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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: Yesterday at 11:25:16 PM »
I'm just not taken with Wilder at all , his transfer dealings in his last 18 months were poor and he didn't like people above him getting involved . Seemed very bitter in the end at Sheff Utd . Not for me and I think it's too soon for him to get back into football .

This is the big concern. Regardless of us having a DOF it is very obvious that the Head Coach does have more input on transfers than is probably healthy. Any transfer can go awry but the thing that freaks me out about Wilder is that he has a very clear system of play but he hires players that just don't fit the system. He also brings in players and does not use them.

Much has been made of the fact that he has taken the core group at Sheffield United from League One to the Premier League and on the face of it that is remarkable continuity but the churn around that core has been incredibly high. 

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: Yesterday at 10:44:03 PM »
If it boils down to a straight choice between Allardyce and Wilder I take the latter with a heavy heart and some significant reservations but at least he isn't Allardyce. 


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General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: Yesterday at 07:05:30 AM »
You can't help but admire the team's football much as you had to with Liverpool last year. But the club and the rest of the big 6 not so much

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: Yesterday at 06:53:44 AM »
The possibility of picking up a young coach from Germany has been largely closed by the new work permits rules. To qualify the minimum requirement is the applicant would have to of held a Head Coach position for a club in a Teir 1 league which would rule out coaches like Farke and Wagner who were working with the B Teams before they were appointed by their English clubs. .

I would not generally appoint a rookie to the position while Enzo Maresca has worked with some the best coaches around he has no experience as a Head Coach at any level.

We have now had mention of another name that is actually worse than Allardyce, John Terry that takes the list to 3.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: Yesterday at 12:05:18 AM »
He's become a bit of a jorneyman in the Bundesliga. He comes across very positive, but he didn't match Hertha Berlin's ambition in his last job. Before that he got Wolfsburg into the Europa League. 
One interesting name is Edin Terzic, the 'interim' Borussia Dortmund manager. He is still young, but was assistant to Billic at West Ham, so speaks decent English. In fact , he must be quite a support for Sancho and Bellingham at Dortmund. Although he is interim Head Coach only until the summer, he hasn't done bad in the last few months and has got them to their cup final on Thursday.

I would have thought that Terzic's stock would be pretty high in Germany given the uptick in Dortmund's form. I think I heard or read somewhere that given the International nature of Dortmund's squad Farve was coaching in English because that was the one common language all the players shared.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: May 11, 2021, 11:02:54 PM »
Hasselbaink ???

Only ever been any good with teams called Albion....wait a minute.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: May 11, 2021, 10:50:52 PM »
Short list of Evatt, Robbins and Appleton.

I might ask Vieira if he has the same bucket list as Bilic you never know although I don't want another high profile coach really except possibly Clarence Seedorf but only because he is just well you know he's Clarence Seedorf and I know he  probably isn't cut out to be a coach but............

Hughes or Lampard? I'd rather have Allardyce  which is saying something.


What Bruno Labbadia been up to lately? He was rumoured to have had several interviews before we opted for Bilic. Wonder if he will be back in the frame again

He is really the German Allardyce recruited by Hertha Berlin to sort out Klinnsman's  mess but couldn't really get them moving in the right direction and left them embroiled in another relegation battle which is absolutely not where the club wants to be. Available and probably now run out of road in Germany. 

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: May 11, 2021, 09:53:56 PM »
Leicester is the probably the perfect move for the player would play wide right in a front 3 and give them cover for Maddison centrally. Leicester with Champions League football will be in the £30m market others won't be unless they make a big money sale.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: West Bromwich Albion (R)
« on: May 11, 2021, 06:27:40 PM »
The seeds of this relegation were sown many years ago with a series of short term fixes to keep us in the Premier League each failed quick fix has weakened the club. Each quick fix has a player contract legacy many of which are still lingering draining the club of resources.

We might complain about how we managed this season and there have been many mistakes but there was a pathway to survival. We had to get everything right and plainly we did not. Allardyce's appointment is another failed quick fix and even if it is rescued by a rapid return it is quite likely that the ground is being prepared for the next aging squad to stumble to the next relegation.

Norwich had a deeper reset and took the time to implement a plan built around youth development and hiring players with development potential. They are on their 2nd iteration of the promotion/relegation I am far from sure they will survive but at least the structures are in place and they are not plunging into a desperate gamble just to stay in the division.

 

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General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: May 11, 2021, 06:50:12 AM »
Fulham are interesting on paper the squad looks strong but I tend to agree with Baggies it's a bit of a paper tiger and while there might seem to be less uncertainty surrounding them than either ourselves or Sheffield United I not sure I am completely in awe of them.

