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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Adam Reach signs
« on: August 02, 2021, 10:56:46 PM »
Not all signings can be for the first 11. As mentioned earlier, if he's a filler then that's far better than the likes of Peltier, Hoolhan, Mears etc of the past.

Let's see how he gets on before judging him. He's not even kicked a ball yet.

spot on Argo, nice one.

Love the experts on here sometimes 😁

4-0 Tulloch, quality from Zohore too

There's a phrase I thought I would never see.......

General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: July 29, 2021, 06:35:26 PM »
It's really hard to see how they will manage to do that. I'd imagine he wants to win trophies and play in the top European competition...something Villa aren't going to be able to offer him.

As much as I don't like the bloke you cannot deny his skill. He needs to go to a proper team for his own development which will in turn benefit England.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: July 29, 2021, 10:16:53 AM »
Thought this was a so called Well run club? Can accept we have to sell Sam due to his contract situation. Perreira is our prized asset with his contract in clubs favour could be wrong but it feels like powers that be want him gone.

It depends on your definition of 'well run'. If we are looking to survive and balance the books by taking the occasional profit from a situation such as a transfer, then we are well run. If you are looking to show ambition and want to do as well as you can then I don't think 'well run' refers to us.

I have not looked at the West Ham finances, and I do have issues with the stadium deal they pulled off, but their board are showing ambition and buying quality players. Last year under Moyes they seemed to click, and were good to watch as well. At this moment in time, West Ham seem to be a 'well run' club.

On the other hand, we could support Derby, and by the looks of it there will be quite a few people in that area looking for other things to do on a Saturday afternoon in the not too distant future.

Back to the topic of the thread, I am liking the idea of a loan to West Ham as the fee is rumoured to be significant, and if MP does what we know he can do then WH will be keen to buy him at the end of the season. I just hope we do not agree a silly purchase price now.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Valérien Ismaël - Head Coach
« on: July 27, 2021, 03:21:27 PM »
And therein lies the problem.

We are aware that the likes of Grant and Diangana are not good enough for the division above. I have reservations about Grant this season and I certainly think we need another forward. Sawyers, Livermore at al - Championship fodder and nothing more.

As it stands we have a competitive side but a promotion side? And even if we did it wouldn't be pretty next season.

Much still to do.

Over to you, Mr Lai....

Never going to happen, I am afraid that we are locked in purgatory for the forseeable future......

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: 2021/22 Kit
« on: July 27, 2021, 10:05:18 AM »
a selling platform for fakes from China/Thailand.

It would seem that Peace used it a few years ago.......

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: The club shop (superstore my ****)
« on: July 27, 2021, 09:51:15 AM »
it's all gone online now

The amount of trade they are losing is unbelievable. I took my grandson yesterday when I went to collect my Walsall tickets. Unsure of size so I wanted to check before I bought. Place was shut, again several other fans there wanting to use the shop.

Stinks of cost cutting as far as I am concerned. New season, new kit and loads will be at the ground collecting tickets.....bunch of clowns.

So my partner has rudely declined my offer of an all expenses paid romantic meal for two at the Bescot tomorrow night, don't know why as I heard good things about the pies.

Anyway, I have a spare ticket - block F back row.

PM me if you are interested - the pie is not part of deal though ;D

Coronavirus Thread / Re: Vaccine passports
« on: July 26, 2021, 02:38:00 PM »
This thread is so going to go the same way as the other one........

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Guochuan Lai
« on: July 25, 2021, 05:16:44 PM »
There is that possibility, but I suspect the policy will be to strengthen the team in a bid for promotion.

What they won't want to do is increase the debt, & IMO, they will be reluctant to pay the same level of transfer fees as last season.

I think with what we have at the moment, and with a few low price additions, we will have enough to get out of this division. The acid test will be next year if we go up. That will be the window of opportunity for Lai to sell, or else we are going to repeat the same sorry cycle once again. However, I agree with you, money will be their god and they will not want to have the debt, or increase it.

