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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Our squad
« on: Yesterday at 11:07:55 PM »
Until we have clarity on who the manager is I think it is very difficult to judge exactly what we will need. I also think there are two very different scenario's to be played out if Pereira stays or goes. However regardless I think it is the base squad plus 5 or 6 additions.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: Yesterday at 10:58:12 PM »
I think both parties would want to keep things under wraps as much as possible because there are another 3 games to see out the campaign and I suspect Allardyce will be in charge for those games regardless of how things pan out behind the scenes.

Obviously he will be asked at the every press conference between now and when the decision is formally announced his answers may or may not be telling but I don't think we will get to the end of the season without a definitive answer one way or another

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: Yesterday at 10:56:28 AM »
McInnes would be an entirely rational appointment following on from Allardyce in terms of style of play but wouldn't be today because the squad hasn't been Allardyced, yet.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: Yesterday at 10:22:12 AM »
So, your criteria for a manager is one who will build a team around Robinson?

No that is not the point. I am almost completely indifferent about Callum Robinson or any other player. What I am looking for is the coach that is capable of working logically with what they have and not burning the club's limited resources through the muddle headed thinking that the ballad of Callum Robinson succulently demonstrates as it touches coaches present future and past.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: Yesterday at 09:30:13 AM »
Be strange to go to Leipzig unless they are selling someone they already have Olmo, Nkunku, Szobozslai & Forsberg all who play attacking midfielder. Hopefully that calibre of team is looking at him as a he deserves to be playing European Football & we can demand a wedge for him.

Yes and they have already committed to £10m net spend and they aren't going to spend another £30m on top of that particularly as you have pointed out in area of the pitch where they already have options albeit ones who have had some injury issues.

The problem for the more bullish valuations is the interest Pereira is getting is from the canny operators like Leipzig and Leicester. To put things into context Leipzig's current transfer record is £26m for Naby Keïta . If Pereira signed he would be their 2nd oldest signing they have made for a significant fee at the age of 25 the oldest being 26.

If a club that regularly overpays for players comes calling then the price goes up exponentially but without that interest the more fanciful numbers aren't going to happen.     

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: Yesterday at 08:50:02 AM »
Callum Robinson must wonder what he has done to offend God. Consider this he joins Chris Wilder at Sheffield United as a winger. Chris Wilder does not play wingers the move does not work out so well. He then joins WBA on loan in January under Bilic and enjoys playing in a 4-3-3 as a wide attacker on the left. 

Things are looking up and Wilder swaps him for another winger Chris Burke (Wilder does not play wingers but uses Burke as a Centre Forward ahead of the very expensive Rhian Brewster). However for reasons only known to himself Bilic abandons the 4-3-3 and hires Robinson's positional doppelganger Karlan Grant and also moves to a 3-5-1 which suites nobody.

Bilic is fired and Allardyce hired. Again Robinson does not quite fit the standard 4-2-3-1 but does well with the limited opportunities he gets and has outscored Burke and Brewster's combined efforts at Sheffield United. He has out performed his XG and aside Pereira been the most likely player to score for a team that needs to win games and is struggling to score. Does not get on the pitch in those must win games.

Now Allardyce might be replaced by guess who? Chris Wilder.

You know what I want the manager who plays Callum Robinson as a wide forward in a in a 4-3-3. That's the one I want the one who does not need player churn to manage a squad that they bloated in the first place one that isn't on their last legs or engaged in a perpetual civil war with their employers so they don't look bad you know that coach that works with and develops young talent. That's the one I want. 

And for what it is worth Appleton is much closer to being that coach than either Wilder or Allardyce but I would rather we went for somebody else just because the guy has history with the club and therefore in the eyes of our more myopic fans only appointed because of that history and is the cheap option. But I am absolutely through with the big name big reputation coaches that are just the next ill considered quick fix.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: May 12, 2021, 11:25:16 PM »
I'm just not taken with Wilder at all , his transfer dealings in his last 18 months were poor and he didn't like people above him getting involved . Seemed very bitter in the end at Sheff Utd . Not for me and I think it's too soon for him to get back into football .

This is the big concern. Regardless of us having a DOF it is very obvious that the Head Coach does have more input on transfers than is probably healthy. Any transfer can go awry but the thing that freaks me out about Wilder is that he has a very clear system of play but he hires players that just don't fit the system. He also brings in players and does not use them.

Much has been made of the fact that he has taken the core group at Sheffield United from League One to the Premier League and on the face of it that is remarkable continuity but the churn around that core has been incredibly high. 

