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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Pre Match Chat
« on: September 14, 2021, 07:29:06 PM »
Against Sheffield United, Townsend dropped in to the back three with Reach LWB, so we have done it before. It’s not a great endorsement for Kipre, I suspect we will see Kean get a run out before we see Kipre again

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Karlan Grant
« on: September 12, 2021, 02:25:39 PM »
Pre season I thought and hoped he’d do a lot more at this level but I’d agree with those who say he’s been quite poor so far.

I’m still hopeful he could catch fire but it’s more hope than expectation. He should still get 10 goals or so this season though. He should probably have three already, despite being quite anonymous

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: September 12, 2021, 10:22:41 AM »
It was terrible pretty much start to finish. Millwall achieved exactly what they set out to do and perhaps should have had more. Ajayi and Kipre are both poor defenders.

On the plus side it’s the first poor result in 6. However it’s back to back poor performances on the other hand. Bring top is great, but you can’t let that gloss over reviewing yesterday IMO. That’s something positive about our overall start but shouldn’t detract from assessing issues we have.

As Baggies said, Millwall sat so deep and whenever they had a chance they smashed it forwards. At that point we should have stopped lumping it back and mixed it up by playing on the ground.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Valérien Ismaël - Head Coach
« on: September 10, 2021, 01:13:11 PM »
I agree. If the other manager did it against my team i wouldn't give a toss, it's all about being caught up in the emotions of the time and nothing wrong with that.

I agree, but I do think if another manager did it to us you’d see people going mad about it on hear, same as the throws.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Valérien Ismaël - Head Coach
« on: September 10, 2021, 01:11:48 PM »
Julian Dicks stated in an interview that he felt that VI running down the line to celebrate was disrespectful regardless of it being a last minute winner. Personally i don't see the fuss either way.

In summary also in the interview with Ladbrokes he claims he felt they (Bilic etc)were sacked too soon and we needed to buy a striker who's going to bag us 20 goals but he wishes us well and likes the club.

Didn’t Bilic do something very similar at some point. I swear I can see it happening

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: TV Games
« on: September 10, 2021, 01:10:52 PM »
I thought WBATV was about £25 if you wanted to buy it but I’ve not checked.

Bear in mind full match replays on wbatv are not the same as the live match package overseas. That’s the £170 option.

General Football & Sports / Re: Nathan Ferguson Joins Crystal Palace
« on: September 09, 2021, 07:53:54 PM »
A key part of the conspiracy theories around Pereira are that they involve Chinese and Saudi clubs. Foreign jurisdictions and territories with different laws and tax rules.

To insinuate we would try and do something dodgy with palace, and a tribunal looming is just ridiculous.

General Football & Sports / Re: Nathan Ferguson Joins Crystal Palace
« on: September 09, 2021, 11:31:58 AM »
The Achilles injury happened in May this year though, some 15/16 months after his knee injury. It’s getting slightly into the weeds with it all but Palace could say that the knee injury they found in January of 2020 kept him out until May 2021. They may even claim that the Achilles injuries and any other injuries he has suffered along the way are as a consequence of the original knee injury.

Either way, they have a mitigating circumstance that means the fee may end up being some way off the reported £11m we originally agreed with them.

Palace tried to renegotiate after failed medical in the January I think, and we rejected it. Hopefully we have an offer in writing because that shows they still applied a certain value to him despite the injury.

Both sides are going to lose though. We aren't going to get £11m, we wont get £8m.  Palace are going to pay millions for a player who has a body that doesnt look capable of being a professional footballer.

It is a mess for the tribunal though, and legal teams on both sides. I suspect that in part is holding the tribunal up, they just don't know what to do. There's no doubt that by the end of his contract with us, his value had dropped compared to the January previously though.

I expect both sides will have to agree to be bound by the tribunal ruling and I wouldn't be surprised if its something like £4m with add ons and i'd write the add on's off instantly.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Summer Transfer Window 2021
« on: September 08, 2021, 09:59:02 PM »
Just to add the above, you’ve got Fulham who’ve spent. Boro about £7m then a couple of clubs who have spent around a mill (qpr, cov, Preston)  pretty much the rest have received more than they’ve spent.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Summer Transfer Window 2021
« on: September 08, 2021, 09:52:19 PM »
I know you didn’t, I was focussed on it will take a miracle to get us up and why I don’t think it would be. Pereira was just part of my points in that respect.

In terms of getting us up having not spent, virtually nobody bar Fulham has really spent, so 2 of 3 promoted clubs are likely to get promoted with very little net spend, it’s actually likely that someone (like us or bournmouth) will go up  with a net surplus on transfers this season. That’s pretty much fact.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Johnstone
« on: September 08, 2021, 08:08:57 PM »
Sam’s stock will probably never be higher than it was last summer. Yet still nobody signed him when it was obvious we would accept a reasonable fee, all things considered. Looking ahead to next summer there might only be 3 prem clubs looking for a new number 1.

