[tuamigos]

OK so he cost £7m for the season.  I'll use Livermore for example £10m up front, then say £30K per week on a 3 year contract.  That means a total outlay of nearly £15m over that period for a pretty naff player IMO.  I can't see what the outrage is for? 

With regards to him being caught in possession he is the only player regularly willing to take risks on the ball, instead of a square 5 yard pass the others seem to specialise in.  But hey I have to respect your opinion.  It's just disappointing you weren't drawn on comparing him to our other midfielders.

So at season end, I'll be interested to see which of our midfielders end up at the highest ranking club.  I'd be willing to bet that GK will end up in the top flight in one of the decent European leagues.

For Albion right now to leave this man on the bench and pay him £105,000 for doing so is just immoral. 
Option A: select him for 90mins.
Option B: tear up the loan agreement and he goes back to Paris for WBA to save on finance.

No outrage mate. I've clearly said that the other players have a resale value. Greg doesn't.
Your basically saying the reason he gets caught in possession is because he's so good.
He's not the player that we needed, we already enough central midfielders when he was bought in.
You may well be right, he may well go to a club in the top flight.
I'd have Field over him all day long, Field will be here next season Greg won't.

[GREGMT]

No outrage mate. I've clearly said that the other players have a resale value. Greg doesn't.
Your basically saying the reason he gets caught in possession is because he's so good.
He's not the player that we needed, we already enough central midfielders when he was bought in.
You may well be right, he may well go to a club in the top flight.
I'd have Field over him all day long, Field will be here next season Greg won't.

Well he chose us over at least another 6 clubs and you've basically admitted he will go to a good club next season (so you do rate him after all).

No one knows how good Field is, at the moment he is just a kid with promise.

With about 6 games to go I'd actually like Pardew to pick the best team (not too much to ask is it).  As at the moment Albion fans are hugely shamed and embarrassed to not only be bottom but by being beaten every week.

As I said previously if GK is sent back to Paris to save money then fine, but to leave him out on ability is really taking the p--s.

[albion59]

Another with a bizarre hatred in here.

He was dropped because he refused to shake the hand of an imbecile who took off our best midfielder at 1-1 with Leicester and then we went on to lose it 4-1.

Not hatred at all. I don't hate him I've never met him! IMO not good enough simple.

[GREGMT]

Not hatred at all. I don't hate him I've never met him! IMO not good enough simple.

Not good enough for PSG as they've loaned him out.

If he gets a gig at another big European club are you saying they're making a mistake too?

Albion have loads of other players "not good enough" but you don't hammer them, why?  Is it just the wage issue?

[albion59]

Not good enough for PSG as they've loaned him out.

If he gets a gig at another big European club are you saying they're making a mistake too?

Albion have loads of other players "not good enough" but you don't hammer them, why?  Is it just the wage issue?

I haven't hammered him! I've just given my opinion on what I have seen, and I agree we have other players not good enough and if you read my posts you will see I have said the same thing about them also.

[GREGMT]

I haven't hammered him! I've just given my opinion on what I have seen, and I agree we have other players not good enough and if you read my posts you will see I have said the same thing about them also.

ok fair do's.  I like the fact you have high standards for the club.  I just hate this situation and the lack of competitiveness.  A mirror image of 1985/86, when attendances dipped below 10,000.

Back to Krychowiak, you must surely agree the situation of him being left out and WBA drifting towards relegation, why the hell don't we send him back to PSG with immediate effect?

Has Jenkins had the gumption to confront Pardew and ask why we have a £105,000 wk player warming the bench?

[albion59]

ok fair do's.  I like the fact you have high standards for the club.  I just hate this situation and the lack of competitiveness.  A mirror image of 1985/86, when attendances dipped below 10,000.

Back to Krychowiak, you must surely agree the situation of him being left out and WBA drifting towards relegation, why the hell don't we send him back to PSG with immediate effect?

Has Jenkins had the gumption to confront Pardew and ask why we have a £105,000 wk player warming the bench?

I don't know why haven't sent him back or sturridge or what the hell is going on behind the scenes at our club I wish I did because whatever it is stinks. I can't get my head around what is happening the same as why is Pardew still here, money? No one else wants to come we just don't know and they ain't going to tell us any time soon I'm afraid.

[Standaman]

The reason why we haven't sent him back to PSG is that it was a season long loan and we don't have the option.

I think the Krychowiak signing encapsulates everything that has gone wrong this season.