Anguissa isn't going to be in the Championship squad. Several of those players Tosin, Robinson, and Reed have done enough to get moves to Premier League clubs and might leave. Knockaert and Cairney aren't the players they were 3 seasons ago and the latter has a knee injury as does Mowson whose reputation like Knockaert's hasn't improved this year.

Two years ago I had my doubts about Scot Parker as a coach and I still do. I don't think he should have got the current squad relegated with 3 games to spare and in truth probably should have mounted a more sustained automatic promotion challenge last year.

It would seem that the Khan's are prepared to bankroll the club but their approach is evolving. They didn't splurge anywhere near what they did when Fulham first got promoted on their watch and it is to their credit they have persevered with Parker for the duration of this campaign rather than their standard 3 manager approach that has characterised their 3 previous relegations. They may yet be rewarded for their patience as Scot Parker blossoms or punished as he continues to under achieve without being flat out terrible.

Fulham absolutely should be the favorites for promotion but their sky is far from completely cloudless.   

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: May 09, 2021, 10:25:07 PM »
We will see where the market goes over the summer but regardless without interest (ideally multiway interest) from the Super League 6 or their continental counterparts then we aren't looking at a fee north of £30m. I don't think there is interest from any of them.

Chatter about him being ideal for Arsenal just demonstrates how stupid most football commentary is. Arsenal's issues have very little to do with their options in the positions that Pereira plays in. Yet of course Arsenal might be dumb enough to spend £40m fixing something that does not need fixing while neglecting other more pressing needs which might be why they will barely finish in the top half of the league this season.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: So Happy
« on: May 09, 2021, 09:58:48 PM »
I would not go as far to say I was happy with our relegation, yet the Premier League particularly if we are going to play hoofball to stay in it is an entirely dispiriting experience. Obviously we enjoy the benefits of being one of the stronger teams but even a mid-table team in the Championship that is run properly can start next season with a lot more optimism than it's counterpart in the Premier League.

I have roughly 50 years of supporting the Albion and those years have been pretty evenly split between top flight and second teir and below. With a few notable exceptions the best overall seasons have been those we have not been in the top flight and none of the Premier League seasons even get into the top 10. 

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General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: May 09, 2021, 12:50:05 PM »
Wolves are only getting the ball back when Brighton get over ambitious with a ball because they are getting bored of knocking it around between themselves. They raised their game against us but relapsed this week.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: May 09, 2021, 12:32:00 PM »
Here is an answer I genuinely do not know whether all of the possible incoming fees from player sales will be used on squad be that in fees or wages.

There is a huge amount of uncertainty around the club's finances. For a start we don't even know the fees concerned the more bullish estimates might suggest £50m from the sale of Pereira and Johnstone. If that sort of money lands I am 100% certain it won't be reinvested in the squad this summer it might be overtime but absolutely not for a season in the Championship.

At almost all levels there is the possibility that at least some of the fees could be used to pay down debt or offset against the transfer debts that we currently have in respect of Grant and Diangana for instance.

All that said if any Championship club spends more than £20m on it's squad this summer it is only doing so because it is massively overpaying for the players it's buying. 

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Under 23's / Academy Thread
« on: May 09, 2021, 12:08:42 PM »
Williams wasn't in the youth cup squad so I am guessing we think we have better prospects at Centre Back.

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This seems like the thing that young players feel they need to say to show ambition. He does have a long contract at Chelsea which would seem to indicate they do rate him but the truth of the matter is that Billy Gilmour who is two years his junior is probably ahead of him in the pecking order. I can't see both of them getting into the first team (neither is the most likely outcome) so whatever the player says someone at Chelsea will sit down with him this summer and explain how things are and by the end of August he will be playing elsewhere on loan or permanently.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: May 08, 2021, 12:11:53 AM »
There was a false narrative last summer that less money was being spent and bargains were available, all turned out to be wrong. No such thing as deflation in the crazy football transfer markets.

Last summer the Premier League mainly driven by Chelsea's splurge the net expenditure rose by £200m although turnover was down by about £500m. Every other major league saw a dramatic reduction in both turnover and net spend.

All the major leagues broadcast deals are declining in value. The French broadcast deal has collapsed and it would appear that the new deal could be 50% of the the value of the Mediapro deal.

The prime driver of the aborted Super League was the deep financial hole that Juve, Real Madrid and Barcalona find themselves in and none of those 3 will be pumping funds into the market.

So absolutely there were bargains and most Premier League clubs still managed to overpay for the talent they recruited. Equally there is a growing body of players who are marooned on contracts that their current clubs would dearly like to be rid of but no other club is willing or able to take on.


