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« Reply #675 on: March 27, 2020, 12:36:14 PM »
Or his Father.
I was going to answer that but have thought better of it! Nuff said !
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« Reply #676 on: March 27, 2020, 01:06:56 PM »
Dear all, again, many thanks for all your support, thoughts and good wishes that have meant so much to us.

After some anxious moments and physically and mentally draining days, particularly for my wife, I'm pleased to be able to say that my father-in-law is showing signs of improvement and is responding to treatment. It's still early days, but the doctor and staff at his care home are sounding more positive about him and he does look brighter in himself.

The care home suggested that we might want to scale back our visits for our own sake as much as the safety of their other residence, which we fully appreciate.

We are take nothing for granted, its just a day at a time.

I hope you, your families and friends are safe and well, we can ask for little more in these unprecedented times.
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« Reply #677 on: March 27, 2020, 01:54:57 PM »
 I am thinking of you and yours mate

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« Reply #678 on: March 27, 2020, 03:56:56 PM »
Dear all, again, many thanks for all your support, thoughts and good wishes that have meant so much to us.

After some anxious moments and physically and mentally draining days, particularly for my wife, I'm pleased to be able to say that my father-in-law is showing signs of improvement and is responding to treatment. It's still early days, but the doctor and staff at his care home are sounding more positive about him and he does look brighter in himself.

The care home suggested that we might want to scale back our visits for our own sake as much as the safety of their other residence, which we fully appreciate.

We are take nothing for granted, its just a day at a time.

I hope you, your families and friends are safe and well, we can ask for little more in these unprecedented times.
its good hear a bit of positive news, fingers crossed. All the best.
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« Reply #679 on: March 28, 2020, 09:04:24 AM »
Well, the Care Home i manage has somehow managed to have a bout of norovirus sweeping it when we could do without people immune systems being lowered and i now have the bug, mostly hit last! Seem to have woken up better today, some symptoms tie up with coronavirus so that could complicate matters. I currently have a temperature, aching and D&V which has been fun.

Side note; i can't actually be sick due to 5 operations as a child so the heaving has been mega painful!

Hope this doesn't make us all more vulnerable to corona but ultimately it will.

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« Reply #680 on: March 28, 2020, 11:12:24 AM »
Well, the Care Home i manage has somehow managed to have a bout of norovirus sweeping it when we could do without people immune systems being lowered and i now have the bug, mostly hit last! Seem to have woken up better today, some symptoms tie up with coronavirus so that could complicate matters. I currently have a temperature, aching and D&V which has been fun.

Side note; i can't actually be sick due to 5 operations as a child so the heaving has been mega painful!

Hope this doesn't make us all more vulnerable to corona but ultimately it will.
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« Reply #681 on: March 28, 2020, 12:07:57 PM »
Well, the Care Home i manage has somehow managed to have a bout of norovirus sweeping it when we could do without people immune systems being lowered and i now have the bug, mostly hit last! Seem to have woken up better today, some symptoms tie up with coronavirus so that could complicate matters. I currently have a temperature, aching and D&V which has been fun.

Side note; i can't actually be sick due to 5 operations as a child so the heaving has been mega painful!

Hope this doesn't make us all more vulnerable to corona but ultimately it will.
Hope you are feeling better mate, sounds proper rough!
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« Reply #683 on: March 28, 2020, 08:25:40 PM »
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« Reply #684 on: March 28, 2020, 10:14:57 PM »
Ask the NHS staff on the front line if there is anyone to blame?


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« Reply #686 on: March 29, 2020, 08:08:35 AM »
The only people to blame are the idiots who carried on socialising after we were advised to keep apart which then resulted in a more restrictive shutdown.
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« Reply #687 on: March 29, 2020, 08:53:12 AM »
Another 'wise after the event' clown.

Are you joking? We had at least a month to prepare and we did nothing.  We could see what was happening in China, and then Iran, and then Italy.  And while we should have been preparing all we did was tell people to sing Happy Birthday while washing their hands.  The FA and Prem League took their own decision to cancel their sporting events while the government was insisting that large gatherings were fine.  The reason people carried on mingling was because the advice we were given was so vague. (There's still idiots about too).

We could clearly see what was coming.  We didn't need hindsight.  This was no surprise.  Just look at the timeline.

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« Reply #688 on: March 29, 2020, 09:55:34 AM »
Are you joking? We had at least a month to prepare and we did nothing.  We could see what was happening in China, and then Iran, and then Italy.  And while we should have been preparing all we did was tell people to sing Happy Birthday while washing their hands.  The FA and Prem League took their own decision to cancel their sporting events while the government was insisting that large gatherings were fine.  The reason people carried on mingling was because the advice we were given was so vague. (There's still idiots about too).

We could clearly see what was coming.  We didn't need hindsight.  This was no surprise.  Just look at the timeline.
...and Matt Hancock was telling us it was still OK to shake hands. We had a week of shaking hands, then a week of elbow bumps when we should have been staying away from each other as much as possible.

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« Reply #689 on: March 29, 2020, 09:56:41 AM »
No I am not joking.

