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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Our squad
« on: Today at 11:00:25 AM »
Yokuslu should be the main priority and that conversation should have already started. I'm still convinced we'll get him but, if not a similar player is a must.
After that 2 or 3 strikers depending on Diagne, who, if available, is a no brainer.

Full backs are fine for this league but improve if we can, especially RB

Maybe I'm being romantic but I haven't given up on Sawyers. If Allardyce can improve his application and awareness, we know his ball retention and passing are exemplary for this league. Either way we still need 1 or 2 in there as, Livermore is a no for me, let him have his swansong somewhere else. HRK is another one, I've seen him lumbering about for 3 seasons too many now, if no-one will take him, give him a role somewhere else, just nowhere near the 1st team squad.

Would love to see Palmer step up with the experienced Button as back up.
Sam Field is not going to cut it, let him go.
Edwards may have a cameo to play but don't see him as a major player.

I, personally, don't see Allardyce replacing Pereira like for like, which would be nigh on impossible anyway, so think that role will become more functional or disappear altogether with the likes of Robinson, Grady and Grant occupying the areas in and around the striker(s).

Not the massive overhaul some are predicting but plenty to do. I have no doubts whatsoever though that we will be well and truly in the mix!

Roll on August.

Very random pre match thoughts.

I'm 'not' suggesting he goes down easier than a dockside dolly boy on speed, but the pitch and tone Mo Salah achieves while collapsing in the penalty area as homage to the memory of Sergeant Elias (Platoon fame.....) may prove interesting.

If I manage to watch the game whichever device it's on will need to be on mute for it's own protection. It's a thing of wonder to me how otherwise exceptionally well balanced and talented footballers are often incapable of keeping their feet at the merest hint of a defensive hip sway.

It's like the butterfly effect. One movement facilitates another to the sound of a cat being relieved of it's reproductive organs with a pair of pliers. This lad's kit bag should come with a crash mat. Very good footballer. Just as well really as he'd never have made it to the top on a circus high wire.

Imagine a world where he's in a team with the Greasy one. Better still don't. I've imagined that world on everyone's behalf. It's a maddening and very noisy place. Never mind. Into 'em Albion, COYB and all that stuff  8) .
Throw Fernandes in with your two and they'd give the 3 tenors a run for their money!

This screaming is absolutely embarrassing and just another form of cheating, which explains why the big 6 are better at it than the rest!
If they don't get a penalty I will be very surprised, bearing in mind their personnel and the buffoon with the whistle.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: Yesterday at 07:24:04 PM »
I might just duck for cover when I say this but... I would like to see Sawyers in with Yokuslu in these last 3 games.
Sawyers can run a Champ midfield with a proper DM alongside IMO

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: May 12, 2021, 04:16:43 PM »
I remember you Bakeyface. Thanks for coming back with this info.

Disappointing to hear they are determined to sell Pereira, that means they will likely lowball us on him in terms of a fee. Also not too happy about Wilder as his transfer dealings are muck.
It doesn't say they are determined, it may be that it is just inevitable.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: May 12, 2021, 03:01:00 PM »
Good afternoon - 1st post.

Having done my research, I'd go for Maresca, probably a similar level of risk as Di Matteo when he was appointed. 

Has actually had a few Asst Manager jobs including a season as at Ascoli in Serie B, a season at Sevilla in La Liga and season at West Ham where he was highly regarded by their squad; now heading up the Elite squad at City and working closely with Pep.   Only a matter of time before he steps up to a No 1 role and has recently been linked with the Celtic job.

Of course,  this is unlikely given our ownership and apparent short-term strategic thinking, but my thoughts nonetheless.
Disagree, think this is right up our street, Steve Clark was a highly regarded number two, as was Alan Irvine.
Not sure Enzo would fancy it though but you never know.

Next Match Forum - 16/05 Liverpool (H) / Re: match officials
« on: May 12, 2021, 02:10:13 PM »
Let's get out my crystal ball:

Every tackle on them will be a clear freekick with a smile for Sadio, Mo etc. from the simp himself
Whenever Pereira is fouled he will get the very dramatic and obvious instruction to get up and play on. No foul!
VAR will be rubbish.
We will be denied a penalty
They will get a penalty
We will end the game with 10 men.

