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Title: New Manager Thread 2020 (Archive)
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 11, 2021, 09:11:59 PM
Following our relegation from the Premier League and the clause within Sam Allardyce’ contract, we have agreed to create the following thread for all future managerial discussion as we plan our next steps.

This should prevent the other threads on the forum from being taken over by the managerial speculation.

A poll has been added for members to vote on their preferred candidate. The names within the poll have been taken from the previous bookmakers odds for the hot seat. Some current out of work managers who were linked previously have been added. Willing to add more if I’ve missed someone obvious.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on May 11, 2021, 09:34:59 PM
Wheres Pulis?  :P
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 11, 2021, 09:37:41 PM
Marco Silva
Enzo Maresca
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 11, 2021, 09:37:53 PM
Wheres Pulis?  :P

Permanent ban for anyone suggesting him  :D
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: BB74 on May 11, 2021, 09:41:19 PM
I picked McInnes but I was meant to pick Allardyce!  ???
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 11, 2021, 09:41:33 PM
Frank Lampard, need to include him. Great job at Derby, prematurely sacked at Chelsea. Would play to the strengths of Pereira and Grady and bring though the younger players like Tulloch. Also good contacts at the bridge to raid their massive squad.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 11, 2021, 09:44:21 PM
Alright, whos picked Mark Hughes?!?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 11, 2021, 09:45:42 PM
Alright, whos picked Mark Hughes?!?

 :D a truly terrible choice.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: alex1 on May 11, 2021, 09:56:19 PM
Before anyone chooses Chris Wilder, bear in mind Sheff Utd scored just 18 goals this season. An appalling record and only just half of what we scored. If we chose him, the football would be a poorer version of Allardyce's. Very much one of British football's dinosaur managers. 
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 11, 2021, 09:56:42 PM
Frank Lampard, need to include him. Great job at Derby, prematurely sacked at Chelsea. Would play to the strengths of Pereira and Grady and bring though the younger players like Tulloch. Also good contacts at the bridge to raid their massive squad.

I’ve added him - I just thought it was unlikely. I could see him holding out for a job at a club like Palace rather than joining our managerial graveyard.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Dexy on May 11, 2021, 09:58:37 PM
Before anyone chooses Chris Wilder, bear in mind Sheff Utd scored just 18 goals this season. An appalling record and only just half of what we scored. If we chose him, the football would be a poorer version of Allardyce's. Very much one of British football's dinosaur managers.
Not for me , grim thought.
Wasn't shy getting digs in at Sheff Utds owners despite spending loads .
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: wba1993dave on May 11, 2021, 10:02:49 PM
Enzo Maresca -  would be a exciting appointment.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: leeiswba on May 11, 2021, 10:05:40 PM
Enzo Maresca -  would be a exciting appointment.

Seen a few people mention him, he’s never been a manager has he? Been at city’s academy for 8 or so months.

Comes across as another one of those who wouldn’t be in the frame or mentioned at all if he didn’t play for us years ago.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: leeiswba on May 11, 2021, 10:06:37 PM
Not that it really makes any difference, but doubt if the Allardyce alliance on here would ever accept another option. Talk about dogs abuse!

I want Allardyce to stay but if not I’ll be 100% behind the new chap, no reason for me not to be.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: wbasoprano on May 11, 2021, 10:08:38 PM
Seen a few people mention him, he’s never been a manager has he? Been at city’s academy for 8 or so months.

Comes across as another one of those who wouldn’t be in the frame or mentioned at all if he didn’t play for us years ago.

I'm only interested in Maresca if he can bring a few loanees with him from City's ridiculously stacked squad. Voted for Allardyce as there's no better option available.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 11, 2021, 10:09:25 PM
Before anyone chooses Chris Wilder, bear in mind Sheff Utd scored just 18 goals this season. An appalling record and only just half of what we scored. If we chose him, the football would be a poorer version of Allardyce's. Very much one of British football's dinosaur managers.

Correct and they were just as abject in front of goal last season. Not fit for purpose - the decision to swap Robinson for Burke alone should be a disqualifier.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 11, 2021, 10:09:37 PM
Can we add Mr Nigel Pearson please

Hasn’t he just signed a new 3 year deal with Bristol City?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: festerp on May 11, 2021, 10:10:06 PM
I'd like to see Michael Appleton, if not him then Danny Cowley.  Both have done good at Lincoln.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 11, 2021, 10:11:20 PM
Seen a few people mention him, he’s never been a manager has he? Been at city’s academy for 8 or so months. Comes across as another one of those who wouldn’t be in the frame or mentioned at all if he didn’t play for us years ago.

Yes, he would be a ridiculous choice as he would be so far out of his depth. You don't go from putting the cones out for children to commanding a premiership promotion push. Even worse I'm not sure he ever learnt English, and communication is everything.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 11, 2021, 10:11:58 PM
I think we'll stay with Allardyce but I know who I want.

Lucian Favre, as stated in another thread he's probably too ahead of us and we should've got him 5/6 years ago when he went to Nice, but if Bielsa can go to Leeds, we could try and land him. Largely a success wherever he goes and with a strong philosophy of attacking and passing football (meaning we could salvage Bilic's framework and players) while not ignoring the defensive side of the game, also has a known success rate with youth players and most importantly... is available right now.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 11, 2021, 10:13:16 PM
I'd like to see Michael Appleton, if not him then Danny Cowley.  Both have done good at Lincoln.

Danny Cowley who likes his teams to resemble Rugby League outfits and was worse than useless at Huddersfield? No to Appleton as well. It's a completely different job managing a club in the top end of Championship to Lincoln, the level of football coaching, tactics is completely different, night and day, almost two different sports.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Albionic on May 11, 2021, 10:13:35 PM
Hasn’t he just signed a new 3 year deal with Bristol City?
Wasn't aware of that have deleted the request.

1 step closer to me getting on team Allardyce
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 11, 2021, 10:14:01 PM
Hasn’t he just signed a new 3 year deal with Bristol City?

Regardless Nigel Person whilst one of the better shouts is an absolute nutter and a bit too unstable.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 11, 2021, 10:18:39 PM
I think we'll stay with Allardyce but I know who I want.

Lucian Favre, as stated in another thread he's probably too ahead of us and we should've got him 5/6 years ago when he went to Nice, but if Bielsa can go to Leeds, we could try and land him. Largely a success wherever he goes and with a strong philosophy of attacking and passing football (meaning we could salvage Bilic's framework and players) while not ignoring the defensive side of the game, also has a known success rate with youth players and most importantly... is available right now.

Lucian Favre flopped at Dortmund, with all their might, which gives me grave concerns he could do anything at the Albion. That said, his prior CV is very impressive. Can't see why he would be interested in managing us in the championship with a meagre budget and owners trying to flee the club. Definitely one of the more interesting and forward thinking names in this thread.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Albionic on May 11, 2021, 10:20:40 PM
Regardless Nigel Person whilst one of the better shouts is an absolute nutter and a bit too unstable.
Nah! he is just a character  ;D  I like his abrasiveness mixed with unusual communicative skills
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Dexy on May 11, 2021, 10:20:48 PM
Maresca was Assistant at West Ham for a fair while so not just kids at City .Played in several countries , picked up languages . Think he will be a useful manager in time but not ready now .
I'd be more interested in him than say Wilder for instance though .
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 11, 2021, 10:21:47 PM
Regardless Nigel Person whilst one of the better shouts is an absolute nutter and a bit too unstable.

Where are you putting your money so we can interrogate your suggestion?  ;D
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: brummyroader on May 11, 2021, 10:21:57 PM
Genuinely see no negatives for Big Sam for next season. Has multiple promotions on his CV, will identify weaknesses and rectify a full pre season should see this lot fitter than ever.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Dexy on May 11, 2021, 10:22:11 PM
Nah! he is just a character  ;D  I like his abrasiveness mixed with unusual communicative skills
I like his Twitter posts that end in " Cheers Nige " like he's your milk man ;D
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: alex1 on May 11, 2021, 10:22:48 PM
My real choice would be Ralf Rangnick, currently looking to manage a 'traditional' German or English club. The bloke is credited with teaching Nagelsmann and Tuchel a lot about football tactics etc. The slim hope I have is that he was heavily linked with us about 8 or 9 years ago. Obviously being relegated doesn't make WBA more attractive, but there again, he was engaged in serious negotiations to manage Schalke when it was obvious they would be relegated. 

However, realistically I doubt Dowlling would be looking at anyone without an English track record, so I've voted for Lampard. He plays good expansive football, and was obviously prepared to manage Derby, a club of similar size to us.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: johnny Cash on May 11, 2021, 10:23:04 PM
Enzo could go on to be a great manager, we just don’t know.   

I’d agree it’s a gamble we can’t afford to take though. Arteta should be enough to show doing well in a role at city doesn’t mean you’ll be an instant success elsewhere and we do need early success next year. I doubt there would be any calls for him if he wasn’t an ex-player.

I was pro allardyce staying anyway, but that list makes me more so.  At one point Potter was rumoured to be under threat and I’d have snapped him up if he had been dismissed but I suspect he was never really in danger. 
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggies_24 on May 11, 2021, 10:23:08 PM
Before anyone chooses Chris Wilder, bear in mind Sheff Utd scored just 18 goals this season. An appalling record and only just half of what we scored. If we chose him, the football would be a poorer version of Allardyce's. Very much one of British football's dinosaur managers. 

Sheffield United played some cracking football under Wilder, I remember when they beat us at home under big Dave they completely played us off the park. Every time I watched them it was high tempo attacking football and they ran for days, far more in the mould of Bielsa than Allardyce.  Remember he took a mid table league 1 team to 9th in the Premier League on absolute peanuts. I think they more than anyone really missed fans this year as they played with a intensity last season that wasn’t there this year, they had some long term injuries to key players early on in the season & boardroom upheaval. Granted his record this season was awful & the last transfer window was dire however he did also sign players like Enda Stevens & Jack O’Connel combined cost 350k.

Given the fact we need to get promoted within 2 seasons of been down I’d take the guy who last got promoted in 2019 & has been promoted 3 times since Allardyce last got a team up. As a manager I’d have him in a heartbeat however I would have massive reservations over him & Dowling leading transfers.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Albionic on May 11, 2021, 10:23:37 PM
Anyone consider giving Steve Clarke another gig !
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Dexy on May 11, 2021, 10:25:24 PM
Genuinely see no negatives for Big Sam for next season. Has multiple promotions on his CV, will identify weaknesses and rectify a full pre season should see this lot fitter than ever.
Certain things I don't like but I feel like he has already starting building and shaping things behind the scenes and player wise , the back four for example would be good enough . Gut feeling tells me Dowling and co won't finance him to stay though .
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 11, 2021, 10:26:28 PM
What Bruno Labbadia been up to lately? He was rumoured to have had several interviews before we opted for Bilic. Wonder if he will be back in the frame again
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 11, 2021, 10:30:15 PM
Lucian Favre flopped at Dortmund, with all their might, which gives me grave concerns he could do anything at the Albion. That said, his prior CV is very impressive. Can't see why he would be interested in managing us in the championship with a meagre budget and owners trying to flee the club. Definitely one of the more interesting and forward thinking names in this thread.
"flopped" is a relative term. he had a poor 6 months where they were 5th and ended up finishing 4th. other wise he got 2nd twice.

for context, look at Klopp's last season where they finished 7th and in a similar overall position in terms of their ability compared to the rest of the league, AND that was at a time where there wasn't a 3rd main rival in RB Leipzig to contend with.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: alex1 on May 11, 2021, 10:35:02 PM
I think we'll stay with Allardyce but I know who I want.

Lucian Favre, as stated in another thread he's probably too ahead of us and we should've got him 5/6 years ago when he went to Nice, but if Bielsa can go to Leeds, we could try and land him. Largely a success wherever he goes and with a strong philosophy of attacking and passing football (meaning we could salvage Bilic's framework and players) while not ignoring the defensive side of the game, also has a known success rate with youth players and most importantly... is available right now.
I saw quite a bit of Borussia M'Gladbach under Favre, and would agree he plays entertaining attacking football. The other Borussia, Dortmund, then snapped him up, but I think he was only able to take them so far. It looked like the players stopped playing for him.  That said, I'd be more than happy with Favre, if he was interested.
I've no idea what his english is like, which for Rangnick wouldn't be a problem.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: kc56wba on May 11, 2021, 10:38:45 PM
Well thank god Chris Brunt aye on the list.  ;D   It's Allardyce for me.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: brummyroader on May 11, 2021, 10:40:13 PM
Certain things I don't like but I feel like he has already starting building and shaping things behind the scenes and player wise , the back four for example would be good enough . Gut feeling tells me Dowling and co won't finance him to stay though .

I fear you’ll be right, even if your not a big Sam fan if he doesn’t say it doesn’t offer any encouragement about how we plan to go about things in the summer. 
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on May 11, 2021, 10:41:39 PM
Anyone consider giving Steve Clarke another gig !

Yes should never have been sacked
I'd argue we've never recovered from that point
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Standaman on May 11, 2021, 10:50:52 PM
Short list of Evatt, Robbins and Appleton.

I might ask Vieira if he has the same bucket list as Bilic you never know although I don't want another high profile coach really except possibly Clarence Seedorf but only because he is just well you know he's Clarence Seedorf and I know he  probably isn't cut out to be a coach but............

Hughes or Lampard? I'd rather have Allardyce  which is saying something.


What Bruno Labbadia been up to lately? He was rumoured to have had several interviews before we opted for Bilic. Wonder if he will be back in the frame again

He is really the German Allardyce recruited by Hertha Berlin to sort out Klinnsman's  mess but couldn't really get them moving in the right direction and left them embroiled in another relegation battle which is absolutely not where the club wants to be. Available and probably now run out of road in Germany. 
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Albionic on May 11, 2021, 10:56:46 PM
Hasselbaink ???
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Standaman on May 11, 2021, 11:02:54 PM
Hasselbaink ???

Only ever been any good with teams called Albion....wait a minute.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on May 11, 2021, 11:17:43 PM
What a depressing list of names.

Sam all day for me
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: overseas baggie on May 11, 2021, 11:29:32 PM
So was Wilder awful when he got Blades promoted?  Was he awful when they had a great season last year?   Of course not.

These manager forums infuriate me.  Every manager fails at some point. Wenger, Mourinho, Pochettino, some of the best in the game ever FOR A PERIOD, end up failing when they have a squad of players for whom their methods stop working. Quite often it's after around 3 years. 

Any manager who hasn't failed somewhere else at some point won't be coming here, unless he's a novice who hasn't failed yet.

Sacked managers are only a problem if their methods don't work and they keep making the same mistakes.  Mourinho, Hughes, Pulis prime examples.  The good ones learn and improve.

If it's not Allardyce then for me Wilder is ideal. I see no reason why he shouldn't reproduce what he's already achieved.  Steve Clarke wouldn't be the worst option at all, nor would Lampard.  And if Roy Hodgson fancies one last job with the right assistant to follow him I'd jump at it.

Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: alex1 on May 11, 2021, 11:30:07 PM
What Bruno Labbadia been up to lately? He was rumoured to have had several interviews before we opted for Bilic. Wonder if he will be back in the frame again
He's become a bit of a jorneyman in the Bundesliga. He comes across very positive, but he didn't match Hertha Berlin's ambition in his last job. Before that he got Wolfsburg into the Europa League. 
One interesting name is Edin Terzic, the 'interim' Borussia Dortmund manager. He is still young, but was assistant to Billic at West Ham, so speaks decent English. In fact , he must be quite a support for Sancho and Bellingham at Dortmund. Although he is interim Head Coach only until the summer, he hasn't done bad in the last few months and has got them to their cup final on Thursday.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: PartisanBaggie on May 11, 2021, 11:40:41 PM
It’s Allardyce for me.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: alex1 on May 12, 2021, 12:02:13 AM
Sheffield United played some cracking football under Wilder, I remember when they beat us at home under big Dave they completely played us off the park. Every time I watched them it was high tempo attacking football and they ran for days, far more in the mould of Bielsa than Allardyce.  Remember he took a mid table league 1 team to 9th in the Premier League on absolute peanuts. I think they more than anyone really missed fans this year as they played with a intensity last season that wasn’t there this year, they had some long term injuries to key players early on in the season & boardroom upheaval. Granted his record this season was awful & the last transfer window was dire however he did also sign players like Enda Stevens & Jack O’Connel combined cost 350k.

Given the fact we need to get promoted within 2 seasons of been down I’d take the guy who last got promoted in 2019 & has been promoted 3 times since Allardyce last got a team up. As a manager I’d have him in a heartbeat however I would have massive reservations over him & Dowling leading transfers.
Whenever I've seen Sheff Utd this season, they've looked clueless, particularly in the creative part of the pitch. Which would explain how they only managed to find the net 18 times. He was still expecting Olly Burke to deliver.  Chris Wilder is too much old school and not enough innovation, compared to a manager like Graham Potter.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Standaman on May 12, 2021, 12:05:18 AM
He's become a bit of a jorneyman in the Bundesliga. He comes across very positive, but he didn't match Hertha Berlin's ambition in his last job. Before that he got Wolfsburg into the Europa League. 
One interesting name is Edin Terzic, the 'interim' Borussia Dortmund manager. He is still young, but was assistant to Billic at West Ham, so speaks decent English. In fact , he must be quite a support for Sancho and Bellingham at Dortmund. Although he is interim Head Coach only until the summer, he hasn't done bad in the last few months and has got them to their cup final on Thursday.

I would have thought that Terzic's stock would be pretty high in Germany given the uptick in Dortmund's form. I think I heard or read somewhere that given the International nature of Dortmund's squad Farve was coaching in English because that was the one common language all the players shared.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on May 12, 2021, 12:21:09 AM
What a depressing list of names.

Sam all day for me

Same for me on both counts.

I just despair at the merry-go-round of failure we've been on. Swapping useless managers with Fulham, Palace, Stoke and the like. It's frankly shameful.

Is it too much to hope for that the Footballing director is keeping an eye on promising coaches in Europe who have good English and who may well be a big hit?

Given the options i'm certain Sam is the best choice for now. Once he had them on the training pitch we improved to be an ok lower-mid-table team.

When he came in i feared Pulis style hoofball and we've not done that. Short of a miracle, if he's willing to stay, then keep him.

 
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: mig on May 12, 2021, 12:21:22 AM
If Barnsley don't go up then I would be looking at Valerien Ismael. He would be a great appointment if we had any semblance of a long-term strategy...but we don't so i doubt he is on our radar at all.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: MarkW on May 12, 2021, 12:29:57 AM
There's been a real shift in Germany to promote coaches who have done their time in an Academy setup. Most of the best coaches do their Fußball Lehrer (top German qualification) and then take an academy team, before getting a first team gig. Nagelsmann definitely came through this route.

It make you think, is there a German youth coach we could get? Or maybe an English one?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: MarkW on May 12, 2021, 12:30:29 AM
If Barnsley don't go up then I would be looking at Valerien Ismael. He would be a great appointment if we had any semblance of a long-term strategy...but we don't so i doubt he is on our radar at all.

His football is bonkers. Would be hilarious to watched Livermore and Sawyers try to play his way.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 12, 2021, 01:58:43 AM
The alternatives to Allardyce in that poll are utterly grim.

Sam's the man.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie38 on May 12, 2021, 03:35:06 AM
Has to be Allerdyce.

If not then if Barnsley don't go up their gaffer.

Keep well away from Monk, and Alex Neil. If we appoint Alex Neil I won't go up until he leaves what an uninspiring appointment that would be. We need to be excited as fans this summer.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on May 12, 2021, 04:19:44 AM
What an underwhelming selection to choose from!
Why can't we find a Daniel Farke from somewhere?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 12, 2021, 04:49:33 AM
Seen a few people mention him, he’s never been a manager has he? Been at city’s academy for 8 or so months.

Comes across as another one of those who wouldn’t be in the frame or mentioned at all if he didn’t play for us years ago.
So dismissive, he has served his apprenticeship under Pellegrini and Guardiola. I would rather take a chance with him, than anyone in the list other than possibly Allardyce, (and I don't really want him either!)
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie38 on May 12, 2021, 06:22:03 AM
I actually think Enzo would be exciting. Completely out of the blue a clean slate young upcoming coach. He would no doubt some attractive names and some promising youth. Very very unlikely though given we are talking about Luke Dowling. It will either be big Sam for the safe route or someone tried and tested (Wilder, Alex Neil) oh and dare I say John Terry. Dowling likes him last I heard and we have his brother at the club as it is (Jobs for the boys).
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Standaman on May 12, 2021, 06:53:44 AM
The possibility of picking up a young coach from Germany has been largely closed by the new work permits rules. To qualify the minimum requirement is the applicant would have to of held a Head Coach position for a club in a Teir 1 league which would rule out coaches like Farke and Wagner who were working with the B Teams before they were appointed by their English clubs. .

I would not generally appoint a rookie to the position while Enzo Maresca has worked with some the best coaches around he has no experience as a Head Coach at any level.

We have now had mention of another name that is actually worse than Allardyce, John Terry that takes the list to 3.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 12, 2021, 07:17:25 AM
My real choice would be Ralf Rangnick, currently looking to manage a 'traditional' German or English club. The bloke is credited with teaching Nagelsmann and Tuchel a lot about football tactics etc. The slim hope I have is that he was heavily linked with us about 8 or 9 years ago. Obviously being relegated doesn't make WBA more attractive, but there again, he was engaged in serious negotiations to manage Schalke when it was obvious they would be relegated. 

However, realistically I doubt Dowlling would be looking at anyone without an English track record, so I've voted for Lampard. He plays good expansive football, and was obviously prepared to manage Derby, a club of similar size to us.
Don’t think he would be bad for the club at all....but most of his experience is behind the manager in a mainly DOF role...him plus some one like maresca/Veira/Henry may be an absolute dream team.
I just don’t think that’s where we are looking.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: colinmax on May 12, 2021, 07:23:02 AM
just like when we plucked Ron Atkinson from obscurity are there no up and coming managers in the EFL who have got teams promoted perhaps more than once who we could check on ?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheBaggieMan on May 12, 2021, 07:26:46 AM
Anyone on the list BUT PLEASE, PLEASE NOT Allardyce
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 12, 2021, 07:31:40 AM
I’ve gone lampard

Pluses
You would think he knows about midfield?
He would undoubtedly bring names that we wouldn’t ordinarily have access too
The board will know he is more marketable and therefore release a bit more funding
WHEN we win the league, he is best placed from the list to step back in to the prem
He still has a pair of size 10s
It would upset derby

Negatives
Frank lampards West Brom
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: overseas baggie on May 12, 2021, 07:43:03 AM
His football is bonkers. Would be hilarious to watched Livermore and Sawyers try to play his way.

Ismail's football is like Bielsa on speed.   Very exciting but if it took too long to adapt to the change of style then early points dropped could be very costly.

Of younger English managers maybe Mark Robins should get a mention.  Has done a really job at Coventry
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SmethDan on May 12, 2021, 07:51:45 AM
Yes, he would be a ridiculous choice as he would be so far out of his depth. You don't go from putting the cones out for children to commanding a premiership promotion push. Even worse I'm not sure he ever learnt English, and communication is everything.

I can confirm Enzo Maresca speaks English. As for the Cowleys whom you mention elsewhere they did a decent job keeping Huddersfield up in the circumstances. I'm not touting for Maresca or the Cowleys, just adding points to the thread.

On a wider point at this moment I have no idea who I want as manager. I'm neither pro nor anti Allardyce but I can see both sides of the argument to his appointment. For playing style I'm more for a Potter than a Pulis but in an ideal world our new incumbent should be able to marry both styles.

I'm not too sure who'll be on our list of targets who combines defensive solidity with forward moving possession based football. Or most importantly perhaps who combines the two and is happy and willing to manage us.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Adder on May 12, 2021, 07:58:28 AM
just like when we plucked Ron Atkinson from obscurity are there no up and coming managers in the EFL who have got teams promoted perhaps more than once who we could check on ?
Just a suggestion, Neil Critchley at Blackpool could come into that category. He was in charge of Liverpool under 23s before Blackpool appointed him. Don't know a great deal about the playing style but they seemed to have a young energetic team against us in the cup. They're in the playoffs after finishing third.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: boinging_along on May 12, 2021, 08:08:27 AM
The thread title got my hopes up for a second!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 12, 2021, 08:13:44 AM
Unless the club opt for an unknown left field appointment then the list just goes to show how poor the quality of candidates that are out of there.

This appointment will be risky enough given the incompetencies of the owners and Dowling. We are also likely to require a overhaul of the playing staff.

For me, the safest option is giving the job to Sam Allardyce.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Floydy on May 12, 2021, 08:18:41 AM
Valerien Ismael from Barnsley if they don't get promoted please.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on May 12, 2021, 08:21:42 AM
The thread title got my hopes up for a second!

Had the opposite effect for me oddly enough....
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggiejohn on May 12, 2021, 08:37:15 AM
I've gone other.

Without knowing what the owner is thinking, it's impossible to predict.

If it's a quick fix sticking plaster job, then Sam's the man, if he's thinking longer term, then there's likely to be a number of candidates available that we don't know about.

Personally, if the owner is looking longer term, I wouldn't mind giving Darren Moore another go.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: WoysWunderful on May 12, 2021, 09:04:49 AM
Paul cook for me, and he'd be cheap
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: hardtobeat on May 12, 2021, 09:08:57 AM
Off that list I voted Lampard . I wouldn’t dismiss Terry as lightly as some have done , presumably that’s about the person not the coach. I would also add Critchley to the list his success at Blackpool showing that there are good candidates not yet necessarily NO1s possibly including the likes of Maresca , Carrick . Shakespeare to I feel may come into the reckoning. Those names to me are much more appealing than the likes of Neil ,Rowett, etc . If you want a real left field appt what about Roy , rumours rife Palace will replace him but he’s saying he’s no intention of retiring !!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SmethDan on May 12, 2021, 09:33:23 AM
Paul cook for me, and he'd be cheap

Good manager, no idea how much it would take to prise him away from Ipswich.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Albionic on May 12, 2021, 09:39:40 AM
Good manager, no idea how much it would take to prise him away from Ipswich.

Hasn't hit the ground running at Ipswich, remains to be seen how he gets on there, new board at Portman road may give him some cash to build with, (re-assess his progress at xmas IMO)
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: tuamigos on May 12, 2021, 09:54:21 AM
Off that list I voted Lampard . I wouldn’t dismiss Terry as lightly as some have done , presumably that’s about the person not the coach. I would also add Critchley to the list his success at Blackpool showing that there are good candidates not yet necessarily NO1s possibly including the likes of Maresca , Carrick . Shakespeare to I feel may come into the reckoning. Those names to me are much more appealing than the likes of Neil ,Rowett, etc . If you want a real left field appt what about Roy , rumours rife Palace will replace him but he’s saying he’s no intention of retiring !!

No disrespect to the man but I think he needs his pipe and slippers now.
He's looked shell shocked most of the season when he's been on the side lines.
Retire with dignity Roy, this job would see you off.

Personally I would go with Lampard.
Not quite up to it at Chelsea but then he gain he's relatively new to the job.
Could end up with some young exciting players in the team if he comes, still has the ears of Chelsea I would imagine.

Is it too much to hope that we restructure the club from top to bottom?
Get a proper director of football on board (Dan Ashworth or Rasmus Ankersen type) , get a manager that we have faith in and give him the time to build a team and a set up a proper footballing legacy. Get a board that has a vision for the future.

I know I'll be disappointed  :(
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: smethwickw on May 12, 2021, 09:57:35 AM
How about Steve Cooper (assuming Swansea don't go up).
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 12, 2021, 10:00:58 AM
I plumped for Lampard but it wouldn't happen. We wouldn't show that ambition and he wouldn't look at us twice (as someone said, managerial graveyeard).

That said, Sam would be my other choice - a very different option I know, but this club has to start showing some continuity at some point. I would say his approach isn't exciting, but that 5-2 result and the match itself showed there was still potential for this squad under his tutelage... flash in the pan maybe...
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: cads_ap_albion on May 12, 2021, 10:09:40 AM
I am confident that it won't be Allardyce. We will not meet his demands today.


My fear is we will go for the cheap option - managers out of contract or out of work e.g.Wilder, McInnes. However i guess if we do go for Wilder, we will have to pay off some of his pay off!

The issue is we need a long term approach - i.e. like Norwich - get promoted, relegated and then strengthened and then rebuild.

The constant chopping of ethos and style does not help the squad or the development of the wider academy.

Who do I want? Cook, Cooper - someone up and coming and that isn't a dinosaur. we have to win games in the championship.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: P Anderson on May 12, 2021, 10:15:48 AM
Is Eddie Howe still looking for employment? He would be my choice
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on May 12, 2021, 10:18:14 AM
Ismail's football is like Bielsa on speed.   Very exciting but if it took too long to adapt to the change of style then early points dropped could be very costly.

Of younger English managers maybe Mark Robins should get a mention.  Has done a really job at Coventry

Sounds good but we would need a new team to play that way, and I dont see that happening anytime soon.....
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: MarkW on May 12, 2021, 10:22:20 AM
How about Allardyce as DOF and a younger manager as Head Coach?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SmethDan on May 12, 2021, 10:22:53 AM
Is Eddie Howe still looking for employment? He would be my choice

Been favourite for the Celtic job for a while. Used to working with a big budget at Bournemouth. Not sure we'd be on each other's radars.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 12, 2021, 10:45:10 AM
Where are you putting your money so we can interrogate your suggestion?  ;D

My choice would be Lampard but I voted under others before he was added.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 12, 2021, 10:46:45 AM
Anyone consider giving Steve Clarke another gig !

Should never have been sacked in the first place. Superb job everywhere he has gone. That was our high point.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Dexy on May 12, 2021, 10:51:29 AM
Should never have been sacked in the first place. Superb job everywhere he has gone. That was our high point.
Wouldn't say superb as Reading didn't go well but agree was let down by Mcdonough meddling behind he scenes , Anelka was a huge weight around Clarke's neck though .
Just looked and he won 9 of his last 41 Premier games according to Wiki .
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 12, 2021, 10:53:40 AM
Is it too much to hope for that the Footballing director is keeping an eye on promising coaches in Europe who have good English and who may well be a big hit?

We had one of those and sacked him in December. One of the drawbacks about our short-termism is that any manager who we can persuade to come in will know they too will be sacked pretty sharpish if we go back up and start to struggle again in the premiership, even if they have been given a tinpot budget to work with. So if your coach trying to make a imprint on a club like Lampard you might be better off looking elsewhere.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Albionic on May 12, 2021, 10:54:09 AM
Should never have been sacked in the first place. Superb job everywhere he has gone. That was our high point.

I would MUCH prefer this option to Allardyce, but we would need owner to be patient when he got us back up. (unlikely IMO)
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 12, 2021, 11:00:05 AM
Wouldn't say superb as Reading didn't go well but agree was let down by Mcdonough meddling behind he scenes , Anelka was a huge weight around Clarke's neck though .
Just looked and he won 9 of his last 41 Premier games according to Wiki .

That last 10 or 11 months was dreadful. The Cardiff game that finally saw him off was a massive relief.

Also, never go back.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 12, 2021, 11:01:01 AM
Wouldn't say superb as Reading didn't go well but agree was let down by Mcdonough meddling behind he scenes , Anelka was a huge weight around Clarke's neck though .
Just looked and he won 9 of his last 41 Premier games according to Wiki .

He took Reading to an FA Cup semi-final.  Given the PL is played over 38 games that must have ben one hell of a season. That 41 game statistic conveniently starts after our win at the stadium of light the season before which took us third in the league! That was put out as club spin at the time to justify their decision. Clarke led us to to an 8th place finish then and deserved more credit. Instead it unfairly raised expectations on him the following season. We were 16th when he was let go, and had lost Odemwingie and Lukuku. Shane Long couldn't hit a barn door and Anelka was forced on him & a disaster. The rotation of those strikers got him the sack.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Dexy on May 12, 2021, 11:19:42 AM
He took Reading to an FA Cup semi-final.  Given the PL is played over 38 games that must have ben one hell of a season. That 41 game statistic conveniently starts after our win at the stadium of light the season before which took us third in the league! That was put out as club spin at the time to justify their decision. Clarke led us to to an 8th place finish then and deserved more credit. Instead it unfairly raised expectations on him the following season. We were 16th when he was let go, and had lost Odemwingie and Lukuku. Shane Long couldn't hit a barn door and Anelka was forced on him & a disaster. The rotation of those strikers got him the sack.
Anelka was his pick , not so sure on Sinclair . I can remember Clarke going on about how fit he was from tests at Juve . I liked him but as Jacko says it was a awful run , I think it went from the end of that 8th place finish . I remember going to Norwich away and seeing a stinking performance and that carried on a bit until winning at Old Trafford next season then another dip , rumours of talking to Everton didn't help .
I always felt he needed support from above but things like Lugano coming behind his back didn't help , for me we missed a chance to build there .
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SirTonyM on May 12, 2021, 11:24:15 AM
The list looks the same as before we got Slav :)
Paul Cook just went to Ipswich a month ago.
Steve Cooper of Swansea would be a strong consideration for me.
Is there anyone managing outside the UK who is worth considering?
Looking at our hires since Clarke I don’t hold out much hope. Normally our criteria is “are they out of work?”
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 12, 2021, 11:28:05 AM
How about Allardyce as DOF and a younger manager as Head Coach?

Not that's a refreshing slant! Great idea...

And as someone else said, give Clarke another punt!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 12, 2021, 01:16:51 PM
Anelka was his pick , not so sure on Sinclair . I can remember Clarke going on about how fit he was from tests at Juve . I liked him but as Jacko says it was a awful run , I think it went from the end of that 8th place finish . I remember going to Norwich away and seeing a stinking performance and that carried on a bit until winning at Old Trafford next season then another dip , rumours of talking to Everton didn't help .
I always felt he needed support from above but things like Lugano coming behind his back didn't help , for me we missed a chance to build there .

I think the decline in 2013 was purely because we lost our goalscorers, that simple. I also detest this habit of putting together a bit of one season and a bit of another season. Doing that we could make a strong case for Sean Dyche, Guardiola and Klopp to have gotten the sack. If we were doing that the other way around we'd be lauding Steve Clarke for getting us into the champions league spots - it's just too arbitrary to lump different season together, especially when you take the slumps in form and entirely ignore the over performing period. Each season should be judged on it's own merits, as going into each one you get the transfer window and new players etc.

One final point, 8 wins in 41 is a win ratio of 19.5%. Allardyce win ratio for us this season is 4 in 22 - even worse than what got Steve Clarke the sack!

Anyway - not that I'm calling for Steve Clarke to get the job again.




Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: tuamigos on May 12, 2021, 02:05:54 PM
How about Allardyce as DOF and a younger manager as Head Coach?

Isn't his son a football agent, last thing we need is nepotism.
Wasn't his son also under investigation for irregularities, best not let Sam too near the family silver
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: WBA on May 12, 2021, 02:30:04 PM
Good afternoon - 1st post.

Having done my research, I'd go for Maresca, probably a similar level of risk as Di Matteo when he was appointed. 

Has actually had a few Asst Manager jobs including a season at Ascoli in Serie B, a season at Sevilla in La Liga and season at West Ham where he was highly regarded by their squad; now heading up the Elite squad at City and working closely with Pep.   Only a matter of time before he steps up to a No 1 role and has recently been linked with the Celtic job. 

https://www.mancity.com/features/enzo-maresca/

Of course,  this is unlikely given our ownership and apparent short-term strategic thinking, but my thoughts nonetheless. 

Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: BelgianBaggie on May 12, 2021, 03:00:00 PM
Allardyce for me.  He’s turned us into a team that look like we might win games.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: seteefeet on May 12, 2021, 03:01:00 PM
Good afternoon - 1st post.

Having done my research, I'd go for Maresca, probably a similar level of risk as Di Matteo when he was appointed. 

Has actually had a few Asst Manager jobs including a season as at Ascoli in Serie B, a season at Sevilla in La Liga and season at West Ham where he was highly regarded by their squad; now heading up the Elite squad at City and working closely with Pep.   Only a matter of time before he steps up to a No 1 role and has recently been linked with the Celtic job. 

https://www.mancity.com/features/enzo-maresca/

Of course,  this is unlikely given our ownership and apparent short-term strategic thinking, but my thoughts nonetheless.
Disagree, think this is right up our street, Steve Clark was a highly regarded number two, as was Alan Irvine.
Not sure Enzo would fancy it though but you never know.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: NJS on May 12, 2021, 03:24:19 PM
Paul Cook did a great job at Wigan when they could hardly pay the players that hadn't left the club for reliable wages.  He's in a similar situation board-wise at Ipswich.  Probably one of the very few young managers that would regard WBA as an attractive proposition.

Please no going back to Appleton and Moore. 

Allardyce will only stay if he gets a free rein on our bank account.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Baggies on May 12, 2021, 03:28:06 PM
In reality, it's going to be Allardyce or Wilder - most likely Allardyce. I don't see Dowling having a ton of names he will look at, I have zero faith in his judgement.

In terms of the perfect world, I've said for years on here that German managers are the way to go, that they are the future. Well, now they are the present.

The last 2 champions leagues have been won by Germans, possibly also this year's. Last year Germans were managing the league winner in 3 of the major 5 leagues. A German has won the championship this year, the same German who won it 2 years ago and Germans might yet hold half of the managerial posts of the club's occupying this years champions league places when the league finishes.

The only issue now is the new rules post us leaving the EU, I think we can still hire German managers, but I'm not sure they can bring their assistants over as easily which might be a deal breaker.

Domestically, I wouldn't rule out Enzo Maresca. He is on an upward curve, has won the premier league 2 with Man City's development squad. I'm a romantic at heart - I'd love him back.

I'm not as keen on Wilder. I respect him a lot and if I was Burnley and Dyche left them, I'd be looking at him, but there are a few things that make me nervous. 1, his transfer record is poor in recent seasons, some real lapses of judgement. 2, the rumours of his fall out at Sheff Utd suggested he wanted total control of transfers - something we should not give him. 3, as pointed out on the E & S Albion podcast this week, he doesn't really like using wingers. What do we have a lot of?

I'd also say no to Appleton, who i do like but who I think doesn't quite have enough about him.

I do like the look of Ismael at Barnsley, my only concern is that I haven't seen a lot of them this season and Warnock suggested they played long ball football in  a post match presser, which must be bad if he is saying it 😂. I'm hoping in reality it was just high pressure football and a weakness they exposed. I'd have him on my shortlist if Barnsley fall short.

I'd also look at Struber, their ex manager who is now at New York RB.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Baggies on May 12, 2021, 03:28:58 PM
Paul Cook did a great job at Wigan when they could hardly pay the players that hadn't left the club for reliable wages.  He's in a similar situation board-wise at Ipswich.  Probably one of the very few young managers that would regard WBA as an attractive proposition.

Please no going back to Appleton and Moore. 

Allardyce will only stay if he gets a free rein on our bank account.

I'd love Paul Cook here, but last year I got the impression he wouldn't be open to a modern head coach role, he would likely want full control of transfers.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: johnny Cash on May 12, 2021, 03:33:22 PM
I don’t understand the shouts for Lampard personally and why it would be ambitious.

The media have created the rhetoric that he did a great job at Derby. He didn’t. He finished 6th. He did no more than ok and had players like Harry Wilson, Mason Mount and Tomori. 

He then got the Chelsea job purely because he was an ex player, spent hundreds of millions and got sacked.

It hard to see how is next job isn’t back in the championship.

He may be able to get some Chelsea kids again, is that really suitable criteria?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Bakeyaface on May 12, 2021, 03:34:52 PM
Hi all Fans,

Just a post for an update. I don't post much I admit, but usually when I do it's accurate (please feel free to check out my previous posts, if you can be bothered lol)

I won't elaborate too much but I do know someone who knows someone type thing - and my source is pretty accurate.

So Allardyce is willing to stay and the Board are happy to keep him here, the money side of things is fine. Allardyce is concerned about his health though so he is weighing up the possibility of walking from football all together - or at least in a high pressured role.

The board have more or less confirmed that Pereira and SJ are going to be sold - but all the funds recouped will go to the transfer budget. The Board are convinced we will have the Leagues best budget. We have also enquired about Yosulu on a permenant deal but the wages may be a sticking point, he is very settled despite it being a loan. Again though the Board are chancing their arm a bit on that.

If in the scenario Allardyce and the Board can't come to a solution, then they have 99% made up their mind that Chris Wilder is their preferred man. Hence they want the Allardyce decision soon as they don't want to lose out on Wilder either.

Again, I'm not saying this is bonified concrete information, and of course feel free to disregard it all, but the guy who usually tells me these things is bang on.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Baggies on May 12, 2021, 03:40:32 PM
Thanks Bakey, you were spot on before and another poster who has proven very reliable for over a decade on here also backed up the Wilder bit. The E&S also seem to be suggesting as much.

Joe Masi alluded to something the other day where Allardyce has said he will need to speak to his wife before making a decision to see how "a season in the championship will effect them" so it makes sense if he is worried about the health side of things.

I think Wilder will be a mistake, but oh well.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 12, 2021, 03:55:18 PM
I remember you Bakeyface. Thanks for coming back with this info.

Disappointing to hear they are determined to sell Pereira, that means they will likely lowball us on him in terms of a fee. Also not too happy about Wilder as his transfer dealings are muck.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: MarkW on May 12, 2021, 03:56:29 PM
Thanks Bakey, you were spot on before and another poster who has proven very reliable for over a decade on here also backed up the Wilder bit. The E&S also seem to be suggesting as much.

Joe Masi alluded to something the other day where Allardyce has said he will need to speak to his wife before making a decision to see how "a season in the championship will effect them" so it makes sense if he is worried about the health side of things.

I think Wilder will be a mistake, but oh well.

Can't wait to see Semi and Bartley overlapping down the flanks!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: MarkW on May 12, 2021, 04:01:48 PM
In reality, it's going to be Allardyce or Wilder - most likely Allardyce. I don't see Dowling having a ton of names he will look at, I have zero faith in his judgement.

In terms of the perfect world, I've said for years on here that German managers are the way to go, that they are the future. Well, now they are the present.

The last 2 champions leagues have been won by Germans, possibly also this year's. Last year Germans were managing the league winner in 3 of the major 5 leagues. A German has won the championship this year, the same German who won it 2 years ago and Germans might yet hold half of the managerial posts of the club's occupying this years champions league places when the league finishes.

The only issue now is the new rules post us leaving the EU, I think we can still hire German managers, but I'm not sure they can bring their assistants over as easily which might be a deal breaker.

Domestically, I wouldn't rule out Enzo Maresca. He is on an upward curve, has won the premier league 2 with Man City's development squad. I'm a romantic at heart - I'd love him back.

I'm not as keen on Wilder. I respect him a lot and if I was Burnley and Dyche left them, I'd be looking at him, but there are a few things that make me nervous. 1, his transfer record is poor in recent seasons, some real lapses of judgement. 2, the rumours of his fall out at Sheff Utd suggested he wanted total control of transfers - something we should not give him. 3, as pointed out on the E & S Albion podcast this week, he doesn't really like using wingers. What do we have a lot of?

I'd also say no to Appleton, who i do like but who I think doesn't quite have enough about him.

I do like the look of Ismael at Barnsley, my only concern is that I haven't seen a lot of them this season and Warnock suggested they played long ball football in  a post match presser, which must be bad if he is saying it 😂. I'm hoping in reality it was just high pressure football and a weakness they exposed. I'd have him on my shortlist if Barnsley fall short.

I'd also look at Struber, their ex manager who is now at New York RB.

Barnsley are weird. It's super vertical, high pressing football. That makes it sometimes look unrefined, and a bit "kick and chase", but there's a deeper plan there.

I'll try and find the video of Barnsley Vs someone and it's like ping pong
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 12, 2021, 04:02:42 PM
Regards Maresca it is a mention purely because he played here. If it wasn't there would be named Chelsea, Liverpool and Man Utd (among others) backroom staff in this thread.

Bakeys post makes for grim reading to me. Allardyce staying and Johnstone leaving for as high a price as possible should be the only definite aims of the DOF in the next few weeks.

Wilder is a massive no from me. Sheffield United were abject this season.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 12, 2021, 04:04:50 PM
Regards Maresca it is a mention purely because he played here. If it wasn't there would be named Chelsea, Liverpool and Man Utd (among others) backroom staff in this thread.

Bakeys post makes for grim reading to me. Allardyce staying and Johnstone leaving for as high a price as possible should be the only definite aims of the DOF in the next few weeks.

Wilder is a massive no from me. Sheffield United were abject this season.
whats your opinion on the other 4 years he was there?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: MarkW on May 12, 2021, 04:10:16 PM
Barnsley are weird. It's super vertical, high pressing football. That makes it sometimes look unrefined, and a bit "kick and chase", but there's a deeper plan there.

I'll try and find the video of Barnsley Vs someone and it's like ping pong

I can't find the clip, but here's a quote:

“I can’t tell all the secrets. But the first principle is intensity. Without intensity, we’ve no chance. That’s why we need intensity first. If you want to dominate – we don’t have Premier League quality – but we can dominate with our intensity. You have to show the players where we want to win the ball and what happens after. When you win the ball, you have a short time when the opponent is not organised. So you have to stay vertical, play direct with purpose. That’s a big difference from playing direct. Direct with purpose can be in behind, diagonal, quickly – use this short window to hurt the opponent. The other thing it does is keep the opponent away from our goal."
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: lewisant on May 12, 2021, 04:14:13 PM
Thanks bakeyaface...what's your name all about?! I remember your previous info being solid and also quite interesting.

When we were linked to Wilder last year (or was it before Bilic?!) we couldn't believe it as it seemed he was doing so well. I wouldn't let this year tarnish that but it certainly puts it into perspective and he swapped out Robbo for Burke and persisted with Burke, that's a worry for me. But most managers have weird decisions in them.

For what it's worth I voted Allardyce. If he stays that means he's had decent reassurances and that in turn reassures me. If he was to go I'd like us to look at somebody young (in management years). Paul Cook, the Swansea manager (forget his name!), maybe Ismael I'd even be tempted to take a look at Bolton's manager (forget his name too!) who now has back to back promotions but it could be too soon for him.

Anybody with previous links to the club get a no from me. Maresca may be an option further down the line but on management credentials alone, of which he has none at this stage.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 12, 2021, 04:15:33 PM
whats your opinion on the other 4 years he was there?

Innovative formation involving overlapping centre backs. While falling very lucky with their loan goalkeeper in the promotion season and the first season in the Premier League imo.

Latterly dreadful recruitment and constantly at odds with the hierarchy.

Pardew did well with Newcastle and Palace, but you're hard pressed to look beyond his spell with us when considering employing him now...
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: seteefeet on May 12, 2021, 04:16:43 PM
I remember you Bakeyface. Thanks for coming back with this info.

Disappointing to hear they are determined to sell Pereira, that means they will likely lowball us on him in terms of a fee. Also not too happy about Wilder as his transfer dealings are muck.
It doesn't say they are determined, it may be that it is just inevitable.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 12, 2021, 04:20:13 PM
It doesn't say they are determined, it may be that it is just inevitable.

This information combined with the other noises from journalists etc make me think it is inevitable. We are weakening our own hand i think.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 12, 2021, 04:27:19 PM
I'd much rather stick with Allardyce than get Wilder in.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: alex1 on May 12, 2021, 04:28:35 PM
Don’t think he would be bad for the club at all....but most of his experience is behind the manager in a mainly DOF role...him plus some one like maresca/Veira/Henry may be an absolute dream team.
I just don’t think that’s where we are looking.
I saw a recent interview with Rangnick in which he said he was happy to work as a DOF or manager. He also spoke about his time as a student in Sussex playing for an amateur club.  He is the man behind the rise of RB Leipzig and the 'gegen pressing' attacking style. I think his knowledge in the building would be an enormous asset, but there is a question as to whether he could work with others. 
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Baggies on May 12, 2021, 04:35:20 PM
Regards Maresca it is a mention purely because he played here. If it wasn't there would be named Chelsea, Liverpool and Man Utd (among others) backroom staff in this thread.

It's not whoooollley that reason, although I did admit I was being a bit of romantic.

Maresca was favourite for the Celtic managers job just over a month ago, while he has just helped Man City win their first PL2 title - he is basically the highest profile youth development league coach.

He also puts us in pole position to take advantage of cities academy - they currently have 3 or 4 players who are prime for a championship loan move who could be very exciting- Delap, Harwood-Bellis, Doyle, Palmer and maybe Nmecha.

His past here does help though - would be a good story.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 12, 2021, 04:37:26 PM
No thanks to Maresa. Another not experienced enough for what is a crucial, crucial season ahead. One for the future perhaps but let him pay his dues elsewhere.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 12, 2021, 04:55:28 PM
It's not whoooollley that reason, although I did admit I was being a bit of romantic.

Maresca was favourite for the Celtic managers job just over a month ago, while he has just helped Man City win their first PL2 title - he is basically the highest profile youth development league coach.

He also puts us in pole position to take advantage of cities academy - they currently have 3 or 4 players who are prime for a championship loan move who could be very exciting- Delap, Harwood-Bellis, Doyle, Palmer and maybe Nmecha.

His past here does help though - would be a good story.

To be fair Baggies, I meant throughout the entire discussion/thread, just happened to follow your post. My point is, whoever guided whoever to 2nd in PL2 isn't being mentioned at all (although because I can't be bothered looking it up imagine if that was also an ex-Albion player, would totally discredit my position).  ;D
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 12, 2021, 05:05:16 PM
To be fair Baggies, I meant throughout the entire discussion/thread, just happened to follow your post. My point is, whoever guided whoever to 2nd in PL2 isn't being mentioned at all (although because I can't be bothered looking it up imagine if that was also an ex-Albion player, would totally discredit my position).  ;D

it's not an ex Albion player it's Andy Myers (Chelsea U23)
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Baggies on May 12, 2021, 05:21:43 PM
Myers is actually an honorary Baggie though, he did this back in 2002...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWCFYp3F4Ck
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 12, 2021, 05:30:54 PM
So Myers then, must be worth a shout  ;)
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: wbasoprano on May 12, 2021, 05:31:44 PM
Thanks Bakey. The name Wilder is grim to hear and a shame but expected one regarding Pereira. But, Sam in charge and signing Okay would be fantastic, so fingers crossed.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SmethDan on May 12, 2021, 05:33:51 PM
Myers is actually an honorary Baggie though, he did this back in 2002...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWCFYp3F4Ck

Great 'assist' for Igor, sign him up......
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: NJS on May 12, 2021, 06:08:41 PM
Wilder is a Sheffield Utd man through and through.  Can't see him putting his heart and soul into any other team.

Also remember the last encounter in the Championship.  Incredibly cyncial play.  They snatched a goal at about 30 minutes and proceeded to play for time for the rest of the match.  Fleck ran round chopping down everything in navy and white.  We weren't good but they still had to rely on Henderson for a couple of point-blank saves.

Woe is me!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on May 12, 2021, 06:17:06 PM
Wilder is a Sheffield Utd man through and through.  Can't see him putting his heart and soul into any other team.

Also remember the last encounter in the Championship.  Incredibly cyncial play.  They snatched a goal at about 30 minutes and proceeded to play for time for the rest of the match.  Fleck ran round chopping down everything in navy and white.  We weren't good but they still had to rely on Henderson for a couple of point-blank saves.

Woe is me!

Megson was/Is a huge Sheffield Wednesday supporter
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on May 12, 2021, 06:52:10 PM
Sam Allardyce, is, imo, head and shoulders above any other name on the poll, in all aspects of being a Manager / Head Coach / knowledge of the game / tactics / contacts et al.

He is also the best option of anyone not on the list who would be willing to take the job on, think about that as, imo, no one of any real note or credibility as good as Big Sam would look at us twice after even a brief due diligence analysis of the clubs set up, owner, his commitment to invest funds other than money raised by the club existing financial model.

What is now concerning me is, after reading the reliable ITK poster bakeyaface, who has a proven track record for being accurate, post about Big Sam’s health worries, that could well scupper his appointment, sadly for me.

Then it we are in a lottery
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 12, 2021, 06:58:56 PM
You are right, the choices open to us realistically are in the main garbage. Lampards expected to replace Roy at Palace according to todays news so it doesnt leave a fat lot at all.

Hopefully hes healthy enough for one more season.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: cads_ap_albion on May 12, 2021, 07:04:09 PM
You are right, the choices open to us realistically are in the main garbage. Lampards expected to replace Roy at Palace according to todays news so it doesnt leave a fat lot at all.

Hopefully hes healthy enough for one more season.

It leaves Roy...
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 12, 2021, 07:06:07 PM
It leaves Roy...

Who is ancient.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: tuamigos on May 12, 2021, 07:20:47 PM
whats your opinion on the other 4 years he was there?

He messed it all up when he bought The Burke IMO
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SmethDan on May 12, 2021, 07:29:01 PM
He messed it all up when he bought The Burke IMO

Bet he felt a right berk after that first training session.......
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggieboy79 on May 12, 2021, 07:39:04 PM
I can't believe a lot of people would want Lampard over Wilder.  Wilder has proven himself at Oxford, Northampton and took the Blades from League 1 to 9th in the Premier League.  I don't think he can really be blamed for what happened this year either as they had some boardroom issues last Summer if I remember right and they also had some injuries early on.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: mulliganstired on May 12, 2021, 07:47:15 PM
I can't believe a lot of people would want Lampard over Wilder.  Wilder has proven himself at Oxford, Northampton and took the Blades from League 1 to 9th in the Premier League.  I don't think he can really be blamed for what happened this year either as they had some boardroom issues last Summer if I remember right and they also had some injuries early on.
Wilder looks like a grumpy school caretaker.  Lampard takes great care of his hair.  I think this is quite crucial in 2021.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: wodenson46 on May 12, 2021, 07:55:57 PM
So it appears to be Allardyce again, with the added threat of a bunch of journeymen players almost at the end of their careers, just about able, with luck to defend well enough gain enough 1-0's to give us a chance of promotion. All financed by the sale of MP and SJ. probably at sub prime fees.

Or Wilder who wants total control over recruitment and in his last major deal swapped Burke for Robinson.

OH DEAR! OH DEAR!! OH DEAR!!! I really do wish I didn't care anymore.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: caravanc58 on May 12, 2021, 08:11:24 PM
Paul Cook would be my choice, Eddie Howe would be a good long term choice but doubt he'd come here.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: boinging_along on May 12, 2021, 08:22:23 PM
So it appears to be Allardyce again, with the added threat of a bunch of journeymen players almost at the end of their careers, just about able, with luck to defend well enough gain enough 1-0's to give us a chance of promotion. All financed by the sale of MP and SJ. probably at sub prime fees.

Or Wilder who wants total control over recruitment and in his last major deal swapped Burke for Robinson.

OH DEAR! OH DEAR!! OH DEAR!!! I really do wish I didn't care anymore.

To be fair, more fans would rather we tried someone else other than Allardyce.  The people have spoken.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie96 on May 12, 2021, 08:28:35 PM
Paul Cook would be my choice, Eddie Howe would be a good long term choice but doubt he'd come here.

Paul cook is doing a terrible job at Ipswich isn’t he?

Allardyce and Wilder are by far the best names on the list.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Albionic on May 12, 2021, 08:29:55 PM
I don’t get the young manager Paul Cook thing, he is 54 !!!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TLMS17 on May 12, 2021, 08:33:18 PM
Urgh Wilder just kills my excitement for next season just by being linked  :D

I’m not an Allardyce fan by any means, but I’d rather keep him than get Wilder, and if he does walk (and for health reasons fair play) give me Enzo over Wilder too

Not a Widler fan in the slightest
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggies_24 on May 12, 2021, 08:40:22 PM
Football does make me laugh this time last year had we been in with a shout of hiring Wilder every Albion fan would have thought we’d hired the 3rd best manager in the country after Klopp & Pep, now he’s a dinosaur who’s a rubbish manager.

Don’t get me wrong Sheffield United have been awful this year and he’s had a big hand in it however you look at his career he’s been a major success everywhere he’s gone. I’d be more than willing to take a punt on his continued success for 13+ years as a manager over 3/4 of a season played in bizarre circumstances.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Gilsey 56 on May 12, 2021, 09:10:55 PM
I voted for big Sam who has a massive head start on anyone else, he's seen most of the players in competition and knows exactly what we have and what we need.
Just point he his also responsibility for the form Periera is in at the moment when not that long ago he was going nowhere.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: PartisanBaggie on May 12, 2021, 09:26:46 PM

Also remember the last encounter in the Championship.  Incredibly cyncial play.  They snatched a goal at about 30 minutes and proceeded to play for time for the rest of the match.  Fleck ran round chopping down everything in navy and white.  We weren't good but they still had to rely on Henderson for a couple of point-blank saves.


