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Re: Saido Berahino
« Reply #725 on: May 02, 2014, 09:03:28 PM »
Spot on.  Remove Lukaku's goals from last season and we'd have been nine points worse off.  Remove Saido's from this season and we're seven points worse off.  Scoring one game-changing goal is infinitely more valuable to us than scoring ten consolation goals, and although he's got a long way to go yet, Berahino has that knack.
What a stupid argument! Do you really think we would've played with 10 men in those games if Lukaku or Berahino hadn't played in them?
Someone else would've played in their place. With a different player it's just as likely we would've scored more as it is that we would've scored less.

Our results after Lukaku became a regular were shocking so while he scored a lot of goals he didn't actually improve the results of the team.

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« Reply #726 on: May 02, 2014, 09:22:12 PM »
What a stupid argument! Do you really think we would've played with 10 men in those games if Lukaku or Berahino hadn't played in them?
Someone else would've played in their place. With a different player it's just as likely we would've scored more as it is that we would've scored less.

Our results after Lukaku became a regular were shocking so while he scored a lot of goals he didn't actually improve the results of the team.

I thought that was a really interesting fact! :o
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« Reply #727 on: May 02, 2014, 09:23:02 PM »
Do you really think we would've played with 10 men in those games if Lukaku or Berahino hadn't played in them?
Someone else would've played in their place. With a different player it's just as likely we would've scored more as it is that we would've scored less.

So if we'd fielded, let's say, Markus Rosenberg in place of Lukaku or Berahino, you think we'd have equalled or exceeded their goals tally?  It's largely a speculative argument whichever way you look at it, but the evidence isn't good.  Different players have different abilities and merits, and there's no guarantee that one will even put on target the kind of chance that another would stick in the back of the net in the blink of an eye.

You can only rate players on what they do for you.  Comparing them to imaginary Roy of the Rovers goal-machines is nothing short of risible.

Our results after Lukaku became a regular were shocking so while he scored a lot of goals he didn't actually improve the results of the team.

Exactly the point I was making about the value of game-changing goals compared to consolation goals.  So, it's such a stupid argument that you actually agree with it?   ::)
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Re: Saido Berahino
« Reply #728 on: May 02, 2014, 09:41:34 PM »
Exactly the point I was making about the value of game-changing goals compared to consolation goals.  So, it's such a stupid argument that you actually agree with it?   ::)

But exactly how many of those game-changing goals would not have been scored if a different striker had played in place of Berahino? The goal at Old Trafford? Any more? But there are loads of other chances that we may well have scored if Berahino hadn't been on the pitch because he may become a premiership striker if he fulfils his promise but he is nowhere near at the moment

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Re: Saido Berahino
« Reply #729 on: May 02, 2014, 10:01:36 PM »
But exactly how many of those game-changing goals would not have been scored if a different striker had played in place of Berahino? The goal at Old Trafford? Any more? But there are loads of other chances that we may well have scored if Berahino hadn't been on the pitch because he may become a premiership striker if he fulfils his promise but he is nowhere near at the moment

Yes, I agree that another striker may have scored the same goals, but then again, they may not; it's all pure speculation, and I deal strictly with the evidence in front of me.  The best way of judging a goalscorer's impact, for me, is measuring the points his goals have directly contributed to our season; it's not a perfect system by any means, and it doesn't account for might-have-beens, but nevertheless, it delivers some concrete facts to base opinions on.

Of course Saido isn't a full-fledged Prem striker yet; as I said in my initial post, he has a long way to go.  But his game-changing goals this season have been a demonstrable boon to us.  As they say, a bird in the hand...
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« Reply #730 on: July 31, 2014, 03:14:56 PM »
I honestly think this kid has a real bright future and, if he applies himself correctly, could get 15+ goals next season. I know he has attitude problems, but if Irvine is as good as he is being lauded when it comes to getting the best from youth, he could be our ace in the hole.
He's not the greatest footballer, but neither were Lineker or Shearer, they just had a real eye for goal. He's never going to be in their league, but could still carve out a good career if he keeps his feet on the ground IMO.

What's others thoughts, good prospect or overrated flash in the pan?

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« Reply #731 on: July 31, 2014, 03:20:19 PM »
Do or die season for him I think he should start showing more promise this campaign if he is to be successful, I think your right he could be more of a goalpoacher than someone who takes a man on, Over to you Saido.

