[darbolina]

We need someone with football knowlwdge to cover for the fact dowling and the board have no clue what they're doing....

[LiamTheBaggie]

Wilder's favourite formation is 5-3-2 which tells you enough. A very negative formation which means goals will always hard to come by. Explains why Sheff Utd only managed 18 goals under him. (we've scored almost twice that).
P.S. And when Burke is one of the 2 up front, you've got bigger problems.

This always seems to get thrown around at Wilder about the goals scored by Sheff United this season.

To put it in greater context

2019-20 - scored 39, conceded 39 - finished 9th with 54 points
2018-19 - scored 78, conceded 41 - finished 2nd with 89 points
2017-18 - scored 57, conceded 49 - finished 10th with 65 points
2016-17 - scored 92, conceded 47 - finished 1st with 100 points
2015-16 - scored 82, conceded 46 - finished 1st with 99 points
2914-15 - scored 67, conceded 62 - finished 12th with 61 points

The three seasons prior at Oxford saw them achieve over 60 points in each season with goals for tallies of 60, 59, 57

His championship record:

Managed; 92
Won; 46
Drawn; 20
Lost; 26
Goals for; 140
Goals against; 96
PPM: 1.72

He averages 1.58 points per game across his managerial career.

Not bad by any stretch of the imagination. We could do a lot worse - though there are concerns as to whether this squad suits him.

[tambag]

Steve Cooper for me

[Fritzl Palace]

Steve Cooper for me

No thanks, far too ugly, I do not want to see that face regularly

[ttree30]

Allardyce: "I believe the club now needs stability and continuity and this would, in my opinion, best be provided by a young and ambitious manager who can get us back to where we should be as an established Premier League football club.“

“Young and ambitious.” So who fits that bill?

Chris Wilder is 53 so although he’s younger than me and quite a lot younger than Allardyce, I don’t think you can really call a 53 year old “young.”

And I fear for us. I do hope I’m wrong, but I wonder if our run of success in the Championship may be about to come to an end. People have grown accustomed to it, almost expecting it, but it has to end sometime and our squad needs major surgery from front to back. I don’t like the look of our team at all - 73 goals conceded, 26 points, best players leaving, weaknesses in every department, and far from a promotion team in the second half of the last Championship campaign. Add to that a wretched recent recruitment record.

If they get this appointment and the signings wrong (again), Albion could be the mid-table Championship club Jeremy Peace described some years ago. Or worse.

I’m a lot more worried tonight now we know Allardyce has taken a look - and the cold hard truth is he doesn’t fancy it.

[darbolina]

Steve Cooper for me

Yep good call but he'd have worked well with an Ashworth above him, dowling wouldn't work with Cooper-  a forward thinking coach interested in developing a young,  dynamic ball playing team

[Mister AT]

Needs to be someone who has a back bone and willing to put his foot down. This squad potentially has a huge rebuild in the summer.

I imagine they will try all out for wilder. My concern with him is the current squad is the furthest away from how he plays.
Add to that Robinson won’t get a game and some of Wilders recent signings, doesn’t fill me with confidence. How keen is he to manage a team other than his boyhood club too?

Knowing Dowling, it will be Wilder, Howe, O’Neil and maybe a revisit to Jokanovic.

[baggie82]

This always seems to get thrown around at Wilder about the goals scored by Sheff United this season.

To put it in greater context

2019-20 - scored 39, conceded 39 - finished 9th with 54 points
2018-19 - scored 78, conceded 41 - finished 2nd with 89 points
2017-18 - scored 57, conceded 49 - finished 10th with 65 points
2016-17 - scored 92, conceded 47 - finished 1st with 100 points
2015-16 - scored 82, conceded 46 - finished 1st with 99 points
2914-15 - scored 67, conceded 62 - finished 12th with 61 points

The three seasons prior at Oxford saw them achieve over 60 points in each season with goals for tallies of 60, 59, 57

His championship record:

Managed; 92
Won; 46
Drawn; 20
Lost; 26
Goals for; 140
Goals against; 96
PPM: 1.72

He averages 1.58 points per game across his managerial career.

Not bad by any stretch of the imagination. We could do a lot worse - though there are concerns as to whether this squad suits him.

What leagues were Oxford playing in? League 1 and 2 is pub football. How come Sheff Utd were so goal shy over two premiership seasons? How much he spend on Brewster? He had no idea how to set up a team to carry a threat in the top flight. As soon as Dean Henderson left it fell apart for him. I know he’s got a good lower league record but that is a totally substandard level of football. 

[Mister AT]

Allardyce: "I believe the club now needs stability and continuity and this would, in my opinion, best be provided by a young and ambitious manager who can get us back to where we should be as an established Premier League football club.“

“Young and ambitious.” So who fits that bill?

Chris Wilder is 53 so although he’s younger than me and quite a lot younger than Allardyce, I don’t think you can really call a 53 year old “young.”

And I fear for us. I do hope I’m wrong, but I wonder if our run of success in the Championship may be about to come to an end. People have grown accustomed to it, almost expecting it, but it has to end sometime and our squad needs major surgery from front to back. I don’t like the look of our team at all - 73 goals conceded, 26 points, best players leaving, weaknesses in every department, and far from a promotion team in the second half of the last Championship campaign. Add to that a wretched recent recruitment record.

