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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #100 on: November 22, 2020, 01:05:18 AM »
The rule, not to move off the line wasn't introduced this weekend, it has been common knowledge all season. There is nothing to stop Johnstone diving sideways across his goal line rather than jumping forwards. If however he insists on jumping forwards he should be standing behind his goal line. Penalties have been saved this season, including from Fernandes who missed one at Newcastle with his skip and jump. It didn't stop Darlow staying on the line. You might think the rule is unfair but it's a goalkeeping mistake to twice not be able to attempt a save whilst keeping a foot on the goal line.

I understand the rule clearly, all im asking is why is it down to just the keeper. Yes keep 1 foot on the line, but the rules should state that the attacker cant hop skip jump or whatever to give himself an advantage over the keeper.

On the other hand, After a positive performance, id rather talk about the ref, how well we played, rather then johnstone and the penalty

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« Reply #101 on: November 22, 2020, 01:10:17 AM »
Technically speaking the goalkeeper cannot stand behind the goal line by choice as he would be leaving the technical area of play without permission. He would then need the permission of the referee to re enter play. We see the same time and again when players leave the technical area of play when injured. An act of momentum in open play is different.
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« Reply #102 on: November 22, 2020, 06:47:37 AM »
After sleeping on it I still feel cheated.
The boys played well and deserved something from that game.
In the build up to their penalty their was a blatant foul on Gallagher that the ref decided to let go.
How ours wasn't a penalty, even after review, I'll never know.
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« Reply #103 on: November 22, 2020, 07:49:37 AM »
After sleeping on it I still feel cheated.
The boys played well and deserved something from that game.
In the build up to their penalty their was a blatant foul on Gallagher that the ref decided to let go.
How ours wasn't a penalty, even after review, I'll never know.

This & on the 2nd retake Fred encroached the area so it should have been retaken again. Absolute screw job by the muppets that referee this league, no excuses when they have the benefit of video assistance they should be getting every decision spot on.

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« Reply #104 on: November 22, 2020, 08:32:18 AM »
Absolutely disgusting antics yesterday.

Football is set up to favour and assist five or six clubs and the powers that be dont give a fudge about the other clubs. There is a huge bias towards these clubs, there has been for a long time. It goes on right in front of everyone's nose and no one with any influence really cares.

No point me analysing events from the game everyone knows what happened.

I know we all want what is best for the club but personally I cant wait to see us playing proper football again back in the Championship. The Premier League is disgusting. Referees might be poor in the Championship but at least there is a fairness and honesty about them and the league as a whole.

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« Reply #105 on: November 22, 2020, 08:58:25 AM »
Refrained from posting last night.

I’m still equally as angry.

There is not much I can say that has not been said.   VAR got every decision wrong.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #106 on: November 22, 2020, 09:16:21 AM »
VAR is like a counting machine at an election it's not the figures that count but how those figures are interpreted, the evidence may be black but if the powers that be say it's white there is nothing you can do about it.
VAR is a tool to make sure they get the result they wanted it's as corrupt as it comes.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #107 on: November 22, 2020, 09:20:43 AM »
Smethdan i would think the "in goal" area is considered to be part of the playing area.

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« Reply #108 on: November 22, 2020, 09:24:05 AM »
We were cheated of course we were. I still cannot subscribe to the let’s get back to the championship view however. I want my club to be a success and that doesn’t happen if you are in the second tier. Other clubs do okay in this league, not just the chosen six. Let’s stay positive and move on.

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« Reply #109 on: November 22, 2020, 09:37:14 AM »
We were cheated of course we were. I still cannot subscribe to the let’s get back to the championship view however. I want my club to be a success and that doesn’t happen if you are in the second tier. Other clubs do okay in this league, not just the chosen six. Let’s stay positive and move on.
Great post , my feelings exactly.
You only go backwards if you stay at that level too long and on the evidence of the last 2 games this side is better than many think.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #110 on: November 22, 2020, 09:40:36 AM »
We were cheated of course we were. I still cannot subscribe to the let’s get back to the championship view however. I want my club to be a success and that doesn’t happen if you are in the second tier. Other clubs do okay in this league, not just the chosen six. Let’s stay positive and move on.
I think what some people are saying is do we want to part of a corrupt league the Championship is more honest if the Premier was the same then there wouldn't be a problem.

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« Reply #111 on: November 22, 2020, 10:29:43 AM »
Chump league is as bad with inept officials, which is the real problem. Man Utd have had a ridiculous amount of penalties since var was brought in and I'd wager that their opponents had a fair few ruled out.
To get var right I think that there should be a representative of each team present in var booth which should be at grounds and not remotely located.