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« Reply #732 on: July 31, 2014, 03:20:41 PM »
Welcome to the forum Saido  ;D

The kid has talent, just needs to apply himself to be honest. Get his head down, and let the football do the talking. At the moment he goes missing alot
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« Reply #733 on: July 31, 2014, 03:24:19 PM »
Welcome to the forum Saido  ;D

The kid has talent, just needs to apply himself to be honest. Get his head down, and let the football do the talking. At the moment he goes missing alot

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« Reply #734 on: July 31, 2014, 03:38:30 PM »
overrated flash in the pan !
Needs to much "management" for my liking, but then I am an old fart and he's a modern footballer so its not surprising I think that way
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Re: Saido Berahino
« Reply #735 on: August 01, 2014, 08:37:27 AM »
As long as he shows improvement in things like decision making and can score a few more goals then I'll be happy.

 Improvement season on season is what I want/expect from young players.
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« Reply #736 on: August 01, 2014, 08:45:55 AM »
Big season for him
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Re: Saido Berahino
« Reply #737 on: August 01, 2014, 08:53:00 AM »
I don't see it as a do or die season. He just needs to knuckle down, work hard, keep developing as a footballer and stay out of the headlines for the wrong reasons.


Still young but I think we'll see him nail down a regular first team place if he gets his attitude right.
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Re: Saido Berahino
« Reply #738 on: August 01, 2014, 08:56:11 AM »
I hope the new Coach will tell him off if he gets too greedy. How many times last season did he shoot when others were in a better position?
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Re: Saido Berahino
« Reply #739 on: August 01, 2014, 08:59:22 AM »
I don't see it as a do or die season. He just needs to knuckle down, work hard, keep developing as a footballer and stay out of the headlines for the wrong reasons.


Still young but I think we'll see him nail down a regular first team place if he gets his attitude right.
I'd agree with that but I am hoping for a solid season from him with headlines for the right reasons, hopefully a bit of maturity and competition for places will bring the best out of him.

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Re: Saido Berahino
« Reply #740 on: August 04, 2014, 08:39:42 AM »
If he carries on like Saturday can't see him starting many games even if we play 451 at home with big Vic upfront and sessgnon in behind or dorrans.

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Re: Saido Berahino
« Reply #741 on: August 04, 2014, 08:53:46 AM »
If he carries on like Saturday can't see him starting many games even if we play 451 at home with big Vic upfront and sessgnon in behind or dorrans.


we need strikers.Big Vic and Berahino aint going to score the goals for us required.We just spent 10 million on a bloke we cant get a permit for and will miss the start of the season ffs.What date did we sign him again >:(
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Re: Saido Berahino
« Reply #742 on: August 04, 2014, 09:12:39 AM »

we need strikers.Big Vic and Berahino aint going to score the goals for us required.We just spent 10 million on a bloke we cant get a permit for and will miss the start of the season ffs.What date did we sign him again >:(


we need strikers.Big Vic and Berahino aint going to score the goals for us required.We just spent 10 million on a bloke we cant get a permit for and will miss the start of the season ffs.What date did we sign him again >:(
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Re: Saido Berahino
« Reply #743 on: August 05, 2014, 09:27:54 PM »
The key to getting the best out of Berahino is to confiscate his mobile phone.

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« Reply #744 on: August 16, 2014, 07:58:14 PM »
Good to see him get two goals. I felt Saido worked very hard today especially off the ball.
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Re: Saido Berahino
« Reply #745 on: August 16, 2014, 08:02:45 PM »
He's a goalscorer and given the opportunity he will score goals.

He's not the finish product yet but he's getting there.  His awareness is something that needs to improve but I would imagine given time and a better understanding with our new players that will eventually come.

For such a young man he has great composure though. That's two excellent penalties he's taken for us when he pressure was on.
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Re: Saido Berahino
« Reply #746 on: August 16, 2014, 08:56:54 PM »
Proper cool head from the spot. Wasn't a fan of Nathan Ellington, but he was a cool penalty taker & Saido seems similar.

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« Reply #747 on: August 16, 2014, 09:30:39 PM »
He's a goalscorer and given the opportunity he will score goals.

He's not the finish product yet but he's getting there.  His awareness is something that needs to improve but I would imagine given time and a better understanding with our new players that will eventually come.

For such a young man he has great composure though. That's two excellent penalties he's taken for us when he pressure was on.

Agreed, i also think his decision making lets him down. Whether its lack of vision, poor decision making, lack of awareness or just single mindedness he often retains the ball for too long
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« Reply #748 on: August 17, 2014, 08:46:49 AM »
I'm quite happy for him to be that naive/unfinished/attitudinal every week.
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« Reply #749 on: August 17, 2014, 09:16:15 AM »
Well he's a fifth of the way to his target of double figures already. Just hope he keeps up the application which Irvine spoke about on Friday. Saido and Bobby could well become our front 2 of choice and we could reasonably hope for double figures from both.