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The timing is odd, coinciding with the La Liga rights sale. Makes me wonder if there is some politics at play as La Liga won't want to lose Messi either.

Hopefully he does leave though, would be great seeing him playing elsewhere. Would love for it to be England but the Grealish signing might cut off the only realistic option he has here. Maybe Chelsea? Most likely PSG

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Do people want me to add a poll for approximate finishing position?

Yeah that would be a good idea

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: Today at 07:52:42 AM »
Could be awkward if/when Adam Armstrong moves for more money in the same week.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Seals watch - Anything Villa
« on: Yesterday at 10:55:46 PM »
I'm not overly sold on Ings either. Good player, scores goals, but £25m-£30m for a 29 year old with some injury issues is huge money, particularly in this market. It doesn't really make sense either as Watkins outscored him last season, are they planning on a 442? Buendia and Bailey are good Grealish replacements, but I'd have probably spent any additional money on another winger or somebody for the defence.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: Yesterday at 10:48:04 PM »
I still don’t follow. Are you saying Sheffield United are moving to Riyadh and signing  Pereira?

I thought he was saying Sheff Utd ARENT interested in Pereira, but their sister club are 🙃

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: 2021-2022 season predictions
« on: Yesterday at 10:46:53 PM »
I think you're right on Castro. Ismael has apparently made a comment in yesterday's press conference that has been interpreted by some as him saying our summer business might now be over. While Masi of the E&S has refuted this and said we are looking for a striker, he did give the impression that we are near enough done in the window. We might yet sign another player on top of the centre forward, but then the argument goes that we have 4 senior central midfielders at the club, plus Castro.

While I really disagree about our central mid options, if that is the case, Snodgrass has real fitness concerns and Sawyers might not adapt. It opens the door for Castro to be first reserve. I think he stands the best chance of the "kids", just ahead of Gardner-Hickman, Tulloch and Ingram.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: Yesterday at 10:40:54 PM »
If we get one more post mixing up Al Hilal of the UAE and Al Hilal of Saudi, I reckon Jacko's lap top might be going up the wall  🤣

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: 2021-2022 season predictions
« on: Yesterday at 09:50:45 PM »
The main rivals are Sheff Utd, Fulham and Bournemouth based purely on financial state, but QPR, Middlesborough and maybe Cardiff could all challenge the top 6, while Blackburn are now likely to get around £15m-£20m for Armstrong so could reinvest.

We should however have enough to get top 6 - my most likely position has us 4th with a Fulham 2019-20 style season.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / 2021-2022 season predictions
« on: Yesterday at 09:27:47 PM »
It’s probably not the best day to ask this question, but putting emotion to one side for the time being, what are your expectations and predictions for the coming season?

My own:

Albion will have a decent season, but will end up finishing between 3rd and 5th. I don’t think we will lose many - possibly in the top 2 for least games lost, but Sheff Utd and Fulham will get top two, while we struggle to score enough goals to win consistently.

I think our player of the season will be between Grady Diangana or Alex Mowatt. Provided Diangana stays fit, he will be a major headache for most sides and might end up with the most goal contributions (goals/assists combined) in the division.

As I’ve touched on, I think we will struggle for goals this season. We have a strong defence and defensive midfield, plus a good defensive style with Ismael. Going forward however we lack much creative spark behind the front 3 and we don’t have a natural centre forward at this point.

On that goals subject, I’m going out on a limb (of sorts) and saying Karlan Grant continues to struggle for goals. He will possibly keep his place through hard work, and will get some penalties here and there, but I think he will have a Charlie Austin style season and only really get to about 10 goals overall.

Finally, I think we will get a decent cup upset this season, or at least provide some entertainment. Our high octane style will come up against a decent prem side and we will feature in a game that ends up being lauded by the pundits. Bielsa v Ismael maybe?

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: Yesterday at 06:16:04 PM »
We will have to see what the eventual fee works out to be, although it will probably be undisclosed. The club haven’t really handled it well from where I’m sitting, from the Times newspaper revelations all the way through to Val and Pereira both airing dirty laundry in public.