Yeah I remember the 0-1 loss at home to the Blades in the 18/19 season very well.

An unremarkable game against a team of Championship/League 1 journeymen, who were well drilled. That result and the flat performance given was one of the last nails to go into Big Dave’s coffin.

I’ll take Big Sam over Chris Wilder given the choice. Don’t get me wrong, I respect what Wilder has done for his boyhood club, but I don’t think he could make us competitive enough in the Premier League if we were promoted. He’d end up walking or being sacked and we’d be stuck with a Wilder squad going straight back down again.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie53 on May 12, 2021, 09:44:13 PM
Frank Lampard has no chance

I takes up too much newspaper space when they rename us "Frank Lampard's West Bromwich Albion"
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Standaman on May 12, 2021, 10:44:03 PM
If it boils down to a straight choice between Allardyce and Wilder I take the latter with a heavy heart and some significant reservations but at least he isn't Allardyce. 

Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Dexy on May 12, 2021, 10:51:05 PM
I'm just not taken with Wilder at all , his transfer dealings in his last 18 months were poor and he didn't like people above him getting involved . Seemed very bitter in the end at Sheff Utd . Not for me and I think it's too soon for him to get back into football .
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Standaman on May 12, 2021, 11:25:16 PM
I'm just not taken with Wilder at all , his transfer dealings in his last 18 months were poor and he didn't like people above him getting involved . Seemed very bitter in the end at Sheff Utd . Not for me and I think it's too soon for him to get back into football .

This is the big concern. Regardless of us having a DOF it is very obvious that the Head Coach does have more input on transfers than is probably healthy. Any transfer can go awry but the thing that freaks me out about Wilder is that he has a very clear system of play but he hires players that just don't fit the system. He also brings in players and does not use them.

Much has been made of the fact that he has taken the core group at Sheffield United from League One to the Premier League and on the face of it that is remarkable continuity but the churn around that core has been incredibly high. 
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: mig on May 12, 2021, 11:58:48 PM
Urgh Wilder just kills my excitement for next season just by being linked  :D

I’m not an Allardyce fan by any means, but I’d rather keep him than get Wilder, and if he does walk (and for health reasons fair play) give me Enzo over Wilder too

Not a Widler fan in the slightest

Agree, Sam (or indeed anyone) over Wilder. I really do worry about the people running our club if they've genuinely narrowed it down to those two already.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: hillsm on May 13, 2021, 12:28:00 AM
I want Allardyce to stay on but was told by someone today who is very well connected in the game and who is currently employed by another PL club that he has heard that BS won't be staying on with us. He cited that financially it would be too much for us. This info may have been superseded by what BakeyFace has posted and I for one hope that is the case as I really think our best shot is having the continuity and stability Allardyce brings as well as his ability in the transfer market.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: chipperclark on May 13, 2021, 12:59:16 AM
Derek McInnes.... you heard it first 😉😉😉
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: BaggieNick on May 13, 2021, 01:15:59 AM
Mark Hughes!

Appleton!



Wolves fans, I presume?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 13, 2021, 08:03:19 AM
Mark Hughes!

Appleton!

Wolves fans, I presume?

When you consider the relationship between Dowling and Appleton then it is not an unlikely shout..
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Standaman on May 13, 2021, 08:50:02 AM
Callum Robinson must wonder what he has done to offend God. Consider this he joins Chris Wilder at Sheffield United as a winger. Chris Wilder does not play wingers the move does not work out so well. He then joins WBA on loan in January under Bilic and enjoys playing in a 4-3-3 as a wide attacker on the left. 

Things are looking up and Wilder swaps him for another winger Chris Burke (Wilder does not play wingers but uses Burke as a Centre Forward ahead of the very expensive Rhian Brewster). However for reasons only known to himself Bilic abandons the 4-3-3 and hires Robinson's positional doppelganger Karlan Grant and also moves to a 3-5-1 which suites nobody.

Bilic is fired and Allardyce hired. Again Robinson does not quite fit the standard 4-2-3-1 but does well with the limited opportunities he gets and has outscored Burke and Brewster's combined efforts at Sheffield United. He has out performed his XG and aside Pereira been the most likely player to score for a team that needs to win games and is struggling to score. Does not get on the pitch in those must win games.

Now Allardyce might be replaced by guess who? Chris Wilder.

You know what I want the manager who plays Callum Robinson as a wide forward in a in a 4-3-3. That's the one I want the one who does not need player churn to manage a squad that they bloated in the first place one that isn't on their last legs or engaged in a perpetual civil war with their employers so they don't look bad you know that coach that works with and develops young talent. That's the one I want. 

And for what it is worth Appleton is much closer to being that coach than either Wilder or Allardyce but I would rather we went for somebody else just because the guy has history with the club and therefore in the eyes of our more myopic fans only appointed because of that history and is the cheap option. But I am absolutely through with the big name big reputation coaches that are just the next ill considered quick fix.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SmethDan on May 13, 2021, 08:58:15 AM
Call it a hunch, but my spider senses tell me you're not looking forward to the potential appointment of Allardyce or Wilder Stan'.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Albionic on May 13, 2021, 09:11:32 AM
I can't comment on Maresca as a potential manager, But for me its Allardyce =No,  Wilder =No,
 
I would be trying to convince Steve Clarke to come back or dare i say Meggodon, but I can't see either happening!

Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: BelgianBaggie on May 13, 2021, 09:38:00 AM
Callum Robinson must wonder what he has done to offend God. Consider this he joins Chris Wilder at Sheffield United as a winger. Chris Wilder does not play wingers the move does not work out so well. He then joins WBA on loan in January under Bilic and enjoys playing in a 4-3-3 as a wide attacker on the left. 

Things are looking up and Wilder swaps him for another winger Chris Burke (Wilder does not play wingers but uses Burke as a Centre Forward ahead of the very expensive Rhian Brewster). However for reasons only known to himself Bilic abandons the 4-3-3 and hires Robinson's positional doppelganger Karlan Grant and also moves to a 3-5-1 which suites nobody.

Bilic is fired and Allardyce hired. Again Robinson does not quite fit the standard 4-2-3-1 but does well with the limited opportunities he gets and has outscored Burke and Brewster's combined efforts at Sheffield United. He has out performed his XG and aside Pereira been the most likely player to score for a team that needs to win games and is struggling to score. Does not get on the pitch in those must win games.

Now Allardyce might be replaced by guess who? Chris Wilder.

You know what I want the manager who plays Callum Robinson as a wide forward in a in a 4-3-3. That's the one I want the one who does not need player churn to manage a squad that they bloated in the first place one that isn't on their last legs or engaged in a perpetual civil war with their employers so they don't look bad you know that coach that works with and develops young talent. That's the one I want. 

And for what it is worth Appleton is much closer to being that coach than either Wilder or Allardyce but I would rather we went for somebody else just because the guy has history with the club and therefore in the eyes of our more myopic fans only appointed because of that history and is the cheap option. But I am absolutely through with the big name big reputation coaches that are just the next ill considered quick fix.
So, your criteria for a manager is one who will build a team around Robinson?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 13, 2021, 10:00:30 AM
Could we pinch Steven Gerrard?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: keithowba86 on May 13, 2021, 10:01:52 AM
Call me cynical but i dont want Wilder... he's Pulis number 2 - squad full of british players who aren't great footballers. Too many 'middle of the road' bang average players.

Its by no means luck that we put a senagalese striker up top and a turkish defensive midfielder in the team and all of a sudden we dont look too bad!

The foreign market is the way forward for english football im afraid - and luckily at the moment we have a manager who is comfortable to delve into it to get what he needs... Chris Wilder certainly wont do that!

If Big Sam is a no, then Enzo Maresca is head and shoulders the best appointment we could make. He has the right pedigree required to be a top european manager... and you can screenshot this, but within the next 20 years he'll have won a european trophy as a manager  ;D
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: keithowba86 on May 13, 2021, 10:03:04 AM
Could we pinch Steven Gerrard?
I think we'd have more chance plaiting wee 🤭
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 13, 2021, 10:04:46 AM
I can't comment on Maresca as a potential manager, But for me its Allardyce =No,  Wilder =No,
 
I would be trying to convince Steve Clarke to come back or dare i say Meggodon, but I can't see either happening!
SGM , now there's a thought, I mention this regularly , and get dismissed ,but I would seriously choose Gary over everyone on this list. I would like to hereby dismiss those who are choosing Allardyce because "he has improved us" and he "recognised weaknesses in the team" (didn't we all) .
It was a good idea to bring Sam in as a last try to save us going down, but I never , ever envisaged us sticking with him when he failed.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: hardtobeat on May 13, 2021, 10:11:01 AM
Ashman, Giles , Atkinson, Megson, Di Matteo , Clarke. Probably the most relatively successful managers of the club in my time of attending and all of them had little or no experience of managing at the top level. Indeed arguably only Pulis and Hodgson get near them off the experienced list, we also went through a fair few flavour of the month appointments Saunders , Smith , Little etc with poor outcomes . The right man is out there sometimes the searching needs to be a little more than just placing a job ad in the Situations Vacant column of Manager Weekly
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 13, 2021, 10:13:31 AM
So, your criteria for a manager is one who will build a team around Robinson?

No, amazed that is what you've taken away from that post...
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Standaman on May 13, 2021, 10:22:12 AM
So, your criteria for a manager is one who will build a team around Robinson?

No that is not the point. I am almost completely indifferent about Callum Robinson or any other player. What I am looking for is the coach that is capable of working logically with what they have and not burning the club's limited resources through the muddle headed thinking that the ballad of Callum Robinson succulently demonstrates as it touches coaches present future and past.

Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 13, 2021, 10:22:36 AM
Ashman, Giles , Atkinson, Megson, Di Matteo , Clarke. Probably the most relatively successful managers of the club in my time of attending and all of them had little or no experience of managing at the top level. Indeed arguably only Pulis and Hodgson get near them off the experienced list, we also went through a fair few flavour of the month appointments Saunders , Smith , Little etc with poor outcomes . The right man is out there sometimes the searching needs to be a little more than just placing a job ad in the Situations Vacant column of Manager Weekly
Spot on mate, and the having the right man to do the searching helps.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: tambag on May 13, 2021, 10:22:46 AM
My preference is for Sam to stay, but if that doesn't happen, I would like us to go for Steve Cooper at Swansea if they don't go up via the playoffs.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Baggies on May 13, 2021, 10:26:45 AM
So, your criteria for a manager is one who will build a team around Robinson?

 ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

It feels to me fairly obvious Stan’s point was that we should be looking for a manager who’s preferred style of play is in sync with the playing squad we have at our disposal, rather than hiring somebody who will need to buy a whole new squad to play his way. It’s about having a philosophy and sticking to it, so that you aren’t constantly buying and selling players dependant on that managers whim.

A big reason I don’t want Allardyce is that it feels likely we are writing off Diangana and Grant as he does not see a use for them. If we hire Wilder, you are still writing them off, but throwing Robinson and a few others in there for good measure.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 13, 2021, 10:34:13 AM
So it appears to be Allardyce again, with the added threat of a bunch of journeymen players almost at the end of their careers, just about able, with luck to defend well enough gain enough 1-0's to give us a chance of promotion. All financed by the sale of MP and SJ. probably at sub prime fees.

Or Wilder who wants total control over recruitment and in his last major deal swapped Burke for Robinson.

OH DEAR! OH DEAR!! OH DEAR!!! I really do wish I didn't care anymore.

The only player that fits your journeyman narrative that Allardyce has signed for us is Snodgrass and he looked good before his injury. You can't call Yokuslu, Maitland-Niles or Diagne journeymen.

If we sell Pereira and Johnstone for sub prime fees then that won't be down to Allardyce it will down to the board surely?







Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: cads_ap_albion on May 13, 2021, 10:37:14 AM
Derek McInnes.... you heard it first 😉😉😉

cheap, free, low cost... yes, i can see three reasons why Albion would go for him.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Standaman on May 13, 2021, 10:56:28 AM
McInnes would be an entirely rational appointment following on from Allardyce in terms of style of play but wouldn't be today because the squad hasn't been Allardyced, yet.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggiejohn on May 13, 2021, 10:58:50 AM
So, your criteria for a manager is one who will build a team around Robinson?

Sorry to interrupt, I can see that you are a newcomer to this forum.

First of all welcome, look forward to your contributions.

As a newcomer, you might not know your way around the navigation tools, but if you click on Standaman's name, you will be taken to his member page, from there you can see his posts listed by date.

If you trawl through his posts, you'll most likely get a flavour of his thinking.

When you've done that, you might want to revise your comment, on the other hand, you might not.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SmethDan on May 13, 2021, 11:05:20 AM
Sorry to interrupt, I can see that you are a newcomer to this forum......

He might not post very often but he's most definitely not a newcomer......  ;D .
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggiejohn on May 13, 2021, 11:06:15 AM
Callum Robinson must wonder what he has done to offend God. Consider this he joins Chris Wilder at Sheffield United as a winger. Chris Wilder does not play wingers the move does not work out so well. He then joins WBA on loan in January under Bilic and enjoys playing in a 4-3-3 as a wide attacker on the left. 

Things are looking up and Wilder swaps him for another winger Chris Burke (Wilder does not play wingers but uses Burke as a Centre Forward ahead of the very expensive Rhian Brewster). However for reasons only known to himself Bilic abandons the 4-3-3 and hires Robinson's positional doppelganger Karlan Grant and also moves to a 3-5-1 which suites nobody.

Bilic is fired and Allardyce hired. Again Robinson does not quite fit the standard 4-2-3-1 but does well with the limited opportunities he gets and has outscored Burke and Brewster's combined efforts at Sheffield United. He has out performed his XG and aside Pereira been the most likely player to score for a team that needs to win games and is struggling to score. Does not get on the pitch in those must win games.

Now Allardyce might be replaced by guess who? Chris Wilder.

You know what I want the manager who plays Callum Robinson as a wide forward in a in a 4-3-3. That's the one I want the one who does not need player churn to manage a squad that they bloated in the first place one that isn't on their last legs or engaged in a perpetual civil war with their employers so they don't look bad you know that coach that works with and develops young talent. That's the one I want. 

And for what it is worth Appleton is much closer to being that coach than either Wilder or Allardyce but I would rather we went for somebody else just because the guy has history with the club and therefore in the eyes of our more myopic fans only appointed because of that history and is the cheap option. But I am absolutely through with the big name big reputation coaches that are just the next ill considered quick fix.

Agree 100%, but then you & I are idealists, & it's becoming more apparent that we're going for a sticking plaster job.

On that basis, think I'd have SA over Wilder, who has form for going to war with his employers.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggiejohn on May 13, 2021, 11:08:53 AM
He might not post very often but he's most definitely not a newcomer......  ;D .

You've obviously got more time on your hands than me.........  :)
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SmethDan on May 13, 2021, 11:13:29 AM
You've obviously got more time on your hands than me.........  :)

I just did that thing you mentioned about clicking on his username  ;D .
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: alex1 on May 13, 2021, 12:26:06 PM
Callum Robinson must wonder what he has done to offend God. Consider this he joins Chris Wilder at Sheffield United as a winger. Chris Wilder does not play wingers the move does not work out so well. He then joins WBA on loan in January under Bilic and enjoys playing in a 4-3-3 as a wide attacker on the left. 

Things are looking up and Wilder swaps him for another winger Chris Burke (Wilder does not play wingers but uses Burke as a Centre Forward ahead of the very expensive Rhian Brewster). However for reasons only known to himself Bilic abandons the 4-3-3 and hires Robinson's positional doppelganger Karlan Grant and also moves to a 3-5-1 which suites nobody.

If Wilder does not play wingers, that's another reason to avoid him. Spreading the whole width of the pitch is how you stretch and pull defences around.

If the rumours are true that its a choice between Allardyce and Wilder, that is not what I'd call due dilligence on the part of Dowling. Its actually very lazy. However, if it was a straight choice I'd definitely take Allardyce, as his football is slightly less dour, and he comes from the Black Country.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 13, 2021, 12:38:16 PM
If the rumours are true that its a choice between Allardyce and Wilder, that is not what I'd call due dilligence on the part of Dowling. Its actually very lazy.

Sums Dowling up.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 13, 2021, 12:41:03 PM
If Wilder does not play wingers, that's another reason to avoid him. Spreading the whole width of the pitch is how you stretch and pull defences around.

If the rumours are true that its a choice between Allardyce and Wilder, that is not what I'd call due dilligence on the part of Dowling. Its actually very lazy. However, if it was a straight choice I'd definitely take Allardyce, as his football is slightly less dour, and he comes from the Black Country.
from what Bakeyface said, it’s not really a choice. We want Allardyce to stay and Wilder is the backup if Sam ends up saying no.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: alex1 on May 13, 2021, 12:43:52 PM
from what Bakeyface said, it’s not really a choice. We want Allardyce to stay and Wilder is the backup if Sam ends up saying no.
Backup with a choice of one, when there's the whole football world to choose from?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Albionic on May 13, 2021, 12:44:14 PM
Lets hope if the convo with Wilder happens, its a

Dowling: willing to work with a DoF?
Wilder: err No,
Dowling: next !!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 13, 2021, 12:46:15 PM
Backup with a choice of one, when there's the whole football world to choose from?

Dowlings tunnel vision
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Atomic on May 13, 2021, 12:51:34 PM
Dont know what people have against Wilder to be honest. Hes had one bad season in how many?

People talk about some of his signings but do we know they were his? It could've been the board at Sheff Utd who forced those signings for all any of us know. No manager can override those above in the chain of command if they are insistent.

The good thing about Allardyce is he has that profile in the game and earned respect that will enable him to have a stronger influence over transfers. That can only be a good thing as far as we are concerned.

Rumour has it Allardyce wants to stay, Albion want him to stay and money is no problem. It's just that at 66 given his history Allardyce is a bit worried about his health and needs to speak to his family.

I hope he stays.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 13, 2021, 12:53:42 PM
I hope Sam stays. The best candidate considering where we are at with the owner we have.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: wodenson46 on May 13, 2021, 12:57:08 PM
The only player that fits your journeyman narrative that Allardyce has signed for us is Snodgrass and he looked good before his injury. You can't call Yokuslu, Maitland-Niles or Diagne journeymen.

If we sell Pereira and Johnstone for sub prime fees then that won't be down to Allardyce it will down to the board surely?

Only Snodgrass has been signed. The others are not ours they are only on loan and in the shop window. There have also been doubts cast, as usual, about who was responsible for the identification of the foreign loan players. AMN is only here because somebody agreed to play him where HE wanted to play, not at FB where he was excellent and we are not. Playing both of the loans to keep them happy resulted in OUR best player MP often being played far too wide to be as effective as he could be. This is not good football management, it did not bring the results we needed and therefore failed.  What was needed was also so obvious that there can be no credit gained there either.
 
I'm not particularly bothered about SJ but BOTH him and MP would have to be sold to fund the Allardyce scenario, because the rest of our existing playing staff, such as they are have already been shoved around ignored or discarded, necessitating a major churn on playing staff.

All pretty self evident I would have thought.

Oh and I would not want Wilder either. Even though I am not keen on relatively recent former players returning, maybe McInnes or Appleton might work but not anywhere near confident. Doubt if we could get Maresca who might be an interesting appointment, but there has to be a suitable fit out there somewhere, and neither Allardyce nor Wilder are it. However if the worst happens then I will wait and see how it pans out but will never stop being a 'Baggies Mon' These guys are just temps really.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SirTonyM on May 13, 2021, 12:58:19 PM
We are West Brom, the manager we pick will likely have failed at some of his jobs. I think sometimes managers just fit (timing is huge). Megson and Hodgson are examples. Diego Simeone of Athletico is a great example. I remember a reporter saying he hadn’t actually done that well in his previous jobs but this was the right fit.
Personally don’t get the Wilder bashing. To look at one season in his whole CV seems harsh. I do love the irony of the critique of Wilder.
His football is more pragmatic, he falls out with the hierarchy of the clubs he’s at. He wants to be in control and is a strong personality....That doesn’t sound like anyone I can think of :)
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: WBA on May 13, 2021, 01:11:09 PM
Wilder is a Sheffield Utd man through and through.  Can't see him putting his heart and soul into any other team.

Also remember the last encounter in the Championship.  Incredibly cyncial play.  They snatched a goal at about 30 minutes and proceeded to play for time for the rest of the match.  Fleck ran round chopping down everything in navy and white.  We weren't good but they still had to rely on Henderson for a couple of point-blank saves.

Woe is me!

Have to agree NJS the thought of Wilder makes my heart sink.  Miserable sod too.

He formulated a system but once that was sussed he had no plan B.  The system appears to be diagonal balls into the corners, a lay-back and a cross into the box; secondly the centre-halves foraging forward in rotation.  Doesn't play wingers so straight away you have the problem of Diangana who pretty much won us promotion single-handedly last time.  Can Wilder change to a different formation?   

Now, an acquaintance who knows someone ITK has told me Allardyce is all sorted but he has concerns about his health.  If he decides to jack, then Wilder is the man our Board want.  The other info - no great surprise is that SJ and MP will be sold but all the money will be ploughed back in.  Bitter-sweet...the life and times of an Albion fan! 
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 13, 2021, 01:26:32 PM
Could we pinch Steven Gerrard?

There is a not a chance in a million years that he would even entertain the prospect.

We missed the boat on that one!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Atomic on May 13, 2021, 01:28:23 PM
There is a not a chance in a million years that he would even entertain the prospect.

We missed the boat on that one!

Good.

I could manage Rangers or Celtic in Scotland and finish top two.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: MarkW on May 13, 2021, 01:43:21 PM
If Wilder does not play wingers, that's another reason to avoid him. Spreading the whole width of the pitch is how you stretch and pull defences around.

If the rumours are true that its a choice between Allardyce and Wilder, that is not what I'd call due dilligence on the part of Dowling. Its actually very lazy. However, if it was a straight choice I'd definitely take Allardyce, as his football is slightly less dour, and he comes from the Black Country.

He does use width, in fact his whole way of playing is creating overloads in wide areas to create better crossing opportunities.

It's just he uses wing backs, overlapping centre backs, and centre miss moving wide, rather than touchline hugging wingers
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: MarkW on May 13, 2021, 01:44:58 PM
https://youtu.be/ReXcFBg_5cc

Good explanation of his system
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 13, 2021, 01:48:11 PM
https://youtu.be/ReXcFBg_5cc

Good explanation of his system

Is the system that equals zero goals scored in the Premiership and barely any shots? Without Dean Henderson in goal they would never have got promoted or stayed up before getting humiliated this season - after spending bigger than we did. Massive no from me.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: smethwickw on May 13, 2021, 01:51:04 PM
Is the system that equals zero goals scored in the Premiership and barely any shots? Without Dean Henderson in goal they would never have got promoted or stayed up before getting humiliated this season - after spending bigger than we did. Massive no from me.

They got 54 points last season. I'd say a bit more than just down to the keeper. We've never managed that in the Prem.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: MarkW on May 13, 2021, 01:57:34 PM
Is the system that equals zero goals scored in the Premiership and barely any shots? Without Dean Henderson in goal they would never have got promoted or stayed up before getting humiliated this season - after spending bigger than we did. Massive no from me.

https://youtu.be/8tO19M1O2fo

I'm not pro or anti Wilder, I'm just trying to give explanation. Alex1 said that Wilder not playing wingers means that they don't exploit width, and I'm just showing that isn't true.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 13, 2021, 02:15:49 PM
Is the system that equals zero goals scored in the Premiership and barely any shots? Without Dean Henderson in goal they would never have got promoted or stayed up before getting humiliated this season - after spending bigger than we did. Massive no from me.
about the same number of shots as we managed, in fact by xg (if you follow that stat) Sheffield have the 3rd worst tally compared to expected goals, the other two are Fulham and Brighton which makes 3 of the bottom 4. We on the other hand slightly over scored.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: alex1 on May 13, 2021, 02:19:40 PM
https://youtu.be/8tO19M1O2fo

I'm not pro or anti Wilder, I'm just trying to give explanation. Alex1 said that Wilder not playing wingers means that they don't exploit width, and I'm just showing that isn't true.
An interesting video, but as I suspected their main starting formation is 5-3-2 which is all about having a compact defence. To be fair that is Sheff Utd's main strength. They are hard to beak down. 
However, they find it very hard to score. 18 goals this season is abysmal. (we've managed 32 goals in a far from attacking formation). I'm all in favour of attacking wing backs, which is why I always praised Gibbs and to a lesser extent Furlong. However, they can't do it on their own. You need to create 2 v 1 situations and expose the full back, which Saka exploited for Arsenal. Proper wingers are needed as the backs main job is defending, so they can't be high up the pitch receiving the ball and putting the opposition under immediate pressure.
Summing up, I could see Wilder setting up with a very compact workmanlike formation, but I think we would struggle to score. 
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: tommcneill on May 13, 2021, 02:29:34 PM
For me its Big Sam......

My only worry is freezing out players like Diangana who will be absolutely amazing in the championship. But that could change.

I dont like chopping and changing managers constantly....theres a good chance Yokuslu may stay under Sam and that would be a huge plus for us.

Can we have some stabilty please.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: ttree30 on May 13, 2021, 02:39:24 PM
For me its Big Sam......

My only worry is freezing out players like Diangana who will be absolutely amazing in the championship. But that could change.

I dont like chopping and changing managers constantly....theres a good chance Yokuslu may stay under Sam and that would be a huge plus for us.

Can we have some stabilty please.

Yes please to the stability.

If Allardyce accepts the challenge with the resources available, then let’s give him a chance to rebuild the team where it’s needed (which is pretty much everywhere).

If he fails then those against Allardyce will have been proved correct.

I’m hopeful that he won’t fail, but there are no 100% certainties.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Dexy on May 13, 2021, 02:48:24 PM
For me its Big Sam......

My only worry is freezing out players like Diangana who will be absolutely amazing in the championship. But that could change.

I dont like chopping and changing managers constantly....theres a good chance Yokuslu may stay under Sam and that would be a huge plus for us.

Can we have rsome stabilty please.
Did notice Allardyce and Grady bumped fists just before he came on at Arsenal .
All this talk of Wilder justs puts me further in the Allardyce staying camp . The building has already started , lets continue.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: PartisanBaggie on May 13, 2021, 03:33:11 PM
Did notice Allardyce and Grady bumped fists just before he came on at Arsenal .
All this talk of Wilder justs puts me further in the Allardyce staying camp . The building has already started , lets continue.

Agreed Dex.

I feel we’re going in the right direction by sticking with Big Sam. As you’ve rightly pointed out, the building has already started. Let’s see where it takes us 😃👍🏻
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Albionic on May 13, 2021, 04:06:43 PM
Agreed Dex.

I feel we’re going in the right direction by sticking with Big Sam. As you’ve rightly pointed out, the building has already started. Let’s see where it takes us 😃👍🏻

How has building started ??,
the only incoming is Snodgrass who seems to be injured a long time. IF somehow we can keep 2 of Okay / Diagne or Gallagher then you will have a start but only IF.
I suggest its been more a demolition with OUR players ostracised (Diangana / Grant / Kipre / Sawyers / Livermore / edwardes / O'Shea largely)
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Dexy on May 13, 2021, 04:51:30 PM
How has building started ??,
the only incoming is Snodgrass who seems to be injured a long time. IF somehow we can keep 2 of Okay / Diagne or Gallagher then you will have a start but only IF.
I suggest its been more a demolition with OUR players ostracised (Diangana / Grant / Kipre / Sawyers / Livermore / edwardes / O'Shea largely)
The back four picks itself out of five players  and have been much better , the team seems much fitter / improved stamina . While it hasn't been enough to starve off relegation the blue print seems to have finally sunk in , yes the loan players would need replacing but I'd trust him to do that and change tactics slightly to suit the league we will be in .
Much sooner that than rip up the tactics and start again with the likes of the Wilder. 
O'Shea ? Sam loves him .Grady and Grant will get a chance, I like Edwards but the rest haven't been up to it  .
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 13, 2021, 05:15:09 PM
Sheffield United speaking to Slavisa Jokanovic, who I wanted when Moore was sacked. Now managing in Qatar.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: mulliganstired on May 13, 2021, 05:40:27 PM
The back four picks itself out of five players  and have been much better , the team seems much fitter / improved stamina . While it hasn't been enough to starve off relegation the blue print seems to have finally sunk in , yes the loan players would need replacing but I'd trust him to do that and change tactics slightly to suit the league we will be in .
Much sooner that than rip up the tactics and start again with the likes of the Wilder. 
O'Shea ? Sam loves him .Grady and Grant will get a chance, I like Edwards but the rest haven't been up to it  .
Yes, Sawyers not good enough, Livermore past it, Edwards running out of chances but the other three will get a decent chance in the champ and are young enough to learn/develop.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: seteefeet on May 13, 2021, 07:24:04 PM
I might just duck for cover when I say this but... I would like to see Sawyers in with Yokuslu in these last 3 games.
Sawyers can run a Champ midfield with a proper DM alongside IMO
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 13, 2021, 07:29:00 PM
How has building started ??,
the only incoming is Snodgrass who seems to be injured a long time. IF somehow we can keep 2 of Okay / Diagne or Gallagher then you will have a start but only IF.
I suggest its been more a demolition with OUR players ostracised (Diangana / Grant / Kipre / Sawyers / Livermore / edwardes / O'Shea largely)

Some of those players can have no complaints about being ostracised. They have not been good enough. The fact they were shoved into the cold has done us a favour.

I don’t agree with your dara O’Shea assertion - here’s the stats under Allardyce

Games: 22
Started: 18

That’s not being ostracised whatever way you look at it
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie38 on May 13, 2021, 07:37:35 PM
I might just duck for cover when I say this but... I would like to see Sawyers in with Yokuslu in these last 3 games.
Sawyers can run a Champ midfield with a proper DM alongside IMO

I agree I'd start dropping the likes of AMN and Gallagher now they aren't going to be here next season. Start Sawyers and Diangana.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Canmore Baggie on May 13, 2021, 08:23:23 PM
I might just duck for cover when I say this but... I would like to see Sawyers in with Yokuslu in these last 3 games.
Sawyers can run a Champ midfield with a proper DM alongside IMO

I agree entirely - I have said for ages I would like to see Sawyers play with a proper DM behind him. Questionable whether he has the potential to be Premier League quality, but I think to be fair we have to recognize that he was played out of position this year from game one through to when Okay joined us, and by January looked like he had PTSD. I am probably in the minority holding out hope for Sawyers next year, but I genuinely do. Hopefully Allardyce will give him a chance in the next couple of games.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: PartisanBaggie on May 13, 2021, 09:02:21 PM
I agree entirely - I have said for ages I would like to see Sawyers play with a proper DM behind him. Questionable whether he has the potential to be Premier League quality, but I think to be fair we have to recognize that he was played out of position this year from game one through to when Okay joined us, and by January looked like he had PTSD. I am probably in the minority holding out hope for Sawyers next year, but I genuinely do. Hopefully Allardyce will give him a chance in the next couple of games.

How about giving Sawyers a game in his preferred position...an attacking midfielder??

Just a thought.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: brummyroader on May 13, 2021, 09:07:33 PM
How about giving Sawyers a game in his preferred position...an attacking midfielder??

Just a thought.

Not really been a genuine attacking midfielder since his Walsall days. I agree with others would be interesting to see him next to Yokuslu and see if there’s any improvement. 
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: jimmyj on May 13, 2021, 09:42:05 PM
Sawyers has been played out of his role for bleedin ages. Trying to make him into a proper DM was stupid.
I think he has it in him to be a championship level playmaker, a Greening type player that keeps the ball ticking over. Just needs someone to cover for him (that isn't Livermore)
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: lewisant on May 13, 2021, 10:01:56 PM
Yokuslu sitting with two more advanced midfielders in front of him, one being Sawyers. I believe the technical phrases i've seen are Yokuslu as a 5 with a double 8 pivot?!

Anyway...I wouldn't be unhappy with Allardyce, I wouldn't be unhappy with Wilder if that falls through but the system he likes with our squad worries me. Jokanovic would be great too.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: KN22 on May 13, 2021, 10:23:17 PM
Sheffield United speaking to Slavisa Jokanovic, who I wanted when Moore was sacked. Now managing in Qatar.

Good manager. I voted for him as it goes.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: NJS on May 14, 2021, 11:17:05 AM
I might just duck for cover when I say this but... I would like to see Sawyers in with Yokuslu in these last 3 games.
Sawyers can run a Champ midfield with a proper DM alongside IMO

It's not a good look when your ability too function effectively on a football pitch is reliant on having a particularly good player alongside you.

I suspect this is what happened in England's so-called golden age when the likes of Gerrard and Lampard only looked world-class because they were playing in top six sides stuffed with world class players.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SirTonyM on May 14, 2021, 01:39:28 PM
Personally I like Jokanovic and would be really interested. Albion manager searches always feels like Bullseye....“Here’s what you could have won!”
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Canmore Baggie on May 14, 2021, 02:53:05 PM
Personally I like Jokanovic and would be really interested. Albion manager searches always feels like Bullseye....“Here’s what you could have won!”

Too true - just like our player searches. Ivan Toney anyone...?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Mister AT on May 14, 2021, 04:35:34 PM
How about giving Sawyers a game in his preferred position...an attacking midfielder??

Just a thought.

Said for over a year if you played Sawyers in a 3 with one of those being a proper DM, he would look a different player.

Sawyers in the middle with AMN and Okay and I reckon you see a good player.

Back on topic, I’d prefer Sam over Wilder. I think this squad would need to much of an overhaul for Wilders tactics, and the fact he thought Burke was better than Robinson is enough for me to steer clear.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SmethDan on May 14, 2021, 05:32:02 PM
Personally I like Jokanovic and would be really interested. Albion manager searches always feels like Bullseye....“Here’s what you could have won!”

Following Darren Moore's sacking I remember it being rumoured/ITK leaked that we'd been in negotiations with Jokanovic prior to Darren getting the boot.

That we'd come to an outline agreement for his package only for him to up his wishes considerably once Darren was actually sacked. If that's the case (if....) and he stiffed us then he can get stuffed now as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: bigcyrille on May 14, 2021, 05:51:02 PM
I can see Hodgson coming back. I've heard he hates it at Palace and would be keen to come back.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on May 14, 2021, 05:58:20 PM
I can see Hodgson coming back. I've heard he hates it at Palace and would be keen to come back.

Would love it :)
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: GREGMT on May 14, 2021, 05:58:42 PM
I'd have Roy Hodgson back for sure
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 14, 2021, 06:03:34 PM
Roy Hodgson who, and again I can't be bothered to check, has never been promoted out of the Championship... in fact has he ever even done a season down there?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: bigcyrille on May 14, 2021, 06:22:05 PM
Roy Hodgson who, and again I can't be bothered to check, has never been promoted out of the Championship... in fact has he ever even done a season down there?
Bristol City early 80's!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: albion59 on May 14, 2021, 06:40:51 PM
I can see Hodgson coming back. I've heard he hates it at Palace and would be keen to come back.
No thanks
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SC_Baggie on May 14, 2021, 06:49:36 PM
What about Lampard?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 14, 2021, 06:50:44 PM
What about Lampard?

Awful manager so far in his career.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: hardtobeat on May 14, 2021, 06:51:32 PM
Awful manager so far in his career.
Based on ?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 14, 2021, 07:11:25 PM
Based on ?

Money spent/points gained.

Got both jobs solely on his brand ahem I mean name.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: KN22 on May 14, 2021, 07:14:31 PM
Money spent/points gained.

Got both jobs solely on his brand ahem I mean name.

Not an awful manager at all in my opinion. A good up and coming one in fact.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: hardtobeat on May 14, 2021, 07:24:18 PM
Money spent/points gained.

Got both jobs solely on his brand ahem I mean name.
One crack at the Championship team gets to play off final , look what happened afterwards, moves to Prem gets team to Champions league position as per instructions from Abramovich for a first time manager I think that’s acceptable
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 14, 2021, 07:54:13 PM
One crack at the Championship team gets to play off final , look what happened afterwards, moves to Prem gets team to Champions league position as per instructions from Abramovich for a first time manager I think that’s acceptable

He took Derby from 6th to 6th.

And finishing in the champions league at Chelsea is the minimum of expectations. It really isn’t much an achievement given they’ve spent most of the last 20 years in the top four.

How much was it spent in the summer? Didn’t last long..
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 14, 2021, 07:55:05 PM
Lampard strikes me as a bang average manager who can get good young players on loan from Chelsea to make him look better than he actually is.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: mulliganstired on May 14, 2021, 08:17:59 PM
One crack at the Championship team gets to play off final , look what happened afterwards, moves to Prem gets team to Champions league position as per instructions from Abramovich for a first time manager I think that’s acceptable
Pathetic display at the champ play off final though
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: alex1 on May 14, 2021, 08:21:35 PM
We could do far worse than Lampard. Key for me is that he has very useful experience at Chelsea and Derby and his teams played attacking football on the front foot rather than a cramped rigid style, based on safety first. If you compare him to Wilder, its a no brainer.
Lampard is still young so can only get better.     
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 14, 2021, 08:23:39 PM
We could do far worse than Lampard. Key for me is that he has very useful experience at Chelsea and Derby and his teams played attacking football on the front foot rather than a cramped rigid style, based on safety first. If you compare him to Wilder, its a no brainer.
yeah, Wilder got promoted...
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: alex1 on May 14, 2021, 08:25:42 PM
yeah, Wilder got promoted...
What you see with Wilder is as good as it gets. He's not going to change. Lampard will be better next time. If we don't go in for him, you can guarentee that a club the same size or larger will be in for him. Palace strongly linked to hm.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 14, 2021, 08:26:44 PM
yeah, Wilder got promoted...

With a worse squad of players.

Lampard is a massive avoid, luckily his media cronies are doing their level best to get him the Palace gig, where I'd expect him to fail and that will be that for a few years.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: wbasoprano on May 14, 2021, 08:34:49 PM
I could see Palace struggling with Lampard in charge, outside bet to go down. But then again I expected West Ham to struggle this season as they looked a basket case in the summer haha

If Sam doesn't stay on Jokanovic would be my choice. Wilder really doesn't fill me with confidence.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 14, 2021, 08:36:35 PM
I could see Palace struggling with Lampard in charge, outside bet to go down. But then again I expected Qest Ham to struggle this season as they looked a basket case in the summer haha

If Sam doesn't stay on Jokanovic would be my choice. Wilder really doesn't fill me with confidence.


Journo rumours that Blades can't afford Jokanovic who would be my 2nd choice after Sam. Are they better off than us? If so forget it.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: alex1 on May 14, 2021, 08:49:11 PM
If he were on Dowling's radar, he should be asking about Edin Terzic, in preference to Lampard. Interim manager of Borussia Dortmund till the summer, and fresh from beating Leipzig 4-1 in the German Cup Final.  He was assistant to Billic at West Ham so knows the English game. The guy has done a great job in 6 months and still only 38. Dortmund hoping he'll stay on as their No.2. 
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: hunsletbaggie on May 14, 2021, 08:53:16 PM
Money spent/points gained.

Got both jobs solely on his brand ahem I mean name.
Developed Mason Mount though!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TLMS17 on May 14, 2021, 08:56:53 PM
If he were on Dowling's radar, he should be asking about Edin Terzic, in preference to Lampard. Interim manager of Borussia Dortmund till the summer, and fresh from beating Leipzig 4-1 in the German Cup Final.  He was assistant to Billic at West Ham so knows the English game. The guy has done a great job in 6 months and still only 38. Dortmund hoping he'll stay on as their No.2.
If he was approached, I’m sure he’d ask Slav about working with Dowling and that would be the end of that one  ;D
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: NJS on May 14, 2021, 08:58:07 PM
I could see Palace struggling with Lampard in charge, outside bet to go down. But then again I expected West Ham to struggle this season as they looked a basket case in the summer haha

If Sam doesn't stay on Jokanovic would be my choice. Wilder really doesn't fill me with confidence.

There seem to be many on here that would love to retain BS but wouldn't countenance Wilder.  surely he's just Allardyce mark II - ten year update?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Atomic on May 14, 2021, 09:01:58 PM

Journo rumours that Blades can't afford Jokanovic who would be my 2nd choice after Sam. Are they better off than us? If so forget it.

We'd probably go up under Jokanovic but we'd come straight back down his style is too expansive for a club like us in the PL.

It's absolutely imperative that we appoint someone that will keep us up.

The likes of Jokanovic, Cooper wont do that unless we have about £150 million to spend.

If not Allardyce it has to be Wilder from those listed above. Most of the names on that list are depressing to say the least.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: alex1 on May 14, 2021, 09:08:29 PM
If he was approached, I’m sure he’d ask Slav about working with Dowling and that would be the end of that one  ;D
You may be right, as Bilic would no doubt mention the financial constraints, but Terzic might be ready to take on the challenge. The bloke is certainly not going to be short of Head coach offers.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie38 on May 14, 2021, 09:11:46 PM
Personally for me I think Allerdyce will still be here. He was watching from the stands tonight with Morrison Sammy Lee and Dowling.  Why do that if he has no plans of staying?!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 14, 2021, 09:18:45 PM
We'd probably go up under Jokanovic but we'd come straight back down his style is too expansive for a club like us in the PL.

It's absolutely imperative that we appoint someone that will keep us up.

The likes of Jokanovic, Cooper wont do that unless we have about £150 million to spend.

If not Allardyce it has to be Wilder from those listed above. Most of the names on that list are depressing to say the least.

Very depressing list indeed!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggieboy79 on May 14, 2021, 10:18:40 PM
No way will it be Lampard in my opinion. Our owner wants out and to achieve that he needs us back in the prem ASAP. Allardyce and if not it'll be Wilder.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: BB74 on May 14, 2021, 10:40:52 PM
I don’t see what Lampard has achieved to warrant a chance. I’d be amazed if he is still in the game at 50.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: BaggieNick on May 14, 2021, 11:01:03 PM
Lampard wouldn't touch us with a bargepole unless he had cash to spend which probably rules him out.

I fancy him for the Palace job and talking Zaha into another season.

I don't see all the fuss with Frank to be honest.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: costa blanca baggie on May 14, 2021, 11:09:57 PM
I can see Hodgson coming back. I've heard he hates it at Palace and would be keen to come back.
I wouldn’t normally be arsed to ask, but who do you know that knows that he hates it Palace, and is KEEN to come back?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Atomic on May 14, 2021, 11:14:36 PM
God knows where some of these rumours come from.

Hodgson not going to happen. 0% chance.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie96 on May 14, 2021, 11:29:59 PM
Hodgson linked in the sun, I’d love that.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie38 on May 14, 2021, 11:32:00 PM
The sun reporting we could turn to Hodgson if Sam does leave. I don't know how to feel. I'll always love RH for his spell with us previously but he is 73 and has never coached in the championship. I'd be worried for the blokes health if he did join. The championship is even more stressful and taxing than the premier league.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Standaman on May 14, 2021, 11:40:15 PM
I like Hodgson and he was good for us the first time round but no not now.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie38 on May 15, 2021, 12:07:22 AM
I think we should just leave Hodgson in the past. Have fond memories of what he did for us previously and help Swan off into retirement by not appointing him.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on May 15, 2021, 12:45:01 AM
I'm not sure why Sam would bother going to the FA youth cup game if he's not going to stay. Seems a pointless thing to do if he's not looking for kids who may take part next season
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: cads_ap_albion on May 15, 2021, 08:28:56 AM
I'm not sure why Sam would bother going to the FA youth cup game if he's not going to stay. Seems a pointless thing to do if he's not looking for kids who may take part next season

Agree. I thought the same.

Wouldn't mind Hodgson though. I think he may feel he owes us. Young coaches like Mozza, Brunt etc around him to learn.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: frazzle on May 15, 2021, 08:49:16 AM
Hodgson in a heartbeat. He’s still doing a good job at Palace.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 15, 2021, 09:10:15 AM
I really like Hodgson but putting aside the age thing why would he leave the Palace gig?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 15, 2021, 09:12:36 AM
I really like Hodgson but putting aside the age thing why would he leave the Palace gig?

He’s out of contract in the summer.

I don’t think palace have instigated any discussions regarding a new deal so it would suggest that he’ll be off in the summer.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Standaman on May 15, 2021, 09:14:50 AM
On the one hand there is speculation as to whether Allardyce at 66 wants another season or two because he has health concerns yet we are now linked with one of the two active managers in the top 2 tiers who is older  the other being Warnock (can we all agree that would be bad)

Hodgson is ridiculous he is will be 74 by the start of next season he has overstayed at Palace by at least a season. We can't wind the clock back by a decade. He is leaving Palace because they aren't renewing his contract and need to move on we should do the same.


Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: wbasoprano on May 15, 2021, 09:44:54 AM
On the one hand there is speculation as to whether Allardyce at 66 wants another season or two because he has health concerns yet we are now linked with one of the two active managers in the top 2 tiers who is older  the other being Warnock (can we all agree that would be bad)

Hodgson is ridiculous he is will be 74 by the start of next season he has overstayed at Palace by at least a season. We can't wind the clock back by a decade. He is leaving Palace because they aren't renewing his contract and need to move on we should do the same.

This. Loved Hodgson, but he's ancient now and you should never go back, as they say.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on May 15, 2021, 09:48:51 AM
This. Loved Hodgson, but he's ancient now and you should never go back, as they say.

My thoughts entirely - Roy should retire with grace, he has earned it.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on May 15, 2021, 10:34:13 AM
I desperately want Sam to stay, imo, he is our best chance of promotion.

But if he decides the job isn’t for him, I would like an up and coming manager and would suggest Barnsley’s Valérien Ismaël is added to the poll please Liam

How about Roy Hudson becoming our Director of Football?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: leeiswba on May 15, 2021, 10:51:13 AM
Hodgson been my favourite manager and I want it to stay that way, they say never go back for a reason
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SmethDan on May 15, 2021, 11:38:37 AM
.......How about Roy Hudson becoming our Director of Football?

Not sure how I'd feel about having a Director of Football who turned down the opportunity to sign Jamie Vardy when he had the chance as Albion manager.

We'd scouted him numerous times. All the reports were good apparently. Hodgson watched him play once on a miserable night and based on that one solitary performance said no.

We know the ear cupped rest. I think it's time Roy enjoyed the relaxing fruits of a lifetime of his labours in football.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: BalisPen on May 15, 2021, 11:53:35 AM
Not sure how I'd feel about having a Director of Football who turned down the opportunity to sign Jamie Vardy when he had the chance as Albion manager.

We'd scouted him numerous times. All the reports were good apparently. Hodgson watched him play once on a miserable night and based on that one solitary performance said no.

We know the ear cupped rest. I think it's time Roy enjoyed the relaxing fruits of a lifetime of his labours in football.

On the flip side he also brought in Gmac after seeing him play once and after Ashworth had dismissed him as Ipswich had been thrashed in that game.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Standaman on May 15, 2021, 11:59:41 AM
If Hodgson wanted to move from day to day coaching to a Director of Football role he would have done it when he finished with England he didn't so I think it is fairly safe to assume he isn't interested in that type of role. Equally DoF is hardly undemanding if we have concerns about him as coach because of his age then they apply equally to Dof . We just need to move on.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Adder on May 15, 2021, 12:08:46 PM
On the flip side he also brought in Gmac after seeing him play once and after Ashworth had dismissed him as Ipswich had been thrashed in that game.
He did but Brunt was reportedly involved in this as well due to the Irish squad connection.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SmethDan on May 15, 2021, 01:00:09 PM
On the flip side he also brought in Gmac after seeing him play once and after Ashworth had dismissed him as Ipswich had been thrashed in that game.

At the time GMac was signed I couldn't understand some of the comments surrounding his arrival. He was perfect for what Hodgson wanted.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: BalisPen on May 15, 2021, 02:12:03 PM
He did but Brunt was reportedly involved in this as well due to the Irish squad connection.

Brunt was involved in so much as when asked by Ashworth about him, he gave him a glowing recommendation. Then after the Ashworth and Roy went to see him and Ipswich lost 6 Nil, or something as equally embarrassing,  Ashworth took the **** Out of Brunt for giving him such a recommendation, whereas Roy had seen a quality player whom he signed.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on May 15, 2021, 05:02:17 PM
This is just depressing as I have said before ask me 3 months ago I would have said get rid of Big Sam. But Big Sam turned it on last month or so and for once it was exciting to watch us actually play well with Pereira looking class now I want Big Sam to stay he got West Ham out of Chumps and secured them in the PL let him do that with us then send him on his way along with the board then rebuild and hopefully by then Fans have a say in what happens. So as long as he can and willing to Big Sam to stay on.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 15, 2021, 08:33:44 PM
He’s out of contract in the summer.

I don’t think palace have instigated any discussions regarding a new deal so it would suggest that he’ll be off in the summer.

Ah blimey I'm a dope. Thanks Liam.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: BaggieNick on May 15, 2021, 10:39:04 PM
Hodgson in a Championship scrap - no thanks despite him being brilliant for us.

Although! He probably Is streets ahead of some of the individuals we have lined up.

Just too old for me. He needs to sit back and enjoy his retirement and let the mad world of football buzz around him.

Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: overseas baggie on May 16, 2021, 09:24:24 AM
Hodgson in a Championship scrap - no thanks despite him being brilliant for us.

Although! He probably Is streets ahead of some of the individuals we have lined up.

Just too old for me. He needs to sit back and enjoy his retirement and let the mad world of football buzz around him.

Hodgson has forgotten more about football management than most will ever know.   There is hardly anyone better to learn from, and we really could do a lot worse than bring him here for a 2-year deal with the right young assistant groomed to take over from him to fully exploit that knowledge.  Maybe the right set-up for Appleton, even Morrison or Brunt or Darren Fletcher.   

Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Standaman on May 16, 2021, 11:09:34 AM
Hodgson has forgotten more about football management than most will ever know.   There is hardly anyone better to learn from, and we really could do a lot worse than bring him here for a 2-year deal with the right young assistant groomed to take over from him to fully exploit that knowledge.  Maybe the right set-up for Appleton, even Morrison or Brunt or Darren Fletcher.   



On the face of it that sounds like an appealing prospect but I don't think it works. Roy is still in charge and he hasn't got two years in him and when whoever takes over despite sitting at the feet of the Great Man is still a rookie Head Coach and he might do exactly and say the same things but he is not doing it with the same authority.  If there was a time to do this it was at Palace and well they didn't nor did he suggest it.

Monkey see monkey do has been football's modus operandi forever. Many coaching career has been launched by association with greatness either played for or assisted one of the game's greats has been launch pad for many coaching careers. However the success rate is such that it is almost a negative indicator of future sucess.

Association with Alex Ferguson whose longevity at the pinnacle of the game has given ample opportunity to spawn two generations of coaches has to date given us Steve Bruce and the rest is pretty much a bust. Sir Bobby Robson I think had at various stages Van Gaal and Mourinho as assistants  but how much of their future sucess was down to his mentoring is debatable but I am sure it helped.

Steven Reid has been assistant to Hodgson at Palace has has a similar role with Chis Hughton at Forest and worked with Steve Clarke in the Scotland set up. As an assistant had as much exposure to experienced Head Coaches as someone working with Roy for a couple of seasons would but he isn't on anyone's radar for this job nor should he be.   
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SmethDan on May 17, 2021, 02:39:54 PM
Hodgson has forgotten more about football management than most will ever know.......

That saying always makes me smile. It could be suggested his vast experience in the game would be an asset.

Minor point perhaps but suggestions of decrepitude and senility aren't the stand out qualities I'd be looking for in any new manager  ;D .
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SirTonyM on May 17, 2021, 07:41:17 PM
I read the article about Maitland-Niles team talk before the Chelsea game. Why is he not on the list? ;)
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: WBA on May 17, 2021, 08:13:46 PM
No thanks to Maresa. Another not experienced enough for what is a crucial, crucial season ahead. One for the future perhaps but let him pay his dues elsewhere.

He's had 2 seasons at Premier League level in England and Spain as Assistant Manager and a season in Serie B as an AM.  Plus a year as Elite Coach at Man City working with Pep.

Some progress as quickly in 2 yrs as others in 20.  I doubt Pep would have appointed him if he wasn't highly regarded and he delivered the PL2 trophy. 

There are no guarantees whoever you appoint.  As I originally suggested it's unlikely we'll appoint him but as an ex-Baggie,  I will be watching his managerial career with interest.  I suspect he's possibly being groomed to take over from Pep in due course. 
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 17, 2021, 08:14:56 PM
He's had 2 seasons at Premier League level in England and Spain as Assistant Manager and a season in Serie B as an AM.  Plus a year as Elite Coach at Man City working with Pep.

Some progress as quickly in 2 yrs as others in 20.  I doubt Pep would have appointed him if he wasn't highly regarded and he delivered the PL2 trophy. 

There are no guarantees whoever you appoint.  As I originally suggested it's unlikely we'll appoint him but as an ex-Baggie,  I will be watching his managerial career with interest.  I suspect he's possibly being groomed to take over from Pep in due course.

Andy Myers then?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: WBA on May 17, 2021, 08:17:33 PM
Re. the Barnsley Manager they're just about to kick off in the 1st leg semi-final if you can catch it.


Be interesting to see this intensity of play he operates.

Also to scout Dike and Woodrow as potential signings if they don't go up.   Alex Mowatt too who is out of contract.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: WBA on May 17, 2021, 09:56:42 PM
Andy Myers then?

Are you the Board stalker...lol  ;D
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 17, 2021, 10:23:31 PM
Are you the Board stalker...lol  ;D

Not normally mate no, coincidence if I've replied to a few of your posts. Re Maresca if he was British and hadn't donned the stripes would he get any more attention than Chelsea reserve coach (I'm led to believe) Andy Myers ? ;)
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: overseas baggie on May 17, 2021, 10:30:32 PM
He's had 2 seasons at Premier League level in England and Spain as Assistant Manager and a season in Serie B as an AM.  Plus a year as Elite Coach at Man City working with Pep.

Some progress as quickly in 2 yrs as others in 20.  I doubt Pep would have appointed him if he wasn't highly regarded and he delivered the PL2 trophy. 

There are no guarantees whoever you appoint.  As I originally suggested it's unlikely we'll appoint him but as an ex-Baggie,  I will be watching his managerial career with interest.  I suspect he's possibly being groomed to take over from Pep in due course.

Not sure that I'd place any weight on winning P2.  They probably bought that too
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SirTonyM on May 18, 2021, 11:50:06 AM
I think we can knock the Hodgson rumours on the head. He’s leaving Palace due to the pressure and rigours of top flight football. Don’t think a 73 year old wants a year in the championship...
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Mikkyk on May 18, 2021, 12:01:59 PM
I think we can knock the Hodgson rumours on the head. He’s leaving Palace due to the pressure and rigours of top flight football. Don’t think a 73 year old wants a year in the championship...

Not that I think he'll come but if he's leaving due to pressures of top flight football, doesn't that suggest a job in not the premier league, i.e. championship?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: BB74 on May 18, 2021, 12:09:32 PM
Not that I think he'll come but if he's leaving due to pressures of top flight football, doesn't that suggest a job in not the premier league, i.e. championship?

Being in the Championship as Manager of Albion would have it's own pressures such as masterminding an immediate return to the PL.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: liverbaggie on May 18, 2021, 12:13:53 PM
He can come to the Hawthorns anytime for me, manager or not.
Could he mentor a young manager perhaps?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Mooncat on May 18, 2021, 12:31:53 PM
Even if Roy's statement can be read as he's not taking a job in 'the top flight' I'd be surprised if he came here now.
We're looking for an immediate return, plus a squad rebuilding job and would hope that whoever does achieve that would be around to stabalise us in the PL - not the kind of job you want if you're 'winding down'
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: KN22 on May 18, 2021, 12:38:34 PM
Even if Roy's statement can be read as he's not taking a job in 'the top flight' I'd be surprised if he came here now.
We're looking for an immediate return, plus a squad rebuilding job and would hope that whoever does achieve that would be around to stabalise us in the PL - not the kind of job you want if you're 'winding down'

Does that not rule out the current incumbent then? Just asking.... ;)
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: WBA on May 18, 2021, 02:57:11 PM
Not normally mate no, coincidence if I've replied to a few of your posts. Re Maresca if he was British and hadn't donned the stripes would he get any more attention than Chelsea reserve coach (I'm led to believe) Andy Myers ? ;)

Was only joking mate - good to 'meet' you.  Re Enzo, yes because he's been an Asst Manager at West Ham and Sevilla in La Liga and Ascoli in Serie B.  So he has three years management experience albeit as Asst though the Asst is often the person who does much of the prep and tactics.  If I remember correctly when he was at West Ham Pellegrini was ill for a few weeks and he took the reins including beating Chelsea at Stamford Bridge and the West Ham players were raving about him.

