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« Reply #2250 on: July 30, 2021, 10:24:47 AM »
Given the previous reports of a £25m deal (regardless of the other shenanigans) then that would suggest it’s a price the club has in mind,

They haven't been any credible reports on a selling price, it's all click bait nonsense and guess work.

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« Reply #2251 on: July 30, 2021, 10:28:52 AM »
Nothing can be close since the club released him on the video of the players having their photo shoots in the home kit.

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« Reply #2252 on: July 30, 2021, 10:30:21 AM »
Nothing can be close since the club released him on the video of the players having their photo shoots in the home kit.

I dont think anything is close but he will still have to fulfill his duties here while waiting for his move. Essentially he's keeping fit and training with us at the moment while the board do their thing.

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« Reply #2253 on: July 30, 2021, 10:49:30 AM »
Nothing can be close since the club released him on the video of the players having their photo shoots in the home kit.

Sadly I think it's a case of giving some people false hope in an attempt to sell more kit-That's the pessimist in me talking
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« Reply #2254 on: July 30, 2021, 10:53:11 AM »
Given the previous reports of a £25m deal (regardless of the other shenanigans) then that would suggest it’s a price the club has in mind,
It's impossible to say. Everyone is guessing. I suppose his price varies depending on how many teams are seriously going to bid and how late it gets in the transfer window. If teams really want him the price could rocket towards the end of August. Unfortunately, if rumours are to be believed we can't do much more in terms of bringing payers VI wants until we have some cash from the sale of MP.

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« Reply #2255 on: July 30, 2021, 01:48:50 PM »
They haven't been any credible reports on a selling price, it's all click bait nonsense and guess work.

I was referring to the Times article in recent weeks which discussed his potential sale to China rather than the footy insider articles of tripe.
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« Reply #2256 on: July 30, 2021, 05:56:51 PM »
I was referring to the Times article in recent weeks which discussed his potential sale to China rather than the footy insider articles of tripe.

That times article was about a potential transfer last January before Pereira lit up the premiership and never got off the ground. Doesn't mean diddly squat for this summer. City are bidding £100m for Squealish as an opening offer.

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« Reply #2257 on: July 30, 2021, 06:38:05 PM »
Unfortunately the club saying they can't sign anyone until they sell players has weakened our hand. Interested buyers are in no rush now. They can wait till the end of the window and come in even lower unless a bidding war breaks out.

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« Reply #2258 on: July 30, 2021, 09:36:16 PM »
It does not take a genius to work out our position is fragile. We need to sell to buy most football clubs in most leagues have to there is quite literally a handful that don't.
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« Reply #2259 on: July 30, 2021, 09:39:09 PM »
A £25m sale means Pereira is only 25% of the player Grealish is in terms of ability.  I'd be surprised if even 1 WBA Supporter agreed with that outcome.

This has got Lukaku stamped all over again when we baulked at £20m and within 2 years he was gone for £75m.

Fair play to Villa they had the balls to say £100m to MC and they have buckled.

A £25m Pereira sale should be met with absolute derision.....

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« Reply #2260 on: July 30, 2021, 10:06:38 PM »
He’s a champions league player, and a top class one at that. We need to get every penny we can and hope he goes to a great club where he gets to show how good he is.

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« Reply #2261 on: July 30, 2021, 10:21:19 PM »
He’s a champions league player, and a top class one at that. We need to get every penny we can and hope he goes to a great club where he gets to show how good he is.
I'm afraid his price tag isn't going to reflect that. His next move may get him in the position where he has the opportunity to show he has the consistency and ability to justify that sort of rating but he's not there yet.
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« Reply #2262 on: July 30, 2021, 10:29:33 PM »
I'm afraid his price tag isn't going to reflect that. His next move may get him in the position where he has the opportunity to show he has the consistency and ability to justify that sort of rating but he's not there yet.

2 words Stamford Bridge.

Playing in a poor team also.

If it's WHU, will be the best £25m they've ever spent.
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« Reply #2263 on: July 30, 2021, 10:41:09 PM »
2 words Stamford Bridge.

Playing in a poor team also.

If it's WHU, will be the best £25m they've ever spent.
It takes more than that to justify the top class champions league player statement. He may go on to justify that label but he has a way to go yet.
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« Reply #2264 on: July 30, 2021, 10:55:28 PM »
It is really simple if Pereira was comparable with Grealish in the view of the people that matter i.e. Man City or another big 6 club then this is what they do. They buy Pereira and Johnstone for £50m. You have a comparable player to Grealish and you have Johnstone as a back up option and the key is Johnstone qualifies as home grown so that covers off one of the advantages that Grealish holds over Pereira. Even though Man City are richer than God they still won't turn their noses up at this because that is another £50m they can throw at Spurs for Kane.

Nobody is bidding more than £30m for Pereira because a) they don't need to for a whole host of reasons but the biggest is we are not in the Premier League and the player is looking at a 50% wage cut and  or b) they don't think he is as good as a similar player that they are prepared to pay £100m or £50m for.

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« Reply #2265 on: July 30, 2021, 10:57:22 PM »
It takes more than that to justify the top class champions league player statement. He may go on to justify that label but he has a way to go yet.

Lol.  No one did what Pereira did last season at Chelsea. When has the £95m Pogba ever been consistent?

Undervaluing player achievements does WBA no favours whatsoever.

You can think of him as a lower Premier League player, I think otherwise.  Buendia has gone for £33m.

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« Reply #2266 on: July 30, 2021, 11:11:39 PM »
Lol.  No one did what Pereira did last season at Chelsea. When has the £95m Pogba ever been consistent?