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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: May 07, 2021, 02:08:12 PM »
Player valuations are always somewhat vexed when the market is deflating doubly so.

You can't point to a fee from last summer as a benchmark because I am fairly certain that any rough equivalent deal will be lower than they were last year and the question is how much. Obviously selling into the market isn't great but there is no guarantee that it will rebound and it works in our favour when we are on the buying end.   

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: May 07, 2021, 10:28:25 AM »
If we do sell MP for £30m this will be virtually all be spent on balacing the books, lucky if any more than £2-3m is reinvested in transfer fees.

I can see this as an outcome but I would point out that this might be £2-£3m more than most Championship clubs will spend but never the less another reason to hope the club over prices him. The evidence of the Johnstone story suggests they might.

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General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL CHAMPIONSHIP THREAD
« on: May 07, 2021, 10:22:59 AM »
Not arguing, however the highlighted statement is quite salutary, BUT its this which gives me hope for next season, our poorer players will be very competitive in this league and we will surely be challenging at the top with decent coaching and team / in-game management

Generally agree

I might be overstating my case but the point is that teams who we might have assumed were challengers and probably were as recently as 3 seasons ago look like they have completely unravelled and you would have to think are someway from mounting a promotion challenge.

That said it does show how quickly things can slide in the Championship. 

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General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL CHAMPIONSHIP THREAD
« on: May 07, 2021, 09:41:05 AM »
I think I've got the permeations on the Derby, Rotherham and Wednesday three way relegation shoot out.

Both Rotherham and Wednesday have to win to have any chance of staying up.

If Derby win they stay up.
If Wednesday win but Rotherham win it is Rotherham that stay up
If Derby and Wednesday draw then Rotherham stay up if they win.

Go Wednesday do it for Darren.

From an Albion perspective for next season it doesn't matter both Derby and Wednesday are such a mess on and off the pitch that a solid mid-table finish would be an achievement. Rotherham might be the bigger threat.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: May 07, 2021, 08:57:31 AM »
I think it is fair to assume that the player will want to leave. Everything points in that direction from both a footballing and financial perspective. We can price him out of a move which given the current state of football finances might be £25m and that will work until the point the player perceives that as being unfair at which point he will force through a move one way or another.

There is one thing pulling in the clubs favour if we do try to keep him. Both player and agent come from the Brazilian/Portuguese market where the relationship between the players wages and the fees that clubs demand for players is wholly out of whack with most other Leagues and particularly England. Given that background a fee equivalent to 30 times his annual wage might be not considered unreasonable when Portuguese players regularly sign up to release clauses of 50 times their annual wage.

Personally I would like to keep the player and I am happy to accept that keeping him means that we will be working largely with what we have rather than having a more extensive squad makeover by which I mean one or two key signings promoting some of the youngsters along with a couple cheap pick ups for squad depth. Whether that is what Allardyce has in mind is a different question all together.
   

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Mbaye Diagne
« on: May 06, 2021, 06:49:11 PM »
Diagne is probably a decent option in the Championship. However £8m and a big wage absolutely won't be remotely like good value nor is there a market for a 31 year old Diagne (by now a Championship striker) that will stretch to £5m. The market is polarising the elite bubble carries on it's own sweet way and anything that is not got a direct line to that bubble will be a no fee zone.

Diagne is a lot closer to being in in the "rest" rather than the elite.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Johnstone
« on: May 04, 2021, 06:26:13 PM »
I am puzzled as to why anyone would think that Johnstone would be a sufficient  upgrade on their current incumbent as spend £20m on him when he would be a free agent next year

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General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: May 03, 2021, 01:46:33 PM »
The thing is they haven't been screwed over.  The club was never owned by them they wanted the advantages that the sheer size and how heavily commercialised the club was even before the Glazers rocked up. The clue is that there was sufficient income for the Glazers to leverage the initial purchase without sending them spiralling down the league(s) .

They haven't finished below 7th in the league won a bunch of trophies and for the most part they have had one of the top two wage bills and most summers have spent more on one player than many clubs are able to spend on their squads.

The Glazers tax is part of the dynamics that make the Premier League a little bit more competitive than most other leagues in Europe but in truth they have driven the commercial revenues which not only helped pay the tax but has recalibrated the value of all of English football's commercial deals particularly those of the big 6.

Having created the monster of the big 6 and their counterparts elsewhere in Europe the next logical step is a European Super League closed or otherwise but it is far too late for the Big 6 fans to get precious about the pyramid. 

 

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