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: May 12, 2021, 10:44:03 PM »
If it boils down to a straight choice between Allardyce and Wilder I take the latter with a heavy heart and some significant reservations but at least he isn't Allardyce. 

General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: May 12, 2021, 07:05:30 AM »
You can't help but admire the team's football much as you had to with Liverpool last year. But the club and the rest of the big 6 not so much

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: May 12, 2021, 06:53:44 AM »
The possibility of picking up a young coach from Germany has been largely closed by the new work permits rules. To qualify the minimum requirement is the applicant would have to of held a Head Coach position for a club in a Teir 1 league which would rule out coaches like Farke and Wagner who were working with the B Teams before they were appointed by their English clubs. .

I would not generally appoint a rookie to the position while Enzo Maresca has worked with some the best coaches around he has no experience as a Head Coach at any level.

We have now had mention of another name that is actually worse than Allardyce, John Terry that takes the list to 3.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: May 12, 2021, 12:05:18 AM »
He's become a bit of a jorneyman in the Bundesliga. He comes across very positive, but he didn't match Hertha Berlin's ambition in his last job. Before that he got Wolfsburg into the Europa League. 
One interesting name is Edin Terzic, the 'interim' Borussia Dortmund manager. He is still young, but was assistant to Billic at West Ham, so speaks decent English. In fact , he must be quite a support for Sancho and Bellingham at Dortmund. Although he is interim Head Coach only until the summer, he hasn't done bad in the last few months and has got them to their cup final on Thursday.

I would have thought that Terzic's stock would be pretty high in Germany given the uptick in Dortmund's form. I think I heard or read somewhere that given the International nature of Dortmund's squad Farve was coaching in English because that was the one common language all the players shared.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: May 11, 2021, 11:02:54 PM »
Hasselbaink ???

Only ever been any good with teams called Albion....wait a minute.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: May 11, 2021, 10:50:52 PM »
Short list of Evatt, Robbins and Appleton.

I might ask Vieira if he has the same bucket list as Bilic you never know although I don't want another high profile coach really except possibly Clarence Seedorf but only because he is just well you know he's Clarence Seedorf and I know he  probably isn't cut out to be a coach but............

Hughes or Lampard? I'd rather have Allardyce  which is saying something.

What Bruno Labbadia been up to lately? He was rumoured to have had several interviews before we opted for Bilic. Wonder if he will be back in the frame again

He is really the German Allardyce recruited by Hertha Berlin to sort out Klinnsman's  mess but couldn't really get them moving in the right direction and left them embroiled in another relegation battle which is absolutely not where the club wants to be. Available and probably now run out of road in Germany. 

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: May 11, 2021, 09:53:56 PM »
Leicester is the probably the perfect move for the player would play wide right in a front 3 and give them cover for Maddison centrally. Leicester with Champions League football will be in the £30m market others won't be unless they make a big money sale.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: West Bromwich Albion (R)
« on: May 11, 2021, 06:27:40 PM »
The seeds of this relegation were sown many years ago with a series of short term fixes to keep us in the Premier League each failed quick fix has weakened the club. Each quick fix has a player contract legacy many of which are still lingering draining the club of resources.

We might complain about how we managed this season and there have been many mistakes but there was a pathway to survival. We had to get everything right and plainly we did not. Allardyce's appointment is another failed quick fix and even if it is rescued by a rapid return it is quite likely that the ground is being prepared for the next aging squad to stumble to the next relegation.

Norwich had a deeper reset and took the time to implement a plan built around youth development and hiring players with development potential. They are on their 2nd iteration of the promotion/relegation I am far from sure they will survive but at least the structures are in place and they are not plunging into a desperate gamble just to stay in the division.


General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: May 11, 2021, 06:50:12 AM »
Fulham are interesting on paper the squad looks strong but I tend to agree with Baggies it's a bit of a paper tiger and while there might seem to be less uncertainty surrounding them than either ourselves or Sheffield United I not sure I am completely in awe of them.

Anguissa isn't going to be in the Championship squad. Several of those players Tosin, Robinson, and Reed have done enough to get moves to Premier League clubs and might leave. Knockaert and Cairney aren't the players they were 3 seasons ago and the latter has a knee injury as does Mowson whose reputation like Knockaert's hasn't improved this year.

Two years ago I had my doubts about Scot Parker as a coach and I still do. I don't think he should have got the current squad relegated with 3 games to spare and in truth probably should have mounted a more sustained automatic promotion challenge last year.

It would seem that the Khan's are prepared to bankroll the club but their approach is evolving. They didn't splurge anywhere near what they did when Fulham first got promoted on their watch and it is to their credit they have persevered with Parker for the duration of this campaign rather than their standard 3 manager approach that has characterised their 3 previous relegations. They may yet be rewarded for their patience as Scot Parker blossoms or punished as he continues to under achieve without being flat out terrible.

