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How would you rate Luke Dowlings tenure to date (26 may 2021)

Roaring success, we'll be lucky to keep him
2 (1.8%)
Doing well given the limitations he has to work under
9 (8.1%)
Ok
16 (14.4%)
Poor, could be doing better overall
49 (44.1%)
Abject, needs to be fired or walk,
35 (31.5%)

Total Members Voted: 111

Voting closed: June 05, 2021, 12:28:58 PM

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« Reply #25 on: September 19, 2020, 12:05:00 AM »
The posts on here slagging Dowling off whilst the transfer window is still open are pathetic. Last summer was an unmitigated success which led to promotion. This summer the recruitment is still ongoing. The earliest time to judge is once the window has closed (arguably through once the players in have succeeded or failed months later). Albeit the pro's and con's of whoever we have signed will need to be weighed up against our budget - which media reports have put at a pittance. All of the posts above slagging of our recruitment mid transfer window are are beyond an embarrassment.

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« Reply #26 on: September 19, 2020, 12:57:38 AM »
Has anyone let Dowling know that you can scout abroad yet ?

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« Reply #27 on: September 19, 2020, 02:01:41 AM »
Has anyone let Dowling know that you can scout abroad yet ?

I don't think so and before anybody says but we got Krovinovic and Perreira last season from overseas clubs they were Billics recommendations.

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« Reply #28 on: September 19, 2020, 08:53:36 AM »
The posts on here slagging Dowling off whilst the transfer window is still open are pathetic. Last summer was an unmitigated success which led to promotion. This summer the recruitment is still ongoing. The earliest time to judge is once the window has closed (arguably through once the players in have succeeded or failed months later). Albeit the pro's and con's of whoever we have signed will need to be weighed up against our budget - which media reports have put at a pittance. All of the posts above slagging of our recruitment mid transfer window are are beyond an embarrassment.

How can last summer be called an unmitigated success when we bought Zohore?


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« Reply #29 on: September 19, 2020, 08:55:19 AM »
I don't think so and before anybody says but we got Krovinovic and Perreira last season from overseas clubs they were Billics recommendations.
So now I understand it
Transfer kitty is split 50/50....if they are good it the euros that billic spent, if they are bad it’s English pounds.....
Was semi on holiday when we signed him?
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« Reply #30 on: September 19, 2020, 09:09:24 AM »
How can last summer be called an unmitigated success when we bought Zohore?

One that didnt work JC, the others were rather better so on the balance of probabilities I would say that our window was pretty good really......every club buys a lemon now and then.....look at villa, its a complete greengrocers.
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« Reply #31 on: September 19, 2020, 09:19:18 AM »
One that didnt work JC, the others were rather better so on the balance of probabilities I would say that our window was pretty good really......every club buys a lemon now and then.....look at villa, its a complete greengrocers.

Ok add Austin.  £12m of 19m spent. How is that absolute success. It’s not. It’s £12m that spent better  could have changed the requirements of this summer.

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« Reply #32 on: September 19, 2020, 10:09:38 AM »
Ok add Austin.  £12m of 19m spent. How is that absolute success. It’s not. It’s £12m that spent better  could have changed the requirements of this summer.
Your points valid, but the club will say that previously with Jrod,Gayle,Barnes...we didn’t get up....but with Austin, HRK, Zohore we did....?
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« Reply #33 on: September 19, 2020, 10:19:59 AM »
Has anyone let Dowling know that you can scout abroad yet ?

This makes me wonder, Downling used to be at Watford right? Well Watford has been recruiting most of their players/managers from overseas for a pretty long time going back to when Dowling was there. Who made those decisions?

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« Reply #34 on: September 19, 2020, 10:26:44 AM »
This makes me wonder, Downling used to be at Watford right? Well Watford has been recruiting most of their players/managers from overseas for a pretty long time going back to when Dowling was there. Who made those decisions?

Didn’t the Udinese owners own them? Or was that ages ago? Maybe they had a say
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« Reply #35 on: September 19, 2020, 02:09:13 PM »
Ok add Austin.  £12m of 19m spent. How is that absolute success. It’s not. It’s £12m that spent better  could have changed the requirements of this summer.

It was obviously a success as we got automatically promoted against the odds. Austin scored some very important goals last season.

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« Reply #36 on: September 19, 2020, 02:19:16 PM »
It was obviously a success as we got automatically promoted against the odds. Austin scored some very important goals last season.

You are missing the point. Correlation doesn’t imply causation, it’s far more nuanced than that. If you think our business last summer was unmitigated (which means absolute, couldn’t have been better) than I can’t help you.

It also wasn’t against the odds. We would have been one of the favourites. Half way through the season we were odds on.

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« Reply #37 on: September 19, 2020, 02:21:21 PM »
You are missing the point. Correlation doesn’t imply causation, it’s far more nuanced than that. If you think our business last summer was unmitigated (which means absolute, couldn’t have been better) than I can’t help you.

It also wasn’t against the odds. We would have been one of the favourites. Half way through the season we were odds on.

I've given up debating this mate.
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« Reply #38 on: September 19, 2020, 02:55:59 PM »
I know he's restricted with funds but he's had more misses than hits and for some strange reason is reluctant to go abroad. Would love if we could get rid and push boat out for Brentford man.