Our top earning player is one that did not fit the Head Coaches tactics when he joined, he might have been saved by Pardew's arrival but has subsequently been dropped for refusing to shake the clueless ones hand.

Yes there have been moments where you can see his quality but there is no game anyone can point to where he was a dominant force in midfield.

He was signed purely on reputation he wasn't scouted and the fact that at 28 he was a little bit long in the tooth to be coming to the Premier League for the first time having shone in leagues noted for their technical quality rather than the more frenetic pace of the Premier League. I would always back technical ability over athleticism but it is fair to say players sometimes take time to adjust to the League, a one year loan hasn't got the luxury of a bedding in period.

Overall a terrible signing but still better than the obvious alternatives of Livermore and Barry 

[tylerm]

We already had Livermore,Barry,Yacob and Field who play that position so there was no point in signing him really. It has left us a totally unbalanced central midfield
I also feel that bringing a player in on huge wages disrupts the rest of the dressing room especially when he doesn’t perform

[iwastherein68]

We already had Livermore,Barry,Yacob and Field who play that position so there was no point in signing him really. It has left us a totally unbalanced central midfield
I also feel that bringing a player in on huge wages disrupts the rest of the dressing room especially when he doesn’t perform

Nail on the head mate, Pulis should have been refused permission to sign him, and Jonny Evans and other senior players have sulked about his salary since we did.Signing him was a huge mistake and a major factor in a disastrous  season

[GREGMT]

It’s all very well saying disaster signing but the rest too:

Livermore : how many good games?  15 months in now.  Reasonable athlete covers ground, capable of keeping simple possession, can be strong in tackle.  Worth £10m I’d say no.

Barry : too old and 1 year too far, Everton’s judgement spot on.  Was decent first 2 months got progressively worse.

Chadli : £13m hardly played, has talent, VFM=no.

Brunt : Was a left back last season.  Too slow now.  Still great for assists.  The problem is we are going to be cut open by opposition.

Field : to early to judge.  Will be good for him to have a full season at lower level.

Yacob : ageing, great VFM.  Does what is says on tin.

Sorry but without the Pole’s input we would’ve been worse.  This is similar to Valero.  He’s had a great career.

[skyclad99]

It’s all very well saying disaster signing but the rest too:

Livermore : how many good games?  15 months in now.  Reasonable athlete covers ground, capable of keeping simple possession, can be strong in tackle.  Worth £10m I’d say no.

Barry : too old and 1 year too far, Everton’s judgement spot on.  Was decent first 2 months got progressively worse.

Chadli : £13m hardly played, has talent, VFM=no.

Brunt : Was a left back last season.  Too slow now.  Still great for assists.  The problem is we are going to be cut open by opposition.

Field : to early to judge.  Will be good for him to have a full season at lower level.

Yacob : ageing, great VFM.  Does what is says on tin.

Sorry but without the Pole’s input we would’ve been worse.  This is similar to Valero.  He’s had a great career.

I fully agree with you. He is talented but when you are surrounded by Championship players who cannot 'read' him then Greg is always going to look bang average, as he has done with us. I feel sorry for him personally; he came to us to get Premiership experience and put himself in the shop window.....I bet he cannot wait to leave and personally I don't blame him.

[GREGMT]

What I’ve done is put forward some insight to qualify what I’ve said.

Other posters have said they don’t rate him which is fine but what they haven’t done is back up why they feel that way?

When he’s gone he would’ve cost £7m.  Steve Bruce spent £12m on Scott Hogan who can’t even score in the Championship. 

[baggie38]

I will watch his career with keen interest once he returns to PSG. See if he still remains to be considered one of the best defensive/box to box midfielders going because apart from the odd one or two world class sublime passes we haven't seen anything overly special.

[Standaman]

What I’ve done is put forward some insight to qualify what I’ve said.

Other posters have said they don’t rate him which is fine but what they haven’t done is back up why they feel that way?

When he’s gone he would’ve cost £7m.  Steve Bruce spent £12m on Scott Hogan who can’t even score in the Championship.

My view is that a player can be a good player and be a terrible signing.

For all clubs their top paid player whether on loan or permanent should be the first name on the team sheet otherwise you are not allocating resources effectively and as soon as they aren't performing at a level to justify inclusion the club has a problem. The less money a club has the bigger a problem it is for them the fact we have over £200k sitting on the sidelines in the form of him and Sturridge is a complete and unmitigated disaster for us.

