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General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: August 11, 2014, 08:53:13 AM »
Eh? You haven't tried to support him at all. The season hasn't even started and your posting this.

Oh so you think everything is ok do you?

I hope I'm proved wrong but if the past three games are anything to go by, next Saturday is going to be a laugh.....for all the wrong reasons!!

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General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: August 11, 2014, 08:26:03 AM »
I said that a few months ago to be honest. Theres too many chiefs, we need someone out there to call the shots. There doesnt seem to be any ownership overall with clear authority because the role of Manager has been watered down.

If a player is out of line, who gives him a rollocking? Irvine? Then what if Burton gets called in and agrees with the player?

As you say, it's ridiculous. However, it is what it is and that is why people need to get their head around the different roles.

100% agree mate. Clarity is important in any business.

Even more so with so much spotlight and focus from the outside like in football.

Burton seems to have moved himself out of the spotlight somewhat in the past three weeks (in fact, since Mervyn Day was appointed). I don't know if anybody else has noticed this.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: August 11, 2014, 08:17:03 AM »
It does matter though:

A Manager runs the club from top to bottom, puts in his own scouting network, manages the budget and everything.

A Head Coach tells Burton where he feels the squad is lacking, the player database is then referred to. Head Coach has no say on where the money goes, doesn't have a scouting team, can't bring in his own staff. The Head Coach just trains and picks the team.

The sooner everyone knows the difference between the two roles the better.

I do know the difference - I'm saying that when those players cross the white line, he holds the same responsiblities as a proper designated 'Manager'.

If thats not the case, then me or you may as well do it because nobody will be responsible for anything.

Burton/Garlick/Day/Irvine and the likes will blame each other.

Irvine proved that with the 'I didn't see Ideye aside from a DVD' quote.

That translates to 'If Ideye is s**t, don't blame me'.

Ridiculous model to work in.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: August 11, 2014, 07:30:47 AM »
We haven't had a 'Manager' since Tony Mowbray.

Exactly my point.

Although we appoint Head Coaches, you still need somebody who's going to make managerial decisions at crucial times.

I'm not interested how good a coach he is, we already know that.

I want to know if he'll be able to make the BIG decisions on a Saturday afternoon where his coaching methods/skills count for very little.

Invariably, thus far, I believe the answer to that will be no.

Roy H was head coach, but was a Manger in the past and knew exactly what was required when things were going wrong.

You can't keep appointing 'Number 2' type coaches. It simply doesn't work. That's the point I'm making.

Agree????

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General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: August 11, 2014, 06:43:38 AM »

I, like others, have tried to support Alan Irvine although I thought from the outset that it was a ridiculous appointment.

Yes, Irvine has had to deal with injuries but there is no method, no pace, no idea and the defending is pathetic.

The team looks devoid of ideas and the books stops with the coaching staff.

What worries me is that JP will give Irvine at least 10 games so that people can't say 'I told you so' if he were to sack him after four or five.

Irvine is a good coach, of that I've no doubt.

West Bromwich Albion 'Manager'? Nah not for me, thank you.........

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: WBA - George Thorne
« on: July 08, 2014, 01:32:01 PM »

He's just another Darren Carter-esque sort of player who in a few years people will be saying 'What on earth happened to that George Thorne'....

He's not good enough - bye.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: June 17, 2014, 01:40:07 PM »

Has Terry Burton realised he meant to compare Alan Irvine to Buck Rogers, rather than Brendan Rodgers yet??

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General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: June 17, 2014, 09:46:06 AM »

Burton: "We understand there is disappointment but who is more disappointed? The people at Everton FC who know him."

Well if they're that upset me and my mate will drive him back there this afternoon!!!

Just let me know, Terry. I won't even charge for fuel....

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General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: June 17, 2014, 09:10:10 AM »

Terry Burton: 'We've got a fantastic coach'

Yes, Ellisons do us a fantastic deal!!! Leather seats, the works.....

Correct, great team coach!

FFS....

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General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: June 16, 2014, 05:49:36 PM »

Is there a picture of Alan Irvine holding up the new white pinstripe shower of poorness yet?

He'll be stood with Darren Carter, Richard Chaplow, Sean St. Ledger and Craig Beattie.