If they get this appointment and the signings wrong (again), Albion could be the mid-table Championship club Jeremy Peace described some years ago. Or worse.

I’m a lot more worried tonight now we know Allardyce has taken a look - and the cold hard truth is he doesn’t fancy it.

Whilst I also have concerns, this squad is still attractive to a manager.

If Johnstone goes they have a choice of Button, Palmer (arguably best keeper in league 1 this year) and Griffiths (arguably league 2 keeper of the year).

Furlong and Townsend are solid championship fullbacks. Ajayi is good enough for championship.

Snodgrass depending on his recovery will be useful. Sawyers if played correctly.

Robinson, Grant and Grady are a solid forward 3 in the championship and on paper would get goals.

If you can rebuild the midfield with the money we will get from Pereira and add a couple other players (the likes of Mowatt, Assombalanga, Smith are all useful free agents), and nick a couple loans from the prem and you have a play off squad at your disposal.

[Mister AT]

What leagues were Oxford playing in? League 1 and 2 is pub football. How come Sheff Utd were so goal shy over two premiership seasons? How much he spend on Brewster? He had no idea how to set up a team to carry a threat in the top flight. As soon as Dean Henderson left it fell apart for him. I know he’s got a good lower league record but that is a totally substandard level of football.

Wilders a good manager. I remember Sheff United the season we missed out on promotion they were solid and good going forward.

My biggest concern is trusting him with money.

Brewster, McBurnie, Burke, Ramsdale are just a few of his recent big money signings 

[alex1]

What leagues were Oxford playing in? League 1 and 2 is pub football. How come Sheff Utd were so goal shy over two premiership seasons? How much he spend on Brewster? He had no idea how to set up a team to carry a threat in the top flight. As soon as Dean Henderson left it fell apart for him. I know he’s got a good lower league record but that is a totally substandard level of football.

If you set up as 5-3-2 its all about having a compact defence, and trying to nick a 1-0.
Surely, we're better than that?  Is there a place for flair players at Sheff Utd? Can't think of many. Brewster had a decent reputation at Liverpool but is obvious he was feeding off scraps under Wilder's football. The less said about Burke the better.
If we end up with Wilder, doubt I'll be visiting the Hawthorns too much.

[LiamTheBaggie]

Wilders a good manager. I remember Sheff United the season we missed out on promotion they were solid and good going forward.

My biggest concern is trusting him with money.

Brewster, McBurnie, Burke, Ramsdale are just a few of his recent big money signings 

We don’t need to worry about Wilder wasting money.

Dowling will do that for us 

[Albionic]

Wilders a good manager. I remember Sheff United the season we missed out on promotion they were solid and good going forward.

My biggest concern is trusting him with money.

Brewster, McBurnie, Burke, Ramsdale are just a few of his recent big money signings 

Brewster should have been a good but expensive signing in fairness
Ramsdale came off the back of an excellent season
Burke, indefensible
McBurnie, can't really comment as I know his history

[baggie82]

If you set up as 5-3-2 its all about having a compact defence, and trying to nick a 1-0.
Surely, we're better than that?  Is there a place for flair players at Sheff Utd? Can't think of many. Brewster had a decent reputation at Liverpool but is obvious he was feeding off scraps under Wilder's football. The less said about Burke the better.
If we end up with Wilder, doubt I'll be visiting the Hawthorns too much.

I agree with you. Harland and Mbappe would have struggled to score goals playing for Sheff Utd. As soon as they lost their keeper they fell apart as no team you can’t sustain a place in the premiership without at least being able to score a goal a game.

[TAFKATMNo1Fan]

Graeme Jones being mentioned 

[gazberg]

Graeme Jones being mentioned 

Good lord

[gazberg]

Big Dave as his number 2?

[TAFKATMNo1Fan]

Big Dave as his number 2?

Yep! Look forward to Alex Palmer attempting to play the ball out from the back next season 

[gazberg]

Yep! Look forward to Alex Palmer attempting to play the ball out from the back next season 

Oh god I forgot how much I hated these pair in charge

[Atomic]

Graeme Jones being mentioned 

As long as that's all he is - mentioned.

Cant see us appointing him for a second.

[PartisanBaggie]

Big Dave as his number 2?

Haha! I was just thinking that 😆

Let’s make this reunion official by ensuring Jimmy Shan is part of the coaching staff too. You know, just in case!

[SirTonyM]

Wilder no where near as bad as people are making out. Bear in mind we have had Pulis, Allardyce, Pardew and Irvine...

Steve Cooper or Jokanovic would be 2 options I would be interested in. I would also look abroad but personally don't know enough about the options.

[TheJacko2000]

My biggest fear is knowing Dowling is a very big fan of John Terry. I shudder at the thought of his appointment.

I think Terry will get it as I posted in the other thread prior to seeing this.

[Atomic]

I think Terry will get it as I posted in the other thread prior to seeing this.

Terry is completely unknown in management terms. Impossible to know what to expect. He's an interesting option.

[Standaman]

Terry is a seriously terrible option. I might have some fairly significant reservations about Wilder but he is so far ahead of Terry he is lapping him.

Personally I would go with a short list of Appleton, Robbins and Evatt.