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Blackpool promoted!. Lincoln 0 shots on target in 95 minutes.

Hopefully that ends all talk of Appleton!

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Palmer and Griffiths should be our options next season stuff loaning them out give our academy players the chance.

The jury is out on whether Palmer is good enough to step up. I'd like to see him given a chance, but he might not be ready. He might never be ready.

Griffiths might be highly rated and with a higher ceiling, but if he's not ready then he's not ready. Playing a good player before it's his time might break them mentally.

We will probably need a new number 1 next season.

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General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL CHAMPIONS LEAGUE THREAD
« on: May 30, 2021, 05:02:05 PM »
I'm sorry, but if you can't see what a great coach Guardiola is, then you don't understand football.

Did he get it wrong last night? Yes, undoubtedly. He should have played with a holding midfielder and one of Aguero or Jesus. Does that make him a bad coach? No, not by a long shot, they all get things wrong.

But if you can't look at what he's done with City, Barca, and Bayern, in different countries at different times, and see a great coach, then I don't know where to start with you.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Hal Robson-Kanu
« on: May 27, 2021, 07:04:51 PM »
He tried, but he was never good enough. Disappointed when we signed him, disappointed when we picked him, disappointed when the crowd sang his name.

I'll be even more disappointed when we give him a new one-year deal in September because Dowling hasn't turned up anyone better.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Luke Dowling
« on: May 26, 2021, 07:27:34 PM »
Under DA the squad gradually improved/took shape. Have got to look beyond absolutes like season outcomes when discussing a DOF imo.

Nothing wrong with the model unless you get the wrong person in situ and seemingly can't or won't remove them.

This exactly. We may have had a mixed bag season-on-season, but overall the team / squad was improving all the time.

Look at the team when Dowling took the job and look at it now. The quality has dropped off a cliff.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: May 23, 2021, 06:32:38 PM »
Viewed in isolation, Allardyce's stats weren't good enough. We never looked like staying up, yet when he got the job the deficit to 17th was low single figures. To finish 13 points off is an absolute failure.

On that basis alone, I'm glad we aren't continuing with him in charge.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Luke Dowling
« on: May 23, 2021, 06:30:37 PM »
I don't trust this guy to rebuild our squad, especially given the budget constraints.

Every window he's had with us the quality of the squad has gotten worse, until this past January when it was obvious Sam sorted us out.

He was about to get the sack from Forest for building a team not good enough for promotion when we inexplicably paid money to hire him, I would imagine he'll leave us similarly adrift of the Premier League before he's done.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: May 23, 2021, 06:27:40 PM »
Doesn't his brother work for us at present

Yes, and was sanctioned a little while ago for betting on matches while in our employ.

Class runs right through that family.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: May 23, 2021, 06:26:36 PM »
Peter has given permission to travel. The signing was dependent on terms being met. This happens a lot and players generally book into hotels to await confirmation calls etc. The terms of the transfer weren't met thanks to a QPR player not wishing to be part of the deal. It happens. Nobody told Peter to go straight to QPR's training ground. He and his agent chose to do that between them.

My point was that in the Odemwingie incident, the club were not entirely truthful about the state of play.

I know that it's not the same people running the club now, but I trust this lot even less to be truthful and honest. I would not be surprised if they had already agreed a deal to sell him, and they were just making sure he didn't get injured so it could go through, and then shifting blame for one of our best players leaving onto the player.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager Thread
« on: May 23, 2021, 05:52:03 PM »
I don't want Appleton, that's just jobs for the boys again, which Dowling seems to do a lot of. Terry is his mate too, which worries me, especially as he's a proven racist.

If we're going to have a former player, Maresca seems the best bet. Although I don't think next season is a job for a rookie.

Wilder seems the best of a pretty uninspiring, and we won't do a Norwich and go abroad for a long-term hire.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Albion at Wembley
« on: May 23, 2021, 05:49:10 PM »
I've been twice, we've lost 1-0 both times.

I even went with Walsall and they lost without scoring.

I hate the place.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: May 23, 2021, 05:47:33 PM »
"He's called in sick".

"Peter did not have permission to travel to QPR".

