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General Football & Sports / New criteria for managing in the UK.
« on: February 11, 2021, 07:15:48 AM »
Interesting read, particularly the bit that says foreign managers who are successful with their visa application will not automatically be able to bring their own foreign backroom staff in, unless they meet the criteria (which sounds unlikely).

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9246955/Brexit-BLOCK-foreign-bosses-FAs-new-rules-threaten-change-face-English-football.html

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Obscure Albion Players
« on: February 05, 2021, 10:19:05 AM »
Little game here - Who is the most obscure (10 or less appearances) Albion player you can think of?

Rules are:

1) They must have made a first team appearance (cup or league, not stiffs)
2) Players can only be listed once

I'll start - Alassane N'Dour

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West Bromwich Albion FC / WBA Greatest 16 of all time
« on: February 04, 2021, 08:39:00 PM »
This was an official poll conducted by the club around 2004-2005.

Have any Albion players over the last 15-16 years knocked anyone off the legends list?

Foster is in with a shout IMO.

What do you think? Here is the squad chosen by the fans:

RONNIE ALLEN

Born: Fenton, Stoke-on-Trent, January 1929
Died: Great Wyrley, June 2001
Centre-forward
West Bromwich Albion March 1950 to May 1961
Football League: 415 appearances, 208 goals
FA Cup: 42 appearances, 23 goals
Others: 1 appearance, 3 goals
Won an FA Cup winner's medal in 1953/54
Won a League Championship runners-up medal in 1953/54
England: 5 appearances, 2 goals

The complete footballer. The Puskas-like forward who helped Albion emulate the inspirational football of the great Hungarian side of the 1950s. Two great feet, played all along the forward line, reinvented the role of the centre-forward by dropping deep, a footballing intellect which won him five England caps. Scored twice in the 1954 FA Cup Final win. A visionary and a true giant of the club. Allen joined Albion from Port Vale in March 1950 and left for Crystal Palace in May 1961. Subsequently, he returned to act as scouting advisor from January to May 1977 then as manager from June 1977 to December 1977 before leaving to act as advisor to the Saudi Arabian national team. He returned as manager between July 1981and May 1982 and was general manager thereafter until June 1983, later acting as coach and scout at the club.


THE KING...Jeff Astle
JEFF ASTLE
Born: Eastwood, Nottingham, May 1942
Died: Burton-on-Trent, January 2002
Centre-forward
West Bromwich Albion September 1964 to May 1974
Football League: 290+2 appearances, 137 goals
FA Cup: 23 appearances, 14 goals
Football League Cup: 28 appearances, 19 goals
Others: 18 appearances, 4 goals
Won an FA Cup winner's medal in 1967/68
Won a Football League Cup winner's medal in 1965/66
Won two Football League Cup runners-up medals in 1966/67 and 1969/70
England: 5 appearances

'The King', simple as that. Albion's number nine in perpetuity as the Astle Gates now make clear. A thunderous header of the ball, supreme leader of the line, and the legendary scorer of the winner in the 1968 FA Cup Final. Only won five England caps. Astle joined Albion from NottsCounty and eventually left the club to finish his career in non-league football, playing for DunstableTown, Weymouth and Hillingdon Borough.

RAY BARLOW
Born: Swindon, August 1926
Left-half
West Bromwich Albion June 1944 to June 1960
Football League: 403 appearances, 31 goals
FA Cup: 46 appearances, 5 goals
Others: 33 appearances, 12 goals
Won an FA Cup winner's medal in 1953/54
Won a First Division Championship runners-up medal in 1953/54
Won a Second Division runners-up medal in 1948/49
England: 1 appearance

Perhaps Albion's most gifted ever player, Barlow was a supreme footballer with every attribute in the book, making him the perfect midfielder at left-half. Supreme positional sense, able to pass over distance or keep it simple, he was the heartbeat of arguably Albion's finest ever team in 1953/54, though he was criminally restricted to just one England cap. Barlow left Albion to play for Birmingham City in June 1960.