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« Reply #39 on: September 19, 2020, 03:00:10 PM »
You are missing the point. Correlation doesn’t imply causation, it’s far more nuanced than that. If you think our business last summer was unmitigated (which means absolute, couldn’t have been better) than I can’t help you.

It also wasn’t against the odds. We would have been one of the favourites. Half way through the season we were odds on.
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« Reply #40 on: September 19, 2020, 03:01:35 PM »
You are missing the point. Correlation doesn’t imply causation, it’s far more nuanced than that. If you think our business last summer was unmitigated (which means absolute, couldn’t have been better) than I can’t help you.

It also wasn’t against the odds. We would have been one of the favourites. Half way through the season we were odds on.

The issue I have is no club or technical director on this planet has ever had a perfect transfer window, so you've set a bar which is ludicrous. Our business last summer was a success, we rebuilt the team and got promoted. Of course we were odds on for promotion at the half-way stage, because the players the club signed had done so fantastically well. You can dress it up any way you like but you can't run from the fact that our transfer business last season was a success.

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« Reply #41 on: September 19, 2020, 03:14:27 PM »
The issue I have is no club or technical director on this planet has ever had a perfect transfer window, so you've set a bar which is ludicrous. Our business last summer was a success, we rebuilt the team and got promoted. Of course we were odds on for promotion at the half-way stage, because the players the club signed had done so fantastically well. You can dress it up any way you like but you can't run from the fact that our transfer business last season was a success.
success would be stretching it a bit, never sorted our problem up top. with the major issue of our striker's being over the hill in Austin's case and pee poor in the case of Zohore. Granted we achieved our objective but a blind man and his dog could see we have nothing up top to worry prem defences.

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« Reply #42 on: September 19, 2020, 03:21:43 PM »
success would be stretching it a bit, never sorted our problem up top. with the major issue of our striker's being over the hill in Austin's case and pee poor in the case of Zohore. Granted we achieved our objective but a blind man and his dog could see we have nothing up top to worry prem defences.

The remit last summer wasn't to bring in strikers that could tear up the premiership. It was to build a team to challenge for promotion. It's unusual to have to rebuild half a side from scratch in one summer and even more unusual to then get promoted off the back of that. Ajayi, Sawyers, Furlong, Austin, Pereira, Diangana,  Robinson (loan), Krov (loan) & Grosicki were all good signings. Particularly under a limited budget. Zohore was a failure. That's 9/10 signings that all contributed to our promotion. To claim calling that a success "is a bit of stretch" is ridiculous.

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« Reply #43 on: September 19, 2020, 03:23:13 PM »
The remit last summer wasn't to bring in strikers that could tear up the premiership. It was to build a team to challenge for promotion. It's unusual to have to rebuild half a side from scratch in one summer and even more unusual to then get promoted off the back of that. Ajayi, Sawyers, Furlong, Austin, Pereira, Diangana,  Robinson (loan), Krov (loan) & Grosicki were all good signings. Particularly under a limited budget. Zohore was a failure. That's 9/10 signings that all contributed to our promotion. To claim calling that a success "is a bit of stretch" is ridiculous.

This is a particularly strange hill to die on.
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« Reply #44 on: September 19, 2020, 03:28:12 PM »
This is a particularly strange hill to die on.

The transfer business that rebuild the squad was key to our successful promotion - which was a fantastic achievement. It's churlish not to recognise that.

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« Reply #45 on: September 19, 2020, 03:34:37 PM »
The transfer business that rebuild the squad was key to our successful promotion - which was a fantastic achievement. It's churlish not to recognise that.

He didn’t even have a remit to get us promoted it was a two year plan, which makes some of the business EVEN WORSE.
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« Reply #46 on: September 19, 2020, 03:36:46 PM »
The remit last summer wasn't to bring in strikers that could tear up the premiership. It was to build a team to challenge for promotion. It's unusual to have to rebuild half a side from scratch in one summer and even more unusual to then get promoted off the back of that. Ajayi, Sawyers, Furlong, Austin, Pereira, Diangana,  Robinson (loan), Krov (loan) & Grosicki were all good signings. Particularly under a limited budget. Zohore was a failure. That's 9/10 signings that all contributed to our promotion. To claim calling that a success "is a bit of stretch" is ridiculous.
remit last summer was to  bring in Striker's that would tear up chump surely?

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« Reply #47 on: September 19, 2020, 03:37:39 PM »
He didn’t even have a remit to get us promoted it was a two year plan, which makes some of the business EVEN WORSE.

Laughable. Promoted 12 months early and that makes the transfer business last summer worse. Ridiculous statement.

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« Reply #48 on: September 19, 2020, 03:39:25 PM »
remit last summer was to  bring in Striker's that would tear up chump surely?

We did that the season before and lost in the play-offs.

With our limited budget we have done well in the transfer market recently.

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« Reply #49 on: September 19, 2020, 04:09:47 PM »
8 million for Zohore and 4 million for Austin let your argument down both panic buys by Dowling. And before Pereira, Diangana and Krov are mentioned all recruited by Slaven.