a longer rest, if Spurs come calling or if, as others have said, he wants to try his hand abroad.
.... and ours isn't?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggie38 on May 14, 2014, 03:20:14 PM
According to CL and Tom Ross some of the applicants are of "very good quality" I'd love to see that list of names.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Astle1968 on May 14, 2014, 03:23:26 PM
If Spurs or Newcastle go for him I cant see him coming to us but looking at his possible destinations

Spurs - Wont be in for him

Newcastle - Looks like Pardew will stay

Southampton - Selling there best 2 players this summer, question marks about the owners interest, in a lot of debt (clutching a bit here) but mainly because they can't really progress higher or have a better season than they just have. Would Moyes want to go somewhere in his current position where the best he can do is match the previous guy?

West Ham - Fickle fans could get on his back early, and put more pressure on him. However will spend silly money on players if he wants, London club with (ridiculously) big media profile which will keep him in the spotlight, moving to a new 60k seater stadium. IF Allerdyce does go then I can see him here

Villa - If Lambert goes then this is another option. I would expect them to be in for him, especially if they get a new owner with money to spend.

So basically if Allerdyce or Lambert go and they both want him (which I would imagine they would) I dont give us much more than 5% chance of landing him. However theres no guarantee either of them will get the sack and as it stands I think we are his best option.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: BB74 on May 14, 2014, 03:30:14 PM
Michael Appleton has to be good value at 67/1 and 101/1.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Dan on May 14, 2014, 03:36:31 PM
I highly doubt Moyes would want to move here. Hodgson wasn't as high profile as Moyes is and had the mitigating factor that he wanted the England job and his only chance was to jump straight back into management and do well.

Moyes can and almost certainly will wait for a good job to become available.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: smosher34 on May 14, 2014, 03:51:28 PM
if downing gets the job we will go down , simple as that !
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: wbarich on May 14, 2014, 04:58:49 PM
I voted for Sherwood, but I don't see it happening as he wouldn't fit in with Peace! I would be delighted with Moyes, but I don't see it happening. Failing one of these 2, I'd settle for anyone other than Downing or Jones!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 14, 2014, 05:00:35 PM
I haven't seen it corroborated elsewhere, but a Sky reporter earlier said that we were only looking for someone who isn't currently in a job. It would fit in with the Chairman's ethos of course if it is the case.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: wbarich on May 14, 2014, 05:17:19 PM
I haven't seen it corroborated elsewhere, but a Sky reporter earlier said that we were only looking for someone who isn't currently in a job. It would fit in with the Chairman's ethos of course if it is the case.
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We will definitely go for someone who isn't currently in a job! Peace isn't going to pay compensation when there are so many freebies around!!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 14, 2014, 05:28:50 PM
We will definitely go for someone who isn't currently in a job!
Hopefully that will rule out Downing then!  ;D
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: smethwickw on May 14, 2014, 05:36:22 PM
step back with drowning, need someone with fresh ideas, hopefully burton will have a good idea.

Just walked the dog having a think about it, would Pulis have seen us rise up the league if we took him on back in Jan? The palace chairman signed 8 players in Jan, doubt he would have got that support from JP.

I'm pretty sure that Pulis would have improved us considerably without any backing. Our squad is arguably still stronger than Palace's even with their Jan addition. He'd have got a lot more out of our lazy lot and tightened us up at the back. This type of manager is our only hope without a massive overhaul of the playing staff. Moyes is the one we should be pulling up trees to recruit IMO.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lickey baggies on May 14, 2014, 05:45:27 PM
I hope we get another Spanish manager!

I don't want to throw away my Spanish flag, cost me three quid!!!

Nor me I blogged my flag of jack Russell in a swansea pub, sentimental value now !!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 14, 2014, 06:56:33 PM
So its going to take a possible 6 weeks to announce the new head coach.Not sure if this is good or bad
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on May 14, 2014, 07:25:39 PM
So its going to take a possible 6 weeks to announce the new head coach.Not sure if this is good or bad

Needs to be in place 2 weeks before the start of pre-season IMOP so that is 5 weeks? Any later it will mess the clear out up and delay incomings plus we could lose some potential new players.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Pelsall_Baggie on May 14, 2014, 07:37:30 PM
I haven't seen it corroborated elsewhere, but a Sky reporter earlier said that we were only looking for someone who isn't currently in a job. It would fit in with the Chairman's ethos of course if it is the case.

Which translates to "This is total and utter speculation, I haven't the faintest."
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: GrGr on May 14, 2014, 07:39:04 PM
So after the club fired Mel the situation for our new manager will be:

1. Arbitrary management by the board
2. Rotten squad that is ready to back stab the new manager
3. Complacent players
4. Fans wanting positive football.
5. Limited squad quickly going stale
6. Disgruntled fans disillusioned with management and players
7. No money to improve the squad "unless the manager sells first"
8. Selling is not an option because we don't have anyone to sell
9. A chairman notoriously difficult to work with

So, guess what kind of head coach we will get. Forget any 'name' with ambitions. This club will not choose it's new head coach. After the Pepe Mel fiasco we will end up with someone. Whoever we end up with will no doubt by default be the "first choice candidate".
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 14, 2014, 08:05:53 PM
I see our potential new head coach is on the panel for the Europa final ITV4 :)
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: suffolk baggieboy on May 14, 2014, 08:50:42 PM
I think JP will wait until after the World Cup, England will get knocked out early and typical media will call for Roy to be sacked and he will come back to the Albion.  :D
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 14, 2014, 08:54:42 PM
I think JP will wait until after the World Cup, England will get knocked out early and typical media will call for Roy to be sacked and he will come back to the Albion.  :D



Cant afford to wait until mid July.England will win the world cup :P
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: geoff on May 14, 2014, 09:02:02 PM
Well if David Moyes was appointed our new head coach it will be the 1st time that a fans choice has been appointed since god knows when. Just hope we dont get a coach of the old prem roundabout, Young fresh & hungry
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on May 14, 2014, 09:10:45 PM
It's been reported on WM and E&S website the appointment could take for 4 to 6 weeks!! Jesus!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 14, 2014, 09:11:32 PM
I can still see absolutely no reason why David Moyes would want to come to us. He needs his next job to be successful, so will want to go to a club that has some ambition and where he isn't expected to work with one arm tied behind his back.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: royhan on May 14, 2014, 09:12:13 PM
Glen Hoddle is the new favourite according to more than one bookie tonight. See Oddschecker.com
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 14, 2014, 09:14:32 PM
Glen Hoddle is the new favourite according to one bookie tonight. See Oddschecker.


A man that wants to play football the Pepe Way.You know what i would not be too down about that
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on May 14, 2014, 09:19:00 PM

A man that wants to play football the Pepe Way.You know what i would not be too down about that

Thing is, I'm Disabled and have a MAJOR problem with the guy
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 14, 2014, 09:28:54 PM
It's been reported on WM and E&S website the appointment could take for 4 to 6 weeks!! Jesus!

Pre-season will mostly already be planned out so that won't be much of an issue and I would rather take time to get the right man than rush into it. Obviously the earlier it gets done the better though as there is plenty of work to do with this squad.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 14, 2014, 09:31:21 PM
Terry Burton will have a big role to play before and after.Hopefully by the time the new head coach is announced The likes of Billy are on the way to being sorted for the better
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 14, 2014, 09:32:15 PM

A man that wants to play football the Pepe Way.You know what i would not be too down about that

Ask the Wolves fans what they think of Glenn Hoddle. That will tell you everything you need to know.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 14, 2014, 09:56:02 PM
Ask the Wolves fans what they think of Glenn Hoddle. That will tell you everything you need to know.


a bit like asking the Norwich fans about Chris Hughton i suppose :)
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: albiontilidie on May 14, 2014, 10:26:03 PM
Glen Hoddle is the new favourite according to more than one bookie tonight. See Oddschecker.com

The bookies havent got a single bit of a clue on this one, No bookie has a clue, follow betfair  first of all on the odds,

I could change manager odds with a tiny bit of money on any of the sites no problem
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Atomic on May 14, 2014, 11:34:38 PM
Ask the Wolves fans what they think of Glenn Hoddle. That will tell you everything you need to know.


You could ask Liverpool fans what they thought of Roy Hodgson.

Sometimes managers and clubs are a bad fit, sometimes they fit like hand and glove.

To be fair if you look at Wolves as a club and Hoddle and their footballing philosophies they couldn't be much more different. That was always going to be a marriage made in hell.

Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Atomic on May 14, 2014, 11:35:53 PM
The bookies havent got a single bit of a clue on this one,


True. They never have when it comes to our managerial appointments.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggie38 on May 14, 2014, 11:48:40 PM
So its going to take a possible 6 weeks to announce the new head coach.Not sure if this is good or bad

Good in my opinion. I would rather they do their homework and get this one right.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: graka on May 14, 2014, 11:50:18 PM
we must have known at least 3 weeks ago pepe wasn't staying and we were also safe. when you consider the new head coach would also like some say in the signings of new players it is total negligence by peace and his cohorts to even think about taking that long. afterall we done this 6 months ago!! simple look at our prime targets, makay,moyes,sherwood,hughton. approach them to see who is interested then appoint the best candidate to fit into our structure. my god its not rocket science.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: overseas baggie on May 15, 2014, 12:11:05 AM
Hoddle wouldn't be the worst option.  Likes to play football the right way, did a decent job for England and got sacked for non-footballing reasons, and certainly knows the game.  Is very hungry to get back into management and so is likely to accept the club structure.

Has a huge ego but it may have reduced through passage of time out of work.  Has he been out of it too long? That might be a valid question.

As for his time at Wolves?  Every manager fails at some stage. Most learn from their negative experiences.  Besides, you can't polish a turd!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Standaman on May 15, 2014, 12:48:15 AM
I try not to be negative about potential recruits before they even cross the threshold but Hoddle has not managed anybody since his somewhat inglorious reign at the Custard Bowl ended in 2006. He claims to have many realistic offers since but he also made claims about  Eileen Drewery's healing powers, there is a reason why he has not had a management job since and it is not because he is just a little bit misunderstood.

I am perplexed as to why some posters think Moyes is a realistic prospect. I see the parallels between him and Hodgson but the key difference was Hodgson wanted the England job and had to get himself back in the shop window to give himself a shot at it. There is no such imperative for Moyes, who looked spent by the end of stint at Man United and given his reputation from his Everton days he can afford to take a break and wait for something better to come along.

I think we need to get this appointment right and whilst I don't think we will ever keep a Coach for more than a few years it is important that we get this appointment right and whoever it is gets the time to lay down a real style of play which we can build on in the Swansea did with Martinez.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: GrGr on May 15, 2014, 02:10:16 AM
"Liverpool's Brendan Rodgers prepared to offload players who have failed to make impression" (quote from today's Guardian).

That's how you improve your team and squad. Players that don't cut it get moved on, not kept on the books because they are difficult to move on. Or rather, they are not difficult to move on, but the difficulty is to try and make some sucker pay over the odds for a player who hasn't impressed. And when nobody pays over the odds, why the club ends up NOT moving the failed player on. Subsequently there is no improvement of the team and squad. Duh.

We can play change the head coach forever but until we have a functional squad it won't matter. Put a decent squad in place and I'm sure a lot of people could do a decent job. Since we lost our cutting edge we have had a championship team. If we want to survive in the Prem we need a Prem level team. No head coach can keep a Championship level team in the Prem forever.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: wappingbaggie on May 15, 2014, 02:48:58 AM
I voted Oscar Garcia but I think he will go to Spurs.

Uwe Rosler and Michael laudrup and Sherwood would all be fine for me (plus I think we could get them)

No way Roy is coming back - hes reached the pinnacle and will retirre when the Eng job finishes

Moyes would not come here and I dont really see why we would want him.

Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on May 15, 2014, 04:31:31 AM
Can someone name a potential candidate with a philosophy of good defending, creative midfield and attacking awareness.
If you can narrow it down to those basics then you could advise JP where to start looking.
We need someone who has b*lls to stand up to the team and a great coaching instinct. Not many of those around.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: gerry m on May 15, 2014, 05:09:27 AM
Put it this way! It wont be someone who wants to play open attractive, attacking football as the players cant ,wont play it.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: PsalmXXIII on May 15, 2014, 08:01:02 AM
"Liverpool's Brendan Rodgers prepared to offload players who have failed to make impression" (quote from today's Guardian).

That's how you improve your team and squad. Players that don't cut it get moved on, not kept on the books because they are difficult to move on. Or rather, they are not difficult to move on, but the difficulty is to try and make some sucker pay over the odds for a player who hasn't impressed. And when nobody pays over the odds, why the club ends up NOT moving the failed player on. Subsequently there is no improvement of the team and squad. Duh.

We can play change the head coach forever but until we have a functional squad it won't matter. Put a decent squad in place and I'm sure a lot of people could do a decent job. Since we lost our cutting edge we have had a championship team. If we want to survive in the Prem we need a Prem level team. No head coach can keep a Championship level team in the Prem forever.

Spot on. The current crop of players which the majority of the squad are made up of have been here 3+ years and when drilled well under Roy really over achieved. That's what Hodgson does, takes average teams and makes them hard to beat. Since then we've made no permanent improvements and actually lost plates that improved the squad. We need a ruthless squad assessment every post season.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: we8seals on May 15, 2014, 08:29:20 AM
Good in my opinion. I would rather they do their homework and get this one right.

its shocking and its hopeless. it is utterly inconceivable that the decision to part company with Pepe Mel was not made several weeks ago and most of us - whilst not liking it - could see the writing on that particular wall way back. The board had the opportunity to back Mel but essentially hung him out to dry. In that case presumably the search for a new manager should have been under way - so what we are saying is that its going to take us three months to find our man. I seem to recall JP being lauded for having someone in place when he sacked RDM - thats looking more like luck than judgement right now!

oh and if all the decisions on players are being made by Mr Burton why not give him the job....oh i know its the players who are managing the team!!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: garry on May 15, 2014, 08:33:11 AM
The board are clearly hoping for an early exit from the World Cup for England so they can tempt Uncle Roy back.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Standaman on May 15, 2014, 08:42:45 AM
Put it this way! It wont be someone who wants to play open attractive, attacking football as the players cant ,wont play it.

It won't be someone who wants to move to a style of play that does not suit the current players overnight but it does not mean that style is unattractive. Don't get me wrong I am not happy with the current players and regardless of their response to Mel's approach their level of application in the last three games is typical of their performances since they were safe by last Christmas which is pretty poor. However just replacing the players out of contract and the loanees is 8 players and that gives the new coach plenty of scope to remould the squad.

Whoever comes in the first priority is to stop us shipping in two goals a game regardless of what we do going forward that will kill us. All that will take is some organisation and drilling the basics into the players it is what Roy did and his successors have failed to do.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: wbarich on May 15, 2014, 02:50:33 PM
Look on @DougWoodsorMole - this lad on twitter is bigtime saying it's going to be Dave Jones. Sounds pretty sure, hoping it's just the usual BS rumours on Twitter though ...
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: swad35 on May 15, 2014, 03:00:04 PM
Look on @DougWoodsorMole - this lad on twitter is bigtime saying it's going to be Dave Jones. Sounds pretty sure, hoping it's just the usual BS rumours on Twitter though ...

I really don't get why there are so many rumours about Dave Jones. That's not a dig but his name won't go away. Is there a reason why I should be concerned or is it just because he is an out of work manager. Surely the club won't be considering someone who left Sheffield Weds in Dec 2013, two places of the bottom of the championship!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: wbarich on May 15, 2014, 03:03:54 PM
I really hope we don't get Jones. There are so many rumours because of the Terry Burton link, as well as Jones being available, cheap & British which would suit JP down to the ground! I agree though surely we won't be stupid enough to appoint him, it would be an outrage!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Signor_Maresca on May 15, 2014, 03:04:16 PM
Look on @DougWoodsorMole - this lad on twitter is bigtime saying it's going to be Dave Jones. Sounds pretty sure, hoping it's just the usual BS rumours on Twitter though ...

Bio states he works for the Daily Mirror so I wouldn't get too upset just yet.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: wbarich on May 15, 2014, 03:14:55 PM
Bio states he works for the Daily Mirror so I wouldn't get too upset just yet.

I didn't see that bit .. panic over .. for now!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: tuamigos on May 15, 2014, 03:41:58 PM
Look on @DougWoodsorMole - this lad on twitter is bigtime saying it's going to be Dave Jones. Sounds pretty sure, hoping it's just the usual BS rumours on Twitter though ...

Dave Jones is not in the running for West Brom's next manager according to WM last night.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: BB74 on May 15, 2014, 03:43:54 PM
Dave Jones is not in the running for West Brom's next manager according to WM last night.

Chris Lepkowski would back that up.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: wbarenno on May 15, 2014, 08:21:47 PM
Dave Jones is not in the running for West Brom's next manager according to WM last night.

Theres is a god!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Gilsey 56 on May 15, 2014, 09:28:20 PM
If we are going to have a Head Coach rather than a Manager, i would like to see someone come in who is actually going to do what the job tital means , which is improve players technically and the team working as a unit.
this is exactly what Roy did and all very good coaches do, anybody can pick a team and send it out and is what as been happening for the last 2 years.
So lets have a coach who will improve players and work with the team on the training ground.
My pick would be some one like Hoddle  not someone who as just got his coaching badges.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: hardtobeat on May 15, 2014, 09:31:47 PM
Would Frank Rijkaard come under that heading :) :)?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggie38 on May 15, 2014, 09:32:58 PM
I still think it will be Hughton. We were after him before we appointed Clarke so it wouldn't surprise me if we at least give him a interview.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: BB74 on May 15, 2014, 09:35:38 PM
I still think it will be Hughton. We were after him before we appointed Clarke so it wouldn't surprise me if we at least give him a interview.

But if he still insists on bringing his mates along for the ride then it's a no go from the off.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Gilsey 56 on May 15, 2014, 09:42:37 PM
Alas , i think you might be right so lets all go back to sleep now.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: cuckfield1704 on May 15, 2014, 09:46:13 PM
Derek McInnes' time has come.

Inspirational captain of the Club and Megson's first lieutenant - read Dave Matthews book if you need additional evidence of this.
St Johnstone were in the middle of nowhere when he was given his first managerial job. He got them into the Premier league and laid the foundations of this weekend's Cup Final and Europe next season. He saved Bristol City from a hopeless position then did not receive any essential board financial support the following season with inevitable results.
At Aberdeen he has won a trophy in his first season - that Club's first for 20 years!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: wbarenno on May 15, 2014, 10:00:31 PM
I disagree myself i think mcinnes would be a bad apointment. We think the premier league is out of his depth.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggie38 on May 15, 2014, 10:02:44 PM
Derek McInnes' time has come.

Inspirational captain of the Club and Megson's first lieutenant - read Dave Matthews book if you need additional evidence of this.
St Johnstone were in the middle of nowhere when he was given his first managerial job. He got them into the Premier league and laid the foundations of this weekend's Cup Final and Europe next season. He saved Bristol City from a hopeless position then did not receive any essential board financial support the following season with inevitable results.
At Aberdeen he has won a trophy in his first season - that Club's first for 20 years!

I think its far to soon for Mcinnes. I think we now need someone with plenty of premier league experience and is going to give the current crop of players a good kick up the backside. Aswell as being able to attract quality players to seriously strengthen the dross we have at the moment.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Dexy on May 15, 2014, 10:03:44 PM
Derek McInnes' time has come.

Inspirational captain of the Club and Megson's first lieutenant - read Dave Matthews book if you need additional evidence of this.
St Johnstone were in the middle of nowhere when he was given his first managerial job. He got them into the Premier league and laid the foundations of this weekend's Cup Final and Europe next season. He saved Bristol City from a hopeless position then did not receive any essential board financial support the following season with inevitable results.
At Aberdeen he has won a trophy in his first season - that Club's first for 20 years!
If you want someone other than  from the usual suspects McInnes is your man , certainly get a few upset fans back .
Looking at it another way if we don't go for him and he turns up in the top flight as a success we will be kicking ourselves.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: GrGr on May 15, 2014, 10:13:22 PM
I think its far to soon for Mcinnes. I think we now need someone with plenty of premier league experience and is going to give the current crop of players a good kick up the backside. Aswell as being able to attract quality players to seriously strengthen the dross we have at the moment.

I don't buy this "attract quality players" really. The players go where there is the best money/opportunity. The PL coaches with plenty of "experience" tend to be previous failures that are recycled because they have "experience" (at failing I guess). Oh for a head coach with real talent.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: paulosull on May 16, 2014, 08:23:38 AM
Was going to say not many good coaches about but that statement is wrong. There are men who have sacrificed their principles to try and stay in a job for more than five minutes mediocre players now have the power so good luck to who ever gets job you will need it
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Chipperfan on May 16, 2014, 08:36:32 AM
Was going to say not many good coaches about but that statement is wrong. There are men who have sacrificed their principles to try and stay in a job for more than five minutes mediocre players now have the power so good luck to who ever gets job you will need it

Absolutely agree with the sentiment. Our players are prime examples of the irresponsible, adolescent breed of sportsman that infests top level football. They have been a disgrace for eighteen months now and unless the next head coach is backed in standing up to them and getting them into shape then our decline will continue.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: eaststandbaggie on May 16, 2014, 10:00:34 AM
The current speculation of who the next coach will be, maybe mildly interesting.But the way the hierarchical management team preform it will be a long drawn out process.
All 50 or so candidates need to be vetted ,sorted into who is the cheapest,who is a yes man.Who will not demand we buy expensive players.
Who will be happy working with the current dressing room and the cliques who flourish there .and can dictate what style of football we play,even if it nearly dropped us into the championship.
I only hope the selection is lead by our new Director of Football as he seems to be the only member of staff who has clue,
I think you can forget all the name banded about at the moment,it is paper talk or ITK people who are not really in the know.
I think even the directors have not got an idea at the moment.So lets look forward to 3/4 weeks of newspaper fed frenzy.Only to be totally underwhelmed when the new coach is announced.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: BB74 on May 16, 2014, 10:19:52 AM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: costa blanca baggie on May 16, 2014, 10:36:51 AM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: wba1968-Tim on May 16, 2014, 11:39:53 AM


Latest Odds BET365
A real change in the odds today with less money going on Downing/Sherwood but Jones was 8/1 yesterday so someone has had a largeish punt.

Show GraphDave Jones           3   Really? Would we seriously consider him? I do hope NOT                  
Show GraphMalky Mackay   6   
Show GraphTim Sherwood   11/2   
Show GraphGlenn Hoddle   7   
Show GraphChris Hughton   8
Show GraphKeith Downing   10
Show GraphBrian McDermott   11
Show GraphDerek McInnes   8
Show GraphNeil Lennon   20
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: geoff on May 16, 2014, 11:54:33 AM

Latest Odds BET365
A real change in the odds today with less money going on Downing/Sherwood but Jones was 8/1 yesterday so someone has had a largeish punt.

Show GraphDave Jones           3   Really? Would we seriously consider him? I do hope NOT                  
Show GraphMalky Mackay   6   
Show GraphTim Sherwood   11/2   
Show GraphGlenn Hoddle   7   
Show GraphChris Hughton   8
Show GraphKeith Downing   10
Show GraphBrian McDermott   11
Show GraphDerek McInnes   8
Show GraphNeil Lennon   20

Its looking at tables like this thats making me depressed  >:( :(
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: wbarenno on May 16, 2014, 12:05:45 PM

Latest Odds BET365
A real change in the odds today with less money going on Downing/Sherwood but Jones was 8/1 yesterday so someone has had a largeish punt.

Show GraphDave Jones           3   Really? Would we seriously consider him? I do hope NOT                  
Show GraphMalky Mackay   6   
Show GraphTim Sherwood   11/2   
Show GraphGlenn Hoddle   7   
Show GraphChris Hughton   8
Show GraphKeith Downing   10
Show GraphBrian McDermott   11
Show GraphDerek McInnes   8
Show GraphNeil Lennon   20

The club have said its going to take 4-6 weeks to hire a coach. These betting odds mean nothing and are irrelevant
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggie steve on May 16, 2014, 12:18:35 PM
No smoke without fire and the name Dave Jones keeps cropping up.......He's not my choice by a long way but just have a feeling it will be him.....
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: kris_boing on May 16, 2014, 12:22:05 PM
The club needs to get the fans back on side.  The appointment of Jones would have the opposite effect.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Chipperfan on May 16, 2014, 12:23:41 PM
Just been watching an interview with CL on the Evening Mail website.

Some quotes...Peace is "aiming high" with this appointment "higher than Steve Clarke"...it will be an "English speaking manager".

He also said Mel was a mistake, and that Peace said no one had been approached yet.

That kind of puts Jones back in his box doesn't it? Even his strongest supporters would struggle to make him "higher than Steve Clarke". Same goes for Downing.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: BB74 on May 16, 2014, 12:24:01 PM
No smoke without fire and the name Dave Jones keeps cropping up.......He's not my choice by a long way but just have a feeling it will be him.....

Don't think there's any fire this time. Punters just know the connection between DJ and Burton.  We also made no secret that we have spoke to him during our due diligence a few times in the past. Jones's career has gone backwards since we spoke to him first a decade ago. There is no way we will go for him, Peace is not that daft.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: wba1968-Tim on May 16, 2014, 12:33:07 PM
Just been watching an interview with CL on the Evening Mail website.

Some quotes...Peace is "aiming high" with this appointment "higher than Steve Clarke"...it will be an "English speaking manager".

He also said Mel was a mistake, and that Peace said no one had been approached yet.

That kind of puts Jones back in his box doesn't it? Even his strongest supporters would struggle to make him "higher than Steve Clarke". Same goes for Downing.

Hoddle ?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: mulliganstired on May 16, 2014, 12:40:57 PM
I'd rather almost anyone than Hoddle.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Yamaka on May 16, 2014, 12:51:17 PM
No smoke without fire and the name Dave Jones keeps cropping up.......He's not my choice by a long way but just have a feeling it will be him.....

Here is a link for everyone who believes in this ridiculous and damaging fallacy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ybLA2Ux3to
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: east-stand-nick on May 16, 2014, 01:14:55 PM
Here is a link for everyone who believes in this ridiculous and damaging fallacy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ybLA2Ux3to

Haha. In all seriousness though, if our country and justice system was based on "no smoke without fire" then a lot of innocent people would be in prison. One of the most illogical phrases out there.

People are reading far too much into betting odds yet again.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Brummie Road on May 16, 2014, 02:48:24 PM
I wonder if Carlos Queiroz might be considered? Vastly experienced Coach who may be available after the World Cup.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Rheneas on May 16, 2014, 03:03:25 PM

Latest Odds BET365
A real change in the odds today with less money going on Downing/Sherwood but Jones was 8/1 yesterday so someone has had a largeish punt.

Show GraphDave Jones           3   Really? Would we seriously consider him? I do hope NOT                  
Show GraphMalky Mackay   6   
Show GraphTim Sherwood   11/2   
Show GraphGlenn Hoddle   7   
Show GraphChris Hughton   8
Show GraphKeith Downing   10
Show GraphBrian McDermott   11
Show GraphDerek McInnes   8
Show GraphNeil Lennon   20

I think that's the operative term. I'd bet (excuse pun) that relatively little money has been wagered as yet on this market, so even a small number of people making a bet on a particular name will skew the market.

Love the 'aiming high' quote. It gives me a bit of hope.

Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggie96 on May 16, 2014, 03:18:57 PM
Everything points towards David moyes. I think he may have applied for the job too
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Astle1968 on May 16, 2014, 03:25:37 PM
Thats list is seriously depressing, however I would be surprised if it was any of those. Most of them have been 1st/2nd/3rd favourite for our managers job at some point in the last 3 years and none of them have ever got it despite the press insisting 'mackay is the favourite' 'hughton to be announced next week' 'albion to target curbishley' etc etc year after year.

The only ones I could remotely see it being on that list are Mackay or Lennon

Dave Jones - No chance, lazy journalism at best           
             
Malky Mackay - Possible, but I think he is off to Norwich hence why his dispute with Tan was solved so swiftly. 

Tim Sherwood - No way Peace would appoint someone with his personality

Glenn Hoddle - Again cant see him fitting in to our structure. I know he is a coach but has a huge ego

Chris Hughton - Could of appointed him 2 or 3 times now when his stock was a lot lot higher. Can't see why we would go back in for him now when it's plummeted.

Keith Downing - Have a slight doubt (panic) this could come off, but I don't think Peace would be stupid enough.

Brian McDermott - Can't see this at all 

Derek McInnes - If he didn't play for us he wouldn't be in the top 50 for this job. How would you feel now if we were being linked with a Dundee Utd manager who previously got Peterborough relegated? Peace doesn't look at it like a fan and without that there's no reason to appoint him.

Neil Lennon - Really really hope not. As a man I think he's utterly detestable, as a manager he has proved absolutely nothing. Rather get Mcinnes even without the connection.

Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: wbarenno on May 16, 2014, 03:30:37 PM


Dave Jones - No chance, lazy journalism at best           
           

Wasnt he in the final 3 with Mel though? I hope your right but Jones would be the worst case scenario closely followed by Downing getting the job. Ill take anything other then them two
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Wbahunty on May 16, 2014, 03:38:20 PM
Everything points towards David moyes. I think he may have applied for the job too

I would like to see him as Albion manager, would be a great appointment for a club like us! Its simlar to Hodgson getting the job, not liked at Liverpool, next West Bromwich Boss and I never thought that would happen!

If we are unable too (and proberbly are), get him then I would hate to see a manager such as Dave Jones come in...we need a bit of stability and if we appoint somone who has taken a club down before then if we start the season with 3 losses then the fans will be panicing almost from the off and we will have another sacking on the cards.

We need to go big or go home!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Dan on May 16, 2014, 03:41:16 PM
Moyes has a bigger profile than Hodgson did, not to mention Hodgson needed to get back into management for the England job. Moyes meanwhile will know that basically any side outside the top 7 would love him as manager.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggieboytom on May 16, 2014, 03:45:17 PM
Taking as many factors as I can into account, this is who I wouldn't mind take over as head coach; picking from the top 20 on oddschecker.

Tim Sherwood - Abit of a wildcard, but I don't think he did a bad job at spurs, not sure on his position with regard to his coaching badges but i'm sure it wouldn't be much of an issue. Sounds like the club arn't interested though, and he may be off to Brighton.

Andrea Mandorlini - Looks like a promising option but I don't think the club are that keen on another foreign coach.

David Moyes - This is my preferred option, think it could be a good move for everyone involved, especially if Moyes is mentally ready to jump straight back into coaching.

Dick Advocaat - I think this is pretty unlikely to happen but wouldn't say no.

Some more options down the list below the top20 I like/wouldn't mind;
Paul Clement,
Dan Petrescu,
Uwe Rosler,
Slaven Bilic.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 16, 2014, 04:19:41 PM
Dave Jones laugh out loud, not a cat in hells chance
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: GrGr on May 16, 2014, 04:44:37 PM
Personally I find Moyes a rather boring and stiff coach. He failed at United because his idea of football is way too static and square. United have always been a very dynamic, attacking side but Moyes had no idea how to step up. Everton always were one of the "best of the rest clubs" but even if they never had serious resources to put into the team they always had a bit of muscle compared to clubs like us.

Having said that, if we are looking for a 'safe' coach to keep grinding out mid table security year in and year out Moyes would probably be a very, very safe bet. Without a shadow of a doubt there are far worse candidates out there. Also Moyes is a good, decent man which in my book is important. 
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Rheneas on May 16, 2014, 05:32:30 PM
Glad some people are warming to the idea of Moysey.

I always thought his Everton were a mixed bag. They could certainly grind out a result and could get very physical, but to give him and them their due they were never anything less than disciplined and professional, and could play with some style when circumstances permitted. He made them a very balanced team.

I know Martinez has taken things up a notch, but he had Moyes's foundations to build on.

Him aside, I can't really think who would be a better fit for us. I do think Hughton comes across well as a person and I don't think he's a completely busted flush as a coach, but Norwich's inability to score last season and find a way out of that rut is a cause for concern, especially as if we don't get proper investment in our squad things could easily go that way for us.

No-one else on the list apart from Lennon inspires me really.

FWIW I think Hoddle is a bit of a latter day George Graham or Curbishley, i.e. has been good in the past but a longish time out of football and just a name bandied around almost for the sake of it. 

 
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: jim68 on May 16, 2014, 05:57:23 PM
Derek McInnes' time has come.

Inspirational captain of the Club and Megson's first lieutenant - read Dave Matthews book if you need additional evidence of this.
St Johnstone were in the middle of nowhere when he was given his first managerial job. He got them into the Premier league and laid the foundations of this weekend's Cup Final and Europe next season. He saved Bristol City from a hopeless position then did not receive any essential board financial support the following season with inevitable results.
At Aberdeen he has won a trophy in his first season - that Club's first for 20 years!
i'm with you all the way on this young and hungry and not afraid to dish out rollockings /we have not had a proper captain since ;)
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Atomic on May 16, 2014, 06:20:20 PM
 :(
i'm with you all the way on this young and hungry and not afraid to dish out rollockings /we have not had a proper captain since ;)


No we haven't and I think that is a big problem. We have a lack of leadership amongst the playing personnel. Moaning and going above the head coaches head is not leadership it's immaturity and probably mixed with arrogance.

The new manager needs to be someone who will pull everything together. He doesn't necessarily need to be a nasty bugger or even a hard man but he does need to command respect and assert his authority.

We need a captain, a proper one, who will be an extension of the manager on the field and who will pull people through tough times whilst also showing professionalism and loyalty off the pitch.

Someone like Hoddle I think would fit us really well where we are now, or Moyes. Both have managed at higher levels than Albion as a club and both are well respected in the game.

Someone like McInnes would be interesting and I wouldn't be opposed to him. He's cut his teeth in management and has done well. Is he ready for an Albion type job? Well it's probably the next step for him.

Whoever comes in I just hope it's not one of the has been / never was brigade or one of those coaches that has done OK in the Championship and nothing else. I'm sure it wont be.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: bry on May 16, 2014, 06:43:15 PM
So far so good

Kept Brunt and Dorrans

Let go all the other dross

Shame about Billy Jones but I'm led to believe he has run down his contracts at his last two clubs and he's injury prone. He had the club where he wanted them.

Just need to keep our best players and bring in 6 good players and a really good manager like David Moyes.

Peace has been rubbish for the last 18 months but he is no fool. I think he's learn't his lesson and I'm optimistic he will get it right next season.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: addy on May 16, 2014, 06:49:18 PM
I would like Moyes, but if Norwich go for Lennon I think Moyes will end up at Celtic.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: geoff on May 16, 2014, 07:52:04 PM
i'm with you all the way on this young and hungry and not afraid to dish out rollockings /we have not had a proper captain since ;)

I agree but not many fans seem to think a captain has a place in modern football I'm of the opinion a good'n is needed now more than ever on & off the pitch.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: mb1 on May 16, 2014, 08:48:54 PM
Everything points towards David moyes. I think he may have applied for the job too

Fingers crossed. This would be a fantastic appointment!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: RogerBadoo on May 17, 2014, 09:00:50 AM
I have pondered this over the last couple of days and despaired slightly at the lack of interesting choices. Jones, Hoddle, Sherwood etc

In the end I have come up with three that would work for me. McClaren from Derby if they lose on the Play-off Final, Rosler from Wigan or McInnes.

I don't really have a favourite among the three - but if pushed I reckon McClaren would be first choice.

Having said that - I'd still prefer Pepe Mel......
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: royhan on May 17, 2014, 09:17:32 AM
Seeing that we are looking for a Head Coach, not a manager, I'd be happy with either McClaren, Hoddle or Paul Clement, who is coaching Real Madrid and may be keen to step into a No.1 role.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: wbarenno on May 17, 2014, 09:25:20 AM
Seeing that we are looking for a Head Coach, not a manager, I'd be happy with either McClaren, Hoddle or Paul Clement, who is coaching Real Madrid and may be keen to step into a No.1 role.

I would be intrested to see what clement could do. But would you swap madrid for west bromwich? :D
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: paulosull on May 17, 2014, 09:34:25 AM
I would be intrested to see what clement could do. But would you swap madrid for west bromwich? :D
if they lose the champ final cannot see him being there next season come on athletico
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: addy on May 17, 2014, 10:26:38 AM
Guillem Balague ?@GuillemBalague  14m
A top Spanish manager wanted in the PL. In last 2 months Quique Sanchez Flores has had approaches from West Brom, West Ham, Newcastle

Interesting, last two months? After we had already got Mel?

Also resigned yesterday...

http://www.dubaieye1038.com/quique-sanchez-flores-resigns/

Was he not a stand out candidate in January for us? But compensation was an issue.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: PsalmXXIII on May 17, 2014, 10:41:19 AM
Guillem Balague ?@GuillemBalague  14m
A top Spanish manager wanted in the PL. In last 2 months Quique Sanchez Flores has had approaches from West Brom, West Ham, Newcastle

Interesting, last two months? After we had already got Mel?

Also resigned yesterday...

http://www.dubaieye1038.com/quique-sanchez-flores-resigns/

Was he not a stand out candidate in January for us? But compensation was an issue.

Do we stump up huge wages for him to then have the players mafia disrespect him?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: addy on May 17, 2014, 10:54:03 AM
Do we stump up huge wages for him to then have the players mafia disrespect him?

I am not sure how our players can disrespect a manager who won the Europa League a few years ago. Besides the players are being culled anyway.

Flores also is English speaking.

Not to mention he has managed players such as Aguero, Costa, Forlan, Reyes.

I would love to see some of our shower of sh*t say anything to him :D
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 17, 2014, 11:15:14 AM
Guillem Balague ?@GuillemBalague  14m
A top Spanish manager wanted in the PL. In last 2 months Quique Sanchez Flores has had approaches from West Brom, West Ham, Newcastle

Interesting, last two months? After we had already got Mel?

Also resigned yesterday...

http://www.dubaieye1038.com/quique-sanchez-flores-resigns/

Was he not a stand out candidate in January for us? But compensation was an issue.



Does this mean i can keep my flag.
Lets just get Dave Jones, Chris Hughton and Malky out of the equation then i will start to breath more easily
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Gilsey 56 on May 17, 2014, 11:40:03 AM
what an opportunity for someone with all the rubbish gone a decent amount to spend on wages ,  bring in your own players and the close season to work with.
what would Pepe have given for that and that's the last time i mention him, honest.
Great chance for us to start fresh.
Got a feeling he will be British, as long as its not the three you mentioned Jack i to will sleep easier.
For what its worth i would love Curbishley or Hoddle.
HERE WE GO AGAIN.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Plastic Paddy on May 17, 2014, 03:11:12 PM
Guillem Balague ?@GuillemBalague  14m
A top Spanish manager wanted in the PL. In last 2 months Quique Sanchez Flores has had approaches from West Brom, West Ham, Newcastle

Interesting, last two months? After we had already got Mel?

Also resigned yesterday...

http://www.dubaieye1038.com/quique-sanchez-flores-resigns/

Was he not a stand out candidate in January for us? But compensation was an issue.

I can't honestly see JP going down the foreign coach route again. I expect that if Flores ends up in the PL, he is more likely to end up at Spurs than ourselves (although we can always live in hope).

At least this summer won't be dull with the World Cup, a new kit to be unveiled >:(, new Head Coach to be announced and the potential of up to 10 new players being signed :o
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Mr Cynical on May 17, 2014, 03:51:51 PM
For what its worth i would love Curbishley or Hoddle.

Odd choice.  Hoddle last managed in 2006, Curbishley 2008.  No idea why they would be on the possibles list.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: GrGr on May 17, 2014, 03:54:46 PM
Odd choice.  Hoddle last managed in 2006, Curbishley 2008.  No idea why they would be on the possibles list.

I strongly agree. They belong in another era and let them stay there. Necromancing them wouldn't do us any favours I fear.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggie82 on May 17, 2014, 05:06:40 PM
I reckon we are going after Paul Clement, assistant at Madrid. Top-rated coach and English; would be the good fit. If it possible nothing could happen until the champions league final is over.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Chipperfan on May 17, 2014, 05:16:24 PM
I reckon we are going after Paul Clement, assistant at Madrid. Top-rated coach and English; would be the good fit. If it possible nothing could happen until the champions league final is over.

Clement would be my choice. Good pedigree and very, very well thought of and reputedly looking for a top job somewhere, fits the profile JP has outlined.

I'd be happy with that appointment. Still wish Pepe was still here though.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: alex1 on May 17, 2014, 05:33:13 PM
Hope Lennon is not a realistic candidate. I watched Celtic twice last season, and although he has bags of enthusiasm jumping on the touchline, the football was like watching a glorified pub team.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: east-stand-nick on May 17, 2014, 07:19:05 PM
Some of the names mentioned in this thread beggar belief. Neil Lennon?! Any one of us on here could win the SPL with Celtic.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: albion59 on May 17, 2014, 07:56:09 PM
i voted for mcinnes and have always discounted tim sherwood but after listening to him talking about the cup final i have changed my mind and now think he would be a good shout.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: albiontilidie on May 17, 2014, 08:18:33 PM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on May 17, 2014, 08:45:00 PM
I think it's almost certain to be a Brit and that it is also very probable that it'll be a guy with current top flight experience.

If it's a guy from the continent I'll be very surprised!

Be interesting to see if McClaren can be dragged over should Derby fail (I really really hope they don't however, QPR failing to get out of the Champ with a wage bill bigger than Atletico Madrid would be too funny!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: dan7heman on May 17, 2014, 09:52:07 PM
I voted for Jol but the more I think of it Mclaren makes a lot of sense. I think he'd come if Derby don't get up.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: slate on May 17, 2014, 09:54:27 PM
Many posters keep mentioning "player power" but since Reid and Ridgewell are now off, I'm guessing that the dressing room might simmer down a little?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: royhan on May 17, 2014, 10:43:47 PM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 17, 2014, 10:49:16 PM
Steve bould. Laugh out loud. Another Steve Clarke cheap option. Absolutely no way >:(
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Post by: bry on May 17, 2014, 10:53:08 PM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 17, 2014, 11:11:49 PM
I wouldn't listen to a word that comes out of the Mirror, The Sun or any of the other main-stream newspaper rubbish.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Chipperfan on May 17, 2014, 11:20:41 PM
Here we go again just as I started to feel a  bit more positive about next season with the clear out of players; the appointment of Terry Burton; Chris Lepowski interview with Peace and then this news. Another few weeks of torture before we know.

I shouldn't worry Bry. Bould is a non starter. Just the crappy London press scratching around for a story.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: bry on May 17, 2014, 11:27:01 PM
I shouldn't worry Bry. Bould is a non starter. Just the crappy London press scratching around for a story.

I'm more worried about Dave Jones than Steve Bould.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: maccbaggie on May 17, 2014, 11:44:44 PM
Mackay is off to Norwich so that's one less to worry about
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Chipperfan on May 17, 2014, 11:47:01 PM
I'm more worried about Dave Jones than Steve Bould.