 :-X

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Johnstone
« on: May 23, 2021, 05:46:25 PM »
People say he has improved and he has. But don't forget he had no crowds on his back. As soon as the crowds come back and get on his back he will fall apart. Remember Scott Carson who the fans forced out!

The fans didn't force him out, Hodgson saw him for what he was; a very good Championship keeper who was out of his depth. He initially replaced him with Myhill for a run of games, but ended up going back to him, and replaced him with a quality keeper (Foster) as soon as he was able.

The fans just knew he wasn't good enough before we had a manager who knew it.

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General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: May 15, 2021, 06:29:15 PM »
We should really have pipped Leeds to the title last season. However he we are with less than half the points that they have. Someone on here tipped them to struggle too!

It was incredible we got promoted at all, while Leeds were easily the best team in the division, so I don't get how you can say we should have finished above them.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: May 15, 2021, 07:51:40 AM »
I think he wants to stay. I hope he manages to get rid of Dowling.

Not a fan of Allardyce, but if he manages that he'll have my support

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Luke Dowling
« on: May 03, 2021, 07:04:51 PM »
So according to the commentator on sky tonight Diagne, Okay and Snodgrass were all on
our list in the summer so are we to totally blame Slaven for our summer signings or lack
of them? Big Sam wasn't behind any of them apparently...

I think that's balls. The Luke Dowling spin machine in action.

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I have a bad feeling about this one.

I don't like it when we're the favourites going in. :-X

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Long Term Plan
« on: May 03, 2021, 05:00:55 PM »
That's all very poetic but..... what if we pick the style and it fails? How long do we persevere? Do we accept relegation to League One, for instance, provided we play the right way?

As I said earlier, we could have done all of the above with Moore but we sacked him whilst in a very strong position and a lot of fans backed that decision. How much time would a progressive, young manager get, if he didn't get immediate results.

Personally, I'm with you to a degree, the Pulis years were the worst ever for me, I'd rather lose playing decent football but, that's not the way it works unfortunately.

Ultimately it's not the style that succeeds or fails, but the way the manager / coaches / players work within that. Some play hoofball and succeed, some play hoofball and fail; some set out to play attractive, passing football and succeed, others set out to play that way and fail. Ultimately it's how a manager adapts his tactics within the set-up that dictate it's success. It could be said (broadly) that Tony Pulis and Gary Megson both set up their teams to play within a similar overall style; to defend well first and foremost, with the team attacking on the break. However the way they set up within that style was rather different; Pulis preferred a narrow back four so would set up with four centre-halves more often than not, while Megson always played bespoke full backs. Likewise, Megson had room in his team for creativity (Jason Koumas, Ruel Fox), whereas Pulis wouldn't have included that type of player except to employ them as a winger; he preferred Matt Phillips-style players who got wide and whipped in crosses towards one or two central strikers.

So if you find yourself in league 1, you find a manager who favours your style of football, but who you believe can adapt that towards a goal of promotion from league 1. You recruit players who you can afford, but you try to find players who suit that style (or are at least adaptable to that style), and who have the potential to achieve promotion and go on to more. Remember that you want your manager, coaches, and players to be attracting attention from other teams; it's a sign that things are going well. And if that manager doesn't work, and you don't achieve your aim, you recruit somebody else who you think is good enough and who works within that style.

My point is that you don't throw out everything just because it hasn't worked one time. You don't go from Pulis to Mowbray (for example) with the same set of players and expect it to work. Different managers have different requirements from their teams, but if you make a decision on an overarching ethos for your football club then you don't abandon it at the first sign of difficulty; you have to see it through.

We have to stop making 180-degree changes in direction every time something doesn't work, and expecting to be successful.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Long Term Plan
« on: May 03, 2021, 04:22:30 PM »
Planning is crucial don't get me wrong but you can't underestimate luck. There are only so many things that can be controlled. One bad spell of injuries, one poor season of recruitment, a successful manager and/or technical director being poached away ect. Someone will argue we could have planned better for the last one however there's never a guarantee the replacement will be as successful, no matter how diligent your scouting. Due to finances (or should I say lack of) I don't see how we ever progress from where we are. Even if you get everything right (which is a fantastical thinking) we are pushing it to advance from where we are currently.