Maybe Big Sam in an advisory 'general' manager role for a year with Enzo as Head Coach might work. 

Of course being an ex-Baggie is a factor and I feel that is something that could appeal to him.  He is very highly regarded within the game (must be if Pep headhunted him) and sooner or later he's going to get a gig. 
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: WBA on May 18, 2021, 03:10:04 PM
Re. the Barnsley Manager they're just about to kick off in the 1st leg semi-final if you can catch it.


Be interesting to see this intensity of play he operates.

Also to scout Dike and Woodrow as potential signings if they don't go up.   Alex Mowatt too who is out of contract.

Watched the game, Barnsley coach is a bit of a nutter and they just hoof the ball constantly to the front men.  Dike was very disappointing last night.  There were no Barnsley players I'd be interested in.  Swansea a different kettle of fish though and I really like their manager Steve Cooper.  There was one touch of class which won the game by Andre Ayew, brilliant but apparently he's on 100k a week!  He's out of contract in June but his wages and age are against him unless they go up!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 19, 2021, 10:34:57 PM
Time to resurrect this thread then.

It’s going to be Wilder isn’t it?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: BlackCountryPride68 on May 19, 2021, 10:36:26 PM
Time to resurrect this thread then.

It’s going to be Wilder isn’t it?

Please no. Terrible fit.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: wodenson46 on May 19, 2021, 10:38:19 PM
probably wilder - not thrilled but will wait and see
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: wba_1996 on May 19, 2021, 10:39:02 PM
There’s more chance of us staying up this season than this next appointment being exciting and forward-thinking.

I’m almost certain they’ll go with Wilder.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on May 19, 2021, 10:39:28 PM
I’ll take it. New start, hopefully fresh ideas with Chris! (If it’s him)
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: sammyg on May 19, 2021, 10:40:01 PM
Be happy with Chris Wilder.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 19, 2021, 10:41:08 PM
Of all the potential candidates you’d have to want Wilder because at least he has the recent track record, I would certainly prefer that to an Appleton or McInnes or the usual names that get bandied about.

Sadly I wanted Big Sam as I could see the improvement we were making so anything else is a disappointment and Wilder’s record in the transfer market of late has not been wonderful
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 19, 2021, 10:42:06 PM
Absolutely dreading to think who the blokes in charge are going to appoint.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggies_24 on May 19, 2021, 10:47:08 PM
2018 LMA manager of the year runner up, 2019 LMA manager on the year .....

Not Klopp, Guardiola, Bielsa

The views on Wilder baffle me slightly, 4 promotions been successful at every team he’s been at. Had he been linked 12 months ago fans would have been besides themselves. Granted this season they have been awful which is why he’s been linked to the Albion job & not premier league sides like last year. I saw Bielsea came out the other day & praised him for what a superb job he did at Sheffield United & that he’l miss going up against him, praise like that from someone as knowledgeable as Bielsa speaks volumes about Wilders ability as a manager.

My massive reservation is you need someone strong in the technical role as his undoing undoubtedly was his big money signings in the past 12 months, I’d rather Wilder in as manager with a new DOF than Dowling stay on.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 19, 2021, 10:52:45 PM
2018 LMA manager of the year runner up, 2019 LMA manager on the year .....

Not Klopp, Guardiola, Bielsa

The views on Wilder baffle me slightly, 4 promotions been successful at every team he’s been at. Had he been linked 12 months ago fans would have been besides themselves. Granted this season they have been awful which is why he’s been linked to the Albion job & not premier league sides like last year. I saw Bielsea came out the other day & praised him for what a superb job he did at Sheffield United & that he’l miss going up against him, praise like that from someone as knowledgeable as Bielsa speaks volumes about Wilders ability as a manager.

My massive reservation is you need someone strong in the technical role as his undoing undoubtedly was his big money signings in the past 12 months, I’d rather Wilder in as manager with a new DOF than Dowling stay on.


It's the transfer side of Wilder that puts me off more than his style. I think he would grind out results for us but as you say need a DOF who knows what they are doing. If its true that Wilder refuses to work under a DOF like rumoured at Blades then count him out immediiately.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 19, 2021, 10:53:58 PM
I would certainly prefer that to an Appleton or McInnes or the usual names that get bandied about.
I agree on that point - there's no former Albion player who's good enough for the situation we're in IMO.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: darbolina on May 19, 2021, 10:54:36 PM
Wilder nailed on I'd say. We do need a long term appointment (for us that's 3 years).......!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Baggies on May 19, 2021, 10:55:39 PM
Wilder will be a good manager for somebody baggies_24, but his past record suggests he will have no use for the majority of the permanent signings we made only 8-9 months ago. No use for Robinson, Grant, Diangana, or probably Matty Phillips.

Why don’t we approach a manager who is capable of using the players we have, rather that us throwing them on the scrap pile and wasting yet more money?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: MONKWBA on May 19, 2021, 10:57:03 PM
My biggest fear is knowing Dowling is a very big fan of John Terry. I shudder at the thought of his appointment.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: alex1 on May 19, 2021, 10:57:53 PM
Wilder's favourite formation is 5-3-2 which tells you enough. A very negative formation which means goals will always hard to come by. Explains why Sheff Utd only managed 18 goals under him. (we've scored almost twice that).
P.S. And when Burke is one of the 2 up front, you've got bigger problems.   
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 19, 2021, 10:59:10 PM
Lampard is only name that would excite me, the rest seem like dinosaurs, journeymen, and a collection of dull championship bosses that play a timid old school style of football. What a mess.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: PartisanBaggie on May 19, 2021, 10:59:41 PM
Wilder will be a good manager for somebody baggies_24, but his past record suggests he will have no use for the majority of the permanent signings we made only 8-9 months ago. No use for Robinson, Grant, Diangana, or probably Matty Phillips.

Why don’t we approach a manager who is capable of using the players we have, rather that us throwing them on the scrap pile and wasting yet more money?

Fair point Baggies.

Who do you think would be a good fit for the club?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: darbolina on May 19, 2021, 10:59:58 PM
Wilder will be a good manager for somebody baggies_24, but his past record suggests he will have no use for the majority of the permanent signings we made only 8-9 months ago. No use for Robinson, Grant, Diangana, or probably Matty Phillips.

Why don’t we approach a manager who is capable of using the players we have, rather that us throwing them on the scrap pile and wasting yet more money?

Because that would take insight, knowledge and planning and we have Lai, Dowling and Ken making the decisions so I'd say Wilder is the best unimaginative but potentially effective appointment they can come up with.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Topman on May 19, 2021, 11:00:24 PM
If they didn’t win the play offs, would anyone try and tempt the Swansea manager? I know we’d have to pay up but has done very well there with hardly any money
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie96 on May 19, 2021, 11:01:08 PM
Wilder is a great manager but we have a squad loaded with wingers and he doesn’t play wingers...
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: BaggieNick on May 19, 2021, 11:02:21 PM
If they didn’t win the play offs, would anyone try and tempt the Swansea manager? I know we’d have to pay up but has done very well there with hardly any money

Has to be in the mix.

Along with the Barnsley manager.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: WBArgo on May 19, 2021, 11:04:10 PM
I've forgotten his name (but his avatar on here says 'I hate Facebook') but a few weeks back he said we could get Wilder. This guy never gets anything wrong in his years being on here and is probably the only genuine 'itk' we have, so it looks like Wilder. He would be near the top of my list and bar his last season at United, his CV is excellent.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Baggies on May 19, 2021, 11:06:05 PM
Fair point Baggies.

Who do you think would be a good fit for the club?

Somebody from abroad, a German manager being my own personal choice for reasons I’ve bored on about for a few years.

Domestically, I’d be half tempted by Ismael if he could play better football and I also like their former manager Struber.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on May 19, 2021, 11:08:28 PM
Tony Mowbray anyone?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 19, 2021, 11:08:42 PM
I also liked Struber. He did a good job at Barnsley in difficult circumstances.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: darbolina on May 19, 2021, 11:09:21 PM
Appleton with Hodgson ?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 19, 2021, 11:09:31 PM
Who doesn’t want to see Kyle Bartley as an overlapping centre back?  ;D
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: jimmyj on May 19, 2021, 11:09:41 PM
Friend of mine has suggested Robins from Coventry. Overachieved with limited resources it seems. As we've been sniffing around Gamer, this could make sense. Don't know much about the bloke myself.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 19, 2021, 11:10:06 PM
Tony Mowbray anyone?
I would, but I suspect I'm in a small minority!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on May 19, 2021, 11:10:33 PM
It won't be anyone currently in a job
No way will we be paying compensation
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: DevonInStripes on May 19, 2021, 11:11:17 PM
Bring back Roy Hodgson . Unfinished business ! The thought of Chris Wilder taking over is not a pleasant one , how on earth did he think Burke was Premier League standard !
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on May 19, 2021, 11:11:19 PM
I would, but I suspect I'm in a small minority!

Would take him back in a heart beat personally
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: alex1 on May 19, 2021, 11:11:28 PM
I'd like Edin Terzic in, but Eintracht Frankfurt rumoured to be closing in on him. His interim post at Borussia Dortmund will shortly be ending. He knows the English game through being No. 2 to Bilic at West Ham.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 19, 2021, 11:11:39 PM
Appleton with Hodgson ?
Can't people just let Hodgson have a happy and, hopefully, long retirement like he seems to want to - "I'll miss football" he said today.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: darbolina on May 19, 2021, 11:17:56 PM
We need someone with football knowlwdge to cover for the fact dowling and the board have no clue what they're doing....
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 19, 2021, 11:18:49 PM
Wilder's favourite formation is 5-3-2 which tells you enough. A very negative formation which means goals will always hard to come by. Explains why Sheff Utd only managed 18 goals under him. (we've scored almost twice that).
P.S. And when Burke is one of the 2 up front, you've got bigger problems.

This always seems to get thrown around at Wilder about the goals scored by Sheff United this season.

To put it in greater context

2019-20 - scored 39, conceded 39 - finished 9th with 54 points
2018-19 - scored 78, conceded 41 - finished 2nd with 89 points
2017-18 - scored 57, conceded 49 - finished 10th with 65 points
2016-17 - scored 92, conceded 47 - finished 1st with 100 points
2015-16 - scored 82, conceded 46 - finished 1st with 99 points
2914-15 - scored 67, conceded 62 - finished 12th with 61 points

The three seasons prior at Oxford saw them achieve over 60 points in each season with goals for tallies of 60, 59, 57

His championship record:

Managed; 92
Won; 46
Drawn; 20
Lost; 26
Goals for; 140
Goals against; 96
PPM: 1.72

He averages 1.58 points per game across his managerial career.

Not bad by any stretch of the imagination. We could do a lot worse - though there are concerns as to whether this squad suits him.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: tambag on May 19, 2021, 11:19:01 PM
Steve Cooper for me
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 19, 2021, 11:20:16 PM
Steve Cooper for me

No thanks, far too ugly, I do not want to see that face regularly
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: ttree30 on May 19, 2021, 11:21:23 PM
Allardyce: "I believe the club now needs stability and continuity and this would, in my opinion, best be provided by a young and ambitious manager who can get us back to where we should be as an established Premier League football club.“

“Young and ambitious.” So who fits that bill?

Chris Wilder is 53 so although he’s younger than me and quite a lot younger than Allardyce, I don’t think you can really call a 53 year old “young.”

And I fear for us. I do hope I’m wrong, but I wonder if our run of success in the Championship may be about to come to an end. People have grown accustomed to it, almost expecting it, but it has to end sometime and our squad needs major surgery from front to back. I don’t like the look of our team at all - 73 goals conceded, 26 points, best players leaving, weaknesses in every department, and far from a promotion team in the second half of the last Championship campaign. Add to that a wretched recent recruitment record.

If they get this appointment and the signings wrong (again), Albion could be the mid-table Championship club Jeremy Peace described some years ago. Or worse.

I’m a lot more worried tonight now we know Allardyce has taken a look - and the cold hard truth is he doesn’t fancy it.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: darbolina on May 19, 2021, 11:22:40 PM
Steve Cooper for me

Yep good call but he'd have worked well with an Ashworth above him, dowling wouldn't work with Cooper-  a forward thinking coach interested in developing a young,  dynamic ball playing team
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Mister AT on May 19, 2021, 11:23:13 PM
Needs to be someone who has a back bone and willing to put his foot down. This squad potentially has a huge rebuild in the summer.

I imagine they will try all out for wilder. My concern with him is the current squad is the furthest away from how he plays.
Add to that Robinson won’t get a game and some of Wilders recent signings, doesn’t fill me with confidence. How keen is he to manage a team other than his boyhood club too?

Knowing Dowling, it will be Wilder, Howe, O’Neil and maybe a revisit to Jokanovic.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 19, 2021, 11:23:54 PM
This always seems to get thrown around at Wilder about the goals scored by Sheff United this season.

To put it in greater context

2019-20 - scored 39, conceded 39 - finished 9th with 54 points
2018-19 - scored 78, conceded 41 - finished 2nd with 89 points
2017-18 - scored 57, conceded 49 - finished 10th with 65 points
2016-17 - scored 92, conceded 47 - finished 1st with 100 points
2015-16 - scored 82, conceded 46 - finished 1st with 99 points
2914-15 - scored 67, conceded 62 - finished 12th with 61 points

The three seasons prior at Oxford saw them achieve over 60 points in each season with goals for tallies of 60, 59, 57

His championship record:

Managed; 92
Won; 46
Drawn; 20
Lost; 26
Goals for; 140
Goals against; 96
PPM: 1.72

He averages 1.58 points per game across his managerial career.

Not bad by any stretch of the imagination. We could do a lot worse - though there are concerns as to whether this squad suits him.

What leagues were Oxford playing in? League 1 and 2 is pub football. How come Sheff Utd were so goal shy over two premiership seasons? How much he spend on Brewster? He had no idea how to set up a team to carry a threat in the top flight. As soon as Dean Henderson left it fell apart for him. I know he’s got a good lower league record but that is a totally substandard level of football. 
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Mister AT on May 19, 2021, 11:27:52 PM
Allardyce: "I believe the club now needs stability and continuity and this would, in my opinion, best be provided by a young and ambitious manager who can get us back to where we should be as an established Premier League football club.“

“Young and ambitious.” So who fits that bill?

Chris Wilder is 53 so although he’s younger than me and quite a lot younger than Allardyce, I don’t think you can really call a 53 year old “young.”

And I fear for us. I do hope I’m wrong, but I wonder if our run of success in the Championship may be about to come to an end. People have grown accustomed to it, almost expecting it, but it has to end sometime and our squad needs major surgery from front to back. I don’t like the look of our team at all - 73 goals conceded, 26 points, best players leaving, weaknesses in every department, and far from a promotion team in the second half of the last Championship campaign. Add to that a wretched recent recruitment record.

If they get this appointment and the signings wrong (again), Albion could be the mid-table Championship club Jeremy Peace described some years ago. Or worse.

I’m a lot more worried tonight now we know Allardyce has taken a look - and the cold hard truth is he doesn’t fancy it.

Whilst I also have concerns, this squad is still attractive to a manager.

If Johnstone goes they have a choice of Button, Palmer (arguably best keeper in league 1 this year) and Griffiths (arguably league 2 keeper of the year).

Furlong and Townsend are solid championship fullbacks. Ajayi is good enough for championship.

Snodgrass depending on his recovery will be useful. Sawyers if played correctly.

Robinson, Grant and Grady are a solid forward 3 in the championship and on paper would get goals.

If you can rebuild the midfield with the money we will get from Pereira and add a couple other players (the likes of Mowatt, Assombalanga, Smith are all useful free agents), and nick a couple loans from the prem and you have a play off squad at your disposal.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Mister AT on May 19, 2021, 11:30:54 PM
What leagues were Oxford playing in? League 1 and 2 is pub football. How come Sheff Utd were so goal shy over two premiership seasons? How much he spend on Brewster? He had no idea how to set up a team to carry a threat in the top flight. As soon as Dean Henderson left it fell apart for him. I know he’s got a good lower league record but that is a totally substandard level of football.

Wilders a good manager. I remember Sheff United the season we missed out on promotion they were solid and good going forward.

My biggest concern is trusting him with money.

Brewster, McBurnie, Burke, Ramsdale are just a few of his recent big money signings  :-X
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: alex1 on May 19, 2021, 11:31:00 PM
What leagues were Oxford playing in? League 1 and 2 is pub football. How come Sheff Utd were so goal shy over two premiership seasons? How much he spend on Brewster? He had no idea how to set up a team to carry a threat in the top flight. As soon as Dean Henderson left it fell apart for him. I know he’s got a good lower league record but that is a totally substandard level of football.
If you set up as 5-3-2 its all about having a compact defence, and trying to nick a 1-0.
Surely, we're better than that?  Is there a place for flair players at Sheff Utd? Can't think of many. Brewster had a decent reputation at Liverpool but is obvious he was feeding off scraps under Wilder's football. The less said about Burke the better.
If we end up with Wilder, doubt I'll be visiting the Hawthorns too much.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 19, 2021, 11:33:14 PM
Wilders a good manager. I remember Sheff United the season we missed out on promotion they were solid and good going forward.

My biggest concern is trusting him with money.

Brewster, McBurnie, Burke, Ramsdale are just a few of his recent big money signings  :-X

We don’t need to worry about Wilder wasting money.

Dowling will do that for us  ;D
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Albionic on May 19, 2021, 11:34:39 PM
Wilders a good manager. I remember Sheff United the season we missed out on promotion they were solid and good going forward.

My biggest concern is trusting him with money.

Brewster, McBurnie, Burke, Ramsdale are just a few of his recent big money signings  :-X

Brewster should have been a good but expensive signing in fairness
Ramsdale came off the back of an excellent season
Burke, indefensible
McBurnie, can't really comment as I know his history
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 19, 2021, 11:34:48 PM
If you set up as 5-3-2 its all about having a compact defence, and trying to nick a 1-0.
Surely, we're better than that?  Is there a place for flair players at Sheff Utd? Can't think of many. Brewster had a decent reputation at Liverpool but is obvious he was feeding off scraps under Wilder's football. The less said about Burke the better.
If we end up with Wilder, doubt I'll be visiting the Hawthorns too much.

I agree with you. Harland and Mbappe would have struggled to score goals playing for Sheff Utd. As soon as they lost their keeper they fell apart as no team you can’t sustain a place in the premiership without at least being able to score a goal a game.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on May 19, 2021, 11:57:36 PM
Graeme Jones being mentioned  :o
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 19, 2021, 11:58:06 PM
Graeme Jones being mentioned  :o

Good lord
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 19, 2021, 11:58:34 PM
Big Dave as his number 2?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on May 19, 2021, 11:59:36 PM
Big Dave as his number 2?

Yep! Look forward to Alex Palmer attempting to play the ball out from the back next season  ;D
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 20, 2021, 12:00:18 AM
Yep! Look forward to Alex Palmer attempting to play the ball out from the back next season  ;D

Oh god I forgot how much I hated these pair in charge
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Atomic on May 20, 2021, 12:01:02 AM
Graeme Jones being mentioned  :o

As long as that's all he is - mentioned.

Cant see us appointing him for a second.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: PartisanBaggie on May 20, 2021, 12:01:40 AM
Big Dave as his number 2?

Haha! I was just thinking that 😆

Let’s make this reunion official by ensuring Jimmy Shan is part of the coaching staff too. You know, just in case!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SirTonyM on May 20, 2021, 12:24:38 AM
Wilder no where near as bad as people are making out. Bear in mind we have had Pulis, Allardyce, Pardew and Irvine...

Steve Cooper or Jokanovic would be 2 options I would be interested in. I would also look abroad but personally don't know enough about the options.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 20, 2021, 12:32:58 AM
My biggest fear is knowing Dowling is a very big fan of John Terry. I shudder at the thought of his appointment.

I think Terry will get it as I posted in the other thread prior to seeing this.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Atomic on May 20, 2021, 12:36:35 AM
I think Terry will get it as I posted in the other thread prior to seeing this.

Terry is completely unknown in management terms. Impossible to know what to expect. He's an interesting option.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Standaman on May 20, 2021, 12:49:01 AM
Terry is a seriously terrible option. I might have some fairly significant reservations about Wilder but he is so far ahead of Terry he is lapping him.

Personally I would go with a short list of Appleton, Robbins and Evatt.

Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 20, 2021, 01:03:12 AM
I should qualify that Terry is right up there with last person I want but I've got a feeling...

Fans would riot at your shortlist Stan  ;D 3 that would be perceived as Alan Irvine type appointments.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Standaman on May 20, 2021, 01:14:45 AM
I should qualify that Terry is right up there with last person I want but I've got a feeling...

Fans would riot at your shortlist Stan  ;D 3 that would be perceived as Alan Irvine type appointments.

Proud to march to a different drum. But as I said in an earlier thread I am completely through with the big name coaches the pragmatists and the short term fixes. We have done it to death and here we are back at square maybe try something different.   
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Atomic on May 20, 2021, 01:36:29 AM
Terry is a seriously terrible option. I might have some fairly significant reservations about Wilder but he is so far ahead of Terry he is lapping him.


How do you know he's a terrible option?  He's no experience at all in being a manager but that doesnt mean he'd be bad at it.

Wilder is a good manager to be fair he's only really had one bad season in about eight. Whether he"s the right fit for us is another matter.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SC_Baggie on May 20, 2021, 01:41:50 AM
I don’t know why but I really don’t want Wilder. Just have a bad feeling about it
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on May 20, 2021, 01:53:38 AM
Thought I'd throw the cat amongst the pigeons.
How about Mark Warburton?
Worked well at Brentford and Rangers.
Not so good at Forest but turned QPR around at the start of the year.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SirTonyM on May 20, 2021, 02:54:09 AM
John Terry :( That would be a low ebb...
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: beechyboy90 on May 20, 2021, 03:37:03 AM
Mark Robins has done a decent job at cov
Paul cook has always worked wonders at basket cases deserves a bigger job.
The swansea manager has done a good job over last few years.
Wagner who was at huddersfield was ok.
Maresca has done well as num 2 everywhere will have plethora of contacts in europe so we dont have to rely on a god awful DOF.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: alex1 on May 20, 2021, 04:10:06 AM
Not being able to sleep over this, I've come up with this list, in order of preference;
1. Ralf Rangnick 2. Edin Terzic 3. Peter Bosz 4. Dieter Hecking 5. Frank Lampard
6. Uwe Rosler 7. Enzo Maresca.
I think all of them are either available or might be interested.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: festerp on May 20, 2021, 04:35:30 AM
What about AVB he is available, young at 43 and hugely experienced in Europe and England.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: DaveWBA on May 20, 2021, 05:59:54 AM
How horrific is that list of voting options?!

We've got a whole summer of this, no way we make a speedy appointment.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Canmore Baggie on May 20, 2021, 06:19:08 AM
What about AVB he is available, young at 43 and hugely experienced in Europe and England.

Interesting option - but do you think he'd consider coming into the Chumps?
Only lure I can see is that we will be amongst the 'big' clubs and he would have a very real chance of bringing us up, which would get him back in the Prem...
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: hardtobeat on May 20, 2021, 06:20:45 AM
Simply in footballing terms somebody like to explain why Terry is such a terrible option? He has always stated he wants to be a number 1, his contact book will be as big as any . As I say forget the personal stuff why his he such a bad option ?.
 For what it's worth I would be after Lampard but if we are going down the cheaper route then in fairness I watched Lincoln/ Sunderland last night and was impressed with the way Lincoln tried to play so wouldn't rule Appleton out just on the ' we don't want old boys ' mantra.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Davros1582 on May 20, 2021, 07:04:00 AM
How about hasselbaink. He has done a superb job at Burton
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Groovephil on May 20, 2021, 07:44:45 AM
Good god some of the names here make me shudder.

We don’t want anyone who hasn’t done before what our goal is now. Promotion from the championship. Billic was a fluke and stumbled over the line with a shocking last 10 games record, this continued into the Prem. we need to be better than this.

You look at the options and its Wilder all day for me. Sure he had a horrible second Prem season with SU but he got them up and kept them up.

I just can’t see past it but his purchase of Burke will always worry me to death in the transfer market. It’s why I’d like us to be a little cleverer and have a Roy / Sam figure on the board to help.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: wbasoprano on May 20, 2021, 07:49:04 AM
He's way out our league and price range I expect but Rafa Benitez would be my choice
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 20, 2021, 07:51:11 AM
I agree with the concerns around Wilders transfer business - the McBurnie and Burke signings really stand out as poor signings. I can forgive the Brewster signing as I think there is a good player in there and many were advocating his signing in the summer. I guess those sort of monies at the Blunts is not available here and as such he will need to box clever.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: BaggiePhil on May 20, 2021, 07:59:42 AM
According to Odds Checker James shan is the favourite for the permanent job. It must be a joke?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: leeiswba on May 20, 2021, 08:05:19 AM
No one out there who excites me.

I think it will be John Terry
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 20, 2021, 08:18:02 AM
According to Odds Checker James shan is the favourite for the permanent job. It must be a joke?

That’s from the previous vacancy after Moore was sacked.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: BaggiePhil on May 20, 2021, 08:25:33 AM
No one out there who excites me.

I think it will be John Terry
Eddie Howe is the best one I can see out there. But we don't have a cat in hells chance. With Celtic calling compared to our board.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Standaman on May 20, 2021, 08:43:19 AM
How do you know he's a terrible option?  He's no experience at all in being a manager but that doesnt mean he'd be bad at it.

Wilder is a good manager to be fair he's only really had one bad season in about eight. Whether he"s the right fit for us is another matter.

There is a special category of manager which club's like us should avoid which is the high profile former player looking for a start as a Head Coach and Terry is fairly typical of the genre. There is no way that this job is one for a rookie (it wasn't when we promoted Moore but he had more experience than Terry) we wouldn't even consider an assistant coach from the Villa if they weren't a high profile former player.     
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: hardtobeat on May 20, 2021, 08:52:46 AM
There is a special category of manager which club's like us should avoid which is the high profile former player looking for a start as a Head Coach and Terry is fairly typical of the genre. There is no way that this job is one for a rookie (it wasn't when we promoted Moore but he had more experience than Terry) we wouldn't even consider an assistant coach from the Villa if they weren't a high profile former player.   
So you’d rule out the likes of Maresca , Carrick , the likes of the bloke at Blackpool then ? On that basis you are limiting what in the eyes of many is already a very small pool and quite possibly extending the gravy train for the likes of Hughes
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: liverbaggie on May 20, 2021, 08:58:19 AM
Eddie Howe for me
Young and with a point to prove.
Always plays attractive attacking football.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: johnny Cash on May 20, 2021, 09:00:04 AM
John Terry has done 3/4 years as an assistant so has at least done some form of apprenticeship unlike many of the big name former pro’s. iMore than your Lampard, Terry, Rooney, Henry

However he’s an absolute scum bag, so please no.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: wbasoprano on May 20, 2021, 09:04:16 AM
Eddie Howe for me
Young and with a point to prove.
Always plays attractive attacking football.

Watched Bournemouth many times and the attacking football thing is a bit of a myth, but we could do a lot worse than Howe.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: seteefeet on May 20, 2021, 09:10:35 AM
I think Wilder is nailed on and, whilst not the most exciting, he ticks the two main boxes of having both promotion and survival on his CV.
Personally, I still think the promotion element is relatively easy, given our squad and budget, so we could take a punt on a Maresca type or even more experienced heads like Appleton, Warburton or Hasselbaink.
Whoever takes charge, the real battle starts once promotion is attained and that is purely down to budget so not a lot any manager can do about it.
Unless some miracle occurs, to address the financial corruption, within the greed league, and level the playing field, I have no doubt we will be in exactly the same position come August 2022 as we were in August 2020.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: boinging_along on May 20, 2021, 09:10:42 AM
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Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on May 20, 2021, 09:15:55 AM
John Terry has done 3/4 years as an assistant so has at least done some form of apprenticeship unlike many of the big name former pro’s. iMore than your Lampard, Terry, Rooney, Henry

However he’s an absolute scum bag, so please no.

You cannot help but think that the appointment of Terry would be to further the career of 'Team Terry' and not for the progression of the team. Absolutely not.

The majority of the list makes me shudder to be honest. I could be receptive to Jokanovic but that's about it.

If we could prise a manager away from a team I would opt for Frank at Brentford. Really enjoyed watching them last year and lets be fair, they scared the living daylights out of the division until they stepped on a landmine.

Sad to see Sam go but unusually for the Albion, the decision has been called early and we can get on with it.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: PartisanBaggie on May 20, 2021, 09:18:50 AM
There is a special category of manager which club's like us should avoid which is the high profile former player looking for a start as a Head Coach and Terry is fairly typical of the genre. There is no way that this job is one for a rookie (it wasn't when we promoted Moore but he had more experience than Terry) we wouldn't even consider an assistant coach from the Villa if they weren't a high profile former player.   

I’m not necessarily throwing my weight behind John Terry being the next Albion manager, but in fairness to him I’d say he’s more experienced than Darren Moore was when he took over the managerial seat in 2018.

Apparently it was John Terry who was pulling the strings when Chelsea won the Champions League in 2012, not RDM.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Pie on May 20, 2021, 09:25:11 AM
literally anyone but John Terry please.

We would aslo become John Terry's West Brom which I despise similar to Frank Lampard's / Wayne Rooney's Derby

I'mnot overly keen on Wilder after the last season, but i don't know how much say he had regarding transfers. If it was all down to hi then steer clear becuase its been a mess over in Sheffield with the amount of money spent on shocking players
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on May 20, 2021, 09:26:38 AM
Appleton or Wilder for me. Had we stayed up i would have welcomed Hodgson back but i doubt he will want to drop down a division.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: PartisanBaggie on May 20, 2021, 09:30:36 AM
literally anyone but John Terry please.

We would aslo become John Terry's West Brom which I despise similar to Frank Lampard's / Wayne Rooney's Derby

I'mnot overly keen on Wilder after the last season, but i don't know how much say he had regarding transfers. If it was all down to hi then steer clear becuase its been a mess over in Sheffield with the amount of money spent on shocking players

If I was given the choice between John Terry and Chris Wilder, I’d go with John Terry.

That’s no disrespect to Chris Wilder and this of course is my personal opinion between the two, hypothetically speaking.

If Chris Wilder is appointed though, I’ll back him because he’s our manager.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: smethwickw on May 20, 2021, 09:33:45 AM
I thought Wilder's issue at Sheff Utd was that he wanted more control and didn't to work under a DOF. Surely that rules us out then?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 20, 2021, 09:35:14 AM
I thought Wilder's issue at Sheff Utd was that he wanted more control and didn't to work under a DOF. Surely that rules us out then?


Thats what was bandied about. Don't want a repeat of this seasons shenanigans.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Standaman on May 20, 2021, 09:39:48 AM
So you’d rule out the likes of Maresca , Carrick , the likes of the bloke at Blackpool then ? On that basis you are limiting what in the eyes of many is already a very small pool and quite possibly extending the gravy train for the likes of Hughes

Breaking it down for you. Maresca and Critchley (the bloke at Blackpool) are entirely different to Terry. Nobody is giving them a job because of their profile as players. My argument about this not being a job for a rookie still applies but were I to consider one it would be someone like Critchley who has been coaching since his mid 20's and had no sort of playing career and has succeeded at every level short of being Head Coach. His is a very similar profile to Steve Cooper prior to his appointment at Swansea.

Hughes is a perfect example why we should just avoid the likes of Terry. Hughes has never been a good coach and he got his start because of his reputation as a former player. He then managed to blunder his way through a series of appointments until finally running out of road at Southampton where his limitations as a coach were so badly exposed that he probably is no longer employable. 

I don't know how Terry will turn out as a Head Coach but there is no way do I want WBA to be part of his journey to either punditry or Stamford Bridge. It is one or the other and neither is of any use to us.   
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 20, 2021, 09:45:51 AM
I thought Wilder's issue at Sheff Utd was that he wanted more control and didn't to work under a DOF. Surely that rules us out then?

I think that was the excuse being used to get him out of the club once the Saudi prince had beaten McCabe to the ownership of the club.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on May 20, 2021, 09:46:29 AM
Hi Liam, would it be possible to reset the poll and add new “Runners and Riders” please?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: tuamigos on May 20, 2021, 09:49:54 AM
Watched Bournemouth many times and the attacking football thing is a bit of a myth, but we could do a lot worse than Howe.

From memory when they came here his Bournemouth team spent more time performing amateur dramatics infront of the referee than playing football.
OK so his team gave a few of the big boys bloody noses once in a while, but so have we.
Not sure who I'd like to be honest, I'd just like to get out of this never ending circle of panic hire and fire that we seem to be in at the moment.
Surely Sam must have told the board a few weeks a go what his intentions were.
Any normal board would, surely, have started compiling a short list then ready to make approaches at the end of the season?
If Howe was to be appointed at Celtic I would have thought there would have been a little more released about that for the amount of time it's been alleged.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: tambag on May 20, 2021, 09:58:18 AM
No to Wilder for me, don't want someone who plays pragmatic/defensive football. I would prefer someone like Steve Cooper, someone who is a very good coach and plays a good style of football. If he isn't available I would like someone in his style so Appleton would then come into the equation.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: NJS on May 20, 2021, 09:58:57 AM
Unsuitable: Tomas Frank mentioned above: Brentford management is is a whole package more than just a head coach.  It's managed on entirely different lines to us.  There is concentration on statistics, sleep/diet consultants, no academy, modern methods.

Unsuitable: John Terry has the fortunate experience of being at clubs with huge dollops of cash to spend that is also quite different to the Albion environment.  Yeah "JT's Albion" can't you just see it in the Lahndon press?.

We're not a rich club and we can't buy our way into the EPL or into staying there.  We  need to reset and learn how to exploit our academy more effectively.  We need a manager that can get the best out of a squad that has fewer star players than other clubs.

This reset and restructure might take more than two seasons, there is a need for patience. 

(As an aside. I wonder if Hodgson would be a good DoF?  He has contacts here and abroad and can maybe identify a promising young manager)

Aside from that my picks would be Cook, Howe, Warburton and Evatt - those used to scant or even exiguous resources.



Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 20, 2021, 10:00:23 AM
Hi Liam, would it be possible to reset the poll and add new “Runners and Riders” please?

Yep - I'll amend the poll and reset the runners and riders shortly

I'll base the candidates on the current bookies odds  :D
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on May 20, 2021, 10:01:12 AM

Some other names being mentioned that are interesting, I think we should consider Valérien Ismaël and Slaviša Jokanović, personally
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on May 20, 2021, 10:01:55 AM
Yep - I'll amend the poll and reset the runners and riders shortly

I'll base the candidates on the current bookies odds  :D

Many thanks Liam 👍
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: NJS on May 20, 2021, 10:02:49 AM
Breaking it down for you. Maresca and Critchley (the bloke at Blackpool) are entirely different to Terry. Nobody is giving them a job because of their profile as players. My argument about this not being a job for a rookie still applies but were I to consider one it would be someone like Critchley who has been coaching since his mid 20's and had no sort of playing career and has succeeded at every level short of being Head Coach. His is a very similar profile to Steve Cooper prior to his appointment at Swansea.

Hughes is a perfect example why we should just avoid the likes of Terry. Hughes has never been a good coach and he got his start because of his reputation as a former player. He then managed to blunder his way through a series of appointments until finally running out of road at Southampton where his limitations as a coach were so badly exposed that he probably is no longer employable. 

I don't know how Terry will turn out as a Head Coach but there is no way do I want WBA to be part of his journey to either punditry or Stamford Bridge. It is one or the other and neither is of any use to us.

Agree with this.   Critchley's Blackpool certainly outplayed us in the cup.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: seteefeet on May 20, 2021, 10:06:46 AM
How has Mark Hughes got 2 votes??? ???
Maybe as an alternative, up top, to Kanu, but manager, you gotta be kidding. ::)
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on May 20, 2021, 10:17:36 AM
Unsuitable: Tomas Frank mentioned above: Brentford management is is a whole package more than just a head coach.  It's managed on entirely different lines to us.  There is concentration on statistics, sleep/diet consultants, no academy, modern methods.

Unsuitable: John Terry has the fortunate experience of being at clubs with huge dollops of cash to spend that is also quite different to the Albion environment.  Yeah "JT's Albion" can't you just see it in the Lahndon press?.

We're not a rich club and we can't buy our way into the EPL or into staying there.  We  need to reset and learn how to exploit our academy more effectively.  We need a manager that can get the best out of a squad that has fewer star players than other clubs.

This reset and restructure might take more than two seasons, there is a need for patience. 

(As an aside. I wonder if Hodgson would be a good DoF?  He has contacts here and abroad and can maybe identify a promising young manager)

Aside from that my picks would be Cook, Howe, Warburton and Evatt - those used to scant or even exiguous resources.

Well thats me told - what was I thinking.....?

Actually your follow up paragraph is exactly the reasons why we should consider him.

Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 20, 2021, 10:29:06 AM
appoint Wilder and we are going backwards. definitely not for me
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: mrmojorisin on May 20, 2021, 10:33:38 AM
ABW! Anyone But Wilder. Burke v Robinson? Buff said
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: mrmojorisin on May 20, 2021, 10:35:14 AM
Should be 'Nuff. Bloody autocorrect.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: NJS on May 20, 2021, 10:39:52 AM
Well thats me told - what was I thinking.....?

Actually your follow up paragraph is exactly the reasons why we should consider him.

You may be right re Frank but we would need the entire package not just a change of manager
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: MarkW on May 20, 2021, 10:40:47 AM
Should be 'Nuff. Bloody autocorrect.

You can edit your own posts, fyi
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on May 20, 2021, 10:45:52 AM
You may be right re Frank but we would need the entire package not just a change of manager

I agree, especially his scouts....

That's what we need here NJS, fresh thinking. Seeing names like Howe, Terry, Wilder and others on here makes me want to cry to be honest.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 20, 2021, 10:54:03 AM
I don't know how Terry will turn out as a Head Coach but there is no way do I want WBA to be part of his journey to either punditry or Stamford Bridge. It is one or the other and neither is of any use to us.
The same would be true of Lampard of course. We need someone whom, if successful, would be willing to stick around and not be eyeing moving to a bigger club after a couple of seasons as soon as he arrives.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 20, 2021, 11:10:14 AM
Darren Moore?
A bit more experience under his belt.
His desire belongs to the Baggies. He could generate that "go for it" feeling in the dressing room.
He had no chance with the signings left to him last time.
Start afresh and build a new team who are young and eager.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: bangkokbaggie on May 20, 2021, 11:15:13 AM
 I would prefer that we were linked to some overseas based potential candidates with fresh ideas and a modern approach. I find very little in the list of options to choose that inspire me.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on May 20, 2021, 11:21:52 AM
Whoever we get will have to be

A. Cheap
B. Prepared to accept signings he may not want
C. Have a 'get out' clause to save us from paying compensation from current club
D. Like seeing his best players leave
E. Work with a lack of appropriate investment
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on May 20, 2021, 11:24:23 AM
Just putting this out there for comment. My friend in Portugal made this recommendation. I've never heard of him, nor have I investigated his claims. I'd like to try something different, I was disappointed the Bilic experiment didn't work out, but I have little confidence in this board that would have difficulty in picking its nose. We all know it'll be Wilder, Hodgson or an ex player like Appleton or McInnes. Cheap is the key word. Anyway what do you think of the recommendation?
Can let you have a great young guy another Portuguese , Rubin Amorim , young , mature , from Sporting ,Lisbon , 2nd season won the championship beating Benfica and Porto , believes in young talent , Sporting last won the championship 19 yrs ago.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on May 20, 2021, 11:25:54 AM
Just putting this out there for comment. My friend in Portugal made this recommendation. I've never heard of him, nor have I investigated his claims. I'd like to try something different, I was disappointed the Bilic experiment didn't work out, but I have little confidence in this board that would have difficulty in picking its nose. We all know it'll be Wilder, Hodgson or an ex player like Appleton or McInnes. Cheap is the key word. Anyway what do you think of the recommendation?
Can let you have a great young guy another Portuguese , Rubin Amorim , young , mature , from Sporting ,Lisbon , 2nd season won the championship beating Benfica and Porto , believes in young talent , Sporting last won the championship 19 yrs ago.

His CV is far too good for us :)
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on May 20, 2021, 11:26:03 AM
Darren Moore?
A bit more experience under his belt.
His desire belongs to the Baggies. He could generate that "go for it" feeling in the dressing room.
He had no chance with the signings left to him last time.
Start afresh and build a new team who are young and eager.

I think his time has passed DB, I am not sure he would command the same respect from the dressing room now given the churn of players. A great defender and friend of the club. Personally I would not want it because inevitably at some stage he is likely to be shown the door.....again.

A bit like taking your dog to the vets for the last time.

We need to look forward with fresh thinking.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: seteefeet on May 20, 2021, 11:28:09 AM
Whoever we get will have to be

A. Cheap
B. Prepared to accept signings he may not want
C. Have a 'get out' clause to save us from paying compensation from current club
D. Like seeing his best players leave
E. Work with a lack of appropriate investment
Says who?

I can't imagine many of those applied to Allardyce.

Nor did they apply to Bilic when he was appointed

Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 20, 2021, 11:38:28 AM
The same would be true of Lampard of course. We need someone whom, if successful, would be willing to stick around and not be eyeing moving to a bigger club after a couple of seasons as soon as he arrives.

Loyalty is earned and our board is too trigger happy to deserve any, so we have be realistic.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 20, 2021, 11:40:17 AM
Just putting this out there for comment. My friend in Portugal made this recommendation. I've never heard of him, nor have I investigated his claims. I'd like to try something different, I was disappointed the Bilic experiment didn't work out, but I have little confidence in this board that would have difficulty in picking its nose. We all know it'll be Wilder, Hodgson or an ex player like Appleton or McInnes. Cheap is the key word. Anyway what do you think of the recommendation?
Can let you have a great young guy another Portuguese , Rubin Amorim , young , mature , from Sporting ,Lisbon , 2nd season won the championship beating Benfica and Porto , believes in young talent , Sporting last won the championship 19 yrs ago.

Sounds great but why would he want to leave Sporting Lisbon to manager Albion in the championship? Also, always a massive risk appointing a manager with no experience of English football.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on May 20, 2021, 11:40:51 AM
Says who?

I can't imagine many of those applied to Allardyce.

Nor did they apply to Bilic when he was appointed

Do you think Bilic wanted Kipre??
Do you think we made enough investment last year??
We generally look for managers out of work to save on compensation
Allardyce would have been in a strong position when we went begging, the new boss wont be in such a strong position to dictate, unless he is a big name,
which I doubt.
Theres no way we will see SJ & MP playing in the chump
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: smethwickw on May 20, 2021, 11:41:08 AM
Any manager or player that comes here and is successful is going to leave us for better things. We just have to appreciate our position in the food chain and enjoy any good moments we have.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: colinmax on May 20, 2021, 11:49:00 AM
Basically non of us know who would do a good job so you need due diligence and a man whose teams are competitive but play in a stylish manner
Personally I would look at Paul Cook who handled himself and Wigan so well
Michael Appleton who on the surface seems a decent manager and Ryan Lowe who got Bury promoted and when they went bust he moved to the opposite end of the country and got Plymouth promoted and see if they met the above criteria
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: johnny Cash on May 20, 2021, 11:51:43 AM

We're not a rich club and we can't buy our way into the EPL or into staying there.  We  need to reset and learn how to exploit our academy more effectively.  We need a manager that can get the best out of a squad that has fewer star players than other clubs.



I dont entirely agree with this. We can't spend our way to staying there, but we have  started every championship season with a financial advantage over other teams every year since Megson first got us promoted.

On another note i've seen some suggestion of the Barnsley manager and I like the sound of him too. If you look at the table and what hes done with Barnsley it looks great. However the more i've seen and read about the style I'm not sure longer term. It will be interesting to see his career play out and if it works.

If he only has that one style my fear would be his teams would get battered in the prem unless he had the best players. I also think teams in the championship will learn to combat it better next season if they dont win the play offs.


Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Baltic on May 20, 2021, 12:03:16 PM
It's a gamble, but its always a gamble! I too like what Valerien Ismael has achieved this season.  He now has good current knowledge of how to win games in the Championship.

I think he would ensure fitness and high press football.  If you add the superior budget/attacking options that we have, it might just be a successful combination.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 20, 2021, 12:05:00 PM
It's a gamble, but its always a gamble! I too like what Valerien Ismael has achieved this season.  He now has good current knowledge of how to win games in the Championship. I think he would ensure fitness and high press football.  If you add the superior budget/attacking options that we have, it might just be a successful combination.

Good shout IMV.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: tambag on May 20, 2021, 12:06:34 PM
His CV is far too good for us :)

On 4 March 2021, Amorim renewed his contract for one more year, with an improved release clause of €30 million.[40] On 11 May, following a 1–0 home win against Boavista, he led the team to their first national championship in 19 years.[41]

Not a chance with that release clause !
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: lewisant on May 20, 2021, 12:34:10 PM
Lots of articles about Lampard surfacing right now, seems to have emanated from Rob Dorsett.

Radio 5 now discussing us.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: timdon on May 20, 2021, 12:36:49 PM
I completely agree with Allardyce's comment that we need to appoint a young and ambitious manager and give him some time to build a new side. At this point in time I don't have a stand out preference, though any of the "old guard" would clearly be a negative step. Of the candidates mentioned, I dislike John Terry probably even more than I disliked Allardyce (so it will probably be him haha). Similar to Wayne Rooney, I just don't see him as becoming a good manager. Otherwise, happy to watch developments and try to keep an open(ish) mind.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: seteefeet on May 20, 2021, 12:38:42 PM
Do you think Bilic wanted Kipre??
Do you think we made enough investment last year??
We generally look for managers out of work to save on compensation
Allardyce would have been in a strong position when we went begging, the new boss wont be in such a strong position to dictate, unless he is a big name,
which I doubt.
Theres no way we will see SJ & MP playing in the chump
Do you think Bilic wanted Kipre??
: Maybe not but he did want Grant and I know which was the bigger expenditure and risk.

Do you think we made enough investment last year??
: There is a difference between lack of funds and lack of investment. We actually overspent against the budget. Of course it wasn't enough but double or treble it probably wouldn't have been enough. If we had done that, and still gone down, then I would be genuinely concerned for our future

We generally look for managers out of work to save on compensation
: That makes good financial sense surely. I would imagine, at any given time, there are more managers out of work than in and, of those in work, only a tiny percentage would be operating with any degree of success, so compensation for them would be rightly very high..

Allardyce would have been in a strong position when we went begging, the new boss wont be in such a strong position to dictate, unless he is a big name,
which I doubt.

: This is contradictory. You say we won't go for a big name yet admit that our last appointment was, not only a big name, but a big name in a very strong bargaining position.

Theres no way we will see SJ & MP playing in the chump
: Johnstone's contract situation, plus his frailties, mean it is the optimum time to sell, again, good business sense. As for Pereira, he is too good for the Championship and will likely want and deserves to play at the highest level. No club in our position would be able to keep him if he wanted to leave.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: KN22 on May 20, 2021, 01:07:48 PM
I would like to see Eddie Howe but doubt we will. I wouldn't mind Lampard at all either. Terry would be a gamble but it may work out. After all he is a natural leader as demonstrated many times in his playing days. Jokanovic would be another on my list.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 20, 2021, 01:11:38 PM
"Rob Dorsett
@RobDorsettSky
Chris Wilder and Frank Lampard top of #wbafc list to talk to, after Allardyce departure. Lampard more likely for #cpfc. Albion focussing on out of work managers, coz any compensation paid will come out of player/transfer budget for next season."


So even our new boss has to be a free transfer. Sounds like Wilder is favourite.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on May 20, 2021, 01:24:49 PM
Have to think Lampard is high up on Palace's list currently.

However the upside to him if he were to come in to contention is we would get at least 3 decent loans from Chelsea next season much like Derby did in his season with them.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: P Anderson on May 20, 2021, 01:25:30 PM
We need to stop looking at out of work managers imo,they are generally out of work for a good reason, also it narrows down our search considerably. Eddie Howe should be getting a call, with a very good offer, before Celtic get in there. Barring that the list is awful.
Are we not big enough to pay for a good manager? There are some good up and coming mangers in the lower leagues ie Barnsley’s or Brentford’s or even lower Lincoln’s
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: wbasoprano on May 20, 2021, 01:28:02 PM
Rafa Benitez is out of work, get him down there now
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: tambag on May 20, 2021, 01:32:25 PM
Rafa Benitez is out of work, get him down there now

That would the best mangerial signing in years but unfortunatley cannot see it happening.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: BB74 on May 20, 2021, 01:35:03 PM
We need to stop looking at out of work managers imo,they are generally out of work for a good reason, also it narrows down our search considerably. Eddie Howe should be getting a call, with a very good offer, before Celtic get in there. Barring that the list is awful.
Are we not big enough to pay for a good manager? There are some good up and coming mangers in the lower leagues ie Barnsley’s or Brentford’s or even lower Lincoln’s

Howe is all but Celtic Manager, it's a done deal. The reason it is not being declared is because:

 1) Howe is on garden leave and if Bournemouth go up he is entitled to a promotion bonus.

2) As Howe is on garden leave Celtic will need to pay a release fee until after the season ends at which point Howe becomes a free agent.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SirTonyM on May 20, 2021, 01:43:43 PM
"Rob Dorsett
@RobDorsettSky
Chris Wilder and Frank Lampard top of #wbafc list to talk to, after Allardyce departure. Lampard more likely for #cpfc. Albion focussing on out of work managers, coz any compensation paid will come out of player/transfer budget for next season."


So even our new boss has to be a free transfer. Sounds like Wilder is favourite.

Why not loan a manager for a season, that’s more Dowlings style  :D
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 20, 2021, 01:52:23 PM
Why not loan a manager for a season, that’s more Dowlings style  :D

I'm surrprised they are offering more than 12 month contracts to anyone. They are a shambles.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: seteefeet on May 20, 2021, 01:57:51 PM
We need to stop looking at out of work managers imo,they are generally out of work for a good reason, also it narrows down our search considerably. Eddie Howe should be getting a call, with a very good offer, before Celtic get in there. Barring that the list is awful.
Are we not big enough to pay for a good manager? There are some good up and coming mangers in the lower leagues ie Barnsley’s or Brentford’s or even lower Lincoln’s
Who else though? 2 of those are still in with a chance of being in the Prem next year.
Most other managers, who are in work, would either be uninterested or of no interest. The pool of out of work managers is far greater and varied and doesn't involve compensation.


Don't get me wrong, if we decide on somebody, who is employed, then we should go for it, but, to have a go at the club for what is a very pragmatic and sensible approach is mad, imo. Especially when your first suggestion is, in fact, out of work.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 20, 2021, 01:59:06 PM
The poll has been updated following Allardyce's departure

I have used the Sky Bets odds to determine the poll options.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TLMS17 on May 20, 2021, 01:59:40 PM
Frank Lampard has reportedly pulled out of the race to become the manager of Crystal Palace.

It is said that he regards it is a huge rebuilding job and fears they will get sucked into a relegation battle next season.

[Via Football Insider]

May as well rule him out for us then  ;D
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 20, 2021, 02:01:13 PM
"Rob Dorsett
@RobDorsettSky
Chris Wilder and Frank Lampard top of #wbafc list to talk to, after Allardyce departure. Lampard more likely for #cpfc. Albion focussing on out of work managers, coz any compensation paid will come out of player/transfer budget for next season."


So even our new boss has to be a free transfer. Sounds like Wilder is favourite.

Not all surprised by this - its why I reckon Alex Neil has to be in with a shout given the interest in him previously and the fact he is currently out of work. I don't see him rocking the boat like Wilder might.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: dangerman on May 20, 2021, 02:04:16 PM
The list of names is really depressing, isn't it?

I would rather a younger manager with something to prove rather than an older type manager.

I think Terry would be worse than Irvine and Pardew put together.

We're really reducing the options if we go for someone out of work.

Logically it'll be someone like Wilder, and I would be disappointed if that were the case.

I think next season may be the season that we struggle and I could see us bouncing around the championship for a few years (unless they can pull a rabbit out of the hat).
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: EastYorksAlbion on May 20, 2021, 02:11:25 PM
Lampard has pulled out of the running for the Palace job ......
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 20, 2021, 02:15:25 PM
It's time we tried something different, so I've voted for Valérien Ismaëlm although I could just as easily have gone for Steve Cooper. The club really has lost the plot if it's only going to consider unemployed managers - they shouldn't be tying one arm behind their back in that way given where we're at.

The level of compensation for managers are very small compared to player fees, so it wouldn't make much of a dent in our transfer budget, particularly with Pereira being almost certain to leave. Also, someone like Ismaël may well have some kind of clause in their contract which would allow him to leave with less compensation than might otherwise be the case.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on May 20, 2021, 02:15:39 PM
We spend millions and millions on players and yet wont pay compensation for what is the most important role at any club, madness imo
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Dexy on May 20, 2021, 02:19:31 PM
It's time we tried something different, so I've voted for Valérien Ismaël. The club really has lost the plot if it's only going to consider unemployed managers - they shouldn't be tying one arm behind their back in that way given where we're at.

The level of compensation for managers are very small compared to player fees, so it wouldn't make much of a dent in our transfer budget, particularly with Pereira being almost certain to leave. Also, someone like Ismaël may well have some kind of clause in their contract which would allow him to leave with less compensation than might otherwise be the case.
Moore , Bilic , Allardyce all free .
You can chuck in Shan to that too , our owners have no intention paying for what they can find for free .
They don't understand football and it shows .
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on May 20, 2021, 02:21:08 PM
I voted Valérien Ismaël, it's a lottery now and he has done well at Barnsley. But he might snub us as he could yet be manging in the Premier League next season
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 20, 2021, 02:22:53 PM
We spend millions and millions on players and yet wont pay compensation for what is the most important role at any club, madness imo
Moore , Bilic , Allardyce all free .
You can chuck in Shan to that too , our owners have no intention paying for what they can find for free .
They don't understand football and it shows .
I feel a rare, almost board-wide consensus coming on!  ;D
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 20, 2021, 02:32:33 PM
Not all surprised by this - its why I reckon Alex Neil has to be in with a shout given the interest in him previously and the fact he is currently out of work. I don't see him rocking the boat like Wilder might.

Rocking the boat in what way? He will let Dowling sign who he wants? We could be in big trouble here.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Standaman on May 20, 2021, 02:36:08 PM
In general I hate the idea of paying compensation for a manager. There is nearly always good options available without it because clubs discard coaches too quickly and for often spurious reasons. Paying money for coach absolutely does not make them a better option than not paying for them.

This might be one of the very rare occasions were there aren't quite the field you would want to pick from. My favoured choices (Appleton, Evatt and Robins)  are all under contract but given the clubs they are at and the length of their contracts the compensation would be relatively modest.

There are clear issues with virtually all the more obvious available candidates

Wilder, tactical fit and appalling record in the transfer market.
Howe huge question mark whether he is strictly speaking available because he might very well be committed to Celtic
Lampard vastly over rated did not do well at Chelsea and probably underachieved at Derby although they have cratered since he left
Alex Neil Is a very good coach he has worked with some very modest clubs and generally kept them above their natural level.

Anybody else is pretty much "For the love of everything holy NO"

 

 
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: BB74 on May 20, 2021, 02:39:05 PM
I can't decide so I have gone down the old romantic route of Maresca. Although I am warming to the idea of John Terry.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Atomic on May 20, 2021, 02:47:22 PM
I havent seen Barnsley play recently but according to Lepkowski Barnsley play like a Pulis team.

I have no strong opinion on the next manager, I'm not exactly sure what the club are looking for for one thing.

Wilder has an excellent CV other than last season, I wouldnt complain if he got the job.

Lampard has a bit of experience now and our job might just suit him, drop down a level to hopefully move back up again. Young, ambitious, good connections, a name who will attract players. I wouldnt complain if he got the job either.

Those two would be top of my list at the moment. There are other options I'd be open to.

The likes of Alex Neil, Mark Hughes no.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Dan on May 20, 2021, 02:52:38 PM
It's a very limited list, Wilder on paper is by far the most qualified but he's a hard character to warm to and there are certain alarm bells around him from this season. Paul Lambert got Norwich from league one to the premier league and finished mid-table with them also, and he's not done anything since, I got similar vibes from Wilder.