In Krychowiak's defence Albion have not had a functioning midfield since before Pulis took over and Pulis' brand of  anti football makes any player who is unfortunate enough play in the central midfield look like a complete donkey but that applies equally to Livermore etc..

Plainly he is not the same player that left Seville nor even the player that featured regularly for PSG in the first half of last season. While he is still only 28 this is probably the first season of his post peak career, it will be interesting to see what happens next.

If his career revives then it is another case of right player wrong time as with Valero or if it does not  wrong player wrong time as with Rosenberg.



 

[wba_jd26]

I am baffled at why Greg is getting such a hard time from the fans - it’s purely due to his wage. He is a class player, but is surrounded by players who have no movement/desire to get on the ball. It’s Borja Valero all over again! A prime example is Rondon, he does not make any form of run until after the ball is played. Watch any decent striker and they constantly make runs in behind instinctively, trusting their teammates to find them with the pass. Greg has shown he can do this in his assists this season but he hasn’t got players that are on the same page.

He is a deep lying playmaker, yet we have expected him to fill the role of enforcer, box to box midfielder and playmaker. He has not been utilised effectively.

For me the 3 players that are due the most stick are Livermore, Barry and Rondon. Without the 3 of them in the side we look a much better side. Greg would be one of the first names on my team sheet - although I know many would disagree.

[costa blanca baggie]

I am baffled at why Greg is getting such a hard time from the fans - it’s purely due to his wage. He is a class player, but is surrounded by players who have no movement/desire to get on the ball. It’s Borja Valero all over again! A prime example is Rondon, he does not make any form of run until after the ball is played. Watch any decent striker and they constantly make runs in behind instinctively, trusting their teammates to find them with the pass. Greg has shown he can do this in his assists this season but he hasn’t got players that are on the same page.

He is a deep lying playmaker, yet we have expected him to fill the role of enforcer, box to box midfielder and playmaker. He has not been utilised effectively.

For me the 3 players that are due the most stick are Livermore, Barry and Rondon. Without the 3 of them in the side we look a much better side. Greg would be one of the first names on my team sheet - although I know many would disagree.

That’s a new accusation for Ron. I’ve only read that the only form of run he makes, for a through ball, is usually too early.

[liverbaggie]

I've seen this player live several times and the term "class player" is not the word I would use.
He's certainly not a class player for us,he's too slow,leggy and often gets robbed of the ball.
He's bang average mate.

[baggie82]

For me the 3 players that are due the most stick are Livermore, Barry and Rondon. Without the 3 of them in the side we look a much better side. Greg would be one of the first names on my team sheet - although I know many would disagree.

We have been a shambles since he was subbed off against Leicester. Greg is definitely the most intelligent midfielder we have. I agree he has been surrounded by a shower of useless players and agree with your comments on Rondon, he has no movement when we are in possession and has no idea what he is doing. In a better side Greg might have thrived, but we will never know. Suspect he will do okay in La Liga or similar next season, not sure the Prem is the best for him.

[wba1993dave]

Gardner did more than this joke of a footballer. 100k a week and he falls on his a** most of time. Another player I can't wait to see the back off.

[VANDERLEI]

Gardner did more than this joke of a footballer. 100k a week and he falls on his a** most of time. Another player I can't wait to see the back off.

No he didn't. Krychowiak hasn't been utilised properly. The times he has, he's looked different class to our other midfielder, Brunt excluded.

[Fritzl Palace]

Gardner did more than this joke of a footballer. 100k a week and he falls on his a** most of time. Another player I can't wait to see the back off.

Complete nonsense of a comment.

[wba1993dave]

Someone please tell me what he actually does in a match.?? . 1 or 2 neat passes thats it. Megson dropped him , Pardew dropped him.  Pulis dropped him. 

[skyclad99]

No he didn't. Krychowiak hasn't been utilised properly. The times he has, he's looked different class to our other midfielder, Brunt excluded.

Spot on Vanderlei....this is what happens when you put a decent player in a pub side...

[Fritzl Palace]

Someone please tell me what he actually does in a match.?? . 1 or 2 neat passes thats it. Megson dropped him , Pardew dropped him.  Pulis dropped him.

One or two neat passes that would create goals more often than not if he had anyone decent making runs for him...

The ball for Rondon against Southampton, the goal against Watford, the ball over the top for Jay Rod away at Southampton that he shanked to the corner flag are just three examples off the top of my head. Certainly brings more than any of the other central midfielders utilised this season, and that is from his limited number of starts.

Pardew dropped him because he told him...where to go...for making yet another inept decision.