Yep was successful. Now I need to figure a way around the terms and conditions as it's my dad's season ticket... (he doesn't want to go)  ;D
I can lend you a fake beard and a flat cap if it helps  :)

Sad thing for me, these days, is, if I went as me dad I'd get in!  >:(

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: So Happy
« on: May 12, 2021, 11:57:38 AM »
Crystal Palace, Brighton, Southampton, Burnley, Watford, Norwich. Hardly the unstoppable giant clubs our fans make them out to be are they... With a decent owner and a decent director of football we can easily compete with these teams.

The Championship and League 1 have bigger and more successful clubs in them than the bottom half of the Prem, Forest, Sunderland, Derby, Blackburn, Wednesday. What do they all have in common? Bad owners and poor recruitment.
Out of that list, Burnley are the real success story, with a record signing of just £15m. May be said they have sacrificed quite a bit in terms of style, but fair play to them.

The others:
Palace = £28m
Saints = £20m
Watford = £27m

I would also imagine their wages bills are considerably higher.

Does this suggest they simply have greater ambition or just more money? I'd say the latter.

Brighton are relative new comers so over the last 10 years we have been far more successful, yet their record is still higher than ours at £20m

Norwich's record is similar but again, we have been far more successful, although their record signing is far lower at just £8.5m (watch this space)

You can't really cite poor management and poor recruitment as reasons for the failure of the likes of Forest, Sunderland etc. and level the same criticism of us, as we have massively out-performed them in recent years. We must have been doing something right, right?

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: So Happy
« on: May 12, 2021, 11:40:40 AM »
we are the cruiser weight who tries stepping up to heavyweight gets battered and comes back down to cruiser where a load of welterweights are trying to step up, so we batter the welterweights,
Yes at some point we either do over a couple of heavies or get done over by very good welterweights but at some point you have to accept you are not going to be Heavy weight champion of the world or Uk even.

Someone once said "we know what we am" and its a good maxim,  no good comes from deluding ourselves, just disappointment and frustration.  But yes its nice when you put a heavy on his ar5e !! 
Maybe thats why the cups were so enjoyable (once upon a time)
I'd add bitterness to that list and that's what I don't get. There is so much bitterness and angst, towards the club, from our own fans, about lack of ambition, smalltime short termism etc, yet, in the last 20 years we have spent 12 seasons in the top flight, never finished outside the top 6 in the Champ and been promoted 5 times. Given our budgetary inequality, I would say that is more than holding our own and standing up to the bullies, so why not be proud of it, go down with dignity and come back swinging in August!

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: So Happy
« on: May 12, 2021, 11:25:13 AM »
I can't help but think you're taking your examples of daily kickings too far. The fear of taking a beating often outweighs the beating itself anyway.

I don't look at playing against the big boys through goggles of trepidation so much as windows of opportunity. The point is I'd rather take a worthy win over an expected one.

It's a mindset which sets me apart from internet followers of the so called big boys for example. In life you can't reach your potential if you don't test yourself. It's similar with football.

On a wider point I'd still prefer to kick a bully in the gruddocks and take the consequences than become a bully. I was born broken anyway so I don't see it as a problem  ;D .
I fully agree with the last point, I've taken on my own share of bullies in my time mate and will continue to do so. ;)

The point I'm making is it's not just the money teams we are up against it's the organisation itself and that's what grinds my gears.
And, yes, the Championship is not a fully level playing field but it's not biased or corrupt towards certain teams, just because of the size of their wallets and the value they bring to the brand. The only real advantage to be gained in the Champ is to be relegated from the Prem, which let's face it, we have become experts at.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: So Happy
« on: May 12, 2021, 10:24:02 AM »
The thing for me is while I fully appreciate the desire to see Albion win games I want to see us do it at the highest level possible. The higher you are the more resources and choices you have at your disposal. How you then use the resources at your disposal is key. I'd rather a key to more choices than not.

To my mind there's no shame in failing against the odds. I want Albion to win, always. Walking away from Anfield after beating them on their own doorstep in the FA Cup meant more to me than beating Doncaster on their patch to gain promotion to the Premier League.