Jones? About as much chance as me!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggie38 on May 18, 2014, 12:14:55 AM
Mackay is off to Norwich so that's one less to worry about

Is that for certain? ive seen nothing confirmed.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Standaman on May 18, 2014, 12:26:40 AM
It's the Mirror who correct me if I am wrong was confidently predicting the return of Di Matteo last time out. In different circumstances I would be relaxed about Bould but right now I think we don't need someone in their first role as a Head Coach. I couldn't give a monkeys about Dave Jones former connections with the Wolves but on the other hand I would be concerned because he isn't very good.

We will have another few weeks of this to endure before it is put to bed I am fairly confident that the national press will be full of uninformed speculation
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: GrGr on May 18, 2014, 12:31:55 AM
Why do people look at the bookies? Time and time again they have proven that they A. are not in the loop B. List a lot of the "usual suspects" in the hope that plenty of people will bite the hook and spend money on *no hopers" which equals easy no risk money for the bookies!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: SirTonyM on May 18, 2014, 01:02:05 AM
WBA get Terry Burton from Arsenal and then the media try and find a link. I guess it was either Wenger or Bould now to be linked with the Albion  :)
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ian66 on May 18, 2014, 01:09:28 AM
WBA get Terry Burton from Arsenal and then the media try and find a link. I guess it was either Wenger or Bould now to be linked with the Albion  :)
Or Dave Jones.

As Terry Burton is apparently big mates with Jones.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: bangkokbaggie on May 18, 2014, 01:26:21 AM
I can't honestly see JP going down the foreign coach route again. I expect that if Flores ends up in the PL, he is more likely to end up at Spurs than ourselves (although we can always live in hope).

At least this summer won't be dull with the World Cup, a new kit to be unveiled >:(, new Head Coach to be announced and the potential of up to 10 new players being signed :o

I'm not too sure. JP did say that he was looking for a top English speaking replacement (not specifically British) so I interpret that as meaning any reputable foreign coach that speaks excellent English would be considered.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: GrGr on May 18, 2014, 02:25:33 AM
I'm not too sure. JP did say that he was looking for a top English speaking replacement (not specifically British) so I interpret that as meaning any reputable foreign coach that speaks excellent English would be considered.

Also, from the CL interview "interpretation" by CL, JP said that Clarke and Mel had been a mistakes and he wanted a coach with better merits. That puts the bar pretty high.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: swad35 on May 18, 2014, 02:32:18 AM
I would be very surprised if Peace takes on a number two for for his number one, especially after Clarke, I would also be very surprised if Peace took on an unpopular manager such as Jones especially with the kit issue and the fans disgust with last season. It's been said that's its Peace's club and he will do what he wants which is true however when season ticket and kits sales are down then that's less profit.

I think he will go high profile and experience similar to RH.

Life is all about surprises, reckon we are due some good news
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBASPE77 on May 18, 2014, 08:39:06 AM
I hope that is the case swad35. I very much doubt we will appoint Dave Jones, I think he is a very average manager really should have taken Cardiff up but never. Just read this morning about Steve Bould that would never happen either especially if Peace has said that appointing Steve Clarke was a mistake. I was very surprised when we got Roy Hodgson lets hope the club can pull something like this off again.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: bangkokbaggie on May 18, 2014, 10:19:35 AM
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Post by: Rheneas on May 18, 2014, 10:22:02 AM
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Post by: overseas baggie on May 18, 2014, 10:52:08 AM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: smosher34 on May 18, 2014, 10:55:43 AM
martin jol for me , out of work had a break and takes no rubbish just what we need .
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on May 18, 2014, 11:22:45 AM
I would be very surprised if Peace takes on a number two for for his number one, especially after Clarke, I would also be very surprised if Peace took on an unpopular manager such as Jones especially with the kit issue and the fans disgust with last season. It's been said that's its Peace's club and he will do what he wants which is true however when season ticket and kits sales are down then that's less profit.

I think he will go high profile and experience similar to RH.

Life is all about surprises, reckon we are due some good news

Unless a new head coach is prepared to work without their own backroom staff then a number 2 might be the only viable option.

We have the same issue every time the position becomes vacant.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Mooncat on May 18, 2014, 11:32:37 AM
Also important to remember that McLaren has strong links to Derby having played for them and been there as a coach/assistant amanger previously - I don't think he'd leave to join us unless they wanted rid of him.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 18, 2014, 11:33:30 AM
You know what watching Tim Sherwood on goals on Sunday he could quite easily win me over.Pity i couldn't see him getting on with JP though.No more paly paly dressing rooms thats for sure
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: AidantheBaggies on May 18, 2014, 12:03:37 PM
The more I read and hear, the more I think Downing will get the job.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jimmy on May 18, 2014, 12:04:30 PM
If David Moyes does come to the Albion,it wouldnt be too dissimilar to when Hodgson joined.

Torrid time at a top club, sacked after a short amount of time,eager to show that there a quality manager. I think it would be prudent of JP to make this case if he doees talk to DM. Look at Hodgson now, most prestigious job in English football.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 18, 2014, 12:08:41 PM
The more I read and hear, the more I think Downing will get the job.


You sure do like winding me up :)
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: kc56wba on May 18, 2014, 12:31:06 PM
The more I read and hear, the more I think Downing will get the job.
I was feeling very happy on this nice sunny day until I read that.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 18, 2014, 12:32:37 PM
Lets hope when the new Head coach comes in we can say thank you and a goodbye to Downing
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Dan on May 18, 2014, 02:14:58 PM
I actually think Steve Bould would be a decent choice. We really need more of a coach than a manager, and he's been at Arsenal for 14 years so certainly done his time.

It's hardly like getting Clarke was disaster, we finished 8th, then ok this season was going fairly poorly (though we'd still have probably at least got the points total we did) but it shouldn't put the club going off that route again. Even then Clarke was clearly messed about on the transfer front (though he takes blame for the two worst I guess). More so, whereas Clarke has mainly worked under more attritional managers, Mourinho no doubt his main mentor, Bould would surely have largely learned off Wenger where he's been since 2001. Regardless of which, Clarke's eventual sacking shouldn't mean we don't go down that route any more than sacking an established manager should mean that a club shouldn't go down that route either.

Looking at the options we've got, if we've a commitment to someone who works/worked in England, then he seems a better option than most names floating around.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Rheneas on May 18, 2014, 02:33:21 PM
Bould would not be a bold choice, just too much of a leap of faith.

The job needs a bloke with a track record of being being to adapt to different problems, be they tactical (i.e. how do you solve Albion's mid-winter rut of indifference that we seem to fall into every year?) or with personnel (touch wood we don't have problems again with players like we did last season, but it'd need a wise head to steer a course through that sort of situation).

Even Clarke who'd seen quite a lot as number two gave me the impression of being like a rabbit in the headlights towards the end of his time. 
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on May 18, 2014, 03:27:53 PM
There's room for a club like us to take an educated guess on a former number 2, who may have what it takes to go bigger. But that is only when the club has a solid foundation and is on a forward momentum, like when SC took over from Hodgson (granted it didn't really work out, but it was worth the shot)

Now is veryu much not the time for inexperienced hands. For that reason, I vote Martin Jol
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Albion79 on May 18, 2014, 03:48:46 PM
I have said previous i would like Martin Jol, but have to say Tim Sherwood is growing on me, if there are egos in our changing rooms still, he would no doubt take them on such is his ego!

I also think due to our current status we could take on somebody inexperienced, when Roy came in, due to his career he could work with what he had and make them better, because we need pretty much a whole team numbers wise we could bring somebody in and let them start afresh to a certain extent, ie - let them get players they want for their style so there is no repeat of the Pepe Mel scenario.

I would say out our current players probably Foster, MacAuley and Mulumbu are the certain starters, others such as Olsson, Yacob and Morrison may be moved on either at their request or at the clubs and i think its upto the likes of Brunt, Dorrans, Sess and Anichebe to prove they are more than squad players, the younger lads Berahino, O' Neill, Thorne all also have the chance to make a name for themselves next season too.

Potentially its quite an exciting job, we are now an established Prem club and i just hope we get somebody who plays entertaining football.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: timdon on May 18, 2014, 06:05:41 PM
I have said previous i would like Martin Jol, but have to say Tim Sherwood is growing on me, if there are egos in our changing rooms still, he would no doubt take them on such is his ego!

I also think due to our current status we could take on somebody inexperienced, when Roy came in, due to his career he could work with what he had and make them better, because we need pretty much a whole team numbers wise we could bring somebody in and let them start afresh to a certain extent, ie - let them get players they want for their style so there is no repeat of the Pepe Mel scenario.

I would say out our current players probably Foster, MacAuley and Mulumbu are the certain starters, others such as Olsson, Yacob and Morrison may be moved on either at their request or at the clubs and i think its upto the likes of Brunt, Dorrans, Sess and Anichebe to prove they are more than squad players, the younger lads Berahino, O' Neill, Thorne all also have the chance to make a name for themselves next season too.

Potentially its quite an exciting job, we are now an established Prem club and i just hope we get somebody who plays entertaining football.
Trouble is, we had someone who liked to play entertaining football but the players didn't want to know. We certainly need someone strong enough to INSIST if that's the way he wants to play, which we all hope he does.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: smosher34 on May 18, 2014, 06:15:36 PM
tim and les as number 2 , loved what he said today get the young home grown players out there , and don't talk bulls--t  ;)
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 18, 2014, 06:17:12 PM
I think it will be an established coach, Jol is a possibility, but someone of his stature, maybe a former international coach.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 18, 2014, 06:23:25 PM
tim and les as number 2 , loved what he said today get the young home grown players out there , and don't talk bulls--t  ;)
They were both fantastic. Tim sherwood believe me should be our next head coach. I will renew my ticket immediately
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: wba1993dave on May 18, 2014, 06:48:00 PM
Can't see the players being happy with Sherwood, most of them would be gutted that their mate Downing ain't the gaffer. In all seriousness Sherwood would be the ideal Head Coach for me.
*He would tell it as it is
* Like's to bring youth players through -(Kane,Bentaleb at Spurs)
* Not afraid to drop players
* Gets the best out of players.

With Terry Burton in aswell as DOF it could be a good team.He could also bring Les Ferdinand in and he could teach Anichebe how to shoot. ;D
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on May 18, 2014, 07:15:17 PM
The more I read and hear, the more I think Downing will get the job.

As much as I respect Downing I hope not. These players have arguably forced two managers out and now need the law laying down. Downing will not do this and represents the softer option to the players hence their support. Peace will like the idea too as it is the cheaper option. However we need a strong manager with the contacts to bring in 10 good players to play the way he wants - Downing will not do this as good as a man he is.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 18, 2014, 07:42:47 PM
Can't see the players being happy with Sherwood, most of them would be gutted that their mate Downing ain't the gaffer. In all seriousness Sherwood would be the ideal Head Coach for me.
*He would tell it as it is
* Like's to bring youth players through -(Kane,Bentaleb at Spurs)
* Not afraid to drop players
* Gets the best out of players.

With Terry Burton in aswell as DOF it could be a good team.He could also bring Les Ferdinand in and he could teach Anichebe how to shoot. ;D

And theres one reason why Sherwood is growing on me. Sick of hearing what the players are happy with and not happy with. I've not been happy with the dross some of these overpaid, over pampered superstars have been serving up this season so someone to come and shake it up a bit will do for me.

The players have to learn to either fit in or stick a transfer request in and see where they end up as not many if any will get a bigger and better club than this one.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Atomic on May 18, 2014, 07:52:12 PM
And theres one reason why Sherwood is growing on me. Sick of hearing what the players are happy with and not happy with. I've not been happy with the dross some of these overpaid, over pampered superstars have been serving up this season so someone to come and shake it up a bit will do for me.

The players have to learn to either fit in or stick a transfer request in and see where they end up as not many if any will get a bigger and better club than this one.


Me too. If the players aren't happy, slap in a transfer request and get the hell out of the club at the earliest opportunity OR buckle down, act like the professionals they are supposed to be and get on with it.

The next manager needs to have an air of authority about him and Peace and his men need to back him. Any player that knocks on any door to complain about anything I'd be fining two weeks wages and reminding them who runs the club.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggieboytom on May 18, 2014, 07:54:14 PM
As much as Sherwood is growing on me too, did I make it up or did CL already say that Sherwood would not be appointed by the board?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 18, 2014, 08:41:58 PM
I watched GOS this morning and I must say that Tim Sherwood is growing on me - I thought he was really good to listen too.

I know he has a bit of arrogance and smugness about him but I would get over that given time, but then again, I guess all managers that go onto achieve something with their careers have to have those traits about them. They won't get anywhere being a pushover.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 18, 2014, 08:51:17 PM
I watched GOS this morning and I must say that Tim Sherwood is growing on me - I thought he was really good to listen too.

I know he has a bit of arrogance and smugness about him but I would get over that given time, but then again, I guess all managers that go onto achieve something with their careers have to have those traits about them. They won't get anywhere being a pushover.
Yep,Mel wanted his boys over,peace said no,Mel backed down...now imagine mourinho/guardiola etc backing down??,me either.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 18, 2014, 08:58:56 PM
Yep,Mel wanted his boys over,peace said no,Mel backed down...now imagine mourinho/guardiola etc backing down??,me either.

It's hardly a fair comparison is it when you consider what Mourinho and Guardiola have achieved in their managerial careers.

I also have no idea what you mean about "Mel backed down".
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ronny boy on May 18, 2014, 08:59:17 PM
As well as Sherwood is coming across on TV lately, I don't think JP will see him as having the necessary experience to take us forward next season. The same can be said for Downing.

We need a head coach who can actually coach, has had some kind of success in the prem and commands respect. Jol, Moyes, McClaren and Phelan all possibly fit the bill, although I cant see us paying compensation so I'd rule McClaren out.

I was hoping for Jol in January and would still like him now, but wouldn't be too unhappy with either Moyes or Phelan.

Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Mat15(MH) on May 18, 2014, 09:01:47 PM
I guess another thing in Sherwood's favour(at least in Peace's mind) is that he doesn't have any backroom staff that he'll want to bring with him. I know Ferdinand was with him at Spurs but he was on Goals On Sunday saying he had spoke to Levy about staying there.

I'm warming to the idea of Sherwood, but I just don't think Peace will go for him.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Ben1983 on May 18, 2014, 09:24:09 PM
Sherwoods my 1st choice with Mackay 2nd!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: BobTaylor on May 18, 2014, 09:27:48 PM
And theres one reason why Sherwood is growing on me. Sick of hearing what the players are happy with and not happy with. I've not been happy with the dross some of these overpaid, over pampered superstars have been serving up this season so someone to come and shake it up a bit will do for me.

The players have to learn to either fit in or stick a transfer request in and see where they end up as not many if any will get a bigger and better club than this one.

The last point is very true not many of our players in the last few years could go on to better things despite what they think, maybe mulumbu and yacob in our present team but the rest of them better stop smoking the wacky backy if they think there destining for bigger and better things.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Dan on May 18, 2014, 09:31:57 PM
Sherwood would be lucky to last till Christmas. It's all well and good saying he wouldn't be a pushover etc but constantly going out to the media slagging off the club, owners, players.... It'll end very swiftly and very poorly for him. We need a head coach who's strong with a good vision, anyone can come in, slag off the players a bit and then end up getting fired. It is possible to be strong and respected. Given the problems leaking out of Spurs about Sherwood, he's exactly the opposite of what we need.

Maybe he'll learn eventually that he can't go running his mouth off to the media. But he shouldn't get that opportunity here.

His decent points return at Spurs can be deceiving too, Avram Grant did a super job at Chelsea based on that, RDM won the champions league and FA cup. Of more concern is that Spurs took repeated hammerings from teams of better quality. Considering nearly half the league is far superior to us, that doesn't bode well.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 18, 2014, 09:35:50 PM
Sherwood would be lucky to last till Christmas. It's all well and good saying he wouldn't be a pushover etc but constantly going out to the media slagging off the club, owners, players.... It'll end very swiftly and very poorly for him. We need a head coach who's strong with a good vision, anyone can come in, slag off the players a bit and then end up getting fired. It is possible to be strong and respected. Given the problems leaking out of Spurs about Sherwood, he's exactly the opposite of what we need.

Maybe he'll learn eventually that he can't go running his mouth off to the media. But he shouldn't get that opportunity here.

His decent points return at Spurs can be deceiving too, Avram Grant did a super job at Chelsea based on that, RDM won the champions league and FA cup. Of more concern is that Spurs took repeated hammerings from teams of better quality. Considering nearly half the league is far superior to us, that doesn't bode well.

How many times did he actually slag off his players and owners?

Wasn't it just the once against Chelsea?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 18, 2014, 09:51:44 PM
Tim sherwood believe me should be our next head coach. I will renew my ticket immediately
I thought your non-renewal was in principle over the disgusting way Pepe Mel was treated and so would be regardless of who comes in to replace him?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on May 18, 2014, 10:01:09 PM
Spoke to a couple of Spurs fans I know and they don't speak too highly of him. Tend to think he was tactically naive, mad bad subs. Can't knock his record though, and seems a breath of fresh air
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: GrGr on May 18, 2014, 10:24:11 PM
Spoke to a couple of Spurs fans I know and they don't speak too highly of him. Tend to think he was tactically naive, mad bad subs. Can't knock his record though, and seems a breath of fresh air

Sherwood isn't formally competent is he? And he has no real prior experience as manager/head coach. I very much doubt we will go for him.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 18, 2014, 10:32:12 PM
It's hardly a fair comparison is it when you consider what Mourinho and Guardiola have achieved in their managerial careers.

I also have no idea what you mean about "Mel backed down".
The point I'm making is that big managers with strbg personalities ,know what they want/need and make sure they get it,Mel didn't dig in hard enough at the start.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: elkiellis on May 18, 2014, 11:07:29 PM
The last point is very true not many of our players in the last few years could go on to better things despite what they think, maybe mulumbu and yacob in our present team but the rest of them better stop smoking the wacky backy if they think there destining for bigger and better things.
the only player in our present team who could go to a bigger and better club is foster
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: BobTaylor on May 19, 2014, 09:41:44 AM
Sherwood would be lucky to last till Christmas. It's all well and good saying he wouldn't be a pushover etc but constantly going out to the media slagging off the club, owners, players.... It'll end very swiftly and very poorly for him. We need a head coach who's strong with a good vision, anyone can come in, slag off the players a bit and then end up getting fired. It is possible to be strong and respected. Given the problems leaking out of Spurs about Sherwood, he's exactly the opposite of what we need.

Maybe he'll learn eventually that he can't go running his mouth off to the media. But he shouldn't get that opportunity here.

His decent points return at Spurs can be deceiving too, Avram Grant did a super job at Chelsea based on that, RDM won the champions league and FA cup. Of more concern is that Spurs took repeated hammerings from teams of better quality. Considering nearly half the league is far superior to us, that doesn't bode well.
I think he is the complete opposite tbh I think he's straight down the middle and has spoken wisely and honestly when faced with tricky questions, sandro springs to mind.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 19, 2014, 10:21:03 AM
I have just listened to an interview with Tim Sherwood on Talksport and was very impressed. He clearly has a great regard for Tottenham, could not stand the attitude of some of their players saying "some of them thought that you should just be grateful that they bothered to turn up" and "I would have got rid of those players given more time & the club would have been better for it" I have to admit I loved Megson, and I think Sherwood may be a more cultured version of Sir Gary.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Scooby Doo on May 19, 2014, 11:24:47 AM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ronnie_allen on May 19, 2014, 11:35:26 AM
The cynic in me would suggest that Sherwood is on a personal PR push with all his media presence of late.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 19, 2014, 11:40:53 AM
I don't want anybody with too much publicity eg Moyes, Sherwood.

Want someone under the radar, English, good coach, good football, personable but commands respect and doesn't take any rubbish.

I hope that man is Paul Clement.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Scooby Doo on May 19, 2014, 12:28:39 PM
I don't want anybody with too much publicity eg Moyes, Sherwood.

Want someone under the radar, English, good coach, good football, personable but commands respect and doesn't take any rubbish.

I hope that man is Paul Clement.

Unless he has a clause in his contract, or could negotiate something, the compensation is likely to be millions. He's a fantastic shout though.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: blue on May 19, 2014, 12:32:07 PM
Paul Clement is virtually identical to Steve Clarke , number 2 to big club criteria.
That leaves.

A sucssesful premiership applicants , Moyes , Laudrup, Hoddle.

Wildcards Mcinnes, Sherwood.Rosler

Premiership failures Hughton, Jol ,Jones, Mckay.

 McDermott, Zola?.


English speaking foreign coaches previously linkeded Rangnick, Schaarf, Flores, Pelligrino.Petrescu,Koeman,



GIVE IN the list is endless .
Welcome Keith Downing. :-[.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Nocky on May 19, 2014, 02:07:18 PM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: stever60 on May 19, 2014, 02:13:55 PM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Signor_Maresca on May 19, 2014, 02:36:27 PM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 19, 2014, 03:30:53 PM
I wonder if David Moyes has given the OK to sign Craig Gardener
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: wba1993dave on May 19, 2014, 03:36:12 PM
I wonder if David Moyes has given the OK to sign Craig Gardener

Nope it was Chris Hughton or Dave Jones haha  :'(
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: wbambdj on May 19, 2014, 04:03:16 PM
no if reade his staying it looks like downing
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 19, 2014, 04:22:16 PM
no if reade his staying it looks like downing


I dont understand what you are saying
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: stever60 on May 19, 2014, 04:31:03 PM

I dont understand what you are saying
Steve Reade may be staying? Do I not like that....
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 19, 2014, 04:38:04 PM
Steve Reade may be staying? Do I not like that....


What the bloke who refused to shake the hand of his coach, one of the chain gang.Great >:(
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: monkey nuts on May 19, 2014, 04:38:59 PM
think they are getting mixed up with Jones that's how bad clubcall are mate
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Rheneas on May 19, 2014, 06:43:53 PM
I'm still not buying this Bould stuff. He's a number two. We don't want a number two. We did that with Clarke and it didn't work. We need a proven number one, someone who has the nous, ability and track record of adapting to problems on and off the pitch, but also (thinking positively) making the most of what they've got to encourage good, points-winning football.

Sherwood I would still consider a coach who got given the Spurs job through circumstances. He's unproven in my book. And he talks too much.

Moyes for me.

I bet Jol is desperate for this gig as well. I would place him head and shoulder above most of the other names mentioned too. 
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 19, 2014, 09:22:38 PM
We're interestingly linked with former Liverpool captain Sami Hyypia here:

Link: Here Is The City (http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/05/19/sp-three-english-clubs-eye-up-former-liverpool-captain-for-manag/)

Hyypia was head coach at Bayer Leverkusen until April 5th.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggybazza on May 19, 2014, 09:35:02 PM
I would love to Moyes at our club but I seriously do think were living in dreamland if we think he would come to the Baggies. I don't think we are  big enough club for him tbh.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: VANDERLEI on May 19, 2014, 10:28:39 PM
We're interestingly linked with former Liverpool captain Sami Hyypia here:

Link: Here Is The City (http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/05/19/sp-three-english-clubs-eye-up-former-liverpool-captain-for-manag/)

Hyypia was head coach at Bayer Leverkusen until April 5th.

Can't see their being any legs with this one although Hyypia has the right qualities to be a successful manager. I think we will go for experience as we did successfully with Roy.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Rheneas on May 19, 2014, 10:40:57 PM
I would love to Moyes at our club but I seriously do think were living in dreamland if we think he would come to the Baggies. I don't think we are  big enough club for him tbh.

Point taken, but I'm always cautious about the adjective 'big' as applied to clubs. It's possible to overestimate Moyes's current standing and underestimate our stature as a club.

I've said it before here a few days ago, but the Board have spoken previously about the need to do their due diligence when it comes to recruitment. To not at least make that initial approach to Moyes's agent would be negligent. He can only say no, but he might well say yes.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: mulliganstired on May 20, 2014, 07:41:56 AM
I would love to Moyes at our club but I seriously do think were living in dreamland if we think he would come to the Baggies. I don't think we are  big enough club for him tbh.
Unless he goes abroad, who bigger than us is likely to be in for him?  Villa?  It is remarkably like the Hodgson situation, a big payoff so no money worries, and desperately wanting to prove he's not a busted flush.  We could be ideal from his point of view.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on May 20, 2014, 07:47:23 AM
Unless he goes abroad, who bigger than us is likely to be in for him?  Villa?  It is remarkably like the Hodgson situation, a big payoff so no money worries, and desperately wanting to prove he's not a busted flush.  We could be ideal from his point of view.

There's potential that Southampton, Newcastle and West Ham may be in for new managers. He could easily choose any of those I've us. It all depends on whether Pottechino goes Spurs and if the other clubs sack their managers
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Chipperfan on May 20, 2014, 07:49:11 AM
Unless he goes abroad, who bigger than us is likely to be in for him?  Villa?  It is remarkably like the Hodgson situation, a big payoff so no money worries, and desperately wanting to prove he's not a busted flush.  We could be ideal from his point of view.

Tempting prospect isn't he? However like others I feel he may be an unrealistic target, although with JP saying he wants a top coach who knows?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Scooby Doo on May 20, 2014, 08:29:05 AM
The one huge drawback with Moyes is our European setup behind the scenes. He's used to having a Sir Alex, Arsene Wenger style of total rule. I think we'd have to make behind the scenes adjustments to accomodate the Scot. Something which I think we'd all be willing to accept to bring him in.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: tuamigos on May 20, 2014, 08:29:10 AM
There's potential that Southampton, Newcastle and West Ham may be in for new managers. He could easily choose any of those I've us. It all depends on whether Pottechino goes Spurs and if the other clubs sack their managers

Villa, Newcastle and West Ham managers all have the support of their owners at the mimute. Lets pick the one we want before they get the dreaded vote of confidence.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lonions on May 20, 2014, 08:56:38 AM
Just stuck 20 on Moyes at 25/1 i think its a good bet at those odds!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on May 20, 2014, 09:01:07 AM
Don't believe in the bookies but still check for some reason. Hughton is new favourite
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: PsalmXXIII on May 20, 2014, 09:05:20 AM
The one huge drawback with Moyes is our European setup behind the scenes. He's used to having a Sir Alex, Arsene Wenger style of total rule. I think we'd have to make behind the scenes adjustments to accomodate the Scot. Something which I think we'd all be willing to accept to bring him in.

He's not managed under our type of set-up before so there's no assurances he'd be bad at it. And let's face it, Roy was probably used to total control and did well here. Moyes would also let go of some of the responsibility and risk of being in total control and potentially buggering it up again. Shows some versatility, care about his reputation and being part of our rebuild could be perfect. And let's face it, if he were to be involved and pick us up for a few seasons, I'd still doubt a big big job would come in for him after his United days - success with us doesn't mean that he'd be any better at a huge club like that so in theory he could be with us for a while.

First of all we need to get him, which would be a big ask. But stranger things have happened.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: BB74 on May 20, 2014, 09:08:52 AM
Sami Hyypia target for West Brom, Norwich and Brighton

Former Liverpool captain, Sami Hyypia, is a target for West Bromwich albion, Norwich City and Brighton and Hove Albion to fill their vacant managerial positions reports HITC Sport.

Hyypia has found himself unemployed since being sacked by Bundesliga club Bayer Leverkusen in April and the former Anfield favourite has anticipated a move to England.

Despite his sacking, his managerial record is impressive with a win percentage of 54.35% over two years in Germany, one of which was as co-manager alongside Sascha Lewandowski. During both seasons, Hyypia managed to keep Leverkusen in the hunt for Champions League football for the majority which shows his managerial calibre.

On paper, the Finnish manager seems a good fit for all the clubs mentioned, none more so than Brighton who have struggled with continuity in recent years. .

However, the lure of the Premier League could prove strong for Hyypia to resist which undoubtedly makes West Brom the favourites to secure his signature.

http://footballleagueworld.co.uk/sami-hyypia-target-for-west-brom-norwich-and-brighton/ (http://footballleagueworld.co.uk/sami-hyypia-target-for-west-brom-norwich-and-brighton/)
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: PsalmXXIII on May 20, 2014, 09:36:13 AM
Sami Hyypia target for West Brom, Norwich and Brighton

Former Liverpool captain, Sami Hyypia, is a target for West Bromwich albion, Norwich City and Brighton and Hove Albion to fill their vacant managerial positions reports HITC Sport.

Hyypia has found himself unemployed since being sacked by Bundesliga club Bayer Leverkusen in April and the former Anfield favourite has anticipated a move to England.

Despite his sacking, his managerial record is impressive with a win percentage of 54.35% over two years in Germany, one of which was as co-manager alongside Sascha Lewandowski. During both seasons, Hyypia managed to keep Leverkusen in the hunt for Champions League football for the majority which shows his managerial calibre.

On paper, the Finnish manager seems a good fit for all the clubs mentioned, none more so than Brighton who have struggled with continuity in recent years. .

However, the lure of the Premier League could prove strong for Hyypia to resist which undoubtedly makes West Brom the favourites to secure his signature.

http://footballleagueworld.co.uk/sami-hyypia-target-for-west-brom-norwich-and-brighton/ (http://footballleagueworld.co.uk/sami-hyypia-target-for-west-brom-norwich-and-brighton/)

Typical 'unemployed manager + teams who need managers = story'

No indication that any of us are talking to him at all and the line about us being more attractive to him because we are Premier League is only valid if there was a bidding war. In all likelihood he won't go to any of those clubs and if he were it would be the Championship clubs he could build his way up with.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 20, 2014, 09:40:18 AM
JP dont you dare take on Chris Hughton >:(
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Post by: mrmojorisin on May 20, 2014, 10:29:00 AM
JP dont you dare take on Chris Hughton >:(

Oh dear!

http://www.irishpost.co.uk/sport/chris-hughton-will-be-interviewed-by-west-brom-for-managerial-role
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 20, 2014, 11:49:53 AM
Oh dear!

http://www.irishpost.co.uk/sport/chris-hughton-will-be-interviewed-by-west-brom-for-managerial-role


If he gets the gig i will pick and choose games.


I have seen somewhere now a French chap called Renard who has just relegated his team is on the list
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: tuamigos on May 20, 2014, 11:50:47 AM
Oh dear!

http://www.irishpost.co.uk/sport/chris-hughton-will-be-interviewed-by-west-brom-for-managerial-role

I'm sure we will be interviewing many potential managers that would fit into the 'Oh dear' category so I wouldn't read too much into it until we get down to the last 3
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggie38 on May 20, 2014, 11:53:30 AM
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Post by: hardtobeat on May 20, 2014, 11:57:05 AM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggie38 on May 20, 2014, 12:39:41 PM
A mate of mine who usually hears a few things every now and then has just told me Moyes is heading up for talks with us tomorrow... I doubt it myself but you never know.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on May 20, 2014, 12:50:31 PM
A mate of mine who usually hears a few things every now and then has just told me Moyes is heading up for talks with us tomorrow... I doubt it myself but you never know.

If the mail report is correct about Newcastle, West Ham and Spurs then there's not much else on in England. If he looks back further than this season we were not too far behind Everton in previous seasons
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 20, 2014, 01:08:30 PM
David Moyes will have talks with us, i have heard from reliable sources.Its talks.Doesn't mean to say he will come and sign
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: BB74 on May 20, 2014, 01:09:50 PM
Moyes might have had enough of the bright lights taster of big clubs and maybe wants to come to a club like ours where he feels comfortable and expectations are low. I'll keep clutching those straws until he is 'ruled out of the running' by Chris Lepkowski.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggie38 on May 20, 2014, 01:11:13 PM
I'm going to put a few quid on it while I can still get odds of 25/1.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 20, 2014, 01:12:04 PM
People say Moyes worked on a budget at Everton but his budget their was still tripple ours
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: blue on May 20, 2014, 01:31:48 PM
Can see it now Moyes made head coach and his first signing  is Lukaku back on loan , getting one over his old club .

This magic mushroom brew is quite tasty.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Morany on May 20, 2014, 01:34:04 PM
I'd snap your hands of for Moyes. I think he'd do well down the Albion.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: addy on May 20, 2014, 01:36:54 PM
Hopefully the reports of Moyes being interested in speaking to us are true.

Be a big big coup for us. I find it hard not get my hopes up..
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: DownInAlbion on May 20, 2014, 01:39:38 PM
Hopefully the reports of Moyes being interested in speaking to us are true.

Be a big big coup for us. I find it hard not get my hopes up..

What reports are these?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: addy on May 20, 2014, 01:51:20 PM
What reports are these?

Was posted earlier in this thread.

The Birmingham Mail Link.

"However, sources close to Moyes suggest he is interested to hear what Albion have to say and while that clearly is a long way from an agreement, or even a face-to-face meeting, it does at least offer the club the chance to pull off an even bigger coup than when they brought Roy Hodgson back into the fold following his bruising time at Liverpool."

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-hotseat-could-best-7142351

It seems West ham are also sticking with Sam (really strong reports they are about to announce his continuation)... this is interesting, I really think we have a chance now. West Ham was the only real ones I was worried about, and maybe Celtic.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: wba1993dave on May 20, 2014, 01:52:49 PM
Not a chance Moyes will come to us, West Ham would be on the phone as soon as we offer a contract  :D  It would be a big coup but be prepared for a yes man "Chris Hughton".  :-X
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: addy on May 20, 2014, 01:54:03 PM
Not a chance Moyes will come to us, West Ham would be on the phone as soon as we offer a contact.  :D  It would be a big coup but be prepared for a yes man "Chris Hughton".  :-X

West Ham are about to announce Sam is staying, we will have an even bigger chance from tomorrow... :D
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: tuamigos on May 20, 2014, 01:54:58 PM
Not a chance Moyes will come to us, West Ham would be on the phone as soon as we offer a contract  :D  It would be a big coup but be prepared for a yes man "Chris Hughton".  :-X

Would you have put money on Roy Hodgson joining us?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: wba1993dave on May 20, 2014, 02:04:06 PM
Would you have put money on Roy Hodgson joining us?

If I remember correctly Roy originally rejected us , Dan Ashworth in the end convinced Roy to take the job. Question is can Burton and co convince Moyes to take the job.?.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 20, 2014, 02:04:55 PM
Yes with West Ham and Villa still carrying on with their current managers we stand a better chance, I have also heard we are prepared to match what Moyes wants financially
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: BB74 on May 20, 2014, 02:06:11 PM
Would you have put money on Roy Hodgson joining us?

Different circumstances though isn't it. Moyes isn't scrambling to repair his stock ready for the England job.

I would love it to be Moyes but we already pulled off a coup with Hodgson and lightning doesn't strike twice.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggie38 on May 20, 2014, 02:10:02 PM
Different circumstances though isn't it. Moyes isn't scrambling to repair his stock ready for the England job.

I would love it to be Moyes but we already pulled off a coup with Hodgson and lightning doesn't strike twice.

No but he is scrambling to revive his reputation.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Rheneas on May 20, 2014, 02:13:35 PM
No need for pessimism on this, and nothing ventured nothing gained.

I agree, getting Moysey to fit into the club's admin structure might be a stumbling block, but I think it's easy to overplay this with speculating on 'control'.

As long as he has control over the team, and has a significant say over which kinds of signing need to be made I think that's akin to what most managers have anyway.

We're an attractive proposition, in that the Board are making the right noises at least and seem to have been shocked into action. Also with so many old faces gone or going it's almost a clean slate.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: wbarich on May 20, 2014, 02:37:59 PM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: east-stand-nick on May 20, 2014, 02:41:39 PM
No but he is scrambling to revive his reputation.

I think anyone who isn't an armchair United "fan" still sees him as a competent and quality manager, just not at the very top level.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: maccbaggie on May 20, 2014, 02:42:06 PM
Steve Clarke down to 16/1, haha
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: royhan on May 20, 2014, 02:43:07 PM
Could Ranieri be another name in the frame? He was touted for the job before Mel was appointed. An interesting development on the BBC website:

Claudio Ranieri is to leave his position as coach of Monaco after two years in charge, according to the French Ligue 1 club's vice-president Vadim Vasilyev.
Former Chelsea coach Ranieri, who was appointed in 2012 when Monaco were in Ligue 2, steered the principality club to second place in Ligue 1 this season
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: BB74 on May 20, 2014, 02:52:14 PM
No but he is scrambling to revive his reputation.

Think his reputation is still almost fully intact. Fergie was always going to be a big act to follow. Moyes should never have been appointed there in the first place IMO.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggie38 on May 20, 2014, 02:55:57 PM
Think his reputation is still almost fully intact. Fergie was always going to be a big act to follow. Moyes should never have been appointed there in the first place IMO.

I disagree he has become a laughing stock for many and he will want to rebuild his reputation. A club like us will provide him a good opportunity to do that. I do agree though Fergie was always going to be a big act to follow.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WSBaggie on May 20, 2014, 03:07:00 PM
I think Moyes is a complete non-starter. I can't see us been anywhere near attractive enough for him.

I'd say at the moment we are at our least attractive since we came up. We have way too much building to do and not enough money to do it all at once which is going to be a massive turn off for most managers.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBArgo on May 20, 2014, 03:13:06 PM
I think Moyes is a complete non-starter. I can't see us been anywhere near attractive enough for him.

I'd say at the moment we are at our least attractive since we came up. We have way too much building to do and not enough money to do it all at once which is going to be a massive turn off for most managers.

Agree. It would be great if he came here though one can dream!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lonions on May 20, 2014, 03:42:08 PM
Agree. It would be great if he came here though one can dream!

I think your both wrong!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Atomic on May 20, 2014, 03:47:49 PM
Moyes cannot possibly be described as a "complete non starter". He may or may not get offered the job, he may or may not accept the job but he's no more a non starter than any other potential head coach.

From what I read and hear one day it's Sherwood another it's Moyes another it's Hughton. Press / media are scratching around for stories by the looks of it.

No-one has any real idea who the next head coach is likely to be.

I'll do it for 30K per year, can't get better terms than that Jezza and I'd do a bloody good job as well.  8) ;D
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Welsh_Baggie on May 20, 2014, 03:48:20 PM
Steve Clarke now 12/1?????????????????????
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Atomic on May 20, 2014, 03:50:07 PM
Steve Clarke now 12/1?????????????????????


I'd be very, very ,very surprised if we went back for an ex head coach, doesn't make any sense. I don't kn ow who would back Clarke at 12/1 but I certainly wouldn't.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: addy on May 20, 2014, 04:10:08 PM
Allardyce confirmed - staying with West Ham.

http://www.whufc.com/articles/20140520/west-ham-united-statement_2236884_3845462

Good news for us.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 20, 2014, 04:10:49 PM
I think your both wrong!


I think they could be wrong too ;)
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 20, 2014, 04:11:20 PM
Steve Clarke now 12/1?????????????????????



Poppycock
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 20, 2014, 04:12:30 PM
Steve Clarke needs to start at the bottom.He will not walk straight into a premier job
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: BB74 on May 20, 2014, 04:29:30 PM
Allardyce confirmed - staying with West Ham.

http://www.whufc.com/articles/20140520/west-ham-united-statement_2236884_3845462

Good news for us.

Talksport aka TalkLondon will be in overdrive tonight then!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 20, 2014, 04:34:12 PM
Talksport aka TalkLondon will be in overdrive tonight then!


One of their supporters has just said they need to be in the Premier by the time they re locate to the Olympic stadium.Maybe Sam is the best bet to keep them up.They aint happy though
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Baggie79 on May 20, 2014, 04:34:44 PM
Moyes cannot possibly be described as a "complete non starter". He may or may not get offered the job, he may or may not accept the job but he's no more a non starter than any other potential head coach.

From what I read and hear one day it's Sherwood another it's Moyes another it's Hughton. Press / media are scratching around for stories by the looks of it.

No-one has any real idea who the next head coach is likely to be.

I'll do it for 30K per year, can't get better terms than that Jezza and I'd do a bloody good job as well.  8) ;D

The issue with Moyes is that he had complete control of the club whilst at Everton and I fear even if we agree terms etc it will hit a stumbling block when he is told he does not have sole control over transfers, I feel he just would not work under this kind of guidelines.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 20, 2014, 04:36:15 PM
He had a bigger budget with Everton.Dont expect a top 7th finish every year for the next 10 years :D
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: kris_boing on May 20, 2014, 04:42:52 PM
The issue with Moyes is that he had complete control of the club whilst at Everton and I fear even if we agree terms etc it will hit a stumbling block when he is told he does not have sole control over transfers, I feel he just would not work under this kind of guidelines.


Very true. Hopefully with bringing in such a high profile manager such as Moyes then we would allow him a bit more of a say on who comes in.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggie38 on May 20, 2014, 04:46:52 PM
Have you heard anything regarding Moyes Baggie79?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 20, 2014, 04:48:29 PM
Hodgson has always had control. Didn't stop him. I would have thought the club would make sacrifices to get Moyes in, as much as Moyes would make sacrifices too.

We helped Roy rebuild his reputation. I hope Moyes sees that we can help him do the same thing .
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: monkey nuts on May 20, 2014, 04:54:23 PM
if he gets the same say as Roy had you just never know
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: wba1993dave on May 20, 2014, 05:02:54 PM
I expect the talks with Moyes (If they happen) to go like this :D
JP - Ok then Mr Moyes we would like to offer you a 3 year contract as our Head Coach.
DM - Wait a Head Coach ? I thought I was going to run things as a whole as a manager.
JP-  Nope sorry you will be known as a Head Coach and you will be working with Burton and Garlick.
DM - Ok right can I bring Steve Round and Jimmy Lumsden in as my assistants and possibly a loan bid for Fellani.
JP - Nope you will be working with Dean Kiely and Kieth Downing and you will have a 2 million transfer kitty but you get players on a free with high wages.
DM - Sorry Mr Peace I cannot accept these terms but thank you for showing interest in me.
JP - Sorry we could not come to a agreement ,I wish you good luck for the future.
JP - "RICHARD" get Chris Hughton's agent on the phone now !
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Dan on May 20, 2014, 05:06:31 PM
The club gave Hodgson way more breathing space than either RDM before him or Clarke after transfer wise. Most his signings were the players he specifically wanted, the only ones that weren't strictly his were the free transfers of McAuley and Jones which were low risk and presumably low wage moves. Not too mention we actually let him spend in january, even if it was just 2m on Ridgewell.

Though I think the bigger sticking point would be Moyes would want to bring all his own staff and get rid of a lot of the ones here, as with Man U. When Hodgson came here he didn't bring any staff and Appleton/Downing just got promoted.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Astle1968 on May 20, 2014, 05:12:05 PM
I really think he will end up as our next manager as long as he wants to get straight back in to it rather than take a break (which personally I think he will do)

For me there's far more things pointing towards it being him than not.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Rheneas on May 20, 2014, 05:15:28 PM
Roy had worked all over the place and never did have a large train of people with him coming in as background staff. So he 'travelled light' in that sense and was adaptable.

First and foremost he was responsible for the first team. I suspect any issues of 'control' over transfer were along the lines of him having a significant final say once the scouting staff and Dan Ashworth had drawn up a list.

I'm sure Moyes (or whoever else, lest I be accused of getting ahead of myself) would be happy with that kind of set up. I also think if it was him and Steve Round coming in he'd go for that.

No manager these days can have total control of recruitment and scouting. It's far too big a job. Make executive decisions yes. But run the whole show? Perhaps only Wenger micromanages to that degree.   

Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Baggie79 on May 20, 2014, 05:20:57 PM
Have you heard anything regarding Moyes Baggie79?

Only that it is highly unlikely due to his backroom and transfer control requests but he has been sounded out from a far. Dont forget this is our structure and he has to fit into it and not vice versa.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: hunsletbaggie on May 20, 2014, 05:32:19 PM
I expect the talks with Moyes (If they happen) to go like this :D
JP - Ok then Mr Moyes we would like to offer you a 3 year contract as our Head Coach.
DM - Wait a Head Coach ? I thought I was going to run things as a whole as a manager.
JP-  Nope sorry you will be known as a Head Coach and you will be working with Burton and Garlick.
DM - Ok right can I bring Steve Round and Jimmy Lumsden in as my assistants and possibly a loan bid for Fellani.
JP - Nope you will be working with Dean Kiely and Kieth Downing and you will have a 2 million transfer kitty but you get players on a free with high wages.
DM - Sorry Mr Peace I cannot accept these terms but thank you for showing interest in me.
JP - Sorry we could not come to a agreement ,I wish you good luck for the future.
JP - "RICHARD" get Chris Hughton's agent on the phone now !
Excellent post just shows where we are at as a club under Peace
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 20, 2014, 05:38:59 PM
I expect the talks with Moyes (If they happen) to go like this :D
JP - Ok then Mr Moyes we would like to offer you a 3 year contract as our Head Coach.
DM - Wait a Head Coach ? I thought I was going to run things as a whole as a manager.
JP-  Nope sorry you will be known as a Head Coach and you will be working with Burton and Garlick.
DM - Ok right can I bring Steve Round and Jimmy Lumsden in as my assistants and possibly a loan bid for Fellani.
JP - Nope you will be working with Dean Kiely and Kieth Downing and you will have a 2 million transfer kitty but you get players on a free with high wages.
DM - Sorry Mr Peace I cannot accept these terms but thank you for showing interest in me.
JP - Sorry we could not come to a agreement ,I wish you good luck for the future.
JP - "RICHARD" get Chris Hughton's agent on the phone now !


Laugh out loud :D
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 20, 2014, 05:39:43 PM
I expect the talks with Moyes (If they happen) to go like this :D
JP - Ok then Mr Moyes we would like to offer you a 3 year contract as our Head Coach.
DM - Wait a Head Coach ? I thought I was going to run things as a whole as a manager.
JP-  Nope sorry you will be known as a Head Coach and you will be working with Burton and Garlick.
DM - Ok right can I bring Steve Round and Jimmy Lumsden in as my assistants and possibly a loan bid for Fellani.
JP - Nope you will be working with Dean Kiely and Kieth Downing and you will have a 2 million transfer kitty but you get players on a free with high wages.
DM - Sorry Mr Peace I cannot accept these terms but thank you for showing interest in me.
JP - Sorry we could not come to a agreement ,I wish you good luck for the future.
JP - "RICHARD" get Chris Hughton's agent on the phone now !

Chillingly accurate. Oh dear.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 20, 2014, 05:53:01 PM
Only that it is highly unlikely due to his backroom and transfer control requests but he has been sounded out from a far. Dont forget this is our structure and he has to fit into it and not vice versa.
So we're already trotting out a "Downing must stay" mantra to would-be applicants? After all that's gone on last season (and going back to Nov 2012), it really beggars belief.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggie38 on May 20, 2014, 06:47:17 PM
I still think it will be Hughton.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 20, 2014, 06:50:41 PM
I still think it will be Hughton.



It will not be Hughton.If he didn't get the gig last time whats different now, a failed manager who got sacked,Big difference

Like Clarke champioship at best
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Foster#1 on May 20, 2014, 06:56:10 PM



It will not be Hughton.If he didn't get the gig last time whats different now, a failed manager who got sacked,Big difference

Like Clarke champioship at best

If Clarke was Championship at best what was Mel ? League 1/2?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WSBaggie on May 20, 2014, 06:57:55 PM
Moyes cannot possibly be described as a "complete non starter". He may or may not get offered the job, he may or may not accept the job but he's no more a non starter than any other potential head coach.

From what I read and hear one day it's Sherwood another it's Moyes another it's Hughton. Press / media are scratching around for stories by the looks of it.

No-one has any real idea who the next head coach is likely to be.

I'll do it for 30K per year, can't get better terms than that Jezza and I'd do a bloody good job as well.  8) ;D

I would say he's a non-starter because I do not think he will even consider taking our job. As much as I would love him to come he's just completely out of our league.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 20, 2014, 06:59:05 PM
If Clarke was Championship at best what was Mel ? League 1/2?


Very funny indeed, Clarke managed to turn the fans on each other with his dross. Pepe Mel galvanized the fans with his wanting to play football with his hands tied and high and mighty waste of space footballers.No body else would have done any better in the 4 months
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: wbako on May 20, 2014, 07:00:48 PM
The criteria for the next Albion manager:

1. currently out of work.
2. failed in previous job.
3. willing to field a team of freebies and loans.
4. accept the word of Peace, Garlick and Jenkins at all times.

If you meet this criteria, feel free to apply.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: botters on May 20, 2014, 07:02:45 PM

Very funny indeed, Clarke managed to turn the fans on each other with his dross. Pepe Mel galvanized the fans with his wanting to play football with his hands tied and high and mighty waste of space footballers.No body else would have done any better in the 4 months

Spot on JR easy to knock the bloke now he's gone, Clarkes dross was sending us down!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on May 20, 2014, 07:08:12 PM
The criteria for the next Albion manager:

1. currently out of work.
2. failed in previous job.
3. willing to field a team of freebies and loans.
4. accept the word of Peace, Garlick and Jenkins at all times.

If you meet this criteria, feel free to apply.

Also must get on well with the crocks/'seasoned pros'.

Still all points to Downing for me.  A day after early bird season ticket deadline.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: PsalmXXIII on May 20, 2014, 07:16:09 PM
If Clarke was Championship at best what was Mel ? League 1/2?

Someone who coached a struggling side to promotion then Europa League in two seasons. What's Clarke done?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Standaman on May 20, 2014, 07:27:23 PM
I doubt that it will be Hughton he will have the same control/staffing issues as Moyes and with a track record that would give the club even less reason to compromise.

To some extent Hughton was less of a failure than Moyes was last season but I think it is almost academic as neither will be likely to work in our structure. For this reason I suspect that an overseas coach (one with better English perhaps than Mel) might be the most likely appointee. I cannot see the club abandoning the concept of Technical Director and Head Coach particularly after just appointing Burton into the role.

With regard to coaches failing either they will have no experience at Premier League level or they will have failed because unless they have failed they will be in a Premier League job or similar and not be available or interested in ours. Moyes is available because he failed Roy was available because he failed Jol available because he failed and so on. All coaches fail at some point.   
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 20, 2014, 07:30:15 PM
My money is on Jol
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Rheneas on May 20, 2014, 07:55:18 PM
Only that it is highly unlikely due to his backroom and transfer control requests but he has been sounded out from a far. Dont forget this is our structure and he has to fit into it and not vice versa.

I reckon transfer issues would be easier to reach agreement on than back room staff.

If that's going to be a sticking point for Moyes it will be for others.

Who else is available who is a) good, b) has a track record and who c) comes either alone or at most as part of a head coach + number 2 set up?

God, if only the modern equivalent of Clough and Taylor was out there...

Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggie38 on May 20, 2014, 08:05:18 PM
Not being funny but if we are serious about next season and serious about Moyes we should move mountains for the bloke and if that means sacking Kiely and Downing so he can bring in his own team so be it.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 20, 2014, 08:15:08 PM
Not being funny but if we are serious about next season and serious about Moyes we should move mountains for the bloke and if that means sacking Kiely and Downing so he can bring in his own team so be it.

Agreed totally but in our establishment's eyes, Tweedledum and Tweedledee can do no wrong; they're part of the furniture unfortunately. It's not that I don't like them AT ALL, just that they are a constant stumbling block for any prospect wanting to bring their own boys in.

TIME FOR CHANGE MR. PEACE. Great start with the cull, now keep on. Swear to God if we end up with someone like Hughton I'm off to Espanyol!!!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: spencer Baggie on May 20, 2014, 08:15:34 PM
The more I think about it, the more I think it will be Jol.

The person we go for has to have perm managerial experience. I just can't see us plumping for a Steve Bould character.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: frazzle on May 20, 2014, 08:44:04 PM
Why on earth would Moyes come to us? Sorry but a non starter for me.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: RogerBadoo on May 20, 2014, 09:13:32 PM
Probably a long shot but I have a feeling he might have been approached before - what about Claudio Ranieri? He's just left Monaco - has excellent track record and probably wouldn't attract a top class club anymore. Sort of similar to Hodgson.


Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on May 20, 2014, 09:18:26 PM
Probably a long shot but I have a feeling he might have been approached before - what about Claudio Ranieri? He's just left Monaco - has excellent track record and probably wouldn't attract a top class club anymore. Sort of similar to Hodgson.

It would be very ambitious and I'd be all for it! Can't see it happening though, surely some big club with money will get him. Monaco to West Bromwich?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: albiontilidie on May 20, 2014, 09:29:48 PM
JP dont you dare take on Chris Hughton >:(

He was taking Hughton before we appointed Roy, everything was agreed personal terms etc but then roy put his interest in the job so we cancelled talks
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Gilsey 56 on May 20, 2014, 09:36:52 PM
i cannot for the life of me understand why JP would let a chance of a good coach slip through our hands to keep pinky and perky, are they really that good and could you imagine either turning down a job elseware if it came along.
let whoever bring in his own staff they probable will be better anyway and there is not any loyalty in football
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 20, 2014, 09:49:55 PM
Hey JP is it too late to talk to Pepe Mel, I've heard he's quite good with a bit of support....
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 20, 2014, 09:50:14 PM
He was taking Hughton before we appointed Roy, everything was agreed personal terms etc but then roy put his interest in the job so we cancelled talks


Failed miserably since though
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 20, 2014, 09:51:23 PM
Hey JP is it too late to talk to Pepe Mel, I've heard he's quite good with a bit of support....


Still amazes me hes gone when he was the ideal candidate
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 20, 2014, 09:57:23 PM

Failed miserably since though
Did good at Birmingham in between, offered him the job,he said no due to his staff not coming with + Birmingham refused and dug their heels in and we went with Clarke instead. Hughton went to Norwich and the rest is history. Really we've offered the job to him twice.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: andy_baggie on May 20, 2014, 10:42:19 PM
A reliable source has informed me that Steve Clarke will be getting his job back with us after the weekend. Skybet had him at 20/1 this morning and are down to 12/1 now. Paddy power have gone from 33/1 to 14/1. Not to sure how much we should read into this, but just thought I'd put it out there. Watch this space!!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: royhan on May 20, 2014, 10:53:01 PM
A reliable source has informed me that Steve Clarke will be getting his job back with us after the weekend. Skybet had him at 20/1 this morning and are down to 12/1 now. Paddy power have gone from 33/1 to 14/1. Not to sure how much we should read into this, but just thought I'd put it out there. Watch this space!!
There's more chance of Messi signing for us. ;D
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: PsalmXXIII on May 20, 2014, 10:55:52 PM
A reliable source has informed me that Steve Clarke will be getting his job back with us after the weekend. Skybet had him at 20/1 this morning and are down to 12/1 now. Paddy power have gone from 33/1 to 14/1. Not to sure how much we should read into this, but just thought I'd put it out there. Watch this space!!

I would rather eat my own scrotum than this be true.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 20, 2014, 10:57:12 PM
Reliable source been on the sauce
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: spencer Baggie on May 20, 2014, 11:02:48 PM
Hughton won't  come because he demands his own back room staff. Would be the likely sticking point for many seasoned managers too.

If we are really going to attract an experienced head coach, DK and KD need to be moved on to make way for new back room staff. Simple equation really.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on May 20, 2014, 11:20:12 PM
I would rather eat my own scrotum than this be true.

That is hilarious, his track record was dreadful! Never in a million billion years. More likely to be Steve Bull
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Baggy nerd on May 20, 2014, 11:33:18 PM
Hughton won't  come because he demands his own back room staff. Would be the likely sticking point for many seasoned managers too.

If we are really going to attract an experienced head coach, DK and KD need to be moved on to make way for new back room staff. Simple equation really.
I think a new head coach may be happy to keep DK as goalkeeping coach but would want to bring in a new assistant to replace KD.
I believe that the hatred of these two has come about because Mel was so well liked and supporters need somebody to blame.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggie38 on May 20, 2014, 11:34:39 PM
A reliable source has informed me that Steve Clarke will be getting his job back with us after the weekend. Skybet had him at 20/1 this morning and are down to 12/1 now. Paddy power have gone from 33/1 to 14/1. Not to sure how much we should read into this, but just thought I'd put it out there. Watch this space!!

I want some of what your source has been taking.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Standaman on May 20, 2014, 11:47:26 PM
I don't think there is any possibility that Clarke will be back. There is a rumour doing the rounds people have heard the rumour bet on Clarke odds have plummeted. Tomorrow there will be another rumour I'm  thinking about starting it myself just for the craic how about David O'Leary? You heard it here first :D 
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: bagstaff on May 20, 2014, 11:49:57 PM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 21, 2014, 12:00:51 AM
I think a new head coach may be happy to keep DK as goalkeeping coach but would want to bring in a new assistant to replace KD.
I believe that the hatred of these two has come about because Mel was so well liked and supporters need somebody to blame.
Downing doesn't really need moving either if we want him to stay so bad, after all he worked with Keen as joint assistants during Clarke's reign. 
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: chipperclark on May 21, 2014, 12:19:11 AM
 :D Got a feeling its going to be Martin Jol.
I would be ok with this as we would have stability and he would rule the "roost"and have control of the dressing room >:(
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: wappingbaggie on May 21, 2014, 02:48:16 AM
Agree. It would be great if he came here though one can dream!
You Moyes fans have lost me - I just dont see the attraction...what has he done in his career that makes you think he can achieve our ambitions ?(which I see as finishing somehwere between 8th and 14th and safe by Easter + some kind of a chance of winning one of the cups).

Everton did get the league finishes but not get close to winning a cup.

I agree Everton did have a decent transfer record, but they had a bigger budget.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Astle1968 on May 21, 2014, 07:38:45 AM
You Moyes fans have lost me - I just dont see the attraction...what has he done in his career that makes you think he can achieve our ambitions ?(which I see as finishing somehwere between 8th and 14th and safe by Easter + some kind of a chance of winning one of the cups).

Everton did get the league finishes but not get close to winning a cup.

I agree Everton did have a decent transfer record, but they had a bigger budget.

What apart from finishing between 8th and 10th every season and getting close to winning the FA cup you mean?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: mulliganstired on May 21, 2014, 07:56:32 AM
:D Got a feeling its going to be Martin Jol.
I would be ok with this as we would have stability and he would rule the "roost"and have control of the dressing room >:(
I would be happy with this, he's one of our Old Boys which would help him hit the ground running.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: miggybaggy on May 21, 2014, 08:01:57 AM
You Moyes fans have lost me - I just dont see the attraction...what has he done in his career that makes you think he can achieve our ambitions ?(which I see as finishing somehwere between 8th and 14th and safe by Easter + some kind of a chance of winning one of the cups).

Everton did get the league finishes but not get close to winning a cup.

I agree Everton did have a decent transfer record, but they had a bigger budget.

I agree with you. I always considered that Moyes constantly under-achieved at Everton; a club with considerable stature and a far higher budget/fan-base that ours. He was quickly found out at Man Utd. I don't want him anywhere near us, but I doubt very much he'd want the job anyway, he'll wait till a 'bigger' club comes in for him. My money would be on the vile; and then he can take them down! :D
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: miggybaggy on May 21, 2014, 08:03:56 AM
I agree with you. I always considered that Moyes constantly under-achieved at Everton; a club with considerable stature and a far higher budget/fan-base that ours. He was quickly found out at Man Utd. I don't want him anywhere near us, but I doubt very much he'd want the job anyway, he'll wait till a 'bigger' club comes in for him. My money would be on the vile; and then he can take them down! :D

By the way, I voted for McInnes for what its worth.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Floydy on May 21, 2014, 08:06:52 AM
Russel Slade now linked.

Madness
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: BobTaylor on May 21, 2014, 08:08:38 AM
Reliable source been on the sauce


lol as is most of what people chat in transfer windows, it makes for funny reading though, there looking for attention more than anything.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 21, 2014, 08:09:17 AM
Russel Slade now linked.

Madness


Can someone tell me why ???
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Foster#1 on May 21, 2014, 09:03:36 AM

Can someone tell me why ???

It's all guess work. We've been linked with about 10-15 managers since Mel has gone. Says it all really, no on ehas got a clue.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 21, 2014, 09:06:01 AM
It's all guess work. We've been linked with about 10-15 managers since Mel has gone. Says it all really, no on ehas got a clue.


I just don't understand why these type of names keep being mentioned.What warrents this guy being linked?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggie96 on May 21, 2014, 09:10:42 AM
I think downing Is the best option. Knows the players, is flexible with formations, selections as shown in his short tenure. Worked under hodgson Clarke and mel so obviously knows his stuff. And most importantly of all, he has the respect of Jeremy peace which helps out re transfers. He is an extremely good coach and if he had the opportunity to bring 1-2 people in to help him then I think that would be perfect.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Standaman on May 21, 2014, 09:12:54 AM
I have no idea why Russell Slade has been linked but he is as likely to be our next coach as David Moyes and would probably be no worse in truth. If you look at Slade's career he has over achieved operating on a shoestring budgets dragging teams that looked doomed to relegation to safety and turning Orient into promotion  contenders. By comparison Moyes has had a silver spoon in his mouth and achieved very little. In some respects I would be happier with Slade than many of the bigger names routinely linked with the job.   
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 21, 2014, 09:14:48 AM
I think downing Is the best option. Knows the players, is flexible with formations, selections as shown in his short tenure. Worked under hodgson Clarke and mel so obviously knows his stuff. And most importantly of all, he has the respect of Jeremy peace which helps out re transfers. He is an extremely good coach and if he had the opportunity to bring 1-2 people in to help him then I think that would be perfect.


too comfortable.Needs to move on for all of our sakes
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggie96 on May 21, 2014, 09:19:57 AM

too comfortable.Needs to move on for all of our sakes

Completely disagree, kiely an downing basically kept us up this season. The mini revival at the end of the season was down to them. If we had a better team then I'm sure they could do a good job for us. Also the perfect coach that could help them? Terry burton...
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Welsh_Baggie on May 21, 2014, 09:40:24 AM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: tuamigos on May 21, 2014, 10:01:45 AM
Russel Slade now linked.

Madness

Just another name to fuel the fire that is the media circus.
Doubt anyone will know anything until the deed is almost done.
Just sit it out and enjoy the speculation.
Plus you know Jezza wont appoint anybody until 1st July so that he doesnt have to waste a few weeks wages.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: VANDERLEI on May 21, 2014, 10:17:30 AM
Ranieri has just left Monaco. That is the sort of manager I would like to see at the helm.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 21, 2014, 10:32:59 AM
Ranieri has just left Monaco. That is the sort of manager I would like to see at the helm.


Was his time there successful?not being funny but i don't follow the French leagues
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: east-stand-nick on May 21, 2014, 10:37:37 AM
I swear we've been linked with Ranieri for the last 5 managerial searches...
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Rheneas on May 21, 2014, 10:47:38 AM
I'm finding a lot of the reports are now quite amusing because its all so much of a guessing game.

This Herve Renard bloke (known as Foxy to his mates?) has recently been in charge of a relegated Ligue 1 side, and had a bad time at Cambridge Utd a few years ago. Not the man for us methinks.

Russell Slade though...has a track record of sorts in the lower leagues and has done extremely well with Orient. There's a precedent for Albion going with a manager with a reputation forged lower down the leagues (Ron Atikinson) and I'm not against giving blokes who've cut their teeth lower down a chance in the Premier. But football management is even more merciless these days, and I think it'd kill the bloke if he didn't preside over a very good start to the season.

Ranieri? No ta. If we were join to get him we should have done it before the Monaco move, and I wasn't keen on it then.

Still backing Moyes, mainly because he's got form as being a safe pair of hands at a club where expectations are not overbearingly high.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 21, 2014, 10:58:35 AM
I'm finding a lot of the reports are now quite amusing because its all so much of a guessing game.

This Herve Renard bloke (known as Foxy to his mates?) has recently been in charge of a relegated Ligue 1 side, and had a bad time at Cambridge Utd a few years ago. Not the man for us methinks.

Russell Slade though...has a track record of sorts in the lower leagues and has done extremely well with Orient. There's a precedent for Albion going with a manager with a reputation forged lower down the leagues (Ron Atikinson) and I'm not against giving blokes who've cut their teeth lower down a chance in the Premier. But football management is even more merciless these days, and I think it'd kill the bloke if he didn't preside over a very good start to the season.

Ranieri? No ta. If we were join to get him we should have done it before the Monaco move, and I wasn't keen on it then.

Still backing Moyes, mainly because he's got form as being a safe pair of hands at a club where expectations are not overbearingly high.


Anyone remember his time at Yeovil
Its a joke his name can even be considered for a premier league club.Shame on the lazy journalists who cant find any decent news
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 21, 2014, 11:50:07 AM
The players were not playing for Mel in those final three games he simply didn't have it in him to galvanise them or whatever you want to put down to those performances.

I'd like to think if as reported Downing and Kiely had a strong hold over tactics etc after the meeting about Mel's philosophy then Mel would have been given free reign for those final 3 games which meant nothing and a chance for him to show what he is capable of. He simply was not a strong enough character and not speaking English seems to have hindered him hugely.

I think the board certainly saw it this way. He was sacked because he proved himself to be not good enough in the end. Nothing to do with us not wanting to overhaul the squad because we are doing exactly that now without him.


They obviously weren't playing for Downing and Kiely either then.
Never mind eh.Lets hope JP gets it right for all of us next time
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Welsh_Baggie on May 21, 2014, 12:19:40 PM
In reality it should be a very short list.

I'm sure most Baggies agree that the criteria is as follows:

Experienced Premier League manager (100+ games)
Not an Ex Albion Manager
Currently unemployed
Not been out of a job for more than a few seasons
30% plus win rate in PL

I looked into it and came up with this:

MANAGER           MATCHES      WON      DRAWN      LOST      WIN %
Claudio Ranieri        146       76         37       33        52%
David Moyes        461      190        129      142        41%
Ruud Gullit        104       41         26       37        39%
Martin Jol                202       75         51       76        37%
Alan Curbishley     328      108         85      135        33%
Peter Reid        227       74         60       93        33%
Stuart Pearce        104       32         26       46        31%

If this is what we are looking at them it is slim pickings with only Moyes, Ranieri or Jol of any interest to me.

Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: BB74 on May 21, 2014, 12:53:53 PM
In reality it should be a very short list.

I'm sure most Baggies agree that the criteria is as follows:

Experienced Premier League manager (100+ games)
Not an Ex Albion Manager
Currently unemployed
Not been out of a job for more than a few seasons
30% plus win rate in PL

I looked into it and came up with this:

MANAGER           MATCHES      WON      DRAWN      LOST      WIN %
Claudio Ranieri        146       76         37       33        52%
David Moyes        461      190        129      142        41%
Ruud Gullit        104       41         26       37        39%
Martin Jol                202       75         51       76        37%
Alan Curbishley     328      108         85      135        33%
Peter Reid        227       74         60       93        33%
Stuart Pearce        104       32         26       46        31%

If this is what we are looking at them it is slim pickings with only Moyes, Ranieri or Jol of any interest to me.

Cross Stuart Pearce off that list. Stuart is starting at Nottingham Forest on 1st June or 1st July.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: tommcneill on May 21, 2014, 01:06:28 PM
Maybe we will finally sign Ruud Gullit after turning him down as a youngster when Vic Buckingham offered him to us as a 17-18 year old lad but we declined the opportunity!!!

Id like to see us with a coach who plays attractive football, so anyone of the Dutch contingent I feel would do well here. Jol, Rijkaard or Gullit
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: smethwickw on May 21, 2014, 01:13:34 PM
In reality it should be a very short list.

I'm sure most Baggies agree that the criteria is as follows:

Experienced Premier League manager (100+ games)
Not an Ex Albion Manager
Currently unemployed
Not been out of a job for more than a few seasons
30% plus win rate in PL

I looked into it and came up with this:

MANAGER           MATCHES      WON      DRAWN      LOST      WIN %
Claudio Ranieri        146       76         37       33        52%
David Moyes        461      190        129      142        41%
Ruud Gullit        104       41         26       37        39%
Martin Jol                202       75         51       76        37%
Alan Curbishley     328      108         85      135        33%
Peter Reid        227       74         60       93        33%
Stuart Pearce        104       32         26       46        31%

If this is what we are looking at them it is slim pickings with only Moyes, Ranieri or Jol of any interest to me.

Take away those that won't want to work as part of our current set up. Who does that leave?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: tylerm on May 21, 2014, 01:19:54 PM
Take away those that won't want to work as part of our current set up. Who does that leave?

Keith Downing I am afraid !!!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Astle1968 on May 21, 2014, 01:21:12 PM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Rheneas on May 21, 2014, 01:32:06 PM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Astle1968 on May 21, 2014, 01:55:31 PM
I think Moyes is close with Chris Woods which could be an issue with the GK position. I think could find room for Round plus maybe 1 other like Lumsden is that was the only issue.

I still have a hunch we will end up with him IF he wants a job this summer. I see our only competition being Southampton and I don't think they will approach him leaving us or him hanging about waiting for a job mid season.

Would you rather join a club now, have a full pre season & over see the signing of up to 10/11 new signings or take over a club in December who have just sacked their manager because they are in the bottom 3.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: PsalmXXIII on May 21, 2014, 02:14:37 PM

Agreed. As others have said though the deal breakers will be a) does Moysey WANT to manage the Albion, and b) do those he wants to bring on to the coaching staff fit with the existing structure.

They've said KD and DK must stay, but have they said in what capacity? If DK sticks to goalkeeping, that means KD can drop back to be a general coach like he was under Roy, rather than the number 2.

How about DK goes into a new role of collecting football into a bag at the end of someone else's training session, and KD can enjoy a new role as manager...at another club.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: VANDERLEI on May 21, 2014, 02:29:40 PM

Was his time there successful?not being funny but i don't follow the French leagues

They finished runners up to PSG. Only lost 4 games all season, granted with a big budget squad but Falcao had been injured for a large chunk which was a massive blow.

To anybody who is turning their nose up at the likes of Ranieri or Moyes for that matter, you need a bit of a reality check. If we managed either of them it would be naked cartwheel time.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Dan on May 21, 2014, 02:41:50 PM
Monaco got the highest points total to never win the league, in their first season back. They're massively backed but as Mark Hughes showed at Man City, that's no guarantee of success.

You don't manage the standard of clubs Ranieri continuously has for the last 20 years without being a top manager. We held talks with him before Clarke but frankly i'm not sure he'd want to come here, he did a good job at Monaco and could probably get a Europe challenging team but if there's any chance of him coming here we should be seeking him out.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Legend on May 21, 2014, 02:44:24 PM
I honestly think it'll be Hughton, hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Astle1968 on May 21, 2014, 02:50:44 PM
I know his name keeps cropping up but I really cant see it being Hughton at all. We may well interview him at some stage and I have no doubt he will linked countless times over the next month but I just don't see any reason at all he would get the job.

We could of offered it to him twice already and both times chose other candidates. Once he had just got harshly sacked at Newcastle and another time he had just finished a great job at Blues by taking them in to the play off's. If we didn't want him then why would we go for him now after he's just taken down a very expensive Norwich side playing some of the most boring and uninspired football in the PL.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Legend on May 21, 2014, 03:26:43 PM
I know his name keeps cropping up but I really cant see it being Hughton at all. We may well interview him at some stage and I have no doubt he will linked countless times over the next month but I just don't see any reason at all he would get the job.

We could of offered it to him twice already and both times chose other candidates. Once he had just got harshly sacked at Newcastle and another time he had just finished a great job at Blues by taking them in to the play off's. If we didn't want him then why would we go for him now after he's just taken down a very expensive Norwich side playing some of the most boring and uninspired football in the PL.

I think he'll be an option if we don't get our first choice e.g. If Moyes was our first choice and we couldn't attract him here we'd go for Hughton.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ronny boy on May 21, 2014, 03:32:00 PM
In reality it should be a very short list.

I'm sure most Baggies agree that the criteria is as follows:

Experienced Premier League manager (100+ games)
Not an Ex Albion Manager
Currently unemployed
Not been out of a job for more than a few seasons
30% plus win rate in PL

I looked into it and came up with this:

MANAGER           MATCHES      WON      DRAWN      LOST      WIN %
Claudio Ranieri        146       76         37       33        52%
David Moyes        461      190        129      142        41%
Ruud Gullit        104       41         26       37        39%
Martin Jol                202       75         51       76        37%
Alan Curbishley     328      108         85      135        33%
Peter Reid        227       74         60       93        33%
Stuart Pearce        104       32         26       46        31%

If this is what we are looking at them it is slim pickings with only Moyes, Ranieri or Jol of any interest to me.


It really is this simple.... If either Jol, Moyes or Ranieri are interested in the job and we can work something out, then one of them should be our next head coach. Hopefully we have been sounding these guys out and if its a no go then we move down the list.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 21, 2014, 03:34:14 PM
Hughton is a Championship manager.He got the boot from Newcastle and Norwich because he cant handle the next level.Ok he did ok with both Newcastle and Blues but that was both in the league below us
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 21, 2014, 03:35:48 PM


It really is this simple.... If either Jol, Moyes or Ranieri are interested in the job and we can work something out, then one of them should be our next head coach. Hopefully we have been sounding these guys out and if its a no go then we move down the list.


I can cope with those 3 names but not Hughton, Malky or Jones.Simple the club get my money if they choose correctly
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ronny boy on May 21, 2014, 04:24:49 PM

I can cope with those 3 names but not Hughton, Malky or Jones.Simple the club get my money if they choose correctly
 

For me you can add Downing, Lennon, Sherwood, Zola, Curbishley, Di Canio, Hoddle & Keane to that No list.
 
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 21, 2014, 04:27:03 PM
Hughton is a Championship manager.He got the boot from Newcastle and Norwich because he cant handle the next level.Ok he did ok with both Newcastle and Blues but that was both in the league below us

He took Newcastle back into the Prem at the first attempt and they were something like 8th when he got the sack from them, so I'm not sure you can say he can't handle the next level....although the way Norwich performed was a worry.

I don't want him as head coach though.

Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: wardy65 on May 21, 2014, 07:13:56 PM
Hughton wouldn't be my choice, but if he was to get the job I wouldn't mind him going back to sign Redmond. Think he had him at Blues as well.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: silver surfer on May 21, 2014, 08:24:14 PM
Not sure of the accuracy of this site but my calculations say that Albion have spent more Net than Everton during Moyes time in charge at Goodison from 2002.


http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/everton-transfers.html

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/west-bromwich-albion-transfers.html

Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggiebof on May 21, 2014, 08:38:31 PM
Not sure of the accuracy of this site but my calculations say that Albion have spent more Net than Everton during Moyes time in charge at Goodison from 2002.


http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/everton-transfers.html

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/west-bromwich-albion-transfers.html




It's not really the transfer fee, its the wage budget that is important. Theirs has always been significantly more.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 22, 2014, 07:55:20 AM
Maybe Peace is waiting for McLaren
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on May 22, 2014, 08:03:02 AM
Martin Jol makes the most sense, I'd also be very happy with him, his record overall is amazing. At 25/1 I may put 20 on it. Moyes also makes sense but seems less likely. Could be waiting on McLaren but that'd involve a severance package.
I wonder if they've considered Rosler?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 22, 2014, 08:04:36 AM


It's not really the transfer fee, its the wage budget that is important. Theirs has always been significantly more.

May be so, but they have also had a debt problem for years, Moyes coming to us is unlikely, but I would not say it was impossible.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: BB74 on May 22, 2014, 09:20:24 AM
Although it is unlikely we will go for someone in a job already, I don't think it can be totally ruled out. We paid compensation for both Mowbray and RDM.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 22, 2014, 09:27:56 AM
Although it is unlikely we will go for someone in a job already, I don't think it can be totally ruled out. We paid compensation for both Mowbray and RDM.


This is why i have a feeling about McLaren
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: bednarsboingboing balls on May 22, 2014, 09:38:42 AM
Anyone considered Paul cook as next manager, up and coming manager with a bright future .Could be about the right price range too,Add him to the list .
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 22, 2014, 09:43:36 AM
Anyone considered Paul cook as next manager, up and coming manager with a bright future .Could be about the right price range too,Add him to the list .


Hes a dingle along with Downing. not enough experience either.We cant be looking at league1/2 coaches surely.I cant believe the link with Russel Slade.
If we are going to continue being in this league we need more high profile with experience
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Standaman on May 22, 2014, 10:00:56 AM

Hes a dingle along with Downing. not enough experience either.We cant be looking at league1/2 coaches surely.I cant believe the link with Russel Slade.
If we are going to continue being in this league we need more high profile with experience

Just because someone had some sort of association with the Wolves 20 years ago cannot be allowed to disqualify them for a job with us. Secondly one of the criticisms of Clarke was that he should have got experience of being the Head Coach in the lower leagues the very thing that Slade and Cook have done and now are being dammed for doing because they don't have experience in the Premier League. Nearly every half decent coach started in the lower the leagues the ones that I am most suspicious of are the ones that were parachuted in at the top by dint of them being high profile ex players with big clubs.

Cook and Slade both have a lot of hard won experience and they should not be dismissed out of hand.   
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: kris_boing on May 22, 2014, 10:16:46 AM
Maybe Peace is waiting for McLaren


Good shout.  I think this could be the case.  Perfect for us IMO.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: tommcneill on May 22, 2014, 10:20:19 AM
McLaren would be a superb manager to get.

If Moyes, Jol, McLaren and such are in contention then that will be a big thumbs up from me.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: thelawyer on May 22, 2014, 11:55:45 AM
Neil Lennon has just resigned. He must be planning to end up somewhere....
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 22, 2014, 11:58:09 AM
Neil Lennon has just resigned. He must be planning to end up somewhere....



Oh dear :D
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: tuamigos on May 22, 2014, 12:02:52 PM
Neil Lennon has just resigned. He must be planning to end up somewhere....

That might be a double boot in the balls for us.
Maybe Moyes would see them as a better option with European football and all.
Lennon will undoubtably be linked with us.
Boom boom.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 22, 2014, 12:09:50 PM
Are we the only Premier league team with a coach/manager?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: east-stand-nick on May 22, 2014, 12:16:28 PM
Lennon would be a car crash of an appointment. Not going to happen.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: BB74 on May 22, 2014, 12:22:27 PM
Interesting developments. Moyes to Celtic nailed on IMO.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 22, 2014, 12:26:26 PM
Interesting developments. Moyes to Celtic nailed on IMO.


Isn't Moyes a Rangers man.The only pull for him there would obviously be Champions league
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: stever60 on May 22, 2014, 12:27:39 PM
Interesting developments. Moyes to Celtic nailed on IMO.
Yes I agree........with the last 10 mths of his CV not looking so great......go for a team that there will be nailed on honours. I think any job in the SPL would show lack of ambition but understandable given what the bloke has just endured.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: BB74 on May 22, 2014, 12:28:59 PM

Isn't Moyes a Rangers man.The only pull for him there would obviously be Champions league

It would be like a little holiday for him. Moyes would win things there by default and would be taken out of the EPL glare for a while.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: wbarenno on May 22, 2014, 12:31:03 PM
Neil Lennon has just resigned. He must be planning to end up somewhere....

Oh man, i said downing and dave jones would be the worst possible coaches but now lennon's in the fold ive changed my mind.

Please no no no

To see that horrible ba##### in blue and white would put me off going up to the matches thats for sure.

I could never vocally suport a club that has neil lennon in charge

I would literally cry i think
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Greenock Baggie on May 22, 2014, 12:34:55 PM

Isn't Moyes a Rangers man.The only pull for him there would obviously be Champions league
Thats a hell of a pull from a managers perspective though
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Greenock Baggie on May 22, 2014, 12:36:17 PM
Please dont let WBA announce a press conference within the next 24 hours ffs !!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: kris_boing on May 22, 2014, 12:36:35 PM

Isn't Moyes a Rangers man.The only pull for him there would obviously be Champions league

Not sure but he did start his career with Celtic.  If ever there is a club to easily rebuild your career it is Celtic who have no competition whatsoever in Scotland.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: leeiswba on May 22, 2014, 12:38:19 PM
Worst possible scenario for me if this, cant stand the bloke!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: swad35 on May 22, 2014, 12:40:46 PM
Another twist could be Lennon going to Naarwich and Malky coming to us. Either way I agree, think Moyes would be keen on a return to Scotland.

Not happy.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on May 22, 2014, 12:45:37 PM
Can somebody tell me why there's so much dislike towards him? I know he's managed at Celtic which by default isn't the hardest of jobs, which is a reason to maybe not champion his arrival, but why the dislike?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: botters on May 22, 2014, 12:49:18 PM

Isn't Moyes a Rangers man.The only pull for him there would obviously be Champions league

What for one round?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 22, 2014, 12:52:08 PM
If Lennon is appointed give the bloke a chance for christ sakes :D
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 22, 2014, 12:54:05 PM
Theme for next year when he gets us into europe.Ginger wigs
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on May 22, 2014, 12:55:18 PM
Seriously, why'd he be so bad!!?
Unproven yes but people are reacting like it'd thick mick or something
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 22, 2014, 12:56:47 PM
Seriously, why'd he be so bad!!?
Unproven yes but people are reacting like it'd thick mick or something



I would not be against his appointment.Passionate bloke, touchline tracky manager
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: BobTaylor on May 22, 2014, 01:00:42 PM
It would be like appointing an ex villa or wolves manager for the rangers minority we have, it's big no from me would rather milky mackay came.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Signor_Maresca on May 22, 2014, 01:12:29 PM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: monkey nuts on May 22, 2014, 01:15:04 PM
lennon must be going to Norwich i would think, certainly not here i hope were blue and white ffs 
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: we8seals on May 22, 2014, 01:19:52 PM
Worst possible scenario for me if this, cant stand the bloke!

worst possible scenario!! REALLY???

I think i could come up with a dozen worse scenarios in less than 30 seconds!!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: royhan on May 22, 2014, 01:26:11 PM
worst possible scenario!! REALLY???

I think i could come up with a dozen worse scenarios in less than 30 seconds!!

Not a nice person by any stretch of the imagination. He celebrates a Celtic win as if they'd won the World Cup - and yet the opposition is third class. What a self conceited plonker.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 22, 2014, 01:27:44 PM
I don't want Neil Lennon anywhere near this football club.

Extremely over-rated manager and a tosser as well. No thanks.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: cuckfield1704 on May 22, 2014, 01:30:37 PM
Lennon is a very divisive character - Marmite - there is no in-between.
A constant moaner who has won the Scottish Pub League three times with resources ten times that of any of the opposition.
I really do not want him anywhere near Albion.
Thankfully he is almost certainly Norwich bound, the Chief Executive there is an ex Celtic man who is big pals.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Astle1968 on May 22, 2014, 01:34:28 PM
Personally think the guy is an absolute tosser. Would rather appoint almost anyone else. Apart from the fact I think he has proved absolutely nothing in his career and wouldn't want him even if it was based purely on his managerial ability I cant stand the thought of us having a manager I actively dislike.

Fortunately cant see it happening. he cant be lined up to come to us as it stands. No way we could agree everything with Lennon and them him leave by mutual consent only to walk in to a job with us the next day, Celtic would want the compensation. We could however interview him at some point and I imagine we would make a couple of enquiries.

However, manager with a budget probably 10 times bigger than the rest of the league put together walks out of his job because he wants more money to spend. Doesn't sound like the kind of manager JP will be rushing to interview.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: dangerman on May 22, 2014, 01:40:20 PM
He would certainly split the fans that's for sure
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: BB74 on May 22, 2014, 01:40:32 PM
It would be like appointing an ex villa or wolves manager for the rangers minority we have, it's big no from me would rather milky mackay came.

Never understood this Albion / Rangers love in. What they have to do with us I have no idea.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 22, 2014, 01:46:46 PM
He would certainly split the fans that's for sure


All of Pepe Mels work undone then
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 22, 2014, 01:49:26 PM
I would not be against his appointment.Passionate bloke, touchline tracky manager

Touchline ban within the first month of the season, he wont get away with anything down here that he does in Scotland. Only experience he has in management is in a pathetic league with absolutely no competition, its a definite no from me.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 22, 2014, 02:15:51 PM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on May 22, 2014, 02:40:35 PM
I understand being passionate about not wanting Lennon but can we stay on topic.
I just don't think being in the SPL qualifies him anymore than a championship manager. Being at a club with so much money to spend you'd better be winning titles.
That said I would be shocked if JP went that route after stressing he wants to make the right appointment this time. I would count Lennon as a non starter.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: geoff on May 22, 2014, 02:58:32 PM
Neil Lennon, no longer manager at Celtic means to me he is 100% sure he can walk straight into his next job, he's had the nudge nudge wink wink already. Please JP tell us its not us.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 22, 2014, 03:09:04 PM
Steve Clarke for Celtic?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: wba1993dave on May 22, 2014, 03:15:49 PM
On to the football side of things Lennon would be a massive risk due to the fact the Scottish League is appalling. Basically Celtic might aswell be crowned Champions in August. I don't think he will get a PL job, most likely a Championship one (Norwich). Now with Celtic looking for a manager this might bugger up our search. Pretty sure Moyes would choose Celtic over us because they have Champions League and he could win some trophies to heal his reputation.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: kris_boing on May 22, 2014, 03:37:55 PM

Celtic/Rangers debate isn't welcome on this forum.  Its clearly stated in the site rules which is why posts have been deleted.   

http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=48.0

Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Welsh_Baggie on May 22, 2014, 03:54:11 PM
Lennon would have to be a no as he has zero Premier League experience.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: tommcneill on May 22, 2014, 03:54:22 PM
Personally I think Lennon will goto Norwich im sure he has been linked to them over the last few weeks/months anyway.

Now that Celtic are also looking for a new manager Moyes may well be tempted up there but is Celtic a bigger pull than we are now considering how poor the Scottish League is??

I wouldnt be against Lennon's appointment in the slightest but not sure he will get the job.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: BB74 on May 22, 2014, 04:12:15 PM
Personally I think Lennon will goto Norwich im sure he has been linked to them over the last few weeks/months anyway.

Now that Celtic are also looking for a new manager Moyes may well be tempted up there but is Celtic a bigger pull than we are now considering how poor the Scottish League is??

I wouldnt be against Lennon's appointment in the slightest but not sure he will get the job.

It would be like a rehab holiday for Moyes. Walk the league get some silverware under his belt and return back to the EPL in a couple of years.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lonions on May 22, 2014, 04:24:40 PM
Anybody seen Paul Clements ODDS coming down so much from around 30's to 8's on some bookies!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: wbako on May 22, 2014, 04:28:07 PM
Lennon would be a better choice than Hughton in my opinion.