From that list Cooper is the most interesting. He's done a much better job than Potter did at Swansea despite a weaker squad. Seems to have a good eye for young players, good connections, plays a decent style and actually seems to develop players.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: EastYorksAlbion on May 20, 2021, 02:52:54 PM
Enzo or Lampard for me.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 20, 2021, 02:55:09 PM
Just realised Aidy Boothroyd is available.  :(
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 20, 2021, 03:02:00 PM
Just realised Aidy Boithroyd is available.  :(

That would be me done with the Albion for a couple of seasons I'm afraid
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: BB74 on May 20, 2021, 03:08:03 PM
Is John Terry's brother still Loan Manager at Albion?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: chippyclarke on May 20, 2021, 03:11:00 PM
I voted Valérien Ismaël, it's a lottery now and he has done well at Barnsley. But he might snub us as he could yet be manging in the Premier League next season
Having watched Barnsley v Swansea the other night, I can't think of anything worse than Barnsley's style of play - they were awful and looked like a Sunday pub team!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: johnny Cash on May 20, 2021, 03:11:31 PM
If it is true Lampard has pulled out of the running the Palace job I’m not sure where he goes from there other than back to the studio. He’s not getting a job any higher up the pyramid.

I didnt particularly like the idea of Maresca and i still don’t think it will happen but at least he’s someone I could get behind. Terry, Appleton, Boothroyd are all depressing thoughts!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: dangerman on May 20, 2021, 03:17:33 PM
If Maresca/McInnes/Appleton hadn't played for us, would I be happy with their names being mentioned? Probably not.

Which is why we need as a club to start thinking outside the box a little.

What about a cheeky offer for Nuno? Wolves fans want him out?  :P
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Baggies on May 20, 2021, 03:36:31 PM
If it is true Lampard has pulled out of the running the Palace job I’m not sure where he goes from there other than back to the studio. He’s not getting a job any higher up the pyramid.

I didnt particularly like the idea of Maresca and i still don’t think it will happen but at least he’s someone I could get behind. Terry, Appleton, Boothroyd are all depressing thoughts!

I think Lampard would be open to a club in the bottom half of the prem, but that Palace job is a poisoned chalice. They have half their squad out of contract and their best player is out injured for the best part of a year.

It needs a lot of investment and if I was in Lampard’s very fortunate position, I wouldn’t go near Palace either.

Hopefully Wilder goes there.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: wbasoprano on May 20, 2021, 03:40:14 PM
If Maresca/McInnes/Appleton hadn't played for us, would I be happy with their names being mentioned? Probably not.

Which is why we need as a club to start thinking outside the box a little.

What about a cheeky offer for Nuno? Wolves fans want him out?  :P

Maresca I would, the other two I've never been interested in.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 20, 2021, 03:50:01 PM
Haven't been able to bring myself to make a selection from that poll as yet.  :'(
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 20, 2021, 03:50:43 PM
Rocking the boat in what way? He will let Dowling sign who he wants? We could be in big trouble here.

Not so much that but Neil is used to working on shoe strings budgets from his time at Preston and therefore maximising the most of his resources.

I don't see him coming here and being so openly outspoken as Wilder *may* do.

Wilder is a canny media operator and he used that to his advantage knowing he had widespread support amongst the fan base at the Lane.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 20, 2021, 03:51:28 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57185301 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57185301)

Wilder and Appleton.

Casting the net far and wide I see.

Allardyce comments appear to rule out a foreign coach.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: royhan on May 20, 2021, 03:54:55 PM
Just three reasons why I would be against Wilder - Oliver McBurnie, Oliver Burke and Rhian Brewster - all very expensive signings who have failed to justify the faith their manager put in them. We either need big names like John Terry and Frank Lampard who will have good contacts or a young overseas manager with good connections.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 20, 2021, 03:58:02 PM
Not so much that but Neil is used to working on shoe strings budgets from his time at Preston and therefore maximising the most of his resources.

I don't see him coming here and being so openly outspoken as Wilder *may* do.

Wilder is a canny media operator and he used that to his advantage knowing he had widespread support amongst the fan base at the Lane.


Fair enough but we need someone whos going to tell Dowling how things are.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on May 20, 2021, 03:59:03 PM
If we can hang fire on making an appointment for another couple of weeks, Dean Smith might be available  :o
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 20, 2021, 03:59:40 PM

Fair enough but we need someone whos going to tell Dowling how things are.

I don't think you'll be getting your wish.

That needs to come from above Dowling - not beneath him.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: hardtobeat on May 20, 2021, 04:04:45 PM
Is John Terry's brother still Loan Manager at Albion?
Didn’t he get done for betting or some other gambling to do with matches ?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Baggies on May 20, 2021, 04:06:43 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57185301 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57185301)

Wilder and Appleton.

Casting the net far and wide I see.

Allardyce comments appear to rule out a foreign coach.


Allardyce comments
Dowling being Dowling appears to rule out a foreign coach.

Meat and two veg please
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 20, 2021, 04:09:21 PM
I don't think you'll be getting your wish.

That needs to come from above Dowling - not beneath him.

I should rephrase that. Dowling listened to Sam, we need someone who is going to tell Dowling what is needed and what isnt.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 20, 2021, 04:14:26 PM
Haven't been able to bring myself to make a selection from that poll as yet.  :'(
Well it's lacking in ancient, regressive dinosaurs, so I can understand how you might be struggling to find anyone on it who floats your boat!  :D
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggiemart on May 20, 2021, 04:14:56 PM
One manager missing is Nigel Pearson.

Could do a good job for us but I think he tells his bosses the way it is and a lot of people in life both in football clubs and other businesses don't like people like that. They like people to do as they are told and tow the line.

Sometimes you need that little bit of rebel to get things done. But because of that I don't think he will get it.

As much as I hate to say it, I think it will be John Terry.  Who if he does well will leave us as soon as a bigger club comes in.

Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 20, 2021, 04:15:39 PM
I do love Nigel Pearson. Good manager. Brought Watford back from a point of no return when he had no right too really.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 20, 2021, 04:16:28 PM
Well it's lacking in ancient, regressive dinosaurs, so I can understand how you might be struggling to find anyone on it who floats your boat!  :D

My favourite Albion manager remains Tony Mowbray... in the past I've just been able to see what was needed at the time.  ;)
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 20, 2021, 04:19:22 PM
Pearson is only a recent hire at Bristol City?

*checked*

Yeah February on a 3 year contract. Won't be considered.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: smethwickw on May 20, 2021, 04:23:25 PM
Just three reasons why I would be against Wilder - Oliver McBurnie, Oliver Burke and Rhian Brewster - all very expensive signings who have failed to justify the faith their manager put in them. We either need big names like John Terry and Frank Lampard who will have good contacts or a young overseas manager with good connections.

Wilder has done well in the past when on a budget. However once he had more money to sped he seemed to blow it on rubbish. Luckily he wouldn't get that opportunity here.  :D
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: miggybaggy on May 20, 2021, 04:23:36 PM
The Baggies are now a basket case. What a poison chalice this job is. Who in their right mind would take us on?

Anyway, I voted for Maresca....but only because he was an absolute star. Hardly logical though is it?

I remain a very worried Baggie.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SirTonyM on May 20, 2021, 04:23:46 PM
My favourite Albion manager remains Tony Mowbray... in the past I've just been able to see what was needed at the time.  ;)

I would love some “soft feet” back around the Hawthorns again :)
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: johnny Cash on May 20, 2021, 04:23:49 PM
Its been said before he work permit rules now make a foreign coach quite challenging, so it was always likely to be a domestic coach. Not that I think Dowling would have gone foreign anyway.

Since last nights announcement the smart money has always been Wilder or Appleton. I'd be amazed if it wasn't either of those so those who are hoping for some inspiration are probably going to be disappointed.

In terms of Wilder. I don't really want him but think some of the criticism on signings is a little harsh It is too early to write Brewster off. He wasnt where they needed to spend, but his past championship record is outstanding and hes very young. He could hit 25 next year. 

He also got money plus Burke for Robinson, and I can see why he may have thought that worth a gamble. His problem wasnt spending on Burke in that respect, it was spending on Robinson.   
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SirTonyM on May 20, 2021, 04:26:03 PM
The Baggies are now a basket case. What a poison chalice this job is. Who in their right mind would take us on?

Anyway, I voted for Maresca....but only because he was an absolute star. Hardly logical though is it?

I remain a very worried Baggie.

Personally I don’t think we are a basket case. We have issues but all the relegated clubs do.  We are in a Similar position to when we came down under Moore and we needing rebuilding under Slav. It’s a good opportunity for someone in my humble opinion.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 20, 2021, 04:29:17 PM
Personally I don’t think we are a basket case. We have issues but all the relegated clubs do.  We are in a Similar position to when we came down under Moore and we needing rebuilding under Slav. It’s a good opportunity for someone in my humble opinion.

I'm not sure about that appraisal. Under Moore we were able to keep the nucleus of the PL squad. This is a total rebuild requiring (based on our last Championship season) 6 or 7 first team players.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: NJS on May 20, 2021, 04:32:49 PM
Paul Cook gets my vote.  Did brilliantly at Wigan with everything collapsing around him so should be quite comfortable at the Hawthorns.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 20, 2021, 04:32:54 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57185301 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57185301)

Wilder and Appleton.

Casting the net far and wide I see.

Allardyce comments appear to rule out a foreign coach.
"With just over 11 weeks to go before the next Championship season starts, club sources say they are committed to making the right appointment rather than a quick one".

This suggests that Dowling alone will be making the decisions regarding the retained list of players  :-X

There's a big rebuilding job to be done with the squad this summer, so the sooner the new incumbent is brought in the better. We can't afford to spend weeks monitoring, ruminating and dithering like we have done in the past.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SirTonyM on May 20, 2021, 04:33:37 PM
I'm not sure about that appraisal. Under Moore we were able to keep the nucleus of the PL squad. This is a total rebuild requiring (based on our last Championship season) 6 or 7 first team players.

That's a fair point but I wouldn't say we are a basket case for the right manager. Moore did loan a lot of players Harvey Barnes, Jacob Murphy, Johansen, Holgate...We also lost Foster, Jimmy M, Johny Evans who were big players for us.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 20, 2021, 04:33:49 PM
Paul Cook gets my vote.  Did brilliantly at Wigan with everything collapsing around him so should be quite comfortable at the Hawthorns.
Yes I certainly wouldn't be averse to him coming in.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: smethwickw on May 20, 2021, 04:36:14 PM
I'm not sure about that appraisal. Under Moore we were able to keep the nucleus of the PL squad. This is a total rebuild requiring (based on our last Championship season) 6 or 7 first team players.

I don't feel that we are any worse off now than when Slav joined us 2 years ago. We had to bring in a similar number of first team players back then too. You'd like to think that a season in the Prem would see an improvement in some of our players at a lower level.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SirTonyM on May 20, 2021, 04:37:05 PM
Just three reasons why I would be against Wilder - Oliver McBurnie, Oliver Burke and Rhian Brewster - all very expensive signings who have failed to justify the faith their manager put in them. We either need big names like John Terry and Frank Lampard who will have good contacts or a young overseas manager with good connections.

I think thats in hindsight though. McBurnie got 22 in 42 in the champ before being signed, Brewster got 10 in 20 for Swansea and had nearly a goal a game at England and Liverpool youth level (so highly rated at liverpool).
Lampard spent on Havertz, Ziyech and Werner and couldn't get the best out of them.Also him not trusting pulisic was a mystery.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: boinging_along on May 20, 2021, 04:44:51 PM
I don't feel that we are any worse off now than when Slav joined us 2 years ago. We had to bring in a similar number of first team players back then too. You'd like to think that a season in the Prem would see an improvement in some of our players at a lower level.

The danger is we rely on loans again.  They're great as a short term fix but as we've seen, if they get you promoted you've got to do a lot of buying just to still have the same squad as that went up.  Let alone add the Prem quality you need.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Albionic on May 20, 2021, 04:49:59 PM
The more i think about it my preferences are,

1. Steve Clarke, sort it before Jocks win the Euros and we are priced out :-)
2. Roy as DoF with either Hasselbaink / Maresca as head coach,
3. Lampard primarily for his ability to access Chelski resources and his youth development capability

I hadn't really considered Rafa, but if there were anyway it could be done, he would go straight to number 1.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: smethwickw on May 20, 2021, 04:58:14 PM
The danger is we rely on loans again.  They're great as a short term fix but as we've seen, if they get you promoted you've got to do a lot of buying just to still have the same squad as that went up.  Let alone add the Prem quality you need.

That's the trouble. We just seem to kick the can down the road every season. Too many loans and contracts given out to ageing players. Our scouting set up just isn't good enough to be bringing in the players we need.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Dexy on May 20, 2021, 05:13:51 PM
Don't want Wilder , fitness wouldn't be a issue this time but he's a bit grim for me . I wasn't impressed with his sniping at Sheff Utds owner or his hefty spending this Summer and how that turned out . Feels like its too soon for him to get back in .
I'd be interested in Lampard , Chelsea was to big for him at that point .
With what we need , what we can offer ....there's really not a lot out there . Utterly depressing .
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: timdon on May 20, 2021, 05:16:25 PM
The more i think about it my preferences are,

1. Steve Clarke, sort it before Jocks win the Euros and we are priced out :-)
2. Roy as DoF with either Hasselbaink / Maresca as head coach,
3. Lampard primarily for his ability to access Chelski resources and his youth development capability

I hadn't really considered Rafa, but if there were anyway it could be done, he would go straight to number 1.
Think you are probably setting the bar a bit too high. I don't mean in terms of quality or ambition, but in terms of a realistic outcome

Steve Clarke : Apart from the old adage of never go back (which has some merit), as you say, he is about to embark on the Euros with Scotland. He is unlikely to be sacked by Scotland however they do (just getting them there was an achievement), and it would take a bigger club than us to tempt him away
Roy I think will retire and we already have a (kind of) DOF
Lampard, if he won't consider the rebuild at Palace in the Prem, he's unlikely to consider a similar rebuild with us in the Champ
Rafa just not going to happen I'm afraid
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Albionic on May 20, 2021, 05:19:13 PM
Beyond these, I am struggling to get excited about any prospective coach

More importantly we need to sort out the eejit presiding over the whole debacle.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: alex1 on May 20, 2021, 05:23:16 PM
What annoys me is that everyone just concentrates on British based managers. Why?
Ambitious clubs besides the Big 6, such as Southampton,Norwich, Watford, dare I say Wolves are prepared to think outside the box and go for a foreign manager. The foreign managers often bring new tactical ideas, training methods which pay dividends.

And it wouldn't necessarily mean going for ones with just lower division experience.
Managers such as Edin Terzic, Peter Bosz, Ralf Rangnick have all had experience of European competition, and they are available now. Dieter Hecking has been Top 4 in the Bundesliga. The likes of Wilder, Neil, Appleton are a million miles away from that level.   
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Dexy on May 20, 2021, 05:24:43 PM
What annoys me is that everyone just concentrates on British based managers. Why?
Ambitious clubs besides the Big 6, such as Southampton,Norwich, Watford, dare I say Wolves are prepared to think outside the box and go for a foreign manager. The foreign managers often bring new tactical ideas, training methods which pay dividends.

And it wouldn't necessarily mean going for ones with just lower division experience.
Managers such as Edin Terzic, Peter Bosz, Ralf Rangnick have all had experience of European competition, and they are available now. Dieter Hecking has been Top 4 in the Bundesliga. The likes of Wilder, Neil, Appleton are a million miles away from that level.   
Quick answer to the question....Dowling.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: hardtobeat on May 20, 2021, 05:27:47 PM
Quick answer to the question....Dowling.
Another answer Brexit and restriction of freedom of movement have also added to the difficulty
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 20, 2021, 05:28:30 PM
Quick answer to the question....Dowling.
Plus Allardyce judging by his comments on the matter, which will just encourage Dowling to double down on it.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: alex1 on May 20, 2021, 05:30:35 PM
Another answer Brexit and restriction of freedom of movement have also added to the difficulty
That defintely causes an extra complication, but my understanding is that if they have reached a certain level in their domestic competition, or competed internationally, they would qualify. 
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: lewisant on May 20, 2021, 05:32:36 PM
So I have decided to go for Michael Appleton for reasons very similar to what Standaman pointed out about him, Crichley and Evatt.

Looking at his career, Portsmouth, Blackpool and Blackburn were learning curves for him as well as his stints here at various levels and a year as assistant at Leicester.

He's then done well at Oxford and now Lincoln who he could very well be taking to the Play-Off final. So I wouldn't mind Appleton.

I also made me choice with an influence of realism. If it was purely just my choice I'd go Jokanovic or Howe or just somebody young, and exciting with a vision of what to build. But I also worry that Dowling and co don't have a vision or care for long term they just want instant success and they are very much failing at that.

I just want to see a manager properly backed and working in unison with the board. Right hand working with the left.

I would be pleased with Wilder but I have concerns about the way he sets up suiting our existing strengths as a front 3 of Robinson, Diangana and Grant should be how we build because it involves putting resources elsewhere - Central midfield and defence.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on May 20, 2021, 05:38:05 PM
Where did the likes of Thomas Frank, Farke and Ishmael come from? There must be similar options out there, do we have anybody who can spot them is the question! Even the ex Huddersfield guy Wagner was an initial success there!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: alex1 on May 20, 2021, 05:43:05 PM
On Wilder, I have a feeling why Brewster has so far failed at Sheff Utd, is because Wilder's 5-3-2 formation didn't give him enough support. If we played 5-3-2 it would probably mean Grant playing as one of the front 2. I can see lots of games waiting to see if we can nick a goal from somewhere, instead of going forward dominating the midfield as a team.
On John Terry, even if he turned out to be a decent coach, and there's absolutely no evidence for that, I just don't think his character and background sit easily with the values and culture of this club.
 
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: hardtobeat on May 20, 2021, 05:45:24 PM
Where did the likes of Thomas Frank, Farke and Ishmael come from? There must be similar options out there, do we have anybody who can spot them is the question! Even the ex Huddersfield guy Wagner was an initial success there!
Not sure too many of those would have been allowed to work here without much wrangling due to the changes in employment law , which I think now means in its basic form that foreign coaches must have been head coaches/managers in their top division and we can’t just for example go and appoint second in command at Bayern etc even if we wanted to
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: alex1 on May 20, 2021, 05:52:00 PM
Not sure too many of those would have been allowed to work here without much wrangling due to the changes in employment law , which I think now means in its basic form that foreign coaches must have been head coaches/managers in their top division and we can’t just for example go and appoint second in command at Bayern etc even if we wanted to
Defintely more complicated now, but of the names I mentioned, Terzic, Rangnick, Hecking, Bosz, Rosler, all have managed in the top division. Terzic and Bosz have got through to the latter stages of the Champions League. 
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: mulliganstired on May 20, 2021, 05:54:48 PM
My worry about Wilder is that his success at Sheff U could just have been a one-off.  That squad, that time and place, flew under the radar for a while, got them up but failed the "second season" test. 
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: boinging_along on May 20, 2021, 05:57:18 PM
Whoever we get we should be planning for long term.  If that means a promotion and relegation so be it.  Be confident your long term plan will work rather than pull the trigger and bring in Steve Bruce or something.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Dexy on May 20, 2021, 05:57:25 PM
Plus Allardyce judging by his comments on the matter, which will just encourage Dowling to double down on it.
If its not British especially Wilder or Appleton I'd be stunned . No issue listening to Allardyce having had this squad but I'd hope Dowling won't bank everything on his words .
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: kirk on May 20, 2021, 05:58:06 PM
Gareth Ainsworth ? Done wonders at Wycombe ?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 20, 2021, 05:58:53 PM
Defintely more complicated now, but of the names I mentioned, Terzic, Rangnick, Hecking, Bosz, Rosler, all have managed in the top division. Terzic and Bosz have got through to the latter stages of the Champions League.

I've no idea why any of those names aside from maybe Rosler who is not very good, would give us a 2nd glance.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Standaman on May 20, 2021, 06:08:54 PM
What annoys me is that everyone just concentrates on British based managers. Why?
Ambitious clubs besides the Big 6, such as Southampton,Norwich, Watford, dare I say Wolves are prepared to think outside the box and go for a foreign manager. The foreign managers often bring new tactical ideas, training methods which pay dividends.

And it wouldn't necessarily mean going for ones with just lower division experience.
Managers such as Edin Terzic, Peter Bosz, Ralf Rangnick have all had experience of European competition, and they are available now. Dieter Hecking has been Top 4 in the Bundesliga. The likes of Wilder, Neil, Appleton are a million miles away from that level.   

I doubt we could attract any of the above as a Premier League club Terzic perhaps, as a Championship club there is less than zero chance they aren't going to manage in a teir 2 league. That said Bilic and Cocu did sign up at Championship clubs but neither are in post two years on so I'm not sure that is a particularly good advertisement for the approach.  Incidentally Dieter Heckling last gig was at Hamburg and he failed to get them out of Bundesliga II which in relative terms is a fairly substantial under achievement.

The overseas manager market is a complete bust for this search thanks in large part to the new work permit regulations



Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SmethDan on May 20, 2021, 06:09:19 PM
Defintely more complicated now, but of the names I mentioned, Terzic, Rangnick, Hecking, Bosz, Rosler, all have managed in the top division. Terzic and Bosz have got through to the latter stages of the Champions League.

I wonder whether any of them thought to commit a list to an envelope they could open at a future date to example a longstanding wish to manage the Albion.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: caravanc58 on May 20, 2021, 06:13:05 PM
Maresca  could be an interesting appointment, you'd think he'd have  learnt a lot from Guardiola and with us needing a big overhaul maybe he could tap into City's academy to bolster the squad. Doubt City would deprive him of the chance so possibly no compensation to pay and work permit shouldn't be an issue.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SmethDan on May 20, 2021, 06:22:40 PM
Gareth Ainsworth ? Done wonders at Wycombe ?

Bar of chocolate which could very well consume itself and ask for seconds. Surprised he doesn't just walk around stripped to the waist given the amount of buttons he leaves open on his shirts. There's something a little off about him. No idea what and I've certainly got no intention of trying to put my finger on it either.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on May 20, 2021, 06:38:49 PM
Whoever we get we should be planning for long term.  If that means a promotion and relegation so be it.  Be confident your long term plan will work rather than pull the trigger and bring in Steve Bruce or something.

Totally agree. Would you have kept Slav on this basis?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on May 20, 2021, 06:45:38 PM
West Brom set to hold talks with Chris Wilder after departure of Sam Allardyce | @JPercyTelegraph reports
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Baggies on May 20, 2021, 06:48:06 PM
I doubt we could attract any of the above as a Premier League club Terzic perhaps, as a Championship club there is less than zero chance they aren't going to manage in a teir 2 league. That said Bilic and Cocu did sign up at Championship clubs but neither are in post two years on so I'm not sure that is a particularly good advertisement for the approach.  Incidentally Dieter Heckling last gig was at Hamburg and he failed to get them out of Bundesliga II which in relative terms is a fairly substantial under achievement.

The overseas manager market is a complete bust for this search thanks in large part to the new work permit regulations

What are the regulations though? We did after all still manage to sign 2 players from abroad in January.

Either way, the FA drawn up rules are so, so, so short sighted. English teams are dominating in Europe and English players are slowly starting to thrive. Why have we tried to force something that didn’t need forcing?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 20, 2021, 06:49:36 PM
West Brom set to hold talks with Chris Wilder after departure of Sam Allardyce | @JPercyTelegraph reports

Yeesh
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: CL3MO on May 20, 2021, 06:50:48 PM
West Brom set to hold talks with Chris Wilder after departure of Sam Allardyce | @JPercyTelegraph reports

Can somebody get beyond the paywall and kindly copy the article in? Pretty please  ;D
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Baggies on May 20, 2021, 06:52:03 PM
West Brom set to hold talks with Chris Wilder after departure of Sam Allardyce | @JPercyTelegraph reports

I wonder how much of a loss we will make on Grant and Diangana then? And goodbye Robinson as well.

Super Luke Dowling
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 20, 2021, 06:58:11 PM
West Bromwich Albion are set to hold talks with Chris Wilder after the departure of Sam Allardyce.

Wilder, the former Sheffield United manager, is high on Albion's list of contenders to replace Allardyce and is believed to have already been approached by the club.

West Brom are preparing for a return to the Championship and Wilder, 53, ticks a lot of boxes for the Albion hierarchy as he has already achieved promotions and is a free agent.

With the club reluctant to pay compensation and damage their budget for this summer, Wilder is emerging as an increasingly attractive option following his exit from Bramall Lane in March this year.

Michael Appleton, the Lincoln manager and a former Albion player and coach, is also highly admired but his £700,000 fee is making him an unrealistic target at this stage.

West Brom's sporting and technical director Luke Dowling will consider other options, including Frank Lampard, despite the former Chelsea manager being in contention for Crystal Palace.

John Terry, the Aston Villa coach, could be another contender, with his brother Paul currently working as West Brom's loans manager.

Allardyce will also be consulted for his thoughts after announcing his decision to step down, minutes after the 3-1 home defeat to West Ham on Wednesday night.

The 66-year-old has suffered his first relegation from the Premier League and is leaving the Hawthorns after less than six months in charge.

Allardyce takes his final game in charge of the club at Leeds on Sunday afternoon.

On West Brom's search for a successor, he said: "You've got to look at what success they have had, whether that's in a lower division or in the Premier League itself.

"I still think it's risky sometimes taking a foreign manager at this level to get a club up in his first year unless it's a foreign manager already here.

"It's only one in three clubs that go up on average in the first year, so it may take a bit longer. That's why I've suggested it's not for me, because I'm not long-term any more."
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 20, 2021, 06:59:23 PM
I'd rather pay the 700k and have Appleton but you do you Dowling
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggies_24 on May 20, 2021, 07:11:02 PM
I wonder how much of a loss we will make on Grant and Diangana then? And goodbye Robinson as well.

Super Luke Dowling

The only one who doesn’t fit is Grady, I actually think Grant would be best used as the left sided forward of a 2, him & Robinson could be interesting with Callum dropping deep to pick the ball up with Grant getting in behind. God knows what happens to Grady though he’s definitely not cut out to play wing back.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: jimmyj on May 20, 2021, 07:15:11 PM
Hells bells, are we really baulking at a £700k fee? And saying thats "unrealistic"? That does not bode well.
Not even bothered about Appleton personally, but if thats an indication of what the club are prepared to do or not do, its not good.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Standaman on May 20, 2021, 07:16:20 PM
What are the regulations though? We did after all still manage to sign 2 players from abroad in January.

Either way, the FA drawn up rules are so, so, so short sighted. English teams are dominating in Europe and English players are slowly starting to thrive. Why have we tried to force something that didn’t need forcing?

Player regs are different to coach regulations. The coach regulations basically boil down to established Head Coach in teir 1 league (other big 5 leagues). The players regulations place a great deal of weight on International Appearances for top 50 ranked FIFA country. Okay and Diagne qualified on the back of being current internationals. I'm researching Championship friendly player options and the pickings are quite thin but not altogether none existent.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: tuamigos on May 20, 2021, 07:20:14 PM
I wonder how much of a loss we will make on Grant and Diangana then? And goodbye Robinson as well.

Super Luke Dowling

Sometimes you have to take a step back to take two forward.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: johnny Cash on May 20, 2021, 07:22:39 PM
I'd rather pay the 700k and have Appleton but you do you Dowling

Given a straight choice between the two I’d rather Appleton too. My reasoning for not wanting Wilder is not so much his transfer record,  but I don’t like Plan A being three at the back and I always thought that overlapping centre back idea would fall apart eventually.

Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: tuamigos on May 20, 2021, 07:34:39 PM
Given a straight choice between the two I’d rather Appleton too. My reasoning for not wanting Wilder is not so much his transfer record,  but I don’t like Plan A being three at the back and I always thought that overlapping centre back idea would fall apart eventually.

Sorry but I don't get this going back for ex-players to come back as managers.
Only ever ends in tears.
That said I'm not sure who I'd plump for, always thought that we should have given Pearson a go when we appointed Bilic. Pearson went to Bristol City back in Feb, not done anything there but then again the damage was done their before he arrived, a bit like when Sam came here
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: CL3MO on May 20, 2021, 07:36:24 PM
West Bromwich Albion are set to hold talks with Chris Wilder after the departure of Sam Allardyce.

Wilder, the former Sheffield United manager, is high on Albion's list of contenders to replace Allardyce and is believed to have already been approached by the club.

West Brom are preparing for a return to the Championship and Wilder, 53, ticks a lot of boxes for the Albion hierarchy as he has already achieved promotions and is a free agent.

With the club reluctant to pay compensation and damage their budget for this summer, Wilder is emerging as an increasingly attractive option following his exit from Bramall Lane in March this year.

Michael Appleton, the Lincoln manager and a former Albion player and coach, is also highly admired but his £700,000 fee is making him an unrealistic target at this stage.

West Brom's sporting and technical director Luke Dowling will consider other options, including Frank Lampard, despite the former Chelsea manager being in contention for Crystal Palace.

John Terry, the Aston Villa coach, could be another contender, with his brother Paul currently working as West Brom's loans manager.

Allardyce will also be consulted for his thoughts after announcing his decision to step down, minutes after the 3-1 home defeat to West Ham on Wednesday night.

The 66-year-old has suffered his first relegation from the Premier League and is leaving the Hawthorns after less than six months in charge.

Allardyce takes his final game in charge of the club at Leeds on Sunday afternoon.

On West Brom's search for a successor, he said: "You've got to look at what success they have had, whether that's in a lower division or in the Premier League itself.

"I still think it's risky sometimes taking a foreign manager at this level to get a club up in his first year unless it's a foreign manager already here.

"It's only one in three clubs that go up on average in the first year, so it may take a bit longer. That's why I've suggested it's not for me, because I'm not long-term any more."

Legend!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: lewisant on May 20, 2021, 07:43:30 PM
So we know Wilder operates with a back 3...but is 343 a viable option as that uses the best of the front 3 we have on our books. I imagine being able to utilise Grant and Diangana will be a part of the talks surely.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: johnny Cash on May 20, 2021, 07:47:28 PM
Sorry but I don't get this going back for ex-players to come back as managers.
Only ever ends in tears.
That said I'm not sure who I'd plump for, always thought that we should have given Pearson a go when we appointed Bilic. Pearson went to Bristol City back in Feb, not done anything there but then again the damage was done their before he arrived, a bit like when Sam came here

I did say given a choice between Wilder and Appleton. I don’t actually want Appleton either, I’m one of those who criticised us for continuously bringing Appleton back in to our coaching set up at all.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 20, 2021, 07:57:10 PM
Hells bells, are we really baulking at a £700k fee? And saying thats "unrealistic"? That does not bode well.
Not even bothered about Appleton personally, but if thats an indication of what the club are prepared to do or not do, its not good.

I’m with this. If we can’t afford 700k in compensation then we are struggling.

None of the current out of work managers - with the possible exception of Wilder - are any better in my view.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: alex1 on May 20, 2021, 07:57:56 PM
I doubt we could attract any of the above as a Premier League club Terzic perhaps, as a Championship club there is less than zero chance they aren't going to manage in a teir 2 league. That said Bilic and Cocu did sign up at Championship clubs but neither are in post two years on so I'm not sure that is a particularly good advertisement for the approach.  Incidentally Dieter Heckling last gig was at Hamburg and he failed to get them out of Bundesliga II which in relative terms is a fairly substantial under achievement.

The overseas manager market is a complete bust for this search thanks in large part to the new work permit regulations
Clubs like ours have indeed been slightly stiched up by the new post Brext regs, much as predicted, but the question is are such managers on our radar at all. England is still very much on the radar of the European managers. Our relegation makes us less attractive, but we are still generally seen as a club which is 'often in the Prem League'. I assume that came into Bilic's thinking when he accepted the job. Some may see us as a stepping stone, but we can still profit from that.
My point is, if you don't ask, you'll never know.   

PS. Dieter Hecking missed promotion on the last game of the season, which I don't think changes the fact he has a very solid record.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: liverbaggie on May 20, 2021, 08:01:39 PM
If we got lampard, would the magician have a lot of respect for him and stay?
I think and hope we build a team around him
I suppose I'm saying that the higher/ the more we'll known the coach the better the chances of him not leaving?
I don't like Wilder, Howe or Lampard for m, but it's west brom so maybe the cheapest again, but it'll be at least 1 million a year won't it?
 You'd think they'd be queing up
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 20, 2021, 08:04:23 PM
The idea of being known as Frank Lampards West Brom is horrifying  ;D
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: caravanc58 on May 20, 2021, 08:30:55 PM
Not fussed about Appleton but if £700 k is too much for us then we are in a poor state.
It's peanuts compared to what's been wasted on players.
Wilder is about as exciting as a trip to Rhyl.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: mulliganstired on May 20, 2021, 08:31:59 PM
The idea of being known as Frank Lampards West Brom is horrifying  ;D
I'm not so sure, it does kind if have a ring to it
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 20, 2021, 08:33:37 PM
Frank Lampards Albion? Super Franks Super Baggies?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SirTonyM on May 20, 2021, 08:46:11 PM
I agree 700,000 seems a small amount if we really want the manager. The trouble is we live in a reality where our owner won't put any money in. When was the last time we actually "poached" a manager? Was it Di Matteo?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: beechyboy90 on May 20, 2021, 09:00:35 PM
Di matteo and mowbray were the last 2 poached and both did well. I would prefer mowbray over some of those that have been suggested like john terry, graeme jones Appleton etc
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 20, 2021, 09:01:08 PM
Surely no serious link has been made with Jones?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Baggie79 on May 20, 2021, 09:04:23 PM
West Brom set to hold talks with Chris Wilder after departure of Sam Allardyce | @JPercyTelegraph reports

Hardly news, people have known about this since the end of April.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: BalisPen on May 20, 2021, 09:04:27 PM
I cannot believe monk is on the list and anyone has actually voted for racist Terry.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 20, 2021, 09:10:45 PM
I cant believe Enzo Maresca is joint top. No first team management experience. Good lord.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Dexy on May 20, 2021, 09:13:28 PM
Wilder and Dowling signing players , great :-[
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Albertbaggie on May 20, 2021, 09:16:36 PM
Torn between Wilder and Lampard.
I don't get the demand for ex-players as boss - loved McInnes, Appleton and Maresca as players but no thanks.
Wilder would be the sensible option I guess, based on his work at Sheff United.
But I think Lampard got a rough deal at Chelsea (though, admittedly Tuchel is a few levels higher). I liked the fact Lampard nurtured some of the younger lads, something I'd really like to see happening at the Albion.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 20, 2021, 09:22:28 PM
Hells bells, are we really baulking at a £700k fee? And saying thats "unrealistic"? That does not bode well.
Not even bothered about Appleton personally, but if thats an indication of what the club are prepared to do or not do, its not good.
Indeed. If he's of interest to them, ruling him out at the outset for the sake of £700k or so is madness.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Standaman on May 20, 2021, 09:23:12 PM
I know the article is by Percy who always seems pretty well informed but I don't think that there is much here other than Wilder is a the clear front runner. Unless we can't land Wilder then I think everything else is a red herring.

Tactically Wilder has become associated with a 3-5-2 shape but prior to Sheffield United he worked with four man defences. If he is wedded to the back 3 it pretty much craters large parts of the squad.

Under those circumstances getting a coach like Appleton or Evatt  whose stock formation does not do this saves almost any amount of compensation and just one less transfer is going to save £700k
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Dexy on May 20, 2021, 09:32:06 PM
I know the article is by Percy who always seems pretty well informed but I don't think that there is much here other than Wilder is a the clear front runner. Unless we can't land Wilder then I think everything else is a red herring.

Tactically Wilder has become associated with a 3-5-2 shape but prior to Sheffield United he worked with four man defences. If he is wedded to the back 3 it pretty much craters large parts of the squad.

Under those circumstances getting a coach like Appleton or Evatt  whose stock formation does not do this saves almost any amount of compensation and just one less transfer is going to save £700k
Would it not be classic Albion at the minute to appoint the one bloke who did worse than Bilic / Allardyce and is the most unsuited to the squad we have ?
That's not to mention leaving Sheff Utd under a bit of a cloud . I'm expecting Wilder now .
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 20, 2021, 09:32:29 PM
Under those circumstances getting a coach like Appleton or Evatt  whose stock formation does not do this saves almost any amount of compensation and just one less transfer is going to save £700k
They could probably crowdfund £700k to get Appleton, but it would be ultra-embarrassing!!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: wba_1996 on May 20, 2021, 09:48:04 PM
West Brom set to hold talks with Chris Wilder after departure of Sam Allardyce | @JPercyTelegraph reports

The worlds most predictable football club strikes again. It's absolute paint-by-numbers stuff at this club, they have absolutely zero imagination or ambition to think even slightly outside the box.

We'll now be stuck with a squad full of fairly expensive wingers and a head coach who doesn't play wingers. So with all the upheaval ahead already, we now need to find buyers for Diangana, Robinson and possibly Grant as well. Braindead.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Baggie79 on May 20, 2021, 09:54:39 PM
Sam's own interview backs up the fact we have been looking at his replacement for a while:

https://talksport.com/football/883880/sam-allardyce-admits-lied-west-brom-future-relegation/
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SirTonyM on May 20, 2021, 09:55:44 PM
Strange to see people baulking and recoiling at Wilder but championing Appleton. In terms of what they have actually achieved in management that seems strange.

Also in regards to Robinson didn’t Wilder buy him from the championship? What’s to say he wouldn’t play him in the championship?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: wba_1996 on May 20, 2021, 10:02:37 PM
Strange to see people baulking and recoiling at Wilder but championing Appleton. In terms of what they have actually achieved in management that seems strange.

Also in regards to Robinson didn’t Wilder buy him from the championship? What’s to say he wouldn’t play him in the championship?

He binned him off for Oli Burke...
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: alex1 on May 20, 2021, 10:15:28 PM
Would it not be classic Albion at the minute to appoint the one bloke who did worse than Bilic / Allardyce and is the most unsuited to the squad we have ?
That's not to mention leaving Sheff Utd under a bit of a cloud . I'm expecting Wilder now .
Completly depressing, if true. If Brewster failed to deliver in his 5-3-2 setup, is Grant going to do any better? Chances will be at an absolute premium. Will there be a place for any creative player(s)? Even if Pereira stays, what sort of a role would he be given? Even if Wilder did manage to get us promoted, what would we have to look forward to?  Trying to beat the 19 goals Sheff Utd managed this season?

Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: BaggieNick on May 20, 2021, 10:39:27 PM
Not fussed about Appleton but if £700 k is too much for us then we are in a poor state.
It's peanuts compared to what's been wasted on players.
Wilder is about as exciting as a trip to Rhyl.

The Sun Centre with the Dragon Slide! Rhyl rocks!

That's far more exciting than Wilder and Appleton added together and squared.

Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: BaggieNick on May 20, 2021, 10:41:38 PM
Completly depressing, if true. If Brewster failed to deliver in his 5-3-2 setup, is Grant going to do any better? Chances will be at an absolute premium. Will there be a place for any creative player(s)? Even if Pereira stays, what sort of a role would he be given? Even if Wilder did manage to get us promoted, what would we have to look forward to?  Trying to beat the 19 goals Sheff Utd managed this season?

Wilder would be awful. Just ahead of Appleton.

I want to see someone who could bully our board. Get the players we need to progress and push us on. Neither of those would do that. Also Appleton is mates with Dowling...

Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on May 20, 2021, 10:43:06 PM
Not a massive fan of Wilder based on last 12 months but why are we only judging him on the last 12 months not the previous years when he was a rousing success
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 20, 2021, 10:43:35 PM
I want to see someone who could bully our board. Get the players we need to progress and push us on. Neither of those would do that.

I think you need to start preparing yourself for disappointment.

We’re not going to appoint a Megson esq character who’s going to throw his weight around the place.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 20, 2021, 10:44:55 PM
Not a massive fan of Wilder based on last 12 months but why are we only judging him on the last 12 months not the previous years when he was a rousing success

I agree - far too much emphasis on the last 12 months - largely because it suits the narrative.

I think folk need to realise that whoever we appoint is going to have baggage of some sort.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 20, 2021, 10:48:29 PM
I agree - far too much emphasis on the last 12 months - largely because it suits the narrative.

I think folk need to realise that whoever we appoint is going to have baggage of some sort.

Not about the past season for me, his over reliance on a top goalkeeper, the way he sets up his teams, the make up of our squad, his abrasiveness and his record on transfers leave me with serious reservations.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Standaman on May 20, 2021, 10:54:13 PM
Wilder would be awful. Just ahead of Appleton.

I want to see someone who could bully our board. Get the players we need to progress and push us on. Neither of those would do that. Also Appleton is mates with Dowling...


This a nonsense on what planet does an EMPLOYEE bully his employer?  Whoever comes into has to work with the reality of the situation rather then some strange fantasy that some fans have about how things work. Performative whinging is not bullying anybody it is just making excuses.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SirTonyM on May 20, 2021, 10:54:34 PM
He binned him off for Oli Burke...

Wilder didn't pay any money for Burke. Can you imagine the clowns that parted with 15mill for Burke, they must be an even dumber bunch.....
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: BaggieNick on May 20, 2021, 10:58:39 PM

This a nonsense on what planet does an EMPLOYEE bully his employer?  Whoever comes into has to work with the reality of the situation rather then some strange fantasy that some fans have about how things work. Performative whinging is not bullying anybody it is just making excuses.

Figure of speech - apologies.

I'd like to see someone come in and get the best from our board and owners knowing something about football along the way. Unlike Bilic who thought that Grant and Diangana were the answers and like Big Sam who brought in quality players who improved us.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: paulosull on May 20, 2021, 11:13:41 PM
Lampard has well a short history of using youngsters in his first team which I'd welcome down the hawthorns. He's experienced the chump and might be willing to stick around if things go well especially after time at Chelsea.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: BaggieNick on May 20, 2021, 11:17:15 PM
Lampard has well a short history of using youngsters in his first team which I'd welcome down the hawthorns. He's experienced the chump and might be willing to stick around if things go well especially after time at Chelsea.

Lampard wouldn't come for pennies and would want assurances that the cash was there to  build a strong squad for immediate promotion. After Chelsea he needs to rebuild his profile and succeed.

I'm in.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: beechyboy90 on May 21, 2021, 05:38:41 AM
My concern with wilder is we already have a huge rebuild and the only position we are quite well set is wide midfield: snodgrass Phillips robinson grant diangana. And his appointment would make these mostly redundant as he uses wing backs and a back 3
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Smethwickender93 on May 21, 2021, 06:42:29 AM
Lampard for me  8)
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggies_24 on May 21, 2021, 06:56:56 AM
My concern with wilder is we already have a huge rebuild and the only position we are quite well set is wide midfield: snodgrass Phillips robinson grant diangana. And his appointment would make these mostly redundant as he uses wing backs and a back 3

Wilder played a 4-2-3-1 & 4-4-2 formation at Northampton. I think he’d look at what the strength of the team is and adapt his formation to that.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: paulosull on May 21, 2021, 07:24:30 AM
Lampard wouldn't come for pennies and would want assurances that the cash was there to  build a strong squad for immediate promotion. After Chelsea he needs to rebuild his profile and succeed.

I'm in.
well if Allardyce is to believed, transfer kitty wasn't an issue so can't see that being a problem for Lampard.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Baggies on May 21, 2021, 07:31:33 AM
Lampard will want a prem job having just left Chelsea. He will be looking for a club who might allow him to spring board to a bigger job (IE the England national team).

I'd imagine he is hoping for a Southampton, a Wolves or a Villa.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: paulosull on May 21, 2021, 07:39:30 AM
Lampard will want a prem job having just left Chelsea. He will be looking for a club who might allow him to spring board to a bigger job (IE the England national team).

I'd imagine he is hoping for a Southampton, a Wolves or a Villa.
quoted yesterday that he would work in chump if right club came along.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: hardtobeat on May 21, 2021, 07:45:08 AM
More concerning to me than actually appointing Wilder is the fact that as far as the club are thinking he seems to be the only name in town! There seems to be nobody else under consideration which is to say the least disappointing, reports that we are bulking at paying 700k compo( who for is irrelevant)would also point in this direction. If Allardyce is right and he lied about future plans then I would like to think that Dowling would have been aware of this and other options  could , should , would have been investigated in the interim which judging by the lack of rumours of any name other than Wilder doesn't appear to have happened
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: paulosull on May 21, 2021, 07:52:49 AM
More concerning to me than actually appointing Wilder is the fact that as far as the club are thinking he seems to be the only name in town!
early days but Between Wilder and Lampard, prefer Frank as he would put kids in if he thinks they are good enough. Chris would give Luke more headaches as he's his own man and maybe losing a central defender and goalkeeper who had great seasons did affect his team more than usual.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Standaman on May 21, 2021, 07:54:07 AM
Wilder played a 4-2-3-1 & 4-4-2 formation at Northampton. I think he’d look at what the strength of the team is and adapt his formation to that.

This is my hope if it is Wilder. However robbed of one or two key players that made the 3-5-2 work and surrounded by big flashing signs that things weren't working and critically enough players to do something different he ploughed on regardless. With some distance and time to reflect and a wholly different group of players maybe he will do something different.

However he has worked with this shape for 6 years and 5 of them have been very successful so I do fear that he will revert to it.

 
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Mister AT on May 21, 2021, 08:35:09 AM
Lampard will want a prem job having just left Chelsea. He will be looking for a club who might allow him to spring board to a bigger job (IE the England national team).

I'd imagine he is hoping for a Southampton, a Wolves or a Villa.

He also reportedly said no to the palace job as it’s too much of a rebuild with how many out of contract players they have. I imagine the same answer will be given to us.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggiejohn on May 21, 2021, 08:35:32 AM
Wilder would be awful. Just ahead of Appleton.

I want to see someone who could bully our board. Get the players we need to progress and push us on. Neither of those would do that. Also Appleton is mates with Dowling...

Bullying our board would be like robbing a bank with an empty safe
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Mister AT on May 21, 2021, 08:37:39 AM
Maybe we should offer it to Pereira as a player manager, might be the only way we keep him  :D

Or see if Krov fancies a crack at manager.  ;D

I fully expect it to be wilder, we are known admirers, he has knowledge of championship and winning the league, no compensation needed, only conversation needed would be budget and if he can work with the current squad.

I have a bad feeling about Terry and Alex O’Neil too for some reason.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: KN22 on May 21, 2021, 08:48:01 AM
One small detail about Wilder. He was on megabucks at Sheff United so will need to significantly lower his salary expectations.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SmethDan on May 21, 2021, 08:49:54 AM
I'm not getting a lot of the support for Frank Lampard. Gives youth a chance? Had to initially at Chelsea but let's not forget he also swapped and changed an expensively assembled and unbalanced squad at the drop of a hat.

Seemed quite disparaging towards us following the 3-3 at ours if memory serves so I imagine we'd be a bit of a come down for him. I think the 'right' Championship club he has in mind's closer to the Fulham Road than the Brummie Road.

Talks a good game as a pundit, not the worst appointment we could make but I just don't see him as a good fit. And who are all these young players he's going to select as first team starters in a promotion push from the Championship?

'If' reports are correct and we're unwilling to pay £700,000 for the services of a head coach to guide a promotion push to the monies on offer in the Premier League, I wouldn't want to be a computer screen facing Luke Dowling with hot tea in his mouth when he sees what Chelsea may well ask for in loan fees for their human farm products.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: jimmyj on May 21, 2021, 09:00:40 AM
Maybe we should offer it to Pereira as a player manager, might be the only way we keep him  :D

Or see if Krov fancies a crack at manager.  ;D

I fully expect it to be wilder, we are known admirers, he has knowledge of championship and winning the league, no compensation needed, only conversation needed would be budget and if he can work with the current squad.

I have a bad feeling about Terry and Alex O’Neil too for some reason.

Presume you mean Alex Neil. He worries me too.
I'm sure I read that Terry has a release clause for a management gig as well, so I don't think money would be an issue for him.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: brummyroader on May 21, 2021, 09:02:31 AM
I’ve voted other and would love Mark Robbins at Coventry to be given a chance. I want a manager that is on the up and where potentially we are the biggest club they have been at.

It seems Wilder is the number 1 I suppose for obvious reasons, but as many have said doesn’t feel right and his transfer record latterly has been nothing short of abysmal, it seems strange that with his overall managerial record there are so many concerns but they are fully justifiable.

Mark Robbins has promotions on his CV, has done wonders at Coventry with the complex conditions he’s been dealt with, plays football on the floor (personally more concerned with winning football) and given more resources whilst always needing to be prudent and making the most out of our budget I seen him as a perfect fit. Good record with younger players which has been a negative of ours for years as we rarely have saleable assets for us to reinvest in the squad.

Wilder the ‘easy’ and ‘lazy’ option in my opinion for the board, but be surprised if he didn’t end up here...

Let’s look outside the box!!!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Oldbury24 on May 21, 2021, 09:11:27 AM
Whilst I am also cautious about Wilder after this season's implosion and transfer activity he obviously has "something" about him as a manager to bring the success, albeit mainly in the lower leagues that he had.  BUT let's not also forget his miraculous first season in the Prem. 

If in interview he can openly identify what went wrong this season, show that he has learnt and reflected on the experience and set out a plan for what he would do differently then with his CV he must be in with a shout. 

I think us mere mortals think that football manager interviews must be totally different to the ones we attend but the principles will be the same.  Everyone has failures, as well as success, it's how you learn from it and develop that is key to moving on.

Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Baggies on May 21, 2021, 09:13:57 AM
I'm not getting a lot of the support for Frank Lampard. Gives youth a chance? Had to initially at Chelsea but let's not forget he also swapped and changed an expensively assembled and unbalanced squad at the drop of a hat.

Seemed quite disparaging towards us following the 3-3 at ours if memory serves so I imagine we'd be a bit of a come down for him. I think the 'right' Championship club he has in mind's closer to the Fulham Road than the Brummie Road.

Talks a good game as a pundit, not the worst appointment we could make but I just don't see him as a good fit. And who are all these young players he's going to select as first team starters in a promotion push from the Championship?

'If' reports are correct and we're unwilling to pay £700,000 for the services of a head coach to guide a promotion push to the monies on offer in the Premier League, I wouldn't want to be a computer screen facing Luke Dowling with hot tea in his mouth when he sees what Chelsea may well ask for in loan fees for their human farm products.

My worry with Lampard is that he took over a side who had just finished 6th place, added Fikayo Tomori (England international within 12 months and now starting defender for AC Milan), Mason Mount (now an England mainstay and possible Champions league winner) and Harry Wilson and took Derby to...a 6th placed finish.

He should never have been given the Chelsea job off the back of that but he was promoted due to him being Frank Lampard and while he did quite well there in the first season, it was a weird season and he failed once given better players.

I'd prefer he do it somewhere else, as much as I like him.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Oldbury24 on May 21, 2021, 09:17:40 AM
My worry with Lampard is that he took over a side who had just finished 6th place, added Fikayo Tomori (England international within 12 months and now starting defender for AC Milan), Mason Mount (now an England mainstay and possible Champions league winner) and Harry Wilson and took Derby to...a 6th placed finish.

He should never have been given the Chelsea job off the back of that but he was promoted due to him being Frank Lampard and while he did quite well there in the first season, it was a weird season and he failed once given better players.

I'd prefer he do it somewhere else, as much as I like him.

Frank ay coming anyway is he?  I just can't see him wanting to drop back into the Champ or relocate to the Midlands again.  Plenty of London based clubs may come knocking over the next year.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Albionic on May 21, 2021, 09:25:50 AM
I'd rather pay the 700k and have Appleton but you do you Dowling

I wouldnt but my thoughts were,
 surely Frank Lampard would earn in excess of £700k more than Appy anyway? So whats the real issue with cash? If FL is a real consideration , Appy should be (financially)
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: jimmyj on May 21, 2021, 09:38:06 AM
I’ve voted other and would love Mark Robbins at Coventry to be given a chance. I want a manager that is on the up and where potentially we are the biggest club they have been at.

It seems Wilder is the number 1 I suppose for obvious reasons, but as many have said doesn’t feel right and his transfer record latterly has been nothing short of abysmal, it seems strange that with his overall managerial record there are so many concerns but they are fully justifiable.

Mark Robbins has promotions on his CV, has done wonders at Coventry with the complex conditions he’s been dealt with, plays football on the floor (personally more concerned with winning football) and given more resources whilst always needing to be prudent and making the most out of our budget I seen him as a perfect fit. Good record with younger players which has been a negative of ours for years as we rarely have saleable assets for us to reinvest in the squad.

Wilder the ‘easy’ and ‘lazy’ option in my opinion for the board, but be surprised if he didn’t end up here...

Let’s look outside the box!!!

A friend of mine suggested Robins, and I'm quite taken with the idea as well. Done well with what he has had, possession play (or was in L1), probably taken Cov as far as he can with their resources.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggiemart on May 21, 2021, 09:39:34 AM
I have read that Sam is advising the board about the next manager and his recommendation is a manager who knows the Championship and has had success in it.  With that in mind there is only one contender, Chris Wilder.

I can't understand the fans on this site being so against Chris Wilder. His record before this season was brilliant.

The Appleton fans need to look back at his time at Portsmouth and Blackburn in this division.  win rate at Portsmouth 25%, Blackburn 27%.  Not exactly promotion winning form  !!!

As for Frank Lampard, remember he likes to play the ball out from the back. A tactic that got Darren Moore the sack and infuriated a lot of fans.

I think its Chris Wilder for me and give him a few seasons to get it right.  Its no good thinking we will get promoted next season because there is too much of a rebuild job to be done.  That rebuild needs to be done on a budget using the Pereira money when it comes in.




Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: hardtobeat on May 21, 2021, 09:43:11 AM
In fairness to Wilder , and I don’t want him , people are banging on about his transfer record but most on here would have taken Brewster , he also signed Berge and Lundstram who seem destined to move upward as well as giving Henderson his chance so whilst there are obviously fails Burke , McBurnie etc I don’t think he is any worse than many others in that regard .
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 21, 2021, 09:43:35 AM
chris wilder another tony pulis no thanks. i voted other
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: boinging_along on May 21, 2021, 10:15:00 AM
As for Frank Lampard, remember he likes to play the ball out from the back. A tactic that got Darren Moore the sack and infuriated a lot of fans.

The problem isn't playing it out from the back, it's doing it with defenders who clearly aren't good enough at it and then persisting with it.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggiemart on May 21, 2021, 10:17:37 AM
The problem isn't playing it out from the back, it's doing it with defenders who clearly aren't good enough at it and then persisting with it.

Which is what Derby did in the Championship and our defenders are not that good to be able to do it successfully.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: jimmyj on May 21, 2021, 10:20:36 AM
The problem isn't playing it out from the back, it's doing it with defenders who clearly aren't good enough at it and then persisting with it.

Exactly this. I'm a big fan of playing out from the back and building up the pitch.
However, that is not the game for Barts and Semi, bless 'em
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: victor mature on May 21, 2021, 11:05:37 AM
I agree with others that Wilder may be that type of manager who is only successful at one club. I also worry about Wilder'sdifficulties off the pitch with the owners and the same thing happening here. however I haven't got a clue who  we should appoint. I like Pearson but if he has signed a new contract then that's him off the list
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 21, 2021, 11:11:18 AM
The Appleton fans need to look back at his time at Portsmouth and Blackburn in this division.  win rate at Portsmouth 25%, Blackburn 27%.  Not exactly promotion winning form  !!!

In his defence you have selected two clubs which were absolute basket cases at the time.

His record at both Oxford and Lincoln are very good.

I do not buy the argument that it is a substandard level of football and that any successes should be ignored.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: mikehy on May 21, 2021, 11:12:58 AM
I agree with others that Wilder may be that type of manager who is only successful at one club. I also worry about Wilder'sdifficulties off the pitch with the owners and the same thing happening here. however I haven't got a clue who  we should appoint. I like Pearson but if he has signed a new contract then that's him off the list
I think if you check his record you’ll see that he had success at Northampton and in non league before Sheffield united. Lower leagues I accept but you have to start somewhere
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SirTonyM on May 21, 2021, 11:14:52 AM
In his defence you have selected two clubs which were absolute basket cases at the time.

His record at both Oxford and Lincoln are very good.

I do not buy the argument that it is a substandard level of football and that any successes should be ignored.

You beat me too it. You mean 2 promotions at 2 other teams he managed and left both teams so much better than when he arrived.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: mig on May 21, 2021, 11:18:41 AM
In fairness to Wilder , and I don’t want him , people are banging on about his transfer record but most on here would have taken Brewster , he also signed Berge and Lundstram who seem destined to move upward as well as giving Henderson his chance so whilst there are obviously fails Burke , McBurnie etc I don’t think he is any worse than many others in that regard .

I'm sure most of us would have taken Brewster, you're right.  But then if the consensus is that there is a good player in there, surely that's even more damning of Wilder? Even when he gets the transfer right on paper, he doesn't know how to use those more creative or attacking players. Bit like when Pulis signed Chadli.