BILLY BASSETT
Born: West Bromwich, January 1869
Died: West Bromwich, April 1937
Outside right / inside right
West Bromwich Albion August 1886 to April 1899
Football League: 261 appearances, 6 goals
FA Cup: 40 appearances, 11 goals
Others: 10 appearances, 5 goals
Won two FA Cup winner's medals in 1887/88 and 1891/92.
Won an FA Cup runners-up medal in 1894/95
England: 16 appearances, 7 goals

Virtually the founder of what we know today as West Bromwich Albion, Bassett was a flying outside-right who scored goals, won two FA Cup winner's medals, played 16 times for England, and then went on to become an Albion director and chairman, completing 50 years' service with the club. Following his retirement as a player, Bassett served as a club director from March 1905, and was Chairman from September 1908 until his death.


BOMBER...Tony Brown
TONY BROWN
Born: Oldham, October 1945
Wing-half / inside-forward
West Bromwich Albion April 1961 to October 1981
Football League: 561+13 appearances, 218 goals
FA Cup: 53+1 appearances, 27 goals
Football League Cup: 46+1 appearances, 17 goals
Others: 44+1 appearances, 17 goals
Won an FA Cup winner's medal in 1967/68
Won a Football League Cup winner's medal in 1965/66
Won two Football League Cup runners-up medals in 1966/67 and 1969/70
Won promotion from Division Two in 1975/76
England: 1 appearance

Mr. Albion. Ron Atkinson reckons he should have his own statue in West Bromwich, which seems fair enough. Just one England cap, but League Cup and FA Cup honours and the undying gratitude of every Albion fan for his contribution to the club. Brown left Albion for Torquay United but returned to The Hawthorns as a coach under Johnny Giles from 1984 to 1986. He holds the record for most appearances and most goals for Albion, and is the record appearance holder and record goalscorer for the club in the League, FA Cup and European competition.

LAURIE CUNNINGHAM
Born: Archway, London, March 1956
Died: Madrid, July 1989
Winger
West Bromwich Albion March 1977 to June 1979
Football League: 81+5 appearances, 21 goals
FA Cup: 7+3 appearances, 3 goals
Football League Cup: 6 appearances
Others: 12 appearances, 6 goals
England: 3 appearances (career total 6 appearances)

Pace, grace, speed, style, trickery, ball control, balance, Cunningham was a natural born footballer. The first of the 'Three Degrees' to arrive at the Albion, he was the first black player to play for England Under-21s and by the time of his move to Real Madrid, the first Englishman to go there - 24 years before Beckham. Cunningham joined Albion from Orient and left for Real Madrid for just under £1million two years later. After playing at Real, he returned to England and won an FA Cup winner's medal with Wimbledon in 1988. He died in a car crash near Madrid a year later.


SAFE HANDS...Russell Hoult
RUSSELL HOULT
Born: Ashby-de-la-Zouch, November 1972
Goalkeeper
West Bromwich Albion January 2001 to date
Football League / Premier League: 139 appearances
FA Cup: 7 appearances
Football League Cup: 8 appearances
Others: 2 appearances

Another record breaker, registering a phenomenal 27 clean sheets in the promotion-winning campaign of 2001/2, Hoult is acclaimed as 'England's No.1' by Albion supporters. Utterly dependable.

DON HOWE
Born: Wolverhampton, October 1935
Right-back
West Bromwich Albion December 1950 to April 1964
Football League: 342 appearances, 17 goals
FA Cup: 37 appearances, 2 goals
England: 23 appearances

Another top class right-back, Howe represented Albion and England with great distinction, collecting 23 England caps and playing in the 1958 World Cup. An astute reader of the game, he was one of the first attacking full-backs and would make a brilliant wing-back in the modern game. Howe left Albion for Arsenal in April 1964, later becoming coach of the team that won the double in 1970/71. He took over as Albion manager in July 1971 but the club was relegated in the 1972/73 season, Howe leaving his job in April 1975. He subsequently coached Galatasaray, Leeds, Arsenal and Wimbledon among others, and was England's chief coach during Bobby Robson's tenure as manager of the national side.