I realise we have a strong loyalist support, but with Irish heritage myself don't surprised if I choose not to join in with the anti-Celtic rhetoric.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 22, 2014, 04:30:26 PM
Rest easy folks.Lennon is off to Brighton. Lets just go and get Sherwood
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: palmaroy on May 22, 2014, 04:35:48 PM
Clements has come down a lot in the betting.Wouln't mind him at all.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: VANDERLEI on May 22, 2014, 04:50:22 PM
If I was to choose an untested manager, Paul Clement would definitely be my pick. He has had as good an apprenticeship as you could wish for and I'm sure he will be a success, whether that is now or in a few years, I'm not sure but his CV is impressive.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: alwaysbilly on May 22, 2014, 04:57:18 PM
If I was to choose an untested manager, Paul Clement would definitely be my pick. He has had as good an apprenticeship as you could wish for and I'm sure he will be a success, whether that is now or in a few years, I'm not sure but his CV is impressive.
Steve Clarke was a well thought of coach too though
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 22, 2014, 05:02:58 PM
Steve Clarke was a well thought of coach too though


Slight difference i think.Clement coaching at the biggest club in the world with possibly the biggest Manager as his mentor
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Dan on May 22, 2014, 05:25:55 PM
Steve Clarke was a well thought of coach too though

People keep mentioning Clarke like he was a disaster which he clearly wasn't. He was far from a bad manager and undoubtedly not helped by the goings on behind the scenes with McDonough and what not. Not to mention the shambles of a transfer window (though he hardly helped that much either).

Even then Clarke shouldn't put us off getting a coach who's never managed. Clement's also a bit different, he's exposed himself to different cultures (Spain, France, England) working in different styles of set ups, different tactics, players etc. Clarke has never really been exposed to that side of things, he's generally worked under more pragmatic styles with varying success in England.

If Ranieri (or Moyes) were possible they'd be my choice, but otherwise Clement or Bould look like good options to me.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: mulliganstired on May 22, 2014, 05:36:29 PM
Moyes in the news for a "scuffle" outside a bar???
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Foster#1 on May 22, 2014, 06:08:11 PM
Statement due at 8am according to WM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on May 22, 2014, 06:16:22 PM
Statement due at 8am according to WM

Just an update or a little more?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: 65baggie on May 22, 2014, 06:17:34 PM
Good post Dan.  Experienced coach would be a good appointment but there has to be an up and coming great coach somewhere.  Could Clement be the one?  Only downside is that he has it all at Madrid.  How much do you have to coach Ronaldo and Bale etc etc.  At Albion we need someone who can develop the players and make us into a reputable Premier League again
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Foster#1 on May 22, 2014, 06:32:35 PM
WM reporting Hughton to be confirmed at 8 in the morning.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 22, 2014, 06:33:50 PM
Lennon would be a better choice than Hughton in my opinion.

I realise we have a strong loyalist support, but with Irish heritage myself don't surprised if I choose not to join in with the anti-Celtic rhetoric.

Personally it's not about the heritage or anti-Celtic rhetoric - I would happily sign their squad if it meant they wouldn't win the league haha. It's about Neil Lennon not being good enough in my opinion to be considered for our job. The Scottish Premier League is in a dire state of affairs with crowds tumbling and not enough money being made to keep the division competitive - partly because two clubs have held a stronghold on the game.

It is not a real test of a managers capabilities if someone is successful with either Celtic or Rangers. Achieving success elsewhere in Scotland, like McInnes has done with Scotland is in my opinion, far more worthy and deserving of being appointed the Albion boss purely because of the constraints that McInnes and other managers north of the border work under. At Celtic, those constraints are relaxed and the calibre and standard of player is far higher than any other side and winning the league is virtually a given now Rangers aren't around - even when they were though, it took the tax-man and a points deduction to eventually hand the title to Celtic. It would be too big a risk for Lennon to start learning a new way in management whilst being at the helm of our club and by new way I mean adapting to different scenarios, scenarios he wouldn't have come across too often in Scotland.

Furthermore, he is a volatile character and one who is forever willing to steer blame away from himself and onto referees - his criticism going well beyond the boundaries that are normally accepted. His repulsive manner is something I do not want our club appointing.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on May 22, 2014, 06:35:28 PM
 ::)
WM reporting Hughton to be confirmed at 8 in the morning.

Hmmm, guess i'll stick it on. I wouldn't hate the Hughton appointment, it's a fresh start for him, however, it doesn' excite me.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: royhan on May 22, 2014, 06:37:32 PM
The bookies haven't reacted to this report. You can still get odds on Hughton ranging from 5/2 to 7/2 - something I wouldn't expect if there was any real substance in the report.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: gerry m on May 22, 2014, 06:39:24 PM
The bookies haven't reacted to this report. You can still get odds ranging from 5/2 to 7/2 - something I wouldn't expect if there was any real substance in the report.

My thoughts exactly! Iwas just about to look at the odds when you posted them.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: BobTaylor on May 22, 2014, 06:42:56 PM
we have said on many occasions that we will be taking a longer approach which will probably last around 3 or 4 weeks, Dont think this report is true.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Andio on May 22, 2014, 06:43:12 PM
Worth lobbing a tenner on Hughton or not?  ;D
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: royhan on May 22, 2014, 06:45:38 PM
Worth lobbing a tenner on Hughton or not?  ;D

I wouldn't, but the bookies would love you to. It's the easiest market possible for them - as it was last time we were looking for a head coach.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: gerry m on May 22, 2014, 06:49:19 PM
Worth lobbing a tenner on Hughton or not?  ;D

I wouldnt because if this was true the bookies would suspend bets on him.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: hardtobeat on May 22, 2014, 06:55:24 PM
 His price with many bookies is actually drifting!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: shortybaggies on May 22, 2014, 06:55:54 PM
Surely they're just covering there backs. I reckon the 8am statement will be either the new kit or a new sponsor. I mean, who the hell is in work for 8am?! ;D
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Sessegod on May 22, 2014, 06:56:17 PM
Whatever we say about Scottish footy, its high pressure and he's had some good results in Europe, I think Lennon is on his way and the clique must be trembling
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Baggy nerd on May 22, 2014, 06:59:15 PM
I can't imagine a new manager being unveiled at 8am! It may be an update which would be in keeping with the 'new WBA'. Perhaps shirt or sponsorship news?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: A5HB on May 22, 2014, 07:01:50 PM
I'd be surprised if it was to announce a new Head Coach. They said it would take 3-4 weeks so I don't know why they would have chosen somebody by now. I don't think they had short listed until this week. I suspect as others have mentioned it may be about a sponsor.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: BobTaylor on May 22, 2014, 07:11:20 PM
I think it will be mclaren if qpr beat them, just a feeling nothing more would be good appointment for sure.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 22, 2014, 07:14:33 PM
Norwich have just confirmed the appointment of Neil Adams on a full time basis.

Wonder where that leaves Mackay and Lennon?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: PsalmXXIII on May 22, 2014, 07:21:20 PM
Norwich have just confirmed the appointment of Neil Adams on a full time basis.

Wonder where that leaves Mackay and Lennon?

In the BHam Rd Maccies.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: smethwickw on May 22, 2014, 07:22:38 PM
I think it will be mclaren if qpr beat them, just a feeling nothing more would be good appointment for sure.

Would we pay the compensation though? I'd be happy with McLaren.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 22, 2014, 07:31:39 PM
Moyes in the news for a "scuffle" outside a bar???

http://www.itv.com/news/2014-05-22/ex-manchester-united-boss-david-moyes-accused-of-assaulting-man-during-lancashire-bar-fight/

Sounds like our kind of man after all, based on our last year's shenanigans!! ;)
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: monkey nuts on May 22, 2014, 07:38:17 PM
Sponsorship announcement
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 22, 2014, 07:47:35 PM
Radio WM stirring it up with the supporters,  who would of thunk it?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: VANDERLEI on May 22, 2014, 07:49:25 PM
Steve Clarke was a well thought of coach too though

Yes, you are right. Clement would be a gamble, no doubt. I just think out of the untested potential No.1's out there Clemence has got a bif future due to the jobs and experience he has secured so far as welll as the way he has took a "new age" approach to coaching by focusing his career strictly on coaching and management from a relatively early age, while Mourinho inherited Clarke a former player who got into coaching after a career as a player. Wenger and Mourinho are 2 examples of how these type of coaches/managers can excel rather than going with the a former player who may be a bit more close minded as to his management/coaching techniques.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Rheneas on May 22, 2014, 07:55:29 PM
Sponsorship announcement

This, if it's an 8am briefing to coincide with the opening of the markets (I'm assuming Albion shares are still traded on the AIM or the like, so if not ignore this theory, and start quaking in yeah boots, cause it could be a manger announcement).

Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lonions on May 22, 2014, 08:01:52 PM
I think it might still be a manager anouncement. It seems funny theyve got an announcement a day after Lennon quits. Might be reading to much into it. Oh and WBA arent traded on AIM!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on May 22, 2014, 08:04:35 PM
What's interesting is that the usually very twitter-active midlands journalists are nowhere to be seen on there.

The plot thickens!

Please be Martin Jol!!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: monkey nuts on May 22, 2014, 08:06:41 PM
Head coach announcement  wouldn't be announced that early it would be 10ish
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: smosher34 on May 22, 2014, 08:09:39 PM
was just thinking of looking on twitter myself , I said all along martin jol
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: hardtobeat on May 22, 2014, 08:10:07 PM
............unless its Paul Clement who would have a plane to catch to wherever Madrid are preparing for Saturday???  ;) ;)
 
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: PsalmXXIII on May 22, 2014, 08:17:14 PM
What's interesting is that the usually very twitter-active midlands journalists are nowhere to be seen on there.

The plot thickens!

Please be Martin Jol!!

CL is on holiday.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lonions on May 22, 2014, 08:39:17 PM
Apparently statement not announcement, whateve that means!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: pennington on May 22, 2014, 08:50:30 PM
Apparently statement not announcement, whateve that means!

The statement is ............ there is no announcement...... ;D
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: addy on May 22, 2014, 09:12:01 PM
Doubt its to announce a new head coach, the local journos know what the statement is, hopefully it will get leaked later tonight. Local journos are embargoed till tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: smethwickw on May 22, 2014, 09:16:43 PM
Club being sold to a billionaire buyer hopefully.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: royhan on May 22, 2014, 10:42:16 PM
Club being sold to a billionaire buyer hopefully.

I've just seen the pigs flying overhead :D
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Post by: Aixelsyd on May 22, 2014, 11:24:54 PM
Club being sold to a billionaire buyer hopefully.

Qatari Billionaire Buys WBA

8:00am Newsflash

In a statement this morning it was revealed that the West Bromwich Albion has been sold to a Qatari sheik who will now relocate the club to Doha, rebrand them for the Asian market to the West Doha Camels and "adjust" the teams colours and strip to a more maroonish shade of blue (in pinstripes)..


;)
Title: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Philly88 on May 22, 2014, 11:24:59 PM

CL is on holiday.

Don't we normally make a big signing while he's away?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: alex1 on May 22, 2014, 11:32:38 PM
I saw Celtic twice last season under Lennon. Foregetting all the atmosphere you get from the Celtic crowd, the football was like watching a  Championship outfit, with only a couple of players who stood out. We  really have to do better than Lennon.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Standaman on May 23, 2014, 08:15:46 AM
News just in from Express & Star Lennon not in the running for Albion job which will be a relief to many
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Chipperfan on May 23, 2014, 08:25:10 AM
News just in from Express & Star Lennon not in the running for Albion job which will be a relief to many

Count me amongst that number. Not concerned that he was Celtic manager, just don't think he's the man for us.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: wbarenno on May 23, 2014, 08:35:19 AM
News just in from Express & Star Lennon not in the running for Albion job which will be a relief to many

I must admit with lennon on the market i would be happy with anyone now! And i do mean anyone(jones and downing included)

"#as long as its not lennon"
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: VANDERLEI on May 23, 2014, 12:48:11 PM
With Adams getting the Norwich job, I can see us going for Malky Mackay. He wouldn't be my first choice, but we could do a lot worse.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Signor_Maresca on May 23, 2014, 01:14:49 PM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WSBaggie on May 23, 2014, 01:18:13 PM
So then for those waiting on the Head Coach announcement to decide whether they will have a season ticket next year or not I have a question for you.

Which coaches will you renew for and which ones won't you renew for?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 23, 2014, 01:23:23 PM
So then for those waiting on the Head Coach announcement to decide whether they will have a season ticket next year or not I have a question for you.

Which coaches will you renew for and which ones won't you renew for?



i wont renew if its Hughton, Malky or Jones.Anyone else i will renew.That doeesnt mean to say i wont go to games.I will pick and choose depending on performances.I cover most away games and still will because its a great day out for me
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Legend on May 23, 2014, 02:00:52 PM
I don't understand why Malky is highly rated. I remember listening to TalkSport and one of the presenters said he'd walk in most Premier League jobs.  ???
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 23, 2014, 02:06:54 PM
Please not another dour Jock like previous and what they seals have.A manager with personailty is vital
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: bry on May 23, 2014, 05:13:15 PM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: wardy65 on May 23, 2014, 05:59:50 PM
If Derby get beat in their play-off game tomorrow I've got a feeling Mclaren could feature among the front runners for the job. Derby were going nowhere fast before he got the job. Certainly be good news for George Thorne if he did.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 23, 2014, 06:17:05 PM
I still hear Chris Hughton is the bookies favourite >:( why oh why is it he could waltz straight back into the premier league when hes already failed at it.My blood will be boiling if we have to put up with his brand of football after the breath of fresh air we just ousted out.If Peace appoints him he can shove his statement up his Jack Jones
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: charliemike on May 23, 2014, 06:18:38 PM
Mcclaren has 18 months left on his contract . Would Jeremy pay compo . It's doubtful isn't it .
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Signor_Maresca on May 23, 2014, 06:31:26 PM
I still hear Chris Hughton is the bookies favourite >:( why oh why is it he could waltz straight back into the premier league when hes already failed at it.

When was the last time the bookies favourite got the West Brom job, they were way out when Mel, Clarke, Hodgson and RDM got appointed.  On that basis I'm delighted Hughton is favourite.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: mikehy on May 23, 2014, 06:46:19 PM
Will not renew if  jones hughton mcdermott mckay lennon or downing
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggie steve on May 23, 2014, 06:48:02 PM
Mclaren has got Derby playing great but the team was assembled by Clough...
If he came to us it may be a different story especially at premier league level.

I'm not saying I'd like Lennon to get the job but he would inspire some passion in to the team, You have to smile at his antics on the touchline  it defiantly inspires both players and fans....
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 23, 2014, 06:48:29 PM
How many season tickets are sold to date?? the right appoinment will make a world of difference
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 23, 2014, 06:50:36 PM
Mclaren has got Derby playing great but the team was assembled by Clough...
If he came to us it may be a different story especially at premier league level.

I'm not saying I'd like Lennon to get the job but he would inspire some passion in to the team, You have to smile at his antics on the touchline  it defiantly inspires both players and fans....


I agree.I love to see an head coach showing some passion on the touchline, Sherwood is another.It rubs off on everybody
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jeb-Dog on May 23, 2014, 07:04:37 PM
Anyone but Hughton or Downing.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Tony Goddens Gloves on May 23, 2014, 08:45:27 PM
Lennon isn't coming to us...he is going to a team the same level as Celtric.......Cambridge Utd ...don't want that joker anywhere near the club...joke league. Still think it will be Moyes, exactly the same scenario as Hodgson
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Prokhorych on May 23, 2014, 09:08:15 PM
Lennon isn't coming to us...he is going to a team the same level as Celtric.......Cambridge Utd ...don't want that joker anywhere near the club...joke league. Still think it will be Moyes, exactly the same scenario as Hodgson

Won't Moyes be going to Celtic, now that it's vacant?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Dexy on May 23, 2014, 09:46:05 PM

I agree.I love to see an head coach showing some passion on the touchline, Sherwood is another.It rubs off on everybody
Hughton is very passionate on the sidelines.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: royhan on May 23, 2014, 09:52:59 PM
Brendan Rogers is very passionate too - but not with his missus ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: up_the_baggies on May 23, 2014, 09:58:28 PM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 23, 2014, 10:56:27 PM
Hughton is very passionate on the sidelines.
Don't make me laugh in his suit and tie
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Dexy on May 23, 2014, 11:02:26 PM
Don't make me laugh in his suit and tie
What has suit and tie got to do with it ? , Hughton's very passionate most people know that.
Didn't Super Mel wear suit and tie ?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 23, 2014, 11:14:18 PM
Hughton is a has been and failed so say his 4 voters on here .
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Dexy on May 23, 2014, 11:20:12 PM
Hughton is a has been and failed so say his 4 voters on here .
What's that got to do with your point on Hughton not being passionate then ?
Does wearing a suit and tie make you less able ?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Standaman on May 23, 2014, 11:40:10 PM
What has a coach's demeanour on the touchline got to do with anything? Is a coach who is demonstrative in his gestures good and one that is less so bad?  While it might make them feel better and the fans get to see him flail his arms around and therefore he is obviously doing something I think it probably makes precious little difference to the outcome on the pitch whether the Coach jumps around the technical area or observes dispassionately from the stands.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on May 24, 2014, 12:33:38 AM
It harks back to that classic British issue where we'd rather have a guy who showed passion and "gave it his all" than someone reserved, quiet even, but actually good. We hold a "trier" in higher regard than someone who is laid back but delivers.

I couldn't give a flying hoot how chilled or agitated the next coach is. What I want is for him not to have hoof-ball as his prime option, keep us up and give the cups a run.

Look at it this way, would you rather have the managerial equivalent if Shane Long or Berbatov?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: sooty2 on May 24, 2014, 03:50:24 AM
People should read up on Russell slade not a bad shout just what the club need at the moment
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on May 24, 2014, 08:12:12 AM
Shame there's not really been any solid rumours to sink our teeth into.
No Laudrop has reached a settlement with Swansea what do we think of him? I know there's rumours he's not very hands on but who knows what was going on behind the scenes there
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Sessegod on May 24, 2014, 08:50:27 AM
We seriously can't be considering Hughton???
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: palmaroy on May 24, 2014, 09:20:54 AM
I see old Roy Hodgson is 33/1(a good bet)
Don't mind anybody as long as its not Downing or Jones
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: royhan on May 24, 2014, 09:50:18 AM
Definitely NO to Laudrup. He will be skiving off in his home country for half of the season and leave his minions in charge.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 24, 2014, 10:30:31 AM
It harks back to that classic British issue where we'd rather have a guy who showed passion and "gave it his all" than someone reserved, quiet even, but actually good. We hold a "trier" in higher regard than someone who is laid back but delivers.

I couldn't give a flying hoot how chilled or agitated the next coach is. What I want is for him not to have hoof-ball as his prime option, keep us up and give the cups a run.

Look at it this way, would you rather have the managerial equivalent if Shane Long or Berbatov?

100%
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Signor_Maresca on May 24, 2014, 10:43:23 AM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 24, 2014, 11:22:44 AM
I see Hughtons got another vote on here and Gary Thompson's piece in the Mail is encouraging the appointment because his defensive style of play will suit our footballers.
Defensive style equals no season ticket Gary
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: kc56wba on May 24, 2014, 11:28:15 AM
Doe ask me why but I have a funny feeling in me water that Martin Jol will be our next Manager/Coach.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on May 24, 2014, 11:41:02 AM
I am not sure this is the case . It depends on the appointment, with Mel there were other issues that created the vacuum that Downing stepped into. Keily is slightly different he just goes back into the Goal Keeping coach box and that is pretty much the end of the matter. However we do need to be clear whoever is Head Coach is in charge.

A few extended thoughts on the manager search

http://lookbackinmildbewilderment.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/the-unusual-suspects.html

I think if we will learn from our recent mistakes. Experience and cultural fit will be prime considerations if it is a continental appointment they will have some background in English football or at the very least be fluent English speakers (no excuses on the training ground) like Rangwick.

Good blog mate! I agree with everything and I'm 100% behind us going after Jol

Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Esso #13 on May 24, 2014, 11:42:48 AM
Wouldn't complain at Jol at all.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggyman68 on May 24, 2014, 12:16:57 PM
Garry Thompson's view that Hughton would be a good fit for the current squad because of his defensive way of playing shows he is totally out of touch with.
Since when have we been a defensive club? And if that's all the current squad are capable of then we need to get rid of a few more of them!
Hughton? I can't believe that he is even mentioned in the same breath as Albion! How can anyone employ a manager who has failed so dismally in the last few months?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: blue on May 24, 2014, 12:23:53 PM
Who is this Bill Howell in the birmingham mail.
Is he related to Chris Hughton. Every peice he writes seems to give be how  Hughton would be a good appointment.
But I can hardly see any supporters giving their blessing to what would be a dirge, dour, football style.

B,ham mail  We dont want Hughton well 99.9 of us.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 24, 2014, 12:33:10 PM
Garry Thompson's view that Hughton would be a good fit for the current squad because of his defensive way of playing shows he is totally out of touch with.
Since when have we been a defensive club? And if that's all the current squad are capable of then we need to get rid of a few more of them!
Hughton? I can't believe that he is even mentioned in the same breath as Albion! How can anyone employ a manager who has failed so dismally in the last few months?

Well we're hardly pioneers of attacking football are we? For a few years now our style of football has been based on rigid defending, containment and then catching sides on the counter attack. To say we're a defensive side isn't far from the truth.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 24, 2014, 12:40:58 PM
The Albion way is the football way come what may
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 24, 2014, 12:45:49 PM
Who is this Bill Howell in the birmingham mail.
Is he related to Chris Hughton. Every peice he writes seems to give be how  Hughton would be a good appointment.
But I can hardly see any supporters giving their blessing to what would be a dirge, dour, football style.

B,ham mail  We dont want Hughton well 99.9 of us.



is he a Blues fan because they love Chris Hughton dont they
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggyman68 on May 24, 2014, 01:24:04 PM
Well we're hardly pioneers of attacking football are we? For a few years now our style of football has been based on rigid defending, containment and then catching sides on the counter attack. To say we're a defensive side isn't far from the truth.

I don't know how old you are but I was bought up with the albion being an attractive attacking team and that has always been the albion way!
Whenever we have tried to change that, we have gone wrong...Don Howe, Bobby Gould, Buckly, Little
We should aspire to return to our roots and play the right way.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Standaman on May 24, 2014, 01:25:58 PM
Lets look at the notion that there is an Albion way of football

Since 2000 we have had

Megson who was not noted for free flowing football
Robson as with Megson
Mowbray Fair cop tiki taka light
Di Matteo A bit more pragmatic
Hodgson cherished defensive organisation above all else
Clarke - Mourihino light
Mel - We never got to see what his style was but lets call it progressive

So out of the last 7 coaches the majority have not been noted for playing attacking football, the only one that looked like keeping us in the Premier League throughout his tenure was Hodgson. I think saying there is an Albion way which is inherently attacking is stretching a point.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Dan on May 24, 2014, 01:34:42 PM
Every club thinks they're an attacking football club. In reality virtually every club goes through periods of different styles.

As it happens I don't think Hughton would be a disaster here - it amuses me to see people not wanting him because he did  a bad job this year, then wanting Jol who did a worse job with greater resources. Hughton's only  bad season in management is this season, the rest have ranged from good to great.

This isn't to say he should be our main choice, but its funny, a couple of years ago I believe he topped a similar poll to this on here (comfortably as well), but an 11th placed finish and a poor finish this season and he's now unemployable apparently. Many of the same people now seem to think Hoddle or McClaren would be good options, managers who'd have elicited the same horrified reactions as Hughton is getting.

Ultimately peoples perceptions of managers change so quickly whereas their ability stays relatively constant. In 2 years maybe people will be crying out for Hughton again. This isn't to say he should be our main choice, but as one of the seven candidates we're interviewing he'll justify a position.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 24, 2014, 01:38:46 PM
I don't know how old you are but I was bought up with the albion being an attractive attacking team and that has always been the albion way!
Whenever we have tried to change that, we have gone wrong...Don Howe, Bobby Gould, Buckly, Little
We should aspire to return to our roots and play the right way.

I don't think Gary Thompson meant the comment as our playing history has been based upon defending. His comment was merely referring to the recent past and the current present - and one which is totally correct. Nice of you to only quote the bad managers though - totally ignoring Gary Megson and Roy Hodgson who had plenty of success here whilst using an approach that is different to what many would like to see.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: smethwickw on May 24, 2014, 01:42:10 PM
It would be nice to play attractive attacking football and have some success but I can't see a club with our resources being able to do this. Personally I want to see us win matches regardless of style. The only times we've looked like we belong at this level is under the more defensive managers.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Scooby Doo on May 24, 2014, 01:43:31 PM
In light of the Playoff Final today, how many people would be opposed to Steve McLaren? No doubt if Derby win he wouldn't be interested but his head would be turned if they didn't. A brilliant coach and has shown his managerial ability, albeit with some blotches here and there. Just a name that hasn't been mentioned that, looking at it is a bit surprising.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: smethwickw on May 24, 2014, 01:55:44 PM
In light of the Playoff Final today, how many people would be opposed to Steve McLaren? No doubt if Derby win he wouldn't be interested but his head would be turned if they didn't. A brilliant coach and has shown his managerial ability, albeit with some blotches here and there. Just a name that hasn't been mentioned that, looking at it is a bit surprising.

I think McLaren would be a perfect fit for the role. A very good coach with top flight experience.  Would we pay compensation though to get him?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: A5HB on May 24, 2014, 02:00:10 PM
Not sure why so many would be against Hughton. I must be in the small minority who think he's actually a decent option. Last year was obviously disappointing for Norwich, but I make it 1 bad year in 5 as a full time manager.

When he first started at Newcastle they were in turmoil. Lots of issues to sort after relegation, the fans protesting against the owner and lots of high earners to deal with. He managed to get a squad together and playing well, the fans on side and took then to the title scoring plenty of goals. Although he got sacked in the second season it was hardly a disaster. They were 11th at the time and had already recorded some big results scoring plenty of goals in the process.

When he went to Blues it was another summer of turmoil. Relegation, financial troubles and a Europa league campaign to deal with. He managed to put together a squad that not only got Blues beyond the Europa League group stages but also to the Play off semi finals. A pretty good season I'd say. A fair few Blues fans will also tell you that they played some very good stuff that season as well.

In his first season at Norwich, taking over in the middle of a difficult summer that included Lambert leaving for Villa he managed to get Norwich to 11th only 5 points off of our own tally in what was a very very good season. Even last season I remember seeing Norwich play some decent stuff at times.

I think he would be a pretty good option for us. He's very much a coach which suits our structure, he can get a side relatively well organised, has in the past got some of his sides playing entertaining stuff and, important for this summer, has been at clubs where there has been a lot of change and turnover during a summer. Obviously last year was poor but I think a lot of the issues were down to poor signings. With our structure that responsibity is taken away from him a little bit.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: mrmojorisin on May 24, 2014, 02:08:11 PM
In light of the Playoff Final today, how many people would be opposed to Steve McLaren? No doubt if Derby win he wouldn't be interested but his head would be turned if they didn't. A brilliant coach and has shown his managerial ability, albeit with some blotches here and there. Just a name that hasn't been mentioned that, looking at it is a bit surprising.

Although I don't think that McLaren would be a bad choice he would only be even a possibility if Derby lost the play-off.  Personally, I hope that situation doesn't arise.  I would much rather that Derby won and QPR (a club that is a prime example of all that is rotten in football today) stayed down with the Chumps.  Much rather that than QPR in the Prem again and the outside possibility of McLaren coming to us.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: royhan on May 24, 2014, 02:27:05 PM
We are obviously looking for a new Head Coach as opposed to a new manager, but does anyone know who precisely decides on what new players we recruit. I assume the Head Coach will have an input as will JP, but who are the other faceless members of our selection panel?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: A5HB on May 24, 2014, 02:40:53 PM
We are obviously looking for a new Head Coach as opposed to a new manager, but does anyone know who precisely decides on what new players we recruit. I assume the Head Coach will have an input as will JP, but who are the other faceless members of our selection panel?
The player recruitment process is very much a joint effort. The club have a vast group of scouts that are coordinated by the S &T Director. They will see players who catch their eye, report back and then may be asked to go and scout them a few more times. After that a coach or the S & T Director may go and watch then to decide if they should be a target. When it comes to the transfer window, the coaches and the S & T Director will get together and discuss things such as what areas the club need to strengthen, what kind of play they need, etc. The Head Coach may well suggest a target (someone they know or someone they have watched through the clubs scouting network) or the S & T Director may suggest a few players they have picked out. Between then they decide which plays they should target, probably a few options for each position and then the club go away and try get some sorted.

That's where Chris Lepkowski's 'spinning plates' analogy comes in. We may attempt to sign 5 players for one position by making early enquiries for them in the hope that one will come off. That one may be a target that the Head Coach suggested, it may be one the club has identified and suggested. The prime example would be Vydra. It was clear that Kalou was a player Clarke wanted but when that didn't happen Vydra, who had been identified through the scouts, was the alternative.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 24, 2014, 02:48:39 PM
The player recruitment process is very much a joint effort. The club have a vast group of scouts that are coordinated by the S &T Director. They will see players who catch their eye, report back and then may be asked to go and scout them a few more times. After that a coach or the S & T Director may go and watch then to decide if they should be a target. When it comes to the transfer window, the coaches and the S & T Director will get together and discuss things such as what areas the club need to strengthen, what kind of play they need, etc. The Head Coach may well suggest a target (someone they know or someone they have watched through the clubs scouting network) or the S & T Director may suggest a few players they have picked out. Between then they decide which plays they should target, probably a few options for each position and then the club go away and try get some sorted.

That's where Chris Lepkowski's 'spinning plates' analogy comes in. We may attempt to sign 5 players for one position by making early enquiries for them in the hope that one will come off. That one may be a target that the Head Coach suggested, it may be one the club has identified and suggested. The prime example would be Vydra. It was clear that Kalou was a player Clarke wanted but when that didn't happen Vydra, who had been identified through the scouts, was the alternative.

That is how it is supposed to work, seemed to go a bit tits up last season with the influence of Dave McDonough.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 24, 2014, 03:56:50 PM
Lets look at the notion that there is an Albion way of football

Since 2000 we have had

Megson who was not noted for free flowing football
Robson as with Megson
Mowbray Fair cop tiki taka light
Di Matteo A bit more pragmatic
Hodgson cherished defensive organisation above all else
Clarke - Mourihino light
Mel - We never got to see what his style was but lets call it progressive

So out of the last 7 coaches the majority have not been noted for playing attacking football, the only one that looked like keeping us in the Premier League throughout his tenure was Hodgson. I think saying there is an Albion way which is inherently attacking is stretching a point.

Good point, but I think that makes for grim reading. The way I see it - as much as I liked Hodgson and even RDM, I think we have been at our best when we had a more attacking approach - Ron Atkinson's tenure being a very obvious example for me - yes I know it was a long time ago but that's the way I would want us to be. Of course picking our next few players will be crucial to that too, it's not like we've got Bomber, Regis or Cunningham in our squad I know.
I'd have loved to have seen us working with Pepe but that's sounding like a broken record now - what concerns me is that his sacking signifies that we are almost certainly not going down that sort of route and we are going to see more seasons of namby pamby poofy hoofy.
Final point though. If we ARE going down a more defensive route/ attack on the break, some defenders that understand their job description probably wouldn't go amiss.

Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggyman68 on May 24, 2014, 04:03:04 PM
Lets look at the notion that there is an Albion way of football

Since 2000 we have had

Megson who was not noted for free flowing football
Robson as with Megson
Mowbray Fair cop tiki taka light
Di Matteo A bit more pragmatic
Hodgson cherished defensive organisation above all else
Clarke - Mourihino light
Mel - We never got to see what his style was but lets call it progressive

So out of the last 7 coaches the majority have not been noted for playing attacking football, the only one that looked like keeping us in the Premier League throughout his tenure was Hodgson. I think saying there is an Albion way which is inherently attacking is stretching a point.
So you must be a younger fan who hasn't seen the videos from the 50s 60s 70s and 80s and just seem to want to watch any old dross as long as we stay in the premier!
We have a history that spans longer that 10 years  and that history is primarily attractive and attacking football.
We are not stoke or Wimbledon 
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Signor_Maresca on May 24, 2014, 04:21:40 PM
http://lookbackinmildbewilderment.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/the-unusual-suspects.html

Excellent blog standaman.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on May 24, 2014, 04:30:41 PM
loving the way Derby are playing. McLaren has to be looked at if Derby fail
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: blue on May 24, 2014, 05:33:16 PM
Steve Mclaren is 50_1 at boylesports , you can get them on oddschecker.
Worth a punt he ticks a lot of boxes.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on May 24, 2014, 05:43:11 PM
Steve Mclaren is 50_1 at boylesports , you can get them on oddschecker.
Worth a punt he ticks a lot of boxes.

He's also a "head coach" at Derby and I think he was in Dutch footie too
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: RogerBadoo on May 24, 2014, 06:01:33 PM
Having watch todays game and seen the way he encouraged speed, pressing and youth I think McLaren would be ideal. Also imagine what a boost for Thorne it would be as well (surely he will be first choice defensive midfielder next season) - we need Peace to get his cash out and make it so. He's done it before with Di Matteo and Mowbray so it's not impossible.

Let's also not forget that he took Middlesbrough to the UEFA Cup Final and regular top 10 finishes.

Best option right now. I wonder if he would actually consider leaving Derby however?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: wobbs68 on May 24, 2014, 06:08:41 PM
Also comes with his own umbrella
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 24, 2014, 06:09:07 PM
Bit disappointed that Harry Redknapp isn't in the list who we could vote for. Best manager England never had.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Mr Cynical on May 24, 2014, 06:16:13 PM
Bit disappointed that Harry Redknapp isn't in the list who we could vote for. Best manager England never had.

Really fits the Peace model.  Can you imagine the 'January window is just for topping up' meeting?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: royhan on May 24, 2014, 06:16:31 PM
Steve Mclaren is 50_1 at boylesports , you can get them on oddschecker.
Worth a punt he ticks a lot of boxes.
Down to 25/1 now. I just missed out on 50/1
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: royhan on May 24, 2014, 06:23:29 PM
Does anyone know how long McClaren is contracted to at Derby?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Mr Cynical on May 24, 2014, 06:27:44 PM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: smethwickw on May 24, 2014, 06:32:22 PM
Does anyone know how long McClaren is contracted to at Derby?

2 years left I think.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 24, 2014, 06:36:11 PM
i do wonder if we are waiting for this weekends results to see what the state of play is. McClaren and Clement both involved in important matches.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on May 24, 2014, 07:34:04 PM
Upon re-reading the statement, it's quite easy to interpret as Peace liking a McLaren type figure. He knows the structure, has a great CLUB record. He has the "the wally with the brolly" stigma that needs to be looked beyond. For me now it goes likes this:
McLaren
Jol
Moyes
Clement
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: A5HB on May 24, 2014, 07:45:33 PM
Bit disappointed that Harry Redknapp isn't in the list who we could vote for. Best manager England never had.
I'd be mortified if he was ever mentioned in relation to any job with us. I absolutely detest him. The guy is a cancer within football, everything the modern manager or head coach shouldn't be.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: royhan on May 24, 2014, 08:50:41 PM
I'd be mortified if he was ever mentioned in relation to any job with us. I absolutely detest him. The guy is a cancer within football, everything the modern manager or head coach shouldn't be.

Not even this spendaholic could prise open JP's wallet ;D ;D
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: royhan on May 24, 2014, 09:38:13 PM
I will be delighted if we can persuade McClaren to leave Derby. He reminds me very much of Roy. He is a man of great integrity and humility - as demonstrated in his after match interview today - and he is someone with a similarly impressive track record to Roy.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggie38 on May 24, 2014, 09:39:14 PM
Bit disappointed that Harry Redknapp isn't in the list who we could vote for. Best manager England never had.

Surely that's a joke? Brian Clough is the best manager England never had Harry Redknapp is the most over rated manager in the country he has spent a large sum of money where ever he has been.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: royhan on May 24, 2014, 09:42:21 PM
 8)
Surely that's a joke? Brian Clough is the best manager England never had Harry Redknapp is the most over rated manager in the country he has spent a large sum of money where ever he has been.

....and left a number of clubs in a financial mess.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Quakes Fan on May 24, 2014, 09:45:20 PM
I will be delighted if we can persuade McClaren to leave Derby. He reminds me very much of Roy. He is a man of great integrity and humility - as demonstrated in his after match interview today - and he is someone with a similarly impressive track record to Roy.

I was very much impressed with that interview as well. It oozed character.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Standaman on May 24, 2014, 09:50:30 PM
So you must be a younger fan who hasn't seen the videos from the 50s 60s 70s and 80s and just seem to want to watch any old dross as long as we stay in the premier!
We have a history that spans longer that 10 years  and that history is primarily attractive and attacking football.
We are not stoke or Wimbledon

Regrettably I am plenty old enough to remember first hand the 60's 70's & 80's but if there was a tradition it pretty much died with the early 80's side. I remember the past but I don't live in it while we were out of the top flight football changed and our current reality is determined by our recent history.

If we ship 2 goals a game we are going down and whilst I would like us to play progressive football it cannot be done at the expensive of our defensive solidity. We can progress we don't have to be as crabby as we were at the latter stages of Clarke's reign but the new coach needs to start from where we are not where we might like to be, 
   
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: maccbaggie on May 24, 2014, 10:32:44 PM
I still can't get past this with Steve McClaren.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZnoP4sUV90
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 24, 2014, 11:05:47 PM
Surely that's a joke? Brian Clough is the best manager England never had Harry Redknapp is the most over rated manager in the country he has spent a large sum of money where ever he has been.
No joke, the London press keep telling me how good he is.   :-X
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Quakes Fan on May 24, 2014, 11:12:34 PM
I still can't get past this with Steve McClaren.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZnoP4sUV90 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZnoP4sUV90)

Yeah, there's such as thing as too much honesty.  ;)
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ian66 on May 25, 2014, 06:02:32 AM
i do wonder if we are waiting for this weekends results to see what the state of play is. McClaren and Clement both involved in important matches.
June 1st when Terry Burton officially starts his role.

Also, they did say a four week appointment which I presume is based on the above.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ian66 on May 25, 2014, 06:17:21 AM
Regrettably I am plenty old enough to remember first hand the 60's 70's & 80's but if there was a tradition it pretty much died with the early 80's side. I remember the past but I don't live in it while we were out of the top flight football changed and our current reality is determined by our recent history.

If we ship 2 goals a game we are going down and whilst I would like us to play progressive football it cannot be done at the expensive of our defensive solidity. We can progress we don't have to be as crabby as we were at the latter stages of Clarke's reign but the new coach needs to start from where we are not where we might like to be, 
 
Couldn't agree more.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 25, 2014, 07:13:53 AM
Regrettably I am plenty old enough to remember first hand the 60's 70's & 80's but if there was a tradition it pretty much died with the early 80's side. I remember the past but I don't live in it while we were out of the top flight football changed and our current reality is determined by our recent history.

If we ship 2 goals a game we are going down and whilst I would like us to play progressive football it cannot be done at the expensive of our defensive solidity. We can progress we don't have to be as crabby as we were at the latter stages of Clarke's reign but the new coach needs to start from where we are not where we might like to be, 
 

Why is it I find I always agree with your posts? Spot on, again.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on May 25, 2014, 08:44:36 AM
Just seen an interview with Paul Clement saying he's loved the experience with Real and wants to enjoy the moment of winning the champs league but he's ready to step up now and wants to become a manager. It was definitely a "come and get me" to any club considering him and I would've thought we were.

I'm hoping the search ramps up next week. The official site said Burton officially starts on June 1st so I wouldn't be surprised if the club are at least communicating with Burton at the start of next week to narrow down the short list
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Brummie Road on May 25, 2014, 09:05:15 AM
Regrettably I am plenty old enough to remember first hand the 60's 70's & 80's but if there was a tradition it pretty much died with the early 80's side. I remember the past but I don't live in it while we were out of the top flight football changed and our current reality is determined by our recent history.

If we ship 2 goals a game we are going down and whilst I would like us to play progressive football it cannot be done at the expensive of our defensive solidity. We can progress we don't have to be as crabby as we were at the latter stages of Clarke's reign but the new coach needs to start from where we are not where we might like to be, 
 

I'm joining the "standaman" appreciation society.

Great post (as always).

From a solely personal perspective I've always been bemused by some of our supporters clinging to this "Albion way" thing like some kind of badge of honour.

To me we have to look at what has worked for us since we gained promotion under RDM and finally gained Premiership stability (on the basis that last season was hopefully a one off blip). With the key issue being the type of players we can realistically hope to attract with our resources, which are clearly limited compared to the majority of clubs at this level, and severely limited in comparison to the 6 clubs who are always in contention for the European competitions.

I feel we have to take a practical and realistically achievable perspective rather than being hamstrung by a need to play in a certain way.

Looking back over recent seasons, to me Roy Hodgson epitomised this approach and did a fantastic job, laying down the foundations for our highest ever finish in the Prem (for which Steve Clarke also obviously deserves credit as well) and for me that's why I've no problem if Albion were to appoint a new Head Coach with a reputation for emphasis on a solid defence and the counter attacking game as I can't see us surviving at this level with any other approach.

Just a personal view, and I'm happy to trust the club to do the right thing, whether it's an internal or external appointment. I thought Peace's recent statement was excellent and very reassuring and feel the appointment of Burton is an astute decision, so I feel pretty chilled about the situation to be honest.

 
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Prokhorych on May 25, 2014, 09:14:37 AM
I feel we have to take a practical and realistically achievable perspective rather than being hamstrung by a need to play in a certain way.

Can't agree I'm afraid. Every club has an approach to the game which is deep in their DNA. Ours is about passing and attacking football. If a head coach takes us too far away from this eventually it will breed discontent - just as is currently happening at West Ham
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Adder on May 25, 2014, 09:18:47 AM
Can't agree I'm afraid. Every club has an approach to the game which is deep in their DNA. Ours is about passing and attacking football. If a head coach takes us too far away from this eventually it will breed discontent - just as is currently happening at West Ham
There's a balance that's needed. Our best performances under Hodgson and Clarke came when we got the ball down and passed it. There were games under both where there was far too much hoof which frankly produced sterile performances.
Which ever style we play we need pace in wide areas and up front and far more movement than we saw for most of this season.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: gerry m on May 25, 2014, 09:22:19 AM
8)
....and left a number of clubs in a financial mess.

Exactly! Guess who's finances are not in a mess.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: thelawyer on May 25, 2014, 10:04:32 AM
Paul Clement was interviewed after the Champions League final and confirmed he was looking for a head coach role now and felt he had served his apprenticeship. Just wonder whether now play offs and champions league is out the way we might see some more overt momentum in the hunt.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on May 25, 2014, 10:15:44 AM
Paul Clement was interviewed after the Champions League final and confirmed he was looking for a head coach role now and felt he had served his apprenticeship. Just wonder whether now play offs and champions league is out the way we might see some more overt momentum in the hunt.