We need a manager who can get the best out of players like Diangana, Robinson etc., and - given our limited budget - someone who can also develop players coming through the academy.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SirTonyM on May 21, 2021, 11:19:05 AM
I would have questions about Wilder and I’m not sure  but to champion anyone from a lower division (Appleton, Robins etc) and then write off Wilder makes no sense to me.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: kc56wba on May 21, 2021, 11:26:24 AM
One thing I cor get my head round is this continuous love-in with ex-players becoming our manager, Appleton, McInnes, Enzo Maresca even heard some comments on Big Dave coming back. Managers coming back rarely work out, just look at Giles and Atkinson.

Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: mig on May 21, 2021, 11:37:39 AM
I would have questions about Wilder and I’m not sure  but to champion anyone from a lower division (Appleton, Robins etc) and then write off Wilder makes no sense to me.

I think in part it's a style of football thing, which is fair enough.

Also - and perhaps I'm just speaking for myself as I know many will have done due diligence on those lower league managers - but with Wilder generally we've had a lot more exposure to him as a Prem manager and one we ourselves have competed against often over the past few years. So it's easier to criticise him given we have a lot more knowledge of how he operates. I'm not championing Appleton/Robins etc but also not criticising them as I haven't done my homework yet. 
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggiejohn on May 21, 2021, 11:43:32 AM
One thing I cor get my head round is this continuous love-in with ex-players becoming our manager, Appleton, McInnes, Enzo Maresca even heard some comments on Big Dave coming back. Managers coming back rarely work out, just look at Giles and Atkinson.

I think it's fair to say, that over the last few years, & certainly with the change of ownership, WBAFC has lost it's identity.
The most recent coach, who went some way to restoring that was Darren Moore, personally, I think he will have learned a lot since he left us, & I think I would give him another go.

Unless we do get some of the "know who we are" thinking into the club, we will continue to lurch from crisis to crisis.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: lewisant on May 21, 2021, 11:53:22 AM
Wilder seems like a very good shout and if you look into his career, last season is a blotch. Others have said he's played back 4's in the past and what's to say he won't go 343 or adapt to what we have. He's also managed clubs that are in a big crisis. Wilder is a great shout for me and by far the most logical choice given that we know we'd prefer out of job managers which makes sense.

Those pointing to Appleton's failures at Portsmouth and Oxford would perhaps need to look beyond those clubs, which as others have said were basket case. He's had a good few years. Take away the links to the clubs, if we're looking at successful managers from the leagues below you wouldn't ignore him.

I'm onside with the club at the moment if press links are to be believed. Wilder and Appleton make sense. I'm open to Frank Lampard but I have worries.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: WBA.R.K on May 21, 2021, 12:00:18 PM
I don't see it happening in a million years as he's at a much higher level than we are, but I would love to see someone like Peter Bosz at the club. I know its not realistic, it's more of a dream appointment for me. A strong attacking/possession/pressing style and a good eye for talent. That's the sort of football and coach I wish we could appoint.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: wbasoprano on May 21, 2021, 12:07:45 PM
I agree with others that Wilder may be that type of manager who is only successful at one club. I also worry about Wilder'sdifficulties off the pitch with the owners and the same thing happening here. however I haven't got a clue who  we should appoint. I like Pearson but if he has signed a new contract then that's him off the list

Kind of like how Megson was only really successful at our club, yes. If it is Wilder I'll get behind him even though I don't want him. I got behind Sam and could see what he did for us, although it was painful those first couple of months.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggiemart on May 21, 2021, 12:13:04 PM
Its a case of horses for courses.  Managers jump up divisions but fail miserably.  That happened to Hasselbank. I think managers have their limitations and I think Appleton and Robins limitation is Division 1. Wilder was also in that group until he got Sheffield United promoted. So he can now be classed as a successful Championship manager which is something we are after.  To me its a no brainer with Wilder. He will get us promoted but it won't be a quick fix. Basically quick fixes don't work. We tried that in the first season we were in the Championship. We failed to get promoted so then we lost our loan players together with Dawson and Rodriguez.  We need to build a good strong Championship side that will get us out of this division within 2 seasons. Then add 1 or 2 premier quality players to it.  Wilder is the man to do that.  All the others are too much of a risk and basically we can't afford another risky short term manager.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggiemart on May 21, 2021, 12:18:43 PM
Kind of like how Megson was only really successful at our club, yes. If it is Wilder I'll get behind him even though I don't want him. I got behind Sam and could see what he did for us, although it was painful those first couple of months.

Sam did nothing for us. He ended with a win ratio of 16% , 4 wins in 25 matches. He only managed to get us 20 points. He filled the midfield with loan players and now we are in a position where we don't have a settled team and we have no manager. He never had any intention of staying especially when relegation looked inevitable. He should have come clean then instead of keeping us hanging on.  All he did was add some more money to his pension fund and just hope we stay up and he gets his big fat bonus.  Worst appointment we have made in the last few years. 
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 21, 2021, 12:31:57 PM
I do not buy the argument that it is a substandard level of football and that any successes should be ignored.
Except if it's Alan Pardew!  ;)
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 21, 2021, 12:36:45 PM
Seriously concerned about this appointment as there is no stand out manager out there. Glad Sam is not staying, didn't want him in the first place and yes performances picked up but still not good enough, not blaming it all on him as the place is a shambles all round.

Wilder has done well at lower levels and in his first season in the Prem but this season he's the only bloke who's team has finished below us, his signings have been shocking and I just can't seen him working well with Dowling who like it or not seems to be going nowhere while Lai is still owning the club.

Lampard did well at Derby in what was his first job and at Chelsea until it seemed the pressure came to spend money, once that pressure arrived then expectations rose and the end result was inevitable. I think given his contacts then he would get us up and it would be better to watch than Wilder but long term I think he would be looking elsewhere and we would be the ultimate stepping stone at a time we need some consolidation.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: victor mature on May 21, 2021, 12:43:14 PM
 I've had a read of the comments and I've changed my mind . if we want someone who will be with us for the longer term and has the experience we need right now, it's Wilder.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: lewisant on May 21, 2021, 01:06:02 PM
Its a case of horses for courses.  Managers jump up divisions but fail miserably.  That happened to Hasselbank. I think managers have their limitations and I think Appleton and Robins limitation is Division 1. Wilder was also in that group until he got Sheffield United promoted. So he can now be classed as a successful Championship manager which is something we are after.  To me its a no brainer with Wilder. He will get us promoted but it won't be a quick fix. Basically quick fixes don't work. We tried that in the first season we were in the Championship. We failed to get promoted so then we lost our loan players together with Dawson and Rodriguez.  We need to build a good strong Championship side that will get us out of this division within 2 seasons. Then add 1 or 2 premier quality players to it.  Wilder is the man to do that.  All the others are too much of a risk and basically we can't afford another risky short term manager.

https://www.performanceanalysisuk.co.uk/single-post/where-next-for-chris-wilder-a-summary-of-his-approach-to-management#:~:text=Wilder's%20Managerial%20Style&text=Within%20the%20Back%205%20a,wing%20to%20help%20attacking%20phases. (https://www.performanceanalysisuk.co.uk/single-post/where-next-for-chris-wilder-a-summary-of-his-approach-to-management#:~:text=Wilder's%20Managerial%20Style&text=Within%20the%20Back%205%20a,wing%20to%20help%20attacking%20phases.)

I've just had a read of the above article. I'm now pretty convinced that Wilder would be an excellent appointment. I have concerns about his signing of Burke, Brewster Ramsdale & McBurnie but there have been successes too. I hope he can play a system to the strengths we have.

His track record is excellent, especially with teams up against it. If I could change my vote, I would.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggiemart on May 21, 2021, 01:10:38 PM
https://www.performanceanalysisuk.co.uk/single-post/where-next-for-chris-wilder-a-summary-of-his-approach-to-management#:~:text=Wilder's%20Managerial%20Style&text=Within%20the%20Back%205%20a,wing%20to%20help%20attacking%20phases. (https://www.performanceanalysisuk.co.uk/single-post/where-next-for-chris-wilder-a-summary-of-his-approach-to-management#:~:text=Wilder's%20Managerial%20Style&text=Within%20the%20Back%205%20a,wing%20to%20help%20attacking%20phases.)

I've just had a read of the above article. I'm now pretty convinced that Wilder would be an excellent appointment. I have concerns about his signing of Burke, Brewster Ramsdale & McBurnie but there have been successes too. I hope he can play a system to the strengths we have.

His track record is excellent, especially with teams up against it. If I could change my vote, I would.

In todays football, signings are not always the managers decisions. There are other people at the clubs who make the signings and tell the manager who they have to work with. So any bad signings at Sheffield could be down to other people at Sheffield.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Dexy on May 21, 2021, 01:16:26 PM
Seriously concerned about this appointment as there is no stand out manager out there. Glad Sam is not staying, didn't want him in the first place and yes performances picked up but still not good enough, not blaming it all on him as the place is a shambles all round.

Wilder has done well at lower levels and in his first season in the Prem but this season he's the only bloke who's team has finished below us, his signings have been shocking and I just can't seen him working well with Dowling who like it or not seems to be going nowhere while Lai is still owning the club.

Lampard did well at Derby in what was his first job and at Chelsea until it seemed the pressure came to spend money, once that pressure arrived then expectations rose and the end result was inevitable. I think given his contacts then he would get us up and it would be better to watch than Wilder but long term I think he would be looking elsewhere and we would be the ultimate stepping stone at a time we need some consolidation.
Agree on both parts of this  :o .
Wilder and Dowling has upset written all over it , I wasn't impressed with Wilders attitude towards the owner this season either .
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: wbasoprano on May 21, 2021, 01:16:58 PM
Sam did nothing for us. He ended with a win ratio of 16% , 4 wins in 25 matches. He only managed to get us 20 points. He filled the midfield with loan players and now we are in a position where we don't have a settled team and we have no manager. He never had any intention of staying especially when relegation looked inevitable. He should have come clean then instead of keeping us hanging on.  All he did was add some more money to his pension fund and just hope we stay up and he gets his big fat bonus.  Worst appointment we have made in the last few years.

*in your opinion

I can't be bothered to once again point out where he improved us, post January. Let's just agree to disagree.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on May 21, 2021, 01:17:53 PM
I think I've reached the point, because I can't influence the decision, that I'm not all that bothered who is appointed Head Coach.

I can only hope and pray it is someone whose team and style of play will excite us fans, provide leadership for the club, have a plan for playing formations A, B and C and will give us hope.

But I'm not altogether convinced that will, necessarily be the case, but I wont prejudge too much, I'll wait and see who we end up with as its a lottery.

But whoever is appointed, I will give him a fair crack of the whip and not bleat on for weeks and weeks like some on here have about a man they didn't want  and this isn't verbatim "I didn't want him and he's worse than the previous Head Coach, he's a stats comparison are.........." etc. etc. etc.

The new Head Coach will get my 100% support and I will decide for myself how he is shaping up after he has been given time, support and the financial backing by the club.

COYB!!!!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gerry m on May 21, 2021, 01:22:34 PM
Just think it will be Chris Wilder. Out of work, experienced and probably cheap. Suits the clubs criteria down to the ground.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggiemart on May 21, 2021, 01:24:38 PM
*in your opinion

I can't be bothered to once again point out where he improved us, post January. Let's just agree to disagree.

The figures speak for themselves.  You can't argue against hard facts !!!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 21, 2021, 01:26:46 PM
The figures speak for themselves.  You can't argue against hard facts !!!

The facts all point to him improving us...
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on May 21, 2021, 01:27:43 PM
The figures speak for themselves.  You can't argue against hard facts !!!

Lies, damn lies and statistics as they say.

It hurt us massively that he wasn't able to train the team together during the opening 2 months of his being with us.

I for one think we improved vastly by the end and even the recent loses have been a big improvement performance wise for me at least.

Football is a results game of course. But to hide behind the numbers alone isn't doing anyone any good in a debate.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: PartisanBaggie on May 21, 2021, 01:31:34 PM
Seriously concerned about this appointment as there is no stand out manager out there. Glad Sam is not staying, didn't want him in the first place and yes performances picked up but still not good enough, not blaming it all on him as the place is a shambles all round.

Wilder has done well at lower levels and in his first season in the Prem but this season he's the only bloke who's team has finished below us, his signings have been shocking and I just can't seen him working well with Dowling who like it or not seems to be going nowhere while Lai is still owning the club.

Lampard did well at Derby in what was his first job and at Chelsea until it seemed the pressure came to spend money, once that pressure arrived then expectations rose and the end result was inevitable. I think given his contacts then he would get us up and it would be better to watch than Wilder but long term I think he would be looking elsewhere and we would be the ultimate stepping stone at a time we need some consolidation.

Yep, I second that emotion!

Dowling’s going nowhere for the foreseeable ✅

Wilder doesn’t share power/decision making too well. Which is similar to Tony Pulis’ ‘my way or the highway’ approach ✅

To Frank, WBA would simply be another stepping stone in his managerial journey ✅

Me, I’d take the stepping stone option. It’s then up to our DoF to have contingency plans in place when the manager moves on. Again, I have no real problem if Wilder is appointed. But myself, I’d take Lampard or Terry over him first if they wanted it.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggiemart on May 21, 2021, 01:34:39 PM
The facts all point to him improving us...

Amazing !!!   
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggiemart on May 21, 2021, 01:37:03 PM
Lies, damn lies and statistics as they say.

It hurt us massively that he wasn't able to train the team together during the opening 2 months of his being with us.

I for one think we improved vastly by the end and even the recent loses have been a big improvement performance wise for me at least.

Football is a results game of course. But to hide behind the numbers alone isn't doing anyone any good in a debate.

You have answered your own argument.  Football is a results game.  Nothing else matters !!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggiemart on May 21, 2021, 01:44:51 PM
Yep, I second that emotion!

Dowling’s going nowhere for the foreseeable ✅

Wilder doesn’t share power/decision making too well. Which is similar to Tony Pulis’ ‘my way or the highway’ approach ✅

To Frank, WBA would simply be another stepping stone in his managerial journey ✅

Me, I’d take the stepping stone option. It’s then up to our DoF to have contingency plans in place when the manager moves on. Again, I have no real problem if Wilder is appointed. But myself, I’d take Lampard or Terry over him first if they wanted it.

Lampard and Terry would just fill the team with Chelsea loanees who Chelsea have back at the end of season ready to loan out to another club.  We need to build a solid Championship side and have any loanees as squad players
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: lewisant on May 21, 2021, 01:49:51 PM
I think people thinking Chris Wilder is the "cheap" "easy" "lazy" option should have a read of the link I posted further up the thread.

I think it's more a case of him being the "obvious" and "logical" appointment. I'm very much in Wilder's camp now!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on May 21, 2021, 01:55:46 PM
Has anyone thought that some of these names may not want the job? We haven't shown any long term faith in previous managers. It's all very well asking for certain guarantee's but I wouldn't trust this lot with my last £5.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Baggies on May 21, 2021, 01:59:16 PM
I know It would be sacrilege for some but I'd take Nuno in a heartbeat. No compo either.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: lewisant on May 21, 2021, 02:08:05 PM
I know It would be sacrilege for some but I'd take Nuno in a heartbeat. No compo either.

100% would be another good option but no Portugese billionaire backing here!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggieboy79 on May 21, 2021, 02:18:55 PM
Nuno to Spurs maybe?  I would love him at the Baggies but i can't ever see it happening.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: PartisanBaggie on May 21, 2021, 02:23:58 PM
Nuno to Spurs maybe?  I would love him at the Baggies but i can't ever see it happening.

Go and give your hands a good wash after typing that post!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Baggies on May 21, 2021, 02:35:33 PM
Nuno to Spurs maybe?  I would love him at the Baggies but i can't ever see it happening.

Have seen Sun journalists asking the question but I have my doubts, doesn't fit the profile of manager Levy has said he wants.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggiemart on May 21, 2021, 02:35:55 PM
Be careful what you wish for. Just heard  Nuno is leaving Wolves.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: saml30 on May 21, 2021, 02:37:26 PM
Be careful what you wish for. Just heard  Nuno is leaving Wolves.

He’s seen the light
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 21, 2021, 02:38:17 PM
Nuno aint coming here  ;D
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: liverbaggie on May 21, 2021, 02:39:12 PM
Bielsa?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 21, 2021, 02:45:29 PM
Bielsa?

What about him?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 21, 2021, 02:53:08 PM
David Wagner in the running too

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/david-wagner-joins-race-west-24157273

Edit - on a free so fits the criteria.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Mooncat on May 21, 2021, 02:54:29 PM
Quote
David Wagner in the running too
Knowing us we'll probably appoint Wagner from X-Factor instead  :P
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 21, 2021, 02:55:16 PM
Knowing us we'll probably appoint Wagner from X-Factor instead  :P


Don't!!  ;D   Easy mistake for the top blokes in charge to make.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 21, 2021, 02:59:55 PM
Nuno aint coming here  ;D

Shouldn't be surprised by anything that's posted on here, but every now and again... BAM.

 :-\
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 21, 2021, 03:06:06 PM
Shouldn't be surprised by anything that's posted on here, but every now and again... BAM.

 :-\

 ;D

Wishful thinking indeed. He's too good for Lai and co.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: alex1 on May 21, 2021, 03:26:39 PM
I don't see it happening in a million years as he's at a much higher level than we are, but I would love to see someone like Peter Bosz at the club. I know its not realistic, it's more of a dream appointment for me. A strong attacking/possession/pressing style and a good eye for talent. That's the sort of football and coach I wish we could appoint.
Blimey, someone on my wavelength. Peter Bosz is streets ahead of anyone mentioned on here. A succesful period at Ajax and then sacked at Bayer Leverkusen just because they dropped out of the Champions League spots. He plays attacking football through the midfield and his teams are high scoring. Mind, he would have a job getting our current squad to perform in that manner, but no doubt he would bring in couple of players who could make a big difference.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 21, 2021, 03:32:22 PM
Blimey, someone on my wavelength. Peter Bosz is streets ahead of anyone mentioned on here. A succesful period at Ajax and then sacked at Bayer Leverkusen just because they dropped out of the Champions League spots. He plays attacking football through the midfield and his teams are high scoring. Mind, he would have a job getting our current squad to perform in that manner, but no doubt he would bring in couple of players who could make a big difference.

The issue isn't wavelength, it's just a totally unrealistic prospect/suggestion.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Baggies on May 21, 2021, 03:39:48 PM
Nuno aint coming here  ;D

Highly unlikely, but then journalists and posters alike are talking about Frank Lampard, who has just left Chelsea and who has by all accounts turned down a mid table premier league club.

In that sense, talking about a bloke who has probably been asked to go due to a poor season at the Wolves isn't completely far fetched.

I personally think he will end up going abroad or to a mid table prem side.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 21, 2021, 03:42:19 PM
Highly unlikely, but then journalists and posters alike are talking about Frank Lampard, who has just left Chelsea and who has by all accounts turned down a mid table premier league club.

In that sense, talking about a bloke who has probably been asked to go due to a poor season at the Wolves isn't completely far fetched.

I personally think he will end up going abroad or to a mid table prem side.

I can't see Lampard coming here either mate. Nuno will be snapped up before a ball is kicked I'd imagine. We only get Lampard if no one else wants him.

If Lampards turned down Palace why would he come to us? I can't get my head round it
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Baggies on May 21, 2021, 03:47:10 PM
I can't see Lampard coming here either mate. Nuno will be snapped up before a ball is kicked I'd imagine. We only get Lampard if no one else wants him.

If Lampards turned down Palace why would he come to us? I can't get my head round it

It is all purely speculative- we already know Wilder looks nailed on
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: NJS on May 21, 2021, 03:51:38 PM
There's no need to rush is there?

At the end of the season a lot of managers will be coming free.  If we hang on we might get Steve Bruce!
Oh get a move on and appoint Wilder quickly.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 21, 2021, 03:52:27 PM
It is all purely speculative- we already know Wilder looks nailed on

I hope not. I hope we are considering all our options instead of bull rushing into Wilder.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: lewisant on May 21, 2021, 03:55:28 PM
Nuno is off to bigger things I imagine.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: hardtobeat on May 21, 2021, 03:58:45 PM
Remember Nuno  saying how hard he’d found lockdown ,hadn’t seen wife and kids for a long time , they were in Portugal I believe so it could be he’s going to just take some time out
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 21, 2021, 04:01:07 PM
Nuno is off to bigger things I imagine.


He's not leaving Wolves to step down to the EFL I'm sure of it.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 21, 2021, 04:03:43 PM
There's no need to rush is there?
It depends whether or not you want Dowling unilaterally making the decisons about which players to retain?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SirTonyM on May 21, 2021, 04:03:52 PM
I think in part it's a style of football thing, which is fair enough.

Also - and perhaps I'm just speaking for myself as I know many will have done due diligence on those lower league managers - but with Wilder generally we've had a lot more exposure to him as a Prem manager and one we ourselves have competed against often over the past few years. So it's easier to criticise him given we have a lot more knowledge of how he operates. I'm not championing Appleton/Robins etc but also not criticising them as I haven't done my homework yet.

This is a fair point. I think sometimes narratives start to snowball and you just need to pull them apart. People said Wilders a dinosaur and his footballs terrible just doesn’t seem to be true for his whole career. Just like I don’t think Allardyce is the same as Pulis. Wilder made players better Stevens, O’Connell, Fleck, Lundstrum, Basham etc. People saying he got lucky having Dean Henderson, one other way of looking at it is he was able to get him to Sheff Utd in the first place. While we are on the subject of goalkeepers I would say Pulis was lucky he had Foster during his tenure....
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: jimmyj on May 21, 2021, 04:19:31 PM
David Wagner in the running too

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/david-wagner-joins-race-west-24157273

Edit - on a free so fits the criteria.

That's an interesting choice. Was Wagner the one where Everton fancied him which led to his demise, or am I thinking of someone else?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: smethwickw on May 21, 2021, 04:23:07 PM
Sheff Utd got 54 points last season. We’ve never got anywhere near that. You can’t put this all down to the keeper either. He was nowhere near the top of the saves table. I’m not that excited by Wilder but his record is very good.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Dan on May 21, 2021, 04:23:20 PM
It is all purely speculative- we already know Wilder looks nailed on

I wouldn't be so sure about this, wasn't his big argument and ultimate downfall with Sheffield United that they wanted to appoint a director of football? Can't see why he would then accept us while we still have one.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: PartisanBaggie on May 21, 2021, 04:24:41 PM
That's an interesting choice. Was Wagner the one where Everton fancied him which led to his demise, or am I thinking of someone else?

Wagner turned us down after Big Dave was sacked. Wasn’t interested in coming to the Albion at all and publicly said so.

It’s a NO from me. Especially when I think about the garbage football the Terriers played under him. That 1-2 loss at he Hawthorn’s during the 17/18 season was the lowest point for me. Huddersfield were **** and we still couldn’t beat them.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Baggies on May 21, 2021, 04:26:58 PM
That's an interesting choice. Was Wagner the one where Everton fancied him which led to his demise, or am I thinking of someone else?

That was Silva
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 21, 2021, 04:29:31 PM
Sheff Utd got 54 points last season. We’ve never got anywhere near that. You can’t put this all down to the keeper either. He was nowhere near the top of the saves table. I’m not that excited by Wilder but his record is very good.

As we know from bitter experience, topping the saves table does not a good, commanding, competent goalkeeper make...
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: alex1 on May 21, 2021, 04:29:55 PM
Wagner turned us down after Big Dave was sacked. Wasn’t interested in coming to the Albion at all and publicly said so.

It’s a NO from me.
Was a flop at his last job Schalke and helped them on their way to relegation. Has been out of work ever since.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Baggies on May 21, 2021, 04:30:54 PM
I wouldn't be so sure about this, wasn't his big argument and ultimate downfall with Sheffield United that they wanted to appoint a director of football? Can't see why he would then accept us while we still have one.

I tend to think if that was the case he would have said no immediately. As it happens  posters like baggie79 called his appointment a few weeks ago, Joe Masi at the E and S said Albion are very interested last week and John Percy said yesterday contact had already been made prior to the announcement, so unless both sides have seriously failed to do their due diligence, I'd say the conversations will more be about how much freedom he can negotiate.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 21, 2021, 04:35:32 PM
David Wagner in the running too

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/david-wagner-joins-race-west-24157273

Edit - on a free so fits the criteria.

I don't know, you take your eyes off this thread for an hour or so and you're 22 replies out of date.

I wouldn't mind Wagner.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: rons on May 21, 2021, 05:16:57 PM
Wagner was rubbish at Shake the football was non existent. A no from me.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: WBA.R.K on May 21, 2021, 05:18:49 PM
I wouldn't be so sure about this, wasn't his big argument and ultimate downfall with Sheffield United that they wanted to appoint a director of football? Can't see why he would then accept us while we still have one.

I can imagine Dowling would rollover for a strong personality, like with Sam.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SC_Baggie on May 21, 2021, 06:01:02 PM
Would you take Nuno?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Mister AT on May 21, 2021, 06:04:43 PM
Would you take Nuno?

Complete non starter.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SC_Baggie on May 21, 2021, 06:18:28 PM
I can't see Lampard coming here either mate. Nuno will be snapped up before a ball is kicked I'd imagine. We only get Lampard if no one else wants him.

If Lampards turned down Palace why would he come to us? I can't get my head round it

It’s possible that he could consider WBA a better job. Chance to build for a season and get wins in the championship where he did decently at Derby. As opposed to Palace which are in a massive rebuild and will almost certainly be in a relegation scrap next year.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: liverbaggie on May 21, 2021, 06:19:23 PM
Hey Jack, I hope your well
It seems that Bielsa will make up his mind whether he stays after our game with Leeds, he's a tough guy and what we need but would he come to us?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: EastYorksAlbion on May 21, 2021, 06:25:48 PM
No way Nuno would come to us, and not sure it would work without the superagent and dodgy dealings, however, it would be amazing just for howls of anguish from the dogheads.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: PartisanBaggie on May 21, 2021, 06:27:08 PM
Would you take Nuno?

**** NO!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: OhBilics on May 21, 2021, 06:29:47 PM
Bielsa
Not a chance I wouldn't think.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 21, 2021, 06:33:08 PM
It’s possible that he could consider WBA a better job. Chance to build for a season and get wins in the championship where he did decently at Derby. As opposed to Palace which are in a massive rebuild and will almost certainly be in a relegation scrap next year.


He did well at Derby because he had good players on loan. If he can pull those strings again but i think he's bang average in my, limited, experience of him.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: OhBilics on May 21, 2021, 06:37:51 PM
Don't really care who it is as such. The attributes of the man are more important than the name in my opinion. I can't think of anyone who I think fits what I'd like to see and would want to join us.

Unless it's someone obvious like Wilder, who the press seem to have appointed already, I can see us getting someone way out of left-field. Either foreign and so lesser known here, or from the lower leagues (i.e. cheap). I could also see us taking on one of our ex managers again too, someone like RDM or Big Dave (wait - am I allowed to say "Big" Dave?), who have been somewhat successful in the past with us.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 21, 2021, 07:07:30 PM
I'm convinced that Wilder is a done deal and will be announced as soon as season is completed, although I hope I am wrong.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: hardtobeat on May 21, 2021, 07:09:08 PM
Wilder out to 5/4 from 8/13 on sky bet according to oddschecker  :o :o :o
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: DevonInStripes on May 21, 2021, 07:34:06 PM
Amazed that so many want Chris Wilder . So what if we appoint him ,and he tries to resign Burke ? Will those of you who want him still say he’s the right choice ?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on May 21, 2021, 07:37:23 PM
Amazed that so many want Chris Wilder . So what if we appoint him ,and he tries to resign Burke ? Will those of you who want him still say he’s the right choice ?

If he gets a tune out of him yes  ;D

Seriously though as Joe Masi pointed out why are people judging him on one really poor season out of 20
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 21, 2021, 07:56:21 PM
Amazed that so many want Chris Wilder . So what if we appoint him ,and he tries to resign Burke ? Will those of you who want him still say he’s the right choice ?

He spent £18.5m on Arron Ramsdale who is terrible. He also spent:

Rhian Brewster - £23.4m (bags of potential but ruined in their ultra defensive shape and tactics)
Oli McBurnie - £20m (average championship striker)
Sander Berge - £22m (average championship midfielder)
Lys Mousset - £10m (again I think he is a dangerous player but another striker in the Sheff Utd graveyard)
Ben Osborn - £5m (I don't even know who he is)

If Luke Downing had the above record he'd have been murdered by now.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 21, 2021, 07:59:14 PM
Seriously though as Joe Masi pointed out why are people judging him on one really poor season out of 20

Since promotion in the premier league Sheff Utd managed to score just 58 goals in 73 games and he spent over £50m on strikers. That is not a blip. It is a failure, his tactics and the way he sets his team up were not sustainable in the premiership, they would have been relegated in the first season had they had Aarson Ramsdale who he spent £18.5m on in goal instead of Dean Henderson.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on May 21, 2021, 08:38:22 PM
Since promotion in the premier league Sheff Utd managed to score just 58 goals in 73 games and he spent over £50m on strikers. That is not a blip. It is a failure, his tactics and the way he sets his team up were not sustainable in the premiership, they would have been relegated in the first season had they had Aarson Ramsdale who he spent £18.5m on in goal instead of Dean Henderson.

We're not in the Premier league
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Albertbaggie on May 21, 2021, 08:54:08 PM
Amazed that so many want Chris Wilder . So what if we appoint him ,and he tries to resign Burke ? Will those of you who want him still say he’s the right choice ?
Amazed so many are judging him based in him signing Burke.
As records go, not sure we'd get anyone better.
We can all point to poor signings he has made, but he also signed the excellent Jack O'Connell. John Fleck, George Baldock, Enda Stevens etc were all very good too.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: alex1 on May 21, 2021, 09:16:19 PM
Amazed so many are judging him based in him signing Burke.
As records go, not sure we'd get anyone better.
We can all point to poor signings he has made, but he also signed the excellent Jack O'Connell. John Fleck, George Baldock, Enda Stevens etc were all very good too.
John Fleck is the only one out of those I've heard of, so I doubt Sheff Utd would be where they finished if they were that good. The fact remains, people criticise Billic or Allardyce or both, but they achieved considerably more than Chris Wilder, but we are apparently in for him.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: tambag on May 21, 2021, 09:18:30 PM
https://twitter.com/RobDorsettSky/status/1395834523733139456?s=19

Four on the list. Wagner, Cooper and Lampard added to Wilder
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie96 on May 21, 2021, 09:22:31 PM
Lampard or Cooper would be perfect, wilder has a great record but doesn’t suit the squad. Please no to Wagner, awful for schalke.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 21, 2021, 09:23:40 PM
https://twitter.com/RobDorsettSky/status/1395834523733139456?s=19

Four on the list. Wagner, Cooper and Lampard added to Wilder

I don't believe that for a minute, I've seen several people on SM claim Wilder is a done deal. Everything else is just lip service.

Hope they're (I'm) wrong.

Of those 4 I'd only really want Cooper. So come on Barnsley!!  :D
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on May 21, 2021, 09:25:14 PM
I don't believe that for a minute, I've seen several people on SM claim Wilder is a done deal. Everything else is just lip service.

Hope they're (I'm) wrong.

Of those 4 I'd only really want Cooper. So come on Barnsley!!  :D

Be very happy with Cooper but can't see us paying compo
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Atomic on May 21, 2021, 09:28:38 PM
I'm starting to come round to Lampard as number one option of those visibly available.

Timing can be everything. I just think he suits us and we'd suit him. Right man, right time.

Cant really find a negative. Prem experience with Chelsea, got Derby to play offs in his first managerial job with lesser resources than we have (look at how they have fallen since).

Young, hungry, respected figure in the game.

Looks the perfect fit.

He'd be my first choice.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 21, 2021, 09:31:41 PM
We're not in the Premier league

Weeeeelllll we are for another two days.

Sorry!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: tambag on May 21, 2021, 09:51:21 PM
I don't believe that for a minute, I've seen several people on SM claim Wilder is a done deal. Everything else is just lip service.

Hope they're (I'm) wrong.

Of those 4 I'd only really want Cooper. So come on Barnsley!!  :D

Same here I want Cooper, a proper head coach with a good style of football
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Oldbury24 on May 21, 2021, 09:58:21 PM
I'm starting to come round to Lampard as number one option of those visibly available.

Timing can be everything. I just think he suits us and we'd suit him. Right man, right time.

Cant really find a negative. Prem experience with Chelsea, got Derby to play offs in his first managerial job with lesser resources than we have (look at how they have fallen since).

Young, hungry, respected figure in the game.

Looks the perfect fit.

He'd be my first choice.

Why would he come here? Did his time in the Champ out in the provinces with Derby.  Surely he'll be looking for a PL gig or at least a London club. 
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: saml30 on May 21, 2021, 10:01:34 PM
He spent £18.5m on Arron Ramsdale who is terrible. He also spent:

Rhian Brewster - £23.4m (bags of potential but ruined in their ultra defensive shape and tactics)
Oli McBurnie - £20m (average championship striker)
Sander Berge - £22m (average championship midfielder)
Lys Mousset - £10m (again I think he is a dangerous player but another striker in the Sheff Utd graveyard)
Ben Osborn - £5m (I don't even know who he is)

If Luke Downing had the above record he'd have been murdered by now.

Matter of opinion I suppose, I think Ramsdale is pretty good and if I remember rightly a lot of people of here wanted to sign him to replace SJ so if the transfer had happened people would now be crucifying Downing for doing what people wanted (sometimes the guy can’t win) The same with Brewster, after the end to the season he had in the Championship with Swansea, similar to Grady & Grant, I don’t think anyone could have envisaged him being as poor as he has been, I’d 100% have him her next season if given the choice. Berge is also a hell of a lot better than what we have and is pretty young. I suppose my only gripe is the cost of the players but sometimes in football these days it’s what you have to pay to get your targets I for one don’t really pay much attention to actual transfer fees since the whole neymar to PSG rubbish
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Atomic on May 21, 2021, 10:10:18 PM
Why would he come here? Did his time in the Champ out in the provinces with Derby.  Surely he'll be looking for a PL gig or at least a London club.

Why would Bilic have come here? Or Di Mateo? You make it sound like we are a xxxx job. We arent.

Albion are an attractive club in the Championship and why not come to a club like us and potentially gain a promotion and an upward curve? Better than joining a Palace or a Burnley and risk pigeon holing yourself as a bottom six Prem manager at such a young age.

The more I look at it the more I think Lampard should be determined to get our job, if he has ambition. He'd have a great chance of promotion which can only boost his CV.



Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: alex1 on May 21, 2021, 10:31:00 PM
https://twitter.com/RobDorsettSky/status/1395834523733139456?s=19

Four on the list. Wagner, Cooper and Lampard added to Wilder
People reading my posts will know I've been pushing for a German or continental manager, so what do we do, consider the one who has been a complete flop. Wagner set a new club record for Schalke going 18 games without a win, including a 0-8 battering v Bayern. True, the next series of Schalke managers couldn't stop their relegation, and they finished further adrift than Sheff Utd. But what is it that attracts the club to these super non-achievers?

At the same time we have Edin Terzic who got Borussia Dortmund to the Champions League quarter final, won the German Cup, who is available. And he even meets Allardce's criteria of having worked in England as he was assistant to Bilic at West Ham.   
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Albertbaggie on May 21, 2021, 10:33:28 PM
He spent £18.5m on Arron Ramsdale who is terrible. He also spent:

Rhian Brewster - £23.4m (bags of potential but ruined in their ultra defensive shape and tactics)
Oli McBurnie - £20m (average championship striker)
Sander Berge - £22m (average championship midfielder)
Lys Mousset - £10m (again I think he is a dangerous player but another striker in the Sheff Utd graveyard)
Ben Osborn - £5m (I don't even know who he is)

If Luke Downing had the above record he'd have been murdered by now.
Ramsdale has been the form keeper of the last 2 months, Berge is signing for Arsenal. Brewster has had a bad year. McBurnie is not 'an average' Championship striker. Did well at that level.
Three promotions, nothing wrong with Wilder. Sure some transfers are poor ... all managers have mixed transfer records. If you think we are better than managers like him, Wagner, and Lampard, good luck to you.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: BaggieNick on May 21, 2021, 10:58:16 PM
Let's face it, Wilder has as much chance as any manager of taking us up - there are a number I'd back. We'll be back to being a BIg Fish after all.

Big question is is would he be able to make us stick? I don't think so.

Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 21, 2021, 11:04:01 PM
John Fleck is the only one out of those I've heard of, so I doubt Sheff Utd would be where they finished if they were that good. The fact remains, people criticise Billic or Allardyce or both, but they achieved considerably more than Chris Wilder, but we are apparently in for him.

That says more about you than the players in question who have been an integral part of Sheff United success over the last few years.

The three defenders that were mentioned would more than likely walk into our side.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: frazzle on May 21, 2021, 11:07:30 PM
Cooper my favourite. But Cooper, Wilder and Lampard all pretty good options for me.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 21, 2021, 11:18:46 PM
https://twitter.com/RobDorsettSky/status/1395834523733139456?s=19

Four on the list. Wagner, Cooper and Lampard added to Wilder

Out of these 4, I would love Cooper..

I really do not want Wagner and I think the romance story at Huddersfield often covers some of the terrible football they played.

There are notable concerns about Wilder.

Lampard just seems fanciful in my eyes
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: BaggieNick on May 21, 2021, 11:22:09 PM
Out of these 4, I would love Cooper..

I really do not want Wagner and I think the romance story at Huddersfield often covers some of the terrible football they played.

There are notable concerns about Wilder.

Lampard just seems fanciful in my eyes

The fanciful Lampard for me followed by Cooper.

Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: DevonInStripes on May 21, 2021, 11:29:48 PM
Of the four supposedly on the shortlist , it’s Lampard for me . We almost certainly are going to have several loans next season and I think Frank’s connections should prove more than useful!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 21, 2021, 11:49:14 PM
Lampard, Lampard, Lampard. what was the fourth choice?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Standaman on May 21, 2021, 11:53:48 PM
Taking the Dorsett tweet at face value this is my order of preference to scale

1. Cooper




2 Wilder

3 Wagner



4 Random fan picked by a lottery gets to take the team for a week



5 Frank Lampard

Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: tambag on May 22, 2021, 12:06:47 AM
Taking the Dorsett tweet at face value this is my order of preference to scale

1. Cooper




2 Wilder

3 Wagner



4 Random fan picked by a lottery gets to take the team for a week



5 Frank Lampard

I would swap 3 & 4 around  :)
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: alex1 on May 22, 2021, 12:07:39 AM
https://twitter.com/RobDorsettSky/status/1395834523733139456?s=19

Four on the list. Wagner, Cooper and Lampard added to Wilder
If that really is the short list, and how reliable Dorsett is I don't know, I would go for Lampard without a doubt. Yes, we would have to put up with being Frank Lampard's West Brom, but it would make us higher profile, which should attract better players. Also, Lampard's teams play good expansive football, where I don't believe flair players would be stifled. Much rather that, than wondering if we were ever going to score, as I fear would be the case with Wilder. 
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Standaman on May 22, 2021, 12:33:17 AM
Never ever take the big name former player who has been fast tracked to the top and now is on his way back down. It is not just irritating that we become known as Frank Lampard's West Brom  like some sort designer brand it's down right annoying when the designer brand is no more designer than some cheap knock off emanating from a lock up in Peckham.

 
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: loucanova on May 22, 2021, 01:20:37 AM
I couldn’t see Cooper leaving Swansea for Albion even if they fail in the play-offs and we were willing to pay the compensation(which I doubt we would be willing to do). Why would he want to leave what looks to me like a much better run club than Albion is at the present time.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Baggie79 on May 22, 2021, 06:59:18 AM
He spent £18.5m on Arron Ramsdale who is terrible. He also spent:

Rhian Brewster - £23.4m (bags of potential but ruined in their ultra defensive shape and tactics)
Oli McBurnie - £20m (average championship striker)
Sander Berge - £22m (average championship midfielder)
Lys Mousset - £10m (again I think he is a dangerous player but another striker in the Sheff Utd graveyard)
Ben Osborn - £5m (I don't even know who he is)

If Luke Downing had the above record he'd have been murdered by now.

No he didn't, it aint 1984 anymore, managers/head coaches have very little say in transfers and they certainly dont have the final say above the club. Also Wilder has had one poor season in his entire career which seems an amazing record to me.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Atomic on May 22, 2021, 07:27:48 AM
No he didn't, it aint 1984 anymore, managers/head coaches have very little say in transfers and they certainly dont have the final say above the club. Also Wilder has had one poor season in his entire career which seems an amazing record to me.

I was just about to post similar mate.

People are going on about Wilder's poor signings but none of us know how much say he had in any of them. I dont know how Sheff Utd operate but at a number of clubs the head coach can have very little input in transfers.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SC_Baggie on May 22, 2021, 08:19:59 AM
Cooper is the oldest looking 41 year old in the world.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on May 22, 2021, 08:26:04 AM
Masi reporting Alex Neil on the list  :o :(
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 22, 2021, 08:40:38 AM
Masi reporting Alex Neil on the list  :o :(

Not at all surprised

He’s out of work so compensation
He was close to getting the job before we opted for Shan
He is familiar on working with tight budgets and maximising resources
He’s not going to shout and scream the place down

Thinking about it - he ticks a lot of boxes.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Atomic on May 22, 2021, 08:43:37 AM
Masi didnt say Neil is on the list. He said Albion are finalising their list of candidates to speak to. Masi said Neil has a promotion on his CV and that's something that is likely to interest Albion.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Standaman on May 22, 2021, 08:46:41 AM
In terms of transfers in general and Wilder in particular there is a range of influence that the Head Coach has over transfers. In general English clubs still give their Head Coaches more influence over transfers than clubs on the continent.

It is reported that Conte was particularly keen to come to England because of this difference it is unfortunate for him that he went to Chelsea which is probably the club that gives the Head Coach the least say on transfers. Had he gone to Man U he would have much greater influence and probably at the very least a veto on signings. 

Under Pulis our transfer business was generally instigated by the Head Coach the Director of Football and the recruitment team did the leg work but Pulis was largely responsible for identifying targets. We have progressed somewhat from that model but it is very obvious we lean on the Head Coach more than most for input on transfers.   

Of all the Head Coaches in the Premier League Wilder has had the most say in transfers. This in part stems from the club's League 1 days where along with most clubs at that level the manager was the sole arbiter on transfers because there simply aren't the personnel to do anything else.

For good or bad the transfers that happened on Wilders watch are his transfers. Yes he is constrained by budget everyone is but they are his. This matters here because we lean heavily on the Head Coach for input on transfers although not solely.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggiejohn on May 22, 2021, 08:49:38 AM
Masi reporting Alex Neil on the list  :o :(


If you're referring to this morning's online E & S article, Masi isn't confirming anything.

He's referenced a bookies list & mentioned Howe & Neil meet SA's recommendations that the candidate should have promotion to the EPL on their CV.

SA has also explained his reasons why he thinks an overseas manager who has not worked in Britain would be a risky appointment.

If it's  a risk averse appointment, Wilder ticks most of the boxes.


Read more here.............
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2021/05/22/west-brom-finalising-shortlist-for-managerial-role/ (https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2021/05/22/west-brom-finalising-shortlist-for-managerial-role/)
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Pie on May 22, 2021, 09:14:36 AM
big NO to Wagner. Plays terrible football and has acheived nothing but embarresment since his promotion with Huddersfield several years ago.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: mulliganstired on May 22, 2021, 09:28:15 AM
I can't see it being anyone but Wilder, it's like Allardyce and Dowling wrote a job description for him.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Standaman on May 22, 2021, 09:34:58 AM
Looking at the betting market Wilder is the very clear favorite.

It is interesting to note that for the most part the four reported on by Rob Dorsett have all come in a bit in general Cooper can still be had for 40/1 Wagner 25/1 and Lampard at 16/1 if the market believed that this was a genuine four man shortlist the prices would be a lot shorter. John Terry lurks ominously around the 7/1 mark. 

If Allardyce has been asked about his successor it is alarming but unfortunately par for the course. However if his advice is followed it precludes a few of the absolutely dreadful options but equally some of the more attractive ones as well. No surprise that Allardyce likes the experienced and British options best.

It really is Wilder's job to turn down isn't it?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 22, 2021, 09:36:23 AM
Terry ruled out

"Joseph Masi
@JosephMasi_Star
Just for absolute clarity, this story is confirming John Terry is NOT on Albion's shortlist #wba"
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 22, 2021, 09:38:26 AM
Terry ruled out

"Joseph Masi
@JosephMasi_Star
Just for absolute clarity, this story is confirming John Terry is NOT on Albion's shortlist #wba"

Well that’s a relief..
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Standaman on May 22, 2021, 09:39:53 AM
Terry ruled out

"Joseph Masi
@JosephMasi_Star
Just for absolute clarity, this story is confirming John Terry is NOT on Albion's shortlist #wba"

Bullet dodged there and maybe some sign of intelligent life at the club. The article also rules out Wagner (note to Masi if you have to tweet out clarifications to an article maybe you need to have a look at your writing style) which I had missed on first glance.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Atomic on May 22, 2021, 09:56:07 AM
I'd ignore any moves in betting markets. Twenty quid would probably change a price. I wouldnt take any notice of it at all.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: hardtobeat on May 22, 2021, 10:02:05 AM
Terry ruled out

"Joseph Masi
@JosephMasi_Star
Just for absolute clarity, this story is confirming John Terry is NOT on Albion's shortlist #wba"
If that’s true it’s another dose of short sightedness from the club .He should at the very least make any shortlist drawn up.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Mo on May 22, 2021, 10:03:01 AM

If you're referring to this morning's online E & S article, Masi isn't confirming anything.

He's referenced a bookies list & mentioned Howe & Neil meet SA's recommendations that the candidate should have promotion to the EPL on their CV.

SA has also explained his reasons why he thinks an overseas manager who has not worked in Britain would be a risky appointment.

If it's  a risk averse appointment, Wilder ticks most of the boxes.


Read more here.............
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2021/05/22/west-brom-finalising-shortlist-for-managerial-role/ (https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2021/05/22/west-brom-finalising-shortlist-for-managerial-role/)

Nice for Big Sam to have an input and offer his advice but this falls into Dowlings remit he should have an idea of who he wants next and act upon it .
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie38 on May 22, 2021, 10:03:10 AM
If that’s true it’s another dose of short sightedness from the club .He should at the very least make any shortlist drawn up.

But why?! Never coached a side before and has a massive ego. Should be avoided at all costs.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Standaman on May 22, 2021, 10:13:13 AM
I'd ignore any moves in betting markets. Twenty quid would probably change a price. I wouldnt take any notice of it at all.

Agree with this but it does say something about the general level of faith that people have in Rob Dorsett's reporting. If I had some level of belief in the validity of Dorsett's claim then I would almost certainly place a £20 bet at 40/1 on Cooper even acknowledging that he might be the rank outsider of the 4 and have not more than a 5% chance of getting the job. I haven't placed such a bet because the probability is that Dorsett's claim is uninformed twaddle.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: hardtobeat on May 22, 2021, 10:27:44 AM
But why?! Never coached a side before and has a massive ego. Should be avoided at all costs.
Blokes a winner , think his title involves the word coach, big part of Villas improvement over the last couple of years , must be learning off a coach that has done well at Championship level , will almost certainly have good contacts and knowledge of players (Traore) , nobody had a bigger ego than Atkinson and he did ok when he was here. Seems to me in reality that most that wouldn’t consider Terry on here wouldn’t because of personal dislike not footballing reasons fine get that I didn’t still don’t like Allardyce but people on here keep telling me he would have got us up ? On pure footballing grounds there is no reason Terry should not be on or close to a shortlist. There are plenty coaches in sin similar position to Terry that folk on here would be creaming themselves over if they were to be touted
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Albertbaggie on May 22, 2021, 11:03:02 AM
Blokes a winner , think his title involves the word coach, big part of Villas improvement over the last couple of years , must be learning off a coach that has done well at Championship level , will almost certainly have good contacts and knowledge of players (Traore) , nobody had a bigger ego than Atkinson and he did ok when he was here. Seems to me in reality that most that wouldn’t consider Terry on here wouldn’t because of personal dislike not footballing reasons fine get that I didn’t still don’t like Allardyce but people on here keep telling me he would have got us up ? On pure footballing grounds there is no reason Terry should not be on or close to a shortlist. There are plenty coaches in sin similar position to Terry that folk on here would be creaming themselves over if they were to be touted
Really? They were awful until Craig Shakespeare went there. Would rather have Shakey.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggiejohn on May 22, 2021, 11:53:51 AM
Blokes a winner , think his title involves the word coach, big part of Villas improvement over the last couple of years , must be learning off a coach that has done well at Championship level , will almost certainly have good contacts and knowledge of players (Traore) , nobody had a bigger ego than Atkinson and he did ok when he was here. Seems to me in reality that most that wouldn’t consider Terry on here wouldn’t because of personal dislike not footballing reasons fine get that I didn’t still don’t like Allardyce but people on here keep telling me he would have got us up ? On pure footballing grounds there is no reason Terry should not be on or close to a shortlist. There are plenty coaches in sin similar position to Terry that folk on here would be creaming themselves over if they were to be touted

Appreciate what you're saying & I probably would want to speak to him, even if it's only to sound him out for a potential future appointment.

The criteria for this immediate position is starting to filter through & it looks as though JT doesn't meet it as well as some of the other candidates at the moment.

The outstanding candidate against the criteria appears to be Wilder, problem with that is he's in a position to dictate his price.
If we can't agree terms, then the other candidates come into play.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Standaman on May 22, 2021, 12:02:07 PM
There is no upside to us to offering the big name ex-player a job particularly their first Head Coach position. If they don't turn out to be much use at coaching we find out the hard way and always at the expense of a Coach who does have a track record. We then get to sack them and get all negative blowback from their cheerleaders in the media.

 However if they do well they are quickly touted for a role more befitting their status in particular if there is a vacancy where they were "Captain Leader and Legend"  well that's it game over for ------'s West Brom.

If you never make this type of appointment you almost never lose anything.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggiejohn on May 22, 2021, 12:24:07 PM
There is no upside to us to offering the big name ex-player a job particularly their first Head Coach position. If they don't turn out to be much use at coaching we find out the hard way and always at the expense of a Coach who does have a track record. We then get to sack them and get all negative blowback from their cheerleaders in the media.

 However if they do well they are quickly touted for a role more befitting their status in particular if there is a vacancy where they were "Captain Leader and Legend"  well that's it game over for ------'s West Brom.

If you never make this type of appointment you almost never lose anything.


I don't think JT would be my first choice, but I think I would like to talk to him.

Interviews are supposed to be two way streets, we might like Wilder, but he might not like us.
In my experience you always have to have the back-up candidates.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Standaman on May 22, 2021, 01:13:10 PM

I don't think JT would be my first choice, but I think I would like to talk to him.

Interviews are supposed to be two way streets, we might like Wilder, but he might not like us.
In my experience you always have to have the back-up candidates.

Yes but the back up should be a coach with a track record something that you can probe figure out a tactical fit etc.......
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: hardtobeat on May 22, 2021, 01:25:43 PM
Yes but the back up should be a coach with a track record something that you can probe figure out a tactical fit etc.......
Isnt that what interviews are for ?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: NJS on May 22, 2021, 01:28:55 PM
John Terry was given a big splash in the Times today:

>Wants to manage a club but it has to be decent sized.

>Loved being at Villa - but he will always be rooting for Chelsea.

>Has learnt so much from Dean [Smith] - (possibly how to spend money like water and get a mid-table return)

I think that's three and out, yes?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Dexy on May 22, 2021, 01:33:37 PM
Nailed on for Wilder , I think its his to turn down .
Appealing as stale bread to me but has my support If the jobs his .
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SmethDan on May 22, 2021, 01:41:01 PM
Does anyone have the remotest idea of John Terry's abilities as a coach, how he sets teams up or his ability to make in game tactical changes or substitutions? I haven't searched online so I don't know. Does anyone know how he rates as a man manager or how he operates in the transfer market?

If nobody can answer those questions then those suggesting John Terry as our prospective new head coach are taking a leap of faith based on nothing stronger than his name, being Dean Smiths assistant and being the bloke who stood behind RDM on a touchline in a Champions League Final.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on May 22, 2021, 01:42:08 PM
John Terry was given a big splash in the Times today:

>Wants to manage a club but it has to be decent sized.

>Loved being at Villa - but he will always be rooting for Chelsea.

>Has learnt so much from Dean [Smith] - (possibly how to spend money like water and get a mid-table return)

I think that's three and out, yes?

I know i'm probably in the minority here and maybe its old fashioned (i'm only 40 mind). But i don't want utter scumbags at my club. Giggs for example. You offer me Giggs as Manager and tell me we'd win the league, i'd honestly say no.

If the club doesn't stand for something good, it might as well not exist. For me at least.

Don't want Terry anywhere near the club ever. He's a stain of a person
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Atomic on May 22, 2021, 01:56:57 PM
I wouldnt want Terry for the simple reason he's had absolutely no experience of being a manager, regardless of anything else.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: loucanova on May 22, 2021, 02:27:53 PM
Not sure he’d be interested but anyone else think Craig Shakespeare would be worth considering
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: KN22 on May 22, 2021, 02:29:01 PM
Appreciate what you're saying & I probably would want to speak to him, even if it's only to sound him out for a potential future appointment.

The criteria for this immediate position is starting to filter through & it looks as though JT doesn't meet it as well as some of the other candidates at the moment.

The outstanding candidate against the criteria appears to be Wilder, problem with that is he's in a position to dictate his price.
If we can't agree terms, then the other candidates come into play.

This is key and seems to being ignored by many. He was on £4m per annum at Sheffield. Unless he softens demands he won’t come here!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Baggie79 on May 22, 2021, 03:04:56 PM
It will be sensible wages with a very big bonus for promotion. Similar to SA's sensible wages with a big staying up bonus.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: wbasoprano on May 22, 2021, 03:13:15 PM
Nailed on for Wilder , I think its his to turn down .
Appealing as stale bread to me but has my support If the jobs his .

Haha absolutely nailed it. Doesn't excite me one bit but will get behind him if he gets the job, yes.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: mulliganstired on May 22, 2021, 03:14:14 PM
Haha absolutely nailed it. Doesn't excite me one bit but will get behind him if he gets the job, yes.
Yes, no other way about it
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: KN22 on May 22, 2021, 03:14:54 PM
It will be sensible wages with a very big bonus for promotion. Similar to SA's sensible wages with a big staying up bonus.

Maybe, but he has to accept those ‘sensible’ wages first.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on May 22, 2021, 03:53:25 PM
Nailed on for Wilder , I think its his to turn down .
Appealing as stale bread to me but has my support If the jobs his .

Just cannot help thinking that we are entering a period of football for the club that we will subsequently refer to as the 'wilderness years'.

This thread is just depressing at the moment, no fault of the posts, just the situation we find ourselves in both in terms of quality of candidates available and the knowledge that there is no money or ambition from 'Ken & Co'.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: CL3MO on May 22, 2021, 04:15:34 PM
Sorry, I’m just struggling with all the negative opinions about Wilder (although I appreciate we are all fans of a game where opinions can vary greatly!).

Yes, last season was an absolute disaster for CW and Sheff U. Yet, look at his record. He’s clearly a very, very good manager, motivator and somebody that creates a perfect ‘team’ or ‘squad’ culture around a club. His Sheff U team didn’t score many goals in their promotion season - even less so in the their first Prem season - but the combination play with a deep lying playmaker (Norwood), use of the full backs and general rotations across the pitch - it was good football. He mixed it up when he needed to, but it was rarely long ball.

Lots of worry to say our players don’t suit his 532/352 - who’s to say that’s definitive in terms of how he’ll play?

I for one would be chuffed with the appointment over the clueless Lampard and awful human being Terry.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: OhBilics on May 22, 2021, 04:26:37 PM
Maybe, but he has to accept those ‘sensible’ wages first.
He is out of work so he's not holding a strong hand of cards, not with the season he's just had. Having said that I'm surprised he is still unemployed, he seems a decent coach/manager (regardless of his preferred style of play etc.). Maybe he's had offers andis just waiting for us :D
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: OhBilics on May 22, 2021, 04:28:32 PM
If we go for someone from lower down the tree, how about Gareth Ainsworth?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: NJS on May 22, 2021, 04:42:51 PM
Why not try putting in an offer to Neil Critchley of Blackpool now.  he's practically got them into the same league as us - in the right direction. 

why not try a different approach to going for defensive minded managers picking journeymen and loanees and gives young players a chance including from our academy?.

It's not much more of a gamble than Wilder with all his baggage.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Albionic on May 22, 2021, 04:52:09 PM
What is Ian Holloway up to ???

