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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Fixtures 21/22
« on: Yesterday at 09:20:16 AM »
It's not until you look down the fixture list in this division do you realise how ***** it is.

For all the moaning we do about being in the PL, if we ever want to achieve anything as a club we have to get back there as soon as soon as possible.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: June 21, 2021, 11:32:23 AM »
Bring Mowatt at the Barnsley DoF down the M1 with you please Val.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: May 20, 2021, 03:37:34 PM »
Who do you expect him to sign in December?

That's the point.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: May 20, 2021, 01:18:04 PM »
We were 3 points adrift after 13 games. Before dismissing the argument as entirely invalid, do you want to extrapolate that across a full season and then compare it to how many points adrift we are now? Allardyce also contrived to make the average goals conceded per game for the remainder of the season worse than it had been for the first 13 games. Some improvement...

Anyway, he's going so I'm not wasting any more cyber-breath on him. Let him start his much-needed holiday next week, having worked for 6 months in the past 3 years!

Quite right. As with all new managers, he should have walked in here and immediately been able to sign the players we needed, flawlessly implement his own tactical thoughts and improve the fitness of the players so that they could actually run for 90 minutes. I cannot believe it took him a 8 weeks and a transfer window to do this.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: May 20, 2021, 12:52:38 PM »
All a bit meh really isn't it?

Allardyce took over a hopeless team at this level. The we were only three points adrift argument is invalid, we'd not played enough games to be any further behind!

He improved us and if he wanted to stay for next season I'd have been OK with it, am I gutted he's gone? Absolutely not. Will we make an absolute pig's ear of picking his replacement? Absolutely yes.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: May 20, 2021, 05:59:54 AM »
How horrific is that list of voting options?!

We've got a whole summer of this, no way we make a speedy appointment.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Luke Dowling
« on: May 20, 2021, 05:55:55 AM »
Should never have been done in the first place , a Ok wide forward from the 2nd tier trying to be converted into a lone forward in the Premier . What sort of a D.O.F / Tech Director allows that ? .

One who's manager spends 9 months begging for it.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: May 07, 2021, 09:49:31 AM »
If we do sell MP for £30m this will be virtually all be spent on balacing the books, lucky if any more than £2-3m is reinvested in transfer fees.

Is the reality. The last 18 months have completely changed the game in terms of finances, we managed to get promoted and all the millions that come with it and still post a loss last year.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Mbaye Diagne
« on: May 05, 2021, 07:54:03 PM »
We must have been watching different players 82.

I was watching a so called striker who consistently missed relatively easy chances, had air-shots and too often was caught offside.

Might have been effective in the lower standard Turkish leagues but obviously not good enough in the Premier League.

Good job we won't be anywhere near the Premier League next season then isn't it?  ;D

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Mbaye Diagne
« on: May 05, 2021, 12:35:14 PM »
I had no idea he was 27, in that case I'd not be offering them £8m.

Karlan Grant would get as many goals as him in League one. You would rather have him than Diagne who can score goals in the top leagues in European football?

There are leagues and there are big differences between them.

Anyway we have no interest in Clarke-Harris so any rumour is a non starter.

I like Diagne, I just wouldn't spend that cash on him. If he'd come on loan again we should snap their hand off.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Mbaye Diagne
« on: May 05, 2021, 12:19:04 PM »
If we were going to throw £8m at a striker this summer I'd be heading down to Peterborough to offer it up for Jonson Clarke-Harris.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Johnstone
« on: May 05, 2021, 12:16:26 PM »
Read somewhere that Watford are interested. If so, I'd break their arm off for a part-exchange with Foster.

That will be the same Ben Foster who couldn't force his way into Watford's team for most of this season. He was great, but move on.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: May 05, 2021, 11:16:42 AM »
I keep seeing posters referring to us being unable to defend and therefore our set up wrong.

Our best premier league form has always been when we have been pragmatic, hard to beat and clinical when needed. The assumption from some is that we need to go full throttle attack which will clearly open up the team and actually make us more vulnerable to defeats.

If you review our form from match day 23 which was a defeat against Spurs then our record is the following:

14 points from 12 games, 12th in the league. In that time we’ve scored 13 goals and conceded 13. Worth noting that those period of fixtures included Chelsea, man United, Leicester and Tottenham whereby we conceded 8 of those 13 goals.

Our defensive record in that time are joint 5th for the best in the division. Throughout that period only 9 teams have scored more goals than us and those teams are the top 7.

This side is hard to beat, it is competitive and with a distinctly average bunch of players is showing the hallmarks of a good side in this division.

This notion that we’re not any good at defending and that it does not suit us is simply untrue. They are demonstrating that they are capable of defending in this division. Furthermore, some of our forward play has been easy on the eye and had we been more clinical in some games then our points tally would be greater.

I’ve used the benchmark of week 23 as that is when SA had the full quota of loan signings to choose from. I accept that it has taken to long to get here, but for a side which were whipping boys before Christmas, then I am pleased to finally see this bunch of players showing some resolve in this division.

Lock this thread and throw away the key, nothing more needs to be said on the subject.

I didn't want Allardyce, but at least he's made us competitive. A far cry from the unfit, disorganised shambles we were for the last ten months under Bilic.

Will the wolves ever learn?

Too much chat about how great they are, how they were going to hammer us, send us down (by contributing 15% of our total points).

All those European nights, and recent "success" and they're fuming again, trying to console themselves by crowing about our relegation (as if we hadn't accepted it in October) only makes it funnier.

The above rang true for the game at the Spew and yet still we won through  ;D .

Yeah well... death, taxes, West Brom leaving Molineux with three points.