That and Burton's arrival, I'm guessing things will move on fast in the next 2 weeks
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Standaman on May 25, 2014, 10:17:07 AM
Just seen an interview with Paul Clement saying he's loved the experience with Real and wants to enjoy the moment of winning the champs league but he's ready to step up now and wants to become a manager. It was definitely a "come and get me" to any club considering him and I would've thought we were.

I'm hoping the search ramps up next week. The official site said Burton officially starts on June 1st so I wouldn't be surprised if the club are at least communicating with Burton at the start of next week to narrow down the short list

Apparently Burton has been in regular contact with the club concerning the new head coach I think the short list will be place by the time he starts on June 1st.

I am not sure we will promote an assistant to the Head Coach position again after Clarke whose CV was not too dissimilar to Clement's lots of experience as an assistant at big clubs where he would be working with players that are generally better than ours and no experience of being a Head Coach.

Personally I championed Clarke's appointment and thought given that the role at Albion is primarily about hands on coaching his lack of experience as a number one did not particularly matter. However as things began to unravel in the second half of his first season it was apparent that he lacked the required leadership skills to turn the situation around.   

Coming back to the style debate I think Swansea are often held up as the team with a consistently attractive style that has been maintained across the reign of several managers and on resources that are not dissimilar to ours. Firstly what people tend to overlook is that Rodgers tightened them up defensively and they still don't give too much away at the back. Secondly their style was born in the third tier of English football where they would have been one of the bigger clubs and would have been able to attract the best players in that Division, something we did in the championship under Mowbray but failed to follow it through by staying in the Premier League. 

We on the other hand have achieved success on the basis of the work Hodgson did with the squad it was hard working and disciplined. Under Clarke we lost our way for a whole host of reasons and then imported Mel midway through a season and he tried to change our style of play radically in the midst of a relegation scrap. Unfortunately I think that was very much a case of trying to run before we could walk.

We need to look to the next coach to build on what is here in much the same way Hughes has done at Stoke who coincidently out passed us for large parts of the final game of the season. I hope the coach starts the process of changing our style to something more progressive but not at the expense of being defensively sound.             
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on May 25, 2014, 10:46:06 AM
Well when you put it that way Standaman, perhaps the trio of McClaren, Jol and Moyes should be the faves
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: swad35 on May 25, 2014, 11:31:44 AM
Well when you put it that way Standaman, perhaps the trio of McClaren, Jol and Moyes should be the faves

I think they probably are, I also think Jol is most likely to get the job however if Moyes wanted the job it would be his.

Can't see them giving Clement a go, I think they will go tried and tested. Personally I would take Clement if not Moyes. What player wouldn't be excited to play under this young successful coach.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on May 25, 2014, 11:38:20 AM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 25, 2014, 11:47:03 AM
i think of  the names we fear the most, Hughton, Malky,Jones, Lennon etc.These guys need to be re building their stock in the Championship, apart from Lennon of course they have all failed and been sacked.I am pretty confident i dont think any of these will be our next head coach
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: swad35 on May 25, 2014, 12:26:25 PM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: slugga1 on May 25, 2014, 12:58:39 PM
I really hope  we don't don't go for someone like clement.  You have to remember that although they (Clarke too) have worked under the best managers.. They have also been at the best clubs with money where that manager can buy the best players on the market,  it would be more criminal if they weren't successful in their roles.  We need  someone who can work with players in the low to middle end of the market give them belief in their abilities,  can spot a player,  work as a team and have some rapport with the fans too. 

I'd like McCalaren,  Moyes would be fantastic too but I doubt he would come. 
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Sussex-Baggie on May 25, 2014, 01:08:07 PM
As others have probably already said, David Moyes would be the stand-out candidate by some distance. If he is interested in the job, I hope the club do everything in their power to persuade him to join us.

Apart from Moyes, I think Steve McClaren should be another contender if there is any any chance of him being persuaded to leave Derby following their play-off final defeat yesterday.

Paul Clement is an interesting potential candidate, and there will probably be a few rumours now he seems keen to leave Real Madrid and become a head coach in his own right. I backed the appointment of Steve Clarke at the time and think the head coach role suits an experienced assistant, even if they have not been a number one before.

However, I would be surprised if we appoint another assistant and promote them to a head coach due to the poor run of form during Clarke's last few months in charge and also because there are arguably better candidates available this time than there were when we appointed Clarke and when we appointed Pepe Mel back in January.

Whoever we appoint, I hope we move fairly quickly from now. The club have a bit more time to make the right appointment now we are in the close season, but it is vital to get the new head coach in as quickly as possible to give them an opportunity to assess the current squad and have their say on potential new signings.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Dan on May 25, 2014, 01:31:22 PM
I would hope the club would have far more common sense to not write off Clement based on Clarke (who didn't even do a bad job - we did finish 8th). We weren't doing great this season but it ended up showing that off the field matters were hardly helping much either. Which even then its not like all coaches are the same. It's a bit like saying we shouldn't go for an experienced coach in case it ends like Jol did for Fulham, which would of course be ridiculous. The fact is that in the vast, vast majority of cases a manager does end up being sacked.



Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ronny boy on May 25, 2014, 01:40:29 PM
I see another of Downing's Pals championing his cause to be our next head coach in the Birmingham mail...  >:(

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/mel-eves-west-brom-should-7169669

With the available coaches around at the moment this has to be one of the biggest no no's in the history of no no's. I've said it before, he will get us relegated. He had his chance and didn't want it.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: maccbaggie on May 25, 2014, 01:47:08 PM
Downing would be a suicidal appointment. Even if you forget the relationship he has with the players (which would surely lead to them doing whatever they feel like), Downing's tactics in his short period of time as interim head coach were the worst I've seen here in my life. 3 at the back, Gera at wing-back with Amalfitano behind the striker is just one example  :o The Southampton performance, his final game in charge, was the most frustrating performance of the season. Waited til the 86th minute to bring Vydra on when we'd been crying out for a change all game  ???
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ronny boy on May 25, 2014, 01:48:31 PM
I would hope the club would have far more common sense to not write off Clement based on Clarke (who didn't even do a bad job - we did finish 8th). We weren't doing great this season but it ended up showing that off the field matters were hardly helping much either. Which even then its not like all coaches are the same. It's a bit like saying we shouldn't go for an experienced coach in case it ends like Jol did for Fulham, which would of course be ridiculous. The fact is that in the vast, vast majority of cases a manager does end up being sacked.


I, too, can't see the club ruling Clement out based on Clarke's tenure. Surely he has to be on the clubs 7 man shortlist as stated in the birmingham mail's article i previously posted.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: leeiswba on May 25, 2014, 01:49:35 PM
Everyone going on like Clarke was a failure, the FACT is he delivered us our best season for 30 years. It's an OPINION that it was all to do with Hodgson especially as the results were completely different I.e we struggled at home with Hodgson where as under Clarke our home form was very good, although towards the end it wasn't very good I think he gets a lot of unfair stick as if he was a failure.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 25, 2014, 02:13:53 PM
I think Steve Clarke will find it difficult finding another premier league club, he has to prove himself first and that can only happen in the championship or below.Yes we finished 8Th thanks to Lukaku.A tactically inept coach who lost his way after November 2012, some would say when the momentum of Roy's reign came to an end.
I hope they get this head coach sorted soon so i can go on holiday with my new pinstripe top on knowing we are in safe hands
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ian66 on May 25, 2014, 02:27:46 PM
I think Steve Clarke will find it difficult finding another premier league club, he has to prove himself first and that can only happen in the championship or below.Yes we finished 8Th thanks to Lukaku.A tactically inept coach who lost his way after November 2012, some would say when the momentum of Roy's reign came to an end.I hope they get this head coach sorted soon so i can go on holiday with my new pinstripe top on knowing we are in safe hands
Very true...if Steve Clarke was as good as the national press and some people that post on here make out I'm sure clubs would be falling over each other to give him a job. All as people seem to look at is the 8th league position.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Semaj Riatsila on May 25, 2014, 02:46:31 PM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Semaj Riatsila on May 25, 2014, 02:51:40 PM
I think Steve Clarke will find it difficult finding another premier league club, he has to prove himself first and that can only happen in the championship or below.Yes we finished 8Th thanks to Lukaku.A tactically inept coach who lost his way after November 2012, some would say when the momentum of Roy's reign came to an end.
I hope they get this head coach sorted soon so i can go on holiday with my new pinstripe top on knowing we are in safe hands

True! I think the Roy reign topic is over now. We were the perfect stepping stone for the end of his career, which will finish this year. He ain't our manager and has not been for some time. Our club needs to move on.  Whom that will be I really cannot say!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: bry on May 25, 2014, 03:25:43 PM
Please refer to a great post on this forum about betting and how to cover and spread! One of the best posts ever and gave an insight of how to actually win in these situations. I ain't going to link it because if your serious then 1. You would of read it and 2. If your serious you can find it!

Just quoted you as your putting odds up so not pointed but just referring on your post :)

I'VE TRIED I CAN'T FIND IT.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: FallOutBoy on May 25, 2014, 03:34:42 PM
Having thought about it and weighed up all the options, I guess you would have to say Moyes would be the ideal candidate; it'd be more a case of if he wanted it and if he was prepared to fit into our set up.

If we were going to give somebody a go without experience, then I would say Clement would be the man I would go to; but I wouldn't prefer that option as I think we need somebody with a bit of nous to organise and drill the defence as Hodgson did.

I hope we don't end up with Downing, as I just can't see that one working. I think we will go for somebody with a bit of experience, although I'd be disappointed if it was one of the current favourites.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ian66 on May 25, 2014, 04:33:29 PM
Having thought about it and weighed up all the options, I guess you would have to say Moyes would be the ideal candidate; it'd be more a case of if he wanted it and if he was prepared to fit into our set up.If we were going to give somebody a go without experience, then I would say Clement would be the man I would go to; but I wouldn't prefer that option as I think we need somebody with a bit of nous to organise and drill the defence as Hodgson did.

I hope we don't end up with Downing, as I just can't see that one working. I think we will go for somebody with a bit of experience, although I'd be disappointed if it was one of the current favourites.
Peace had reduced his options by committing to keeping Downing and Kiely. It may prove difficult to get a top coach to buy into that as most coaches want their own people around them as we all know...but somehow Peace sees it different.

Moyes would be my preferred option but I would be very surprised if he came.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: smethwickw on May 25, 2014, 04:38:58 PM
Peace had reduced his options by committing to keeping Downing and Kiely. It may prove difficult to get a top coach to buy into that as most coaches want their own people around them as we all know...but somehow Peace sees it different.

Moyes would be my preferred option but I would be very surprised if he came.

Totally agree. I actually think that Moyes would have some interest in coming here but the staff issue will be the stumbling block. We need a clean sweep because things just haven't worked over the last 18months.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: pompeybaggie on May 25, 2014, 05:04:03 PM
Not saying its true, but my friend at uni's housemate's dad is supposedly on the west brom board of directors and has said clement is imminent, fair bit of money gone down and his odds have dropped over most sites. just a heads up.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: palmaroy on May 25, 2014, 05:05:53 PM
Clement is 9/4 favourite on skybets
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on May 25, 2014, 05:07:49 PM
Not saying its true, but my friend at uni's housemate's dad is supposedly on the west brom board of directors and has said clement is imminent, fair bit of money gone down and his odds have dropped over most sites. just a heads up.

That's quite tenuous!!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ian66 on May 25, 2014, 05:08:07 PM
Not saying its true, but my friend at uni's housemate's dad is supposedly on the west brom board of directors and has said clement is imminent, fair bit of money gone down and his odds have dropped over most sites. just a heads up.

http://www.theargus.co.uk/sport/11235317.Clement_new_favourite_for_Albion_job_after_Euro_glory/
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on May 25, 2014, 05:11:36 PM
Clement is 9/4 favourite on skybets

6/4 for the other Albion. Looks like a lots of money is going on him for the 2 most obvious teams that would get him
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: leeiswba on May 25, 2014, 05:17:44 PM
Id be very happy with Clement.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: timdon on May 25, 2014, 05:19:27 PM
I don't think it will be Paul Clement either, but it is ridiculous that some people are writing him off just because he is a number 2. Just because Steve Clarke didn't do particularly well, doesn't mean that every number 2 will not be up to the task. An awful lot of successful managers started as a number 2. It's the same for managers of lower league teams, especially younger ones. For every manager/coach who has made the step up and failed, there is one who has proved a success. There are also plenty of managers/coaches who have had previous Premiership experience who have failed, so be careful what you wish for. In reality, we never know if someone is a good fit for us until until he has been here for a year or so, but personally I'd rather we took a chance on an ambitious young coach than go for one of the boring old farts some people are bandying about as "good, safe appointments".
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: gerry m on May 25, 2014, 05:38:26 PM
http://www.theargus.co.uk/sport/11235317.Clement_new_favourite_for_Albion_job_after_Euro_glory/

Im taking it you realise this is the Brighton Albion and not us!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Standaman on May 25, 2014, 05:51:54 PM
I wouldn't be upset by us hiring Clement but with our recent past in mind I think the club might opt for a candidate with at least some experience as a Head Coach. Equally I would be perfectly happy with Moyes but I just don't see him being interested in the job.

As ever I wouldn't pay too much attention to the bookies odds certainly not unless someone goes odds-on on the back of some well informed reporting. To date the only real news on Clement is that he has said that he wants to break into management.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: palmaroy on May 25, 2014, 05:52:34 PM
Clement is 5/6 on with sky bet.
They must have a bit of money going on bin.
West Brom not Brighton
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: hardtobeat on May 25, 2014, 06:05:55 PM
Clement is 9/4 favourite on skybets
odds on @ william hill :o :o :o
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Post by: cads_ap_albion on May 25, 2014, 06:16:58 PM
Deja v.  Go back 4 months ago.

no one has a clue.
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Post by: Dan on May 25, 2014, 06:38:25 PM
I'd imagine there's a good chance he'd be interviewed, but that's it at this stage. I doubt we'll be rushing into any appointments.
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Post by: Mikkyk on May 25, 2014, 07:02:45 PM
Clement would still have to be classed as a bit of a risk surely? I'm not against the idea of Clement thought, with what little I know of him, I think it would be a decent appointment. He has been bookies favourites for the Brighton job for a while now though.

As for other options, Moyes and Mcclaren yes, pretty much everybody else no
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 25, 2014, 07:12:10 PM
Our fans love re-writing history when it comes to Steve Clarke. He is the man who has delivered us with our best season in what must be thirty years or more, he was a man who delivered an exciting brand of attacking football, some of which was being compared to the iconic team of the late seventies who played with a style and exuberance, admittedly, Steve Clarke's Albion wasn't in that class. There are a certain few that cannot wait to discredit his achievements, picking holes in his demeanour, his nationality and previously his looks. They cannot wait to discredit his achievement by either insisting it was all of Hodgson's doing, despite us playing far better football than Hodgson ever had us playing, and that we were lucky we had Lukaku - a man Steve Clarke knew well and put his faith into - that wasn't look, that was good, sensible management.

Still, he's the worst thing to ever happen to us according to some. Granted, Clarke's reign slowly petered out but it hardly improved under the messiah Pepe Mel, who some cannot wait too applaud despite having a no better record than Steve Clarke. Laughable, but as you were.
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Post by: baggie38 on May 25, 2014, 07:18:13 PM
I hope it's not Clement. We need someone with experience of English football who can work within our system. I should imagine if Clement gets the job alot of people won't renew.
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Post by: royhan on May 25, 2014, 07:33:08 PM
Clement must be a top quality coach or he wouldn't hold such a key role at Real Madrid. We are after all looking for a coach, not a manager. Moyes is no doubt a very good manager. Having said that I'd be happy with either.
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Post by: gerry m on May 25, 2014, 07:38:53 PM
Cannot for the life of me think why Clement would want to leave Real Madrid!
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Post by: thelawyer on May 25, 2014, 07:45:41 PM
Would it be the first time a club has one brother as a player and the other becomes the gaffer? :o
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Post by: baggie38 on May 25, 2014, 07:46:36 PM
Cannot for the life of me think why Clement would want to leave Real Madrid!

He has heard rave reviews for the harvester up west brom.
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Post by: Adder on May 25, 2014, 07:46:57 PM
Our fans love re-writing history when it comes to Steve Clarke. He is the man who has delivered us with our best season in what must be thirty years or more, he was a man who delivered an exciting brand of attacking football, some of which was being compared to the iconic team of the late seventies who played with a style and exuberance, admittedly, Steve Clarke's Albion wasn't in that class. There are a certain few that cannot wait to discredit his achievements, picking holes in his demeanour, his nationality and previously his looks. They cannot wait to discredit his achievement by either insisting it was all of Hodgson's doing, despite us playing far better football than Hodgson ever had us playing, and that we were lucky we had Lukaku - a man Steve Clarke knew well and put his faith into - that wasn't look, that was good, sensible management.

Still, he's the worst thing to ever happen to us according to some. Granted, Clarke's reign slowly petered out but it hardly improved under the messiah Pepe Mel, who some cannot wait too applaud despite having a no better record than Steve Clarke. Laughable, but as you were.
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Post by: lewisant on May 25, 2014, 07:48:17 PM
I know we have to take the bookies with a punch of salt but I can't help but check! Tony Mowbray is suddenly second fave on oddschecker? Whyyyy?
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Post by: Mikkyk on May 25, 2014, 07:49:32 PM
Our fans love re-writing history when it comes to Steve Clarke. He is the man who has delivered us with our best season in what must be thirty years or more, he was a man who delivered an exciting brand of attacking football, some of which was being compared to the iconic team of the late seventies who played with a style and exuberance, admittedly, Steve Clarke's Albion wasn't in that class. There are a certain few that cannot wait to discredit his achievements, picking holes in his demeanour, his nationality and previously his looks. They cannot wait to discredit his achievement by either insisting it was all of Hodgson's doing, despite us playing far better football than Hodgson ever had us playing, and that we were lucky we had Lukaku - a man Steve Clarke knew well and put his faith into - that wasn't look, that was good, sensible management.

Still, he's the worst thing to ever happen to us according to some. Granted, Clarke's reign slowly petered out but it hardly improved under the messiah Pepe Mel, who some cannot wait too applaud despite having a no better record than Steve Clarke. Laughable, but as you were.

What exciting brand of football was that, the one where we had third lowest average possession and struggled to score?
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Post by: lewisant on May 25, 2014, 07:50:53 PM
I know we have to take the bookies with a punch of salt but I can't help but check! Tony Mowbray is suddenly second fave on oddschecker? Whyyyy?

My mistake! I was in Brighton! Wondered why Pepe Mel was 40/1
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Post by: royhan on May 25, 2014, 07:53:23 PM
I know we have to take the bookies with a punch of salt but I can't help but check! Tony Mowbray is suddenly second fave on oddschecker? Whyyyy?

No he's not. He is 66/1
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Post by: Mikkyk on May 25, 2014, 07:53:36 PM
My mistake! I was in Brighton! Wondered why Pepe Mel was 40/1

I was about to say! Clement's odds are now evens or lower with every bookie on oddschecker
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Adder on May 25, 2014, 07:59:55 PM
Our fans love re-writing history when it comes to Steve Clarke. He is the man who has delivered us with our best season in what must be thirty years or more, he was a man who delivered an exciting brand of attacking football, some of which was being compared to the iconic team of the late seventies who played with a style and exuberance, admittedly, Steve Clarke's Albion wasn't in that class. There are a certain few that cannot wait to discredit his achievements, picking holes in his demeanour, his nationality and previously his looks. They cannot wait to discredit his achievement by either insisting it was all of Hodgson's doing, despite us playing far better football than Hodgson ever had us playing, and that we were lucky we had Lukaku - a man Steve Clarke knew well and put his faith into - that wasn't look, that was good, sensible management.

Still, he's the worst thing to ever happen to us according to some. Granted, Clarke's reign slowly petered out but it hardly improved under the messiah Pepe Mel, who some cannot wait too applaud despite having a no better record than Steve Clarke. Laughable, but as you were.
I agree with most of what you say without bringing Pepe into it. The idea that Clarke was some disastrous mistake is crazy. The idea that it was all down to Hodgson's organisation and the presence of Lukaku is crazy. Clarke was obviously instrumental in getting Rom to the club and he spent half the time sat on the bench anyway. On balance the football under Clarke was more entertaining than under Hodgson. It's water under the bridge (or should be) but there's seldom a day goes by on here where Clarke's reign is not trodden down further.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: leeiswba on May 25, 2014, 09:13:42 PM
Our fans love re-writing history when it comes to Steve Clarke. He is the man who has delivered us with our best season in what must be thirty years or more, he was a man who delivered an exciting brand of attacking football, some of which was being compared to the iconic team of the late seventies who played with a style and exuberance, admittedly, Steve Clarke's Albion wasn't in that class. There are a certain few that cannot wait to discredit his achievements, picking holes in his demeanour, his nationality and previously his looks. They cannot wait to discredit his achievement by either insisting it was all of Hodgson's doing, despite us playing far better football than Hodgson ever had us playing, and that we were lucky we had Lukaku - a man Steve Clarke knew well and put his faith into - that wasn't look, that was good, sensible management.

Still, he's the worst thing to ever happen to us according to some. Granted, Clarke's reign slowly petered out but it hardly improved under the messiah Pepe Mel, who some cannot wait too applaud despite having a no better record than Steve Clarke. Laughable, but as you were.

Agree 100% mate, some people just see what they want to see. I'll remember Clarke as giving me one of, if not the best season following the Albion so far.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Mooncat on May 25, 2014, 09:27:32 PM
And just to add to the 'was Clarke all that bad' subtext, we're also led to believe that Dave McDonaugh was trying to undermine the existing regime and make his own position stronger. And I'd bet he'd have liked to bring Lukaku back too............
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Post by: Signor_Maresca on May 25, 2014, 10:17:50 PM
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Post by: Signor_Maresca on May 25, 2014, 10:20:52 PM
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Post by: stever60 on May 25, 2014, 10:35:58 PM
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Post by: Greenock Baggie on May 25, 2014, 10:38:02 PM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Wbahunty on May 25, 2014, 10:41:24 PM
Key to all this is in the title...

Head Coach

Not a Manager...
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 25, 2014, 10:43:36 PM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 25, 2014, 10:47:41 PM
Paul Clement would supposedly not have as many back room staff requirements and could therefore fit into our regime better than say Hughton, Moyes, Malky.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Greenock Baggie on May 25, 2014, 10:49:11 PM
I spend more attending two games than most people do on a season ticket, people like Greenock spend a small fortune going to matches beyond the cost of their season ticket, they are entitled to make a judgement based on the football that will be served up in front of them.
Exactly mate. Not blowing my trumpet here but I have travelled from Scotland BY SCOOTER for the last 8 years or so and to be fobbed off with mediocrity is not on. I'm not asking for Champions League but I am asking for commitment from the club to me. It is a 2 way street after all. I'm buying a product ( ie season ticket ) and its up to the club to make me spend my money. That attitude doesn't mean I "support" them any less............it just means I have priorities, more so know I have kids..........and my bones and body aint as young as it once was with all that travelling, lol
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Post by: Signor_Maresca on May 25, 2014, 11:02:05 PM
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Post by: Greenock Baggie on May 25, 2014, 11:08:43 PM
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Post by: PsalmXXIII on May 25, 2014, 11:20:05 PM
I spend more attending two games than most people do on a season ticket, people like Greenock spend a small fortune going to matches beyond the cost of their season ticket, they are entitled to make a judgement based on the football that will be served up in front of them.

Same here, I've spent 40 quid a game for 5 years on top of my season ticket so it costs me a small fortune a season, as far as I'm concerned travelling 250 miles round trip per home game, and more per away game gives me the right to choose to save money on the club. With a good appointment and some ambitious intent the club can win me back.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Standaman on May 25, 2014, 11:54:16 PM
Couple of points on Clarke and whoever we appoint.

Firstly Clarke good bad or indifferent? My view was that until we hit the post Christmas slump in his first season good but critically he seemed incapable of delivering an effective solution to the downturn in form. Exactly what was the root cause of the problem I'm not sure but no doubt some of the players' form dipped and never really recovered.

Regardless of the coach our squad will never be good enough to go through a whole season without going through a bit of a sticky patch. It was this down turn that did for Clarke and DiMatteo. It is how coaches respond to adversity and how they coax, grind or drag the necessary improvement and results from the team that really makes a difference.

From this perspective there is probably no substitute for experience which counts against someone like Paul Clement. No one can criticise him because of the style of football that he is likely to adopt because we don't know what it will be. Personally I am perplexed as to why someone would take his appointment so badly as not to renew their season ticket there might be better candidates but I am also sure there are worse.

I won't criticise anyone for going or not going to a game of football we all have our own views and personal priorities.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on May 26, 2014, 06:46:39 AM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Astle1968 on May 26, 2014, 07:55:02 AM
Where have you heard that?

That would go against everything the club have said for the past month, and also go against ever other appointment they have made for the last 7/8 years. I'm not ITK but I can't see any way it will be any of them
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Albertbaggie on May 26, 2014, 09:13:31 AM
If after interviewing every man and his dog the club decide to appoint Keith Downing then they don't deserve anyones money.

From what i've heard today its between Downing, Hughton and Dave Jones.
Considering the local press say we are set to work on a seven-man shortlist this week, and Terry Burton doesn't even start  until June 1, find this hard to believe
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: tuamigos on May 26, 2014, 09:39:29 AM
If after interviewing every man and his dog the club decide to appoint Keith Downing then they don't deserve anyones money.

From what i've heard today its between Downing, Hughton and Dave Jones.

If JP appoints either of those his interview last week was nothing more than a smokescreen.
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Post by: Chipperfan on May 26, 2014, 09:46:40 AM
For what it's worth, Paul Clement is now odds on.
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Post by: Chipperfan on May 26, 2014, 09:49:26 AM
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Post by: ex coseley kid on May 26, 2014, 10:01:54 AM
If JP appoints either of those his interview last week was nothing more than a smokescreen.

Quite. Blimey, the butcher, the baker, the candlestick maker....
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Post by: ex coseley kid on May 26, 2014, 10:04:59 AM
Exactly mate. Not blowing my trumpet here but I have travelled from Scotland BY SCOOTER for the last 8 years or so and to be fobbed off with mediocrity is not on. I'm not asking for Champions League but I am asking for commitment from the club to me. It is a 2 way street after all. I'm buying a product ( ie season ticket ) and its up to the club to make me spend my money. That attitude doesn't mean I "support" them any less............it just means I have priorities, more so know I have kids..........and my bones and body aint as young as it once was with all that travelling, lol

Excellent post. Quite right too.
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Post by: leeiswba on May 26, 2014, 10:35:40 AM
Unfortunately with the way football is now, the people who don't renew it is their loss more than the clubs loss.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: kc56wba on May 26, 2014, 11:14:17 AM
I have seen many Albion managers since 1965 and not once did I say I am not going because of the manager, I may not be happy about a certain appointment the same as other fans do but I still go and will continue to for as long as my health holds out. Saying that, fans all have different opinions and it is up to them if they want to have a season ticket or not depending on the appointment of the next manager.

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Post by: ian66 on May 26, 2014, 11:23:52 AM
I have seen many Albion managers since 1965 and not once did I say I am not going because of the manager, I may not be happy about a certain appointment the same as other fans do but I still go and will continue to for as long as my health holds out. Saying that, fans all have different opinions and it is up to them if they want to have a season ticket or not depending on the appointment of the next manager.
Very true. Majority of fans never wanted Ron Saunders or Bobby Gould but on both occasions I still renewed and I don't think we could appoint anyone as bad as those two this time.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: VANDERLEI on May 26, 2014, 12:38:38 PM
Malky Mackay is a good value bet at 12/1 (SkyBet) now. It's no secret that he thought of highly by the hierarchy at our club, and hasn't been "ruled out" yet like some of the unpopular choices who happen to have the same or worse odds. From what Peace has stated in the press, Mackay certainly fits the bill of what JP is aiming for.
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Post by: townster on May 26, 2014, 01:41:33 PM
Another yes man to work with sweet FA then ,because that's all he'll get from this board ,no vision ,ambition or connection with the fans , they have lost the plot in my eyes ,we have no manager so who decided to sign Gardner ? Will the new boss even want that type of player ? Hardly a list of clubs beating the door down to get him , if we are signing this type of quality player we might aswell of kept Ridgewell . Peace needs to stay out of the football sude of things and concentrate on the business side of things . Rant over
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Post by: baggie38 on May 26, 2014, 01:44:30 PM
Another yes man to work with sweet FA then ,because that's all he'll get from this board ,no vision ,ambition or connection with the fans , they have lost the plot in my eyes ,we have no manager so who decided to sign Gardner ? Will the new boss even want that type of player ? Hardly a list of clubs beating the door down to get him , if we are signing this type of quality player we might aswell of kept Ridgewell . Peace needs to stay out of the football sude of things and concentrate on the business side of things . Rant over

But Ridgewell and Gardner play in different positions. If you were referring to Creswell and Ridgewell for me personally Creswell is ten times the player Ridgwell is.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Rheneas on May 26, 2014, 01:46:26 PM
Couple of points on Clarke and whoever we appoint.

Firstly Clarke good bad or indifferent? My view was that until we hit the post Christmas slump in his first season good but critically he seemed incapable of delivering an effective solution to the downturn in form. Exactly what was the root cause of the problem I'm not sure but no doubt some of the players' form dipped and never really recovered.

Regardless of the coach our squad will never be good enough to go through a whole season without going through a bit of a sticky patch. It was this down turn that did for Clarke and DiMatteo. It is how coaches respond to adversity and how they coax, grind or drag the necessary improvement and results from the team that really makes a difference.

From this perspective there is probably no substitute for experience which counts against someone like Paul Clement. No one can criticise him because of the style of football that he is likely to adopt because we don't know what it will be. Personally I am perplexed as to why someone would take his appointment so badly as not to renew their season ticket there might be better candidates but I am also sure there are worse.

I won't criticise anyone for going or not going to a game of football we all have our own views and personal priorities.

You say it better than I can.

I love the IDEA of a coach like Clement coming in, but when all's said and done I'd be more reassured by having a coach in who's presided over getting clubs through sticky patches, knows what it's like to get discipline in a dressing room etc, and someone who can argue their corner should there be a difference of opinion with the Board. I think that can only come with experience.
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Post by: ahandpatsy on May 26, 2014, 04:04:04 PM
Paul Clement on talksport this evening Adrian Durham show
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Post by: lewisant on May 26, 2014, 04:27:30 PM
The fact we have Burton In as director if football and an experienced head could help level out the inexperience of Clement as a number 1. Some guy above posted slating the fact we're signing people etc but it's not down to the head coach to bring people in. All our departments need to work in harmony but we don't have to wait for a head coach till we sign people
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 26, 2014, 05:08:27 PM
What exciting brand of football was that, the one where we had third lowest average possession and struggled to score?


We scored 70 goals across his reign - not bad really is it?
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Post by: zac on May 26, 2014, 05:18:27 PM
Listening to him on Talksport just, i think he seems quite settled where he is and in no real rush to leave Madrid. Although he did state it was something he wanted to do in the future as long as its the right club at the right time.

Interesting!
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 26, 2014, 05:21:14 PM
Listening to him on Talksport just, i think he seems quite settled where he is and in no real rush to leave Madrid. Although he did state it was something he wanted to do in the future as long as its the right club at the right time.

Interesting!

Did Durham mention us?
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Post by: up_the_baggies on May 26, 2014, 05:23:46 PM
Listening to him on Talksport just, i think he seems quite settled where he is and in no real rush to leave Madrid. Although he did state it was something he wanted to do in the future as long as its the right club at the right time.

Interesting!

Have to say, I almost fell asleep in that interview.

Basically, it was an interview where nothing was said. I wonder if we've been in contact with him, there's been next to no conclusive coverage from the local media - looks like the club is playing its cards very close to its chest.
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Post by: overseas baggie on May 26, 2014, 05:35:18 PM
There is no substitute for experience when times get tough. Lack of it was the biggest problem for both RDM and Clarke. They had nobody to turn do and no matter how impressive their CVs as number 2s at big clubs, we are an entirely different animal.

If we ever go down the route again of appointing somebody like Clement, then in my view it is essential that we also appoint someone who can work with them who has been there, seen it and done it.  Someone like Curbishley for example is the first name to spring to mind.



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Post by: zac on May 26, 2014, 05:38:02 PM
Did Durham mention us?

Only to talk generally about him moving into management. The person interviewing him mentioned something along the lines of theres a few jobs going around such as West Bromwich Albion but didn't really expand into whether he was specifically interested in the job.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: cuckfield1704 on May 26, 2014, 05:43:55 PM
Of course we have to sign players now. We have just released eleven players ten of whom played in the first team last season, the players report back in five weeks time and our first pre-season game is six/seven weeks away.
The new head coach will have to work with what is here and there will no doubt still be time after the appointment to add a few more but time cannot stand still until an appointment is made.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: royhan on May 26, 2014, 06:15:34 PM
Clement is now odds on with all bookies on Oddschecker. Are the bookies putting 2 and 2 together and making 5!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: RogerBadoo on May 26, 2014, 06:25:44 PM
All this talk of Paul Clement and we're missing the chance to appoint a top-class coach who's currently out of work in Spain. His supporters love him, he'll plays attacking pressing football and has managed a number of clubs Albion size successfully including taking one into the Europa cup. Oh hang on - sorry forgot we just sacked him. Haven't seen a single candidate yet that would be in front of Pepe Mel in my opinion...

Come on Albion use some imagination, surprise us, bring somebody in that will really excite us (and I really don't mean David Moyes......)

Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lonions on May 26, 2014, 06:34:44 PM
Chris Lepkowski ?@chrislepkowski
Paul Clement is unlikely to be considered as #wba boss at this stage of the club's search.
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Post by: koren on May 26, 2014, 06:42:11 PM
We are desperate to have a experienced manager to fill in our head coach role in order to shake up the team.I think it would be much better to have a experienced manager to handle such big change.I'm really not prefer a "Steve Clarke type " appointment,who  has no managerial  experience before,especially after such a mess last season.
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 26, 2014, 06:43:46 PM
Did Durham mention us?


Indeed he did and in typical Durham fashion he said why would he leave a secure job to join a club with an unsecure job
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Post by: Rheneas on May 26, 2014, 06:44:10 PM
Clement is now odds on with all bookies on Oddschecker. Are the bookies putting 2 and 2 together and making 5!

I saw that too. Really by this stage of the game the bookies are proving that they know Jacques Merde.

Lennon's odds tumbled when he resigned at Celtic.

Then when Clement was on telly on Saturday night they cut his odds.

At this rate if me and- say-  10 mates all had fifty quid with one bookie on a given manager, his odds would tumble and the rest would follow suit.

Makes me wonder whether a few out of work managers have actually tried this, in the hope that a desperate chairman somewhere might have his head turned...
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Post by: VANDERLEI on May 26, 2014, 06:44:38 PM
I'm convinced it's going to be Mackay. I think it would have been last time if there wasn't the issue between him and Cardiff.
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 26, 2014, 06:46:17 PM
Martin Jol for me is the only realistic choice with the experience that everyone will accept
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 26, 2014, 06:48:11 PM
I'm convinced it's going to be Mackay. I think it would have been last time if there wasn't the issue between him and Cardiff.


Probably the hoofiest of them all
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Post by: tuamigos on May 26, 2014, 07:04:47 PM
Martin Jol for me is the only realistic choice with the experience that everyone will accept

I'd like to see Jol or Moyes, but unfortunately we'll have to accept whoever is put in-front of us
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Post by: royhan on May 26, 2014, 07:04:59 PM
Chris Lepkowski ?@chrislepkowski
Paul Clement is unlikely to be considered as #wba boss at this stage of the club's search.
I can now discount one of my fancied 'runners'.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: smethwickw on May 26, 2014, 07:08:53 PM
Chris Lepkowski ?@chrislepkowski
Paul Clement is unlikely to be considered as #wba boss at this stage of the club's search.

Until the other 7 turn us down at least! ;D
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 26, 2014, 07:13:35 PM
I'd like Moyes in an ideal world - well, after Pepe that is.

But you know what - I think I'd be happy with Jol right now.

And quickly. Because some of the dreadful names I'm hearing is making me cold to the marrow.
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Post by: lewisant on May 26, 2014, 07:36:25 PM
What I'd like is an experienced manager who has experience in this kind of structure. For that reason, I'd love it to be mcClaren or Jol. I guess Jol is more likely as he's out of employment.
Mint wresting that CL has written clement off.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lonions on May 26, 2014, 07:41:56 PM
Apparently the Dave Jones, Steve ROund and Paul Clement werent in the remaining seven (Told by someone ITK) Makes me wonder who actually is in the seven!
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Post by: lewisant on May 26, 2014, 08:02:24 PM
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Post by: lewisant on May 26, 2014, 08:10:01 PM
Apparently the Dave Jones, Steve ROund and Paul Clement werent in the remaining seven (Told by someone ITK) Makes me wonder who actually is in the seven!

We could try naming the 7 for funsies!

Moyes
McClaren
Jol
Sherwood
Mackay
Hughton
Garcia
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 26, 2014, 08:18:04 PM
We could try naming the 7 for funsies!

Moyes
McClaren
Jol
Sherwood
Mackay
Hughton
Garcia

Or more likely
Clement
Downing
Jones
Hughton
Downing
er, Downing
Ummm.... Hughton?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: j2burnz on May 26, 2014, 08:18:27 PM
Can't get my head around Jol, he did a terrible job at Fulham and eventually left a quality Tottenham side at the bottom of the league. Nice guy but no thanks from me. I'd personally prefer McInnes on the realistic list or get the boat pushed out for Dyche but I highly doubt that!!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 26, 2014, 08:23:09 PM
Can't get my head around Jol, he did a terrible job at Fulham and eventually left a quality Tottenham side at the bottom of the league. Nice guy but no thanks from me. I'd personally prefer McInnes on the realistic list or get the boat pushed out for Dyche but I highly doubt that!!

Oddly I'm not a massive fan of Jol but I'm starting to think go for him because of how I suspect next season's squad will be set up. We aren't going to have a Tottenham style line up for starters and that's why I think he will work.

Chicken or egg though - I think manager needs to be in before new squad, so how long are we looking at??
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Dan on May 26, 2014, 08:38:17 PM
Can't get my head around Jol, he did a terrible job at Fulham and eventually left a quality Tottenham side at the bottom of the league. Nice guy but no thanks from me. I'd personally prefer McInnes on the realistic list or get the boat pushed out for Dyche but I highly doubt that!!

That was Juande Ramos who left Spurs in the relegation zone, the Spurs fans were actually quite annoyed when he left if I remember rightly.

Jol's record as a manager is excellent, the start of his season with Fulham is the only time he's really done badly. People just have impossibly high expectations where seemingly they expect us to get an experienced manager who plays great football and has never failed.

I don't think we'll get Jol anyway, but he's definitely one of the best names available to a club of our size.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: charliemike on May 26, 2014, 08:47:06 PM
Good managers can really make a difference we know , but the dross from some of our players has made me glad we have had a clear out .
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Baggie79 on May 26, 2014, 08:47:23 PM
I'm convinced it's going to be Mackay. I think it would have been last time if there wasn't the issue between him and Cardiff.

I was in the directors box and Malky happened to be in their as a guest of the club whilst watching future opponents and believe me he is highly rated by Peace and Co due to what we all heard. Would not surprise me at all tbf if he was appointed.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: A5HB on May 26, 2014, 08:57:18 PM
I was in the directors box and Malky happened to be in their as a guest of the club whilst watching future opponents and believe me he is highly rated by Peace and Co due to what we all heard. Would not surprise me at all tbf if he was appointed.
If he was in the Halfords Directors box/Chairmans suite then I'd say that is a fair indication of how they see him given most opposition or visiting managers come in the Richardson Suite and sit in the East Stand
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 26, 2014, 09:06:06 PM
Oh well he will fit in with the current hoofers who didn't want to play football for Mel
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Baggie79 on May 26, 2014, 09:07:54 PM
If he was in the Halfords Directors box/Chairmans suite then I'd say that is a fair indication of how they see him given most opposition or visiting managers come in the Richardson Suite and sit in the East Stand

I dont know if they were trying to impress him but it was the same day that the model of the new Halfords upgrade was displayed in the box.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Adder on May 26, 2014, 09:12:56 PM
There's certainly a cloud over Malky's infamous departure from Cardiff.

I was amazed when Malky and Moody issued apologies 'to the club and especially to Vincent Tan' a couple of weeks ago.
In an interview last week Tan said "They should ask why he apologises? They should find out from him.
"Legally, I'm not supposed to say. I wish I could say. but I can't. Ask him why he apologises.

There's certainly something gone on there and it's clear it wasn't totally a case of Tan falling out with Malky over normal day to day matters. 


Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 26, 2014, 09:21:09 PM
There's certainly a cloud over Malky's infamous departure from Cardiff.

I was amazed when Malky and Moody issued apologies 'to the club and especially to Vincent Tan' a couple of weeks ago.
In an interview last week Tan said "They should ask why he apologises? They should find out from him.
"Legally, I'm not supposed to say. I wish I could say. but I can't. Ask him why he apologises.

There's certainly something gone on there and it's clear it wasn't totally a case of Tan falling out with Malky over normal day to day matters.

Can't really hold with that, no disrespect to you at all my man.... but Tan is an out and out nutter.

Phew. Suddenly JP seems utterly kissable....
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Adder on May 26, 2014, 09:26:34 PM
Can't really hold with that, no disrespect to you at all my man.... but Tan is an out and out nutter.

Phew. Suddenly JP seems utterly kissable....
All I've stated is fact - Tan may be a nutter BUT Malky and Moody did issue those apologies and Tan made the comment that I've mentioned.
Here's the interview - Tan again comes across as a semi nutter but why would Malky make a public apology if he's done nothing wrong ?

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/watch-vincent-tan-launches-stunning-7103377

Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 26, 2014, 09:48:38 PM
All I've stated is fact - Tan may be a nutter BUT Malky and Moody did issue those apologies and Tan made the comment that I've mentioned.
Here's the interview - Tan again comes across as a semi nutter but why would Malky make a public apology if he's done nothing wrong ?

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/watch-vincent-tan-launches-stunning-7103377

Cheers, Adder - since read the article.... interesting and hard to take sides. Even like what Tan says here - even if he is in red!! I can see him smarting having put in money and it still turns to rat-s#1T. Surprisingly good interview.
Still, I DO like the concept of semi-nutter!!
I DO however like the
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on May 26, 2014, 10:17:26 PM
I don't know anything about Mackay really. Other than I Cardiff done really well when getting promoted and a lot of people on here don't want him. A lot of people on here also have some funny ideas and conceptions on football/wba so I'd give the man a chance. Peace is where he is because he's good at it, so if he thinks highly of him then there's a good reason and it's a good reason to back him
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Standaman on May 26, 2014, 10:40:05 PM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: spencer Baggie on May 26, 2014, 10:44:19 PM
Mackay would bring a terrible brand of football.