WILLIE JOHNSTON

Born: Maryhill, Glasgow, December 1946
Outside-left
West Bromwich Albion December 1972 to March 1979
Football League: 203+4 appearances, 18 goals
FA Cup: 24+2 appearances, 6 goals
Football League Cup: 15 appearances, 2 goals
Others: 12+1 appearances, 2 goals
Won promotion to Division One in 1975/76
Scotland: 13 appearances (career total 22 appearances)

The biggest crowd pleaser of the last 30 years or more, left winger Willie had more tricks up his sleeve than Paul Daniels. Close control, lightning acceleration, rapport with the crowd and an endearing habit of taking the mickey out of referees, nobody has ever entertained more people at The Hawthorns than the great Willie who won 13 Scottish caps with Albion. Johnston joined Albion from Rangers for £135,000, then a club record buy, and left for Vancouver Whitecaps in the wake of being sent home from the World Cup in 1978. On retirement, he initially stayed in the game, coaching at Hearts, East Fife, Raith Rovers and Falkirk.

JOHN OSBORNE
Born: Barlborough, Derbyshire, December 1940
Died: November 1999
Goalkeeper
West Bromwich Albion January 1967 to June 1972; January 1973 to July 1978.
Football League: 250 appearances
FA Cup: 24 appearances
Football League Cup: 16 appearances
Others: 22 appearances
Won an FA Cup winner's medal in 1967/68
Won a Football League Cup runners-up medal in 1969/70
Won promotion from Division Two in 1975/76

Albion's 'bionic' goalkeeper, Ossie was a martyr to injury and had a plastic strip in one of his fingers. A crowd favourite, he won the FA Cup with Albion in 1968 and was the leader of the club's team on the BBC's Quiz Ball show where he was a natural. As a youngster he represented England schoolboys as a wing-half. Osborne joined Albion from Chesterfield, retiring in June 1972 before returning to the club six months later. He finally left the club to join Johnny Giles at Shamrock Rovers in 1978.

JESSE PENNINGTON

Born: West Bromwich, August 1883
Died: Kidderminster, September 1970
Left-back
West Bromwich Albion March 1903 to May 1922
Football League: 455 appearances
FA Cup: 39 appearances
Others: 2 appearances
Won a League Championship winner's medal in 1919/20
Won a Second Division Championship winner's medal in 1910/11
Won an FA Cup runner's up medal in 1911/12
England: 25 appearances

An all-time legend, Pennington was an elegant left-back and a peerless captain of the club. An automatic choice for 19 years, his career was interrupted by World War One, but that didn't stop him captaining the club to their only League title, as well as playing in the Division Two winning team of 1910/11 and the losing FA Cup side in 1912. Played for England 25 times, captaining the side on occasion. Pennington returned to act as a scout for Albion from 1950 to 1960 and was made a life member of the club in 1969.


POWERHOUSE...Cyrille Regis
CYRILLE REGIS
Born: Maripiasoula, French Guyana, February 1958
Centre-forward
West Bromwich Albion May 1977 to October 1984
Football League: 233+4 appearances, 82 goals
FA Cup: 25 appearances, 10 goals
Football League Cup: 27+1 appearances, 16 goals
Others: 12 appearances, 4 goals
England: 4 appearances (career total 5 appearances)

The closest we've come to filling Jeff's boots, Regis was an astonishing, explosive athlete, built like Joe Frazier, ran like Linford Christie, scored goals like 'Roy of the Rovers'. Cyrille is the man. Regis joined Albion from non-league Hayes and left for Coventry City seven years later where he won an FA Cup winner's medal in 1987. He returned to Albion as a coach in 1997 but left the club at the end of the 1999/2000 season.