We're a far more competitive side than when we played them in January. That said, they're better than us and should win. We can't compete with what they've been able to invest in their squad over the past three seasons, plus they're due a win at our place. If they're going to beat us, I'd rather they did it when no one will be there to see it.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: April 30, 2021, 11:19:12 AM »
Picking up a couple of points I tend to use phrase journeyman for any player whose best years are behind him who won't attract much of a fee should he move on from us and in many instances the last year of the contract is a bit of a bonus for player who by that stage of their career won't be giving us much. It is not a stylistic description e.g. hoofball merchant.

The only player signed by Allardyce permanently is Snodgrass and he is all of the above. The two most impressive signings are as Dave points out are Yokuslu and Maitland-Niles both on loan and neither will be with us next year. The only other signing and the one with some remote chance of being with us Diagne who is entering the journeyman stage of his career. I could believe he might be good for a season in the Championship but would need to be replaced on promotion as the twin challenges of age and stepping up in class would probably be too much to carry. 

The base squad for next season is hardly inexperienced even allowing for replacing for Johnstone with Palmer only him and O'Shea of the likely regular starters would have less than 100 senior games under their belt and both would probably achieve that milestone during the season.

Again, I agree. A couple of experienced heads amongst a generally younger side in the Championship is the way to go.

Even though they're on loan, Allardyce still identified them as players that he wanted to fit his system. There is nothing to suggest he would move away from this during the summer once our fate has been sealed.

We have a very good core of players for the Championship, it would not need that much work doing to it. I feel you're being a little harsh on Allardyce, who took over at a bad time for us and in the past few weeks has served up better performances than anything we saw from Bilic.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: April 30, 2021, 09:22:23 AM »
a) It is not Allardyce doing the "clearing out" it is the club

b) Aside from those that are salable into the Premier League (Pereira, Johnstone, Bartley(??) and Robinson (??)) none are easily moved on without using heavily subsidised loans or buying out their current contracts (this gives us less money to spend not more)

c) None of those currently under contract aren't at least decent back up options at Championship level unless rendered surplus to requirements either by the Head Coach's tactics or injury

d) If we are promoted the Championship squad depth has to be jettisoned see B and is a problem in Premier League  before you even try to strengthen the first XI

e) The squad depth blocks pathways to the first team for the academy graduates.

f) We don't have the money to operate like this.

g) This is reason why you never hire a coach like Allardyce/Pulis/Pardew who always favour the journeyman pro hires can't work without "their" players and rely on squad churn to be remotely effective.

This is one of the key "footballing" reasons why I hope there is a parting of the ways.

I agree with a lot of that.

However, seems very harsh to brand any of Allardyce's signings thus far, aside from maybe Snodgrass as a journeyman and they certainly aren't hoofball merchants. Yokuslu, AMN have massively improved the standard of football we've been playing and are definitely not the typical Allardyce player. I'd be interested to see what he could do given a summer to build a side, he's certainly no Pulis and the odd experienced head helps massively in the Championship.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Kyle Bartley
« on: April 30, 2021, 09:15:58 AM »
This I don't believe. Bartley has had dogs abuse from posters on here for nearly all of his Albion career (some of it justified  some of it less so) now there is a chance of selling him for money he is suddenly indispensable.  He is 29 the squad is starting to age again if you don't move him on. You sell and you back fill with a young prospect as the 4th choice.

Pretty much this. He's been bang average for much of his time here and is currently playing the best football of his career. If anyone is saft enough to chuck us a couple of million quid for him then we would be crazy not to sell.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: April 26, 2021, 11:19:18 AM »
I wouldn't begrudge him a move, although it would be nice to see him give us an extra year in the same way Buendia and Cantwell have with Norwich. If we line up after this summers transfer window with Pereira playing in the Championship, the other 23 teams may as well not bother. At that level, he's like having a cheat code.

The fans of the fourteen clubs who have not signed up to this should not relax. Our owners would have signed us up in a heartbeat if given the chance. The news yesterday evening represents a real chance to change the way football is heading, fans of all the PL clubs should be doing everything they can to rid themselves of their current ownership.

Absolutely, with or without tickets to the game you'd have to get yourself overseas.

I don't see how a super-league can ever happen. To be clear these big 15 odd clubs want a replacement for the UCL in which they are guaranteed a lucrative spot every season, they do not want to vacate their domestic leagues. Yet with the other majority top league clubs against this, the FA, the gov, UEFA and FIFA against them they have no chance of pulling this off. They can form a European super cup / league but only at the expense of being 1) expelled from domestic football and 2) players banned from international football - that is a price they cannot ever pay - as it would amount to self destruction.

So all in all, it is never going to happen. But it makes for great media print and discussion.

I hope you are right. However the previous 12 months has shown these clubs that they don't need fans through the door, the audience for these clubs is spends their time deciding which subscription services to join and not which games to attend. Football has been dying on its backside for a while, this hasn't happened over night.

I'm genuinely surprised at the reaction to this. Given the 2021 demographic of people watching football I would have expected far more support.

This isn't going to go away now, not until it happens in some way, shape or form. These clubs under their current ownership have made clear their contempt for the match going supporter. Sadly for all the decent, honest, local supporters of Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs etc that walk away there will be coach and plane loads of tourists ready to take their place. Or better still, billions of subscribers ready to pay for the games around the globe.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Johnstone
« on: March 19, 2021, 12:45:37 PM »
Only in the squad because Sanchez at Brighton turned England down and Ramsdale retained by under 21s.

Hopefully pushes his price into 8 figures though.

Neither of whom have been as impressive as Johnstone this season.

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