I think he’s every incentive to sign a new deal.  If I represented him I’d advise him to sign a new deal with a release clause. The only reason for him not to sign is if he is happy not to become a career 2nd / third choice.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Summer Transfer Window 2021
« on: September 08, 2021, 06:58:33 PM »
Never thought I would write these words, but the current ownership and the MP fee and looking for free transfer leftovers after the window has shut, may be the last straw for me.

I have always been against boycotting games to get rid of an owner, but I cannot see any other way to get this ???? out.

IMO VI will be a miracle worker to take this current sqaud up, as I can see them burning out in late Jan.

Hope I am wrong, will still be there, but we are run badly.

I don’t think it will take a miracle to get us up at all. I’ve been looking at some data.

The difference most detrimental to us when comparing this year on paper is Pereira. However if you change Bilic’s system to Ismael’s in the most obvious way, I think Pereira becomes the extra centre half.

Then If we look at pure production, rather than how pretty pereira’s goals and assists were, Between HRK, Austin and Pereira, we have lost around 28 goals. 

Callum Robinson will get 10 min,  Grant should get 10 but I’d be less certain. Hugill should get a few. Mowatt will get more than Sawyers and Livermore did.  We shouldn’t have a problem making the goals up.

In terms of assist, we have scored more in the first 5 league games than we did last year which suggests assists won’t be a problem.

I don’t think we actually miss pereira that much in the championship in this system. Where we will miss him is the prem.

The squad should continue to get goals and is capable of out scoring Bilic side. Any side scoring as much as that has a great chance of promotion.

The summer transfer business in that respect covered off key areas.

Goldberg's Keepy Uppy has a go at capitalism as the underlying root of football's woes.
Yet in the land of high capitalism, the US, things are arranged differently in that when the NFL holds the draft of young players from the colleges, the team that finishes bottom gets the first choice and so on.   The owners acknowledge the benefits of preserving competition.

The EPL however is an example of how the law of the survival of the fittest eventually may break down as I think the European Super League will eventually happen.  I wouldn't want to be a fan of those teams then, having to try and attend away matches over long distance and at times convenient to broadcasters.

This will leave the rump the EPL in somewhat of a disarray.  the likes of SKY will move on to the ESL and greatly reduce the TV money.  This will be an opportunity to re-structure football along some (not all) of the lines suggested by Goldberg / Crouch in England maybe the UK.  What's the betting that the opportunity will be ignored?

I heard recently that the NFL is the only major sports league in the world where every team makes a profit. The capiltalism is there, it’s Just smarter than the capitalism elsewhere!

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Pre Match Chat
« on: September 07, 2021, 05:51:29 PM »
We said that about the Peterborough game and were lucky to come away with three points

It’s not supposed to be arrogance just honest. We have lost games I thought we would win, and we have won games I though we would lose so I’m not ruling it out.

However at home to Millwall this weekend I really do find it hard to see us losing. Even if Millwall score I think we will just be relentless, as we have been in all league games this season. 

It’s been mentioned with Rowatt you can expect Millwall to be physical but they played George Saville in the middle recently. I think we’d  overwealm him.

Without getting too deep into it, the Premier League is just a micro reflection of wider life/capitalism where the system favours a few at the top whilst the rest are in the rat race. I'd say I'm fairly apolitical too.

I think the best a club like us can do is aim to go up and somehow get a model that consistently finishes mid-table then have a squad that can possibly win a cup. Realistically though, this is incredibly tough and other than the top 6, the Premier League is a constant revolving door where most clubs struggle to hold down a spot for 5 years or so and it goes in cycles.

As others have said, hopefully one day it all bursts but until then I think it's pretty grim.

Exactly this. The path here didn't begin with the premier league, it started years before. If you could repeat history you might end up with a different set of clubs at the top, but you'd probably end up here anyway. Chances are as a small town club it wouldn't be us at the top though.

If back in the day they had been able to lock in a 51/49 rule like Germany that may have helped, but I suspect would have needed to happen well before 92.  Germany has it's clear market leader too though.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Pre Match Chat
« on: September 06, 2021, 08:21:30 PM »
We should be way too much for Millwall. Most of ours players will have had a good break and fitness should now be pretty close to peak.   

Add Robinson back in to the fold as our best forward so far and I struggle to see anything other than a win.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Kean Bryan
« on: September 06, 2021, 06:48:56 PM »
I’ve seen very little of him but I he’s had an odd career.

He came through at Man City in an era where they’ve had a good great academy. Loaned to Oldham where he was their young player of the year in league one. Appears ready to step up but after signing for SU on a free barely plays a game for two years until getting a handful of appearances in the prem.