Reckon it was bad under Clarke? Add in an element of Pulis at Stoke and you'd be thinking along the right lines. The gates would start to dwindle.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 26, 2014, 11:06:44 PM
I will be as devastated as I was when Clarke got the job if Malky gets it   
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: wbako on May 26, 2014, 11:12:43 PM
This thread is comedy gold.

Steve Clarke - who delivered our most successful season in a generation - is being spoken of as if we were playing Pulis anti-football during his tenure.

Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: tuamigos on May 27, 2014, 07:39:05 AM
This thread is comedy gold.

Steve Clarke - who delivered our most successful season in a generation - is being spoken of as if we were playing Pulis anti-football during his tenure.

The fact that Steve Clarke was coach when we finished 8th looks good on paper and that's what will be in the records for ever more.
That fact alone hides a multitude of sins.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Albertbaggie on May 27, 2014, 07:39:56 AM
Right now, I couldn't give a monkeys about the style of play.
I  want solid foundations and some home wins.  I leave the ground happy when we win, regardless of whether it's 1-0 or 5-0. Under Mel, we had some really  entertaining games but I left utterly **** off when drawing 3-3 with Cardiff and Spurs.
In a perfect world we'd play attractive football and win lots of games - this is the Premiership though.
I'd love to see great football but we need to get ourselves organised first. We have gone backwards as a team over the last 12 months. We need to get back to being solid.
For me, someone like MacKay would at least instil some discipline at the club and Downing/Kiely/the players wouldn't walk all over him - that would be my fear with an inexperienced manager like Clement
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: desertbaggie on May 27, 2014, 09:30:12 AM
Malky was the pundit for the Champ play off on Al Jazeera in the middle east at the weekend.

Offered very little insight in to the game at the start, half time or the end. He assumed QPR would win comfortably and that Derby had done well to get there mainly because of McLaren. Peter Reid was the other pundit and made him sound as though he was a bad Sunday league manager!

I haven't seen much of Cardiff to be fair but if Malky's attempt at being a pundit is anything to go by be very afraid that he will be appointed.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 27, 2014, 09:45:56 AM
Further Developments today on the Head Coach front
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: bry on May 27, 2014, 09:56:38 AM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ronny boy on May 27, 2014, 10:22:57 AM
So in various media articles over the last 2 weeks we've distanced ourselves from Hughton, Lennon and now Clement.

Thats slightly encouraging although it still leaves Mackay and Downing in the running. My problem with these 2 is that currently, at best, they are championship managers. Until they prove themselves able candidates they cant be given the job of kicking us on next season.

At this moment in time we need a coach with experience and nous in the premiership. I'd be happy with any one of Moyes, Jol, McClaren or even Ranieri. We just need to convince one of them to take it on.


Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 27, 2014, 12:47:42 PM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on May 27, 2014, 12:57:36 PM
The thing I don't get about this, is that fans can easily see something, for example how X shouldn't be in line to be Albion manager because they only have a history of hoofball and simply aren't of a standard for a club wishing to be consistantly Prem level. Yet those involved with the club, or any club for that matter, people who live football and have nothing to do but be absorbed by football cannot see that very same point.

Is it because it's harder to disregard an option once you've met that guy and got on and "he's alright really"?

I know the people in the offices at the Albion are just people and as so will make mistakes. But in faffing over Mel and then getting that wrong (by their accounts, I wanted him to stay), then sacking him without a follow up plan and now seemingly serveying the market in an unfocused way and considering people most fans would warn to stay away from.... I don't know, it just seems that the closer people are to living within the football world, the more they become blind to what is obvious to the fans?

I'd rather a completely unknown option from the continent takes over (but who obviously speakes very good english)..... Claudio the Tinkerman being the most public version of such an option.

Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: PsalmXXIII on May 27, 2014, 01:12:08 PM
The thing I don't get about this, is that fans can easily see something, for example how X shouldn't be in line to be Albion manager because they only have a history of hoofball and simply aren't of a standard for a club wishing to be consistantly Prem level. Yet those involved with the club, or any club for that matter, people who live football and have nothing to do but be absorbed by football cannot see that very same point.

Is it because it's harder to disregard an option once you've met that guy and got on and "he's alright really"?

I know the people in the offices at the Albion are just people and as so will make mistakes. But in faffing over Mel and then getting that wrong (by their accounts, I wanted him to stay), then sacking him without a follow up plan and now seemingly serveying the market in an unfocused way and considering people most fans would warn to stay away from.... I don't know, it just seems that the closer people are to living within the football world, the more they become blind to what is obvious to the fans?

I'd rather a completely unknown option from the continent takes over (but who obviously speakes very good english)..... Claudio the Tinkerman being the most public version of such an option.

I agree with you in parts but must ask what makes you so sure that these unpopular choices are serious candidates? It's all press talk and rumour and nothing concrete. How do you know we've gone about this in an 'unfocused' way? I didn't agree with sacking Mel but the action is decisive, bold and suggests that they're aware that change is needed and I find it hard to believe that sacking him as soon as the season finishes shows focus. This isn't mid season fannying about this is close season rebuilding - see Burtons appointment, Garlick being reassigned. There is absolutely nothing to suggest we are blind and unfocused in our managerial search at all.

I agree some names are worrying, but there's some valid points as to why we are linked with those people. Nothing is concrete but we will only appeal to a certain level of coach - that's why Hodgson was such a coup. And as such we will be linked with any manager of a certain level. We don't poach managers from clubs so we'll be linked to jobless ones and in the grand scheme of things jobless managers are jobless for a reason, meaning they'll worry fans.

The club are being proactive, nobody is certain of the top three candidates just like we don't know who has applied or been short listed or what. Nothing concrete has come from the club so you simply cannot allude to them not caring about fans with their search as you cannot know who's close to getting it.

As much as I liked Mel and thought he was treated badly, I am pleased the club are prepared to act on what they deem 'mistakes' than try and bodge and hide the situation. And in that vein of thought the scariest appointment would be Downing.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Blandy on May 27, 2014, 01:48:56 PM
A small point I know, but "X and Y are not thought to be leading contenders" doesn't actually rule them out. Someone could be fifth choice but if negotiations stall with numbers 1 to 4......
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: mrmojorisin on May 27, 2014, 02:24:04 PM
The thing I don't get about this, is that fans can easily see something, for example how X shouldn't be in line to be Albion manager because they only have a history of hoofball and simply aren't of a standard for a club wishing to be consistantly Prem level. Yet those involved with the club, or any club for that matter, people who live football and have nothing to do but be absorbed by football cannot see that very same point.

I agree with a lot of what you say but, at this stage, we don't know for certain who is being considered by the club, rather than those mooted in the press and by bookies.

But assuming, rather pessimistically, that one of the hoofball merchants is appointed then I think we have to accept (like it or lump it) that the club, unlike us fans, will see things in other dimensions other than just the quality and entertainment value of the football.  They will surely have other considerations to bring to bear in looking for a head coach, such as
- ability to work within the structure as head coach rather than manager
- ability to work with existing, non-playing, personnel
- acceptance of a limited transfer budget
- level of salary and other conditions
- ability to ensure Premiership survival (by whatever means)
- and no doubt a few more.

In short, playing style is only one of the things they will consider.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: kirk on May 27, 2014, 02:29:24 PM
1 week for season ticket deadline..... I want to know who will be in charge before I renew but guess zero percent that is going to happen !!!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Dan on May 27, 2014, 04:29:12 PM
A bit concerning MacKay consistently doesn't get ruled out, it'd seem he's well and truly one of our main candidates. Likewise the fact Downing hasn't had anything ruling him out, I wouldn't be at all surprised if 2 of our final 3 comprised of those two.

Even aside from his horribly negative football he's really proved very little. True he got Cardiff promoted but in the premier he alongside his technical director made some very poor signings, failed to intergrate some of their quality into the squad (Odemwingie completely failed there for example), and their form had well and truly collapsed with only the win against us keeping their heads when we were desperately poor to shout about in his last couple of months there, all the signs were they would get relegated with him.

He has neither the experience we should be after, or the promise and potential of a younger coach or manager. Perhaps more concerning is even with Marshall, Caulker, and Medel playing, their defence was also a shambles, and they struggled to score. If you're going to go for a negative manager, at least go for someone who's actually proven they can keep the club up. Nothing so far suggests Malky MacKay is anything more than the next Aidy Boothroyd or Phil Brown.

Looking at  Cardiff's record this season under him in his 18 games they only scored 13, conceded 28, the best thing you could say is they had 17 points from those 18 games. All this despite spending 30m+ in the summer, along with getting a few players like Caulker and Medel who he would never be able to get here.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 27, 2014, 05:39:32 PM
1 week for season ticket deadline..... I want to know who will be in charge before I renew but guess zero percent that is going to happen !!!


maybe they will extend the deadline.The right appointment will obviously encourage more sales.Have you noticed they have not said how many sold to date in relation to this time last year
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 27, 2014, 05:44:56 PM
A bit concerning MacKay consistently doesn't get ruled out, it'd seem he's well and truly one of our main candidates. Likewise the fact Downing hasn't had anything ruling him out, I wouldn't be at all surprised if 2 of our final 3 comprised of those two.

Even aside from his horribly negative football he's really proved very little. True he got Cardiff promoted but in the premier he alongside his technical director made some very poor signings, failed to intergrate some of their quality into the squad (Odemwingie completely failed there for example), and their form had well and truly collapsed with only the win against us keeping their heads when we were desperately poor to shout about in his last couple of months there, all the signs were they would get relegated with him.

He has neither the experience we should be after, or the promise and potential of a younger coach or manager. Perhaps more concerning is even with Marshall, Caulker, and Medel playing, their defence was also a shambles, and they struggled to score. If you're going to go for a negative manager, at least go for someone who's actually proven they can keep the club up. Nothing so far suggests Malky MacKay is anything more than the next Aidy Boothroyd or Phil Brown.

Looking at  Cardiff's record this season under him in his 18 games they only scored 13, conceded 28, the best thing you could say is they had 17 points from those 18 games. All this despite spending 30m+ in the summer, along with getting a few players like Caulker and Medel who he would never be able to get here.



Terry Burton is a long time admirer of the long ball from his wimbledon days so no doubt he will be championing Malky
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: mrmojorisin on May 27, 2014, 05:52:29 PM


Terry Burton is a long time admirer of the long ball from his wimbledon days so no doubt he will be championing Malky

It is not the long ball that worries me as much as those stark and damning statistics.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 27, 2014, 05:55:06 PM
Just heard Durham say Malky is favourite for the Southampton job.Please let this be true.
Matt Holland also said Clement has turned us down, news to me
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: michaelwh on May 27, 2014, 05:55:55 PM
"Terry Burton is a long time admirer of the long ball from his Wimbledon days" Yes this is true and also is big mates with David Jones who sources say he rates very highly as a manager and person.  Not looking good is for the future if the man who is in control of the "footballing department" makes those sort of football judgements.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 27, 2014, 05:58:19 PM
"Terry Burton is a long time admirer of the long ball from his Wimbledon days" Yes this is true and also is big mates with David Jones who sources say he rates very highly as a manager and person.  Not looking good is for the future if the man who is in control of the "footballing department" makes those sort of football judgements.


I think Dave Jones is more likely to encourage his players to play a better brand of football, so all is not lost :)
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: palmaroy on May 27, 2014, 05:59:25 PM
All I can say is that I would prefer McKay to Downing.At least he has a bit of personality.The thought of Zdowning is causing me a helluva lot of stress at the moment.There is of course Mclaren,Sherwood,Moyes and Jol.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 27, 2014, 06:02:08 PM
Terry Burton is a long time admirer of the long ball from his wimbledon days so no doubt he will be championing Malky

I highly doubt he would have been given such a prominent role at Arsenal if he was championing long ball.

Furthemore, during his time at Cardiff and Sheffield Wednesday with Dave Jones, both of those clubs tried to play good, attractive football. It was only when Burton left Sheffield Wednesday that Dave Jones fell apart.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: royhan on May 27, 2014, 06:02:58 PM
All I can say is that I would prefer McKay to Downing.At least he has a bit of personality.The thought of Zdowning is causing me a helluva lot of stress at the moment.There is of course Mclaren,Sherwood,Moyes and Jol.

It has got to be one of the last four mentioned now that Clement has been ruled out. I wouldn't be against Hoddle or Adkins either.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 27, 2014, 06:06:15 PM
I highly doubt he would have been given such a prominent role at Arsenal if he was championing long ball.

Furthemore, during his time at Cardiff and Sheffield Wednesday with Dave Jones, both of those clubs tried to play good, attractive football. It was only when Burton left Sheffield Wednesday that Dave Jones fell apart.



Dave and Terry an awesome twosome then
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 27, 2014, 06:31:21 PM
With Pochettino having left Southampton to go to Spurs, Southampton could well be interested in people who will be on our shortlist, so it puts some additional pressure on us to get on with appointing someone and not dithering around.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: cads_ap_albion on May 27, 2014, 06:37:11 PM
So, just to clarify spurs get rid of their old manager after us and appoint the replacement before us?
What are the odds that saints appoint before us?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: tuamigos on May 27, 2014, 06:39:28 PM
With Pochettino having left Southampton to go to Spurs, Southampton could well be interested in people who will be on our shortlist, so it puts some additional pressure on us to get on with appointing someone and not dithering around.

Without last seasons  stars to call on I don't think that job is as attractive as last season.
Hopefully Milky gets it
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: royhan on May 27, 2014, 06:39:43 PM
So, just to clarify spurs get rid of their old manager after us and appoint the replacement before us?
What are the odds that saints appoint before us?

1-10! In other words it's a racing certainty.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: east-stand-nick on May 27, 2014, 06:44:33 PM
With Pochettino having left Southampton to go to Spurs, Southampton could well be interested in people who will be on our shortlist, so it puts some additional pressure on us to get on with appointing someone and not dithering around.

Sadly, dithering around is an Albion speciality.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: charlebaggie on May 27, 2014, 06:56:08 PM
To me it points more and more towards Downing
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 27, 2014, 07:02:07 PM
So, just to clarify spurs get rid of their old manager after us and appoint the replacement before us?
What are the odds that saints appoint before us?
.       Because we have to make sure Downing is the right choice
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: palmaroy on May 27, 2014, 07:18:40 PM
It could be Downing because Peace can't ever actually get anybody to say YES(to many restrictions and too low with the wages)
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: BB74 on May 27, 2014, 07:21:21 PM
To me it points more and more towards Downing

I can see it now.

'Keith was the unanimous choice amongst the board from the start of the process. Keith knows the club inside out....blah blah blah'


 
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: michaelwh on May 27, 2014, 07:27:26 PM
Imagine Dave Jones,Terry Burton and Keith Downing what a management trio that would make.WOW I can see Premiership players lining up now to work with them.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 27, 2014, 07:49:09 PM
It's going to be Downing.

Fasten your seat belts, folks. Even though we will be going at 18mph.

Think next season is going to be worse than this one if so.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: royhan on May 27, 2014, 07:50:07 PM
Having digested JP's interview with CL and his subsequent statement I am convinced that he is going to surprise us all. If he was thinking about Downing he would have confirmed his appointment by now.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: VANDERLEI on May 27, 2014, 07:51:23 PM
It won't be Downing, in fact I can see him leaving the club.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Brummie Road on May 27, 2014, 07:52:41 PM
I haven't got a clue who's in the frame, but do think we have to be a bit more open minded in some respects.

Just a general observation, in the majority of professions / employments, we generally learn a hell of a lot more when things haven't gone well than when things go smoothly.

On that basis I wouldn't discount anyone whose last job may not have been as successful as had been hoped. It doesn't automatically make that person a failure and they may be fired up by having a point to prove and / or be wise enough to learn from past experiences.

Personally I hope the person who gets the job genuinely wants the role, rather than someone who has to be persuaded to take it, someone with a real desire to take on the Albion job, maybe a youngish Coach aiming high with Albion being the next stage, or someone whose had a tough time but has real Coaching experience and quality.

For me, I'd favour that over the same old names on the managerial merry go round, and I'd certainly have no issues with someone presently in the Championship, or lower.

If those options were not to hand, I'd have no issues with an internal appointment or a return of an ex employee (not necessarily an ex Coaching employee).

I've also no issue with style of play and believe this "Albion way" theme is a distraction and has no relevance to any Albion fan under the age of 40 (sadly I'm not in that age category, but I want effective football for WBA Fc, anything else is a bonus).

Just a few random thoughts on the subject.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: smosher34 on May 27, 2014, 07:59:10 PM
if its downing we will go down !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! cant see it at all . we need a new man and number 2 to freshen it up
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: gerry m on May 27, 2014, 08:06:12 PM
I cant see it being Keith Downing! He didnt get the job when Steve Clarke got the boot he wont get it now.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: overseas baggie on May 27, 2014, 08:30:30 PM
Jol, Adkins, McLaren or Hoddle.  I am convinced it will be from among that group of four.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: MICKYMEL on May 27, 2014, 08:32:46 PM
 I am not sure who it will end up being, but it will not be Downing. He doesnt want it. He could have had it last time but didnt.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: nogin on May 27, 2014, 08:36:31 PM
Why oh why are we so slow at appointing any one or buying players linked with any one who is no one or has bee one !!! If they knew they were going to sack Pep then they should have had his replacement in mind and in place already . What happens next if the new manager don't like the players we sign before they are appointed? We are the the tail wagging the dog.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Dan on May 27, 2014, 08:45:53 PM
It won't be Downing, in fact I can see him leaving the club.

I doubt he'd be first choice but if we got rejected by a few people then he'd probably get the job this time. Looking down the odd's list there's really not many realistic options available to us who you'd think the club place above him.

Still think the signs point to MacKay though, in which case it'll be another season wondering why on earth we got rid of Clarke in the first place.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Prokhorych on May 27, 2014, 08:51:22 PM
Is there any chance of Di Matteo being offered it again? There was talk of him last time, but I heard it said he would have lost compensation from Chelsea if he'd taken it then
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on May 27, 2014, 08:51:42 PM
I see the early Saints favourite is ex Basel manager Murat Yakin - he's got a good record. Out of our reach?!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: overseas baggie on May 27, 2014, 09:14:55 PM
Is there any chance of Di Matteo being offered it again? There was talk of him last time, but I heard it said he would have lost compensation from Chelsea if he'd taken it then

Never go back....why would he be any better than last time around?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 27, 2014, 09:22:10 PM
I doubt he'd be first choice but if we got rejected by a few people then he'd probably get the job this time. Looking down the odd's list there's really not many realistic options available to us who you'd think the club place above him.

Still think the signs point to MacKay though, in which case it'll be another season wondering why on earth we got rid of Clarke in the first place.
.     The club made a mistake in the first place appointing Clarke and an even bigger one not sacking him at the end of last season . Malky will be just as disastrous
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: spencer Baggie on May 27, 2014, 09:34:24 PM
I suggested Adkins at the start. It's who I'm sticking with.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: DownInAlbion on May 27, 2014, 09:48:20 PM
.     The club made a mistake in the first place appointing Clarke and an even bigger one not sacking him at the end of last season . Malky will be just as disastrous

So after leading us to our highest premiership finish ever he should be sacked?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: leeiswba on May 27, 2014, 09:52:04 PM
So after leading us to our highest premiership finish ever he should be sacked?

Yes, also didn't you know that Mel who lets be honest hardly did anything is the messiah.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: mb1 on May 27, 2014, 09:52:32 PM
Nobody has ruled Moyes out yet. Pleeeeeeaaassssseeeee let it be!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: overseas baggie on May 27, 2014, 10:01:02 PM
I suggested Adkins at the start. It's who I'm sticking with.

Adkins would be a very good fit.  Was very unfortunate to lose his job at Saints. Plays decent football, has good Premiership experience . Doesn't seem to have an ego and is likely to welcome another shot in the Premiership.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: BB74 on May 27, 2014, 10:09:12 PM
Is there any chance of Di Matteo being offered it again? There was talk of him last time, but I heard it said he would have lost compensation from Chelsea if he'd taken it then

Doubt it was anything to do with compensation. More like the fact that our board know what he is and he is a lazy Head Coach.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: royhan on May 27, 2014, 10:12:18 PM
I've just checked the latest odds on Oddschecker and the top six are Clement, Mackay, Lennon, Jones, Hughton and Downing. Frankly, I will be very surprised if any of these will get the nod. The bookies will be laughing all the way to the bank! My advice to Albion fans: keep your money in your pocket.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 27, 2014, 10:28:58 PM
"Pochettino has taken his entire back-room staff to White Hart Lane with Jesus Perez (assistant head coach), Miguel D'Agostino (first team coach) and Toni Jimenez (goalkeeping coach) all following him to north London"

Source: Sky Sports (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11675/9328272)

We can only hope that we don't compromise our chances of getting the best head coach by not giving him the opportunity to do the same, should he wish to.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: bry on May 27, 2014, 11:06:16 PM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Dan on May 27, 2014, 11:12:06 PM
Seemingly Downing will be interviewed and given Peace is a big fan I'd imagine McInnes will be close to the top contenders. Beyond those two though its hard to see any clear candidates so i'd expect a couple of suprise names in that top 3 or 4. Petrescu and Hyypia are both available, speak good English, and have good records, albeit only abroad.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 27, 2014, 11:13:57 PM
What a shower of names we have been looking at.

If it's McDermatitis or or We're Going Downing I'll get my coat now.

Seriously, Peace made a grand speech at the start of this week. He really, really needs to put his money where his PR mouth is - otherwise we are going nowhere as a club until he's gone.

I think Peace has been fantastic for us. But unless he can see things differently we are in a proper cul de sac from now on.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: royhan on May 27, 2014, 11:14:55 PM
I am convinced Bill Howell is on a big commission if Downing gets the job as he seems to sing his praises at every opportunity. Bill, I am sorry to tell you that you are wasting your time. Downing has got no chance.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: alex1 on May 27, 2014, 11:21:03 PM
Bit of a long shot, but I'd love to see Frank de Boer approached. Won the Dutch league at Ajax 4 times, plays attacking passing football, used to working with the youth rather than demanding expensive signings, and was ready to go to Spurs. Otherwise, Ronald Koeman, who finished second at Feyenoord and was interested in the Villa job some years ago, is also free.
I assume Michael Laudrup has been ruled out, but I was very impressed with the football he developed at Swansea.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: bangkokbaggie on May 27, 2014, 11:36:25 PM
With Pochettino having left Southampton to go to Spurs, Southampton could well be interested in people who will be on our shortlist, so it puts some additional pressure on us to get on with appointing someone and not dithering around.

Yes this dithering around and due diligence is annoying and frustrating when you see other clubs appointing new managers/coaches more quickly. The process can hardly claim to be successful with previous coaches not lasting long and in RH's case it was an opportunist situation. The delay will also have a knock-on effect on player recruitment.

If a new appointment is not made by next week at the latest I will be very disappointed.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Standaman on May 28, 2014, 12:44:05 AM
Right now there is no one to Coach, I cannot see what difference a week here or there makes. Equally as rapidly as one potential candidate that seems to giving fans nightmares is discounted another bogeyman emerges from the shadows to terrify the fans. If its' not Hughton it must be Downing or McDermott. Well it might be but equally it might not be. It seems we must have a bogeyman.

The fact that we have not completely ruled out paying compensation might open the door to McClaren or Howe or McInnes or Rosler. Sorry if any of those names frighten any of you who might be of a nervous disposition but the fact they a managing in the Championship or SPL means they are not being paid a fortune so therefore compensation is less of an issue. Of course that would make them the cheap option and therefore wholly unsuitable for such a prestigious appointment.


Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: robnewbold on May 28, 2014, 03:20:19 AM
Seems as usual we are hanging back and procrastinating whilst other clubs just get on with appointments. Eventually all that will be left will be a choice between Downing or Downing, perhaps that is the plan.

Excited and spurred on by the immediate aftermath of Pepes unfortunate demise, the hiring of Terry B and the culling of deadwood....but after Mr Ps, " its all my fault" speech expected some decisive action, all seems to have gone quiet again.

We seem to be adept at being invisible at time, almost encouraging the perception of our nonentity status that the gutter press believes and thrives off.

Hopefully there is a plan, a chosen candidate already lined up, hence the lack no activity,,if so, why dont we just get on with it, wonder how much due diligence time Spurs needed?

Every close season we seem to retreat into obscurity, are the last to announce sponsorships, ( even forced to play without any ), the last to officially unveil our strips, and seem very slow in the transfer market.

Am i being fair or just succumbing to the affects of the so called journalists who seem to hype everyone else in the league ( new love in with QPR already at puke level) except us ( and now of course new targets,  Burnley)
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 28, 2014, 06:34:29 AM
I think Mr Burton's first task will be to send Messrs Downing & Keily on their way, clearing the decks for the new Head Coach and his entourage. Thus taking the direct task away from JP and leaving his hands clean. We can but hope !
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggie96 on May 28, 2014, 06:58:01 AM
Moyes, mclaren, qique flores and downing are the final 4.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on May 28, 2014, 07:24:56 AM
Moyes, mclaren, qique flores and downing are the final 4.

100% or just an opinion? Shame Downing is there!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: tuamigos on May 28, 2014, 07:32:04 AM
Moyes, mclaren, qique flores and downing are the final 4.

Cant see McClaren being there no news of an aproach from Derby side
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggie96 on May 28, 2014, 07:38:04 AM
Cant see McClaren being there no news of an aproach from Derby side

I'd imagine we're just talking to agents at the moment anyway. However I think moyes has the job in the bag. We need moyes to being in one coach, he'll want to bring in two. I'm sure well compromise for him.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on May 28, 2014, 07:39:34 AM
Cant see McClaren being there no news of an aproach from Derby side

I guess with the finalising of the 3/4 we'll talk to managers next week. Burton will be involved then also
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: blue on May 28, 2014, 07:44:55 AM
Moyes, Mclaren, Flores,     Downing.


Spot the odd one out.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 28, 2014, 08:15:54 AM
Will we see any white smoke this week
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Chipperfan on May 28, 2014, 08:17:02 AM
Moyes, Mclaren, Flores,     Downing.


Spot the odd one out.

Not clear where this list of names has sprung from. Is there any basis in fact or is it just speculation?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 28, 2014, 08:20:34 AM
Interesting to see that Ronald Koeman has been made the early bookies favourite for the Southampton job, but he hasn't really been mentioned as far as our vacancy is concerned. I guess that's a reflection of Southampton running with a bigger budget than us.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Standaman on May 28, 2014, 08:33:43 AM
Not clear where this list of names has sprung from. Is there any basis in fact or is it just speculation?

Nothing reported on any reputable media source at this stage they are four names that have not been ruled out. Here are another 4 Rosler Klinsmann Curbishley Mendilibar. You will note that it has the bogeyman a Spaniard (all short lists must have a Spainiard) a manager currently employed in the Championship and one that is ever so slightly unrealistic. In other words your guess is as good as mine.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: albionlincs on May 28, 2014, 08:42:47 AM
Anyone cosidered Van Basten.

DOing a good job at Herenveen and quite experienced as a coa h now and if anyone can get forwards scoring goals ......
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: AidantheBaggies on May 28, 2014, 08:43:56 AM
Will we see any white smoke this week

No, it will be next week probably towards the end of the week.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 28, 2014, 08:44:35 AM
No, it will be next week probably towards the end of the week.




After season ticket deadline then :)
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on May 28, 2014, 08:51:39 AM
If it does end up being Downing then the club might want to explain why an article on the clubs official website states that Downing would remain in his current role.

http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/albion-part-company-with-pepe-mel-1547742.aspx

Hoping it won't come to this though.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: tuamigos on May 28, 2014, 08:54:33 AM



After season ticket deadline then :)

Diod you ever doubt it?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Chipperfan on May 28, 2014, 08:54:49 AM
Nothing reported on any reputable media source at this stage they are four names that have not been ruled out. Here are another 4 Rosler Klinsmann Curbishley Mendilibar. You will note that it has the bogeyman a Spaniard (all short lists must have a Spainiard) a manager currently employed in the Championship and one that is ever so slightly unrealistic. In other words your guess is as good as mine.

Pretty much as I thought. Speculation.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: PsalmXXIII on May 28, 2014, 09:02:38 AM
If it does end up being Downing then the club might want to explain why an article on the clubs official website states that Downing would remain in his current role.

http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/albion-part-company-with-pepe-mel-1547742.aspx

Hoping it won't come to this though.

Could mean current role as pseudo head coach...
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 28, 2014, 09:19:33 AM
if it was a final 3 of Flores, Moyes and McLaren i would be happy with this.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 28, 2014, 09:22:49 AM
if it was a final 3 of Flores, Moyes and McLaren i would be happy with this.


Count me in with your happy brigade
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Astle1968 on May 28, 2014, 09:48:31 AM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 28, 2014, 10:07:46 AM
Apologies if this has already been asked but here is a question for all those that think it will be Downing. Why are you so sure he actually wants the job?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: mrmojorisin on May 28, 2014, 10:22:49 AM
 ;D
I see the early Saints favourite is ex Basel manager Murat Yakin - he's got a good record. Out of our reach?!
I doubt this is likely as I understand he doesn't speak English.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 28, 2014, 10:24:48 AM
The way its going we will have no footballers left who support Downing
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: swad35 on May 28, 2014, 11:20:19 AM
Purely my opinion on this however, the club had a number of applications for the role, you would like think that the final 4 are people who have shown an interest in the club.

Peace has spoken (I think) about a quality coach/manager signing.

I think it will be Moyes. He is a big name that hasn't been ruled out. There was rumours that he was talking to us or at least his agent was.

He hasn't been linked (strongly) with the other clubs available including Celtic which would be the obvious choice.

The club will be seen as an ideal fit for him (eg RH factor). Location is another factor close to his home base.

Any money saved on compensation would go into his wages and I reckon Peace would bend over backwards to right the wrongs of last season.

I think it's him. Just feel it in my bones.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 28, 2014, 11:25:40 AM
Purely my opinion on this however, the club had a number of applications for the role, you would like think that the final 4 are people who have shown an interest in the club.

Peace has spoken (I think) about a quality coach/manager signing.

I think it will be Moyes. He is a big name that hasn't been ruled out. There was rumours that he was talking to us or at least his agent was.

He hasn't been linked (strongly) with the other clubs available including Celtic which would be the obvious choice.

The club will be seen as an ideal fit for him (eg RH factor). Location is another factor close to his home base.

Any money saved on compensation would go into his wages and I reckon Peace would bend over backwards to right the wrongs of last season.

I think it's him. Just feel it in my bones.



Moyes is fine with his terms offered, its all down to budgets etc
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: seteefeet on May 28, 2014, 11:32:39 AM
Purely my opinion on this however, the club had a number of applications for the role, you would like think that the final 4 are people who have shown an interest in the club.

Peace has spoken (I think) about a quality coach/manager signing.

I think it will be Moyes. He is a big name that hasn't been ruled out. There was rumours that he was talking to us or at least his agent was.

He hasn't been linked (strongly) with the other clubs available including Celtic which would be the obvious choice.

The club will be seen as an ideal fit for him (eg RH factor). Location is another factor close to his home base.

Any money saved on compensation would go into his wages and I reckon Peace would bend over backwards to right the wrongs of last season.

I think it's him. Just feel it in my bones.
I hope your bones are right, but begs the question, if Moyes is genuinely in the frame why is it taking so long? Not saying he should be a shoe in and we need to show due diligence etc. but think we would have tied him up by now. Didn't we act pretty sharpish with Roy?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggie96 on May 28, 2014, 11:36:21 AM
Moyes due for talks over next few days, happy with wages and length of contract. He wants to know about our plan and if he will be able to have a say in the signings we will be making to shape the squad. Also he will be bringing in two coaches.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Astle1968 on May 28, 2014, 11:37:40 AM
Moyes will also be seeing what else is available in the market, both in the UK and abroad. He's not going to sign a 3 year deal with us only for Spurs to decide they want him a week later.

With Pardew and Allerdyce both staying, Pochettino going to Spurs and no obvious jobs for him abroad (he has previously spoken about working in Germany at some point in his career) that leaves us and Southampton as things stand. I would expect things to slowly gather pace over the next couple of weeks as I can't see him being high up Southamptons wish list and we become his only option.

Not 100% but still maintain everything points towards him being our next manager.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: tuamigos on May 28, 2014, 11:48:58 AM
Moyes due for talks over next few days, happy with wages and length of contract. He wants to know about our plan and if he will be able to have a say in the signings we will be making to shape the squad. Also he will be bringing in two coaches.

Mind me asking?
Where did you get that information?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggie96 on May 28, 2014, 11:52:59 AM
Mind me asking?
Where did you get that information?

Friend just text me, might be rubbish. Seems to fit in though
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 28, 2014, 12:01:41 PM
I can also confirm Moyes will be having discussions with us and is fine with his own personal package being offered, don't ask me who i got it from because i cant say, a source very close.
Still a long way off but encouraging non the less
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: PsalmXXIII on May 28, 2014, 12:13:02 PM
I can also confirm Moyes will be having discussions with us and is fine with his own personal package being offered, don't ask me who i got it from because i cant say, a source very close.
Still a long way off but encouraging non the less

What did JP have when you were chattingn over that curry then?   ;)
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Legend on May 28, 2014, 12:13:35 PM
Moyes would be a Hodgson like appointment, we would have a safe pair of hands at our club again.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: bry on May 28, 2014, 12:20:10 PM
Moyes due for talks over next few days, happy with wages and length of contract. He wants to know about our plan and if he will be able to have a say in the signings we will be making to shape the squad. Also he will be bringing in two coaches.
Please Mr Peace give Moyes what he wants.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: wbarich on May 28, 2014, 12:21:06 PM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 28, 2014, 12:25:35 PM
If we did manage to get Moyes i think we would all be satisfied.Am i correct?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: bry on May 28, 2014, 12:27:02 PM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: VANDERLEI on May 28, 2014, 12:29:56 PM
Moyes due for talks over next few days, happy with wages and length of contract. He wants to know about our plan and if he will be able to have a say in the signings we will be making to shape the squad. Also he will be bringing in two coaches.

Seriously, you are just making this stuff up. Why bother?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Chipperfan on May 28, 2014, 12:30:11 PM
If we did manage to get Moyes i think we would all be satisfied.Am i correct?

Despite my dismay at Pepe's demise, I would see Moyes as an excellent appointment. Of course, you never can tell what's going to happen, but he would seem to be e good prospect and a bit of a coup.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 28, 2014, 12:35:34 PM
Seriously, you are just making this stuff up. Why bother?


He bothers because seriously he is not making this up
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: VANDERLEI on May 28, 2014, 12:39:30 PM

He bothers because seriously he is not making this up

Well if that's the case then I take it back, I just can't see Moyes being interested in us. If he is then I will be over the moon.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on May 28, 2014, 12:44:28 PM
Well I for one would be very happy!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: overseas baggie on May 28, 2014, 12:49:39 PM
Strangely, I can see why Moyes would be interested in us.  He wants to rebuild his reputation and after his big pay-off, money isn't everything to him.  He is aware of what it did for Roy Hodgson's career, so I can see all that.

What I don't see though is why JP would be so keen on Moyes, as it surely means a complete dismantling of the Head Coach structure to accommodate Moyes.   I realise that Roy accepted it, but he was well into his 60s and was perhaps more willing to accept it.

I think JP will have to commit to the club undertaking a major sea-change in strategy to land Moyes.  After his recent statement, maybe that is indeed in the pipeline?

Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Albionic on May 28, 2014, 12:54:07 PM
surely the situation is simply,
recruitment / selling / contracts is in Garlicks remit so business as usual
Coaching is in Burtons remit, so shortlisted applicants can be interviewed when he's (TB) on-board. (Jun 1st??)

Personally I would like short list to be Koemans / Moyes / Dyche.

Koemans because of his pedigree
Moyes because he's in a Roy MkII scenario
Dyche (I accept v.v.unlikely) because he would scare the **** out of our clique and he has done wonders in his previous jobs
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: PsalmXXIII on May 28, 2014, 12:56:32 PM
Strangely, I can see why Moyes would be interested in us.  He wants to rebuild his reputation and after his big pay-off, money isn't everything to him.  He is aware of what it did for Roy Hodgson's career, so I can see all that.

What I don't see though is why JP would be so keen on Moyes, as it surely means a complete dismantling of the Head Coach structure to accommodate Moyes.   I realise that Roy accepted it, but he was well into his 60s and was perhaps more willing to accept it.

I think JP will have to commit to the club undertaking a major sea-change in strategy to land Moyes.  After his recent statement, maybe that is indeed in the pipeline?

Maybe after the way things went last season he's realised that Ashworth was something incredibly special and that without him our system struggles - certainly appears that way after last seasons showing. Maybe we need to sort out the core of the club by allowing a candidate to bring their coaches in. Would prevent and eradicate some issues we had last season with player power, clique forms, people crossing boundaries of their responsibility, head coach that has the power and ability to grab the team by the balls.

I'd suspect IF Moyes came in he'd have more of a say over transfers and day to day running of the club, but closer links for the 'footballing department' and the new role for Burton. That void between Clarke and Garlick was evident last summer and filled by a man that has been sacked for his part in transfers last summer. Could be the shake up we need. And I'm sure we can do better coach wise than KD and DK in all honesty.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on May 28, 2014, 12:59:31 PM
Could it spell the end for Downing? It might be a good thing really - the players need a shock to their systems
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: wbarich on May 28, 2014, 01:01:44 PM
I don't understand your post I have just been on Paddy Power and they are offering 10/1

Have you tried to bet on it then !? Bet it doesn't let you
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Dan on May 28, 2014, 01:05:17 PM

He bothers because seriously he is not making this up

I think you'll find he is.

Previous gems of his include "Kalou is 100% signing next week" last July (we never even had a bid accepted for him), and "Zarate is coming in for talks" (never happened).
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: PsalmXXIII on May 28, 2014, 01:07:49 PM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: overseas baggie on May 28, 2014, 01:15:53 PM
Maybe after the way things went last season he's realised that Ashworth was something incredibly special and that without him our system struggles - certainly appears that way after last seasons showing. Maybe we need to sort out the core of the club by allowing a candidate to bring their coaches in. Would prevent and eradicate some issues we had last season with player power, clique forms, people crossing boundaries of their responsibility, head coach that has the power and ability to grab the team by the balls.

I'd suspect IF Moyes came in he'd have more of a say over transfers and day to day running of the club, but closer links for the 'footballing department' and the new role for Burton. That void between Clarke and Garlick was evident last summer and filled by a man that has been sacked for his part in transfers last summer. Could be the shake up we need. And I'm sure we can do better coach wise than KD and DK in all honesty.

Spot on.   JP came within a hair's breadth of losing about half his fortune from the share value in recent weeks - maybe it has been just the wake-up call he needed to convince him that the model which has worked so well for a while is no longer fit for purpose.

The start of a new era?  Let's hope so.

Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Dan on May 28, 2014, 01:20:54 PM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: BB74 on May 28, 2014, 01:23:47 PM
Spot on.   JP came within a hair's breadth of losing about half his fortune from the share value in recent weeks - maybe it has been just the wake-up call he needed to convince him that the model which has worked so well for a while is no longer fit for purpose.

The start of a new era?  Let's hope so.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't JP state we aren't going to rip up the book and start again because of one bad season?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: monkey nuts on May 28, 2014, 01:25:57 PM
strange thing about Moyes and Sherwood is i was told about ten ths morning that it won't be either of them
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: wbarich on May 28, 2014, 01:30:22 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't JP state we aren't going to rip up the book and start again because of one bad season?

Yes he said one bad season doesn't make it a bad business model, in other words nothing will change!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Foreverbaggie on May 28, 2014, 01:31:09 PM
This farce yet again of dithering about an appointment is really taking the pee, this is the second time they knew they we're going to let a coach go, and they still don't have a replacement lined up, no wonder we can't attract decent players and everyone wants to leave.

Frustrating to say the least, other clubs make their mind up and go for it, but no not us, and we still end up making mistakes, it hurts us fans all the time.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: spencer Baggie on May 28, 2014, 01:36:55 PM
It's all pointing towards Downing. Which if the case, JP's statement last weak was as hollow as Jonathon Greening's head.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Chipperfan on May 28, 2014, 01:38:32 PM
It's all pointing towards Downing. Which if the case, JP's statement last weak was as hollow as Jonathon Greening's head.

All what is pointing toward Downing?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: monkey nuts on May 28, 2014, 01:41:15 PM
Mcleish not been mentioned which is a bit of a surprise as he was before Pepe got appointed (no i don't think it would be good before anyone says) just saying as every other Tom Dick and Harry as surprised he got missed out   
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Welsh_Baggie on May 28, 2014, 02:09:14 PM
The more I think about it the more I think Moyes would be interested.

For one he took the hardest job in football following Fergie at Utd. 

Secondly it's a no lose situation at Albion.  We have been on a downward spiral for 18 months or so.  So any success we have next season would be down to the coach/manager and if we fail; then we were already doomed before he came in and he couldn't do anything to save us.

Now compare that to the Saints vacancy - they're a club on the up who've just had their best season in years and it will be really difficult to improve on that next season.  But a poor season for them and the manager/coach will get the blame.

Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Astle1968 on May 28, 2014, 02:11:56 PM
It's all pointing towards Downing. Which if the case, JP's statement last weak was as hollow as Jonathon Greening's head.

What is 'all' pointing towards Downing? By all means complain if it is him but this constant moaning at things that not only haven't happened but are also very unlikely to are ridiculous.

If anything then everything is pointing to anyone but Downing. KD is already at the club, would require next to no contract talks, has already had a trial run in the role, is known to everyone at the club and would be cheap. We have known Mel was leaving for 2/3 months and if it was going to be Downing then he would of been appointed 2 weeks ago.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: overseas baggie on May 28, 2014, 02:32:30 PM
Yes he said one bad season doesn't make it a bad business model, in other words nothing will change!

In which case there's little chance of Moyes coming
Title: What the hell is Garlick (Or Peace) doing???
Post by: kirk on May 28, 2014, 02:32:32 PM
Yet again weeks upon weeks putting together a list of canditates for JP to choose from? Its simple could be done in a day...... select a list of possibles, phone up their agent to see if a/interested, b/ happy to have our backroom staff and happy not to bring his own and c/ willing for the club to buy the players and not him. SIMPLE we are in a situation where we need a substantial amount of players to be brought (unless we wait til the end of August and panic buy) week upon weeks of bad press about the kit (simple release a picture and get it over with) astle, Pepe Mel ..... season ticket deadline Monday ...... still cant decide what to do !!! knowing how the club is run are they waiting for this pass before all the bad news is officially released..... Downing, Pin stripes and untried unknown players??
Title: Re: What the hell is Garlick (Or Peace) doing???
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 28, 2014, 02:42:28 PM
If Southampton announce their head coach/manager before we do then i will feel a little uneasy about next season.
I suspect Burton is the one dealing with the footballers at the moment even though hes not officially with us until next week
Should never have got rid of Mel without a replacement but i suspect the same happend when we got rid of Clarke
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: royhan on May 28, 2014, 02:47:03 PM
Interestingly, none of the top six in the betting for the Southampton vacancy have been linked with our head coach vacancy. See Oddschecker.com
Title: Re: What the hell is Garlick (Or Peace) doing???
Post by: PsalmXXIII on May 28, 2014, 02:59:04 PM
Playing Devils Advocate again, why would the club want to release good news before the cheaper season ticket deadline? You'd leave that for the supporters who'd renew regardless, then release good news to boost the number of full price tickets. I understand the flip side too obviously, but for all the slagging off the club for not acting before an early bird deadline, why should they? You want an early bird ticket, buy one. You don't and you dither, pay more.