Guaranteed entertainment with him
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: wbasoprano on May 22, 2021, 04:56:37 PM
What is Ian Holloway up to ???

Guaranteed entertainment with him

Why stop there? Barry Fry in as director of football
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Albionic on May 22, 2021, 05:13:42 PM
Why stop there? Barry Fry in as director of football

Why did I not think of that, footy could do with a bit of levity to it
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: zac on May 22, 2021, 10:11:51 PM
Alan Nixon of The Sun states we may struggle to get Wilder as he thinks he has earnt a job in the Premier League. Also said we could go after the Barnsley manager if Wilder doesn't fancy it.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 22, 2021, 10:14:05 PM
Alan Nixon of The Sun states we may struggle to get Wilder as he thinks he has earnt a job in the Premier League. Also said we could go after the Barnsley manager if Wilder doesn't fancy it.

Also says we are offering 25k per week max to the new manager which is £1.3m a year so can't see Wilder coming for that.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: lewisant on May 22, 2021, 10:36:06 PM
Alan Nixon is absolutely rubbish, wouldn’t listen to him!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: KN22 on May 22, 2021, 10:36:53 PM
Also says we are offering 25k per week max to the new manager which is £1.3m a year so can't see Wilder coming for that.

You’re right; he won’t come for that salary.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: jimmyj on May 22, 2021, 10:53:46 PM
Alan Nixon of The Sun states we may struggle to get Wilder as he thinks he has earnt a job in the Premier League. Also said we could go after the Barnsley manager if Wilder doesn't fancy it.

Be very curious to know who he thinks in the Prem would employ him. Suppose he may fancy waiting it out and seeing who gets canned from the bottom third teams in the new season.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Standaman on May 22, 2021, 11:05:04 PM
Assuming that Nixon is right which is possible because a stopped clock is right twice a day. If we are offering £25k a week it is probably going to be one of the better wages being paid to a manager in in the Championship I am fairly certain only Scot Parker will be earning significantly more.

I suspect it probably rules Lampard out and if any coach we approach thinks they have a reasonable prospect of a Premier League role then they might be well advised to hold out for the money. All of which fine by me.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 22, 2021, 11:31:31 PM
Assuming that Nixon is right which is possible because a stopped clock is right twice a day. If we are offering £25k a week it is probably going to be one of the better wages being paid to a manager in in the Championship I am fairly certain only Scot Parker will be earning significantly more.

I suspect it probably rules Lampard out and if any coach we approach thinks they have a reasonable prospect of a Premier League role then they might be well advised to hold out for the money. All of which fine by me.

I hope Nixon is right and we "miss out on Wilder". We used to have a bilingual intelligent progressive coach who commanded the respect of the team and earned promotion from the championship. Shame on the board and all the fans who cheered on replacing him.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 22, 2021, 11:35:43 PM
I hope Nixon is right and we "miss out on Wilder". We used to have a bilingual intelligent progressive coach who commanded the respect of the team and earned promotion from the championship. Shame on the board and all the fans who cheered on replacing him.

Who couldn't work cohesively within the hierarchy at the club and allowed the squad fitness to tank and couldn't pick a decent centre midfielder out of a line up...

Shame on him.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: telford baggie on May 22, 2021, 11:37:06 PM
I hope Nixon is right and we "miss out on Wilder". We used to have a bilingual intelligent progressive coach who commanded the respect of the team and earned promotion from the championship. Shame on the board and all the fans who cheered on replacing him.
Get a grip that's the worst albion team for fitness and fight I've seen.. Complete bottle jobs we were lucky to get out of the championship with bilic
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: albion59 on May 22, 2021, 11:45:29 PM
I hope Nixon is right and we "miss out on Wilder". We used to have a bilingual intelligent progressive coach who commanded the respect of the team and earned promotion from the championship. Shame on the board and all the fans who cheered on replacing him.
What's bilingual and intelligent got to do with getting a team fit keeping them fit and getting them to perform? We stumbled across the line to promotion and if Brentford hadn't have bottled it they would have gone up instead. He wasn't clever enough to get a defensive midfielder or a decent striker or a decent centre half we could have had Tonie but got Grant! I could go on and on.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: OhBilics on May 23, 2021, 12:02:50 AM
Be very curious to know who he thinks in the Prem would employ him.
Newcastle maybe. Bruce isn't exactly secure there.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 23, 2021, 06:34:02 AM
What's bilingual and intelligent got to do with getting a team fit keeping them fit and getting them to perform? We stumbled across the line to promotion and if Brentford hadn't have bottled it they would have gone up instead. He wasn't clever enough to get a defensive midfielder or a decent striker or a decent centre half we could have had Tonie but got Grant! I could go on and on.

I agree not signing Toney was a massive own goal.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: wba1993dave on May 23, 2021, 06:37:32 AM
Dyche to Palace - Wilder to Burnley perhaps ? . Think Newcastle will stick with Bruce until they are sold. I still think we will go for a left field appointment someone like Marco Silva or Alex Neil. We do have form in the past for doing this . Remember Alan Irvine. :-X :D
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggies_24 on May 23, 2021, 08:00:07 AM
Dyche to Palace - Wilder to Burnley perhaps ? . Think Newcastle will stick with Bruce until they are sold. I still think we will go for a left field appointment someone like Marco Silva or Alex Neil. We do have form in the past for doing this . Remember Alan Irvine. :-X :D

I can see it been Neil also we’ve been linked in the past & got Norwich promoted a few years ago.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie38 on May 23, 2021, 08:36:42 AM
I can see it been Neil also we’ve been linked in the past & got Norwich promoted a few years ago.

If it's alex Neil I'm done with this unambitious crock of ****.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on May 23, 2021, 08:59:56 AM
If it's alex Neil I'm done with this unambitious crock of s**t.

Know how you feel, I said it yesterday, we will call this the wilderness years......

Cannot help but think that this is going to get a lot worse before it gets better

How not to run a football club.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: johnny Cash on May 23, 2021, 09:16:13 AM
This is key and seems to being ignored by many. He was on £4m per annum at Sheffield. Unless he softens demands he won’t come here!

I don’t want Wilder, but where has the suggestion of a £4m per annum contract come from?  I just cannot imagine Sheffield United put him on that.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: KN22 on May 23, 2021, 09:20:36 AM
I don’t want Wilder, but where has the suggestion of a £4m per annum contract come from?  I just cannot imagine Sheffield United put him on that.

It’s not a suggestion. Saw a lengthy and very interesting interview with their owner. He said it very clearly. He also mentioned that he (Wilder) was given a stake in the club.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie38 on May 23, 2021, 09:23:09 AM
Know how you feel, I said it yesterday, we will call this the wilderness years......

Cannot help but think that this is going to get a lot worse before it gets better

How not to run a football club.

People can call people like us unloyal all they want I couldn't give a rats backside. I'm sick of seeing sides around us grow and use the over seas market and go for out of the box manager appointments. If we go for Wilder or Neil it will be a very British side signed on loans and very very cheap fees. I've had enough. We have a clown of a board who know nothing about the game.

Lai - Where is he? Is he even the owner. Questions raised on the liquidator podcast certainly point towards him not being the owner.

Ken - Just what does this guy do?! Is he just a middle man between the club and the owner? What does he do?!

Mark Miles - This idiot banned the liquidator because it was to sensitive for sensitive souls and their poor little ears. Also failed in numerous other objectives such as trying to get safe standing installed in a certain area of the ground.

Luke Dowling - Forest were on the verge of getting rid of him when we came running to the rescue. They couldn't believe their luck. Blokes a clown. Someone shared a summary of his transfer business with us and there's about 4 out of 25 if I remember one of which is repeat business (Perreria) he didn't even recommend the successful ones such as Yokusulu, Diangana and MP.

Circus of a club and I'm sick of it.

Sack the lot of them they are a disgrace and taking us backwards. Ever since the Chinese lot came through the door we have gone backwards. Absolute shambles and a joke.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: johnny Cash on May 23, 2021, 09:37:15 AM
It’s not a suggestion. Saw a lengthy and very interesting interview with their owner. He said it very clearly. He also mentioned that he (Wilder) was given a stake in the club.

That was madness from SU if true to put a manager on that after surviving for one season.  Most championship managers I believe are on less than £1m per annum. League one is (where wilder started with SU) around £250k!

It’s also typical in football for some severance to be paid back if they take another job within a certain time, normally 12 months. So Wilder mat not be ‘free’ after all if they’ve given him large sums on leaving.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 23, 2021, 10:11:05 AM
It's going to be interesting to see how Swansea/ Brentford turns out.

I think we could do a lot worse than Cooper.

Though as Baggie 38 points out we really are a circus of a club!!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: paulosull on May 23, 2021, 10:12:59 AM
With little interest from owner it looks like the same formula will be used to get us promoted within two seasons. Coach will be appointed who is currently out of work(no compo), player's will be sold to finance new coaches transfer targets (Pereira and Johnstone gone) quota from loan market will be filled.  Dowling will waste millions on has beens. If new regime are failing they will be quickly terminated and temporary appointments will be found within club(Morrison and Brunt double act). And the cycle will continue.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 23, 2021, 10:27:23 AM
Know how you feel, I said it yesterday, we will call this the wilderness years......

Cannot help but think that this is going to get a lot worse before it gets better

How not to run a football club.

With the dire duo of Dowling and Lai, I can only agree with you.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: NJS on May 23, 2021, 10:34:14 AM
What's bilingual and intelligent got to do with getting a team fit keeping them fit and getting them to perform? We stumbled across the line to promotion and if Brentford hadn't have bottled it they would have gone up instead. He wasn't clever enough to get a defensive midfielder or a decent striker or a decent centre half we could have had Tonie but got Grant! I could go on and on.

Are you talking about Bilic by any chance?  Perhaps you meant Hodgson who was multi-lingual.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: paulosull on May 23, 2021, 10:38:33 AM
Reports regarding Wilder who appears to be our no one target have hit the buffers, he seems to be waiting for prem job.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: smethwickw on May 23, 2021, 10:42:41 AM
I see Jokanovic has been mentioned again today. I think he’d be a sound appointment.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 23, 2021, 10:43:51 AM
I see Jokanovic has been mentioned again today. I think he’d be a sound appointment.

Definitely one of the better candidates. I don't really want Alex O'Neil. I still think it's inevitable that Wilder gets it.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie38 on May 23, 2021, 10:46:49 AM
Reports regarding Wilder who appears to be our no one target have hit the buffers, he seems to be waiting for prem job.

Oh well can't say I'm bothered. That appointment just doesn't excite me in the slightest. The stuff that's come out about him behind the scenes at Sheffield aren't good at all. I'd rather have a young upcoming coach with a point to prove such as Appleton.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Dexy on May 23, 2021, 10:47:09 AM
I see Jokanovic has been mentioned again today. I think he’d be a sound appointment.
Didn't he want massive wages last time ?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Dexy on May 23, 2021, 10:48:28 AM
People can call people like us unloyal all they want I couldn't give a rats backside. I'm sick of seeing sides around us grow and use the over seas market and go for out of the box manager appointments. If we go for Wilder or Neil it will be a very British side signed on loans and very very cheap fees. I've had enough. We have a clown of a board who know nothing about the game.

Lai - Where is he? Is he even the owner. Questions raised on the liquidator podcast certainly point towards him not being the owner.

Ken - Just what does this guy do?! Is he just a middle man between the club and the owner? What does he do?!

Mark Miles - This idiot banned the liquidator because it was to sensitive for sensitive souls and their poor little ears. Also failed in numerous other objectives such as trying to get safe standing installed in a certain area of the ground.

Luke Dowling - Forest were on the verge of getting rid of him when we came running to the rescue. They couldn't believe their luck. Blokes a clown. Someone shared a summary of his transfer business with us and there's about 4 out of 25 if I remember one of which is repeat business (Perreria) he didn't even recommend the successful ones such as Yokusulu, Diangana and MP.

Circus of a club and I'm sick of it.

Sack the lot of them they are a disgrace and taking us backwards. Ever since the Chinese lot came through the door we have gone backwards. Absolute shambles and a joke.
Brilliant post 38 , nail on the head for me .
Absolute joke this lot as much as it pains me to type that.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: smethwickw on May 23, 2021, 10:50:24 AM
Didn't he want massive wages last time ?

Not sure. Just looked and he is currently managing in Qatar. His record is pretty impressive.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on May 23, 2021, 10:54:53 AM
People can call people like us unloyal all they want I couldn't give a rats backside. I'm sick of seeing sides around us grow and use the over seas market and go for out of the box manager appointments. If we go for Wilder or Neil it will be a very British side signed on loans and very very cheap fees. I've had enough. We have a clown of a board who know nothing about the game.

Lai - Where is he? Is he even the owner. Questions raised on the liquidator podcast certainly point towards him not being the owner.

Ken - Just what does this guy do?! Is he just a middle man between the club and the owner? What does he do?!

Mark Miles - This idiot banned the liquidator because it was to sensitive for sensitive souls and their poor little ears. Also failed in numerous other objectives such as trying to get safe standing installed in a certain area of the ground.

Luke Dowling - Forest were on the verge of getting rid of him when we came running to the rescue. They couldn't believe their luck. Blokes a clown. Someone shared a summary of his transfer business with us and there's about 4 out of 25 if I remember one of which is repeat business (Perreria) he didn't even recommend the successful ones such as Yokusulu, Diangana and MP.

Circus of a club and I'm sick of it.

Sack the lot of them they are a disgrace and taking us backwards. Ever since the Chinese lot came through the door we have gone backwards. Absolute shambles and a joke.

My thoughts entirely 38. I can only assume that Jenkins got out because he could see this ****fest coming. Either that or he was asked to leave as he was making sensible decisions.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Adder on May 23, 2021, 10:57:30 AM
Didn't he want massive wages last time ?
Yes, well he wanted more than we were prepared to pay anyway. I think Sheff Utd expressed interest in him recently but it's rumoured they were put off by his wage demands...so looking unlikely.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie38 on May 23, 2021, 11:12:17 AM
Brilliant post 38 , nail on the head for me .
Absolute joke this lot as much as it pains me to type that.

Thanks mate at the end of the day its the club we support not the idiots in suits who run it. I can't wait for the day those I named have all left our beloved club because its a sorry state of affairs at the moment
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie38 on May 23, 2021, 11:16:46 AM
My thoughts entirely 38. I can only assume that Jenkins got out because he could see this ****fest coming. Either that or he was asked to leave as he was making sensible decisions.

Mark Jenkins was just as much a part of the problem. That bloke was a vile poison. I don't drink much but when he left the first time he left and good man replaced him I enjoyed a couple that evening. When he was rushed back in to ensure things were stable I was gutted I just knew with a owner who doesn't want to invest and  Jenkins over seeing the books we were doomed. I remember a friend of mine used to work at the club and Jenkins always used to disregard the importance of fans according to him. Its no wonder we don't get regular contact with our club. I've had to laugh at arsenal fans these last 12 months ranting as if the sky is falling claiming they never hear anything from the club they should try supporting us  :P
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: NJS on May 23, 2021, 11:22:31 AM
Didn't he want massive wages last time ?

I read somewhere that we thought we'd closed a deal and he came back at the last minute when we'd stopped looking elsewhere with a demand for a substantial hike in wages.   Mercenary without honour: I can't put much trust in him not walking out abruptly having raised his profile with us.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on May 23, 2021, 11:34:05 AM
West Brom are plotting shock 'approach' to replace Sam Allardyce after Leeds United clash

Source: Birmingham Live, haven't posted link for obvious reasons

Don't forget where you read that name first on this thread ;D
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Adder on May 23, 2021, 11:36:39 AM
Mark Jenkins was just as much a part of the problem. That bloke was a vile poison. I don't drink much but when he left the first time he left and good man replaced him I enjoyed a couple that evening. When he was rushed back in to ensure things were stable I was gutted I just knew with a owner who doesn't want to invest and  Jenkins over seeing the books we were doomed. I remember a friend of mine used to work at the club and Jenkins always used to disregard the importance of fans according to him. Its no wonder we don't get regular contact with our club. I've had to laugh at arsenal fans these last 12 months ranting as if the sky is falling claiming they never hear anything from the club they should try supporting us  :P
It's for a different thread but very much depends on how you look at things. Jenkins seemed to ensure financial stability with maybe a sensible principle of not spending beyond our means.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on May 23, 2021, 11:46:41 AM
It's for a different thread but very much depends on how you look at things. Jenkins seemed to ensure financial stability with maybe a sensible principle of not spending beyond our means.

I was going to post something similar Adder. When he replaced the 'safe pair of hands' called Williams he was both surprised and concerned about the amount of cash that he and Pulis had squandered. It could be that he came back, steadied the ship and 'done one'. Not surprised about the comment regarding a disregard for supporters, I have no doubt we have been 'customers' for years >:(
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 23, 2021, 11:55:45 AM
West Brom are plotting shock 'approach' to replace Sam Allardyce after Leeds United clash

Source: Birmingham Live, haven't posted link for obvious reasons

Don't forget where you read that name first on this thread ;D

Ismaels already been listed in here last night by Nixon from the Sun
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: alex1 on May 23, 2021, 11:59:09 AM
Also says we are offering 25k per week max to the new manager which is £1.3m a year so can't see Wilder coming for that.
If I were Wilder I'd be doing cartwheels if I got such an offer from West Brom. How much  does he think he's worth? We are about the 20th biggest club in the country. If he turns us down, its downhill from there. Though if he does turn us down, that's absolutely fine by me. Don't fancy watching his dour football until everyone realises we've reached our ceiling.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 23, 2021, 12:01:36 PM
If I were Wilder I'd be doing cartwheels if I got such an offer from West Brom. How much  does he think he's worth? We are about the 20th biggest club in the country. If he turns us down, its downhill from there. Though if he does turn us down, that's absolutely fine by me. Don't fancy watching his dour football until everyone realises we've reached our ceiling.

He just wants the deal he was on at Sheff Utd i imagine. We are offering only a third of that but with a large bonus paid on top if we get promotion.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 23, 2021, 12:03:57 PM
Ismaels already been listed in here last night by Nixon from the Sun

Chris Wilder who wants to play a negative 5-3-2 and stack the team with physical brutes or Valérien Ismaël who wants a full on gegenpress, heavy metal Klopp / Bielsa style football. Not a difficult choice IMV, I'd be straight on the phone to Oakwell. But I suspect the club will see things differently and go for Wilder with his turgid football.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 23, 2021, 12:07:28 PM
Chris Wilder who wants to play a negative 5-3-2 and stack the team with physical brutes or Valérien Ismaël who wants a full on gegenpress, heavy metal Klopp / Bielsa style football. Not a difficult choice IMV, I'd be straight on the phone to Oakwell. But I suspect the club will see things differently and go for Wilder with his turgid football.

For once i hope the club stick to their guns and say we cant afford him.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: hardtobeat on May 23, 2021, 12:12:11 PM
Chris Wilder who wants to play a negative 5-3-2 and stack the team with physical brutes or Valérien Ismaël who wants a full on gegenpress, heavy metal Klopp / Bielsa style football. Not a difficult choice IMV, I'd be straight on the phone to Oakwell. But I suspect the club will see things differently and go for Wilder with his turgid football.
Don’t know how much you watched of Barnsley’s games against Swansea but Barnsley for a lot of the time played mega hoof all . No coincidence I think that Swansea haven’t lost to them in 4 games !
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SirTonyM on May 23, 2021, 12:16:14 PM
Chris Wilder who wants to play a negative 5-3-2 and stack the team with physical brutes or Valérien Ismaël who wants a full on gegenpress, heavy metal Klopp / Bielsa style football. Not a difficult choice IMV, I'd be straight on the phone to Oakwell. But I suspect the club will see things differently and go for Wilder with his turgid football.

Football should have its own dictionary. In this case heavy metal = agricultural, route 1. If you think Wilders turgid take a trip to Oakwell. To compare Barnsley this season to Bielsa is funny. Basically Barnsley out run their opponents and they do press but the footballs rudimentary ;)
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: alex1 on May 23, 2021, 12:28:05 PM
He just wants the deal he was on at Sheff Utd i imagine. We are offering only a third of that but with a large bonus paid on top if we get promotion.
But if Wilder turns us down, who does he think are going to be in for him. Newcastle, Leeds, Wolves??? Why would any of them be interested in a manager who was comfortably the worst in the Prem league?  He may of course be trying to negotiate his salary upwards, but he doesn't hold many of the cards.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: costa blanca baggie on May 23, 2021, 12:29:11 PM
Don’t know how much you watched of Barnsley’s games against Swansea but Barnsley for a lot of the time played mega hoof all . No coincidence I think that Swansea haven’t lost to them in 4 games !
It looked to me as if Swansea were the team desperate to get the ball as far away from their goal with booted balls to anywhere. Barnsley, to their credit, often tried breaking down the defence with some quick interchange of passes. Dike was used occasionally to try and hold up the ball when a hoofed clearance was needed.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 23, 2021, 12:40:32 PM
But if Wilder turns us down, who does he think are going to be in for him. Newcastle, Leeds, Wolves??? Why would any of them be interested in a manager who was comfortably the worst in the Prem league?  He may of course be trying to negotiate his salary upwards, but he doesn't hold many of the cards.


According to reports he want PL football and thinks hes earnt his place there. He's not going to be in any NEED to go back into work due to his money from the Blades so he can hold out.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on May 23, 2021, 12:41:47 PM
It's going to be the cheap option with this lot in charge. And then they will wonder why it didn't work. This club needs an overhaul from the very top but alas it a it happening any time soon. Always a bunch of cheapskates. You pay peanuts??
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on May 23, 2021, 12:44:23 PM
If Ismael is the answer then frankly I give up. Barnsley don't play football. It's old school hoofball. Been there, didn't like it. Club will employ a yes man.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: alex1 on May 23, 2021, 12:56:22 PM

According to reports he want PL football and thinks hes earnt his place there. He's not going to be in any NEED to go back into work due to his money from the Blades so he can hold out.
Ok, but if he's trying to hold out for a Prem club, the only possible clubs interested would be in a relegation scrap.  But why would they employ a manager who failed dismally to avoid relegation? They would far more likely go for Allardyce. Wilder can sit on his savings for a while, but when the next offer comes in, I expect it to be from a Championship club at best.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SmethDan on May 23, 2021, 01:01:58 PM

According to reports he want PL football and thinks hes earnt his place there. He's not going to be in any NEED to go back into work due to his money from the Blades so he can hold out.

Former Charlton manager Alan Curbishley said the same thing back in the day. Turned down numerous offers from Championship clubs as a result of the level he felt he should be managing at. Swamped with offers of work in the Premier League was Mr. Curbishley. Or not.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 23, 2021, 01:02:42 PM
Don’t know how much you watched of Barnsley’s games against Swansea but Barnsley for a lot of the time played mega hoof all . No coincidence I think that Swansea haven’t lost to them in 4 games !

I've seen very little of Barnsley this season but was very impressed by them at the Hawthorns last year. Their manager did very well just to get them into the top six.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 23, 2021, 01:03:59 PM
Maybe Palace will go in for Wilder.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on May 23, 2021, 01:20:28 PM
Ismaels already been listed in here last night by Nixon from the Sun

Look a lot further back in the thread than last night Gaz and who asked Liam to include him in the poll  :D
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: hardtobeat on May 23, 2021, 01:21:34 PM
I've seen very little of Barnsley this season but was very impressed by them at the Hawthorns last year. Their manager did very well just to get them into the top six.
Wasn’t that under the bloke that went to America not Ismael ?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: zac on May 23, 2021, 01:22:56 PM
If Ismael is the answer then frankly I give up. Barnsley don't play football. It's old school hoofball. Been there, didn't like it. Club will employ a yes man.

I can only second this. He makes Pulis look like prime Guardiola.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie38 on May 23, 2021, 01:24:17 PM
Wait. What's this talk about ismael from Barnsley? I put my phone down and look what happens. Have we made an approach or something? I don't understand what's going on. I saw a post about a surprise approach then people talking about the Barnsley gaffer.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 23, 2021, 01:27:37 PM
Ok, but if he's trying to hold out for a Prem club, the only possible clubs interested would be in a relegation scrap.  But why would they employ a manager who failed dismally to avoid relegation? They would far more likely go for Allardyce. Wilder can sit on his savings for a while, but when the next offer comes in, I expect it to be from a Championship club at best.

I don't disagree with you Alex but he can easily afford to sit this season out if need be. I imagine he will wait for someone to be fired and try and get in there whomever it may be.

Former Charlton manager Alan Curbishley said the same thing back in the day. Turned down numerous offers from Championship clubs as a result of the level he felt he should be managing at. Swamped with offers of work in the Premier League was Mr. Curbishley. Or not.

I know see above Dan

Look a lot further back in the thread than last night Gaz and who asked Liam to include him in the poll  :D

I stand corrected  ;D

Wasn’t that under the bloke that went to America not Ismael ?

Stuber wasnt it? I liked him.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: NJS on May 23, 2021, 01:31:21 PM
For the rumoured 25k/week, isn't there a number of those listed above whom we can discount, for example, Maresca:  it's possible that Citeh's coach driver gets more than that
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 23, 2021, 01:37:08 PM
Martin O Neill has come out of retirement at age 69  :o
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SmethDan on May 23, 2021, 01:40:02 PM
Martin O Neill has come out of retirement at age 69  :o

'Martin had a dream.......', how funny would it be if he rocked up at the Mol'  ;D ?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 23, 2021, 01:40:41 PM
'Martin had a dream.......', how funny would it be if he rocked up at the Mol'  ;D ?

That would be funny but as he's on a free i'm worried he will end up on our shortlist.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SmethDan on May 23, 2021, 01:44:54 PM
That would be funny but as he's on a free i'm worried he will end up on our shortlist.

Don't. I haven't got over the Saunders or Little appointments yet. If we went with O'Neill........ no, we wouldn't, I know we wouldn't, I'm going to keep telling myself that I know we wouldn't......  ;D .
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 23, 2021, 01:47:12 PM
Don't. I haven't got over the Saunders or Little appointments yet. If we went with O'Neill........ no, we wouldn't, I know we wouldn't, I'm going to keep telling myself that I know we wouldn't......  ;D .

He's far more likely to end up here than at the Wolves and thats the inescapable truth  :-X
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SmethDan on May 23, 2021, 02:00:00 PM
He's far more likely to end up here than at the Wolves and thats the inescapable truth  :-X

Is it possible to overdose on beer, Cod Liver Oil tablets and red wine? It's all we've got in  :-X .
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: alex1 on May 23, 2021, 02:12:04 PM
Is it possible to overdose on beer, Cod Liver Oil tablets and red wine? It's all we've got in  :-X .
Didn't realise you were so down on ex Wycombe Wanderers managers ;D

Seriously, O'Neills not that great tactically. A lot of it with him is based on charisma and adrenalin, though at 69 that might not work so well.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 23, 2021, 02:24:21 PM
Is it possible to overdose on beer, Cod Liver Oil tablets and red wine? It's all we've got in  :-X .


I'm sure you will have a go!  ;D
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Groovephil on May 23, 2021, 02:29:12 PM
Have we dropped Peter Reid a call yet?

The short list is making me fall even more out of love with football.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SmethDan on May 23, 2021, 02:30:22 PM

I'm sure you will have a go!  ;D

Didn't even bother taking the cap off the bottle, gulp  ;D .
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 23, 2021, 02:49:58 PM
The new manager merry go round is making me a nervous wreck.

I'm dreading the white smoke wafting out of the top of the Hawthorns.....
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 23, 2021, 03:39:46 PM
The new manager merry go round is making me a nervous wreck.

I'm dreading the white smoke wafting out of the top of the Hawthorns.....

The next manager is never going to be announced until the season has been completed. Wilder confirmed soon IMV.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 23, 2021, 03:48:16 PM
Wilder is at the Leeds match.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: sayer3 on May 23, 2021, 03:51:40 PM
Wilder is at the Leeds match.

He is working for 5 live at the villa game
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: FallOutBoy on May 23, 2021, 05:52:03 PM
I don't want Appleton, that's just jobs for the boys again, which Dowling seems to do a lot of. Terry is his mate too, which worries me, especially as he's a proven racist.

If we're going to have a former player, Maresca seems the best bet. Although I don't think next season is a job for a rookie.

Wilder seems the best of a pretty uninspiring, and we won't do a Norwich and go abroad for a long-term hire.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SirTonyM on May 23, 2021, 06:20:56 PM
With our current ownership and hierarchy the new manager conversation does feel like changing the deck chairs on the titanic :(
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: tuamigos on May 23, 2021, 06:25:38 PM
I don't want Appleton, that's just jobs for the boys again, which Dowling seems to do a lot of. Terry is his mate too, which worries me, especially as he's a proven racist.

If we're going to have a former player, Maresca seems the best bet. Although I don't think next season is a job for a rookie.

Wilder seems the best of a pretty uninspiring, and we won't do a Norwich and go abroad for a long-term hire.

Doesn't his brother work for us at present
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: FallOutBoy on May 23, 2021, 06:27:40 PM
Doesn't his brother work for us at present

Yes, and was sanctioned a little while ago for betting on matches while in our employ.

Class runs right through that family.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: PartisanBaggie on May 23, 2021, 06:39:25 PM
Doesn't his brother work for us at present

Loans Manager at the Albion, I’ve just found out.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: liverbaggie on May 23, 2021, 06:51:24 PM
Get the new man in ASAP
Assess his existing squad and give him the money to get in players he wants early and get them in training.
It's easy eh it?
Oh sorry guys, I was dreaming its albion.
But honestly this is what we must do
Decide if we have to sell get them sold asap
Start getting serious now
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Smethwickender93 on May 23, 2021, 06:59:50 PM
I don't want Appleton, that's just jobs for the boys again, which Dowling seems to do a lot of. Terry is his mate too, which worries me, especially as he's a proven racist.

If we're going to have a former player, Maresca seems the best bet. Although I don't think next season is a job for a rookie.

Wilder seems the best of a pretty uninspiring, and we won't do a Norwich and go abroad for a long-term hire.

Maresca and take a few of city's youngsters on loan  8)
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Albertbaggie on May 23, 2021, 07:03:01 PM
Maresca and take a few of city's youngsters on loan  8)
Or maybe, if we need to use any youngsters, maybe try some of our own?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: DevonInStripes on May 23, 2021, 08:17:24 PM
You would have thought  that a new manager would have some input into the retained list but I guess that’s too much to hope for .
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: wbasoprano on May 23, 2021, 08:23:30 PM
Or maybe, if we need to use any youngsters, maybe try some of our own?

Who is good enough out of our youngsters? Not disagreeing with the notion, just doubting that any of them can really step up. I guess you don't know if you don't try but can we really afford to take those kind of risks?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Aztech on May 23, 2021, 08:25:42 PM
Who is good enough out of our youngsters? Not disagreeing with the notion, just doubting that any of them can really step up. I guess you don't know if you don't try but can we really afford to take those kind of risks?

Very few if any if we are being honest. Our better youth team players have all been poached.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: kirk on May 23, 2021, 08:36:35 PM
Who is good enough out of our youngsters? Not disagreeing with the notion, just doubting that any of them can really step up. I guess you don't know if you don't try but can we really afford to take those kind of risks?

We did last time in the championship with Ferguson and O’Shea
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 23, 2021, 08:37:21 PM
The next manager is never going to be announced until the season has been completed. Wilder confirmed soon IMV.

No, agreed, it's more the revolving door we seem to have had for so long now.

Can our next manager/ coach please be one we want to grow with?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: wbasoprano on May 23, 2021, 08:45:50 PM
We did last time in the championship with Ferguson and O’Shea

I forgot about Ferguson.
The question still stands as to who can step up now?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Albertbaggie on May 23, 2021, 09:30:22 PM
Who is good enough out of our youngsters? Not disagreeing with the notion, just doubting that any of them can really step up. I guess you don't know if you don't try but can we really afford to take those kind of risks?
Point is, you never know until they get an opportunity. Did Chris Wood, Kemar Roofe, Tyler Roberts get the chance? My point is, why blood man city's youngsters and not your own, if you are going down that route?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Mister AT on May 23, 2021, 09:32:05 PM
I forgot about Ferguson.
The question still stands as to who can step up now?

OShea
Palmer
Griffiths
Diaby
Tulloch
 Could all be used next year.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: wbasoprano on May 23, 2021, 09:34:56 PM
Point is, you never know until they get an opportunity. Did Chris Wood, Kemar Roofe, Tyler Roberts get the chance? My point is, why blood man city's youngsters and not your own, if you are going down that route?

None of those mentioned were at the required level at the time.
Using the big boys youngsters gives you the chance to have a Lukaku for a season.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Mister AT on May 23, 2021, 09:36:05 PM
If the wilder stories are true, then I think it will be Alex Neil.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie38 on May 23, 2021, 09:39:12 PM
If the wilder stories are true, then I think it will be Alex Neil.

I didn't want Alex Neil 3 seasons ago when he was at Preston let alone now. Please luke I know you aren't the sharpest tool but please don't appoint him.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: wbasoprano on May 23, 2021, 09:40:53 PM
OShea
Palmer
Griffiths
Diaby
Tulloch
 Could all be used next year.

O'Shea is already being used.
Palmer will be 25 in August so hardly a youngster.
Griffiths, can't play two goalkeepers.
Diaby and Tulloch possibly, yes.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Albertbaggie on May 23, 2021, 09:51:53 PM
None of those mentioned were at the required level at the time.
Using the big boys youngsters gives you the chance to have a Lukaku for a season.
Lukaku was a different beast - he'd notched 35 goals in 70 appearances for Anderlecht. Never going to pick someone up on loan like that, Chris Wood had shown he was capable while the other two had done well on loan, lower down, and we lost them.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Mister AT on May 23, 2021, 09:52:23 PM
I didn't want Alex Neil 3 seasons ago when he was at Preston let alone now. Please luke I know you aren't the sharpest tool but please don't appoint him.

Didn’t we flirt with him before and he used us to leverage a new contract?

Hope I’m wrong but just have a feeling he may soon become the favourite. Especially if the wages rumours are true. That rules out Lampard and Wilder. No compensation payments rule out Cooper and Ismeal, doesn’t leave a lot left in the small pool we fish in.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Albertbaggie on May 23, 2021, 09:56:30 PM
Didn’t we flirt with him before and he used us to leverage a new contract?

Hope I’m wrong but just have a feeling he may soon become the favourite. Especially if the wages rumours are true. That rules out Lampard and Wilder. No compensation payments rule out Cooper and Ismeal, doesn’t leave a lot left in the small pool we fish in.
Neil, 33-1 at present so going to have a bet just to numb the pain, a tiny bit, if we are daft enough to appoint him
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: ttree30 on May 23, 2021, 10:10:00 PM
Didn’t we flirt with him before and he used us to leverage a new contract?

Hope I’m wrong but just have a feeling he may soon become the favourite. Especially if the wages rumours are true. That rules out Lampard and Wilder. No compensation payments rule out Cooper and Ismeal, doesn’t leave a lot left in the small pool we fish in.

The coach is the most important individual at the club.

Mind you he does need some players with ability to have a chance.

But this penny-pinching, unambitious, accountancy-led approach has been Albion all my life. Not just now, but for the entire 50 years I’ve been a supporter.

Look at the Halfords Lane stand - cheap and nasty even when it was built. Look at the unwillingness to pay the tiny Cyrille Regis transfer fee. Look at the sale of the old training ground years ago. Look at the “investment” made last summer.

It’s worth spending a fortune on the best manager we can get, because he’ll still cost a lot less than even one decent player. But we won’t.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Standaman on May 23, 2021, 10:34:28 PM
I don't understand the antipathy toward Alex Neil he is a good coach who has done a good job on a shoestring budget. I wouldn't say that he was my first choice but I would be a lot happier with him than many of the more high profile names being bandied about. 

Wilder and Neil are pretty much a coin flip in my eyes. If I had to pay a lot more for one or the other I would opt for the cheaper option.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 23, 2021, 10:38:44 PM
I don't understand the antipathy toward Alex Neil he is a good coach who has done a good job on a shoestring budget. I wouldn't say that he was my first choice but I would be a lot happier with him than many of the more high profile names being bandied about. 

Wilder and Neil are pretty much a coin flip in my eyes. If I had to pay a lot more for one or the other I would opt for the cheaper option.

Here's me thinking you wanted decent football? Blow me down...   :D
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: BB74 on May 23, 2021, 10:41:37 PM
Are there any sectors where the Manager is paid less than his/her staff?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Aztech on May 23, 2021, 10:44:18 PM
Here's me thinking you wanted decent football? Blow me down...   :D

How about Marco Silva Jacko, I bet you’d love to see him up the Albion. 😂
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: johnnyg on May 23, 2021, 10:44:56 PM
Its time for Tony Mowbray to make a return. We'd blow the division away with his brand of football
Lets worry about the year after when we get there !
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Baggies on May 23, 2021, 10:48:35 PM
Neil's record is just really meh though isn't it.

He does have 2 promotions on his record, I can't comment on the Hamilton one as I don't know the circumstances but he took Norwich up in a season where they had parachute payments, failed to keep them in the premier league and was sacked after an underwhelming return season in the championship (again with one of the bigger budgets available).

He has had Preston in or around the play offs on a couple of occasions but has never really looked like getting them promotion and I look around and see a lot more deserving candidates who are on the up.

I just don't see much evidence that Neil is anything other than a regulation championship manager. We need to get lucky and find more than that.

Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 23, 2021, 10:57:17 PM
How about Marco Silva Jacko, I bet you’d love to see him up the Albion. 😂

Christ on a Bike... Dreadful manager.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Aztech on May 23, 2021, 11:00:09 PM
Christ on a Bike... Dreadful manager.

I thought you’d be impressed 😝
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Standaman on May 23, 2021, 11:14:19 PM
Here's me thinking you wanted decent football? Blow me down...   :D

I do and like I said not my first choice but atheistically worse than Wilder or better than Wilder?  Worse than Allardyce or better than Allardyce? We have reached the point in the eye test where the optician is swapping lenses in and out of the frames and they aren't making a discernable difference.

I reiterate my short list is Appleton, Evatt and Robbins. It isn't the clubs nor many fans. I want high octane, possession orientated, defending is for wimps football. I want the full Ardiles anything else is a compromise I am not prepared to make.

None of which is likely to happen so if it's a pragmatic stodgy choice I really can't be asked to pick up the cudgels about a choice that I am largely indifferent about. Just spare me any coach where were are -------'s West Brom.
   
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 24, 2021, 07:42:07 AM
Karl Robinson has downplayed links to us and other Championship clubs, saying he has a long term contract with Oxford and “doesn’t have the energy” to talk about any other job.

Link looks tenuous and mostly fuelled by the bookies and his links to Allardyce, but it’s another name to the list.
https://www.witneygazette.co.uk/sport/19323398.oxford-united-boss-karl-robinson-west-brom-speculation/
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Oldbury24 on May 24, 2021, 10:00:48 AM
We need to decide what the actual management set up at the club is.   If we are really running a DOF/coach model then players are just as, if not more important, than the man taking the coaching.    With the parachute money coming in, and the inevitable sale of Pereira on the way we should already be looking to cherry pick the best players from the Champ and even League One clubs, although they will of course be waiting for a call from a new PL team.  The suitability of any incoming coach should then be based on how well they will be able to work with the players in the squad/on the shopping list rather than based on budget for players that they can then spend.

Post Meggo, the club was at its healthiest when we properly worked this system (lets not get into the "Dowling is no Ashworth" conversation) and i for one would like to move back to that model working properly.   The issue we had last summer was that the transfer strategy seemed to be a complete mess with owner/DOF/recruitment and manger all pulling in different directions so we ended up with an unbalanced and unready squad. 

But the DOF is still there because the blame was spread and that shouldn't be the case. If recruitment is down to the recruitment manager/DOF and we end up with a squad not fit for purpose then the DOF needs to go.   If it is apparent that the coach cannot get the best out of the players at his disposal then its the coach that should go.  Clear lines.  It's not who is the best manager, but who is the best fit for the system we are operating.   

For example, from what i gather Wilder pretty much ruled the roost at Sheff Utd and although he may be a very good manager (lets pretend last season never happened all round) will he be a fit?  If the club really are looking at Wilder then i can only presume that we are moving back to the old school manager role and if that is the case do we even need a DOF?

Lampard worked well with a limited budget (for the Prem) and bringing through youngsters so would he actually be happier coaching?  I can't think for a minute why he would want to come here but it might be a better fit if we are to continue with Dowling as the man in charge.

In my experience it doesn't matter what the type of business/team is but success is always based on clear strategies and lines of responsibility.  Whenever i have been involved in organizations where there is uncertainty it invariably goes wrong at some point regardless of the talent involved.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: tambag on May 24, 2021, 10:06:32 AM
The biggest problem I see is convincing the new appointment that we are looking more than 12 months.  The reason I say that is we have an owner who is looking to sell and if we were promoted next season, the Lai would sell and then the new owner might want to get the managment structure.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: BB74 on May 24, 2021, 10:09:49 AM
The biggest problem I see is convincing the new appointment that we are looking more than 12 months.  The reason I say that is we have an owner who is looking to sell and if we were promoted next season, the Lai would sell and then the new owner might want to get the managment structure.

Lai didn't sell this time round so I wouldn't be so sure he would manage a sale next time should we get promoted.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: tambag on May 24, 2021, 10:11:24 AM
Lai didn't sell this time round so I wouldn't be so sure he would manage a sale next time should we get promoted.

This season their were unknowns as to how Covid would affect clubs finances. I think he would next time, since Covid should have settled down and TV deals have been agreed, so clubs know what income they will recieve.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Oldbury24 on May 24, 2021, 10:13:15 AM
Lai didn't sell this time round so I wouldn't be so sure he would manage a sale next time should we get promoted.

We need to spend at least two seasons in the PL and be seen as a side stabilising before Lai can even think to sell if he wants to recoup his outlay.  Thus this focus on a longer term (2 years is longer term now in football ffs) appointment.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: darbolina on May 24, 2021, 10:36:43 AM
Lampard for me, maybe I'm blind but I see a young, dynanmic manager who got a big job too early but with the right resources could build a talented young squad who can play strong counter attacking football. He's probably looking at a prem surivival club next though in Nov/ December?

I still think it's nailed on Wilder though who would on the surface be a safe pair of hands for a championship club looking to rebuild. Others would be more risky.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: jim68 on May 24, 2021, 10:37:16 AM
i see more votes have gone for mcinness and rightly  so its alright keep downing scottish football but has been dominated by the same two clubs for years of which aberdeen have had some victories under mcinness and winning the league cup just remember where did ferguson come from to the mancs plus albion had scottish players in the past and aproper captain while at the albion strong character which will be needed
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: hardtobeat on May 24, 2021, 11:14:22 AM
Lai didn't sell this time round so I wouldn't be so sure he would manage a sale next time should we get promoted.
Are we sure Lai still owns us ? Seem to be a fair few rumours to the contrary flying around
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Mister AT on May 24, 2021, 11:53:49 AM
i see more votes have gone for mcinness and rightly  so its alright keep downing scottish football but has been dominated by the same two clubs for years of which aberdeen have had some victories under mcinness and winning the league cup just remember where did ferguson come from to the mancs plus albion had scottish players in the past and aproper captain while at the albion strong character which will be needed

If McInnes never played for us his name would not have been mentioned by any wba fan.

Steve Clarke finished above McInnes with Kilmarnock, Jack Ross (former Sunderland manager) has just finished above Aberdeen with Hibernian. Albion connections aside then McInnes wouldn’t and shouldn’t be mentioned.

Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: jim68 on May 24, 2021, 12:14:03 PM
If McInnes never played for us his name would not have been mentioned by any wba fan.

Steve Clarke finished above McInnes with Kilmarnock, Jack Ross (former Sunderland manager) has just finished above Aberdeen with Hibernian. Albion connections aside then McInnes wouldn’t and shouldn’t be mentioned.
i wasnt just meaning 1 season his whole tenure at aberdeen small minded to say the least 8)
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: tuamigos on May 24, 2021, 12:16:30 PM
If McInnes never played for us his name would not have been mentioned by any wba fan.

Steve Clarke finished above McInnes with Kilmarnock, Jack Ross (former Sunderland manager) has just finished above Aberdeen with Hibernian. Albion connections aside then McInnes wouldn’t and shouldn’t be mentioned.

I agree, the decision on the new manager should come from the head not the heart.
Having said that our decision will come from the wallet.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Mister AT on May 24, 2021, 12:31:41 PM
i wasnt just meaning 1 season his whole tenure at aberdeen small minded to say the least 8)

Small minded  :D

Only takes 5 minutes of your time to look through Aberdeen’s fans opinions of him on their forums. Many are baffled as to why he’s even linked with us, will be glad to see the back of his ‘shocking’ tactics, begging him to come and sign some of the rubbish he’s signed for them. One fan even said if any club has an ambition of getting promoted to the premier league then McInnes won’t be the man for that. Another said his level should be the Salford job.

I’ll repeat my previous comment, if he had never played for us, his name wouldn’t be mentioned.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: jim68 on May 24, 2021, 12:36:33 PM
I agree, the decision on the new manager should come from the head not the heart.
Having said that our decision will come from the wallet.
exactly .who do some folks think we are going to attract it will be a cheap option while this lot are in charge  :o
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 24, 2021, 01:17:09 PM
McInnes is literally worse case scenario.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 24, 2021, 01:22:27 PM
McInnes is dire and should never be a consideration. Aberdeen fans couldn't stand the football he was serving up
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: jim68 on May 24, 2021, 01:23:33 PM
McInnes is literally worse case scenario.
this time last week there were 3 votes they have more than trebled in number since .so not everyone would be dissapointed
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 24, 2021, 01:25:55 PM
this time last week there were 3 votes they have more than trebled in number since .so not everyone would be dissapointed

They would be a few months into his appointment...
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: smethwickw on May 24, 2021, 01:35:52 PM
I agree, the decision on the new manager should come from the head not the heart.
Having said that our decision will come from the wallet.

Although we are well renowned for being penny pinchers I doubt that Bilic or Allardyce were 'cheap' options.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 24, 2021, 01:45:36 PM
Although we are well renowned for being penny pinchers I doubt that Bilic or Allardyce were 'cheap' options.

Certainly the calibre and stock of our last 2 managers has exceeded expectations when appointed even if both have ultimately failed.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Dexy on May 24, 2021, 01:55:21 PM
I'm concerned Wilder has peaked after Sheff Utd , a bit like how Megson wasn't quite the same after leaving  the Albion . Very bitter and irate towards the end at Sheff Utd , if it's true he hanging about for another Premier job....well....
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: tuamigos on May 24, 2021, 02:00:41 PM
I'm concerned Wilder has peaked after Sheff Utd , a bit like how Megson wasn't quite the same after leaving  the Albion . Very bitter and irate towards the end at Sheff Utd , if it's true he hanging about for another Premier job....well....

If he comes here it will only be because another Prem team wouldn't appoint him.
Realistically, of the teams looking for a manager in the Prem who would appoint Wilder.
Spurs/Palace/Wolves?
Can't see it myself.
So he rocks up here thinking he's better than he really is. Doesn't bode well does it?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: hardtobeat on May 24, 2021, 02:32:35 PM
Certainly the calibre and stock of our last 2 managers has exceeded expectations when appointed even if both have ultimately failed.
Bilic was given a two year brief to get us out of the Championship . Hardly failed on that basis. Doing it at first attempt did him no favours !
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on May 24, 2021, 02:38:30 PM
I'd be amazed that a Premiership club will come in for Wilder. He and Eddie Howe would be the only two that I'd only ever want as manager.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 24, 2021, 03:19:22 PM
I'd be amazed that a Premiership club will come in for Wilder. He and Eddie Howe would be the only two that I'd only ever want as manager.

Wilder has shown that he has now idea how to set-up a premier league team that can hurt the opposition and no idea what he is doing in the transfer market. Sheff Utd success in their first year was based solely on all out defence and failed as soon as they lost their keeper. So I agree with you, I do not see Chris Wilder managing again in the premiership, unless of course he gets another championship club promoted and then gets them relegated on the back of it.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 24, 2021, 03:22:37 PM
Certainly the calibre and stock of our last 2 managers has exceeded expectations when appointed even if both have ultimately failed.

Bilic didn't fail, he got us promoted at the first attempt after rebuilding the team in one summer. Relegation this season was a given with our budget. Like Allardyce didn't work out but I wouldn't class relegation and his time as a failure either - it was fairly inevitable. Houdini could not have kept us up given the strength of the premiership (40 points required for safety) and our meagre resources.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 24, 2021, 03:26:05 PM
Wilder has shown that he has now idea how to set-up a premier league team that can hurt the opposition and no idea what he is doing in the transfer market. Sheff Utd success in their first year was based solely on all out defence and failed as soon as they lost their keeper. So I agree with you, I do not see Chris Wilder managing again in the premiership, unless of course he gets another championship club promoted and then gets them relegated on the back of it.

I think this gets lost by many due to the fact that they finished 9th. They had 0 GD 39 f & 39 A...only the top 3 let in fewer but only Newcastle, Norwich and Watford scored fewer.



Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 24, 2021, 03:45:16 PM
Bilic didn't fail, he got us promoted at the first attempt after rebuilding the team in one summer. Relegation this season was a given with our budget. Like Allardyce didn't work out but I wouldn't class relegation and his time as a failure either - it was fairly inevitable. Houdini could not have kept us up given the strength of the premiership (40 points required for safety) and our meagre resources.

Bilic was given a two year brief to get us out of the Championship . Hardly failed on that basis. Doing it at first attempt did him no favours !

Sacked after 4 wins in 8 months. He failed.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Albionic on May 24, 2021, 03:53:09 PM
Sacked after 4 wins in 8 months. He failed.

he didn't, the club failed him !
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 24, 2021, 03:55:58 PM
he didn't, the club failed him !

We'll never agree on this. Well out of his depth.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: boinging_along on May 24, 2021, 04:08:28 PM
We'll never agree on this. Well out of his depth.

Got us promoted a year earlier than planned.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 24, 2021, 04:12:44 PM
Got us promoted a year earlier than planned.

Stumbled over the line with the highest budget in the division and the only Champions League class player at that level.

A 2 year plan doesn't mean you don't try to get promoted in the 1st season, and achieving said promotion doesn't absolve you of all responsibility for said disastrous 2nd season.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: hardtobeat on May 24, 2021, 04:19:46 PM
Stumbled over the line with the highest budget in the division and the only Champions League class player at that level.

A 2 year plan doesn't mean you don't try to get promoted in the 1st season, and achieving said promotion doesn't absolve you of all responsibility for said disastrous 2nd season.
Achieving a set target a season/ 12 months ahead of schedule doesn’t mean you failed either !
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 24, 2021, 04:24:02 PM
Can we leave this Bilic discussion for another topic?  ::)
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: seteefeet on May 24, 2021, 04:28:06 PM
Achieving a set target a season/ 12 months ahead of schedule doesn’t mean you failed either !
This has to be the biggest myth going. He didn't achieve it early, he merely hit his target. Do you really think the board said "don't worry, this is a two year project, the first year's a free hit, so just chill Slav, have a fag and take your time"
He would have been tasked with getting promoted at the earliest opportunity, simple as, no way would he have been given a 2 year window! If he hadn't got us up first year, he may have been retained, but he just as likely would not.
The fact that the second half of his first season and the first of his second were consistently poor, along with his public criticism of the board and his ever deteriorating demeanour meant he had made his position untenable.
He ad t goo Tom.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SirTonyM on May 24, 2021, 04:31:43 PM
Wilder has shown that he has now idea how to set-up a premier league team that can hurt the opposition and no idea what he is doing in the transfer market. Sheff Utd success in their first year was based solely on all out defence and failed as soon as they lost their keeper. So I agree with you, I do not see Chris Wilder managing again in the premiership, unless of course he gets another championship club promoted and then gets them relegated on the back of it.

Don't teams cut their cloth accordingly. If you look at Sheff Utd's team and squad you would hardly play like 1970 Brazil...The guy got Sheff Utd to 9th. The goal keeper debate is funny to me, Wilder got Henderson to come therefore is a good signing. If Henderson was so brilliant and the future for goalkeeping in England why didn't other teams higher up get him? Its like saying Wilder's so lucky because he signed a good player who did well for him, imagine if he didn't....Can you imagine if Ferguson hadn't signed Cantona he wouldn't have done as well....But he did. Isn't that part of management.
Everyone mentions Brewster and McBurnie but don't seem to mention Stevens, Fleck, Lundstrum, Norwood, Baldock etc. 
I personally am not sure about Wilder but to be perfectly honest when you put him up against some of the other "top" candidates his body of work stands up.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 24, 2021, 04:43:15 PM
Can we leave this Bilic discussion for another topic?  ::)

The post that started the usual staunch defence of the failed Croatian was merely me highlighting that our last 2 managerial appointments have been more ambitious names than we expected. The hoped response would be speculation about people who may appear out of reach (but not unrealistically so).
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 24, 2021, 04:44:24 PM
Don't teams cut their cloth accordingly. If you look at Sheff Utd's team and squad you would hardly play like 1970 Brazil...The guy got Sheff Utd to 9th. The goal keeper debate is funny to me, Wilder got Henderson to come therefore is a good signing. If Henderson was so brilliant and the future for goalkeeping in England why didn't other teams higher up get him? Its like saying Wilder's so lucky because he signed a good player who did well for him, imagine if he didn't....Can you imagine if Ferguson hadn't signed Cantona he wouldn't have done as well....But he did. Isn't that part of management.  Everyone mentions Brewster and McBurnie but don't seem to mention Stevens, Fleck, Lundstrum, Norwood, Baldock etc. I personally am not sure about Wilder but to be perfectly honest when you put him up against some of the other "top" candidates his body of work stands up.

I am more than happy to mention Stevens, Fleck, Lundstrum, Norwood and Baldock. They are are maintstays in a Sheff Utd team that has finished 20th and averaged less than as goal a game for two years.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 24, 2021, 04:47:33 PM
I am more than happy to mention Stevens, Fleck, Lundstrum, Norwood and Baldock. They are are maintstays in a Sheff Utd team that has finished 20th and averaged less than as goal a game for two years.

Agree, it's like when commentators say "[insert name of any Albion defender/keeper] have had a good season"... erm no they haven't they've contributed to a defence that leaked 75 goals and got relegated.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: boinging_along on May 24, 2021, 05:02:03 PM
I'm looking forward to whoever comes next, got to be better than a manager who won 4 games in nearly 6 months of fixtures.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 24, 2021, 05:07:36 PM
I'm looking forward to whoever comes next, got to be better than a manager who won 4 games in nearly 6 months of fixtures.

Agreed, especially seeing as he followed a guy who took 8 months to win his last 4 games.

8 league wins in 14 months... we deserve better.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 24, 2021, 05:33:07 PM
Agreed, especially seeing as he followed a guy who took 8 months to win his last 4 games. 8 league wins in 14 months... we deserve better.

I presume you are including in your eight month period several months when no football was played whilst the league was suspended? You also haven't highlighted that we didn't lost many games either (just seven defeats over the whole season). I don't see any merit in comparing the number of wins we have achieved in the premiership with the championship. Our record last time out in our promotion campaign was 22 W, 17 D & 7 L. It would have been nice to have turned a few more of those draws into wins but considering we had a unreliable keeper and no goalscorer that was nevertheless very good. 

Regardless of whoever is in charge, does anyone on here expect us to get more than 83 points next season? I'd snatch your hand off for that now.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 24, 2021, 05:46:21 PM
I presume you are including in your eight month period several months when no football was played whilst the league was suspended? You also haven't highlighted that we didn't lost many games either (just seven defeats over the whole season). I don't see any merit in comparing the number of wins we have achieved in the premiership with the championship. Our record last time out in our promotion campaign was 22 W, 17 D & 7 L. It would have been nice to have turned a few more of those draws into wins but considering we had a unreliable keeper and no goalscorer that was nevertheless very good. 

Regardless of whoever is in charge, does anyone on here expect us to get more than 83 points next season? I'd snatch your hand off for that now.

What are you on about? Boinging_along and myself highlighted the number of wins Allardyce and Bilic had in the last 14 months. No further input or nuance required if it was I'd have identified that over a third of that entire period and over half of the Bilić portion was played at the lower level.

I think the forum would be united in both expecting and demanding better.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: GREGMT on May 24, 2021, 06:08:18 PM
I don't know where this expectation comes from, when we simply don't have the funds in the Premier League?

Modern Football is more about money and less about the skill of the Football Manager. 

That's why the price we get for Pereira is more important than the identity of the new Boss, this Summer.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 24, 2021, 06:09:06 PM
If we are looking to just get back up for a season, Wilder is an ok shout.

If we are looking at the long term and aiming to stay up, I cannot see that he is the answer.