Shortly 25 and moves again in a free after failing to secure a contract during the window. SU fans were not bothered about seeing the back of him.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Summer Transfer Window 2021
« on: September 02, 2021, 02:27:03 PM »

- How on earth is it possible for the club to run with a wage bill higher than last time we were relegated? Not only was the bulk of this squad signed while in the championship, last time the vast majority of the squad signed contracts in the premier - many of them has signed multiple premier league contracts. And then to top it off we are running with a much smaller squad than last time. Either we are massively overpaying our current squad (which would perhaps tie hand in hand to the first point, our recruitment is so poor and myopic we feel we have no other choice), or its simply untrue.

Simply untrue I would say.  I said in another post 20 players on £27k per week is £28m.  If we are playing an average of 28k per player the financial acumen within our club is astonishingly bad and agents must cream themselves when they get a chance to negotiate with us.

If the club would like me to provide them a days staff training on negotiation I will happily do it for £20k.  They will save more than in their next negotiation alone and I'll hopefully be the last person to rip them off that badly. A true win win.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: OUT ON LOAN THREAD
« on: September 01, 2021, 01:00:42 PM »
I saw Callum play first couple of games this season, didnt impress. To be fair neither did Fleetwood and they shoved him out to left forward.

Not quite sure what to make of him, was highly promising, gained obstructive injuries and has returned with more of a whimper than a bang.

Watching brief for now.

I watched a couple of games for him with Northampton when they were on TV which seems like the last time he had a real run of injury free games, including the play off games where he was the best player.

He was full of effort and enthusiasm but the quality was distinctly league two. I'd be surprised if he makes it at a championship club be honest.  I think we are looking at a potentially decent league one player but nothing more. From what ive seen of Owen Windsor he looked more naturally talented but he seems to have stalled a lot as well.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Summer Transfer Window 2021
« on: September 01, 2021, 11:04:25 AM »
Why QPR?
They have players like Austin, Field and Willock, who we let go and none of whom would have been lauded if we'd had them back.
Other than Dykes, Dickie and Chair, I can't see anything to suggest they should finish above us.

Agree re Fulham and Bournemouth but I think we have shown we are on a par with both, so far.

By all accounts Willock now looks a really good player and Dickie is one of the best centre backs in the league. We know Austin will get goals but Dykes is nothing special.

They've quietly built a decent side,  I wouldn't expect them to finish above us but i wouldnt rule it out completely.  Dickie, McCollum, Chair, Willock, Dozzell, Johansen would all be in or around our first team in my opinion.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next 6 games
« on: September 01, 2021, 10:56:06 AM »
Before posh game I’d have said 18 points but the way they defended,matched us physically and pressed us it gives other clubs template to nullify us. So with that being said the three home games I’d say 7 points as QPR look like dark horses this year and 6 from the away games, dingle mick to give us first defeat

I spend a lot of time travelling so listen to a fair few podcasts. One of those is the peterborough chairman's. He can be annoying, but he also gives really good insight.

He said there analysis of us had decided that other teams problems with our throws was in part the congestion in the box so they decided to leave three forwards and designate one player to attack the ball and not worry about a man.

By leaving 3 forwards it meant we had to leave more players back in defense. In turn the space meant there keeper and the player attacking the ball had much more room and more chance of winning the first ball and getting it away. Finally, if this worked, they had a great chance of creating something on a quick break with three forwards.

It sounded quite sensible. I've not watched it back to see if it seemed to work but he seemed to think it did work quite well. He was also quite fair about the towel and VI/Fergy incident and said neither bothered him and basically and we are within our rights to do what we can to win and his side need to deal with it.

General Football & Sports / Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
« on: August 31, 2021, 10:01:54 PM »
Not doubting their individual wealth - I doubt their ability to comply with FFP in this division should it go tits up.

FFP only seems to catchup with those who run out of money!

West Bromwich Albion FC / Next 6 games
« on: August 31, 2021, 09:59:43 PM »
With the window closing and an international break, I’m interested how people think we will do in the next 6 fixtures before thre next break.

We play:

Millwall (h)
Derby (h)
Preston (a)
QPR (h)
Cardiff (a)
Stoke (a)

I’m think 11 points which would be another decent return. We play 6 matches in under a month again  and I think we will lose to either Cardiff or Stoke as like Peterborough I think we will put in at least really poor performance after a run of intense games. Couple of draws thrown in too.

On the flip side I think we could be the first side that hammers Derby. We have a chance over the next 3 to put ourselves in a great position though that gives us a bit of breathing room

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Summer Transfer Window
« on: August 31, 2021, 09:31:46 PM »
My own view is that it’s underwhelming. I find it easier to break it down into different aspects though.