Undervaluing player achievements does WBA no favours whatsoever.

You can think of him as a lower Premier League player, I think otherwise.  Buendia has gone for £33m.
I'm afraid his achievements to date mean he'll be priced at the £20m - £25m mark. Pogba's a world cup winner.

I think Allardyce got it about right with his assessment

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2021/04/28/sam-allardyce-matheus-pereira-can-be-one-of-the-best-in-premier-league/

"I have worked with some world class players in my time," the boss said.

"I can’t say Matheus is world class but he certainly has the potential to be a top class Premier League player if he continues developing.
"He is still very young. And I think when he is committed and when he works as hard as he did against Aston Villa, when he shows that ability – then he is certainly a big difference and a big game player for West Brom.
 
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« Reply #2267 on: July 30, 2021, 11:29:44 PM »
Lol.  No one did what Pereira did last season at Chelsea. When has the £95m Pogba ever been consistent?

Undervaluing player achievements does WBA no favours whatsoever.

You can think of him as a lower Premier League player, I think otherwise.  Buendia has gone for £33m.

If only matches against Chelsea were the only yardstick. We’d get £150 for Callum Robinson.

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« Reply #2268 on: July 31, 2021, 12:26:13 AM »
Pereira is a genius with a football, who knows what level he can achieve. He has everything; the skill, swagger, arrogance and belief.

I don’t begrudge him at all…..in a poor team he’s shone and carried us at times. We’re stumped as he’s ‘only been playing for Albion’! In a top 6 team he’s 40/50 mil all day long.

I’d like to see how a top team/manager handles him. He’ll need to hustle more and need to do extra miles; if so…..he’s something else.

We unfortunately went down, so the money is invaluable.

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« Reply #2269 on: July 31, 2021, 12:31:50 AM »
A £25m sale means Pereira is only 25% of the player Grealish is in terms of ability.  I'd be surprised if even 1 WBA Supporter agreed with that outcome.

This has got Lukaku stamped all over again when we baulked at £20m and within 2 years he was gone for £75m.

Fair play to Villa they had the balls to say £100m to MC and they have buckled.

A £25m Pereira sale should be met with absolute derision.....

I’ve also been pondering this since before the season closed and at the moment I’m thinking we’d be daft to sell Pereira for £25million or less.

I reckon we’re better off keeping him for another season.

Knowing the Albion though, he’s probably already been sold for £25million maximum and we’re wasting our time talking about it.
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« Reply #2270 on: July 31, 2021, 12:38:33 AM »
I was referring to the Times article in recent weeks which discussed his potential sale to China rather than the footy insider articles of tripe.
£25M was what we were prepared to accept after the first half of the season, before his form improved dramatically. I wouldn't like to actually put a price on him, but I'd imagine the club will be looking for 30 at least.  Whether they get it or not is another question.

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« Reply #2271 on: July 31, 2021, 12:41:40 AM »
I’ve also been pondering this since before the season closed and at the moment I’m thinking we’d be daft to sell Pereira for £25million or less.

I reckon we’re better off keeping him for another season.

Knowing the Albion though, he’s probably already been sold for £25million maximum and we’re wasting our time talking about it.

Under normal circumstances yes we could keep him. But it think we’re still paying the price for past frivolities. Krychowiak, Sturridge we’re big gambles that failed, as has Grant so far. We have an owner who won’t/can’t invest…..it’s inevitable.

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« Reply #2272 on: July 31, 2021, 12:53:23 AM »
Under normal circumstances yes we could keep him. But it think we’re still paying the price for past frivolities. Krychowiak, Sturridge we’re big gambles that failed, as has Grant so far. We have an owner who won’t/can’t invest…..it’s inevitable.

Krychowiak and Sturridge were expensive loan signings from the 17/18 relegation season which as far as I’m aware we don’t owe any money on.

Grant has been a disappointing signing so far, although I expect him to contribute more at Championship level.

What concerns me most is whether we’re going to spend/reinvest the money wisely from Pereira’s sale? If his sale results in us bringing in quantity over quality (which would no doubt reduce our promotion competitiveness) we may as well keep him for another season.

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« Reply #2273 on: July 31, 2021, 12:57:20 AM »
Krychowiak and Sturridge were expensive loan signings from the 17/18 relegation season which as far as I’m aware we don’t owe any money on.

Grant has been a disappointing signing so far, although I expect him to contribute more at Championship level.

What concerns me most is whether we’re going to spend/reinvest the money wisely from Pereira’s sale? If his sale results in us bringing in quantity over quality (which would no doubt reduce our promotion competitiveness) we may as well keep him for another season.

We may as well keep him for another season... I don't trust 'em.

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« Reply #2274 on: July 31, 2021, 12:59:40 AM »
Krychowiak and Sturridge were expensive loan signings from the 17/18 relegation season which as far as I’m aware we don’t owe any money on.

Grant has been a disappointing signing so far, although I expect him to contribute more at Championship level.

What concerns me most is whether we’re going to spend/reinvest the money wisely from Pereira’s sale? If his sale results in us bringing in quantity over quality (which would no doubt reduce our promotion competitiveness) we may as well keep him for another season.

Fair comment fella….it seems a long time ago but paying 100k a week (x 2) smashed our bank balance down to zero.

Unfortunately, as you’re well aware….there’s no money leaving China into the Prem. groups like Fosun are a global entity and have flexibility…we’re screwed.

If we go up Lai will surely run, and if it happens…we’ll all have been extremely lucky.