Let's face it, if you want to watch the team next season, buy before the deadline. If you don't want to watch them, then you've got nothing to worry about any deadline. If you want to wait and see what the club does then consign yourself to paying more, simple as.

It's astonishing how often our fans imply that the club WANTS to do badly - as if we desperately want to cover up the bad news after a deadline when it's more likely that they want to progress and right some wrongs and won't let some season ticket deadline define when that decision is to be made.
Title: Re: What the hell is Garlick (Or Peace) doing???
Post by: tuamigos on May 28, 2014, 03:13:07 PM
 :D  Love it
Que cera
Don't panick Mr Mannering
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: tuamigos on May 28, 2014, 03:15:08 PM
Interestingly, none of the top six in the betting for the Southampton vacancy have been linked with our head coach vacancy. See Oddschecker.com

Its the bookies job to take money out of your pocket, a lot of this next manager fenzy is led by them.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: teaguey on May 28, 2014, 03:35:26 PM
I don't follow the bookies when it comes to our hiring as it means nothing, just purely represents hear say and the way the money is going.

However I have had a punt on Moyes at 25/1 as I feel it is Hodgson all over again, let go buy a big club and looking to rebuild his career.

Peace got Hodgson, who as im sure no one would dare disagree was a great appointment and provided us with an unbelievable season and strength.

Moyes I think is hands down the best candidate for the job given his experience with Everton, and I feel this coup is one that will be pulled off again just as was done with Hodgson.

Sacked from Liverpool, now he is leading his country to a World Cup and has reached his career pinnacle, on the back of the success with us.
Title: Re: What the hell is Garlick (Or Peace) doing???
Post by: graka on May 28, 2014, 03:56:33 PM
chill its not like we look for a manager that often is it  ;D
Title: Re: What the hell is Garlick (Or Peace) doing???
Post by: monkey nuts on May 28, 2014, 04:00:34 PM
it'll be done within the fortnight  :)
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: robnewbold on May 28, 2014, 04:02:19 PM

Two unbelievable options...

Option 1

 " David, please come in....sit down, make yourself comfortable. I believe you have met Richard, please call me Jeremy...lets talk"

Option 2

" Keith, its all up to you now mate, off on hols, Terry will fill you in."


Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Legend on May 28, 2014, 04:07:13 PM
Downing and Kiely could be the new Clough and Taylor.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 28, 2014, 04:08:53 PM
Downing and Kiely could be the new Clough and Taylor.


You may well be correct, it took Clough & Tylor a few years.European cup here we come
Title: Re: What the hell is Garlick (Or Peace) doing???
Post by: kris_boing on May 28, 2014, 04:29:45 PM
Blimey we haven't hit June yet and the panic has begun.....
Title: Re: What the hell is Garlick (Or Peace) doing???
Post by: Mikkyk on May 28, 2014, 05:42:02 PM
Downing, Pin stripes and untried unknown players??

Is a very scary combination though I would hope after JP's statement, we won't be in that situation come the first game of the season. Next two months are probably the most important since we got promoted
Title: Re: What the hell is Garlick (Or Peace) doing???
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 28, 2014, 05:51:54 PM
Should never have got rid of Mel without a replacement but i suspect the same happend when we got rid of Clarke

It was quite clear that he wasn't wanted at the club and we made the right decision in parting ways when he did.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Mr Cynical on May 28, 2014, 06:14:30 PM
It's odd that a club that is supposedly is run on solid business principles, with a succession plan in place can spin out this sort of decision for so long... Especially when the new direction that a new boss will bring will be essential to summer recruitment.

It's even more amazing that it takes this long when we have explored the market and understood who is available twice in the last 6 months.  (And the conclusion was Mel and Mel again!)

OK the talent pool changes as does the selection criteria.  But now, 17 days after the season ended and the axe fell on Pepe (never mind when the decision was actually made) we are drawing up a list of 7 names in the frame and talking about interviewing a shortlist of 3.

Surely the previous, recent experience would have enabled them to do this more quickly, both from a process and knowing who is available perspective.

I would be all for due diligence (taking our time) and making sure we made the right selection if it actually meant anything.  But, judging from December and January, taking our time doesn't mean we'll get it right, or buy into a guy and back him... it just means it takes longer.

I don't think it will be a left field choice.  Peace knows he cannot afford to gamble again.  He's said 'English speaking'.  Various managers with a record of failure have been dismissed (in the press at least).  The list will be realistic targets.  The list of 7 is going to be pretty obvious isn't it?

Lets look at the list at the top of the page

Out of the picture (for one reason or another):
Hughton, Mackay, Sherwood, Lennon, McDermott, Giggs, Zola, Clement, Curbs, Pellegrino, Di Canio, Laudrup, Phelan, Jones, Neville, Eriksson, McCarthy, Allardyce, Pulis, Hoddle, Robinson, Garcia, Mendilibar (behind Mel last time), Slomka (just, just avoided relegation with Hamburg), Schaaf (Just appointed head coach at Eintracht Frankfurt), Bilic (working at Be?ikta? - why would he leave for West Brom?), Presinecki (Out of work after being sacked by Kayserispor in January).

Possibly still in the picture:
Flores (if I understand correctly he's just left Al-in), Petrescu (recently sacked by Dynamo Moscow),

That leaves...
Jol, Moyes, Rosler, McInnes , Downing and  McClaren (who isn't on the list)

If Peace doesn't want to pay a release fee then it's between Jol, Moyes and Downing (NO!) with Flores and Petrescu as outsiders.

(Obviously I know nothing and I'm just working on what's in the public domain and a logical selection process.)
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggie53 on May 28, 2014, 06:28:34 PM
Look on the bright side. Jeremy says "English speaking", so there's no chance of Paul Lambert getting the gig :D :D
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 28, 2014, 06:30:42 PM
Look on the bright side. Jeremy says "English speaking", so there's no chance of Paul Lambert getting the gig :D :D


or Steve Clarke, Alex McLeish etc
Title: Re: What the hell is Garlick (Or Peace) doing???
Post by: Greenock Baggie on May 28, 2014, 06:55:18 PM
Blimey we haven't hit June yet and the panic has begun.....
Thats because, Kris, we havent been in such a massive hole that we need to dig ourselves out of before. We have to sign a new coach and 7 or 8 new players and gell them into a team to compete in the prem in less than a month. We need at least a first team up and running and firing on most cylinders by the time the pre seasons start. No good be johnny-come-latelies this time as we will definitely go down if we do.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: devonbaggiecjaj on May 28, 2014, 09:21:11 PM
Sherwood it is
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 28, 2014, 09:22:26 PM
I've seen a post elsewhere from someone who's known to be ITK saying that the recruitment process has currently slowed down because key people at Albion are away on holiday this week.

Also tweeted by Chris Lepkowski: "KD is on his hols, as are many others at the club. No appointment till next week."

I'm really not impressed at this. They knew they were going to be getting rid of Pepe Mel for some time and yet have still seen fit to be away at a vital time.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 28, 2014, 09:42:55 PM
Sherwood it is
.   Would be happy with that
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 28, 2014, 09:50:45 PM
I've seen a post elsewhere from someone who's known to be ITK saying that the recruitment process has currently slowed down because key people at Albion are away on holiday this week.

Also tweeted by Chris Lepkowski: "KD is on his hols, as are many others at the club. No appointment till next week."

I'm really not impressed at this. They knew they were going to be getting rid of Pepe Mel for some time and yet have still seen fit to be away at a vital time.

I AM impressed by it - quick, empty his locker!!!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on May 28, 2014, 10:08:54 PM
I've seen a post elsewhere from someone who's known to be ITK saying that the recruitment process has currently slowed down because key people at Albion are away on holiday this week.

Also tweeted by Chris Lepkowski: "KD is on his hols, as are many others at the club. No appointment till next week."

I'm really not impressed at this. They knew they were going to be getting rid of Pepe Mel for some time and yet have still seen fit to be away at a vital time.

Having dithered in January the club are in danger of doing exactly the same thing again.

They have known since February that Mel was going to go so it's not like they haven't had sufficient time to decide.

All this talk about short listing candidates and 'due diligence' in Albions terms is just starting to sound like a load of waffle now.

This point blank refusal to even consider paying compensation is a joke as well. Just further narrows down the options.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: tylerm on May 28, 2014, 10:09:35 PM

You may well be correct, it took Clough & Tylor a few years.European cup here we come

More chance the new Chuckle Brothers
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: palmaroy on May 28, 2014, 10:21:31 PM
Surely the problem is that no Manager or coach will accept the conditions that our Job has tied with it.This has happened Dec/Jan and again the last 4 weeks.I reckon we try all the names mentioned at the top of the betting and then try and save face by saying we are not interested in them.
Pepe turned us down once and we must have talked him into some sort of deal where he was just a figurehead.for 5 months.
We almost need a miracle to get a good name to agree or am I getting very negative.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 28, 2014, 10:46:58 PM
Thats 7 out of bookies top 10 ruled out leaving Downing, Hoddle, Moyes.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on May 28, 2014, 11:13:39 PM
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This point blank refusal to even consider paying compensation is a joke as well. Just further narrows down the options.
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I think you're wrong there mate. I've seen various articles stating we are willing to pay compo this time. For what it's worth, IMO the two best people for this job are jobless anyway - Moyes and Jol. Even after those there's Sherwood and Flores who are both outta work. Laudrop too. Interested In McClaren who is of course in work
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on May 28, 2014, 11:17:55 PM
It's funny how some are freaking out saying how much of a joke we are. It's only been 2 weeks
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Dan on May 28, 2014, 11:23:56 PM
Going through the bookies list and picking out people who haven't been ruled out and have more than one year of premier league experience (and not currently in a premier league job) leaves:

Moyes (though the E+S kind of ruled him out earlier)
Hoddle (as above)
McClaren 
Zola
Jol
Laudrup
Coyle
Avram Grant
Ranieri
Curbishley
McLeish
Strachan

Zola strikes me as a good chance based on that list.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: bry on May 28, 2014, 11:39:10 PM
It's funny how some are freaking out saying how much of a joke we are. It's only been 2 weeks
I tell you what is a joke this quote from the Birmingham Evening Mail

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-derek-mcinnes-not-7185199

"West Bromwich Albion officials are due to reconvene early next week to resume discussions over the head coach vacancy". Why next week, why not this week. What is more important for the club I really don't understand this. I'm almost lost for words.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Adder on May 28, 2014, 11:42:23 PM
Could be linked to Burton being officially in post by then....or maybe a decision or two from possible managers who might have been approached already.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Standaman on May 28, 2014, 11:52:34 PM
I tell you what is a joke this quote from the Birmingham Evening Mail

"West Bromwich Albion officials are due to reconvene early next week to resume discussions over the head coach vacancy". Why next week, why not this week. What is more important for the club I really don't understand this. I'm almost lost for words.

Lots of good reasons initial approaches and discussions will be happening before we get to a short list we will know that each candidate is at least interested in principle. If anyone is currently in employment their clubs will be sounded out. Just because there isn't an hourly update in the Birmingham Mail does not mean nothing is happening. 
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: swad35 on May 28, 2014, 11:55:30 PM
Could be linked to Burton being officially in post by then....or maybe a decision or two from possible managers who might have been approached already.

Unfortunately or fortunately we don't know what's going on at the club. There could be a whole raft of reasons why the process needs more time i.e availability of  managers for discussions, Burton being involved in the process, after all his relationship with the new coach is very important and this is a massive decision with many new signings being considered, you would think that the process would involve the new coaches opinions on these new signings.

Personally not panicking yet, frustrated but IMO will be done and dusted with maybe  some new players by the end of next week.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: bry on May 29, 2014, 12:01:10 AM
It was the word "reconvene" that really got my goat. It sounds as if they are away on holiday or just having a break and will discuss things next week - "no rush Terry yeah see you after your holiday it will keep till then".
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Greenock Baggie on May 29, 2014, 12:21:49 AM
48 pages of s***te and we still have no f*****g idea who its likely to be, ha ha ha
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: BigFrank20 on May 29, 2014, 01:46:37 AM
It was the word "reconvene" that really got my goat. It sounds as if they are away on holiday or just having a break and will discuss things next week - "no rush Terry yeah see you after your holiday it will keep till then".
Actually my friend it is the traditioanl Whitsun week break and also its half term holidays round most of the West Midlands this week. I've only just got back from a 10 day break myself so yes many of the key people may well legitimately not be available for various reasons untill next week.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: east-stand-nick on May 29, 2014, 05:42:08 AM
I just hope we can get someone in before the World Cup. Will probably be pushing it now if they're not even meeting again until next week.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ian66 on May 29, 2014, 05:56:18 AM
I've seen a post elsewhere from someone who's known to be ITK saying that the recruitment process has currently slowed down because key people at Albion are away on holiday this week.

Also tweeted by Chris Lepkowski: "KD is on his hols, as are many others at the club. No appointment till next week."

I'm really not impressed at this. They knew they were going to be getting rid of Pepe Mel for some time and yet have still seen fit to be away at a vital time.
Did the club not announce it would be a 4 week appointment, 17 days ago after Pepe departed?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: tuamigos on May 29, 2014, 06:31:23 AM
Did the club not announce it would be a 4 week appointment, 17 days ago after Pepe departed?

I think they did.
I can see where all the anxious bods are coming from.
We take at least 4 weeks, Spurs take aa few days and job done.
Be interesting to see how long Southampton take to appoint their man, we then have some sort of bench mark.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: botters on May 29, 2014, 07:26:16 AM
I think that it will be Martin Jol. Good odds on Sky at 40/1
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Matty on May 29, 2014, 07:54:51 AM
I've never known a club be as slow as the Albion for getting things done. Appointing coaches/managers, signing players;  the new kit doesn't usually get released until August!! The club's decision making has been farcical for years, it wouldn't surprise me if Southampton have a new coach/manager before we do!!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: PsalmXXIII on May 29, 2014, 08:02:38 AM
I think that it will be Martin Jol. Good odds on Sky at 40/1

Lepkowski said Jol unlikely but unable to say why for legal reasons.

Also said not all candidates spoken to - could be some truth in that Moyes rumour as he's not been ruled out anywhere like most others.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ian66 on May 29, 2014, 08:13:43 AM
I've never known a club be as slow as the Albion for getting things done. Appointing coaches/managers, signing players;  the new kit doesn't usually get released until August!! The club's decision making has been farcical for years, it wouldn't surprise me if Southampton have a new coach/manager before we do!!
I'm not disagreeing with what you are saying but JP did say it would be a 4 week appointment. Also with Terry Burton not officially starting his role as Technical Director until 1st June and JP's quote after the departure of Pepe "incoming technical director Terry Burton will play a key role in identifying Pepe Mel's managerial successor".

I'm pretty sure things will unfold early next week.....

Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 29, 2014, 08:15:26 AM
Did the club not announce it would be a 4 week appointment, 17 days ago after Pepe departed?
4 weeks is too long. We supposedly have an all-encompassing database, so we should have known who would be on our shortlist at the time Pepe was sacked. Who actually applies should be almost irrelevant. Sounding out the shortlist would only take a few days and then we should have been interviewing. Tottenham sorted out their new manager in 2 weeks, over the same period, so why couldn't we? Their's was a vital appointment as well.

Having made the decision to get rid of Pepe Mel when they did, the Board then has to pull out all the stops to bring in his replacement, and not move at the same speed as a glacier because they timed the search to coincide with people going on holiday. The holidays should have been moved in the circumstances.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 29, 2014, 08:15:37 AM
Lepkowski said Jol unlikely but unable to say why for legal reasons.

Also said not all candidates spoken to - could be some truth in that Moyes rumour as he's not been ruled out anywhere like most others.

I'd just be TOO excited about Moyes- yes please - but not getting my hopes up. Wouldn't eradicate how I feel about the board's treatment of Pepe Mel but in terms of quality, bring it on. I think he would be our best fit.

I've heard a lot about Jol being out of the loop but I'd be happy with him to some extent too.

No one else excites me TBH...
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 29, 2014, 08:23:56 AM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ian66 on May 29, 2014, 08:25:18 AM
4 weeks is too long. We supposedly have an all-encompassing database, so we should have known who would be on our shortlist at the time Pepe was sacked. Who actually applies should be almost irrelevant. Sounding out the shortlist would only take a few days and then we should have been interviewing. Tottenham sorted out their new manager in 2 weeks, over the same period, so why couldn't we? Their's was a vital appointment as well.

Having made the decision to get rid of Pepe Mel when they did, the Board then has to pull out all the stops to bring in his replacement, and not move at the same speed as a glacier because they timed the search to coincide with people going on holiday. The holidays should have been moved in the circumstances.
But things have changed. Richard Garlick has been moved to another department and we have Terry Burton arriving shortly, so all the previous groundwork for the database of future appointments has probably been binned. Terry Burton is know involved, so I would rather wait a little longer and appoint the right Head Coach than repeat the fiasco when Garlick was involved last Christmas.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 29, 2014, 08:28:44 AM
Better to take our time and make the right appointment than rush to appease the impatient fans amongst us. Who is to say our number one target isn't sunning himself right now? I imagine most of football have planned their holidays between end of season and start of the world cup. Relax. 8)
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 29, 2014, 08:36:26 AM
I would rather wait a little longer and appoint the right Head Coach than repeat the fiasco when Garlick was involved last Christmas.
That wasn't rushed - it took the best part of 4 weeks.

Taking 2 weeks isn't rushing in football terms, some clubs appoint new managers within days because they have already researched who they want and then go out and get him.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ian66 on May 29, 2014, 08:43:10 AM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 29, 2014, 08:46:26 AM
We have virtually a team of players to sort out, its a big job for whoever.Lets hope its announced before the world cup starts in 2 weeks.The new man and his team can do some scouting.You would would like to think most of the new recruits will be in by the end of July and not the last day of August
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: bangkokbaggie on May 29, 2014, 08:54:04 AM
But things have changed. Richard Garlick has been moved to another department and we have Terry Burton arriving shortly, so all the previous groundwork for the database of future appointments has probably been binned. Terry Burton is know involved, so I would rather wait a little longer and appoint the right Head Coach than repeat the fiasco when Garlick was involved last Christmas.

As far as I can recall, we have taken several weeks in recent years to appoint most new head coaches so not sure if Garlick has any relevance.

I have said before. This long process of due diligence has generally not been productive so I don't see what its advantage is.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Standaman on May 29, 2014, 08:55:03 AM
Sorry really do not understand the need to rush this through at break neck speed. Club has said it will be roughly four weeks about  two weeks ago so we will get to short list next week when Burton arrives the appointment will be made the following week. The players don't report back until July so signings won't arrive until then at the earliest and we will be still in the market for players right up until the deadline regardless of when the coach is appointed. We absolutely will not be scouting players at the World Cup either than will be on our radar already or they are not we will not be swayed by a few good performances in Brazill let others make that mistake.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: mikehy on May 29, 2014, 08:58:44 AM
It looks like it will be someone who has not been thought of or has only briefly. Using that logic I think it may be Nigel Adkins. He would be okay as well in my opinion
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: cads_ap_albion on May 29, 2014, 09:02:04 AM
Indecision. Indecisive. Unprepared.

If it was well known Mel was going, why didn't we approach Moyes immediately?

We have said we want an experienced prem manager, so that narrows it down, so why haven't we approached those 4 or 5 people.

3 -4 weeks is a farce and if people are on their holidays, get them back.

This due diligence would get me the sack. I have to advertise, get refs, interview and appoint in 3 weeks and that is delayed because I have to advertise for 2 weeks. I get hundreds of applications to sift through.

Albion know the field, know the 10 serious contenders or so, just bloody well get on with it, so we can sign players.

Would you move on a free transfer to a new company without knowing your boss? Gomes is about to sign for Sunderland, another one we've lost due to dithering.

We have friendlies in about 5 -6 weeks .....
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ian66 on May 29, 2014, 09:03:28 AM
Sorry really do not understand the need to rush this through at break neck speed. Club has said it will be roughly four weeks about  two weeks ago so we will get to short list next week when Burton arrives the appointment will be made the following week. The players don't report back until July so signings won't arrive until then at the earliest and we will be still in the market for players right up until the deadline regardless of when the coach is appointed. We absolutely will not be scouting players at the World Cup either than will be on our radar already or they are not we will not be swayed by a few good performances in Brazill let others make that mistake.
Well said and very true, best post I've read for while!!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: PsalmXXIII on May 29, 2014, 09:07:32 AM
As far as I can recall, we have taken several weeks in recent years to appoint most new head coaches so not sure if Garlick has any relevance.

I have said before. This long process of due diligence has generally not been productive so I don't see what its advantage is.

If you have the time to do it (which despite the meltdown over how long we are taking the players are still on holiday, including ones we may buy so nobody is going to be bonding as a squad or entering transfer talks anyway) why not take your time? What do we gain from rushing an appointment for the sake of it?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ian66 on May 29, 2014, 09:09:46 AM
As far as I can recall, we have taken several weeks in recent years to appoint most new head coaches so not sure if Garlick has any relevance.

I have said before. This long process of due diligence has generally not been productive so I don't see what its advantage is.
But this time the club have said 4 weeks, where normally we are kept guessing and this is the reason they have put a time on it because of the reshuffle of staff.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Chipperfan on May 29, 2014, 09:32:36 AM
But this time the club have said 4 weeks, where normally we are kept guessing and this is the reason they have put a time on it because of the reshuffle of staff.

Quite right, and I imagine that they also factored in the matter of holidays, both of people at the club and also the potential candidates too. It's all well and good saying cancel the holidays, call them back, but would you seriously expect a top notch candidate to cancel his pre-booked break with the wife and kids for an interview in West Bromwich?

Similarly, it's all well and good talking about how it goes where you work, but that doesn't translate to football. Folks on here are great at talking about having football people running things at the club and not a solicitor, but then posters try to compare operating methods at their workplace to a football club. That strikes me as slightly contrary.

It's tempting to point at Spurs with their move for MP, but we aren't them, we don't have their pulling power and in my recollection with the possible exception of Johnny Giles second time around we have never just jumped into appointing a manager without some sort of selection process. And by the way, history suggests that the JG appointment on that occasion wasn't altogether successful.

The club did state, at the time that Mel went, that it would be a four week process so why get agitated half way through that time frame? Like Standaman says, just because the Birmingham Mail doesn't provide hourly updates, that doesn't mean nothing is happening.

Having said all that though, I love this thread. It's really very entertaining. Keep it up lads.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: bry on May 29, 2014, 09:50:09 AM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: VANDERLEI on May 29, 2014, 09:51:30 AM
People need to chill out. We will have a manager in place this time next week. This is closed season for all clubs.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 29, 2014, 09:57:31 AM
People need to chill out. We will have a manager in place this time next week. This is closed season for all clubs.


I cant see this time next week the following week more realistic.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: PsalmXXIII on May 29, 2014, 09:59:43 AM
At least we aren't Villa fans creaming themselves because someone's private jet landed at Birmingham Airport. An owner who's putting no money into the club this summer, no signs of an immediate takeover, a dour manager who IF they get taken over they'll be looking to replace and if they keep will take them down, squad needing drastic improvement.

We've got it alright.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: VANDERLEI on May 29, 2014, 10:03:21 AM

I cant see this time next week the following week more realistic.

We're down to 7 already, it won't take long now.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: palmaroy on May 29, 2014, 10:07:18 AM
The only problem is out of the magnificent 7 only Downing will want it.
Could this time wasting be something to do with trying to get over the Cardiff and Tottenham games still
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 29, 2014, 10:08:59 AM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: bry on May 29, 2014, 10:17:04 AM
And you know this isn't happening because?

Because they have said it will take 4 weeks from the start. If they are doing all those things whilst on holiday it shouldn't in my opinion take 4 weeks.  What are the benefits of taking so long? Other clubs have sacked their managers and have appointed quicker than us. If its because we cant get anyone of any worth to take the job and when we end up with Downing we have to appear like its been an exhaustive process with no stone unturned to bring due diligence?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 29, 2014, 10:18:34 AM
The only problem is out of the magnificent 7 only Downing will want it.
Could this time wasting be something to do with trying to get over the Cardiff and Tottenham games still

He is on record as saying he didn't want the job full time back in December, why do people think he wants it now?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 29, 2014, 10:23:34 AM
Lets just get McInnes in.Big Dave  Richard Snekees and Bob taylor part of his team.All having the club at heart who would want the job and affordable.If we go down we go down but we do act and portray a championship club anyway
Whilst we have we have JP in charge we will never attract a top coach.We have peaked with our current owner.Not knocking what he has done though
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 29, 2014, 10:28:20 AM
Because they have said it will take 4 weeks from the start. If they are doing all those things whilst on holiday it shouldn't in my opinion take 4 weeks.  What are the benefits of taking so long? Other clubs have sacked their managers and have appointed quicker than us. If its because we cant get anyone of any worth to take the job and when we end up with Downing we have to appear like its been an exhaustive process with no stone unturned to bring due diligence?

Sorry but my comment was based on you stating that if you were Peace and on holiday you'd be expecting to break that holiday to do necessary to get a coach in...I asked how you knew he wasn't doing that? But anyway football club owners/chairmen are entitled to holidays.

You say it shouldn't take 4 weeks. can I ask what experience you have in recruitment of football managers to know this?

4 weeks isn't that long really though is it? Other clubs appointing managers quicker than us is a moot point. Spurs for example made it clear that they would be interested in Pochettino if they sacked Sherwood weeks ago (while he was still manager of Southampton which must be getting close to tapping up?), so in effect the process started back then. Also Spurs is a more attractive job for a manager as is Man Utd (who also made it fairly clear who they wanted weeks before the manager joined), so the process is easier for those side
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Foster#1 on May 29, 2014, 10:30:26 AM
Lets just get McInnes in.Big Dave  Richard Snekees and Bob taylor part of his team.All having the club at heart who would want the job and affordable.If we go down we go down but we do act and portray a championship club anyway
Whilst we have we have JP in charge we will never attract a top coach

Yeah, let's go and appoint someone who got the sack at Bristol and appoint 3 blokes who have not got any experience staff wise.

Never attract a top coach ? What about Roy ?

Some people have a small memory.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: bry on May 29, 2014, 10:34:28 AM
Sorry but my comment was based on you stating that if you were Peace and on holiday you'd be expecting to break that holiday to do necessary to get a coach in...I asked how you knew he wasn't doing that? But anyway football club owners/chairmen are titled to holidays.

4 weeks isn't that long really though is it? Other clubs appointing managers quicker than us is a moot point. Spurs for example made it clear that they would be interested in Pochettino if they sacked Sherwood weeks ago (while he was still manager of Southampton which must be getting close to tapping up?), so in effect the process started back then. Also Spurs is a more attractive job for a manager as is Man Utd (who also made it fairly clear who they wanted weeks before the manager joined), so the process is easier for those side
Peace knew that he was going to let Mel go. I'm sorry no one has convinced me that our process of obtaining a manager is the most positive it could be. With the time factor being for me one indicator that our methods are flawed.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 29, 2014, 10:35:44 AM
Yeah, let's go and appoint someone who got the sack at Bristol and appoint 3 blokes who have not got any experience staff wise.

Never attract a top coach ? What about Roy ? Some people have a small memory.



An unusual one off. both Dave and Richard have their qualifications and coached at other clubs, not sure about Bob
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 29, 2014, 10:39:36 AM
Peace knew that he was going to let Mel go. I'm sorry no one has convinced me that our process of obtaining a manager is the most positive it could be. With the time factor being for me one indicator that our methods are flawed.

So you'd have been happy if we'd just quickly installed any new manager rather than taking the time to look around and see who is available with the right level of experience?
 I'm sure we could have got someone from Leagues 1 or 2 really quickly but would they have been good enough?

Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 29, 2014, 11:07:14 AM
Other clubs appointing managers quicker than us is a moot point. Spurs for example made it clear that they would be interested in Pochettino if they sacked Sherwood weeks ago (while he was still manager of Southampton which must be getting close to tapping up?), so in effect the process started back then.
So what's the reason why we couldn't have done the same thing? The Board would have been minded to sack Pepe Mel weeks before they actually did.

Also Spurs is a more attractive job for a manager as is Man Utd (who also made it fairly clear who they wanted weeks before the manager joined), so the process is easier for those sides
That's actually an argument for it taking longer, because more people would be interested in the job. All you're saying is that those clubs already knew who they wanted when the previous manager left. With our marvellous database, why shouldn't we have been in a position to set up a shortlist before Pepe Mel was sacked?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 29, 2014, 11:08:58 AM
People need to chill out. We will have a manager in place this time next week. This is closed season for all clubs.
Not for Tottenham apparently! It'll be interesting to see how quuckly Southampton appoint someone as well.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: PsalmXXIII on May 29, 2014, 11:12:46 AM
Peace knew that he was going to let Mel go. I'm sorry no one has convinced me that our process of obtaining a manager is the most positive it could be. With the time factor being for me one indicator that our methods are flawed.

Why? Time taken is no indication of lack of quality. We've obviously targeted a lot of people and as CL said today we've not spoken to everyone yet. Talks don't happen in the space of an hour then you write someone off. Different negotiations need to be first organised (I'd imagine a few candidates have said they'll see us after their holidays) then the interview could be a week later so depending on when they were approached and where they were when we asked it's conceivable that two weeks would be needed to get the ball rolling.

It's absolutely ridiculous to think that two weeks into a managerial hunt POST SEASON is some sign of us dithering. Hypothetically with Mel being sacked a few days after the season ended, people go on holiday, both internally and externally - it's the end of a bad season and they want to get away. Say candidate A is on holiday when we phone his people and he says I'll come and have talks when I'm back in a week and half. Bam, two weeks have passed. Candidate B, C, D, etc aren't going to be sitting there on the same day in a waiting room for the job. To sell the job to candidates will require a lot of show and tell including training facilities, ground, etc. You can't do that in less than a day.

Nobody knows what's going on at the club and the pessimists are panicking. They're not buying a loaf of bread and some eggs. They've been scrutinised all season for decisions so to me a rushed decision is more likely to be damaging than taking time getting it right. Let's face it d we are going to get a good quality coach that we all want, he ain't going to walk in the door, have tea and biscuits and sign a deal on the spot.

And moaning how we've not done a Tottenham is mad too - bigger club with more money poaches a promising coach from a smaller team, paying vast amounts of money to do so. That's like moaning that Chelsea beat us to signing a player by offering more money and being more attractive - how could they do that!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 29, 2014, 11:19:45 AM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 29, 2014, 11:49:12 AM
Now managers of the right quality, wanting to manage a side that consider avoiding relegation as the primary objective, with a medium sized fan base and with a history of not spending much money on players are few and far between.
It shouldn't be difficult to come up with a shortlist then! We should already have known who's out of our reach and who isn't.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 29, 2014, 11:55:45 AM
It shouldn't be difficult to come up with a shortlist then! We should already have known who's out of our reach and who isn't.

 I'm sure there will have been a list of candidates but also a check to see who might become available during the early part of the pre season. It's then a process of going through those candidates until you get to the stage where you interview 3 or 4 which from what has been reported is pretty much where we are.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: tuamigos on May 29, 2014, 11:59:12 AM
What amazes me is that all these news papers and correspondants can tell us who we're not going to get. How about one of then pull a rabbit out of the hat and tell us who we will get
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 29, 2014, 12:11:51 PM
What amazes me is that all these news papers and correspondants can tell us who we're not going to get. How about one of then pull a rabbit out of the hat and tell us who we will get

Because they have got a clue and just want to sell papers.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: seteefeet on May 29, 2014, 12:20:38 PM
Indecision. Indecisive. Unprepared.

If it was well known Mel was going, why didn't we approach Moyes immediately?

We have said we want an experienced prem manager, so that narrows it down, so why haven't we approached those 4 or 5 people.

3 -4 weeks is a farce and if people are on their holidays, get them back.

This due diligence would get me the sack. I have to advertise, get refs, interview and appoint in 3 weeks and that is delayed because I have to advertise for 2 weeks. I get hundreds of applications to sift through.

Albion know the field, know the 10 serious contenders or so, just bloody well get on with it, so we can sign players.

Would you move on a free transfer to a new company without knowing your boss? Gomes is about to sign for Sunderland, another one we've lost due to dithering.

We have friendlies in about 5 -6 weeks .....
What if the serious contenders are on holiday?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: kc56wba on May 29, 2014, 12:21:23 PM
What amazes me is that all these news papers and correspondants can tell us who we're not going to get. How about one of then pull a rabbit out of the hat and tell us who we will get
They know about as much as you and I do.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 29, 2014, 12:30:20 PM
Indecision. Indecisive. Unprepared.

If it was well known Mel was going, why didn't we approach Moyes immediately?

We have said we want an experienced prem manager, so that narrows it down, so why haven't we approached those 4 or 5 people.

3 -4 weeks is a farce and if people are on their holidays, get them back.

This due diligence would get me the sack. I have to advertise, get refs, interview and appoint in 3 weeks and that is delayed because I have to advertise for 2 weeks. I get hundreds of applications to sift through.

Albion know the field, know the 10 serious contenders or so, just bloody well get on with it, so we can sign players.

Would you move on a free transfer to a new company without knowing your boss? Gomes is about to sign for Sunderland, another one we've lost due to dithering.

We have friendlies in about 5 -6 weeks .....

Is he? As far as has been reported he will be holding talks with a number of clubs over a possible transfer; Sunderland, Swansea, West Ham, Arsenal etc. I imagine his wage demands(which was why he didn't go to Newcastle) would be more of a stumbling block for us rather than any "dithering" as you put it.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: blue on May 29, 2014, 12:32:29 PM
People on twitter saying Dick Advacaat has thrown his hat in.
Would be ok with me.

What I cant get my head round is how the local journo's can find out who is not being considered.
But cant find out who is. Thats their job they must have contacts and numbers of agents , shouldn't be that difficult.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggie38 on May 29, 2014, 12:35:38 PM
People on twitter saying Dick Advacaat has thrown his hat in.
Would be ok with me.

What I cant get my head round is how the local journo's can find out who is not being considered.
But cant find out who is. Thats their job they must have contacts and numbers of agents , shouldn't be that difficult.

Thats been reported in The Sun this morning. That source alone is enough for me to take it with a very small pinch of salt.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: PsalmXXIII on May 29, 2014, 12:38:54 PM
People on twitter saying Dick Advacaat has thrown his hat in.
Would be ok with me.

What I cant get my head round is how the local journo's can find out who is not being considered.
But cant find out who is. Thats their job they must have contacts and numbers of agents , shouldn't be that difficult.

Candidates will have been asked not to say anything and from the wording of their arguments local journos have been looking to Club sources for info as to who we haven't spoken to. The Big 7 probably won't be revealed either. And don't expect this final three to be publicised. It'll take a lot of work to get those names.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Albionic on May 29, 2014, 12:41:49 PM
Thats been reported in The Sun this morning. That source alone is enough for me to take it with a very small pinch of salt.

Never tried that, Advacaat with a pinch of salt,

thought it was supposed to be tequila , silly me !
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Albionic on May 29, 2014, 12:43:01 PM
Horror team
"Warnocks advacaat"
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ian66 on May 29, 2014, 12:45:59 PM
Indecision. Indecisive. Unprepared.

If it was well known Mel was going, why didn't we approach Moyes immediately?

We have said we want an experienced prem manager, so that narrows it down, so why haven't we approached those 4 or 5 people.

3 -4 weeks is a farce and if people are on their holidays, get them back.

This due diligence would get me the sack. I have to advertise, get refs, interview and appoint in 3 weeks and that is delayed because I have to advertise for 2 weeks. I get hundreds of applications to sift through.

Albion know the field, know the 10 serious contenders or so, just bloody well get on with it, so we can sign players.

Would you move on a free transfer to a new company without knowing your boss? Gomes is about to sign for Sunderland, another one we've lost due to dithering.

We have friendlies in about 5 -6 weeks .....
For all we know Moyes could of been approached weeks ago and agreed to be our new head coach.

There maybe a press conference announced in the coming weeks to announce our new head coach, new sponsor and launch the kit all at the same time to maximise publicity.

I am more than likely wrong but my point is we don't know what is happening behind the scenes.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggie38 on May 29, 2014, 12:49:13 PM
Never tried that, Advacaat with a pinch of salt,

thought it was supposed to be tequila , silly me !

Very good mate  :)
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggy74 on May 29, 2014, 12:51:49 PM
When we appointed Terry Burton , the club stated that he would play a major part in appointing new head coach , and that he wouldn't start his role to 1st June so quite why people are so surprised-that an appointment hadn't been made  is beyond me !

Just relax and wait for the announcement that will be made in the next 2 weeks ????
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 29, 2014, 01:01:22 PM
People on twitter saying Dick Advacaat has thrown his hat in.
Would be ok with me.

What I cant get my head round is how the local journo's can find out who is not being considered.
But cant find out who is. Thats their job they must have contacts and numbers of agents , shouldn't be that difficult.

Always thought that sounded like a nasty discharge you might get from an exotic disease!

Not a bad coach though. Rangers and Zenit played some nice stuff when he was there.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 29, 2014, 01:05:38 PM
How old is Dick? Steve McLarens dutch is much better
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: monkey nuts on May 29, 2014, 01:30:39 PM
How old is Dick? Steve McLarens dutch is much better

think he's 62 mate
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 29, 2014, 01:41:11 PM
think he's 62 mate


a good old wise head.Is he available.Who was his last club?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Chipperfan on May 29, 2014, 01:50:12 PM
People on twitter saying Dick Advacaat has thrown his hat in.
Would be ok with me.

I'd be more than happy with that appointment. Highly unlikely I know but you have to admit more inspiring than some of the names bandied about.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: seteefeet on May 29, 2014, 01:52:09 PM
What's happened to Ranieri, has he been ruled out?
Had a fiver on him at 40-1, but heard nothing since ::)
Still think he would be a good choice; Steady and experienced, but unpredictable enough to keep it interesting.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Standaman on May 29, 2014, 02:02:11 PM
Dick Advacaat is 66 and currently managing AZ Alkmaar I think he is unlikely.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: kirk on May 29, 2014, 02:39:49 PM
EErrrrrrr people are on holiday....... not got a phone then and besides most managers have agents nowdays, it seems the people on holiday are all from the WBA boardroom
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: wbarich on May 29, 2014, 02:40:26 PM
Sorry really do not understand the need to rush this through at break neck speed. Club has said it will be roughly four weeks about  two weeks ago so we will get to short list next week when Burton arrives the appointment will be made the following week. The players don't report back until July so signings won't arrive until then at the earliest and we will be still in the market for players right up until the deadline regardless of when the coach is appointed. We absolutely will not be scouting players at the World Cup either than will be on our radar already or they are not we will not be swayed by a few good performances in Brazill let others make that mistake.

Zuberbuhler!!!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 29, 2014, 03:03:59 PM
Zuberbuhler!!!


Always played well against the Dingles
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Greenock Baggie on May 29, 2014, 03:38:51 PM

Always played well against the Dingles
Played in the 3 - 0 win when Hartson scored on his debut and in the massacre at the Custard Bowl in the FA Cup.  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: PsalmXXIII on May 29, 2014, 03:50:39 PM

Always played well against the Dingles

I always used that as proof of just how dreadful Wolves were that season, couldn't score against the most mental goalkeeper ever.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lickey baggies on May 29, 2014, 03:55:15 PM
 I didn't know dick advocaat had a hat !
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 29, 2014, 03:59:05 PM
Played in the 3 - 0 win when Hartson scored on his debut and in the massacre at the Custard Bowl in the FA Cup.  :D :D :D


The Pie & Pint game.Fantastic when you all left your Tesco carrier bags on the seats

Anyway back to topic ah
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: AidantheBaggies on May 29, 2014, 04:03:29 PM
Dingle Dave (Jones) with Dingle Keith as his assistant............Dream Team  :P  :D

On a serious note, all of the people that we thought were likely to get it are being ruled out!!!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: monkey nuts on May 29, 2014, 04:17:10 PM
isn't snowball out of contract at AZ now was only on short term deal
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 29, 2014, 04:21:21 PM
isn't snowball out of contract at AZ now was only on short term deal


Advocart, i get it :)
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: blue on May 29, 2014, 04:27:54 PM
Advocaat has not renewed his contract at AZ and says he wants to go and work outside the nederlands this summer. So he might of applied.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: monkey nuts on May 29, 2014, 04:36:37 PM

Advocart, i get it :)

sorry couldn't resist  ;D
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 29, 2014, 06:15:14 PM
Not for Tottenham apparently! It'll be interesting to see how quuckly Southampton appoint someone as well.
It will be interesting to see how much Tottenham let their new manager spend and how quickly into their season it is before they sack him? Maybe they should take more time over their appointments :-X
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: bry on May 29, 2014, 07:20:06 PM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on May 29, 2014, 07:44:10 PM
More reasons why we are taking too long http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/albions-managerial-problems-affecting-players-7186285

That whole article is pure speculation
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on May 29, 2014, 08:07:03 PM
That whole article is pure speculation

The normally low levels of local media have sunk even lower today, what with the Billy Jones misleading headline also.... Very shoddy work by the local Journos
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: kamarasboot on May 29, 2014, 08:31:14 PM
Speculation or poor journalism people are in a world of their own if they think not having a manager won't effect who or when we sign players - yes some will sign but anyone worth there salt will refrain from signing until they know who's in charge, how they'll play etc.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on May 29, 2014, 08:44:22 PM
The normally low levels of local media have sunk even lower today, what with the Billy Jones misleading headline also.... Very shoddy work by the local Journos

I don't think journalists that write the articles write the headlines - that's the sub-editors. That's why headlines are always sensationalistic or don't always match the stories.

I know the Mails job isn't to help WBA but it shouldn't be harming us either. Lots of poor articles of late.

I don't really get the panic that we don't have a manager yet. Spurs got one faster than us. So what?! Spurs quite frankly will probably have people bending backwards to get their job. Man U took a while to name a manager and have done fine. It's not like nothings happening at the club. If by the same time next week, things are exactly the same then yes, it's going to be pretty frustrating.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: sconesy on May 29, 2014, 08:47:17 PM
Whether or not he gets it is a different matter - but Dave Jones is WELL in the mix! Sigh!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: stubba on May 29, 2014, 09:18:46 PM
Whether or not he gets it is a different matter - but Dave Jones is WELL in the mix! Sigh!

says who?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: palmaroy on May 29, 2014, 09:36:28 PM
Has anybody noticed Dick Advocaat is suddenly 10/1.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on May 29, 2014, 10:08:23 PM
Has anybody noticed Dick Advocaat is suddenly 10/1.

Yeah just saw that but you never know, may mean nothing
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: monkey nuts on May 29, 2014, 10:51:01 PM
Yeah just saw that but you never know, may mean nothing
Got 28s earlier
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: alex1 on May 29, 2014, 10:51:25 PM
Has anybody noticed Dick Advocaat is suddenly 10/1.