Surely the latter should be our sole aim.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: johnny Cash on May 24, 2021, 06:09:12 PM
It’s interesting that there is a desire to apply context to a Wilder team that finishing 9th in the premier league  one season, but was then on track for relegation. Yet there doesn’t seem to be the same desire to allow context to a manager who finished second in a league below but was on track to get relegated.


Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SmethDan on May 24, 2021, 06:12:44 PM
It’s interesting that there is a desire to apply context to a Wilder team that finishing 9th in the premier league  one season, but was then on track for relegation. Yet there doesn’t seem to be the same desire to allow context to a manager who finished second in a league below but was on track to get relegated.

I can hear the distant rumble of minds blowing as certain posters try to get their heads around the logic of this concept.........
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: GREGMT on May 24, 2021, 06:19:40 PM
I seriously question the judgement of Wilder for:

1) swapping Robinson for Burke
2) recruiting 38 yr old Jagielka in Premier League

no thanks
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: boinging_along on May 24, 2021, 06:32:02 PM
We've never really had the financial clout to survive in the Prem.  I remember looking at past years net spend and under Megson and early years it would be about £5m in the summer. 

I picture the divisions like the Prem teams, then a big gap to 21st/ top of Championship.  We're in that middle ground and the only way to make the step up is getting luck with a few astute signings and being careful when you drop down.  I don't find any shame in being a "yoyo" club, just means that we struggle to fiancially compete at the top level but we're at least well managed to keep making attempts.

Whether we are still well managed from that point of view we'll find out in 12 months.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggiemart on May 24, 2021, 07:01:54 PM
I seriously question the judgement of Wilder for:

1) swapping Robinson for Burke
2) recruiting 38 yr old Jagielka in Premier League

no thanks
It is totally unfair judging Wilder on one unusual season when there were no fans in the stadium.

That fact alone made a massive difference.  Do you think Liverpool would have finished nearer to Man City or even retained the title if fans were present in Anfield.  Sometimes the crowd at Anfield is worth a goal start.  Do you think The Vile would have had such a good season if their moaning fans would have been on their backs all season.

The same could be said about Sheffield United. How much of a difference would the fans have made at Sheffield. If they had finished half way with fans in suddenly Wilder is a great manager. Also he would still be in a job and we wouldn't have him under consideration !!!

As for the Burke / Robinson deal. He probably looked at getting rid of Robinson because he didn't fit in there and probably swapped him for Burke who may be on a lot less money than Robinson was and possibly a shorter contract.  It was a way how 2 clubs could get rid of 2 spare parts  !!!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Albionic on May 24, 2021, 07:17:35 PM
The post that started the usual staunch defence of the failed Croatian was merely me highlighting that our last 2 managerial appointments have been more ambitious names than we expected. The hoped response would be speculation about people who may appear out of reach (but not unrealistically so).

You can't let it go can you? with comments like "staunch defence of the failed Croatian", its a bit rich tying to defend yourself but at the same time throwing out taunts like that.

Your "big" messiah was equally bad but you hold in such esteem apparently despite getting us relegated with a larger pro rata gap than the croatian

Liam, I apologise for raising to the bait, but its frankly very annoying someone giving out in such a childish manner.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 24, 2021, 07:23:28 PM
You can't let it go can you? with comments like "staunch defence of the failed Croatian", its a bit rich tying to defend yourself but at the same time throwing out taunts like that.

Your "big" messiah was equally bad but you hold in such esteem apparently despite getting us relegated with a larger pro rata gap than the croatian

Liam, I apologise for raising to the bait, but its frankly very annoying someone giving out in such a childish manner.

I'm not sure it's me who can't let it go mate based on the replies.  ;)

Regards the new manager, do you agree we may be surprised by the calibre when the appointment is made?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Albionic on May 24, 2021, 07:25:34 PM
I'm not sure it's me who can't let it go mate based on the replies.  ;)

Regards the new manager, do you agree we may be surprised by the calibre when the appointment is made?

More likely disappointed TBH
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Albertbaggie on May 24, 2021, 07:36:15 PM
I seriously question the judgement of Wilder for:

1) swapping Robinson for Burke
2) recruiting 38 yr old Jagielka in Premier League

no thanks
I'd have taken 38-year-old Jagielka over Peltier and Ivanovic to be fair
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: GREGMT on May 24, 2021, 07:50:19 PM
I'd have taken 38-year-old Jagielka over Peltier and Ivanovic to be fair

Your comments don't add anything earth shattering.  Choosing between Ivanovich and Jagielka is like a choice between the doctor or dentist!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SirTonyM on May 24, 2021, 08:47:17 PM
I am more than happy to mention Stevens, Fleck, Lundstrum, Norwood and Baldock. They are are maintstays in a Sheff Utd team that has finished 20th and averaged less than as goal a game for two years.

It’s as if some managers make mistakes on signings and others don’t. I would say the players Wilder bought in did well last season and not so well this. Have to say hindsight on signings is great. Wilder did well in the championship which is where we will be this season.
I guess I’m scratching my Head to find the brilliant manager who has played attractive swashbuckling football in the premiership (and done it over a few seasons) with defensive solidity who will rock up to the Hawthorns this summer.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Albionic on May 24, 2021, 08:55:06 PM
It’s as if some managers make mistakes on signings and others don’t. I would say the players Wilder bought in did well last season and not so well this. Have to say hindsight on signings is great. Wilder did well in the championship which is where we will be this season.
I guess I’m scratching my Head to find the brilliant manager who has played attractive swashbuckling football in the premiership (and done it over a few seasons) with defensive solidity who will rock up to the Hawthorns this summer.

the nearest was Steve Clarke, not swashbuckling but neither was he overly defensive, thats the secret being balanced and having a plan B & C as required.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: hardtobeat on May 24, 2021, 09:00:08 PM
Just to Chuck another ex Baggies name into the fray Micky Mellon is leaving Dundee United after just one season  8) 8)
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: tuamigos on May 24, 2021, 09:17:02 PM
Just to Chuck another ex Baggies name into the fray Micky Mellon is leaving Dundee United after just one season  8) 8)

Dundee fans seen disappointed that he's going, but please no more ex Baggies.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 24, 2021, 09:19:27 PM
Dundee fans seen disappointed that he's going, but please no more ex Baggies.

Perhaps we could manage by committee. The 5 M's:

Maresca, Morrison, McInnes, Mellon and Moore.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: tuamigos on May 24, 2021, 09:23:53 PM
Perhaps we could manage by committee. The 5 M's:

Maresca, Morrison, McInnes, Mellon and Moore.

According to most of the journos they're all saying Wilder is the standout candidate.
One saying that Lampard would not be adverse to speaking to the board.

Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Dudleylad on May 24, 2021, 09:24:18 PM
As daft as it may sound wonder of Steve Clarke is being considered.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 24, 2021, 09:25:43 PM
As daft as it may sound wonder of Steve Clarke is being considered.

Hope not mate. The gradual collapse of what Hodgson built was a painful watch.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Dudleylad on May 24, 2021, 09:28:15 PM
Im 50/50 with Clarke, he sailed on Roys coattails to a certain extent but wasnt helped by the board after.

Im not a fan of having him as manager but hes another who sort of fits the age bracket as hes only 57.

My personal view is we will go young but not neccesary inexperienced.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on May 24, 2021, 09:29:10 PM
Hope not mate. The gradual collapse of what Hodgson built was a painful watch.

Clarke took us to our highest ever premier finish of 8th
All our problems stretch back to sacking him IMO
Put ourselves in a position to need Pulis to keep us up
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on May 24, 2021, 09:30:12 PM
Do you reckon Frank would fancy it?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 24, 2021, 09:33:34 PM
Do you reckon Frank would fancy it?

Skinner?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on May 24, 2021, 09:35:25 PM
Skinner?

Yeah, Baddiel in his his assistant and Statto as first team coach  ;D
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: tuamigos on May 24, 2021, 09:36:09 PM
Do you reckon Frank would fancy it?

According to one Ian McGarry, Lampard would not be adverse to speaking to us.
I suppose it depends if he's put forward for the Palace/Spurs job
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 24, 2021, 09:39:00 PM
Clarke took us to our highest ever premier finish of 8th
All our problems stretch back to sacking him IMO
Put ourselves in a position to need Pulis to keep us up

Another with something like 4 wins in 10 months. Simply had to go, amazing what a team built by a manager as good as Hodgson can achieve when you add Lukaku in spite of the manager.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: mulliganstired on May 24, 2021, 09:46:01 PM
Do you reckon Frank would fancy it?
I'd rather have someone like Lampard ambitious to prove himself than an old stooge like Wilder after his pension scheme
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: wbasoprano on May 24, 2021, 10:02:22 PM
Another with something like 4 wins in 10 months. Simply had to go, amazing what a team built by a manager as good as Hodgson can achieve when you add Lukaku in spite of the manager.

Losing Gera, Yacob, to injury, Mulumbu to the Africa cup of nations, Odemwingie to QPR  ;) all didn't help after a fantastic start. Lukaku carried us through the rest of the season. Still feel it was Hodgsons work and a lucky loan though, yes.

I'd rather have someone like Lampard ambitious to prove himself than an old stooge like Wilder after his pension scheme

He would raise our profile, I just have my doubts about him as a manager
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggies_24 on May 24, 2021, 10:05:51 PM
I'd rather have someone like Lampard ambitious to prove himself than an old stooge like Wilder after his pension scheme

Wilders 53 & I’d imagine is pretty eager to try and repair his reputation.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 24, 2021, 10:32:25 PM
What are you on about? Boinging_along and myself highlighted the number of wins Allardyce and Bilic had in the last 14 months. No further input or nuance required if it was I'd have identified that over a third of that entire period and over half of the Bilić portion was played at the lower level. I think the forum would be united in both expecting and demanding better.

I was pointing out that it is nonsensical and statistically irrelevant to compare the number of wins achieved in the championship with the number of wins achieved in the premiership. Secondly, amalgamating results over different seasons amounts to an expedient cherry picking exercise.

19/20 was undoubtedly a successful season, regardless of your attempt to brand a promotion season as a failure. 20/21 was unsuccessful, in that we failed to perform a miracle, but it wasn't a failure either, when looked at rationally, against the competition we faced and the resources we put into it, relegation was overwhelmingly likely.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: tambag on May 24, 2021, 11:23:22 PM
When we signed Billic it was not the normal english league appointments of the past.  Could we do that again, looking through managers out of work, how about André Villas-Boas ?? a long shot I know.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Dexy on May 24, 2021, 11:30:28 PM
When we signed Billic it was not the normal english league appointments of the past.  Could we do that again, looking through managers out of work, how about André Villas-Boas ?? a long shot I know.
Key thing for our lot was he'd already played and managed in England .
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 24, 2021, 11:34:21 PM
I was pointing out that it is nonsensical and statistically irrelevant to compare the number of wins achieved in the championship with the number of wins achieved in the premiership. Secondly, amalgamating results over different seasons amounts to an expedient cherry picking exercise.

19/20 was undoubtedly a successful season, regardless of your attempt to brand a promotion season as a failure. 20/21 was unsuccessful, in that we failed to perform a miracle, but it wasn't a failure either, when looked at rationally, against the competition we faced and the resources we put into it, relegation was overwhelmingly likely.

Well quite 4 Premier League wins are better than 1 Premier League win and 3 Championship wins...

I've not suggested the promotion season was a failure, his overall 18 months in charge was though. Allardyce too failed in the end. The entire point of my posts in this thread today is we deserve and expect better than 8 league victories from late Feb 2020 to May 2021, and that both managers were bigger names than we might have expected at the time (and could that happen a third time) instead, we get you defending the indefensible... AGAIN. Its exhausting 😴

When we signed Billic it was not the normal english league appointments of the past.  Could we do that again, looking through managers out of work, how about André Villas-Boas ?? a long shot I know.

This is the sort of debate the post should have generated, so cheers Tambag. Re AVB we'd have to drag him away from Rallying.   :D
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SmethDan on May 25, 2021, 12:29:33 AM
When we signed Billic it was not the normal english league appointments of the past.  Could we do that again, looking through managers out of work, how about André Villas-Boas ?? a long shot I know.

I'm not sure he has happy memories of us........

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/football/17250464.amp
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: mini gaardsoe on May 25, 2021, 12:56:01 AM
From someone who watches Marseille a lot, we don’t want AVB anywhere near The Hawthorns, trust me!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: tuamigos on May 25, 2021, 06:29:06 AM
From someone who watches Marseille a lot, we don’t want AVB anywhere near The Hawthorns, trust me!

Care to elaborate?
His record since leaving Spurs is actually very good.
He walked out on Marseille in February because they signed a loan player against his wishes (Dowling might have a few probs there).
Would like to see that kind of appointment TBH, but suspect he would want more than the reported £25k a week on offer here
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: colinmax on May 25, 2021, 07:41:45 AM
As fans we will obviously suggest people we have heard of as the new manager but the club should be more professional.
Most successful managers started at the bottom so surely there are some managers in the Championship,League 1 or League 2 who would be ideal for us and it is Luke Dowling's job to find them.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: ben_westbrom on May 25, 2021, 07:51:23 AM
Care to elaborate?
His record since leaving Spurs is actually very good.
He walked out on Marseille in February because they signed a loan player against his wishes (Dowling might have a few probs there).
Would like to see that kind of appointment TBH, but suspect he would want more than the reported £25k a week on offer here

He made his debut in the World Rally Championship yesterday too, so he's probably not go interested in coming to manage us at the moment. I like him as a manager though.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheBaggieMan on May 25, 2021, 08:18:44 AM
It’s reported Scott Parker is on shaky ground at Fulham.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: lewisant on May 25, 2021, 09:31:02 AM
It’s reported Scott Parker is on shaky ground at Fulham.

This is why it is important to find the right appointment but also not twiddling our thumbs and taking too long!

What happened to Bruno Labbadia who was very strongly linked and suggested to have had advanced talks with us before we focused on Bilic? I will actually Google it but I remember researching him a lot last time and being quite taken by him!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: seteefeet on May 25, 2021, 09:37:06 AM
I don't see it being a name from left field, think whoever it is will have been discussed on here. My money would be on Wilder and we couldn't really argue if that was the case, he's got numerous promotions on his CV, including one from the Championship, and a very good Prem finish, therefore ticks the most important boxes.. Might seem a bit underwhelming, based on last season, but I don't think the recruitment could generate that much criticism. My worry is, he could just be a Paul Jewell or Phil Brown who does well at one club and then loses his way.

Lampard would probably be my choice, he seems keen to progress and improve, whilst remaining humble about his level of experience. Chelsea came too early for him but was impossible to turn down. Hopefully, a bit like Roy at Liverpool, he will take a step back and have a point to prove. Could end the same way, however, should he come here and be successful!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: mulliganstired on May 25, 2021, 09:39:26 AM
I don't see it being a name from left field, think whoever it is will have been discussed on here. My money would be on Wilder and we couldn't really argue if that was the case, he's got numerous promotions on his CV, including one from the Championship, and a very good Prem finish, therefore ticks the most important boxes.. Might seem a bit underwhelming, based on last season, but I don't think the recruitment could generate that much criticism. My worry is, he could just be a Paul Jewell or Phil Brown who does well at one club and then loses his way.

Lampard would probably be my choice, he seems keen to progress and improve, whilst remaining humble about his level of experience. Chelsea came too early for him but was impossible to turn down. Hopefully, a bit like Roy at Liverpool, he will take a step back and have a point to prove. Could end the same way, however, should he come here and be successful!
I was going to post earlier querying whether Wilder might be "another Phil Brown or Paul Jewell", but I genuinely couldn't remember their names, that's how far they have fallen
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 25, 2021, 10:02:16 AM
This is why it is important to find the right appointment but also not twiddling our thumbs and taking too long!

What happened to Bruno Labbadia who was very strongly linked and suggested to have had advanced talks with us before we focused on Bilic? I will actually Google it but I remember researching him a lot last time and being quite taken by him!

8 wins in 27 I think it was before he got the sack at Hertha Belin.

Alex1 posted a good summary on Labbadia some weeks ago.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: tuamigos on May 25, 2021, 10:06:42 AM
He made his debut in the World Rally Championship yesterday too, so he's probably not go interested in coming to manage us at the moment. I like him as a manager though.

So getting here shouldn't be a problem  :o
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 25, 2021, 10:09:35 AM
8 wins in 27 I think it was before he got the sack at Hertha Belin.

Alex1 posted a good summary on Labbadia some weeks ago.

Puts our current run of 8 wins in 49 games to shame 😂
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: tuamigos on May 25, 2021, 10:10:52 AM
There was a report in one of the papers last week saying that Sam had a meeting with Dowling to give his input into who we should be looking at, as our next manager.
Reading between the lines I don't think Sam is a great admirer of foreign coaches, so some of the more exotic names on here could be well wide of the mark.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: wbasoprano on May 25, 2021, 10:29:54 AM
There was a report in one of the papers last week saying that Sam had a meeting with Dowling to give his input into who we should be looking at, as our next manager.
Reading between the lines I don't think Sam is a great admirer of foreign coaches, so some of the more exotic names on here could be well wide of the mark.

Rules Pardiola out then
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Dexy on May 25, 2021, 10:46:02 AM
Somebody whose ITK ( and has been spot on this season ) has it Dowling is pushing for Wilder and the owners are keen on Lampard .
Nice to see we are setting off on the right foot together  ???
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: seteefeet on May 25, 2021, 11:01:25 AM
Somebody whose ITK ( and has been spot on this season ) has it Dowling is pushing for Wilder and the owners are keen on Lampard .
Nice to see we are setting off on the right foot together  ???
That completely goes against the narrative that Wilder does not work well with a DoF.

I'm glad they are, at least, looking at different options and the owners are actually involved  :o
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Dexy on May 25, 2021, 11:07:13 AM
That completely goes against the narrative that Wilder does not work well with a DoF.

I'm glad they are, at least, looking at different options and the owners are actually involved  :o
Lampard I'd suspect is because of his name , thats just my view .
Wilder I  imagine would  be like Allardyce in demanding who he wants .
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Mister AT on May 25, 2021, 11:09:52 AM
Maresca set to take the Parma job so that rules him off the list.

Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: seteefeet on May 25, 2021, 11:12:26 AM
Lampard I'd suspect is because of his name , thats just my view .
Wilder I  imagine would  be like Allardyce in demanding who he wants .
Agree re Lampard but even a bost clock is right twice a day! I don't really mind their thought process if they come to the right decision.
Strange that Dowling is the one championing a bloke who, by all accounts, prefers to work without a DoF. Unless...... Dowling just thinks, less work for me and it'll be him that eventually gets the sack anyway.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Dexy on May 25, 2021, 11:28:45 AM
Agree re Lampard but even a bost clock is right twice a day! I don't really mind their thought process if they come to the right decision.
Strange that Dowling is the one championing a bloke who, by all accounts, prefers to work without a DoF. Unless...... Dowling just thinks, less work for me and it'll be him that eventually gets the sack anyway.
Don't think I've been less interested in the next boss and that's down to knowing who he'll be working with and for .
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 25, 2021, 11:41:34 AM
Somebody whose ITK ( and has been spot on this season ) has it Dowling is pushing for Wilder and the owners are keen on Lampard .
Nice to see we are setting off on the right foot together  ???


Good grief. Just get rid of the bloke.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: tuamigos on May 25, 2021, 11:41:46 AM
Looks as if they might be interested in Frank as well
https://www.westbromnews.co.uk/2021/05/25/west-brom-likely-to-interview-ex-chelsea-boss-frank-lampard/
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: hardtobeat on May 25, 2021, 12:02:11 PM
People seem to have forgotten a couple of things regarding Lampard and his first season at Chelsea 1) They were under a transfer embargo for two windows 2) Hazard was sold ! His problems seemed to start when he was able to spend , should be ok here   ;D ;D
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: mulliganstired on May 25, 2021, 12:07:56 PM
At least Lampard must have so much money that he will be most interested in building/rebuilding his reputation.  We would be ideal for that.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: seteefeet on May 25, 2021, 12:09:27 PM
Maresca set to take the Parma job so that rules him off the list.
Just finished bottom with a worse record than us. Hope he does well and gets them back up.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Atomic on May 25, 2021, 12:16:37 PM
Lampard would be my preferred option. Thinking longish term, if we go up I'd be more confident of staying up under him and he's young enough to develop us in the PL. Given his status in the game our profile will grow and that is something the club urgently needs.

The likes of Wilder and Howe are good managers though. For once I agree with Joe Masi on his latest podcast, people always look for negatives but actually these managers have very good records.

The one concern I've have about Wilder is his hunger. He's been a manager for a long time and probably achieved his goal managing his boyhood club and I'd also have a slight concern that the game is changing and Wilder is from the last managerial generation.

Lampard is young and still eager to succeed being relatively new to management. He'd be my choice.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 25, 2021, 12:17:45 PM
I initially went for Lampard then changed my mind because I thought it was unrealistic; but why not?

Would be an interesting journey...
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 25, 2021, 12:18:21 PM
Puts our current run of 8 wins in 49 games to shame 😂

I be intrigued to know how many games our current squad you think should have won in the premiership across the 38 game season? Bearing in mind that two managers with very different philosophies could not get anything out of them at that level.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 25, 2021, 12:20:20 PM
People seem to have forgotten a couple of things regarding Lampard and his first season at Chelsea 1) They were under a transfer embargo for two windows 2) Hazard was sold ! His problems seemed to start when he was able to spend , should be ok here   ;D ;D

Chelsea sacked him prematurely just before an easy run of fixtures and their team is no more reliable now under the new boss, as Villa showed at the weekend. Abramovich is just one of those chairman who likes to sack the manager at the first sign of a dip in form.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: seteefeet on May 25, 2021, 12:20:42 PM
Lampard would be my preferred option. Thinking longish term, if we go up I'd be more confident of staying up under him and he's young enough to develop us in the PL. Given his status in the game our profile will grow and that is something the club urgently needs.

The likes of Wilder and Howe are good managers though. For once I agree with Joe Masi on his latest podcast, people always look for negatives but actually these managers have very good records.

The one concern I've have about Wilder is his hunger. He's been a manager for a long time and probably achieved his goal managing his boyhood club and I'd also have a slight concern that the game is changing and Wilder is from the last managerial generation.

Lampard is young and still eager to succeed being relatively new to management. He'd be my choice.
And then he'd get the England job!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 25, 2021, 12:26:28 PM
I initially went for Lampard then changed my mind because I thought it was unrealistic; but why not?

Would be an interesting journey...

Can’t wait to see our expansive passing from the back with Ajayi, Bartley and O’Shea

We would then need a new centre half in the summer.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 25, 2021, 12:31:51 PM
Can’t wait to see our expansive passing from the back with Ajayi, Bartley and O’Shea  We would then need a new centre half in the summer.

I don't think any of them are too bad on the ball, not Pirlo granted. I'd like to think that Lampard would be reasonably pragmatic to work with the tools he has. Although this is probably completely redundant as I see the news that Lampard is on our shortlist as no more than leverage to negotiate Wilder's salary down.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Atomic on May 25, 2021, 12:33:31 PM
Can’t wait to see our expansive passing from the back with Ajayi, Bartley and O’Shea

We would then need a new centre half in the summer.

The thing is we are still good enough for the top six even with dodgy footballers playing out from the back.

O'Shea can do it although we've seen no evidence of it under Allardyce. OShea seemed to take the John Smith's approach, boot it forward.

Ajayi will make errors playing out but will get away with it more often than not in the Champ. His pace for one help him recover.

Barts - If we are going to play out from the back we might as well sell him to Burnley.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 25, 2021, 12:41:20 PM
The thing is we are still good enough for the top six even with dodgy footballers playing out from the back.

O'Shea can do it although we've seen no evidence of it under Allardyce. OShea seemed to take the John Smith's approach, boot it forward. Ajayi will make errors playing out but will get away with it more often than not in the Champ. His pace for one help him recover. Barts - If we are going to play out from the back we might as well sell him to Burnley.

Are we good enough for the top six though? I think it is highly debatable.

- Last time out we had a young Nathan Ferguson playing out of his skin until Christmas
- Edwards played an important role off the bench, I'd be surprised if he even features
- Sawyers and Livermore, after the last 12 months they aren't going to be any better, slower & older
- Our limited choice of strikers is now even worse than last time in the championship
- Dianganna has been damaged by Allardyce
- Wilder already has binned off Robinson, and is favourite for the job
- Everyone thinks Pereira is going, our talisman

Bilic got every drop out of the squad to get us to 83 points, including the foresight to bring in a few players from the academy. Whoever comes in this summer IMV will not be as effective and is working with a team with no strength in depth, so as soon as we get into November time and a few injuries kick in then we could tumble into mid-table very quickly. If we hire someone like Wilder then it also requires a complete rebuild of the squad to suit his brutal physical brand of defensive football.

The best thing I can say is that we are not the only club entering into next season in the championship in a mess.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SirTonyM on May 25, 2021, 12:41:52 PM
Every manager has different sides to the argument of how well they have done.
Lampard took Derby from 6th to 6th in the champ.
Personally I think the transfer ban helped him, he had no choice on who to play. Also people talking about his achievement with Chelsea. They had just won the Europa league and come 3rd under Sarri. With their ban they managed to buy Pulisic. If you look through their squad they weren’t exactly struggling for quality players.
When he had money to spend he didn’t know what his best team was.
I am not anti-Lampard I am so on the fence, not been convinced so far (and there seems to be an arrogance that comes with him) but young enough that he could do well.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: GREGMT on May 25, 2021, 12:43:04 PM
Surely the outstanding candidate is Lampard?

If he wants to come to B71, then why are we interviewing anyone else?

Would probably pave the way for another season loan of Gallagher (Chelsea link).

Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Atomic on May 25, 2021, 12:46:55 PM
Every manager has different sides to the argument of how well they have done.
Lampard took Derby from 6th to 6th in the champ.
Personally I think the transfer ban helped him, he had no choice on who to play. Also people talking about his achievement with Chelsea. They had just won the Europa league and come 3rd under Sarri. With their ban they managed to buy Pulisic. If you look through their squad they weren’t exactly struggling for quality players.
When he had money to spend he didn’t know what his best team was.
I am not anti-Lampard I am so on the fence, not been convinced so far (and there seems to be an arrogance that comes with him) but young enough that he could do well.

From what I've heard people from within Chelsea think the job came a bit too soon for Lampard. Hardly surprising as he'd had only two seasons at Derby as a manager.

Even so, he finished in the top four and got to the FA Cup final.

When you read it like that we'd be bloody stupid not to appoint him.

However, next season wasnt so good, but Chelsea were hardly relegation candidates.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: KN22 on May 25, 2021, 12:52:59 PM
Looks as if they might be interested in Frank as well
https://www.westbromnews.co.uk/2021/05/25/west-brom-likely-to-interview-ex-chelsea-boss-frank-lampard/

I genuinely hope so. Has the right ideas about how the game should be played in my opinion.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 25, 2021, 12:55:44 PM
I genuinely hope so. Has the right ideas about how the game should be played in my opinion.

If we appoint Lampard he needs to out of retirement asap. Would improve our midfield tremendously!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: KN22 on May 25, 2021, 01:03:44 PM
If we appoint Lampard he needs to out of retirement asap. Would improve our midfield tremendously!

Many a true word spoken in jest  :D
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: wodenson46 on May 25, 2021, 01:11:44 PM
Not keen originally but after looking beyond his 'name' and Chelsea connection, Lampard seems to have done an ok, even decent job in his prior appointments. Even though the Chelsea job appeared 'too big' for him at the time, he was subject to a very difficult and challenging specific set of circumstances, yet still managed a top 6 finish and provided the groundwork for a similar following season.

I believe that Lampard may well be a very good fit for us now, and possibly for whatever length of time constitutes the future. He seems to hold the same or similar football philosophies traditionally associated with WBA, and most importantly, similar to those which suit most of our current team. So until somebody better turns up, put me in the Lampard for West Brom column, in the hope that the journey to success for both parties  might begin here.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Albionic on May 25, 2021, 01:18:07 PM
Lamps is far preferable to Wilder, football and strategy wise (strategy ! who am I kidding??)
Might prompt the demise of Dowling too :-)  Bonus

Much prefer to succeed or fail playing football than "hoof & chase ball"
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Baltic on May 25, 2021, 01:26:25 PM
If we appoint Lampard he needs to out of retirement asap. Would improve our midfield tremendously!

And perhaps Frank Lampard senior, a decent shout for the Peltier role!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 25, 2021, 01:31:20 PM
I believe that Lampard may well be a very good fit for us now, and possibly for whatever length of time constitutes the future.
I could only see him being here for 2 seasons at most. If we didn't get promoted in that timeframe he'd be gone and, if we did get promoted in the first season and stayed up in the second, someone else would take him off us. If we went up in the first season and then got relegated again, I think he'd be gone in that scenario too.

I suppose he might conceivably stay longer if we failed to get promoted next season, but he remained here and we got promoted the following season. Ultimately though, someone like him would regard us as being the briefest of stepping stone towards a bigger job, whereas my preference would be for a Board attitude and managerial incumbent both buying into a longer term strategy.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: alex1 on May 25, 2021, 01:41:51 PM
It’s reported Scott Parker is on shaky ground at Fulham.
If that's true, Lampard is likely to be interested. Wouldn't even need to move house. So if we are genuinely interested, we need to get our skates on.

Although my preference is for Edin Terzic or Peter Bosz, I would be happy with Lampard as his teams play attacking expansive football where there would be room for some flair players. I also think he would attract some better players to the club. I know for a fact that Timo Werner moved to Chelsea because of Lampard. 
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: smethwickw on May 25, 2021, 01:52:10 PM
Bournemouth are also in the market for a new manager so I believe. Surely a more attractive proposition than we are?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: lewisant on May 25, 2021, 02:30:52 PM
I be intrigued to know how many games our current squad you think should have won in the premiership across the 38 game season? Bearing in mind that two managers with very different philosophies could not get anything out of them at that level.

He was commenting on the Bruno Labaddia post and comparing his record to West Brom’s. Feels like we’re constantly slipping back to Bilic and Allardyce debate in veiled ways all the time.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 25, 2021, 02:40:19 PM
He was commenting on the Bruno Labaddia post and comparing his record to West Brom’s. Feels like we’re constantly slipping back to Bilic and Allardyce debate in veiled ways all the time.

You're right, and I look forward to the next manager taking over and focusing on the season ahead. At present I put us at 70/30% odds against promotion next season but will reevaluate that once we have a manager and after the transfer window has closed and we can judge the squad we have more accurately. I just hope we avoid doing a Stoke.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: alex1 on May 25, 2021, 02:40:50 PM

What happened to Bruno Labbadia who was very strongly linked and suggested to have had advanced talks with us before we focused on Bilic? I will actually Google it but I remember researching him a lot last time and being quite taken by him!
I get German satellite tv and haven't seen him linked to any clubs since being sacked by Hertha Berlin last January. And there have been quite a few vacancies. According to Wikepidia he had a win percentage of 28% and lasted 28 matches. Having said that, his teams play decent attacking football, but I get the impression with him that alot is down to charisma and creating a good team spirit. How that would work over here I've no idea.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: MarkW on May 25, 2021, 02:41:48 PM
Bournemouth are also in the market for a new manager so I believe. Surely a more attractive proposition than we are?

Did Woodgate get sacked? Or was he only a caretaker?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 25, 2021, 02:44:32 PM
I get German satellite tv and haven't seen him linked to any clubs since being sacked by Hertha Berlin last January. And there have been quite a few vacancies. According to Wikepidia he had a win percentage of 28% and lasted 28 matches. Having said that, his teams play decent attacking football, but I get the impression with him that alot is down to charisma and creating a good team spirit. How that would work over here I've no idea.

Sounds like a German version of Kevin Keegan. I think whoever it has must ideally have some experience of management in England, else it is a massive gamble that we end up with another Pepe Mel.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: alex1 on May 25, 2021, 02:51:22 PM
Sounds like a German version of Kevin Keegan. I think whoever it has must ideally have some experience of management in England, else it is a massive gamble that we end up with another Pepe Mel.
Then you'd have ruled out Daniel Farke, Nuno and Hassenhuttl, to name just 3 off the top of my head. Klopp had never managed outside of Germany.
I think its a gamble with any manager wherever they come from. However, if their track record is good enough elsewhere, I think its a gamble worth taking.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 25, 2021, 02:54:41 PM
Then you'd have ruled out Daniel Farke, Nuno and Hassenhuttl, to name just 3 off the top of my head.
I think its a gamble with any manager wherever they come from. However, if their track record is good enough elsewhere, I think its a gamble worth taking.

I'm not saying never do it, just weight up the risks involved against the other options. We as a club have chosen to employ a very short term strategy. As much as in an ideal world we would seek to do a Norwich / Daniel Farke we passed that opportunity up when we sacked Bilic (sorry to bring him up again). Now, it is imperative we get promoted within the next two season whilst we still have parachute payments. So we don't have time for someone to come in who doesn't understand the league, to learn the ropes. Whoever gets the job needs to hit the ground running.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Pie on May 25, 2021, 02:57:11 PM
Are we good enough for the top six though? I think it is highly debatable.

- Last time out we had a young Nathan Ferguson playing out of his skin until Christmas
- Edwards played an important role off the bench, I'd be surprised if he even features
- Sawyers and Livermore, after the last 12 months they aren't going to be any better, slower & older
- Our limited choice of strikers is now even worse than last time in the championship
- Dianganna has been damaged by Allardyce
- Wilder already has binned off Robinson, and is favourite for the job
- Everyone thinks Pereira is going, our talisman

Bilic got every drop out of the squad to get us to 83 points, including the foresight to bring in a few players from the academy. Whoever comes in this summer IMV will not be as effective and is working with a team with no strength in depth, so as soon as we get into November time and a few injuries kick in then we could tumble into mid-table very quickly. If we hire someone like Wilder then it also requires a complete rebuild of the squad to suit his brutal physical brand of defensive football.

The best thing I can say is that we are not the only club entering into next season in the championship in a mess.

But remember how we felt in the summer Bilic was appointed? I rememebr very similar feelings regarding the quality, and lack of numbers within the squad. We then managed to sign some good players at the end of the window and had Ferguson and O'Shea come through the ranks. Whats to say we won't have a similar situation next season.

I'm warming towards Lampard only if he realy has the desire to spend a few years at the club developing it. I can accept being used as a stepping stone but not at the first opportunity. He neds to prove his long term worth with a club.

Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 25, 2021, 03:14:29 PM
Now, it is imperative we get promoted within the next two season whilst we still have parachute payments. So we don't have time for someone to come in who doesn't understand the league, to learn the ropes. Whoever gets the job needs to hit the ground running.
You presumably wouldn't think that just after being promoted would be a good time for someone to learn the ropes either, which leaves me wondering exactly when an appropriate time would actually be?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: BB74 on May 25, 2021, 03:27:46 PM
Bournemouth are also in the market for a new manager so I believe. Surely a more attractive proposition than we are?

In what way? If you want to live by the coast then yes, otherwise we are a bigger catch than Bournemouth.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: lewisant on May 25, 2021, 03:28:19 PM
You're right, and I look forward to the next manager taking over and focusing on the season ahead. At present I put us at 70/30% odds against promotion next season but will reevaluate that once we have a manager and after the transfer window has closed and we can judge the squad we have more accurately. I just hope we avoid doing a Stoke.

I haven’t actually noticed but who are your ideal candidates?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: lewisant on May 25, 2021, 03:29:27 PM
I get German satellite tv and haven't seen him linked to any clubs since being sacked by Hertha Berlin last January. And there have been quite a few vacancies. According to Wikepidia he had a win percentage of 28% and lasted 28 matches. Having said that, his teams play decent attacking football, but I get the impression with him that alot is down to charisma and creating a good team spirit. How that would work over here I've no idea.

Sounds like Bilic!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: smethwickw on May 25, 2021, 04:26:00 PM
In what way? If you want to live by the coast then yes, otherwise we are a bigger catch than Bournemouth.

I see them as a well run club with stable ownership and an identity. Add in the location and yes it is far more attractive IMO.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on May 25, 2021, 04:31:57 PM
Mellon has left Dundee by mutual consent. Time to be worried.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 25, 2021, 04:38:29 PM
Mellon has left Dundee by mutual consent. Time to be worried.

It's more like "mutual consent". Fans unhappy with style of play, ignoring youth players. Chairman saying they want someone to match their long term vision. He's been sacked. Shouldn't be on our radar having managed no higher than League One.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: boinging_along on May 25, 2021, 04:42:35 PM
It's more like "mutual consent". Fans unhappy with style of play, ignoring youth players. Chairman saying they want someone to match their long term vision. He's been sacked.

Sounds like Sam when he left West Ham and Everton...
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: alex1 on May 25, 2021, 04:48:31 PM
Maresca set to take the Parma job so that rules him off the list.
Will be interesting to see how he gets on. May be one for the future.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 25, 2021, 04:56:12 PM
Will be interesting to see how he gets on. May be one for the future.

Glad he's got a job but glad he's not here. Hope he does well though of course.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 25, 2021, 05:04:29 PM
Sounds like Sam when he left West Ham and Everton...

No idea why you've mentioned Allardyce? He was sacked by Everton and West Ham didn't offer him a new contract therefore effectively sacking him (he subsequently said he wouldn't have signed a new deal anyway). Nothing like the way the Mellon departure has been presented.  ???
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: liverbaggie on May 25, 2021, 05:30:03 PM
Just a horrible thought.
I would love to see lampard as coach/  manager, if it happened he wouldn't walk down to Aston to pick up Mr. Terry would he as ass coach?
Surely not?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: wbasoprano on May 25, 2021, 05:41:28 PM
Just a horrible thought.
I would love to see lampard as coach/  manager, if it happened he wouldn't walk down to Aston to pick up Mr. Terry would he as ass coach?
Surely not?

Ass coach is more Grealish's department
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: WBA.R.K on May 25, 2021, 05:45:36 PM
Just a horrible thought.
I would love to see lampard as coach/  manager, if it happened he wouldn't walk down to Aston to pick up Mr. Terry would he as ass coach?
Surely not?

I would hope the board aren't stupid enough to associate themselves with someone like Terry, certainly not at our club and with our history.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Gilsey 56 on May 25, 2021, 08:19:19 PM
I see Jokanovic is also in the frame according to Alan Nixon in the mail, 2 promotions to his name and plays positive football,
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 25, 2021, 08:25:04 PM
I see Jokanovic is also in the frame according to Alan Nixon in the mail, 2 promotions to his name and plays positive football,


He said Sheff Utd are quite far down the way with him but it ain't over till it's over i guess.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: WBA on May 25, 2021, 09:41:23 PM
As Enzo has today been appointed Parma manager I'd be happy with Lampard.   Massive opportunity missed with Enzo, will probably be managing Juve or Milan in 2 years. 

Big Sam said he'd told the board we should appoint a 'young and ambitious manager'.  That ain't Wilder who looks past his sell-by date.

Lampard's odds are tumbling and Wilder's going the other way.  Bet Victor now have them joint favourite at 4/1.

Mark Robins should also be in the running, done a fantastic job for Cov and has an eye for talent.

We won't pay Jokanovic what he wants. 
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on May 25, 2021, 09:43:34 PM
I see Jokanovic is also in the frame according to Alan Nixon in the mail, 2 promotions to his name and plays positive football,

Worked with Dowling at Watford....
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: frazzle on May 25, 2021, 09:44:38 PM
Lampard would be my preferred option. Thinking longish term, if we go up I'd be more confident of staying up under him and he's young enough to develop us in the PL. Given his status in the game our profile will grow and that is something the club urgently needs.

The likes of Wilder and Howe are good managers though. For once I agree with Joe Masi on his latest podcast, people always look for negatives but actually these managers have very good records.

The one concern I've have about Wilder is his hunger. He's been a manager for a long time and probably achieved his goal managing his boyhood club and I'd also have a slight concern that the game is changing and Wilder is from the last managerial generation.

Lampard is young and still eager to succeed being relatively new to management. He'd be my choice.

Good post and good point about Wilder potentially losing his hunger. I have no reason to doubt him but I just have a feeling that he may have peaked at his favourite club and anything else will be a disappointment. Lampard will be driven and ambitious and will play decent football.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: mulliganstired on May 25, 2021, 09:47:54 PM
Good post and good point about Wilder potentially losing his hunger. I have no reason to doubt him but I just have a feeling that he may have peaked at his favourite club and anything else will be a disappointment. Lampard will be driven and ambitious and will play decent football.
This is what I think.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Mister AT on May 25, 2021, 09:51:10 PM
Bournemouth are also in the market for a new manager so I believe. Surely a more attractive proposition than we are?

Smaller budget
Smaller ground
Smaller training facilities
About to lose a few of their top earners due to not getting promoted.

We are a more attractive proposition.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 25, 2021, 10:09:42 PM
Smaller budget
Smaller ground
Smaller training facilities
About to lose a few of their top earners due to not getting promoted.

We are a more attractive proposition.

I'm not so sure about the smaller budget bit, their owner is a billionaire.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 25, 2021, 10:16:50 PM
I'm not so sure about the smaller budget bit, their owner is a billionaire.
so is ours...
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie82 on May 25, 2021, 10:23:47 PM
so is ours...

I'm afraid he isn't, Lai needed to a long term loan to buy the club and attached himself to a funding group. Peace managed to sell us to the only Chinese owner without any real money.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: BaggieNick on May 25, 2021, 11:01:16 PM
I'm afraid he isn't, Lai needed to a long term loan to buy the club and attached himself to a funding group. Peace managed to sell us to the only Chinese owner without any real money.

The tightest Englishman flogged the club to the tightest Chinese.

The rest is history. Painful history...
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 26, 2021, 08:02:12 AM
I see Jokanovic is also in the frame according to Alan Nixon in the mail, 2 promotions to his name and plays positive football,

I think it’s once bitten twice shy with him..
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Standaman on May 26, 2021, 08:09:46 AM
I don't like either of the two front runners Lampard or Wilder. For different reasons they are missteps or at the very least journeys down cul-de-sac's we have visited before and probably shouldn't again.

Wilder is generally acknowledged to be on our short list and purely on his record of achievement if you discount this season is worthy of consideration for a position at a mid level English club who for the last 20 years straggled the top half of the Championship and bottom half of the Premier League.

The reason for Lampard's odds have shortened is because and I quote "Lampard's people have let it be known that he would consider the West Brom job" it is at this point I find it difficult to carry on without breaching the forum rules on swearing. 

Okay having composed myself I will continue.

Wilder's style is fairly pragmatic and has a long track record of achieving results aside from this season but his advocates point to injuries to key personnel disputes with the ownership and basically suggest we should look beyond it. I tend to agree in general if short termism bedevils football then you need look beyond the here and now in both directions. How has a coach performed and based on that how is likely to perform in the future is he still developing as a coach can club and coach grow together?

The answer in Wilder's case is we are buying an off the shelf solution it is what it is if it works fine if it doesn't don't expect Wilder 2.1 to spring from nowhere. In this case it get's very difficult to overlook last season because the warning signs are there. Wilder seems very attached to 3-5-2 and he remained attached to it when things were plainly not working. He did have the personnel to make changes certainly up to the point that Berge got injured but he chose not to make them that is worrying.

Lampard the big name former player making his way as a coach but without any depth to his coaching experience.   He is learning on the job which is fine if it is some other club's job.

He should have never got a Head Coach job as a rookie at Derby and was over promoted at Chelsea. By point of comparison Daniel Farke had over 7 years coaching experience before he got his first Head Coach job at mid-table Championship Norwich City. Does anybody think that Lampard is such a quick learner that he can pick up know-how at twice the rate that Farke can?

We are buying his reputation as player but he is not playing for us he is coaching us. Do we promote cabin crew to the pilot's seat without extensive retraining? No nor should we.

Jokanovic is a name that has also cropped up I see. There is a choice to be made there and it is his to make. Do you want to coach in European football at a level that is in keeping with your experience to date which is largely Teir 2 football? Or do you want to earn a shed load of money working on the fringes in places like Qatar? Either or but not both unless Fulham sack Scot Parker. Even here I am not sure he would qualify for a work permit unless he managed to obtained residency status during his previous stints here.

To date it is uninspiring field and I'm quite warming to Alex Neil*


*Not my first choice or even on my short list but a measure of how much I dislike the other names. 

Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 26, 2021, 08:11:13 AM
The thing is we are still good enough for the top six even with dodgy footballers playing out from the back.

O'Shea can do it although we've seen no evidence of it under Allardyce. OShea seemed to take the John Smith's approach, boot it forward.

Ajayi will make errors playing out but will get away with it more often than not in the Champ. His pace for one help him recover.

Barts - If we are going to play out from the back we might as well sell him to Burnley.

It was more a recognition of the wider work which needs to go into the playing squad to suit Lampards methods.

We’ve seen Bartley playing out from the back before and it’s why he’s known on this forum as calamity Kyle. From what I’ve seen of O’Shea there is very little composure with the ball at feet.

They might be able to wing it in the championship but it’s going to need severely addressing in the Premiership.

In comparison, the last time Lampard was in this division he had Tomori and Keogh who are much better ball players and much better defenders than our current crop and much more equipped to his style.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: darbolina on May 26, 2021, 08:23:20 AM
This is what I think.

Me too, in the past we were quite good at picking managers 'on the up' - Megson, Mowbray, Di Matteo. Based on the apparent shortlist, Lampard seems to be on the up, along with Cooper who I think will be a top coach long term , not sure Alex Neil has reached his plateau already. I can only see Wilder as short term hopeful option which has Dowling written all over it...........
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: AidantheBaggies on May 26, 2021, 09:52:57 AM
I am not fully convinced that this is just a two way battle between Lampard and Wilder. We have gone 'left field' in the past, so nothing would surprise me. Although Dowling does not seem to be very 'adventurous' and according to some journalists he has not got a very big contact book. Interesting few weeks ahead, my first choice would be Lampard, did a good job at Derby and Chelsea to a point although i think that job came far too soon for him. Not a huge fan of Wilder to be honest, seems to lack a 'Plan B' and has made some very questionable transfer signings.

I'd not be against Appleton but i cant see him coning to us just yet.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: tuamigos on May 26, 2021, 10:09:02 AM
I see Jokanovic is also in the frame according to Alan Nixon in the mail, 2 promotions to his name and plays positive football,

Also linked with the Sheff Utd job according to the same reporter
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: seteefeet on May 26, 2021, 10:22:51 AM
Also linked with the Sheff Utd job according to the same reporter
Looks like Sheff U more likely which is a shame because he has a very good record.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on May 26, 2021, 10:44:15 AM
I am not fully convinced that this is just a two way battle between Lampard and Wilder. We have gone 'left field' in the past, so nothing would surprise me. Although Dowling does not seem to be very 'adventurous' and according to some journalists he has not got a very big contact book. Interesting few weeks ahead, my first choice would be Lampard, did a good job at Derby and Chelsea to a point although i think that job came far too soon for him. Not a huge fan of Wilder to be honest, seems to lack a 'Plan B' and has made some very questionable transfer signings.

I'd not be against Appleton but i cant see him coning to us just yet.

He did OK, finished 6th and hardly pulled the trees up.

His appointment was for me a romantic one born out of the country's universal 'love' for him. Thus evolved 'Frank Lampard's Derby County'. Everyone wanted him to succeed and in a way he did, to the point he got the Chelsea job just like that. He started well but then tailed off, and was shown the door shortly after.

Lampard is a gamble. I have no doubt he would come to us with all good intentions. If he is going to remain in the management game he needs a 'win' on his record. There is no doubt he is well connected and may get some very decent loan signings to come to us, like he did at Derby. We will become 'Frank Lampard's West Bromwich Albion' and as with any appointment it may work. Of the insipid list of names mentioned to date he would be my choice probably. To be honest I am struggling to think of anyone better; when we appointed Bilic we all thought we had got the golden ticket and that ended badly.

I don't really listen to the media speculation, a chimp can write most of the rubbish I have seen so far. They are on the whole very good at telling us the obvious and what we already know.

So reluctantly I fall on the side of Lampard because he is young, hopefully hungry and he has already had his dream job so that will not be a distraction.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: loucanova on May 26, 2021, 11:44:17 AM
Am surprised Craig Shakespeare name hasn’t been mentioned as a decent candidate by a few more people.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: OhBilics on May 26, 2021, 11:54:33 AM
Then you'd have ruled out Daniel Farke, Nuno and Hassenhuttl, to name just 3 off the top of my head. Klopp had never managed outside of Germany.
I wonder how many English managers are managing teams in Italy, France, Spain, Germany and so on. Not many, I'd imagine.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: OhBilics on May 26, 2021, 11:57:41 AM
I don't like either of the two front runners Lampard or Wilder.
Likewise. We seem to be showing a distinct lack of imagination.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: BaggiePhil on May 26, 2021, 12:06:16 PM
I don't like either of the two front runners Lampard or Wilder. For different reasons they are missteps or at the very least journeys down cul-de-sac's we have visited before and probably shouldn't again.

Wilder is generally acknowledged to be on our short list and purely on his record of achievement if you discount this season is worthy of consideration for a position at a mid level English club who for the last 20 years straggled the top half of the Championship and bottom half of the Premier League.

The reason for Lampard's odds have shortened is because and I quote "Lampard's people have let it be known that he would consider the West Brom job" it is at this point I find it difficult to carry on without breaching the forum rules on swearing. 

Okay having composed myself I will continue.

Wilder's style is fairly pragmatic and has a long track record of achieving results aside from this season but his advocates point to injuries to key personnel disputes with the ownership and basically suggest we should look beyond it. I tend to agree in general if short termism bedevils football then you need look beyond the here and now in both directions. How has a coach performed and based on that how is likely to perform in the future is he still developing as a coach can club and coach grow together?

The answer in Wilder's case is we are buying an off the shelf solution it is what it is if it works fine if it doesn't don't expect Wilder 2.1 to spring from nowhere. In this case it get's very difficult to overlook last season because the warning signs are there. Wilder seems very attached to 3-5-2 and he remained attached to it when things were plainly not working. He did have the personnel to make changes certainly up to the point that Berge got injured but he chose not to make them that is worrying.

Lampard the big name former player making his way as a coach but without any depth to his coaching experience.   He is learning on the job which is fine if it is some other club's job.

He should have never got a Head Coach job as a rookie at Derby and was over promoted at Chelsea. By point of comparison Daniel Farke had over 7 years coaching experience before he got his first Head Coach job at mid-table Championship Norwich City. Does anybody think that Lampard is such a quick learner that he can pick up know-how at twice the rate that Farke can?

We are buying his reputation as player but he is not playing for us he is coaching us. Do we promote cabin crew to the pilot's seat without extensive retraining? No nor should we.

Jokanovic is a name that has also cropped up I see. There is a choice to be made there and it is his to make. Do you want to coach in European football at a level that is in keeping with your experience to date which is largely Teir 2 football? Or do you want to earn a shed load of money working on the fringes in places like Qatar? Either or but not both unless Fulham sack Scot Parker. Even here I am not sure he would qualify for a work permit unless he managed to obtained residency status during his previous stints here.

To date it is uninspiring field and I'm quite warming to Alex Neil*


*Not my first choice or even on my short list but a measure of how much I dislike the other names.
Alex neil????Okay having composed myself I will continue. 37% win record with Preston Relegated after a single season in the Premier with Norwich.cheap option with no pay off to a club. No one seems to be rushing to have him as there manager in the top two divisions. Lampard or Eddie Howe for me.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: MarkW on May 26, 2021, 12:07:05 PM
Left field - Miroslav Klose. Has completed his Fußball Lehrer (highest German coaching qualification), and has been at Bayern Munich but is leaving this summer when his contract runs out.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Albionic on May 26, 2021, 12:31:49 PM
Left field - Miroslav Klose. Has cometed his Fußball Lehrer (highest German coaching qualification), and has been at Bayern Munich but is leaving this summer when his contract runs out.

Now that is a gamble,
Character ?  Experience ?  Language ?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: seteefeet on May 26, 2021, 12:36:37 PM
Likewise. We seem to be showing a distinct lack of imagination.
These are the front runners offered up by the press and are not necessarily indicative of our imagination.

Left field does not always turn out to be a stroke of genius either, both Irvine and Mel came out of nowhere!

In the case of Wilder, I fail to see how we could criticise the club, if he got the job, given his record of promotions and having finished top half in 50% of his stints in the Premier League.
I'm not saying he's my choice, just that I would find it hard to argue should we make that choice.

Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Albionic on May 26, 2021, 12:44:18 PM
I have been trawling options and this guy seems interesting "Rene Hake" currently at Utrecht
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 26, 2021, 12:58:32 PM
I have been trawling options and this guy seems interesting "Rene Hake" currently at Utrecht
what attracts you to him? Seems like a not particulary great start to his career and Utrecht have picked up about as many points as they usually do for any given Season.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: alex1 on May 26, 2021, 01:41:18 PM
Left field - Miroslav Klose. Has completed his Fußball Lehrer (highest German coaching qualification), and has been at Bayern Munich but is leaving this summer when his contract runs out.
Think that would be a gamble, as he's never managed before. Undoubtedly coaching some of the best players at Bayern and he was a top striker himself, but practical experience in charge is a must.     
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Albionic on May 26, 2021, 01:49:18 PM
I agree his start in management was very poor, but after that look at his win ratio, consistently at 40% average over a number of seasons,  Last WBA manager to achieve that = Matteo  for 1 season & & Mowbray for 2 then both dropped off dramatically.
Also I read an article which gave him great credit for his versatile approach and in game management, In my opinion those are 2 absolutely key areas for a head coach.

Seems he consistently achieves, is versatile and "manages" games, He also seems to have been able to get his teams to score a reasonable number of goals / season and clearly hasn't been a Pulis as they also concede but not at the same rate as scoring.

Familiar with managing a club about our size as well, so should get the financial rigours that brings.

Interestingly his predeccesor was John van den Brom, might read up on the subject of that co-incidence too

Mr Der BROM's stats are even better
Managerial statistics
As of match played 23 May 2021
Managerial record by team and tenure
Team   Nat   From   To   Record
G   W   D   L   Win %
AGOVV Apeldoorn   Netherlands   1 July 2007   30 June 2010   120   45   22   53   37.50
Den Haag   Netherlands                   1 July 2010   29 June 2011   40   20   7   13   50.00
Vitesse   Netherlands                   1 July 2011   30 May 2012   42   20   9   13   47.62
Anderlecht   Belgium                           30 May 2012   9 April 2014   98   54   18   26   55.10
AZ Alkmaar   Netherlands           29 Sept 2014   30 June 2019   216   116   41   59   53.70
Utrecht   Netherlands                   1 July 2019   9 Nov 2020   40   20   9   11   50.00
Racing Genk    Belgium                   9 Nov 2020   Present           33   20   5   8   60.61
                                                                                 Total           589   295   111   183   50.08
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: seteefeet on May 26, 2021, 02:19:02 PM
I agree his start in management was very poor, but after that look at his win ratio, consistently at 40% average over a number of seasons,  Last WBA manager to achieve that = Matteo  for 1 season & & Mowbray for 2 then both dropped off dramatically.
Also I read an article which gave him great credit for his versatile approach and in game management, In my opinion those are 2 absolutely key areas for a head coach.

Seems he consistently achieves, is versatile and "manages" games, He also seems to have been able to get his teams to score a reasonable number of goals / season and clearly hasn't been a Pulis as they also concede but not at the same rate as scoring.

Familiar with managing a club about our size as well, so should get the financial rigours that brings.

Interestingly his predeccesor was John van den Brom, might read up on the subject of that co-incidence too

Mr Der BROM's stats are even better
Managerial statistics
As of match played 23 May 2021
Managerial record by team and tenure
Team   Nat   From   To   Record
G   W   D   L   Win %
AGOVV Apeldoorn   Netherlands   1 July 2007   30 June 2010   120   45   22   53   37.50
Den Haag   Netherlands                   1 July 2010   29 June 2011   40   20   7   13   50.00
Vitesse   Netherlands                   1 July 2011   30 May 2012   42   20   9   13   47.62
Anderlecht   Belgium                           30 May 2012   9 April 2014   98   54   18   26   55.10
AZ Alkmaar   Netherlands           29 Sept 2014   30 June 2019   216   116   41   59   53.70
Utrecht   Netherlands                   1 July 2019   9 Nov 2020   40   20   9   11   50.00
Racing Genk    Belgium                   9 Nov 2020   Present           33   20   5   8   60.61
                                                                                 Total           589   295   111   183   50.08
Now that IS left field Albionic! Can't deny it makes impressive reading, at least at face value.
Interesting stats of the day sir, well done!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: tommcneill on May 26, 2021, 04:22:54 PM
I agree his start in management was very poor, but after that look at his win ratio, consistently at 40% average over a number of seasons,  Last WBA manager to achieve that = Matteo  for 1 season & & Mowbray for 2 then both dropped off dramatically.
Also I read an article which gave him great credit for his versatile approach and in game management, In my opinion those are 2 absolutely key areas for a head coach.