Less said about the loan the better  ;) 

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Guochuan Lai
« on: July 25, 2021, 03:12:39 PM »
The thing that worries me is that many think we will be cash rich once we sell the family gold. My fear is that anything raised will go towards balancing the books first, and anything left will possibly be made available to VI for players. So when MP & SJ are sold, we may not be acquiring the big time players some may be expecting.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Adam Reach
« on: July 25, 2021, 02:42:22 PM »
Reach would be a decent squad player surely. Covers left wing back, left wing and potentially centre mid. Only 28 as well, a level up from the cover we had for the last stint in the champ, ie mears, hoolahan, montero etc

Is this the chap who is quite happy to have a go at 25yds +? He has scored a few like that from memory

Coronavirus Thread / Re: Vaccine passports
« on: July 25, 2021, 08:52:13 AM »
The Telegraph are reporting today that double jabs will be required to watch Premier league matches from October this year; ministers are expected to sign this off shortly. This will be for all sporting events where there are more than 20,000 spectators. It is behind a paywall so I can only provide the headline;

So I am guessing that it will apply to us too.

Finished 0-0

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Guochuan Lai
« on: July 24, 2021, 03:58:39 PM »
JP did not loan the club £30m.

I don't remember that either 82  ;D

General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: July 24, 2021, 01:13:41 PM »
I reckon if he goes they’ll come in for Pereira

Good business for them, £90m for Greasy, £25m to us for MP, and a cool £65m in the bank.

And to think that they were nearly going into administration not so long ago.

My first ever visit to the Bescot/Banks stadium for the only try Black Country Derby and need to ask if there is any one with advice on parking and a pre match snifter before the game?
My last trip into the old Fellows Park was to see UB40!

Same for me Frank, although I did not go to the old place to see UB40.

Any recommendations for pubs anyone?

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Guochuan Lai
« on: July 24, 2021, 11:17:53 AM »
Ebenezer was only in it to make a buck all this bolo about how he improved the club is that bolo. Thompson did the heavy lifting with Sir Gary, Scrooge was in the right place at the right time for him but at detriment of the Albion. Did naff all but tread water until he could gain control and sell to the highest bidder again at detriment of the Albion. As for new owner and the loan he gave  HE OWNS THE BLOODY CLUB!

The loan was paid to Jeremy Peace by WBA, not to Lai. Peace did not pay it back, instead he passed the debt onto Lai.

General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: July 24, 2021, 10:01:32 AM »
BBC are reporting that Man City have reached an agreement with Grealish and will offer the vile £90m for him.

Not a bad profit for an academy player if it comes off.

Always said he would look good in a City shirt  ;D

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: 2021/22 Kit
« on: July 23, 2021, 03:31:24 PM »
Dont love it but dont hate it, its just a bit in the middle for me.

A bit 'meh' you mean?

You will buy one when it is in the post Crimbo bargain bin....... ;D

« on: July 23, 2021, 02:43:19 PM »
Used to love Barca, now I hope they get relegated, a fine wont work as they obviously cant afford it. Relegate them, make the others sit up and take notice that if you do this you will be kicked out of the top division.

We know it wont happen because they are a gravy train for the league.

Dont they still owe us for Louie Barry too?

I think we can kiss that one goodbye.......

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Guochuan Lai
« on: July 23, 2021, 01:29:18 PM »

Re: The first section in bold..................

WBAFC owe the owner (WBA Holdings) around £23 million. This debt carries no interest, so isn't going to get any bigger

To repay the £3.7 million plus interest that the owner owes to WBAFC, all he has to do, is off-set it against the debt that WBAFC owes to WBA Holdings.


I owe you £23 million interest free.

You owe me £3.7 million with an interest of 5% over BoE base rate.

I can call in your debt at any time, but if I hang on long enough, I'll have accumulated enough interest to call it quits.

I'd be absolutely mad to call it in.

The link in bold

I've looked at the link, & all I can see is waffle, there's nothing concrete there at all. It's pretty clear, at that time we were being run by well meaning, but enthusiastic amateurs. Peace, however ruthless, bought some professionalism into the club.

I take your point about the counter debt, but we will be waiting a very long time before they balance. Of course another way would be to sell Pereira & Johnstone and clear the debt, which would then take us back to being a few bob down in the Albion coffers.