I read all that, and I see 'You might fail, so why bother trying?'. It's defeatism. We shouldn't have a long-term plan because we might have a couple of players miss a few games with injury.

There is an Americanism that if you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail, and it's true. We can't control everything, but we can decide our identity as a football club. We can identify a style of football we want the play, and put the players and coaching staff in place to achieve that; we can then judge whether they succeed or fail, but the next manager / head coach / technical director has to prefer the same style. As it is we lurch from pillar to post, never deciding on a style, never setting long-term goals and achievements, and ultimately the 'Little Old Albion' idiots come along to trot out their balls about how we should be grateful. We're well within the top 20 in the all-time table, even now. We had more trophies than Chelsea until Abramovich rolled his tanks up and started firing money at all and sundry. Just because our lowest ebb happened at a point at which most of us started following / became aware of the club it seems to give us a false impression of our standing in the game.

We aren't going to become an all-conquering force but we can at least decide on an identity, and put staff in place at all levels to achieve that. This squad is comprised of players chosen by Tony Pulis, Alan Pardew, Darren Moore, Slaven Bilic, Sam Allardyce, Luke Dowling, Nicky Hammond, and probably a couple of others I've missed. You can't keep recruiting like that and expect to have long term success.

Choose a way you wish to play. Employ managers and coaches to train and play that style throughout the club, at all levels and ages. Recruit players that match that style, operating within or to your budget but never going beyond it. Take a chance on players from outside the UK / the lower leagues as you can. Accept that sometimes you're going to fail and sometimes you're going to succeed. But always follow the principles of what you hope to achieve and how you want to be perceived as a football club.

And for Gods sake, try to reach out to people and create new fans.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: May 02, 2021, 06:10:20 PM »
A squad that would smash Chelsea 5-2 ?
A squad that would achieve automatic promotion 1 year in to a 2 year target?
But this won’t fit the narrative

It is far to simple to say when it’s wrong it’s DOWLING and all the positives are fat Sam or players actually doing their jobs .

The narrative is the narrative because that's the way things are. Dowling has presided over a squad that has gotten worse with every window in terms of overall quality; Bilic did an amazing job to get that squad up, because it was nowhere near good enough. And yet all the best players last season came from Bilic and his contacts.

This season has been a mess, and he has to carry the can for that. Allardyce managed to bring in 4 players which were head and shoulders above most of what we've had all season. Dowling is ultimately in charge of recruitment, and it was his decision to bring back Diangana for a ridiculous fee.

So no, I wouldn't trust him with the money generated from selling Pereira.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New kits 20/21
« on: May 02, 2021, 06:05:49 PM »
Given that next season will be the 20th anniversary of the first Premier League promotion, I'd like to see an updated version of this kit...

It's still one of my favourites, good memories.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: April 05, 2021, 03:28:25 PM »
Gew an ask Big Sam not me  ;D

I would assume that given we had beat Wolves that Sam didn’t want to change a winning side. We played well against West Ham as well in fairness.

I agree with the point that Field has been mismanaged but there are others I hold responsible for that..

I don't even think Sam was a party to any decision about Field. I think it's been obvious his face doesn't fit for a while, and I think he would have found himself moved out regardless of who came in as manager.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Johnstone
« on: April 05, 2021, 02:53:02 PM »
To be fair it was some very quick thinking for the assist. I haven't seen many keepers we've had do something like that.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Chances of survival
« on: April 05, 2021, 02:50:45 PM »
I still don't think it's going to happen, but... wouldn't it be just like Albion to do it? The great escape, the time we caught Wolves, that season we won the Championship title we put a good run of results together at the end...

It's the hope that kills you.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: April 05, 2021, 02:48:14 PM »
As I think I've made clear, I'm not a fan of the man, but credit where it is due. Saturday was a superb performance that had me pinching myself.

I wonder if we approached the game in the way we did because he knows draws are no good to us now? We have to start winning games, and have reached the point where we may as well throw the kitchen sink at it (not that we were quite so gung-ho).

I'm still on the fence about whether I'd want him longer-term, but if we can continue to play well and get results, I can't argue. Also, the other names mentioned are distinctly underwhelming.

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