Liverpool have far greater resources than us and 'should' have beaten us and  we 'should' have been beating Doncaster all those years before. In a terrible season of wasted resources that day at Anfield also meant more to me than walking away as victors at Accrington Stanley in the League Cup.

We had far greater resources than Accrington Stanley but with every respect we 'should' have been beating them and we did. Victory was still sweet but Liverpool was far sweeter because we were well and truly up against the odds. To my mind there's far more to be taken in hard earned spoils than walk overs.

I would never relinquish promotion to the Premier League in favour of an away day in the Championship. I'd have enjoyed the away days en route and be looking forward to the prospect of having some more. Throwing tiny bolts hidden in little sprouts at primary school kids isn't for me. Were I still at school I'd rather a scrap with an older bully every day of the week.

COYB and SOTV  8) .
Sorry Dan, I get the sentiment but this bit just isn't feasible in reality, it is however a very good analogy for our situation.
If you get beaten up every day, sooner or later you end up broken or worse, the only way the beatings stop is if you address you shortcomings and level the playing field and, for us to do that means money! So, unless someone comes in with a truckload of cash, the beatings will not stop, we'll just keep getting lamped and the bullies will keep smirking, as if they are super hard, whilst ignoring the fact that it is never a fair fight.

The trouble is the Premier League, Sky etc. are the authorities "turning a blind eye" to the beatings and patting the bullies on the back for doing a tremendous job.

I've said it a dozen times, we can blame whoever we like within the club but it is the Premier League itself who is the biggest bully and therefore our worst enemy.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: So Happy
« on: May 11, 2021, 04:14:03 PM »
I’d never question anyone’s loyalty or anything like that or state that people are disrespecting the club.

I mean to be honest it’s easy for me to say as my first season ticket was in 2000 when I was 8 so really a lot of people may say I have only seen decent times and didn’t have to suffer the 16 years I was referring to.

I’ve been guilty of it myself it was more really just saying how we give ourselves a bit of disservice considering we have only had really ever had 16 awful years in 140+ years.

It was more me wondering why we see ourselves as a small club when our history suggests otherwise yet other people see teams like the three I mentioned as being bigger when they have had great spells at times but overall are no where near us in terms of years spent in the top division
Wasn't having a pop at you mate just used your post as it quoted that specific time period. ;)

My point is that the club is the only constant for me and, as long as it exists and has an opponent each week, then I'll be ok.

I get the history and am incredibly proud of it, but the truth is, the Premier League has overwritten that, They rarely mention any achievements gained before 93. They've destroyed the FA Cup and have, and continue to, take away the competitive element of the league itself, certainly for the likes of us anyway. That's not me being small time, it infuriates me to the point of hating the greed league and everything it stands for. I therefore don't think it's doing my club a disservice to say I'm not fussed about being out of it.
We can blame Lai, Dowling, Ken, Bilic, Allardyce or Murray the groundman's cat but they simply can't spend money they don't have and, even if they did, ffp would find a way of preventing it, in order to maintain it's brand leaders.

I'm proud of the club for what it has achieved, despite the corruption, bias and unfairness, that it faces, and will go down with my head held high and flashing a defiant V sign.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: So Happy
« on: May 11, 2021, 03:24:57 PM »
Throughout our history we’ve only really had one awful spell which was 86 - 02 now for some reason it’s like our fan base judge us on those years and think that whatever happens we are lucky to be where we are because of those years.

Other clubs have had excellent times in history forest, Leeds, wolves etc all 3 of those have had worse times than those 16 years of ours recently yet you would never know it.

Those 3 clubs are still considered by themselves and others as big clubs due to their successful periods.

For some reason we forget how good our spells were in the 50s, 60s & late 70s and as stated judge ourselves against those 16 years, don’t get it.

We have spent many more years in the top flight than those 3 teams mentioned.
Ok so let's turn this on it's head as, it seems, a lot of fans, myself included, are being called things like "smalltime", "shameful", "disrespectful of our history" for simply suggesting that we can enjoy life further down the leagues.

