[Aztech]

I don’t. His terms are likely to get us promoted..

I’d suggest if Allardyce is in charge our best hope will be via the play offs as we won’t win enough games to secure automatic promotion.

Whilst Sheffield United have been very poor this season it’s unlikely they will make the wholesale changes Fulham and ourselves will make.
Fulham will also spend far money in their search for a quick return.

[LiamTheBaggie]

Personally I don’t care how we go up as long as we do.

Allardyce is our best bet at achieving that when you consider the other options.

[baggie82]

How on earth have you concluded that they enjoyed losing for Bilic but didn’t for Allardyce? Seems like speculation to me.

They may well have been sulking a little after Bilic left but I would suspect they’ve enjoyed the last 10 games far more than the first 10.

Allardyce’s first four home games we managed to lose 17-0 and in between got knocked out of the fa cup at Blackpool. The prior four home games finished 6-2 (includes the Palace game which similar to villa game in that we got a red card early and then hammered) but it included four points being picked up. We couldn’t even score a goal under Big Sam’s new tactics. That run of humiliating results at home is astonishing and it was obvious the players hated every minute of what had gone on and what they were being asked to do.

No doubt we improved February onwards after the new signings came in but it was too late.

[gazberg]

Small piece on Sam just gone online by the Mirror saying as expected wants to know who's going and who isn't. Cant discuss it here of course but there's also a comment on who they are likely to turn too if they break from Sam if you are interested

[cads_ap_albion]

Sam won't be here. I would be staggered if we agree on his demands on Wednesday.
He will be asking for phenomenal wages and bonuses, plus assurances.

We have to make it worth his while and I just cannot see it as we will be in penny pinching mode.

[Groovephil]

Sam won't be here. I would be staggered if we agree on his demands on Wednesday.
He will be asking for phenomenal wages and bonuses, plus assurances.

We have to make it worth his while and I just cannot see it as we will be in penny pinching mode.

I kinda of agree with that, we'll know exactly how serious the board are if they pull the plug on Sam and go for a cheap option.

[hardtobeat]

Personally I don’t care how we go up as long as we do.

Allardyce is our best bet at achieving that when you consider the other options.

Not sure how you can say that when you don’t know what the other options are

[Hunnington Baggie]

I kinda of agree with that, we'll know exactly how serious the board are if they pull the plug on Sam and go for a cheap option.

who constitutes a cheap option?

[TheJacko2000]

who constitutes a cheap option?

In this scenario anyone who isn't Allardyce.  The point is if Allardyce walks it's because we have not matched his ambition to get promoted in year one.

That should be extremely worrying to all of us if it transpires.

[Baggies]

I don’t fully see it as a case that Allardyce going = the club have no ambition to get promoted.

Allardyce and Albion will have the same aim of an immediate return to the premier league, but while the board need to also factor in planning for the 2022/23 season (in the event of us falling short), Allardyce will know that failure to get up next season probably means he leaves, so the decisions he may favour could well be very short termist.

Palace for instance are probably going to release a handful of players who have been the bedrock of their side in recent years - players there under Allardyce’s reign. Allardyce might look at Townsend, McCarthey, Schlupp, Van Aanholt, Cahill and Kelly and say they have it in them to still be very effective at a top championship side next year. They are all getting towards the twilight of their careers and will want significant wages, but Allardyce will ultimately only really care about next season - **** or bust.

The club on the other hand might need to consider if it is right to lay all of their eggs in one basket and gamble on next season at the detriment of having a decent chance in the second season, should it be needed. They might want to invest in younger players again who will still play a part the year after.

It’s hard to predict what Allardyce will want, but there is an entirely possible scenario that the money will be there for players to the level Allardyce would want, but maybe not the level of control.

[boinging_along]

In this scenario anyone who isn't Allardyce.  The point is if Allardyce walks it's because we have not matched his ambition to get promoted in year one.

That should be extremely worrying to all of us if it transpires.

Or that he's asking for more money than we think is reasonable?
Or that he asks for a huge promotion bonus.
Or that he wants certain players out of the club regardless of price.
Or that he wants to have more say over transfers and agents than we're willing to relinquish.
Or that he doesn't feel like doing a season in the Championship.

I doubt any of those are true but there's loads of reasons why he might not stay - not just the club taking a cheap option.