I never said that there was anything concrete in the link I have provided, it is more of an indication as to what was going on in the boardroom at the time. There is also counter statements from Peace saying how is is going to unite the club and take us forward etc... now this is waffle for you.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Guochuan Lai
« on: July 23, 2021, 09:42:46 AM »
What can /will happen if JP is found to be guilty of everything he is accused of?
Will the small shareholders get any reparation?
Will Our club get any money?
What about capital punishment?
Who benefits who loses and by how much?

Cannot pretend to even understand the general issues, let alone how ethical or legal his actions were, but will somebody please try to explain for me in words of three syllables or less what the expectations might be regarding the outcomes  of this case.

I think that S4A are trying to prove a point with Peace. The purpose of the £3.7m loan from WBAFC to the Peace company is under question. Peace denies he used it to buy shares for himself, instead selling it as an 'arms length arrangement with favourable interest rates above the base rate'. S4A do not believe this, and neither does anyone else.

I cannot see how there will be any reparation to the small shareholders; its not about that.

WBAFC are owed £3.7m plus interest, and it is currently estimated to be £5m overall. Apparently this debt can be called in at any time, but with Lai the major shareholder and with a foot in both concerns, he would effectively be asking himself to pay the money over to the club, which is unlikely to happen any time soon. 

In respect of capital punishment I assume you mean an FA fine and not the death penalty, which would be a bit harsh. I don't know to be honest. This could be a case of 'be careful what you wish for'. If Peace and the club broke any rules there could be a financial penalty, and any penalty will almost certainly be on the club, not the Jersey boy. I don't think it will come to this though, this is just a questionable internal business transaction.

The potential loser at the moment is the club and Lai. WBA are £3.7m down and Lai owns the debt. You will know who the big time winner is.

It is like me borrowing £10 from you to put on a horse at 10/1. The horse wins and I don't give you your £10 back.

S4A are trying to prove a point of principal as far as I can see. I wish there was an S4A forum member who could contribute to this discussion.

I can understand that some are not that bothered about Peace and the loan as it is history. However, we still constantly go on about the lack of investment and lack of ambition. From the moment Peace joined the board he could see the big picture. I came across the following statement the other day by Clive Stapleton and Barry Hurst, who were forced to resign on 13/06/2002.

Knowing what we now know you can see that Peace was always one step ahead of everyone else. You can also see the chaos that was going on in the boardroom at the time. I met Stapleton and the others, good honest businessmen who were lifelong WBA fans who wanted to do the best for the club, not themselves. For me the Stapleton statement was sad reading, as it marks the time when the club went into a different direction that could never be reversed.

Peace did a lot of good for the club. He was shrewd and astute and has kept us financially solid. We now know why. I was particularly impressed with the way he stood up to Levy over Berahino. There is no doubt he left us in a better position than where we were in 2002, but at what cost? Where would we be had Peace not have gained control? Impossible to say really, we could  have been a top 6 side, or we could have been looking forward to trips to Barnet, Wycombe, Rochdale etc. However, what the Peace sale has done is land us with an inexperienced owner, no investment, and a sale price that no one in their right mind is ever going to match. So we are stuck with this for a long time, and this is all down to the greed of one man.

I like S4A, they are chipping away and asking questions. Personally I think that the meeting they have with Ken next week will be a futile exercise, but at least they are having a go. As BB74 said, perhaps they should spend more time trying to find investors to buy Lai out.

Personally I am just looking forward to getting back to the ground and watching the team, hopefully exciting times ahead with VI, but we have been here before  ;)


West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Guochuan Lai
« on: July 22, 2021, 06:35:55 PM »
He received a £1m + a year as Chairman. £1.95 million in his last year.

He really did take our club to the cleaners didn't he........

I never had anything about confirming an address.

I just selected my tickets, assigned them, chose my collection point and paid.

My account has my address details as its on my account page and on the receipt they provided.

I wouldn't mind paying the £1.75 if they were being posted to me  :D

Same for me Liam, eventually got mine sorted after help from Liz at the ticket office. I too am paying myself £1.75 for the honour of collecting my tickets from the office....

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