Nearly all Dutch managers tend to be strong on tactics and look to play 'technical' football i.e. attacking and passing football. However, I would much prefer Frank de Boer who has now won 4 championships at Ajax.  Ronald Koeman, finished second at Feyenoord, and as former top international players, both would command more respect from the players. Although Advocaat has been on the circuit for ever, he's mainly managed  mid table clubs. He's a bit of a street fighter, and can rub people up the wrong way. 

One excellent Dutch manger would be Bert van Marwijk, the national manger who got Holland to the last World Cup Final, but he had a bad time at Hamburg. Marco van Basten will be at AZ Alkmaar next season, but I don't think he has proven himself. And Martin Jol is still free!
One problem you won't have with a Dutch manager is communication, as they all speak English.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: royhan on May 29, 2014, 10:51:36 PM
The Mail is reporting that we did consider making an official approach for Steve McClaren but we were told we would be wasting our time. Another to strike off the list then! It is slowly being whittled down to Downing, unfortunately. Clement is still favourite with the bookies despite his chances being written off.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: cads_ap_albion on May 29, 2014, 11:30:50 PM
Is he? As far as has been reported he will be holding talks with a number of clubs over a possible transfer; Sunderland, Swansea, West Ham, Arsenal etc. I imagine his wage demands(which was why he didn't go to Newcastle) would be more of a stumbling block for us rather than any "dithering" as you put it.

yes he is and yes he has.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: cuckfield1704 on May 30, 2014, 07:27:07 AM
Although Advocaat has been on the circuit for ever, he's mainly managed  mid table clubs. He's a bit of a street fighter, and can rub people up the wrong way. 

Our guys, quite disgracefully, wouldn't play the high energy style required by Pepe Mel which the Southampton guys took on board very profitably for Pochetti.

So if you want to sort out our troublesome dressing room then Advocaat is your man. as a player over 500 games as a midfield enforcer in the Dutch League and has successfully managed many clubs across Europe including the then mighty Rangers and winning the UEFA Cup with Zenit and if you can hack it as a football manager in Russia, and outside Moscow too, then you can handle anything.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: tuamigos on May 30, 2014, 07:44:49 AM
Has anybody noticed Dick Advocaat is suddenly 10/1.

As the old saying goes, had more clubs than Jack Nicklaus
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Chipperfan on May 30, 2014, 08:18:27 AM
As the old saying goes, had more clubs than Jack Nicklaus

With the way we get through managers it would be a match made in heaven.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Standaman on May 30, 2014, 08:39:37 AM
Dick Advocaat sounds like the guy we should have got in January sort things out a bit iron out some of the ego's in the dressing room and move on in a season or two. I would hope for an appointment with a bit more mileage in it now.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Chipperfan on May 30, 2014, 08:44:53 AM
Dick Advocaat sounds like the guy we should have got in January sort things out a bit iron out some of the ego's in the dressing room and move on in a season or two. I would hope for an appointment with a bit more mileage in it now.

In reality though, given that if we gat halfway decent younger coach he will probably be poached and move on in about two years max, we might be better off appointing a decent older bloke who may hang around a bit longer as he approaches the end of his career ( I know that didn't work with Roy, but they can't all be a England a Manager!).
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 30, 2014, 09:09:30 AM
yes he is and yes he has.

if you mean he has signed for Sunderland can you provide a link as I can find nothing on internet about it. All I can find is what I posted earlier that he is in talks with a number of clubs.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: VANDERLEI on May 30, 2014, 09:27:17 AM
if you mean he has signed for Sunderland can you provide a link as I can find nothing on internet about it. All I can find is what I posted earlier that he is in talks with a number of clubs.

He hasn't. Jordi Gomez has signed for Sunderland.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Rheneas on May 30, 2014, 09:58:17 AM
Moysey down to 10/1. Better get me skates on the the bookies.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 30, 2014, 11:13:57 AM
He hasn't. Jordi Gomez has signed for Sunderland.

Ah thanks for clearing that up....confusion over Gomis/Gomez!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: seteefeet on May 30, 2014, 02:29:00 PM
Moysey down to 10/1. Better get me skates on the the bookies.
I have a feeling that Moyes may have been told the job is his if he wants it and the delay is linked to his decision.
Hope so anyway, otherwise it all seems a bit unprofessional. If there really are that many names in the hat then holidays by WBA personnel should not delay the process.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: swad35 on May 30, 2014, 02:51:30 PM
I have a feeling that Moyes may have been told the job is his if he wants it and the delay is linked to his decision.
Hope so anyway, otherwise it all seems a bit unprofessional. If there really are that many names in the hat then holidays by WBA personnel should not delay the process.

I've said it before but I think he will come. The interesting thing for me us that he hasn't been put forward for the other available jobs is that because:

1) he is just not rated as good enough
2) his representatives have made it clear he is unavailable taking time out or
3) he is more or less signed up and just waiting to meet Burton for face to face meeting, way forward etc.

Or am I totally blooming wrong and Downing is on his hols before he gets the job.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Albionic on May 30, 2014, 03:01:23 PM
I've said it before but I think he will come. The interesting thing for me us that he hasn't been put forward for the other available jobs is that because:

1) he is just not rated as good enough
2) his representatives have made it clear he is unavailable taking time out or
3) he is more or less signed up and just waiting to meet Burton for face to face meeting, way forward etc.

Or am I totally blooming wrong and Downing is on his hols before he gets the job.

or he's got the celtic gig and they are waiting to announce him and thier new kit / sponsor etc as a package.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: overseas baggie on May 30, 2014, 03:13:06 PM
I really don't see Moyes going to Celtic. It won't help him rebuild his career. If he succeeds then it is only to he expected (even Lennon succeeded), and if he fails then its a massive nail in his career coffin. It certainly hasn't helped Lennon to use it as a stepping stone to a bigger job elsewhere.

If he comes to us then "success" will be getting us to 40 points, and if he fails and we get relegated then he can blame it on the Albion structure!

Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: swad35 on May 30, 2014, 03:19:37 PM
or he's got the celtic gig and they are waiting to announce him and thier new kit / sponsor etc as a package.

Same could be said about us....
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Albionic on May 30, 2014, 03:44:11 PM
Same could be said about us....

It could, I was just trying to point out that their are other options which could point elsewhere.

so why do you say I've said it before but I think he will come
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 30, 2014, 03:46:28 PM
Or am I totally blooming wrong and Downing is on his hols before he gets the job.
"Keith Downing, currently No2, has expressed an interest in the job and is expected to be among those spoken to next week when Albion begin the interviewing process. The club have yet to decide on others who might, at this stage, be in the frame."

Source: Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-albion-braced-derby-7191242)
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: east-stand-nick on May 30, 2014, 03:47:44 PM
"Keith Downing, currently No2, has expressed an interest in the job and is expected to be among those spoken to next week when Albion begin the interviewing process. The club have yet to decide on others who might, at this stage, be in the frame."

Source: Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-albion-braced-derby-7191242)

If he is appointed, it just confirms that there is no god.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: hardtobeat on May 30, 2014, 03:57:53 PM
If he is appointed, it just confirms that there is no god.
                                                                                                                                                                    or there is somebody with the initials JP playing at being God. If he appoints Downing it makes last seasons goings on a total farce, he may as well have appointed him last December!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 30, 2014, 04:12:27 PM
Please god no not Downing, this is all very draining.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: tommcneill on May 30, 2014, 04:14:31 PM
It cant be Downing...no please not him!!

It will be a farce if he gets it...
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: bry on May 30, 2014, 04:20:09 PM
People are more likely to renew their season ticket before the deadline if they don't know that its downing than if he had been appointed. Now it makes sense why they are taking their time!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: east-stand-nick on May 30, 2014, 04:22:23 PM
Appointing Downing will be our Terry Connor moment - it would be disastrous.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: bry on May 30, 2014, 04:23:09 PM
That's why its wrong to take so long to appoint the manager and no its not the local press.

"West Brom were believed to be leading the race to sign Wague, but with the club still waiting to appoint a new manager to replace the axed Pepe Mel at the Hawthorns, Norwich have stolen a march on them by making a firm offer."

Read more at: http://www.clubcall.com/west-bromwich-albion/albion-slip-behind-canaries-in-wague-race-1727252.html
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ian66 on May 30, 2014, 04:31:43 PM
People are more likely to renew their season ticket before the deadline if they don't know that its downing than if he had been appointed. Now it makes sense why they are taking their time!
They taking their time because waiting for Terry Burton to officially start his job June 1st.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Rheneas on May 30, 2014, 04:46:23 PM
Reasons why I'm hopeful over Moyes:

-Roy Keane is in the frame for Celtic according to reports, so I don't think that's a starter for Moyes anymore (if it ever was)

-I've said before that Moyes seems to have a pretty nice looking home in Lancs. I'd've thought that might- MIGHT- be a potential barrier to a move to Soton/ Spurs, and that Albion might be better located for this reason.

-Spurs aside I don't think there's a better English job available than the Albion. That includes Soton who seem set to have the best parts of their 1st 11 cherry picked by richer clubs.

- I've got no problem with Downing being interviewed. For a lot of jobs in all kinds of fields there are internal as well as external candidates. All part of the due diligence. To interview him is logical (although to give him the gig would be highly illogical...)

- Moyes isn't automatically top of the list for other jobs because of the Man U problems and his name isn't being chucked around much for that reason too.

- Both he and his agent have been relatively quiet regarding new jobs since his sacking so there's been little in terms of fuel for the press stories.


So IF he wants the job and the Club can accommodate his staff in the existing framework, it's a goer.

The only remaining spanner in the works that occurs to me- and you can call me daft if you like, but it's a potential issue- is if he's already signed up to go to Brazil as a TV pundit. Then again, if he's not putting in a shift behind his desk at the Hawthorns, at least he can say he's been helping to scout players.

So having said all that, if the Albion have not at least been on the blower to Moyes or his rep, then I am a Dutchman...and we'll probably end up with one running the team  ;)



Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on May 30, 2014, 06:03:26 PM
I really don't see Moyes going to Celtic. It won't help him rebuild his career. If he succeeds then it is only to he expected (even Lennon succeeded), and if he fails then its a massive nail in his career coffin. It certainly hasn't helped Lennon to use it as a stepping stone to a bigger job elsewhere.

If he comes to us then "success" will be getting us to 40 points, and if he fails and we get relegated then he can blame it on the Albion structure!

I partly agree that Moyes won't benefit from going to Celtic, but not because success is easy. Far from it. Of the 13 managers in the 30 years since Billy McNeil left the first time,  only 3 can be said to have had any degree of success. O'Neill (when Celtic had more money, but then so did Rangers), Strachan (but ultimately his trophies dried up) and Lennon (but didn't have Rangers to compete against in the last two seasons).  Arguably O'Neil and Lennon come out with more credibility because Celtic were a shambles when each took over.  But there in lies the problem for Moyes, Lennon is widely credited for leaving Celtic in good shape, all be it far from equipped to compete in Europe (though through no fault of his). Moyes would take over a team who are expected to achieve, his arrival would raise expectations as well and Celtic don't look likely to invest while they have no serious domestic competitor.  Moyes could only prove himself by some measure of European success, unlikely with their current squad. Lennon was poor in Europe but has left the yardstick of a victory over Barcelona in the Celtic fan's memories.  Seems to me like a poison chalice to someone who thinks he is destined to manage at a higher level.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: bry on May 30, 2014, 06:03:43 PM
Reasons why I'm hopeful over Moyes:

-Roy Keane is in the frame for Celtic according to reports, so I don't think that's a starter for Moyes anymore (if it ever was)

-I've said before that Moyes seems to have a pretty nice looking home in Lancs. I'd've thought that might- MIGHT- be a potential barrier to a move to Soton/ Spurs, and that Albion might be better located for this reason.

-Spurs aside I don't think there's a better English job available than the Albion. That includes Soton who seem set to have the best parts of their 1st 11 cherry picked by richer clubs.

- I've got no problem with Downing being interviewed. For a lot of jobs in all kinds of fields there are internal as well as external candidates. All part of the due diligence. To interview him is logical (although to give him the gig would be highly illogical...)

- Moyes isn't automatically top of the list for other jobs because of the Man U problems and his name isn't being chucked around much for that reason too.

- Both he and his agent have been relatively quiet regarding new jobs since his sacking so there's been little in terms of fuel for the press stories.


So IF he wants the job and the Club can accommodate his staff in the existing framework, it's a goer.

The only remaining spanner in the works that occurs to me- and you can call me daft if you like, but it's a potential issue- is if he's already signed up to go to Brazil as a TV pundit. Then again, if he's not putting in a shift behind his desk at the Hawthorns, at least he can say he's been helping to scout players.

So having said all that, if the Albion have not at least been on the blower to Moyes or his rep, then I am a Dutchman...and we'll probably end up with one running the team  ;)

I cant disagree with most of what you said apart from Downing. What don't they already know about him? Norwich and Swansea appointed from within without endless shortlists and interviews. Its not as if we are a public sector company Mr Peace doesn't have to follow any guidelines apart from general employment guidelines. He can interview 1 candidate or 50. I just think other clubs are more decisive and are better off for it.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: mrmojorisin on May 30, 2014, 06:18:40 PM
I don't see how JP could appoint Downing without losing face and credibility.  I can't remember the exact words but did he not saying that he was looking to appoint someone better or higher profile than Clarke.  If Downing fitted either of those categories he would have been appointed instead of Clarke.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on May 30, 2014, 06:58:17 PM
People are more likely to renew their season ticket before the deadline if they don't know that its downing than if he had been appointed. Now it makes sense why they are taking their time!

As far as i'm concerned this was always going to happen.

Forgot the talk about shortlists or club statements saying that things are going to be different it's all just talk.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: VANDERLEI on May 30, 2014, 07:03:52 PM
As far as i'm concerned this was always going to happen.

Forgot the talk about shortlists or club statements saying that things are going to be different it's all just talk.

It''s a bit early to make that judgement. When has Peace ever stated that things need to change and been so positive in his statements. Normally we get the typical "corporate" response, but no there is an extra 20 million+ to play for by staying up, it sounds as though he realises that we need to invest and go the same route manager-wise as our most successful time under Roy.

It's very early days to be judging the clubs vision for the next season.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Rheneas on May 30, 2014, 07:32:09 PM
I cant disagree with most of what you said apart from Downing. What don't they already know about him? Norwich and Swansea appointed from within without endless shortlists and interviews. Its not as if we are a public sector company Mr Peace doesn't have to follow any guidelines apart from general employment guidelines. He can interview 1 candidate or 50. I just think other clubs are more decisive and are better off for it.


Point taken. In which case i can only assume that they see things in him, and saw enough when he was in charge, to want to have him as a sort of yardstick to judge other candidates by. Yeah I know it's hardly a persuasive point of mine, but like you I'm wracking my brains trying to rationalise why he might be on the shortlist.

Still no cause for real concern yet though. Even if there is some 'Downing or bust' agenda at the club (or should that be 'Downing and bust'?) I still believe in the power of social media to persuade/ force the Board into doing the right thing. I.E. if we basically say we don't want him, we don't have to have him.

Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 30, 2014, 08:17:47 PM
I've berated Peace mainly because I was upset about the treatment of PM and also the seeming near-deification of KD and DK, who haven't been rubbish by any means but who muddied the water in my opinion when it came to harmony in the camp (who knows for certain how much their involvement was).

But JP is bloody smart. He KNOWS our best in recent times was under Roy's direction (and most of us believe the main thing that kept that momentum going the following year was Lukaku) and he will be looking for something of the same. A great coach/ manager however you want to put the job description will galvanise any squad and get the best out of whatever he has to play with - even to the point of dealing with the egos and getting them in line. Maybe PM should have kept a few hairdryers handy....

Anyway, no doubt about it, Moyes would be ideal for us. The scenario is the same as it was with Roy, and if you look at the type of club he was with prior to Man Utd, regardless of league position, I think we are not dissimilar to Everton or Preston; good feeling of tradition, history, loyalty, passion (maybe it's because we are three of the original 12 in the football league!!)

Would Moyes want us? You can see what would be attractive..... all of the above plus the chance to cock a snoot at those who were too impatient. I'd be astounded if JP wasn't pushing this possibility as far as he could - not purely in terms of what Moyes could do for us but also in terms of how much JP's own credibility would be restored.

I hope he comes, one can only hope. Plus he lives near me; I could get a lift down with him.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: PsalmXXIII on May 30, 2014, 08:24:05 PM
I've berated Peace mainly because I was upset about the treatment of PM and also the seeming near-deification of KD and DK, who haven't been rubbish by any means but who muddied the water in my opinion when it came to harmony in the camp (who knows for certain how much their involvement was).

But JP is bloody smart. He KNOWS our best in recent times was under Roy's direction (and most of us believe the main thing that kept that momentum going the following year was Lukaku) and he will be looking for something of the same. A great coach/ manager however you want to put the job description will galvanise any squad and get the best out of whatever he has to play with - even to the point of dealing with the egos and getting them in line. Maybe PM should have kept a few hairdryers handy....

Anyway, no doubt about it, Moyes would be ideal for us. The scenario is the same as it was with Roy, and if you look at the type of club he was with prior to Man Utd, regardless of league position, I think we are not dissimilar to Everton or Preston; good feeling of tradition, history, loyalty, passion (maybe it's because we are three of the original 12 in the football league!!)

Would Moyes want us? You can see what would be attractive..... all of the above plus the chance to cock a snoot at those who were too impatient. I'd be astounded if JP wasn't pushing this possibility as far as he could - not purely in terms of what Moyes could do for us but also in terms of how much JP's own credibility would be restored.

I hope he comes, one can only hope. Plus he lives near me; I could get a lift down with him.

Pick him up now and drive him down!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: bry on May 30, 2014, 08:51:49 PM
This the list of serving managers including interim and permanent appointments during Jeremy Peaces reign as Chairman

Gary Megson (Was already in post before Peace)
Bryan Robson
Nigel Pearson
Craig Shakespeare
Tony Mowbray
Roberto Di Matteo
Michael Appleton
Roy Hodgson
Steve Clarke
Keith Downing
Pepe Mel

Makes you think ! Still hoping for some big name?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 30, 2014, 08:55:11 PM
This the list of serving managers including interim and permanent appointments during Jeremy Peaces reign as Chairman

Gary Megson (Was already in post before Peace)
Bryan Robson
Nigel Pearson
Craig Shakespeare
Tony Mowbray
Roberto Di Matteo
Michael Appleton
Roy Hodgson
Steve Clarke
Keith Downing
Pepe Mel

Makes you think ! Still hoping for some big name?

Each of those are big names to me. Granted only one of them actually did it for us but you can't deny they are big names!

Yes, I'm still hoping for a big name.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: boing_boing68 on May 30, 2014, 08:58:20 PM
Was di Matteo really a big name? I know he played for Chelsea but he was only really managing MK Dons, also I had never heard of Pepe Mel
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 30, 2014, 09:08:30 PM
Was di Matteo really a big name? I know he played for Chelsea but he was only really managing MK Dons, also I had never heard of Pepe Mel

To be fair, Roy has become a bigger name since us, and di Matteo had greater success AFTER us too as we all well know; shouldn't have been sacked from Chelski.

Bryan's fame was more to do with his playing than his managing and PM's fame was only known in Spain....

I admit I was to some extent playing the devil's advocate with that.

Or is that Advocaat..............
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: seteefeet on May 30, 2014, 09:54:10 PM
Reasons why I'm hopeful over Moyes:

-Roy Keane is in the frame for Celtic according to reports, so I don't think that's a starter for Moyes anymore (if it ever was)

-I've said before that Moyes seems to have a pretty nice looking home in Lancs. I'd've thought that might- MIGHT- be a potential barrier to a move to Soton/ Spurs, and that Albion might be better located for this reason.

-Spurs aside I don't think there's a better English job available than the Albion. That includes Soton who seem set to have the best parts of their 1st 11 cherry picked by richer clubs.

- I've got no problem with Downing being interviewed. For a lot of jobs in all kinds of fields there are internal as well as external candidates. All part of the due diligence. To interview him is logical (although to give him the gig would be highly illogical...)

- Moyes isn't automatically top of the list for other jobs because of the Man U problems and his name isn't being chucked around much for that reason too.

- Both he and his agent have been relatively quiet regarding new jobs since his sacking so there's been little in terms of fuel for the press stories.


So IF he wants the job and the Club can accommodate his staff in the existing framework, it's a goer.

The only remaining spanner in the works that occurs to me- and you can call me daft if you like, but it's a potential issue- is if he's already signed up to go to Brazil as a TV pundit. Then again, if he's not putting in a shift behind his desk at the Hawthorns, at least he can say he's been helping to scout players.

So having said all that, if the Albion have not at least been on the blower to Moyes or his rep, then I am a Dutchman...and we'll probably end up with one running the team  ;)
If it's true that he is a pundit at the WC then he can't be a candidate surely. Our timeframe would rule him out.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: TLMS17 on May 30, 2014, 11:48:26 PM
See Brian McDermott has left Leeds
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: charlebaggie on May 30, 2014, 11:49:37 PM
Oh dear! McDermott leaves Leeds by mutual consent  Say no more
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: charlebaggie on May 31, 2014, 12:15:53 AM
Looks like he's lost his job because the owner wants a coach not a manager. So that looks like he's out the reckoning . Phew !
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on May 31, 2014, 02:10:59 AM
I keep my fingers crossed it'll be Moyes, JP is a good businessman and he knows how best times in recent years were under Hodgson.
 
Please please JP, back your statement with actions and do everything you can to make it happen.

Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: frazzle on May 31, 2014, 08:31:10 AM
I just dont see Moyes coming to us. Everton are a much bigger club, as are United, so after the humiliation of the united debacle I just dont see him compounding the humiliation by joining us. We are mid table at best with a tightly controlled budget so we are perfect for either up and coming managers or run of the mill managers, not guys like Moyes. I reckon he will go abroad.

My hope is that we get someone who brings some life and excitement to our play so that we can be proud of our club once again. My worry is that Mel was that guy, but who knows.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Standaman on May 31, 2014, 09:18:42 AM
The problem for Moyes is United was his one shot at the big time. He has not got a reputation outside of England and nobody is going to hand him the reigns of a club in the Champions League, aside from possibly Celtic. In the short term his best chance of a route back in was the Spurs job and as far as I can tell he was not considered for it. Moyes will have to take a mid table premier league club at some point and at the moment that is either us or Southampton. Neither are particularly attractive from his perspective.

My guess he will wait until a club closer to Everton's stature needs a manager I would suggest that list includes Newcastle, West Ham and Villa. I wonder what odds you could get on all three of those clubs having their current managers this time next year? If Moyes had been out of the game for a year and needed to make a comeback we might have a chance but at the moment I don't think he will consider us.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: royhan on May 31, 2014, 09:31:22 AM
Brian McDermott has shortened to 5/1 with Sky Bet following his departure from Leeds. However, you can get 18/1 with Betfair. Paul Clement remains a favourite with most bookies despite being discounted by CL and others. http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/west-brom/next-permanent-manager
I would strongly advise anyone not to have a bet because the club are keeping their cards closely to their chests. Mel's name didn't slip out until very close to his appointment.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on May 31, 2014, 10:02:30 AM
I think McDermott was one of the names ruled out during the week.

Suppose that could change now he is out of work.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Brummie Road on May 31, 2014, 10:18:05 AM
I'm surprised Carlos Queiroz has not been linked with the job by the media - should be available after the World Cup and a vastly experienced Coach.

At the moment though, like everyone else, I really don't have a clue who we'll end up with.

I would say that some of the negative comments about Keith Downing in this thread seem very harsh.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: PsalmXXIII on May 31, 2014, 10:21:03 AM
Brian McDermott has shortened to 5/1 with Sky Bet following his departure from Leeds. However, you can get 18/1 with Betfair. Paul Clement remains a favourite with most bookies despite being discounted by CL and others. http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/west-brom/next-permanent-manager
I would strongly advise anyone not to have a bet because the club are keeping their cards closely to their chests. Mel's name didn't slip out until very close to his appointment.

Well technically two weeks before.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 31, 2014, 10:55:48 AM
Brian McDermott another faliure.no way no chance
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 31, 2014, 11:21:20 AM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 31, 2014, 11:24:12 AM
Wouldn't it just have been easier to give Pepe Mel his contract period.I just have the feeling its going to be another cautious coach
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 31, 2014, 11:51:21 AM
Wouldn't it just have been easier to give Pepe Mel his contract period.I just have the feeling its going to be another cautious coach

Wouldn't it though!!!!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: mulliganstired on May 31, 2014, 12:08:49 PM
By being so formal and unhurried, it seems JP is saying to whoever gets the job that the club and its structure is more important than you.

I hope he's not using business management scoring systems to assess candidates- they often end up with the least threatening option, which can also be the least creative/original/individual.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Brummie Road on May 31, 2014, 12:25:15 PM
Wouldn't it just have been easier to give Pepe Mel his contract period.I just have the feeling its going to be another cautious coach

The easy option isn't always the best option though is it?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: cads_ap_albion on May 31, 2014, 12:25:32 PM
By being so formal and unhurried, it seems JP is saying to whoever gets the job that the club and its structure is more important than you.

I hope he's not using business management scoring systems to assess candidates- they often end up with the least threatening option, which can also be the least creative/original/individual.

Isn't that what peace wants? Non - threatening? ?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 31, 2014, 12:41:13 PM
The easy option isn't always the best option though is it?


In this particular case i would say yes but i would wouldn't i, i am normally correct in my judgment of head coaches
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: overseas baggie on May 31, 2014, 01:13:10 PM
This is a surreal thread  - Moyes or McDermott?   
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on May 31, 2014, 02:20:59 PM
This is a surreal thread  - Moyes or McDermott?

In fairness it sums up nearly every Managerial search we've had for the last few years, you just never know what the club are going to do next. Like Hodgson, Moyes could be pulled out of the hat and it's not impossible for that to happen, but then at the same time most of our fans could easily envisage a underwhelming signing and i don't think it would surprise us if it turns out to be. (Anger us on the other hand >:( )

Fingers crossed and hope that some good, strong links to a good strong candidate start to leak out of the club soon, or even better appoint him

Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: overseas baggie on May 31, 2014, 02:24:57 PM
In fairness it sums up nearly every Managerial search we've had for the last few years, you just never know what the club are going to do next. Like Hodgson, Moyes could be pulled out of the hat and it's not impossible for that to happen, but then at the same time most of our fans could easily envisage a underwhelming signing and i don't think it would surprise us if it turns out to be. (Anger us on the other hand >:( )

Fingers crossed and hope that some good, strong links to a good strong candidate start to leak out of the club soon, or even better appoint him

Good summary.

There are some good managers available at present for Peace to go for.  Let's hope he doesn't choose one of the cheap rubbish ones who tend to be always available!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: GrGr on May 31, 2014, 04:10:45 PM
Good summary.

There are some good managers available at present for Peace to go for.  Let's hope he doesn't choose one of the cheap rubbish ones who tend to be always available!

Which ones do you have in mind?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: overseas baggie on May 31, 2014, 07:22:53 PM
Which ones do you have in mind?

Moyes, Raineri, Jol, Koeman, de Boer, Petrescu, and those are just the ones out of work without mentioning those who we could get if we were willing to pay compensation.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on May 31, 2014, 07:52:31 PM
Moyes, Raineri, Jol, Koeman, de Boer, Petrescu, and those are just the ones out of work without mentioning those who we could get if we were willing to pay compensation.

Some damn good names there. Makes it seem almost a sin to end up with a bad next head coach. I think Peace has got his head screwed on and knows he can't f*ck up this time
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: mulliganstired on May 31, 2014, 08:22:56 PM
I am hoping for Jol, well respected but not too ego-driven so he could rub along with Peace ok.

Also, he spoke fondly of his old club when manager of Spurs when we beat them.  That might mean SFA from some, but I think he's as genuine as anyone in the game today.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: GrGr on May 31, 2014, 08:41:16 PM
Moyes, Raineri, Jol, Koeman, de Boer, Petrescu, and those are just the ones out of work without mentioning those who we could get if we were willing to pay compensation.

I would say all of those, appart from Jol who I think is burnt out now, would see West Brom as a step down in their careers. For that reason I struggle to see them sign for us, never mind even being truly interested in the job.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on May 31, 2014, 08:55:55 PM
I am hoping for Jol, well respected but not too ego-driven so he could rub along with Peace ok.

Also, he spoke fondly of his old club when manager of Spurs when we beat them.  That might mean SFA from some, but I think he's as genuine as anyone in the game today.


Please now with all the stress of this let it be Jol
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: petethebaggie on May 31, 2014, 08:59:37 PM
Trying to make this head coach relevant. Mmmmmm just watched the Laurie Cunninggham show again on you tube. I recommend it to all. Wearing his stripes (broad) what a player what a club. It reminded me how special we are. We are the Albion! So to make this relevant,  whoever the next head coach is, he better realize what a great job it is. Who T F is David Moyes?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: spencer Baggie on May 31, 2014, 09:17:34 PM
Bit bored by it all now.

Honestly think it will be Downing. That way, if it isn't, at least I'll be pleasantly surprised.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: leeiswba on May 31, 2014, 09:20:29 PM
Trying to make this head coach relevant. Mmmmmm just watched the Laurie Cunninggham show again on you tube. I recommend it to all. Wearing his stripes (broad) what a player what a club. It reminded me how special we are. We are the Albion! So to make this relevant,  whoever the next head coach is, he better realize what a great job it is. Who T F is David Moyes?

Top man it's true, whatever happens people come and go from this club including 'fans' there will always be the lads there following us everywhere and that's what the club is all about (not had a beer) boing boing!!!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: petethebaggie on May 31, 2014, 09:33:40 PM
Top man it's true, whatever happens people come and go from this club including 'fans' there will always be the lads there following us everywhere and that's what the club is all about (not had a beer) boing boing!!!
Had a few beers myself, normal Saturday for me, proud to be a baggie, lets hope the next head couch understands what a great job it is. I'm still a football romantic despite everything. Sky money and fixture changes because of TV, can't change that. we need a head coach big enough to understand the job that he is taking on, player power you're having a laff. Oh yes broad stripes please!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 31, 2014, 09:38:38 PM
Trying to make this head coach relevant. Mmmmmm just watched the Laurie Cunninggham show again on you tube. I recommend it to all. Wearing his stripes (broad) what a player what a club. It reminded me how special we are. We are the Albion! So to make this relevant,  whoever the next head coach is, he better realize what a great job it is. Who T F is David Moyes?

Haha! A lot of people have lately said we're not in the same league as the likes of (sic) Everton/ Newcastle blah blah blah, but if you can stand to go back to the time we left the original first division we were easily their match. We are a great club with rich history and generally have been in the ascendance for the last twelve years or so towards our former glory.

YES we can be that good again. So you're invited for the ride Mr. Moyes, fancy a go?
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 31, 2014, 09:41:14 PM
Or if not Moyes then YES, Jol.

As long as we have broad stripes  ;)
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: petethebaggie on May 31, 2014, 09:53:25 PM
Haha! A lot of people have lately said we're not in the same league as the likes of (sic) Everton/ Newcastle blah blah blah, but if you can stand to go back to the time we left the original first division we were easily their match. We are a great club with rich history and generally have been in the ascendance for the last twelve years or so towards our former glory.

YES we can be that good again. So you're invited for the ride Mr. Moyes, fancy a go?

Well said mate, we can still mix it with the best, we have been the underdog in terms of resources for decades still ain't stopped us ay it.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on June 01, 2014, 09:30:08 AM
With the recent George Thorne comments and the lack of discipline at the club It makes you wonder if this may influence the decision on the head coach, we need somebody who will take no bull from these players. We all want someone who can coach a "west brom way" of football but perhaps we need someone who will take a hard line on the players.

Dick Advocaat anybody?!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Jack Russell on June 01, 2014, 09:33:08 AM
With the recent George Thorne comments and the lack of discipline at the club It makes you wonder if this may influence the decision on the head coach, we need somebody who will take no bull from these players. We all want someone who can coach a "west brom way" of football but perhaps we need someone who will take a hard line on the players.

Dick Advocaat anybody?!



Thats why the likes of Downing need to go.A totally fresh approach
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: RICH ONE on June 01, 2014, 09:46:43 AM
The longer the  search goes on and with his lack of job offers so far really I have  the feeling it is going to be Moyes
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on June 01, 2014, 10:02:14 AM
The longer the  search goes on and with his lack of job offers so far really I have  the feeling it is going to be Moyes

He wouldn't take any rubbish would he. Lets just hope it's tied up soon.

In regards to Downing, when you see video clips of the squad he always looks like "one if the lads" and has banter with the players. With the ill discipline running through the club it's time to see a management team who seperate themselves a bit. It's probably become all too comfortable. Don't see why Kiely should go though
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: ian66 on June 01, 2014, 12:10:56 PM
The longer the  search goes on and with his lack of job offers so far really I have  the feeling it is going to be Moyes

Exactly my thinking too. Moyes has also told the BBC he thinks he was unlucky to not be given more time at Man U. His been quite of late and reading between the lines his made the statement then his drawing a line under the past 12 months as his now his ready to move on!
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 01, 2014, 02:35:55 PM
Although it may not be popular,should the board appoint a trio of Steve bull,peter Odemwingie and Harold shipman,I shall still continue to support my team,why people are being villa fickleesque about it I don't get,yes we would all love guardiola but there is no guarantee even with him?
I'm not a happy clapper but think at the mo JRP is the man for us,we all make errors (he's admitted it) but let's not right anyone off yet,Ian wright was non league,gmac was from Ipswich ,micheal Owen was just a YTS and Alan shearer had a trial for us in goal??
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on June 01, 2014, 03:16:06 PM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Mr Cynical on June 01, 2014, 04:46:25 PM
For those that can't see the need to appoint the right person quickly...

We have already proven that taking a long time and doing the due diligence does not necessarily result in a good decision.

Let's say that we appoint someone in 2 weeks time, as suggested.
1. The world cup will have started - which generally means a slow transfer market, especially for top players - the ones we should be looking at.
2. The poor guy will have no insight into the remnants of our squad.  He'll be able to take advice, but won't know for himself, the roles that need to be filled - I'm not talking about positions more captains, free kick takers, etc.  He won't have deep knowledge of the attributes of those remaining -  pace, power, heading, etc.
3. Only at this point will we have a good idea on formation of the team and the recruitment priorities - even the obvious, full backs... or maybe wing backs?
4. There will be 2 weeks to sort out everything before pre-season starts.  From who does what in the coaching dept to where to live.
5. There will be 4 weeks until the 1st preseason friendly, and by then we need to have a full team - every position.
6. There will be 8 weeks until the 1st game to bring together this group of strangers, and coach and drill them into a coherent team and win PL games.

This is not ideal.  It makes success less likely.  It puts us at a disadvantage - in terms of player recruitment (right now) and implementing systems and tactics once the season starts (with the players that are eventually bought in).

It could all be done so much better and more effectively.

The team that has finished 17th has been relegated the following season in 3 out of the last 4 years.  Therefore, we have to make a really good job of this massive change we are undergoing.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Rheneas on June 01, 2014, 05:03:53 PM
For those that can't see the need to appoint the right person quickly...

We have already proven that taking a long time and doing the due diligence does not necessarily result in a good decision.

Let's say that we appoint someone in 2 weeks time, as suggested.
1. The world cup will have started - which generally means a slow transfer market, especially for top players - the ones we should be looking at.
2. The poor guy will have no insight into the remnants of our squad.  He'll be able to take advice, but won't know for himself, the roles that need to be filled - I'm not talking about positions more captains, free kick takers, etc.  He won't have deep knowledge of the attributes of those remaining -  pace, power, heading, etc.
3. Only at this point will we have a good idea on formation of the team and the recruitment priorities - even the obvious, full backs... or maybe wing backs?
4. There will be 2 weeks to sort out everything before pre-season starts.  From who does what in the coaching dept to where to live.
5. There will be 4 weeks until the 1st preseason friendly, and by then we need to have a full team - every position.
6. There will be 8 weeks until the 1st game to bring together this group of strangers, and coach and drill them into a coherent team and win PL games.

This is not ideal.  It makes success less likely.  It puts us at a disadvantage - in terms of player recruitment (right now) and implementing systems and tactics once the season starts (with the players that are eventually bought in).

It could all be done so much better and more effectively.

The team that has finished 17th has been relegated the following season in 3 out of the last 4 years.  Therefore, we have to make a really good job of this massive change we are undergoing.

We'll get it done within the fortnight. Any longer and it'll be suicide for all the reasons you suggest. No need to be downhearted though.
Of the excellent points you make we're not the only club in this boat.

And I'd still rather be in the Baggies position of knowing exactly where we're weak and strengthening those areas than, say, Soton who are are about to have their first team filleted of all the prime cuts, or even Leicester who are a decent Championship side but who have the mother of all slogs ahead of them regardless of who they bring in.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: geoff on June 01, 2014, 05:23:17 PM
For those that can't see the need to appoint the right person quickly...

We have already proven that taking a long time and doing the due diligence does not necessarily result in a good decision.

Let's say that we appoint someone in 2 weeks time, as suggested.
1. The world cup will have started - which generally means a slow transfer market, especially for top players - the ones we should be looking at.
2. The poor guy will have no insight into the remnants of our squad.  He'll be able to take advice, but won't know for himself, the roles that need to be filled - I'm not talking about positions more captains, free kick takers, etc.  He won't have deep knowledge of the attributes of those remaining -  pace, power, heading, etc.
3. Only at this point will we have a good idea on formation of the team and the recruitment priorities - even the obvious, full backs... or maybe wing backs?
4. There will be 2 weeks to sort out everything before pre-season starts.  From who does what in the coaching dept to where to live.
5. There will be 4 weeks until the 1st preseason friendly, and by then we need to have a full team - every position.
6. There will be 8 weeks until the 1st game to bring together this group of strangers, and coach and drill them into a coherent team and win PL games.

This is not ideal.  It makes success less likely.  It puts us at a disadvantage - in terms of player recruitment (right now) and implementing systems and tactics once the season starts (with the players that are eventually bought in).

It could all be done so much better and more effectively.

The team that has finished 17th has been relegated the following season in 3 out of the last 4 years.  Therefore, we have to make a really good job of this massive change we are undergoing.

Its for all the above points that I hope our first 2/3 games of the season are against top teams  becourse we will need time to gel, so let's get these games out of the way
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: A5HB on June 01, 2014, 05:51:32 PM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: cuckfield1704 on June 01, 2014, 06:06:31 PM
There are reports that although think very highly of him Derek McInnes has not made the short list due to' relative lack of managerial experience'.

This also surely means that Keith Downing will not get the job. To me he was always a non runner anyway. Although he may get an interview the board are sure to look for someone with no 'season from hell' baggage. Downing's future will depend on who gets the job but he is probably on the way out.

I am however worried who we might get. Our structure precludes someone like Dick Advocaat who would find the presence of Garlick and Burton stifling and Malky Mackay apparently turned down the Norwich job as he wasn't prepared to work with a  'Director of Football'.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: royhan on June 01, 2014, 06:28:04 PM
I think that Moyes is a non starter. He will wait until a 'bigger' club comes along. I think we should go for another disciplinarian with something to prove. The sooner we appoint however the better.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: lewisant on June 01, 2014, 06:49:17 PM
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Adder on June 01, 2014, 07:00:57 PM
There are reports that although think very highly of him Derek McInnes has not made the short list due to' relative lack of managerial experience'.

This also surely means that Keith Downing will not get the job. To me he was always a non runner anyway. Although he may get an interview the board are sure to look for someone with no 'season from hell' baggage. Downing's future will depend on who gets the job but he is probably on the way out.

I am however worried who we might get. Our structure precludes someone like Dick Advocaat who would find the presence of Garlick and Burton stifling and Malky Mackay apparently turned down the Norwich job as he wasn't prepared to work with a  'Director of Football'.
Malky worked with Ian Moody as Director of Football at Watford and Cardiff so I doubt that was the reason he didn't get the Norwich job.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 01, 2014, 07:10:58 PM
We need our new Head Coach to have something to prove and be 100% committed, rather than half-wishing he was sat in an armchair watching football on the TV. Remember that Moyes got a very big pay-off from Man U, so he doesn't need the money.

If it does end up being Moyes, and I still think we're not the best club for him to try to rebuild his reputation again, I hope he still has the required fire in his belly.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on June 01, 2014, 07:16:49 PM
Just to correct a paragraph i put earlier:

I'm quite confident that we are one of the offers put forward to him personally, but hopefully we're one of the ones he's tempted by critically. I think the way he's said UK and not England suggests that he's been in contact with CELTIC regarding their hotseat but as many have said on here, logically it's a poisoned chalice and would be a poor career move overall   ::)
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 01, 2014, 07:20:45 PM
There are reports that although think very highly of him Derek McInnes has not made the short list due to' relative lack of managerial experience'.

This also surely means that Keith Downing will not get the job. To me he was always a non runner anyway. Although he may get an interview the board are sure to look for someone with no 'season from hell' baggage. Downing's future will depend on who gets the job but he is probably on the way out.

I am however worried who we might get. Our structure precludes someone like Dick Advocaat who would find the presence of Garlick and Burton stifling and Malky Mackay apparently turned down the Norwich job as he wasn't prepared to work with a  'Director of Football'.

I think Malky turned down the Norwich job due to their relegation. Very friendly with the owners and has been seen out with them a couple of times according to a Norwich fan I know.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Baggie Jono on June 01, 2014, 07:40:58 PM
I hope there's nothing in it, but I see Brian McDermott has parted company with Leeds. Whoever takes the job will have a tough task ahead, although I did read that Peace was now back on track with the Baggies. Whether this means more money for players or not, I don't know. A very tough & intriguing season ahead.
COYB
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Standaman on June 01, 2014, 08:07:57 PM
 Dick Advocaat has for most of his career would have worked within the Continental Model and therefore would not be unduly worried about working with a technical director. It is bigger issue for British coaches like Moyes and Hodgson etc...
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: garry on June 01, 2014, 08:23:46 PM
I hope there's nothing in it, but I see Brian McDermott has parted company with Leeds. Whoever takes the job will have a tough task ahead, although I did read that Peace was now back on track with the Baggies. Whether this means more money for players or not, I don't know. A very tough & intriguing season ahead.
COYB
I noticed he is now second favourite with some bookmakers.
Worrying.
No disrespect, but I don't think he is good enough.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: baggie38 on June 01, 2014, 08:28:41 PM
I don't understand why so many people pay attention to the bookies. All that is happening is people have seen he is free put one and one together and got five. The bookies have then lowered their odds so they aren't handing to much cash out should it be true. In this case I have no doubt its false. McDermott was ruled out last week and I still don't believe he would even be on the seven man short list we have heard so much about this past week. My heart says Moyes but my head says it will be Jol with it being the more realistic option.
Title: Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
Post by: Baggy nerd on June 01, 2014, 08:37:00 PM
A few of JP's comments have suggested somebody with Premiership experience. This is about as much as we have to go on. The bookies odds mean nothing at the moment.
Ti