W G RICHARDSON
Born: Framwellgate Moor, CountyDurham, May 1909
Died: Birmingham, March 1959
Centre-forward
West Bromwich Albion June 1929 to November 1945
Football League: 320 appearances, 202 goals
FA Cup: 34 appearances, 26 goals
Others: 90 appearances, 100 goals
Won an FA Cup winner's medal in 1930/31
Won an FA Cup runners-up medal in 1934/35
Won a Second Division runners-up medal in 1930/31
England: 1 appearance

A true Albion legend. The firepower behind 1931's glorious double - scoring both goals in the FA Cup Final win over Blues and the winner in the promotion clincher the following week - and an Albion stalwart right through the war. First to 200 league goals (202 in total), scored ten hat-tricks, four goals four times, won one England cap. After retiring as a player, WG Richardson was Albion's assistant-trainer-coach from June 1946 until his death in March 1959. He is the club's record goalscorer in all games, though 100 of these came in wartime fixtures.

BRYAN ROBSON
Born: Witton Gilbert, CountyDurham, January 1957
Central midfielder
West Bromwich Albion September 1972 to October 1981
Football League: 194+4 appearances, 39 goals
FA Cup: 10+2 appearances, 2 goals
Football League Cup: 17+1 appearances, 2 goals
Others: 14 appearances, 3 goals
England: 13 appearances (career total 90 appearances, 26 goals)

An Albion legend who could just as easily play at centre-half as centre midfield, Robson had everything. He could tackle, pass, score goals and should have been an England regular without having to leave for Manchester United to achieve it. And all this despite breaking his leg three times at the start of his Albion career. Robson left Albion for Manchester United for a then-record fee of £1.5million. At Old Trafford, he won a clean sweep of the domestic honours as well as the European Cup Winners' Cup and captained England on a regular basis. After retiring as a player, he has managed Middlesbrough and Bradford City.

DEREK STATHAM
Born: Wolverhampton, March 1959
Left-back
West Bromwich Albion July 1975 to August 1987
Football League: 298+1 appearances, 8 goals
FA Cup: 26 appearances, 2 goals
Football League Cup: 34 appearances, 1 goal
Others: 14 appearances
England: 3 appearances

Supremely gifted and athletic full-back, Statham was as good going forward as he was defending, ghosting past players in his own penalty area and the opposition's. Won three England caps, should have had 70 more, there hasn't been a left-back like him anywhere since. Statham left Albion to join Southampton after an earlier move to Liverpool had fallen through. He later played for Walsall and StokeCity.

JOHN WILE
Born: Sherburn, CountyDurham, March 1947
Centre-half
West Bromwich Albion December 1970 to June 1983
Football League: 499+1 appearances, 24 goals
FA Cup: 42 appearances, 2 goals
Football League Cup: 42 appearances, 2 goals
Others: 35 appearances, 1 goal
Won promotion to Division One in 1975/76

Albion's skipper throughout the glorious Atkinson era and beyond, Wile formed an almost impenetrable centre-half pairing with Ally Robertson. Unlucky never to win an England cap, his most famous moment came when he played with blood pouring from a head wound in the 1978 FA Cup semi-final. John Wile joined Albion from Peterborough United and left for the same club to take charge as its player-manager. He returned to the club as chief executive from the late 1990s until 2002.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Chances of survival
« on: December 17, 2020, 04:46:40 PM »
I would say the chances of staying up are now 50/50 as opposed to 80/20 (in the favour of relegation) under Bilic.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / The Hawthorns post lockdown
« on: November 28, 2020, 04:42:20 PM »
Has anyone decided they don’t miss football and won’t bother returning post lockdown?


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General Football & Sports / Uefa Europa Conference League
« on: September 15, 2020, 08:42:16 PM »
If you thought the Europa League was mickey mouse wait until you hear about this one.