If the fee does end up being £17m, that’s around the same price Palace signed a Championship winger for last year and a lot less than West Ham paid for another Championship winger. Pereira was their equal 2 years ago and arguably had a better season than both in the top flight, and yet his value hasn’t increased.

Maybe give the benefit of the doubt with the market we are operating in, but we need to get better at selling players because I’m yet to see us get the maximum value for a player in the last decade.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Johnstone
« on: Yesterday at 05:15:40 PM »
We haven't had much luck selling players have we. If we're discussing a new contract, it's because both parties know that nobody is interested in Sam. Clearly Prem clubs scouts have watched more of Johnstone than the England set up have and have been fairly sensible in their assessment. Still, thought somebody would be interested at the price.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Tokyo Olympics 2021
« on: Yesterday at 05:11:54 PM »
Despite having a decent Olympics overall, it's starting to look like British Athletics is going to have a stinker. No luck, with a ton of disqualifications and injuries. One medal so far from what I can tell.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: Yesterday at 05:10:21 PM »
Maybe but neither are a rival to us this season, not competitors until and if we get back into the greed league.

You don't have to be in the same division to be rivals. We compete for fans, for gloating rights in the West Midlands, we are rivals in many ways.


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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Johnstone
« on: August 03, 2021, 10:16:03 PM »
No but the club will regret turning down that £11 million bid... Dreadful decision. He will now go for nothing... Or worse case scenario, sign a new contract and we're lumbered with him for another 3 years.

Has there been an £11m bid? The West Ham bid has been reported in the local press as actually less than £6m.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: August 02, 2021, 11:41:43 PM »
Not many are criticising the board are they? I’ve seen lots of people frustrated at the situation, but not much open criticism of the board. Certainly not enough to qualify as a “hysterical meltdown”.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Transfer Window Watch (Non Albion)
« on: August 02, 2021, 11:39:59 PM »
Will be a good signing for them as their current incumbents are some of the worst goalkeepers I have seen.

I was listening to five live on the way back from going out tonight and it was the Scottish football show. The pundits up were were claiming that Celtic might have the worst goalkeepers in the SPL now. They went as far as name checking around 7 other SPL keepers at different clubs as proof. Really surprised me given the lack of money up there. What’s gone wrong at Celtic?

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: August 02, 2021, 11:33:32 PM »
My point is that if Pereira is sold for £20m or £25m then a meltdown may well be called for and I might be part of it, but people are getting hysterical about worthless media speculation that nobody sensible should be placing any significant reliance on.

You’re doing it again. “Hysterical”. It’s no more “hysterical” than you were over Bilic (which as I’ve said previously, I wouldn’t call hysterical either).

I’m also confused about which “worthless media speculation” you are referring to. You mean the quotes in the local media that came from the managers own lips, or the statement published on the player’s Twitter account which all but confirmed the Al Hilal offer?

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Adam Reach signs
« on: August 02, 2021, 11:28:34 PM »
Funny that the club are saying it’s a fourth summer signing, when Castro was originally meant to be a youth academy/under 23’s addition. That feels slightly like they are massaging the numbers for PR reasons. Just an observation.

As I’ve said, I’d have preferred we look to sign a first team wing back this season if I’m really honest as I think Townsend and Furlong have been willing but limited over the last 2 years, but this signing probably indicates we are going with what we have in both positions.

Reach does give us cover in a couple of positions and hopefully Liam is right in that some of the Wednesday fan criticism is down to recency bias, combined with him having been a victim of his own versatility.

A free transfer and hopefully not big wages, it does give us some more wriggle room with funds to sign a centre forward and hopefully a central midfielder with a bit of creativity.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: August 02, 2021, 11:17:34 PM »
Yes, proven to be correct about a strategic decision that the board took that hurt the club as opposed to fans having a meltdown about media speculation on what may or may not happen in the transfer window.

By September we shall know if Pereira if with us or not and what sort of money we have got in for him if he has gone - I will then let everyone know what I think about it all. Until then gaslighting about tweets is pointless.