Well here's my story:

1st game 1978 and still the greatest team I have seen in our colours

1st European game 1978/79 Home only unfortunately, I was only a kid

1987 1st Season ticket and freedom to go home and away without dad. So those wilderness years were some of my most memorable, exciting wonderous times as a human being, let alone an Albion fan. It didn't matter that we were rubbish most of the time, or what league we were in, I went week in, week out, all over this wonderful country with some of the greatest, weirdest, funniest blokes I have ever met. Did I ever consider giving up or, god forbid, jumping ship? Not on your life.

The best home game I have ever attended also happened within those years against Swansea (no, not Liverpool or Man Utd.), just little old Swansea in the Play off semi of 1993.

My first trip to Wembley, yes you've guessed it Port Vale 1993. Best Baggies day ever.

I was on the pitch in 2002
and again for the Great Escape.

No-one can question my loyalty, commitment or respect for this fabulous club. In fact I would say it's the opposite, I think accepting whatever level we play at is more respectful than constantly criticising the club for not being where we "should be"

Throughout all of those years, the one thing I always had was hope. The Premier League has now managed to remove that. Regardless of our history or prestige, we simply cannot compete, for 1 reason and 1 reason only, and that is money. It doesn't matter where we think we should be, we are, at any point in time, exactly where we are and I think it far more disrespectful to slag of my club for something that is pretty much out of their control.

So for that reason, yes, I am happy to go down and play in a league were anyone really can beat anyone, where referees are not corrupt, where VAR cannot intervene, to placate the money men, and yes, where we win more games!
Ask my missus, daughter, the dog or the cat, I am happy when the Baggies win, so yes, I may be fickle but....

Roll on August

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: May 10, 2021, 03:21:22 PM »
The players were mentally weak, as was Bilic. That has certainly improved under Allardyce.

I also think the physical fitness was lacking, because the motivation had gone. We got overrun very early on in games because we were both physically, and mentally, ill prepared.
Just a hunch but I would suggest the players that are now on the pitch were deemed to have the mettle required and those that aren't didn't. In the manager's eyes of course.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Hal Robson-Kanu
« on: May 10, 2021, 03:12:53 PM »
He hasn't scored in the league since World War 1 has he?
Edited that for you mate. ;)

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Which is better?
« on: May 10, 2021, 01:56:46 PM »
Is league 1 a typo? It must be surely. You have to aim to be the best you can be, in anything. And being top of the third tier certainly does not equate to being the best, no way.
It's not about aspirations it's about what you would celebrate more, as a fan.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Which is better?
« on: May 10, 2021, 01:53:33 PM »
I can't remember being much happier than when we finished 17th under Robson.
That was great as a one off and is another of my favourite memories and you've sort of hit the nail on the head. As a fan, I live for days like that and they make all of the disappointments worthwhile. I don't remember celebrating too much any other time we stayed up though, just didn't have the same impact, whereas every promotion is memorable..

I'm not saying for a minute I don't want us to succeed, it's just how we measure success and accept failure.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Which is better?
« on: May 10, 2021, 12:45:20 PM »
Small wonder we're ridiculed by the likes of Vile and the d1ngle5. I'll leave it there.

Presumably you guys find this cathartic, I think it's utter ********, and an embarrassment to the history and foundations of our great club...
Who cares about them? We laugh at them and their delusions of grandeur. Yet, if we are realistic about our chances we are smalltime?
They've spent money we could only dream of and for what?

The history and foundations of the club contain many failures and successes and any fan surely accepts that you can't have one without accepting the other.

It's certainly not an embarrassment to see us want to succeed and challenge rather than just existing as whipping boys for others simply because they have more money.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Which is better?
« on: May 10, 2021, 12:34:13 PM »
Seems a bit of a loaded choice.  What about being in the top 7 in the championship and playing attractive football with a fair contingent of homegrown players?
I went for extremes to promote debate and it's clearly worked!

Perhaps the title was misleading though. It's not about what we want for the club but instead, what makes us happier.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Which is better?
« on: May 10, 2021, 12:29:18 PM »
So the solution is a Championship relegation battle as opposed to a Premier League one? Leave that to the likes of Peterborough United thanks.
I'm not suggesting it as a solution, of course I don't want us relegated again, it's more a case of, in which scenario would you, hand on heart, be happier?