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« Reply #112 on: November 22, 2020, 10:41:10 AM »
I think what some people are saying is do we want to part of a corrupt league the Championship is more honest if the Premier was the same then there wouldn't be a problem.

I do get that. However, what happens if we do well in Championship? Got to find a way of establishing the club in the premier league, corrupt or not.

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« Reply #113 on: November 22, 2020, 10:53:35 AM »
VAR is like a counting machine at an election it's not the figures that count but how those figures are interpreted, the evidence may be black but if the powers that be say it's white there is nothing you can do about it.
VAR is a tool to make sure they get the result they wanted it's as corrupt as it comes.

I usually agree with you Kya, but in this instance the referee is a tool.
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« Reply #114 on: November 22, 2020, 10:58:57 AM »
I'm still seething to be honest, in fact I can't recall ever feeling so cheated in a game. My wife doesn't watch much football but she was glued to this - first thinking we looked excellent (which we absolutely did next to United) - and then as furious as me about how the decisions were made.

She said the same as all of us, this league is loaded in the big guns' favour.

It was massively unjust and while I love the Albion I think the game at the top level is well and truly screwed. Bloody Sky. Bloody Murdoch. Bloody MONEY.
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« Reply #115 on: November 22, 2020, 11:11:43 AM »
I haven't watched any Replays of it the general view from everyone is that United were gifted a win I am still angry I will listen to the games today to see what points are raised about last night. But we move on hopefully we win next game COYB and **** VAR a total farse
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« Reply #116 on: November 22, 2020, 12:04:15 PM »
Somewhere between the Premier League and Sky there is a motive for creating a competition at the top end of the division.  It creates more headlines and more subscriptions than what might be happening elsewhere in the league.

I think this creates a pressure - even unspoken - on referees to do right by the top clubs especially those challenging Citeh and Liverpool this season (cf Spurs and Man Utd).

Second factor is that Mourinho or Solskaer complaining creates more headlines and more comeback on refs than complaints from Dyche or Bilic.

Third factor is that so many refs are star-struck and even supporters of the top six.

All of the above nets down to the conclusion that you can't look for fairness in the EPL.
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« Reply #117 on: November 22, 2020, 12:19:45 PM »
Fuming last night, still fuming this morning.  >:( The football authorities need to look at this VAR rubbish, it is killing football.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #118 on: November 22, 2020, 12:32:19 PM »
Watch the ref go to the monitor again. He doesn’t even wait for the best angle. He’s already walking away when it gets to it.

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« Reply #119 on: November 22, 2020, 12:36:27 PM »
On another note, we can’t seem to score. We created chances yesterday but our lack of goals even with Grant in the team is worrying...

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #120 on: November 22, 2020, 01:51:02 PM »
Worth retelling the old Megson story about pre-match at Old Trafford:

Ref doing the courtesies, oils up to Rooney, "Oh, hi Wayne, I was wondering would we get a pic after the match for my 12 y old son.  Have a good day, Wayne."

Strides up to Paul Robsinson:  "You, Robinson, I know your style, you'd better keep it clean today"

And then people are surprised when things like last night happen?

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« Reply #121 on: November 22, 2020, 02:04:52 PM »
Watch the ref go to the monitor again. He doesn’t even wait for the best angle. He’s already walking away when it gets to it.

he was also stood quie far away for a smalls screen, how can he possibly see to make a decision from that.

It was just an act.

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« Reply #122 on: November 22, 2020, 02:22:46 PM »
Smethdan i would think the "in goal" area is considered to be part of the playing area.

Hello Brian. If you read your post back to yourself and have a think about it, you'll realise why the 'in goal' area is not considered part of the playing area of a football pitch.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #123 on: November 22, 2020, 02:25:37 PM »
I usually agree with you Kya, but in this instance the referee is a tool.
Well,  on that front you won't get any arguments from me! ;)

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« Reply #124 on: November 22, 2020, 02:28:18 PM »
I'm still seething to be honest, in fact I can't recall ever feeling so cheated in a game. My wife doesn't watch much football but she was glued to this - first thinking we looked excellent (which we absolutely did next to United) - and then as furious as me about how the decisions were made.

She said the same as all of us, this league is loaded in the big guns' favour.

It was massively unjust and while I love the Albion I think the game at the top level is well and truly screwed. Bloody Sky. Bloody Murdoch. Bloody MONEY.
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