Starting 2021 and the winners of the League/Carabao Cup are granted a place in this prestigious competition.

The third tier of European competitions ranking beneath the Europa League.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/54133192

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West Bromwich Albion FC / 2020/2021 EPL Season
« on: August 20, 2020, 07:46:23 AM »
It’s early days but what is your gut feeling so far?

At the moment I can’t see anything other than relegation but not 20th.

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General Football & Sports / EPL adjusted stadia capacity
« on: August 19, 2020, 01:34:05 PM »
How many fans every Premier League club could have in their stadiums with one metre social distancing measures in place.

Football is being played out in front of no fans right now but soon we could have them back in stadiums in England.

We are set to see pilot events in September with some fans in attendance and if they are successful we will soon see spectators in all grounds.

Capacity will be limited and those attending will have to adhere to new codes of behaviour which may mean no singing or shouting so as to respect social distancing measures.

There will also be crowd management in place with staggered entry times and plenty of hand sanitising points.

But how full might stadiums be when we do eventually get fans back into them?

Well, Liberty Games have done some calculations and found out how many supporters would get in on the premise of one metre social distancing measures.


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West Bromwich Albion FC / From Buzaglo to Balis
« on: August 16, 2020, 10:44:09 PM »
Got hand delivered this afternoon. Enjoying it so far. This is very much ‘my Albion’ that are being referred to throughout.

I doubt I’ll ever feel such an affinity to a squad like the 2001/2002 promotion winning side.

https://frombtob.co.uk/

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West Bromwich Albion FC / What is the Albion to you?
« on: August 02, 2020, 01:21:18 PM »
The Albion to me is, familiarity, my constant.

When I think of ‘The Albion’ I think of going to the game with a few close mates, meeting up at 1:30pm for a stroll to the ground, walking the same route each time and seeing familiar faces on the way at exactly the same sort of time/place, milling around in the concourses until one of us say ‘are you ready?’ then we’ll walk up to our seats.

Looking at the programme and familiarising myself with the opposition players names/numbers, Faithless Isomnia, The Liquidator, the smell of the grass, the blinding sun, looking at the away fans and occasionally picking one out thinking ‘what’s your life story’, the standing up at half time flicking through the programme, the mad rush back to seats with seconds to spare of the second half starting, the inevitable ‘halfords give us a song’ if we are in jovial spirits, my mate always demanding a sub on the hour whatever the result, the huddle down the stairs at the final whistle and walk back down the same route we came until the crowds disperse around Trinity Way, heading for a pint and to discuss the game. Then say goodbye until the next time.

I miss it!

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Return to The Hawthorns
« on: July 15, 2020, 01:05:30 PM »
How do you think this will look and when do you think this will be?

I can envisage one way systems, no leaving seats, every other seat empty, no concourse open for half time, no bars and eateries open, masks to be worn etc.

I reckon we will return in September based on the above but will be a right mare with some season ticket holders missing out based on loyalty points and length of service.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Promotion?
« on: July 11, 2020, 06:06:18 PM »
Today was painful and we are making hard work of it. I am going out on a limb and say I expect us to go up because Brentford will fold, not because we win the next three.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / New kits 20/21
« on: July 07, 2020, 10:50:51 PM »
First mock ups or genuine leaks?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/832788543495740/permalink/3011701905604382/

Do we know how long the deal is with Puma? Hummel are making some great looking kits at the moment.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Kids at The Albion
« on: June 10, 2020, 10:53:16 PM »
My daughter made her debut at just before 4 (last September) she loved it and we went up twice since.

For those with kids - how old were yours before you got them a season ticket? I’m thinking the season after the 5th birthday which will be August 2021.

Is this too early? The odd game here or there she loves but don’t want to frighten her off by going too often too soon. Or putting her off on those cold Saturday afternoons. Suppose I should take it game by game, night kick offs would be a no go anyway.