Four star studded signings for this year FFS.....

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General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: June 16, 2014, 05:11:46 PM »


Maybe a top player signing might help soften the blow

Alan Irvine - “My passion is for coaching and I believe my strength is on the training ground, which is where we need to get the work done.”

Translation - "All I have to do is coach, Richard and Terry will sign the players and then I'll have to make do with what I'm given"

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General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: June 16, 2014, 05:02:57 PM »
Well it's now been 48 hours since the news broke officially about Alan Irivne and I'd like to confirm I'm still as livid now as I was then.

In fact, now it's finally sunk in, I'm feeling even worse.

It's absolutely scandalous.

Two months before the start of the season and I'm already fearing relegation.

Pathetic.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: June 16, 2014, 11:31:46 AM »
It takes a lot for Albion fans to turn on their club, but Peace has managed it with aplomb. The last few months have been a complete and utter shambles.

The club lurches from one PR disaster to another on a seemingly weekly basis- it's obvious the board have no respect whatsoever for the fans of this club.

You can stick your pinstripes Jeremy.

When your club captain feels the need to call the club a shambles, what chance have you got?

This is just another instance in a long list of ridiculous decisions mainly based on saving money.

Place is a joke.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: June 16, 2014, 10:39:36 AM »
I've been thinking that maybe AI's appointment was a way to give Downing the job, by deflecting the heat away from him? Running things from the shadows, so to speak.

It didn't work, obviously....

The apparent love-in towards Downing and Kiely is just a total farce.

Tim Sherwood told you how thought of they are in as many words earlier today.

They're clueless.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: June 16, 2014, 10:20:03 AM »
I agree with Lloydy - the worst possible thing that could happen now is for us to accept the decision and return to our apathetic nature of 'what will be will be'.

We need to keep up the pressure on the board.

Irvine is just an unfortunate pawn in this mess.

Albion supporters have always been deemed loyal & patient.

I think JP has crossed the line this time; only so much people can take.

Particularly after saying 'lessons have been learnt'.....desperate.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: June 16, 2014, 07:55:25 AM »
Hi mate, welcome to the board! Seems a lot of Evertonians have soft spots WBA and I for one quite like Everton too, possibly aided by my mega dislike of Liverpool!

Can you shed any light on Irvine for us? Is he seen as responsible for bringing through and developing the strong youth breaking through at Everton. What positives can we take?

You don't need an Everton fan to do that mate. I can...he's desperate.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: June 16, 2014, 06:47:24 AM »

Yet another 'short term' appointment by a hire and fire chairman.

There is an interesting piece from an ITV journalist and WBA fan Daniel Hewitt who I have worked with in the past and he's spot on when he says that Albion (aside from RH) under Jeremy Peace have appointed a candidate that is 'grateful' for the opportunity.

Tony Mowbray was a gamble which worked for a time until he got found out in the PL, RDM had never managed higher than League One. SC had never managed but his time working for the likes of Jose Mourinho, Kenny Dalglish and Sir Bobby Robson gave people something to cling on to.

Pepe Mel was grateful of the chance to manage in England and it was seen as a change in philosophy if you like.

This appointment, however, is a complete, utter joke. Name me another club in the PL (or Championship for that matter) who would have appointed Alan Irvine?

That's not me slating Alan Irvine (who is a nice bloke), it's simply the fact that there are many better candidates suited to the role.

Just over two years ago we had the current England manager in charge of first team affairs, so why on earth are we now appointing a guy who got sacked from PNE and got Sheffield Wednesday relegated to League One?

Mid-table Championship club? This is more like a League One appointment, this guy got nowhere near the Wolves post when Kenny Jackett was appointed....that says it all.

Would Brighton & Hove Albion have considered Irvine? In short, they'd have screwed his application up and threw it in the bin immediately!

When Irvine is dismissed I'm going to apply for the job for the following reasons -

1) I've no experience
2) I'm cheap
3) I don't have any assistants to bring with me
4) Happy with loans and Bosmans
5) Will accept the blame when it goes wrong.

See you when I'm appointed.

Absolutely disgraceful 12-18 months at West Bromwich Albion which is not about to get any better in the slightest.

As for Rob Kelly......enough said.

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