For me it's about the club and my connection to it, through thick and thin, and I'm just happier when we are winning, regardless of the opposition.

Promotion from Division 2 is still one of my greatest memories and will likely remain so until I pop my clogs and I wouldn't have had that without the relegation that preceded it.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Which is better?
« on: May 10, 2021, 12:21:25 PM »
To be top of League 1 we would need to have been bottom 3 of the Championship. No thanks.

And no offence I sincerely hope yours is the only vote for that outcome. Small-time would be an understatement if that standpoint gained any traction among Albion supporters.
I'm speaking purely as a supporter of 40 odd years and I would just rather see us winning.

The reason I put League 1 instead of the Championship was to illicit your first line response and to stress that relegation is never the end, there is always light at the end of the tunnel.

As for being small time, I have no control over that, as it all boils down to money and my standpoint has no effect on that whatsoever. I could want us to win the Champions League, it won't make it happen.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Which is better?
« on: May 10, 2021, 12:01:22 PM »
Ok, so we've gone again and it's predominantly doom and gloom but, as a 40 odd year supporter, I for one will shed no tears and am glad that we are now in a league where we can actually compete and aspire to something. To the extent that I would rather be sitting at the top of League 1 than begging for scraps at the bottom of the greed league.
Just wondered if I'm just being fickle as I prefer it when we're winning.

A couple of stats to bear in mind:
We have NEVER won more than we've lost in a Prem season
NOR have we scored more than we've conceded.

There's just no fun in that!!!
That's under different owners and multiple DoF's and managers.
The sad truth is, when it comes to the greed league, we are priced out of it and, with no sign of that changing, I'm happy to take their money and get the hell outta there.

What's everybody else think?

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: West Bromwich Albion (R)
« on: May 10, 2021, 09:28:12 AM »
Key Reason

-  Totally insufficient budget. Resp Lai

Contributory Reasons

-  In-balanced squad. Resp Dowling/Bilic
-  Poor contribution from signings. Grant, Diangana, Ivanovic. Resp Dowling/Bilic
-  Lack of fitness. Resp Bilic
-  Failure to get deserved points and momentum early on. Resp REF/VAR, Gibbs (Everton), SJ (Spurs/Chelsea) MP (3 game ban)
-  Going backwards before we went forwards. Resp Allardyce
Nicely summed up mate, saved me some ink! Just missed one factor, and for me, the main one, and that is the Premier League itself.

We could get all the other things right and still fail, simply because we have less money than everyone else and the fault for that lies firmly at the door of the Premier League and the fact that it has allowed, nay encouraged, it to become such a corrupt, unfair, biased, uneven "competition".

We would pretty much have to put ourselves on the brink of extinction to truly compete in that god forsaken league.
Roll on August.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: May 10, 2021, 09:09:24 AM »
Agree about the lack of quality.

It really worries me. I don’t see the same things that some others seem to see - that we have a team ready to be unleashed that’ll tear up the Championship.

I’m afraid I see just the opposite. This looks like a team composed largely of mid-level Championship players, and the results over almost 18 months tend to provide evidence to support that view.

I suppose it’s the conclusion from hard data stripped of wishful blue-and-white thinking.

We have significant weaknesses in every department, and unless there’s significant surgery coupled with some skilled coaching/management, I fear we’re going down in the worst shape we’ve been in for around 20 years.

This is a huge Summer for the club. The decisions made in the next few weeks may go a long way to determining what happens over the next 5-10 years, or possibly even longer.
You are totally under-estimating the massive difference between Prem and Championship. Every player in last night's starting 11 is top 6 Championship.
I know we'll lose the loanees but we will be well placed, financially, to replace them.

Allardyce did himself no favours with the Diange for Kanu nonsense substitution, but, with or without him, we will challenge next year, I have no doubt whatsoever.
Roll on August.

Last Match Forum - 09/05 Arsenal (A) / Re: In Game Chat
« on: May 09, 2021, 07:43:55 PM »
Defending let us down yet again, :o
Sometimes it’s just good finishing.
Our heads have gone now and they are enjoying it. Easy win for them and we look to August.

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