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General Football & Sports / AFC Wimbledon
« on: May 03, 2020, 09:14:42 AM »
What a great sight for all football fans, not only Wimbledon!

Clear signs of progress at Plough Lane with pictures of our home turf!

https://www.afcwimbledon.co.uk/news/2020/may/clear-signs-of-progress-at-plough-lane-with-pictures-of-our-home-turf/

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Announcements, Feedback & Questions / Banned?
« on: April 21, 2020, 04:39:30 PM »
I can get onto the forum via iPad but not via iPhone, it says I have been banned forever for calling someone a ‘compete bellend’, which I haven’t  ???

Could someone take a look please?

Screenshots sent to Oldburywba@hotmail account.

Cheers

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General Football & Sports / The Gay Footballer
« on: July 23, 2019, 03:36:13 PM »
I'm a professional footballer, currently playing in The Championship. I will reveal my identity soon, but I am a PROUD gay man.

24/07/2019

https://twitter.com/footballergay


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West Bromwich Albion FC / Play Offs
« on: May 08, 2019, 01:18:21 PM »
It will be an absolute miracle if we go up IMO.

We have to be 4th favourites.

Even if we do go up it will be a long hard season because Shan will be given the gig full time seeing as ‘he will have earnt it’.

I think Leeds will do it.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Are we skint?
« on: May 04, 2019, 08:39:11 AM »
Just a few things I have picked up recently. I’m not ITK it is just a general assessment.

* Overdraft for the first time in 10 years
* Early bird season ticket, effectively collecting the cash two months earlier
* New home kits released with one game plus play offs left, effectively collecting the cash three months early
* Low salary appointments of Head Coach in Big Dave and Jimmy
shan

We only get the benefit of an overdraft once and you only get the benefit of early birds and early kits income early once. It’s the same as having a cash advance from your employer.

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General Football & Sports / Footballers as Law/Accountancy Firms
« on: February 21, 2019, 01:00:21 PM »
Shamelessly stolen from another forum but it is an amusing one worth stealing.

Which ex or current footballers have names that sound like Law/Accountancy firms?

Mason Holgate - best one for me  ;D

Clarke Carlisle

Jacob Murphy

Morgan Gibbs-White

David Davis

Alberto Moreno

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West Bromwich Albion FC / West Bromwich who?
« on: February 06, 2019, 03:51:18 PM »
Bit of a pointless discussion but I'm a thinker and this subject has crossed my mind more than once!

It's not very common amongst 'big' clubs but the smaller non-league clubs go out of business quite often and then often re-brand as something else.

If we were to follow that unfortunate path what would your choice of new club name be?

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If anyone is interested please see the link.

£2 per strip raising money for Macmillan Cancer Research and Jinglers FC (Crown & Anchor, West Brom).

http://www.selectlifestyles.co.uk/kieran-gibbs-signed-west-brom-squad-shirt/

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Some EFL clubs want to stop printing match programmes for every game.

The Football League has been asked whether publishing one for each league match should continue to be a requirement next season.

Clubs are concerned about declining sales and increased costs and will vote on the issue at their meeting in June.

The EFL will continue to produce programmes for all its major games, including the Carabao Cup final and all three play-off finals.

Collecting programmes remains a popular hobby, with six fairs being held in England and another in Northern Ireland, during May.

There are many examples of programmes being sold for sums in excess of £1,000.

In 2014, a copy of the 1901 FA Cup final programme between Tottenham and Sheffield United was sold for £19,000 at auction.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43955431

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West Bromwich Albion FC / 2018-2019 Season
« on: April 17, 2018, 02:01:22 PM »
This poll is assuming (which is very highly likely) that we will be relegated.

What is you immediate gut feeling on next season?

It's very early days and we don't know who will be staying, who will be going or who will be signing.

I would like to think we will come back and rebuild but I think the likelihood is we will probably finish around the 8-12th mark. 


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