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« Reply #5350 on: October 18, 2020, 12:40:23 AM »
The App isn't the issue, the BMA have raised a genuine concern that people with mild symptoms won't bother getting tested at all because of this.
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« Reply #5351 on: October 18, 2020, 10:26:55 AM »
It's an impossible situation, no one wants Labour's total lockdown, no one wants to be isolated so they can't work.
The only salvation is a vaccine.
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« Reply #5352 on: October 18, 2020, 11:04:02 AM »
It's an impossible situation, no one wants Labour's total lockdown, no one wants to be isolated so they can't work.
The only salvation is a vaccine.

I read an article yesterday that cast doubt on whether a vaccine will ever be available. Apparently, in government circles, there is something of a joke about the fact that Matt Hancock is the only minister who believes that we will have a vaccine. This has always been a possibility so the should be an exit strategy drawn up in case of that eventuality. At the moment, everything seems to be decided ‘on the hoof’.

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« Reply #5353 on: October 18, 2020, 11:13:44 AM »
It's an impossible situation, no one wants Labour's total lockdown, no one wants to be isolated so they can't work.
The only salvation is a vaccine.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-confusion-over-covid-19-vaccine-plans

A vaccine being developed by Oxford University and the pharma giant AstraZeneca is considered a front-runner in the race to protect the world from Covid-19 infection.

There’s no guarantee this vaccine (or any other) will work. If it does it will be a massive good news story for British science and the UK government, who have helped fund the project.

But what happens next if this or another vaccine candidate successfully provides immunity against Covid-19? There have been mixed messages recently about how a vaccination programme would be handled.
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« Reply #5354 on: October 18, 2020, 12:30:57 PM »
I have just been invited into the Stage 3 Oxford vaccine program, however, unlike other age groups, the older age groups don't get paid expenses, £300-500, the trial will involve several days off and hospital visits so, as someone who had already lost 6 months earnings, I need to work so I shall be declining.
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« Reply #5355 on: October 18, 2020, 12:51:58 PM »
Seen there's meant to be progress today in terms of a vaccine which could be ready by December. However, I know the press love to push stories like this so I won't get my hopes up. It would be great though if everything was over by then.
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« Reply #5356 on: October 18, 2020, 02:39:17 PM »
Seen there's meant to be progress today in terms of a vaccine which could be ready by December. However, I know the press love to push stories like this so I won't get my hopes up. It would be great though if everything was over by then.

Not sure if I'll be rushing into having the vaccine if/when its available. Too soon to see what side effects (if any) it has.
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« Reply #5357 on: October 18, 2020, 08:29:38 PM »
There were hopes of the vaccine being ready in September at one stage so December seems plausible.

As far as I'm concerned I do think that when vaccines are licensed in this country they have gone through rigorous testing and would accept one myself. There's always the chance with any vaccine that there might be a side effect in one particular group or combined set of circumstances when it's rolled out to millions....but as we all know this virus has caused havoc and we have to find a way out.

If the Oxford vaccine gets passed it will have been given to tens of thousands of participants across several countries during the trials.

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« Reply #5358 on: October 18, 2020, 08:36:58 PM »
There were hopes of the vaccine being ready in September at one stage so December seems plausible.

As far as I'm concerned I do think that when vaccines are licensed in this country they have gone through rigorous testing and would accept one myself. There's always the chance with any vaccine that there might be a side effect in one particular group or combined set of circumstances when it's rolled out to millions....but as we all know this virus has caused havoc and we have to find a way out.

If the Oxford vaccine gets passed it will have been given to tens of thousands of participants across several countries during the trials.

I agree, I will get it as soon as I can.
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« Reply #5359 on: October 18, 2020, 09:33:50 PM »
Whoever gets this vaccine please let me know of the medium to long term side effects. Then I’ll look at getting it in a few years maybe, cheers.

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« Reply #5360 on: October 18, 2020, 10:39:23 PM »
There's no way it will be rushed out before it's safe. Regardless of the demand, the legal costs if it has side effects will run into billions. I will have a vaccine when it's avaliable but if I got seriously ill, would be straight onto the solisctor.

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« Reply #5361 on: October 18, 2020, 10:43:42 PM »
There's no way it will be rushed out before it's safe. Regardless of the demand, the legal costs if it has side effects will run into billions. I will have a vaccine when it's avaliable but if I got seriously ill, would be straight onto the solisctor.

Sorry to disappoint but the big pharmaceuticals have got a free hit and cannot be sued for this vaccine.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-astrazeneca-results-vaccine-liability/astrazeneca-to-be-exempt-from-coronavirus-vaccine-liability-claims-in-most-countries-idUKKCN24V2EN
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« Reply #5362 on: October 18, 2020, 11:38:15 PM »
My wife has had a very debilitating cough for over a week. (We are in the "at risk group").  I have got in touch with NHS111, They sent us to Worcester County Hall for a test.
Hopefully it is just a cough which occurs. If not, isolation is not bad thing, in the circumstances.
As to a vaccine? Yes please, rather than death.
Side effects, most people can live with. Death is final !