I’ve already said my feelings about the club messaging being misleading. I think the budget was implied to be more than it actually was. If your budget relies on you selling your two most saleable players as it seems was the case then you don’t have the budget. Only once you sell them do you have the budget.

5 senior players signed to replace circa 15 players who left. It feels slightly light but then I do agree that we need to start showing more faith in the academy. In one respect we have been sensible, zero initial outlay other than signing on fees and possibly some loan fees. The positive I suppose is that the owners aren’t gambling the future of the club just to get them nearer a quick sale and they hopefully won’t get us into so much debt that we end up selling the stadium like so many other clubs.

In bringing in a central defender, cover for the left hand side positions, 2 central mids and a centre forward we have near enough plugged every major gap we have. We still feel a bit light in the wing back positions but maybe we should be showing some faith in Gardner-Hickman, while the central defensive positions could get a bit troublesome if Clarke continues his bad luck with niggles.

My only word of caution is that the academy age groups we are now relying on to provide the squad places have been pillaged in the last few years and it is a big ask for a medium sized academy to produce 3 or 4 high quality academy kids each age group, which is what we will need to do given the fact so many have gone on to Man City, Villa, Liverpool, Everton etc.


This has been a big disappointment really. Sam Johnstone with only a year left on his deal has gone unsold. He is probably a better choice than Button or Palmer, but it was one area of the pitch we looked ok in and we now run the risk of losing him on a free next summer. What’s more, it seems his sale was one of the conditions that needed to be met to allow us to be a bit more adventurous in our transfer dealings. Even worse was of course the below market value sale of Mattheus Pereira. £17m for a premier league star play maker. There won’t be many premier league proven attackers going for such a low few in the next few years. Some will say we can only sell what a buyer will offer, but I honestly believe had we held out we would have received an offer in the region of £22m-£25m by now. Clubs have opened their cheque books in the last few weeks, it felt like we panicked.

Of the rest, we have probably moved on the righ players, particularly getting small amounts of Harper and Field, although I hope we don’t live to regret sending Sawyers to Stoke City.

Long term

The other big downside for me, alongside the poor Pereira sale is that once again there have been no signs of any long term vision. Xu Ke spoke of looking to the longer term this summer, but other than giving Ismael a long contract I haven’t seen any evidence of this.

Since we crawled over the line to promotion at the end of the 2019/20 season, we have seen 2 new faces signed on permanent deals who are genuine first team signings. 2 players - Grant and Mowatt. That isn’t much evolution in terms of the gradual improvement of your side. In that same period we have sold our best player as well. While you can point to the fact we made some loans permanent and the Molumby deal has the potential to be permanent, I don’t really feel we have used the last 2 summer transfer windows well enough to evolve the side. How many of the signings made this summer will likely be able to step up to the premier league? We need to be thinking more like this is we are truly going to re-establish ourselves in the top flight.

I’ll also bang on about the other bug bear I always have - the lack of any obvious wider scouting network. No players signed from abroad, none seriously linked either. There is no evidence that we have rebuilt the scouting network and that is a concern. The players we have signed have all played in the Championship in the last 12 months. They are signings that will have been on the radar of most other championship clubs. The only reason we got there first is that we have parachute payments. If we fail to get promotion in the next year or two, we won’t have that advantage any more, so then what? We need to be finding Dike before Barnsley, finding Furuhashi before Celtic, Toney and Watkins before Brentford and Buendia before Norwich. We need to show more imagination else we are just relying on being the biggest fish in this pond. That’s our only strength and it’s time limited.

Overall, with this interesting manager in charge, we will hopefully have enough to atleast see us through to January, but in the event of promotion we have once again left ourselves a lot of work to do in the next summer transfer window and with the continued lack of imagination in our transfer dealings, it’s hard to see what sets us apart from the rest.

Really good post.

In terms of giving youth a chance, I suppose if we want to convince the next gen to stay we have to give some a chance despite the pilfering. The closest are the two young right backs and if they are the best of the bunch then it makes sense for us to allow Furlongs spot to be the most obvious route in. Fortunately Furlong is generally quite realisable fitness wise so we can hopefully bleed them slowly. Conversely it’s also a very important position in VIs system and any inconsistency or struggle from them if they do play will be really noticeable to our performances and efficiency I think

In terms of Pereira, again agree and loom  who West Ham have now spent £33m on. Vlasic may turn out great but Everton jettisoned him quickly. Pereira at this point in time looks miles ahead and they aren’t dissimilar ages

General Football & Sports / Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
« on: August 31, 2021, 09:23:52 PM »
Or financial oblivion…

There owner bought the Jacksonville Jaguars for £770m and they are now worth £2.3bn and with the way the NFL works it’s only likely to go up further. They’ll be fine. Sadly this is what are competing with. He’s written off a lot of loans to Fulham because it’s pocket change.  He lets his son treat Fulham like a play thing.

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