Fulham absolutely should be the favorites for promotion but their sky is far from completely cloudless.   

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: May 09, 2021, 10:25:07 PM »
We will see where the market goes over the summer but regardless without interest (ideally multiway interest) from the Super League 6 or their continental counterparts then we aren't looking at a fee north of £30m. I don't think there is interest from any of them.

Chatter about him being ideal for Arsenal just demonstrates how stupid most football commentary is. Arsenal's issues have very little to do with their options in the positions that Pereira plays in. Yet of course Arsenal might be dumb enough to spend £40m fixing something that does not need fixing while neglecting other more pressing needs which might be why they will barely finish in the top half of the league this season.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: So Happy
« on: May 09, 2021, 09:58:48 PM »
I would not go as far to say I was happy with our relegation, yet the Premier League particularly if we are going to play hoofball to stay in it is an entirely dispiriting experience. Obviously we enjoy the benefits of being one of the stronger teams but even a mid-table team in the Championship that is run properly can start next season with a lot more optimism than it's counterpart in the Premier League.

I have roughly 50 years of supporting the Albion and those years have been pretty evenly split between top flight and second teir and below. With a few notable exceptions the best overall seasons have been those we have not been in the top flight and none of the Premier League seasons even get into the top 10. 

General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: May 09, 2021, 12:50:05 PM »
Wolves are only getting the ball back when Brighton get over ambitious with a ball because they are getting bored of knocking it around between themselves. They raised their game against us but relapsed this week.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: May 09, 2021, 12:32:00 PM »
Here is an answer I genuinely do not know whether all of the possible incoming fees from player sales will be used on squad be that in fees or wages.

There is a huge amount of uncertainty around the club's finances. For a start we don't even know the fees concerned the more bullish estimates might suggest £50m from the sale of Pereira and Johnstone. If that sort of money lands I am 100% certain it won't be reinvested in the squad this summer it might be overtime but absolutely not for a season in the Championship.

At almost all levels there is the possibility that at least some of the fees could be used to pay down debt or offset against the transfer debts that we currently have in respect of Grant and Diangana for instance.

All that said if any Championship club spends more than £20m on it's squad this summer it is only doing so because it is massively overpaying for the players it's buying. 

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Under 23's / Academy Thread
« on: May 09, 2021, 12:08:42 PM »
Williams wasn't in the youth cup squad so I am guessing we think we have better prospects at Centre Back.

This seems like the thing that young players feel they need to say to show ambition. He does have a long contract at Chelsea which would seem to indicate they do rate him but the truth of the matter is that Billy Gilmour who is two years his junior is probably ahead of him in the pecking order. I can't see both of them getting into the first team (neither is the most likely outcome) so whatever the player says someone at Chelsea will sit down with him this summer and explain how things are and by the end of August he will be playing elsewhere on loan or permanently.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: May 08, 2021, 12:11:53 AM »
There was a false narrative last summer that less money was being spent and bargains were available, all turned out to be wrong. No such thing as deflation in the crazy football transfer markets.

Last summer the Premier League mainly driven by Chelsea's splurge the net expenditure rose by £200m although turnover was down by about £500m. Every other major league saw a dramatic reduction in both turnover and net spend.

All the major leagues broadcast deals are declining in value. The French broadcast deal has collapsed and it would appear that the new deal could be 50% of the the value of the Mediapro deal.

The prime driver of the aborted Super League was the deep financial hole that Juve, Real Madrid and Barcalona find themselves in and none of those 3 will be pumping funds into the market.

So absolutely there were bargains and most Premier League clubs still managed to overpay for the talent they recruited. Equally there is a growing body of players who are marooned on contracts that their current clubs would dearly like to be rid of but no other club is willing or able to take on.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: May 07, 2021, 02:08:12 PM »
Player valuations are always somewhat vexed when the market is deflating doubly so.

You can't point to a fee from last summer as a benchmark because I am fairly certain that any rough equivalent deal will be lower than they were last year and the question is how much. Obviously selling into the market isn't great but there is no guarantee that it will rebound and it works in our favour when we are on the buying end.   

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: May 07, 2021, 10:28:25 AM »
If we do sell MP for £30m this will be virtually all be spent on balacing the books, lucky if any more than £2-3m is reinvested in transfer fees.

I can see this as an outcome but I would point out that this might be £2-£3m more than most Championship clubs will spend but never the less another reason to hope the club over prices him. The evidence of the Johnstone story suggests they might.

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