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« Reply #5363 on: October 19, 2020, 08:27:30 AM »
My wife has had a very debilitating cough for over a week. (We are in the "at risk group").  I have got in touch with NHS111, They sent us to Worcester County Hall for a test.
Hopefully it is just a cough which occurs. If not, isolation is not bad thing, in the circumstances.
As to a vaccine? Yes please, rather than death.
Side effects, most people can live with. Death is final !

Hope everything goes okay with your wife Droitwich.
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« Reply #5364 on: October 19, 2020, 08:42:48 AM »
There were hopes of the vaccine being ready in September at one stage so December seems plausible.

As far as I'm concerned I do think that when vaccines are licensed in this country they have gone through rigorous testing and would accept one myself. There's always the chance with any vaccine that there might be a side effect in one particular group or combined set of circumstances when it's rolled out to millions....but as we all know this virus has caused havoc and we have to find a way out.

If the Oxford vaccine gets passed it will have been given to tens of thousands of participants across several countries during the trials.

I agree, but it usually takes years to develop and test a vaccine.
Have we ever developed and tested vaccine during a live pandemic before?
Personally, I er on the side of caution.
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« Reply #5365 on: October 19, 2020, 08:45:52 AM »
There's no way it will be rushed out before it's safe. Regardless of the demand, the legal costs if it has side effects will run into billions. I will have a vaccine when it's avaliable but if I got seriously ill, would be straight onto the solisctor.

Ever heard of Thalidomide?
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« Reply #5366 on: October 19, 2020, 09:23:49 AM »
I agree, but it usually takes years to develop and test a vaccine.
Have we ever developed and tested vaccine during a live pandemic before?
Personally, I er on the side of caution.
There are advantages in developing during a live pandemic though - one being that they've been able to test in Brazil, US and South Africa as well as UK when people have been getting natural exposure to the virus.
It's been done quicker than usual as more money and resource has been thrown at the vaccine production than would usually be the case..and significantly the vaccine manufacturers like Astrazeneca have been given the go-ahead and finance to produce large quantities of the vaccine ready for rollout in advance of final clearance being given. So it's ready to go as soon as the green light is given (this wouldn't usually happen as they'd wait for approval to be finalised before starting mass vaccine production).
There was a mention above of waiting to see the medium and long term effects of the vaccine which I can sort of understand .....but also we don't yet know the medium and long term effects of the virus itself  - though we do know that plenty are experiencing prolonged debilitating effects 'long covid'.

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« Reply #5367 on: October 19, 2020, 09:59:50 AM »
Ever heard of Thalidomide?

Thalidomide is a drug, not a vaccine but I take your point, Thalidomide is still in use, but obviously, not around pregnant women.
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« Reply #5368 on: October 19, 2020, 01:25:25 PM »
Ever heard of Thalidomide?

Thalidomide is exactly why I said what I said.

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« Reply #5369 on: October 19, 2020, 10:24:54 PM »
My wife has had a very debilitating cough for over a week. (We are in the "at risk group").  I have got in touch with NHS111, They sent us to Worcester County Hall for a test.
Hopefully it is just a cough which occurs. If not, isolation is not bad thing, in the circumstances.
As to a vaccine? Yes please, rather than death.
Side effects, most people can live with. Death is final !

Good luck, hope she's ok

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« Reply #5370 on: October 19, 2020, 10:33:20 PM »
Only just caught up with this, I hope the Mrs is fee!ing better mate and the test comes back clear


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« Reply #5371 on: October 19, 2020, 11:33:54 PM »
Thank you all for your wishes.
She still feels unwell and "out of it".
Her cough still lingers and keeps her awake at night. She has to sleep sitting upright.She does struggle to breathe easily, but it may just be a cold.
We are still waiting for the result.
Again, thank you all for your concerns and wishes.


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« Reply #5372 on: October 19, 2020, 11:37:21 PM »
Hope you wife feels better soon Droitwich Baggie and results come back negative.

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« Reply #5373 on: October 20, 2020, 02:25:28 AM »
Belgium in fear of being overwhelmed, touch of Deja Vu about this lot again

https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2020/10/19/the-european-country-on-the-verge-of-a-covid-tsunami/
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« Reply #5374 on: October 20, 2020, 06:57:46 AM »
Thank you all for your wishes.
She still feels unwell and "out of it".
Her cough still lingers and keeps her awake at night. She has to sleep sitting upright.She does struggle to breathe easily, but it may just be a cold.
We are still waiting for the result.
Again, thank you all for your concerns and wishes.

Best wishes to you and your wife Droity.
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