Avoiding the wasps nest that is the Bilic debate, you can’t accuse fans of “having a meltdown” (cliche alert) on this, but then say your own posts after the Bilic sacking are perfectly reasonable and we’re in no way, shape or form also a “meltdown”. The reality is that I wouldn’t call your views a meltdown and I wouldn’t call people being disappointed about this emerging situation as a meltdown either. It’s an overused insult for when you don’t like hearing what’s being said.


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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: August 02, 2021, 11:07:46 PM »
You wouldn't begrudge him a move to Liverpool though, that's a serious football club who will pay (close to) the going rate.

I wouldn’t at all, but I mention Liverpool because as you will probably know better than anyone on here, Michael Edwards has a knack of mastering the transfer window.

If Liverpool are now interested, it’s because Edwards will have spotted a weakness and a chance to pick a player up at below market value. Pereira is a £30m player if he is at Norwich or Brighton. They might now get him for £20m, maybe even less.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: August 02, 2021, 11:05:46 PM »
It's hardly the end of the world for a player preferring to move away to sit out first team action in pre-season. Nothing has happened - unless you are talking about fans on a forum having a meltdown.

Those in glass houses - don’t forget how you were post Bilic. I’m talking about the fact that we do seem to have a habit of these acrimonious exits. It seems clubs like Norwich can keep their own transfer sagas in house (see Buendia over the last 12 months), while our club is littered with Berahinos, Odemwingies, Fergusons, Davies’, and to a lesser degree Johnny Evans. Add Pereira to the long recent list.

I just wish we could sell a player without any fuss and depressing ends.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: August 02, 2021, 10:51:10 PM »
This is turning into the exact type of situation that we didn’t want

But sadly, the situation many correctly predicted would happen months ago. It doesn't matter if there was no evidence he would want to leave as some said, for some reason, it happens at this football club EVERY SINGLE TIME.

Youth players, senior players, something about the club's situation seems to make us ripe for acrimonious exits. This is the true "Albion way".

Liverpool are now rumoured to have joined the race, which for me I see as code for the fact clubs have realised there is a bargain to be had. Get ready for £20m being the knock down price. Thoroughly depressing.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: August 01, 2021, 11:35:35 PM »
Yeah I get CoVID has had an impact, but Eze, Benrahma, Watkins, Diangana and Grant all moved for substantial fees off the back of Championship performances half way through the pandemic last summer, while this summer players are still moving for some eye watering fees. Southampton want £6m for a striker in Obafemi who has 4 senior goals while Blackburn are supposedly asking for £20m+ for Armstrong.

Even in this market, I’m surprised clubs aren’t queuing up to sign Pereira when the fee isn’t eye watering. You can basically get a double threat goals and assists player for less than £30m and nobody seems interested, other than trying to get him for 2011 prices it seems.

Thought there would be more interest in Johnstone and Pereira but their competitive price tags still don’t seem to be enough.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: August 01, 2021, 11:15:44 PM »
I feel like Ismael has maybe been a bit too candid with going public about the Pereira situation. If we have a toxic situation in the open then it could make our bargaining position weaker. Then again, maybe Ismael isn’t too fussed about that as he just wants some limited funds in as quickly as possible  to get a couple more players and so if it’s £15m, £20m or £30m, it doesn’t really matter to him.

It’s playing out exactly as some of us thought it might, with a miserable summer transfer saga, I’m just surprised so far at the lack of interest in a player who is probably available at a relatively reasonable price and who had such a good second half to last season. When top Championship playmakers are costing you between £18m-£25m (Eze, Maddison, Benrahma all in recent years), then a premier league proven player like Pereira must surely be a bargain at £25, which is the price I think we would probably accept.

I am worried that he could very easily end up going out on loan this year, or that we end up accepting a really disappointing fee. We never really seem to be able to sell players at peak value.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Tokyo Olympics 2021
« on: August 01, 2021, 02:38:03 PM »
Britain mens hockey side knocked out by what look an average Indian side. Further confirms how we don't punch our weight in (mens) team sports. For a nation our side, we are rarely world number 1 in anything. Limited overs cricket, that's about it.

Australia in with a great chance of Gold, while they also do well in Crocket, Rugby Unio, Rugby League, while they compete in sports like Volleyball, Basketball, Baseball, Handball etc. We could learn a lot.

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