Seems he consistently achieves, is versatile and "manages" games, He also seems to have been able to get his teams to score a reasonable number of goals / season and clearly hasn't been a Pulis as they also concede but not at the same rate as scoring.

Familiar with managing a club about our size as well, so should get the financial rigours that brings.

Interestingly his predeccesor was John van den Brom, might read up on the subject of that co-incidence too

Mr Der BROM's stats are even better
Managerial statistics
As of match played 23 May 2021
Managerial record by team and tenure
Team   Nat   From   To   Record
G   W   D   L   Win %
AGOVV Apeldoorn   Netherlands   1 July 2007   30 June 2010   120   45   22   53   37.50
Den Haag   Netherlands                   1 July 2010   29 June 2011   40   20   7   13   50.00
Vitesse   Netherlands                   1 July 2011   30 May 2012   42   20   9   13   47.62
Anderlecht   Belgium                           30 May 2012   9 April 2014   98   54   18   26   55.10
AZ Alkmaar   Netherlands           29 Sept 2014   30 June 2019   216   116   41   59   53.70
Utrecht   Netherlands                   1 July 2019   9 Nov 2020   40   20   9   11   50.00
Racing Genk    Belgium                   9 Nov 2020   Present           33   20   5   8   60.61
                                                                                 Total           589   295   111   183   50.08

Van Den Brom is a very interesting one...

Hell of a record.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Baggy nerd on May 26, 2021, 04:25:29 PM
Am surprised Craig Shakespeare name hasn’t been mentioned as a decent candidate by a few more people.

He is a number two. He was given a chance at Leicester and did okay but number twos rarely keep it going after an initial bounce. Why should Shakespeare be mentioned when you have a candidate like Wilder with promotions on his cv?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Baggie79 on May 26, 2021, 05:19:09 PM
I would be amazed if it was anyone apart from Wilder. We tried to get him after Bilic went and then as soon as he was sacked we approached him again regarding taking it at the end of the season, I just dont see any scenario where he doesn't take it.

I would want one of Wilder or Jokanovic but I would rule Frank out due to his lack of experience compared to the others.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: tuamigos on May 26, 2021, 05:45:41 PM
According to some reports Jokanovic looking for a £4m pay packet

Best of luck with that one then
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 26, 2021, 06:20:42 PM
I have been trawling options and this guy seems interesting "Rene Hake" currently at Utrecht

All sounds a bit fishy to me...  ;D
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Albionic on May 26, 2021, 06:47:37 PM
All sounds a bit fishy to me...  ;D

Trust you to LINGer on this point, Its SOLEly my mistake, but you won't hear me CRABbing about it.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: DevonInStripes on May 26, 2021, 06:52:48 PM
Out of those seemingly in the running , it has to be Frank Lampard for me . If he ups our profile in the Championship then I have no problem with that . I’m sure the media will see it that way . Alex Neil oh dear no , we really will have returned to a comparative appointment to Alan Irvine imho . Let’s try and have a positive start to the new managerial era rather than a collective groan .
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggiemart on May 26, 2021, 07:13:54 PM
Amazing how Alex Neils name keeps being mentioned. According to the poll above  he is doing as well as the UK did in the Eurovision  0%.

Should never been mentioned. How can someone who got sacked by Preston do a job for us !!!!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 26, 2021, 07:23:42 PM
Lille gaffer Galtier has quit 👀
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Evo_Baggies on May 26, 2021, 07:52:02 PM
Lille gaffer Galtier has quit 👀

Conte left too 👀
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: lewisant on May 26, 2021, 08:16:26 PM
What do you all think about posting the poll results and resetting it to see how the land lies a few days later.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: lewisant on May 26, 2021, 08:18:13 PM
I would be amazed if it was anyone apart from Wilder. We tried to get him after Bilic went and then as soon as he was sacked we approached him again regarding taking it at the end of the season, I just dont see any scenario where he doesn't take it.

I would want one of Wilder or Jokanovic but I would rule Frank out due to his lack of experience compared to the others.

I for one would be very pleased with this. He had a bad year. Maybe he’s done as some people say (a la Jewell etc) or maybe he’ll continue to be successful. He’s experienced but not old.

The only negative is last season and the rest of his career surely more than balanced that out.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 26, 2021, 08:19:23 PM
What do you all think about posting the poll results and resetting it to see how the land lies a few days later.

Had to vote other. Awful list. But yeah give it the old reset to see if people have been swayed or changed their minds.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Albionic on May 26, 2021, 10:08:55 PM
Reset it for me please
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 26, 2021, 10:40:44 PM
Zizou has left Real Madrid effective immediately... always a chance?  ;)
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: WBArgo on May 26, 2021, 11:09:17 PM
I would be amazed if it was anyone apart from Wilder. We tried to get him after Bilic went and then as soon as he was sacked we approached him again regarding taking it at the end of the season, I just dont see any scenario where he doesn't take it.

I would want one of Wilder or Jokanovic but I would rule Frank out due to his lack of experience compared to the others.

In your opinion, would Wilder be happy to manage us? I get the feeling he's quite particular.

I know some people dislike his style on here, but you have to say he has a great record and a good few promotions under his belt.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: BaggieNick on May 26, 2021, 11:35:24 PM
It would be Lampard for me.

BUT.

Would Frank see us as a medium to long term project or just a steppingstone? The latter I think particularly given the club's owners complete lack of ability to compete in the Premiership.

So it's more likely to be the duller prospects, the Wilder or (God forbid) Appleton who would be willing to work with our hierarchy.

It's all completely underwhelming to be honest.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Standaman on May 26, 2021, 11:55:03 PM
It would be Lampard for me.

BUT.

Would Frank see us as a medium to long term project or just a steppingstone? The latter I think particularly given the club's owners complete lack of ability to compete in the Premiership.

So it's more likely to be the duller prospects, the Wilder or (God forbid) Appleton who would be willing to work with our hierarchy.

It's all completely underwhelming to be honest.

Lampard is only looking at us as an opportunity to rebuild his reputation. A promotion would obviously help but despite everything he would get very little credit for it as that would be largely seen as par for the course. To complete the rebuild of his reputation he has to take a season in the Premier League and keep us up. An heroic failure isn't going to cut the ice he needs that season as a platform for the next move.

I am wholly underwhelmed by the prospect of being a mediocre coach's stepping stone to a position he is only ever likely to flunk. It is all downside for us if succeeds it won't be a long-term relationship if it fails we will have scuppered at least one of best opportunities to return to the Premier League.

Whoever comes in has to work with the hierarchy at the club, it is not about to change. The limitations are the limitations and coach needs to understand that and work within it. Perpetual snipping at the board is entirely counter productive.     
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Mooncat on May 27, 2021, 08:37:34 AM
If, as most of us expect, the next boss gets little backing outside of selling our best players to fund the acquisitions, then I can't see how Lampard would 'suffer' if we were to get promoted and then relegated immediately - surely if we were struggling during the 'promoted season' he'd be binned off (much like Bilic) and even then the media would probably spin the 'he did what he could but without backing you're always going to struggle' line
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on May 27, 2021, 08:53:45 AM
Lampard is only looking at us as an opportunity to rebuild his reputation. A promotion would obviously help but despite everything he would get very little credit for it as that would be largely seen as par for the course. To complete the rebuild of his reputation he has to take a season in the Premier League and keep us up. An heroic failure isn't going to cut the ice he needs that season as a platform for the next move.

I am wholly underwhelmed by the prospect of being a mediocre coach's stepping stone to a position he is only ever likely to flunk. It is all downside for us if succeeds it won't be a long-term relationship if it fails we will have scuppered at least one of best opportunities to return to the Premier League.

Whoever comes in has to work with the hierarchy at the club, it is not about to change. The limitations are the limitations and coach needs to understand that and work within it. Perpetual snipping at the board is entirely counter productive.   

Not actually sure that is a bad thing to be honest, it is better that than just seeing us as a cash cow. Frank will command a decent salary for sure but he would be with us for a reason other than cash; a mutually beneficial arrangement really, and if he can do it on a shoestring then so much the better for all concerned.

Given the alternatives I am on board with Frank should he choose to take up the challenge.

Its Wilder though isn't it  >:(
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: jimmyj on May 27, 2021, 09:08:49 AM
Hodgson used us to rebuild his standing in the game.
Said before, we really need to get used to out position in the food-chain of the game. In our current guise, we will ALWAYS only be a stepping stone for talented and/or ambitious managers, coaches and players. This is unlikely to change. Even the more well moneyed clubs like Villa, Wolves, Wham are stepping-stones to a certain extent for the clubs above them.

The trick is a) coming to terms with that and b) using it to our advantage.
If Frank Lampard comes in and gets us promoted, and then keeps us up and then gets picked off by another club is that necessarily a bad thing? Its not ideal, but at the end of the day, mission accomplished. Find the next person. Its what we have to be resigned to folks. Its no good turning our nose up at appointments because they don't plan on hanging around for the long haul.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: boinging_along on May 27, 2021, 09:48:05 AM
Yeah, not sure what the alternative is.  Bring in a manager who will want to stay here forever no matter who comes knocking?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: jimmyj on May 27, 2021, 09:52:41 AM
Yeah, not sure what the alternative is.  Bring in a manager who will want to stay here forever no matter who comes knocking?

Its unreasonable to expect that. Who has that sort of manager now? Burnley is the only one I think of. And that's probably more to do with the fact that no-one fancies giving Dyche a bigger job.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: keithowba86 on May 27, 2021, 10:42:43 AM
Will only take a bad season for Moyes and a good one for Lampard and the inevitable will happen
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Mooncat on May 27, 2021, 10:44:36 AM
I'm sure I read somewhere that the average 'life expectancy' of a PL manager is about 18 months - obviously skewed by a few clubs (like Watford and to some degree us having a few managers a season but equally Man U & Arsenal with SAF & AW at the other end).
So what is 'long term'?

Another name I think should be in the hat, but won't be as we'd have to buy him out of his contract would be Sean Dyche - constantly gets Burnley punching above their weight which is what we need to be doing
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: mini gaardsoe on May 27, 2021, 10:58:14 AM
Another name I think should be in the hat, but won't be as we'd have to buy him out of his contract would be Sean Dyche - constantly gets Burnley punching above their weight which is what we need to be doing

And there's zero chance he's leaving Burnley to come to us.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 27, 2021, 11:05:59 AM
Its no good turning our nose up at appointments because they don't plan on hanging around for the long haul.
Nuno was at Wolves for 4 years, I don't think that's unrealistic for us if we can find the right person. Managers having an average incumbency of 18 months is an unsustainable nonsense in my view.

Speaking of finding the right person, it seems likely that the Board must have known immediately after relegation was confirmed (if not sooner) that Allardyce wasn't going to stay. Therefore, they should be well on their way to finding a successor by now. The new manager should be here in time to have a say regarding the retained list.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 27, 2021, 11:07:45 AM
Nuno was at Wolves for 4 years, I don't think that's unrealistic for us if we can find the right person.

Speaking of finding the right person, it seems likely that the Board must have known immediately after relegation was confirmed (if not sooner) that Allardyce wasn't going to stay. Therefore, they should be well on their way to finding a successor by now. The new manager should be here in time to have a say regarding the retained list.
if journalists are correct, interviews will be over the next fortnight.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: jimmyj on May 27, 2021, 11:12:21 AM
Nuno was at Wolves for 4 years, I don't think that's unrealistic for us if we can find the right person. Managers having an average incumbency of 18 months is an unsustainable nonsense in my view.

Speaking of finding the right person, it seems likely that the Board must have known immediately after relegation was confirmed (if not sooner) that Allardyce wasn't going to stay. Therefore, they should be well on their way to finding a successor by now. The new manager should be here in time to have a say regarding the retained list.

Fair point, but I think they are/were a bit of special case. I had this conversation a few times with my Wulf friends, and commented on how insulated their players (and Nuno) were from being poached by bigger clubs. Whereby most other clubs of their level (Saints, Newcastle, Leicester at the time) would regularly have their better players picked off by Liverpool, United and City, Wolves seemed not to suffer from this. The Mendes effect. No one wanted to antagonise the superagent. And I think that extended to Nuno as well. No big club wanted to run the risk of making an enemy of Mendes, so they left well alone.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 27, 2021, 11:19:11 AM
Nixon saying Wilder still no.1 choice but still issues, has to be the pay, talking to others now.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: liverbaggie on May 27, 2021, 11:22:19 AM
I want Frank.
He's young, has something to prove and would come to us in the championship if agreeable.
He's not a football snob as far as I can tell by wanting to coach in the PL.
He seems eager to learn and will demand respect.
Because of his stature in the game I think he could talk to the magician and keep him for another season.
We don't know if he even wants to leave do we?
He may be happy here and might feel he owes us another 12 months to get back to the PL.
Also, Frank seems open and is a good talker with fans and press
He will improve our profile in the footballing world its a win win for me.
The ex sheffu guy is another dour Pullis, big Sam etc etc no to that guy from me.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 27, 2021, 11:23:54 AM
if journalists are correct, interviews will be over the next fortnight.
If that's true, then I think the club has been sleeping on the job by not being further down the road than it is. They managed to get things agreed with Allardyce whilst Bilic was still in post.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 27, 2021, 11:32:22 AM
If that's true, then I think the club has been sleeping on the job by not being further down the road than it is. They managed to get things agreed with Allardyce whilst Bilic was still in post.
difference was they actively wanted to keep Sam.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 27, 2021, 11:34:29 AM
difference was they actively wanted to keep Sam.
Yes, but they must have known since at least May 9th (and quite possibly earlier) that Allardyce was leaving.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Atomic on May 27, 2021, 11:42:19 AM
Interviews have already started according to Joe Masi.

The only two confirmed as being on the list are Wilder and Lampard.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: tuamigos on May 27, 2021, 11:51:32 AM
According to some reports, Lampard is out of the running for the Palace job. 'Palace have moved on' according to it.
Eddie how is also out of the running.
Personally I'd settle for either one of those here.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: hardtobeat on May 27, 2021, 11:54:03 AM
Nixon saying Wilder still no.1 choice but still issues, has to be the pay, talking to others now.
Could be the issues are around recruitment, he isn’t/ wasn’t too keen on a DoF previously
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: jimmyj on May 27, 2021, 11:57:25 AM
I'm leaning towards Lampard now.

- Point to prove
- links to good young loanees
- reputation to attract players in recruitment
- Only manager that may be able to persuade MP to stay.

Someone get Adrian Chiles to get in his ear.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on May 27, 2021, 11:58:53 AM
Interviews have already started according to Joe Masi.

The only two confirmed as being on the list are Wilder and Lampard.

Masi with another 'scoop'

NSS!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 27, 2021, 12:00:16 PM
According to some reports, Lampard is out of the running for the Palace job. 'Palace have moved on' according to it.
Eddie how is also out of the running.
Personally I'd settle for either one of those here.

Wasn't it reported the other week that Lampard had ruled himself out of the Palace job as he thought they needed too much of a rebuild and would end up in a relegation battle?


Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: WBA.R.K on May 27, 2021, 12:02:54 PM
Wasn't it reported the other week that Lampard had ruled himself out of the Palace job as he thought they needed too much of a rebuild and would end up in a relegation battle?

To be fair he's not wrong, it is one hell of a rebuild. I think I saw somewhere that they've got a whole starting 11 leaving!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 27, 2021, 12:09:19 PM
To be fair he's not wrong, it is one hell of a rebuild. I think I saw somewhere that they've got a whole starting 11 leaving!

Think it's only 7 players so very similar to us. We'll most likely have to replace Johnstone, Pereira, AMN, Gallagher, Yokuslu and Diagne and then there's the likes of Gibbs, Austin and HRK(hopefully)..can't remember the others that are out of contract but we will need some decent first team squad players. Some of the U23's may be able to step up and maybe some of the players we have out on loan but it's still a big rebuild.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SmethDan on May 27, 2021, 12:13:05 PM
Think it's only 7 players so very similar to us. We'll most likely have to replace Johnstone, Pereira, AMN, Gallagher, Yokuslu and Diagne and then there's the likes of Gibbs, Austin and HRK(hopefully)..can't remember the others that are out of contract but we will need some decent first team squad players. Some of the U23's may be able to step up and maybe some of the players we have out on loan but it's still a big rebuild.

Have a scroll down, not sure if any have twelve month options but that's quite a list.....

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/crystal-palace/vertragsende/verein/873
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: NJS on May 27, 2021, 12:13:40 PM
I want Frank.
He's young, has something to prove and would come to us in the championship if agreeable.
He's not a football snob as far as I can tell by wanting to coach in the PL.
He seems eager to learn and will demand respect.
Because of his stature in the game I think he could talk to the magician and keep him for another season.
We don't know if he even wants to leave do we?
He may be happy here and might feel he owes us another 12 months to get back to the PL.
Also, Frank seems open and is a good talker with fans and press
He will improve our profile in the footballing world its a win win for me.
The ex sheffu guy is another dour Pullis, big Sam etc etc no to that guy from me.
To respond to your points:
"He's young, has something to prove and would come to us in the championship if agreeable. "
> neither being young nor having a point to prove makes him a good manager.  It does make him inexperienced.
"He's not a football snob as far as I can tell by wanting to coach in the PL."
>  don't see how this is an argument
"He seems eager to learn and will demand respect. "
>  then learn by normal route of being a second in command and moving to a league 2 club
"Because of his stature in the game I think he could talk to the magician and keep him for another season."
>  it's conjecture to say the MP knew Lampard before he came to England
"He may be happy here and might feel he owes us another 12 months to get back to the PL."
>  irrelevant to his management capabilities
"Also, Frank seems open and is a good talker with fans and press"
>  can't argue with that, our profile is bad to risible

"The ex sheffu guy is another dour Pullis, big Sam etc etc no to that guy from me."
> I'm not a great fan of Wilder but he has achieved a lot more that Lampard coach-wise and done it with scant resources.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: WBA.R.K on May 27, 2021, 12:33:06 PM
In other news, Sheffield United are set to name Jokanovic as manager according to the BBC.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 27, 2021, 12:34:51 PM
Could be the issues are around recruitment, he isn’t/ wasn’t too keen on a DoF previously

Very true, forgot about that. Either way sounds and feels like a ballache already. I'd rather us move on.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Atomic on May 27, 2021, 12:40:07 PM
Wilder is a xxxxxx good manager with a wealth of experience and a very impressive CV.

I just have a nagging doubt, wrong timing, achieved his peak.

If he gets the job I'll get right behind him, no problem.

There's just something inside me that is ringing alarm bells. Might just be me, I fully accept I might be wrong.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: KN22 on May 27, 2021, 12:44:27 PM
According to some reports Jokanovic looking for a £4m pay packet

Best of luck with that one then

That is the starting point for Wilder too.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 27, 2021, 12:44:51 PM
Yeah i will support whomever is appointed regardless of whether i want them or not. The actions of some fans surrounding Sam were embarrassing.

Wilder feels like a struggle though and hasn't walked in the door yet, having deja vu here with Bilic.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: KN22 on May 27, 2021, 12:46:01 PM
I want Frank.
He's young, has something to prove and would come to us in the championship if agreeable.
He's not a football snob as far as I can tell by wanting to coach in the PL.
He seems eager to learn and will demand respect.
Because of his stature in the game I think he could talk to the magician and keep him for another season.
We don't know if he even wants to leave do we?
He may be happy here and might feel he owes us another 12 months to get back to the PL.
Also, Frank seems open and is a good talker with fans and press
He will improve our profile in the footballing world its a win win for me.
The ex sheffu guy is another dour Pullis, big Sam etc etc no to that guy from me.

I am with you 100 per cent.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Atomic on May 27, 2021, 12:52:54 PM
Yeah i will support whomever is appointed regardless of whether i want them or not. The actions of some fans surrounding Sam were embarrassing.


Totally agreed. Unbalanced, immature and downright cringeworthy.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: alex1 on May 27, 2021, 12:53:47 PM
I'm dreading it being Wilder to be honest. I've seen enough managers up at the Hawthorns playing dour, safety-first football which is Wilder's model. He's been in management too long to change it now. Whilst there is perhaps a slight argument for that when you are playing against much better players and in a relegation scrap, there would be no excuse for that when you are supposed to be in a promotion race.

I want to go to matches expecting to see Albion take control and win games well, not waiting for a chance in the 80th minute to see if we can nick a goal, which I fear would be the scenario under Wilder.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on May 27, 2021, 12:58:16 PM
I am with you 100 per cent.

Me too

I think he would be able to get Grady back to his best too

He has a good history of giving youth a go so I'm all in
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 27, 2021, 01:16:50 PM
Jokanovich officially appointed at Sheff Utd. Good catch for them.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Atomic on May 27, 2021, 01:21:37 PM
Jokanovich officially appointed at Sheff Utd. Good catch for them.

Not so sure myself. The way he plays he has got to completely change that team and then if they do go up (Far from convinced they will) they will come straight back down because his principals will ensure Sheff take on PL teams P4P.  Unless they have north of £150mil to spend they are doomed.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 27, 2021, 01:25:39 PM
Not so sure myself. The way he plays he has got to completely change that team and then if they do go up (Far from convinced they will) they will come straight back down because his principals will ensure Sheff take on PL teams P4P.  Unless they have north of £150mil to spend they are doomed.

Maybe he will be backed to do what he needs? If so they will do well
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 27, 2021, 01:26:01 PM
Not so sure myself. The way he plays he has got to completely change that team and then if they do go up (Far from convinced they will) they will come straight back down because his principals will ensure Sheff take on PL teams P4P.  Unless they have north of £150mil to spend they are doomed.

Yet I'm convinced it'll be better than our appointment.     :(
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Atomic on May 27, 2021, 01:28:58 PM
Yet I'm convinced it'll be better than our appointment.     :(

Well ultimately that's up to Dowling isnt it?

Yeah you're probably right. We will probably appoint Alex Neil.  :(

 
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SirTonyM on May 27, 2021, 01:37:54 PM
Yet I'm convinced it'll be better than our appointment.     :(

Yup. With a decent manager Sheff Utd will be stronger next season. Can’t help but think our “global search” for a manager will end up with #167 on the list.
Dowling “get the Address book Ken”
Ken “what am I looking for?”
Dowling “The names Saunders.....Dean Saunders” 😂
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: smethwickw on May 27, 2021, 01:41:09 PM
I wanted Jokanovic before Bilic was appointed. Dowling is obviously a fan but I suspect that we couldn't afford him.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 27, 2021, 01:53:12 PM
I wanted Jokanovic before Bilic was appointed. Dowling is obviously a fan but I suspect that we couldn't afford him.

Reads to me like Sheff United are going to go for it. Putting their money where their mouths are so to speak.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Atomic on May 27, 2021, 01:56:58 PM
Reads to me like Sheff United are going to go for it. Putting their money where their mouths are so to speak.

That's provided they have enough money to transform that squad (it'll take a lot). If we make the right appointment I'd be very confident of finishing above them.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 27, 2021, 02:01:48 PM
That's provided they have enough money to transform that squad (it'll take a lot). If we make the right appointment I'd be very confident of finishing above them.

Agreed, i think Fulham are the team most likely to go up. They have a very good EFL team. Then its 2 out the rest and we should be there or thereabouts provided the money is used wisely.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: alex1 on May 27, 2021, 02:09:58 PM
Reads to me like Sheff United are going to go for it. Putting their money where their mouths are so to speak.
If I were a Sheff Utd fan, I'd see it as a change for the better. The problem remains, how do you get a set of players taught to play one way (in this case dour 5-3-2) to completly change. Still, its probably better than watching the other way around.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: ttree30 on May 27, 2021, 02:12:34 PM
Agreed, i think Fulham are the team most likely to go up. They have a very good EFL team. Then its 2 out the rest and we should be there or thereabouts provided the money is used wisely.

I agree about Fulham.

Not so optimistic about us - depends hugely on some decent signings in every department. Otherwise I have us finishing below the play-offs for the first time in 20 years.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: boinging_along on May 27, 2021, 02:14:20 PM
If I were a Sheff Utd fan, I'd see it as a change for the better. The problem remains, how do you get a set of players taught to play one way (in this case dour 5-3-2) to completly change. Still, its probably better than watching the other way around.

True, and we tried to do that mid-season when we stuck Sam in charge.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Atomic on May 27, 2021, 02:15:55 PM
If I were a Sheff Utd fan, I'd see it as a change for the better. The problem remains, how do you get a set of players taught to play one way (in this case dour 5-3-2) to completly change. Still, its probably better than watching the other way around.

If I were a Sheff U fan I'd be worried.
I'd be happy to take on anyone on Betfair they don't finish top two.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 27, 2021, 02:16:37 PM
I agree about Fulham.

Not so optimistic about us - depends hugely on some decent signings in every department. Otherwise I have us finishing below the play-offs for the first time in 20 years.

2 CM, 2 CF and a left back and we will be in the top 3 teams in the EFL. 5 players but not all need to be bought, if budget wont allow it 1 or 2 could be loans.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: tambag on May 27, 2021, 02:17:08 PM
True, and we tried to do that mid-season when we stuck Sam in charge.

Darren Moore got roughly the saem players to play defensive football in the Prem and then passing attacking football in the EFL
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Atomic on May 27, 2021, 02:20:09 PM
Darren Moore got roughly the saem players to play defensive football in the Prem and then passing attacking football in the EFL

Yes but he got relegated and then failed to get promoted. I know it's not black and white but your argument really doesnt stand up to inspection.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 27, 2021, 02:26:08 PM
If I were a Sheff Utd fan, I'd see it as a change for the better. The problem remains, how do you get a set of players taught to play one way (in this case dour 5-3-2) to completly change. Still, its probably better than watching the other way around.

I kind of see where you are coming from but at the end of the day these are professional footballers at the higher ends of the game Alex. Even with a change of formation they are still good footballers. Now the new formation may not suit all of them down to the ground or een enable them to give their best but thats where the new signings will come in. Just because the formation changes doesnt mean 11 new players.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: AidantheBaggies on May 27, 2021, 02:28:41 PM
I'd love to know who is on our shortlist, we know Wilder and Lampard are two of them. Like most on here I cant see past Wilder, but I am hoping for Lampard.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: tambag on May 27, 2021, 02:32:12 PM
I'd love to know who is on our shortlist, we know Wilder and Lampard are two of them. Like most on here I cant see past Wilder, but I am hoping for Lampard.

I am only guessing that people like Cooper and Appleton may be on that list, but it will be dependant on what happens in their play off finals this weekend.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Atomic on May 27, 2021, 02:41:46 PM
I'd love to know who is on our shortlist, we know Wilder and Lampard are two of them. Like most on here I cant see past Wilder, but I am hoping for Lampard.

Not just on here. From what I've seen on social media Lampard is the runaway choice amongst fans. He's miles ahead of anyone else.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 27, 2021, 02:43:06 PM
I'm not keen on Lampard, i would say i'm indifferent  but out of those realistic and available i'm leaning towards him. What a sorry list of available managers.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: alex1 on May 27, 2021, 02:54:41 PM
I'm not keen on Lampard, i would say i'm indifferent  but out of those realistic and available i'm leaning towards him. What a sorry list of available managers.
https://metro.co.uk/2021/05/26/wolves-new-manager-hunt-turns-to-frank-lampard-as-they-make-enquiries-14651797/

Apparently Wolves putting out their feelers towards Lampard. I don't know if the journos at the Metro are clued up, but wonder if he would be interested.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SirTonyM on May 27, 2021, 03:04:34 PM
https://metro.co.uk/2021/05/26/wolves-new-manager-hunt-turns-to-frank-lampard-as-they-make-enquiries-14651797/

Apparently Wolves putting out their feelers towards Lampard. I don't know if the journos at the Metro are clued up, but wonder if he would be interested.

Didn't know Frank had a Portuguese passport :)
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: tambag on May 27, 2021, 03:07:18 PM
David Anderson
@MirrorAnderson
Barring any late unforeseen hiccups, Chris Wilder will be West Brom’s new manager. Wilder is their No 1 choice and talks are continuing on finalising a deal. #WBAFC

https://twitter.com/MirrorAnderson/status/1397916021617397761
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: wbasoprano on May 27, 2021, 03:22:43 PM
David Anderson
@MirrorAnderson
Barring any late unforeseen hiccups, Chris Wilder will be West Brom’s new manager. Wilder is their No 1 choice and talks are continuing on finalising a deal. #WBAFC

https://twitter.com/MirrorAnderson/status/1397916021617397761

Depressing but expected
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggies_24 on May 27, 2021, 03:29:32 PM
David Anderson
@MirrorAnderson
Barring any late unforeseen hiccups, Chris Wilder will be West Brom’s new manager. Wilder is their No 1 choice and talks are continuing on finalising a deal. #WBAFC

https://twitter.com/MirrorAnderson/status/1397916021617397761

Don’t know how accurate he is I’d be over the moon with Wilder. Think it’l be the best decision managerial wise this club has made since Roy all those years ago. My old mans a Sheff United fan so I watched a fair bit of them I don’t know where this dinosaur label has come from they played some cracking football I went to the Man United game 2 years ago completely played United off the park that day.

Would be a top top managerial appointment who will have people eating their words this time next season.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TLMS17 on May 27, 2021, 03:33:36 PM
Looks like Wilder as expected, but disappointed
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 27, 2021, 03:34:32 PM
Don’t know how accurate he is I’d be over the moon with Wilder. Think it’l be the best decision managerial wise this club has made since Roy all those years ago. My old mans a Sheff United fan so I watched a fair bit of them I don’t know where this dinosaur label has come from they played some cracking football I went to the Man United game 2 years ago completely played United off the park that day.

Would be a top top managerial appointment who will have people eating their words this time next season.

Hope you're right mate, I think this will be an absolute disaster tbh.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Mister AT on May 27, 2021, 03:41:18 PM
My only real concern with Wilder is what’s his hunger like now. He’s managed his boyhood club to the premier league and now been sacked from that role. Does he bounce back hungry or has he already achieved one of his dreams etc.

We will get my backing and I hope he’s backed to build a good enough team to challenge.

His managerial career baring last season is very good.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: alex1 on May 27, 2021, 03:54:34 PM
Don’t know how accurate he is I’d be over the moon with Wilder. Think it’l be the best decision managerial wise this club has made since Roy all those years ago. My old mans a Sheff United fan so I watched a fair bit of them I don’t know where this dinosaur label has come from they played some cracking football I went to the Man United game 2 years ago completely played United off the park that day.

Would be a top top managerial appointment who will have people eating their words this time next season.
Its difficult to imagine Sheff Utd playing anyone off the park. I've scrolled back through their league fixtures, and its just one long list of scored 1 or 0, until that 2-1 victory v Man U on 27th January.  Before that they only scored more than 1 goal once (v Man U on 17 Dec '20) back until beginning of September. 
Can't find anything to suggest we will be playing cracking football under Wilder. 
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 27, 2021, 04:00:21 PM
Never enjoyed the football I've seen Sheff Utd play in the last few years. They were vile to watch when they best us 1-0 at the Hawthorns the year they went up.

Feels like we are about to endure Dowling Vs Bilic part 2
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 27, 2021, 04:01:14 PM
Never enjoyed the football I've seen Sheff Utd play in the last few years. They were vile to watch when they best us 1-0 at the Hawthorns the year they went up.

Feels like we are about to endure Dowling Vs Bilic part 2

Without the facade of attacking football...
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Dan on May 27, 2021, 04:06:07 PM
My preference was Cooper who will probably end up in the premier next season anyway, one way or another.

Barring that though I would say Wilder is clearly the best name available, even if not the most exciting. I have my doubts he can maintain what he had at Sheffield United prior to this season here, but at least he has some kind of track record to speak of. Lampard did alright at Derby (no better than Rowett) and ultimately has been shown up somewhat by Tuchel coming in at Chelsea so I'm not sure he's an answer. The rest of the names listed aren't even worth mentioning.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: tambag on May 27, 2021, 04:12:44 PM
My preference was Cooper who will probably end up in the premier next season anyway, one way or another.

Barring that though I would say Wilder is clearly the best name available, even if not the most exciting. I have my doubts he can maintain what he had at Sheffield United prior to this season here, but at least he has some kind of track record to speak of. Lampard did alright at Derby (no better than Rowett) and ultimately has been shown up somewhat by Tuchel coming in at Chelsea so I'm not sure he's an answer. The rest of the names listed aren't even worth mentioning.

I agree my preference is Cooper, I suspect there will be movement on him next week if Swansea don't go up, but I think he will be Palace bound if they don't win this weekend.

Wilder is an OK appointment, but his football is pragmatic, so he will have to give us winning football else he won't last long if appointed.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 27, 2021, 04:14:05 PM
Without the facade of attacking football...


I'm in agreement with you, i can see this going wrong. Happy to be incorrect though should it happen.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 27, 2021, 04:19:27 PM
David Anderson
@MirrorAnderson
Barring any late unforeseen hiccups, Chris Wilder will be West Brom’s new manager. Wilder is their No 1 choice and talks are continuing on finalising a deal. #WBAFC

https://twitter.com/MirrorAnderson/status/1397916021617397761
If confirmed, this feels like such a one-dimensional, unimaginative and sterile selection, as was the case when we brought in Pulis, Pardew and Allardyce. A decision that would indicate that the Board and Owner have no overall plan other than to regard every season as an insular firefighting exercise.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: The Joust on May 27, 2021, 04:23:41 PM
If confirmed, this feels like such a one-dimensional, unimaginative and sterile selection, as was the case when we brought in Pulis, Pardew and Allardyce. A decision that would indicate that the Board and Owner have no overall plan other than to regard every season as an insular firefighting exercise.

Exactly this^
What an uninspiring appointment if true. Was hoping for Lamps personally.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggies_24 on May 27, 2021, 04:23:51 PM
Its difficult to imagine Sheff Utd playing anyone off the park. I've scrolled back through their league fixtures, and its just one long list of scored 1 or 0, until that 2-1 victory v Man U on 27th January.  Before that they only scored more than 1 goal once (v Man U on 17 Dec '20) back until beginning of September. 
Can't find anything to suggest we will be playing cracking football under Wilder. 


It was the 3-3 draw mate around before Christmas 19, cracking game of football, Sheffield United killed them down the wings with overloads with the cb’s pushing on.

I get peoples reluctance after last season, he’s been hugely successful wherever he’s been bar that last season. Yes the footballs not free flowing Barcelona but it’s better than Allardyce served up and people didn’t grumble too much. Effective, winning football is everything he’s about and his teams get it down on the deck and play.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: tambag on May 27, 2021, 04:25:52 PM
Decided to look at the difference in between us and Sheff Utd under Wilder and Derby under Lampard the last time all were in the chmapionship.

Pos    Team                    Pld    W    D    L    GF    GA    GD            Pts    
1    Norwich City (C, P)    46    27    13    6    93    57    +36    94    
2    Sheffield United (P)  46    26    11    9    78    41    +37    89
3    Leeds United            46    25    8    13    73    50    +23    83    
4    WBA                   46    23    11    12    87    62    +25    80
5    Aston Villa (O, P)    46    20    16    10    82    61    +21    76
6    Derby County            46    20    14    12    69    54    +15    74

Derby weren't as attacking as some would think under Lampard, Wilder's side did score more than Leeds and not suprising were the best defence.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: lewisant on May 27, 2021, 04:28:25 PM
Never enjoyed the football I've seen Sheff Utd play in the last few years. They were vile to watch when they best us 1-0 at the Hawthorns the year they went up.

Feels like we are about to endure Dowling Vs Bilic part 2

Football is a funny old game. I went to that game and was blown away by how they completely outplayed us in every department. It was men versus boys and I was envious of Sheff Utd fans. I think he's a cracking appointment.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 27, 2021, 04:29:52 PM
It was the 3-3 draw mate around before Christmas 19, cracking game of football, Sheffield United killed them down the wings with overloads with the cb’s pushing on.

I get peoples reluctance after last season, he’s been hugely successful wherever he’s been bar that last season. Yes the footballs not free flowing Barcelona but it’s better than Allardyce served up and people didn’t grumble too much. Effective, winning football is everything he’s about and his teams get it down on the deck and play.

Sheffield United haven't scored 5 goals in a competitive match since they beat Leyton Orient 6 nil in the 1st round (not 3rd) of the FA Cup in 2016.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 27, 2021, 04:30:19 PM
Football is a funny old game. I went to that game and was blown away by how they completely outplayed us in every department. It was men versus boys and I was envious of Sheff Utd fans. I think he's a cracking appointment.

Defnitely a game of opposing opinions. I wanted to curl up and die  ;D  I was in the executive boxes that day as well. Even the free bar couldn't cheer me up and the pre-game speech from Batson and Robertson did not work out either!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: lewisant on May 27, 2021, 04:31:47 PM
Michael Appleton
16 (5.9%)
Derek McInnes
12 (4.4%)
Alex Neil0 (0%)
Chris Wilder
46 (16.9%)
Steve Cooper
13 (4.8%)
Frank Lampard
72 (26.5%)
John Terry
4 (1.5%)
Enzo Maresca
42 (15.4%)
Valérien Ismaël
26 (9.6%)
Garry Monk
2 (0.7%)
Other
39 (14.3%)

Will reset the poll in a bit.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 27, 2021, 04:44:27 PM
Will reset the poll in a bit.
Thanks. Perhaps some of the managers that have been named under "Other" could be included in their own right this time around?
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: PartisanBaggie on May 27, 2021, 04:46:33 PM
Football is a funny old game. I went to that game and was blown away by how they completely outplayed us in every department. It was men versus boys and I was envious of Sheff Utd fans. I think he's a cracking appointment.

I was at that game in February 2019 and I remember it being pretty boring.

The match itself was much more of a reflection of Big Dave’s tactical naivety than it was us being outplayed by Chris Wilder’s Sheffield United.

Why do you think the board sacked Big Dave two games later...

Never mind a funny old game I think you’ve got a funny old memory pal!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 27, 2021, 04:48:40 PM
Maresca can be removed too
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on May 27, 2021, 04:49:32 PM
Decided to look at the difference in between us and Sheff Utd under Wilder and Derby under Lampard the last time all were in the chmapionship.

Pos    Team                    Pld    W    D    L    GF    GA    GD            Pts    
1    Norwich City (C, P)    46    27    13    6    93    57    +36    94    
2    Sheffield United (P)  46    26    11    9    78    41    +37    89
3    Leeds United            46    25    8    13    73    50    +23    83    
4    WBA                   46    23    11    12    87    62    +25    80
5    Aston Villa (O, P)    46    20    16    10    82    61    +21    76
6    Derby County            46    20    14    12    69    54    +15    74

Derby weren't as attacking as some would think under Lampard, Wilder's side did score more than Leeds and not suprising were the best defence.

You need to get out more tambag......
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: tambag on May 27, 2021, 04:50:31 PM
You need to get out more tambag......

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 27, 2021, 05:03:25 PM
Decided to look at the difference in between us and Sheff Utd under Wilder and Derby under Lampard the last time all were in the chmapionship.

Pos    Team                    Pld    W    D    L    GF    GA    GD            Pts    
1    Norwich City (C, P)    46    27    13    6    93    57    +36    94    
2    Sheffield United (P)  46    26    11    9    78    41    +37    89
3    Leeds United            46    25    8    13    73    50    +23    83    
4    WBA                   46    23    11    12    87    62    +25    80
5    Aston Villa (O, P)    46    20    16    10    82    61    +21    76
6    Derby County            46    20    14    12    69    54    +15    74

Derby weren't as attacking as some would think under Lampard, Wilder's side did score more than Leeds and not suprising were the best defence.

More goals scored, fewer goals conceded than this swash buckling Frank Lampard that some drool over..

I am not a massive admirer of Wilder - but he has an excellent track record and we're going to get much better.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggies_24 on May 27, 2021, 05:05:15 PM
Sheffield United haven't scored 5 goals in a competitive match since they beat Leyton Orient 6 nil in the 1st round (not 3rd) of the FA Cup in 2016.

I get your point Jacko & not to take away from the Chelsea performance which was absolutely superb but all of us here including Allardyce would have taken 5 x 1-0 wins over scoring 5 in 1 game.

That Chelsea game was an anomaly in the season was by far & away our best attacking performance (along with the 1st 45 mins against Southampton at home) we also had the Palace away & Newcastle home attacking displays which were pretty dire.

The way people are making Wilder out to be is the next Pulis, it’s a long way from that.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on May 27, 2021, 05:05:22 PM
More goals scored, fewer goals conceded than this swash buckling Frank Lampard that some drool over..

I am not a massive admirer of Wilder - but he has an excellent track record and we're going to get much better.

Not drooling over him Liam, its more like choosing the least wilted bunch of flowers to take home...
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: baggie38 on May 27, 2021, 05:05:58 PM
I can see it now. All the kids on social media branding us a so called brexit club with Wilder in charge "Brexit baggies" we will be called  :P I can see why we have gone with him but its a boring uninspiring appointment isn't it? I would of rather gone for someone like the Barnsley gaffer as that would of been more fun but it is what it is. I'll get behind him when confirmed.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: NJS on May 27, 2021, 05:12:44 PM
I can see it now. All the kids on social media branding us a so called brexit club with Wilder in charge "Brexit baggies" we will be called  :P I can see why we have gone with him but its a boring uninspiring appointment isn't it? I would of rather gone for someone like the Barnsley gaffer as that would of been more fun but it is what it is. I'll get behind him when confirmed.

Why?  A little fanciful.

Paul Cook was my choice but I think Wilder is a good appointment for a club of our size with no sugar or oil daddy to throw money at us.  I also think he's far from a Pulis type.  Can you imagine TP asking his centre backs to overlap?
The Barnsley manager just asks his players to run themselves into the ground and chase high balls - that's more Pulis-like.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: alex1 on May 27, 2021, 05:31:45 PM
Why?  A little fanciful.

Paul Cook was my choice but I think Wilder is a good appointment for a club of our size with no sugar or oil daddy to throw money at us.  I also think he's far from a Pulis type.  Can you imagine TP asking his centre backs to overlap?
The Barnsley manager just asks his players to run themselves into the ground and chase high balls - that's more Pulis-like.

Just playing better football than Pulis, is setting the bar pretty low.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: KingKoren on May 27, 2021, 05:38:13 PM
My only real concern with Wilder is what’s his hunger like now. He’s managed his boyhood club to the premier league and now been sacked from that role. Does he bounce back hungry or has he already achieved one of his dreams etc.

We will get my backing and I hope he’s backed to build a good enough team to challenge.

His managerial career baring last season is very good.

He's only 53. He just had an awful season, coming in for a lot of criticism, particularly for his signings. You'd surely think he'll be determined to prove a point to Sheffield United as they've just appointed a younger more 'fashionable' manager, additionally you really can't afford two bad consecutive seasons as a manger these days or your reputation will be shot to pieces so I'd imagine he has plenty of motivation to succeed.

We're getting a proven manager, no compensation, with a recent history of remarkable success including promotion from this league. Personally he seems likeable in his interviews, he doesn't mince his words. It's a no brainer of an appointment. That doesn't mean to say he will be successful but it'd brave to overlook him for any other candidate that's been touted.  My reservations primarily surround the system he uses; I'm not sure the personnel we have suit it. I'm also concerned about the signings that we will make this summer with him and Dowling responsible but I'm optimistic on the whole he will be successful.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 27, 2021, 05:39:56 PM
Just playing better football than Pulis, is setting the bar pretty very low.

Sorted that out.

Got someone on Twitter telling me he plays, and I quote, "front foot, high energy football".
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: sammyg on May 27, 2021, 06:00:36 PM
He's only 53. He just had an awful season, coming in for a lot of criticism, particularly for his signings. You'd surely think he'll be determined to prove a point to Sheffield United as they've just appointed a younger more 'fashionable' manager, additionally you really can't afford two bad consecutive seasons as a manger these days or your reputation will be shot to pieces so I'd imagine he has plenty of motivation to succeed.

We're getting a proven manager, no compensation, with a recent history of remarkable success including promotion from this league. Personally he seems likeable in his interviews, he doesn't mince his words. It's a no brainer of an appointment. That doesn't mean to say he will be successful but it'd brave to overlook him for any other candidate that's been touted.  My reservations primarily surround the system he uses; I'm not sure the personnel we have suit it. I'm also concerned about the signings that we will make this summer with him and Dowling responsible but I'm optimistic on the whole he will be successful.

Great post, I agree. Think it’s a good appointment if it is him.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Albionic on May 27, 2021, 06:14:14 PM
Could Wilder be moggadon the second?
Attritional but effective? If so I can get behind that because it requires commitment and effort, don’t think a lot of our current squad are the right profile but rather anything than Pulisesque football
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: tlms-p23 on May 27, 2021, 06:15:23 PM
If it's Wilder, I'd be delighted. Excellent appointment.

Promotions with Oxford, Northampton and took Sheffield United (a basket case of a club with 5 consecutive seasons in the 3rd tier) to 9th in the Premier League in 4 seasons. Remarkable achievement playing a unique brand of front foot attacking football with innovative tactics that yielded excellent results - overlapping centre-backs.

Doesn't mince his words, principled enough to leave his boyhood club because he didn't like how things were behind the scenes and absolutely back him to hold that bandit Luke Dowling to account.

Superb appointment. 6 bad months in 10 years. Don't let recency bias cloud any judgement. This is a first rate appointment.

(sidenote - anyone calling for Valérien Ismaël... have you watched a single minute of Barnsley this season? Pulisball 2.0)
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 27, 2021, 06:16:12 PM
Could Wilder be moggadon the second?
Attritional but effective? If so I can get behind that because it requires commitment and effort, don’t think a lot of our current squad are the right profile but rather anything than Pulisesque football
SGM as his assistant , now wouldn't that be something
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: PartisanBaggie on May 27, 2021, 06:21:47 PM
More goals scored, fewer goals conceded than this swash buckling Frank Lampard that some drool over..

I am not a massive admirer of Wilder - but he has an excellent track record and we're going to get much better.

We got absolutely mullered by Derby both home and away when Frank Lampard was in charge. You may remember the 1-4 kicking the Super Rams gave us at The Hawthorn’s during the 18/19 season. I know I do!

Had we played another 5 minutes during the 3-3 game at the Hawthorn’s last season, Chelsea would have no doubt gone on to score a 4th having been 3-0 down at half time.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Dan on May 27, 2021, 06:28:23 PM
Lampard would have a strong whiff of RDM - at Villa, not us.

He was ok at Derby, but the fact is he took to them to the exact position Gary Rowett did the season previous and was pretty well backed by them - there's an article in the athletic today how Derby are still paying off the costs of his recruitment, which all flopped pretty much outside the loans. Then at Chelsea he did a good job last season but this season he had them in 9th despite heavy investment, and then a proper coach came in and took the same team to 4th and a CL final. The instant improving of the side to that extent after he left is worrying.

Based on his career I would have very little faith on his ability to build a team here. Wilder is not the most exciting choice but he's a far more obvious choice than Lampard given his record of promotions, got more points last season with Sheffield United than we've ever had in the premier league, and ultimately has had one bad season in his career.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Gilsey 56 on May 27, 2021, 06:38:46 PM
I just hope now its done in the next couple of days and give us some valuable time getting a squad together we have a lot of players going out and need to be pro active.
I would have loved Jokanovic and he will definitely be up there challenging, but if its Wilder so will we.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Standaman on May 27, 2021, 06:42:58 PM
I have major reservations about Wilder and to the extent that I welcome his appointment is based on who isn't rather than any great enthusiasm at the prospect of his football or his ability to use and develop our younger players.

Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on May 27, 2021, 06:43:50 PM
If its Wilder and we start next season with Jake and Romaine in midfield will we be happy?  :D
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: BaggieNick on May 27, 2021, 06:44:24 PM
I just hope now its done in the next couple of days and give us some valuable time getting a squad together we have a lot of players going out and need to be pro active.
I would have loved Jokanovic and he will definitely be up there challenging, but if its Wilder so will we.

Not Wilder. Or Appleton for me.

But. Whoever it is we have to get behind them for our club. Hope we actually get cohesion between management and DoF and push on.

Again, I'm optimistic about next season. I almost dread us gaining promotion.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 27, 2021, 06:44:30 PM
If its Wilder and we start next season with Jake and Romaine in midfield will we be happy?  :D

I wish people would stop reminding me of those 2 together  :o
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: BaggieNick on May 27, 2021, 06:51:57 PM
I wish people would stop reminding me of those 2 together  :o

A nightmare.

Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Dan on May 27, 2021, 06:55:21 PM
I have major reservations about Wilder and to the extent that I welcome his appointment is based on who isn't rather than any great enthusiasm at the prospect of his football or his ability to use and develop our younger players.

If we're being fair here, he didn't take Sheffield United from league one to the premier league and mid-table there - with a lot of the same core of players, by not developing them.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: smethwickw on May 27, 2021, 07:01:37 PM
If we're being fair here, he didn't take Sheffield United from league one to the premier league and mid-table there - with a lot of the same core of players, by not developing them.

He got some bang average players playing way above themselves. 54 points I think last season is pretty impressive.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Baggies on May 27, 2021, 07:05:41 PM
If we're being fair here, he didn't take Sheffield United from league one to the premier league and mid-table there - with a lot of the same core of players, by not developing them.

I think Stan’s point was more in relation to academy players. As far as I can tell, Wilder didn’t give much chance to youth products at Sheff Utd.

Maybe he will be different at a club with a Cat A academy.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Dan on May 27, 2021, 07:15:22 PM
I think Stan’s point was more in relation to academy players. As far as I can tell, Wilder didn’t give much chance to youth products at Sheff Utd.

Maybe he will be different at a club with a Cat A academy.

He bought through David Brooks then had him sold for 12m which I believe is a bigger success story than anyone we've had from our academy since Berahino....
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: tuamigos on May 27, 2021, 07:20:22 PM
Several news outlets saying Wilders appointment is imminent.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: NJS on May 27, 2021, 07:36:14 PM
If its Wilder and we start next season with Jake and Romaine in midfield will we be happy?  :D

Yes "if" - yours is a very unlikely scenario given the type of game CW likes to play.  He would prefer someone speedier than both and would not countenance Sawyer's tackling.

As I said he wasn't my first choice but sometimes we must be realistic and stop wailing for the most expensive toy in the shop.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: lewisant on May 27, 2021, 08:16:55 PM
Vote reset...guess who I voted for...clue - he has 100% of the vote at this stage.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: gazberg on May 27, 2021, 08:17:40 PM
I have now changed to Lampard and still not keen. What a crapshoot.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Standaman on May 27, 2021, 08:18:21 PM
Yes that is the point I was making I missed Brooks but in general Wilder tends to bolt teams together using what can only be described as a scattergun approach and a huge churn of players. For a manager who has a very particular style of play it is amazing how often he hires players that don't fit the style. He hires wingers he doesn't play wingers.

Brookes career is an interesting case study. Currently playing as a wide player he made his breakthrough in the Championship as a withdrawn striker which is the only spot on the pitch with any creative license.  The fee was spent on Norwood and O'Connell and McGoldrick who went on to be lynchpins of the promotion side but there were a whole host of complete busts most were fairly cheap but don't give the impression there is the presence of joined up thinking. 
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: wbasoprano on May 27, 2021, 08:40:10 PM
Voted Enzo before, voted Lampardyce this time
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Baggy nerd on May 27, 2021, 09:58:07 PM
Several news outlets saying Wilders appointment is imminent.

It is strange that the odds are still 2/5 if it is actually so close.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: wbasoprano on May 27, 2021, 10:03:06 PM
It is strange that the odds are still 2/5 if it is actually so close.

1/6 on skybet now
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Dexy on May 27, 2021, 10:11:23 PM
That list still isnt very attractive.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: KN22 on May 27, 2021, 10:22:25 PM
Football is a funny old game. I went to that game and was blown away by how they completely outplayed us in every department. It was men versus boys and I was envious of Sheff Utd fans. I think he's a cracking appointment.

I agree with your comments on the game in question. They were superbly organised, ran all night and moved the ball very quickly. I remember realising after that game that they were far more likely to go up than we were.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: lewisant on May 27, 2021, 11:22:31 PM
I agree with your comments on the game in question. They were superbly organised, ran all night and moved the ball very quickly. I remember realising after that game that they were far more likely to go up than we were.

It was a disheartening watch!

That list still isnt very attractive.

Yeah when i redid it and went through the bookies odds it was just a little less glamorous with Enzo Maresca replaced by A Foreign coach!
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: loucanova on May 28, 2021, 12:16:51 AM
Can’t help but think that Jokanovic would have been an excellent and exciting appointment for Albion, I certainly think he would have fired up the players, supporters and the club as a whole much more so than Wilder might do.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: chipperclark on May 28, 2021, 02:55:58 AM
Can’t help but think that Jokanovic would have been an excellent and exciting appointment for Albion, I certainly think he would have fired up the players, supporters and the club as a whole much more so than Wilder might do.
;D yes but wants 4mill to sign up so aint going to happen :( :( :( :( :(
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on May 28, 2021, 07:17:34 AM
Can’t help but think that Jokanovic would have been an excellent and exciting appointment for Albion, I certainly think he would have fired up the players, supporters and the club as a whole much more so than Wilder might do.

A bilic esq manager for me
Remember he took Fulham up and then got sacked when they were bottom of the Premier and playing poor similar to us
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on May 28, 2021, 08:14:47 AM
A bilic esq manager for me
Remember he took Fulham up and then got sacked when they were bottom of the Premier and playing poor similar to us

and from memory he spent a huge amount of money in the process
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: mulliganstired on May 28, 2021, 08:26:41 AM
If it is to be Wilder I just hope it is sealed quickly so he can get in and get the squad sorted.  You would think he would already have a list of possible players.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 28, 2021, 08:30:51 AM
Some tactical insight into Chris Wilders Sheffield United side...

https://youtu.be/mQdx1OYZ0fA

https://youtu.be/ReXcFBg_5cc
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on May 28, 2021, 09:35:58 AM
Some tactical insight into Chris Wilders Sheffield United side...

https://youtu.be/mQdx1OYZ0fA

https://youtu.be/ReXcFBg_5cc

Very useful Liam, thank you for posting. I now have some insight into how Wilder likes to set his teams up and play.

If he is appointed, I would like him to bring Neil in as his assistant.

I've changed my vote from Valérien Ismaël to Wilder.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: Smethwickender93 on May 28, 2021, 09:37:49 AM
Some tactical insight into Chris Wilders Sheffield United side...

https://youtu.be/mQdx1OYZ0fA

https://youtu.be/ReXcFBg_5cc

So from watching the tactical videos and the current squad we have we would look like this

GK - Johnstone
CB - Ajayi
CB - Bartley
CB - O'Shea
RWB - Furlong
LWB - Townsend

CM - Livermore
CM - Sawyers
CAM - Pereira

ST - Grant
ST - Robinson

This is based on our current squad which we know a few will leave such as Johnstone, MP and will Sawyers and Livermore still be more.

We need a big rebuild similar to the summer like Tony Mowbray had with Morrison and Brunt. We were blessed with those two for the 10 years they were with us
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: SmethDan on May 28, 2021, 09:47:03 AM
I wonder whether Sawyers and Livermore will be able to run any further or faster with Chris Wilder on the touchline. Or whether they'll be first out the door should he be appointed.
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 28, 2021, 09:48:07 AM
So from watching the tactical videos and the current squad we have we would look like this

GK - Johnstone
CB - Ajayi
CB - Bartley
CB - O'Shea
RWB - Furlong
LWB - Townsend

CM - Livermore
CM - Sawyers
CAM - Pereira

ST - Grant
ST - Robinson

This is based on our current squad which we know a few will leave such as Johnstone, MP and will Sawyers and Livermore still be more.

We need a big rebuild similar to the summer like Tony Mowbray had with Morrison and Brunt. We were blessed with those two for the 10 years they were with us

That is grim. Wilder will have to find a way to accommodate Diangana, revamp central midfield with entirely new personnel (or use wide men like Phillips and Snodgrass in there) get a proper centre forward and for my money at least one new centre back to play of the left.

Squad is massively unsuited to this guy. What formation did he use at Northampton? Any chance he reverts to his pre 3-5-2 days?

I wonder whether Sawyers and Livermore will be able to run any further or faster with Chris Wilder on the touchline. Or whether they'll be first out the door should he be appointed.

🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻
Title: Re: New Manager Thread
Post by: NJS on May 28, 2021, 10:11:54 AM
....
Squad is massively unsuited to this guy. What formation did he use at Northampton? Any chance he reverts to his pre 3-5-2 days?