[boinging_along]

Personally I don’t care how we go up as long as we do.

Allardyce is our best bet at achieving that when you consider the other options.

What are the other options?

[tuamigos]

Or that he's asking for more money than we think is reasonable?
Or that he asks for a huge promotion bonus.
Or that he wants certain players out of the club regardless of price.
Or that he wants to have more say over transfers and agents than we're willing to relinquish.
Or that he doesn't feel like doing a season in the Championship.

I doubt any of those are true but there's loads of reasons why he might not stay - not just the club taking a cheap option.

No disrespect here, but how long have you been a fan?
We always take the cheap option.
The board even put a bet on at the bookies before the 68 cup final so that if we won, the bet would cover the win bonus

[cads_ap_albion]

Or that he's asking for more money than we think is reasonable?
Or that he asks for a huge promotion bonus.
Or that he wants certain players out of the club regardless of price.
Or that he wants to have more say over transfers and agents than we're willing to relinquish.
Or that he doesn't feel like doing a season in the Championship.

I doubt any of those are true but there's loads of reasons why he might not stay - not just the club taking a cheap option.

These will be an issue. Trust me, we will not meet his demands. We have paid him a fortune this year.

The other option you have missed out- is a new owner who doesn't want him...

[wbatillidie]

In this scenario anyone who isn't Allardyce.  The point is if Allardyce walks it's because we have not matched his ambition to get promoted in year one.

That should be extremely worrying to all of us if it transpires.

Or maybe they won't think he's worth what he is demanding, because you know, he hasn't delivered on what he said he would.

[baggiejohn]

These will be an issue. Trust me, we will not meet his demands. We have paid him a fortune this year.

The other option you have missed out- is a new owner who doesn't want him...

Or alternatively - a new owner who insisted on him.

[smethwickw]

I'd rather we look to bring someone in who can work on a tight budget, scout the hidden gems and bring through the youngsters. I can't see Allardyce doing any of these. He's always spent wherever he's been and will want a large budget to stay.

[Hunnington Baggie]

These will be an issue. Trust me, we will not meet his demands. We have paid him a fortune this year.

The other option you have missed out- is a new owner who doesn't want him...

wasn’t the report that part of the reason Sam was brought here was because a potential owner wanted him here?

[BelgianBaggie]

I'd rather we look to bring someone in who can work on a tight budget, scout the hidden gems and bring through the youngsters.

Exactly.  How hard can it be?

[NJS]

At his age, he might be driven by short term thinking.  So he gets a big fat salary and bonus and complete control over player spending (dangerous) buys old-pro players with max two years in them.  If he gets us promoted, he leaves because he knows he's exhausted our money. 
Leaving us in the same position as we entered the 20-21 season or worse. 

If he doesn't get the blank cheque he demands, then he walks away muttering about lack of ambition.  In the football world ambition = (wild) spending of other people's money

[Hull Baggie]

Or maybe they won't think he's worth what he is demanding, because you know, he hasn't delivered on what he said he would.

what did he say he would do?

[BelgianBaggie]

At his age, he might be driven by short term thinking.  So he gets a big fat salary and bonus and complete control over player spending (dangerous) buys old-pro players with max two years in them.  If he gets us promoted, he leaves because he knows he's exhausted our money. 
Leaving us in the same position as we entered the 20-21 season or worse. 

If he doesn't get the blank cheque he demands, then he walks away muttering about lack of ambition.  In the football world ambition = (wild) spending of other people's money

Or he might not.

[mulliganstired]

I've been totally knackered by the last few years roller coaster and I can't get my head round whether I want him to stay as our best short term bounceback option, or whether I'd rather do a Norwich and find a younger man with the staying power for a five year plan to rebuild with the hidden gems referred to above.  Maybe its the Covid and the issue that shall not be named as well, but I am really unable to work out what I think is best here.

[glosterbaggie]

Has he not already signed a contract for 18 months with a break if we don't go up?
I know it is football but really he has failed ( I well understand the reasons why)
So really is it his £££ or the control of the team more the issue?

[MarkW]

Has he not already signed a contract for 18 months with a break if we don't go up?
I know it is football but really he has failed ( I well understand the reasons why)
So really is it his £££ or the control of the team more the issue?

It's a break at the end of this season if we didn't stay up. But yes, he's contracted for another 12 months.