The article correctly points out that the advice from the WHO was test, test, test. Clearly this is imperative to find out not only who has the virus, but who has had the virus, but there is an assumption that we a) had the testing kits from the outset, and b) the manpower, PPE and logistics to carry out the testing from day 1. 

The article clearly cites the NHS for being 'wholly unprepared' for the pandemic and ignored warnings. It seems that the whole of the world are/were in the same position, not just the NHS so I think that it is unfair to blame the NHS;  given that this is global then there is a global demand on a finite number of PPE items, testing kits etc, something that you are now seeing now in the US, where you have 50 States each squabbling over ventilators and PPE.

For me the 'lessons learnt' session is for a later date. Certainly China has a few questions to answer [something referred to by No 10], but now is not the time for this type of journalistic rubbish. The NHS are doing a remarkable job and do not need negative articles such as this.

It is also easy to drill down into the Government guidance and say that it was 'vague'. Well it seems to me that the vast majority of the nation got the message from the outset, but there are still quite a few 'employers' insisting on business as usual which is not helping the situation, so I anticipate further more robust guidance this week.

Oh, and don't forget the countless 'muppets' who think that social distancing does not apply to them and carry on regardless.

   
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« Reply #690 on: March 29, 2020, 10:09:27 AM »
If you want to see an example of not understanding what this virus is about then we need to look no further than the US and Trump in particular, who now seems to be backing away from a total lock down of NYC. What could possibly go wrong???

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« Reply #691 on: March 29, 2020, 10:15:45 AM »
Are you joking? We had at least a month to prepare and we did nothing.  We could see what was happening in China, and then Iran, and then Italy.  And while we should have been preparing all we did was tell people to sing Happy Birthday while washing their hands.  The FA and Prem League took their own decision to cancel their sporting events while the government was insisting that large gatherings were fine.  The reason people carried on mingling was because the advice we were given was so vague. (There's still idiots about too).

We could clearly see what was coming.  We didn't need hindsight.  This was no surprise.  Just look at the timeline.

 Government depts were preparing there is a plan already on the shelf for dealing with a pandemic illness. Also we were the first country to order on mass face masks which the French company had now blocked.
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« Reply #692 on: March 29, 2020, 10:28:24 AM »
If you want to see an example of not understanding what this virus is about then we need to look no further than the US and Trump in particular, who now seems to be backing away from a total lock down of NYC. What could possibly go wrong???

There is a man who is unprepared [at the moment]
Yeah, he doesn't like to arrive 'late into the room' after others have stressed the urgency while he was carrying on with his own self-interested theories about things. 

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« Reply #693 on: March 29, 2020, 10:43:25 AM »
Richard Horton is a bit of a tit - mud slinging at the government and the NHS for not reacting. These were his own views in January:


A call for caution please. Media are escalating anxiety by talking of a “killer virus” + “growing fears”. In truth, from what we currently know, 2019-nCoV has moderate transmissibility and relatively low pathogenicity. There is no reason to foster panic with exaggerated language.


The WHO tweeted in January that the preliminary evidence showed that the Chinese authorities found no evidence of human to human transmission.

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Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China🇨🇳.

Mr Horton then tweeted the followimg:

And, when one examines the global response to 2019-nCoV, Chinese authorities have acted quickly and decisively to control the outbreak. They have shared information rapidly and transparently. Meanwhile, WHO has been impressive: clear and confident decisions and communication.


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« Reply #694 on: March 29, 2020, 11:43:35 AM »
Government depts were preparing there is a plan already on the shelf for dealing with a pandemic illness. Also we were the first country to order on mass face masks which the French company had now blocked.

I imagine certain countries, probably those who produced them kept the vast majority of tests, PPE etc, this government have not been perfect, but they have followed the medical advice and taken difficult decisions when appropriate, which is why the vast majority of the country are behind them
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« Reply #695 on: March 29, 2020, 11:52:02 AM »
Government depts were preparing there is a plan already on the shelf for dealing with a pandemic illness. Also we were the first country to order on mass face masks which the French company had now blocked.

We weren't prepared, otherwise we'd have had PPE ready for front line staff and we'd have take steps to flatten the curve. 

Have you read the pandemic plan?  I have.  It was for a flu pandemic with a much lower fatality rate, it wasn't suitable for what we are facing.  We watched what happened in other countries and ignored it.   2 weeks ago Boris was bragging about shaking hands with coronavirus patients.

We changed direction when we realised how many deaths the current plan would have led to.  Since then we've reacted as well as we could be expected to but we wasted a lot of time when we could have been saving more lives.

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« Reply #696 on: March 29, 2020, 11:52:56 AM »
If you have an exercise  ( Exercise Cygnus ) that exposes the difficulty that our country would experience during a pandemic, surely to god you would act on it straight away. Not wait till it hits us.
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« Reply #697 on: March 29, 2020, 11:58:04 AM »
No I am not joking.

The article correctly points out that the advice from the WHO was test, test, test. Clearly this is imperative to find out not only who has the virus, but who has had the virus, but there is an assumption that we a) had the testing kits from the outset, and b) the manpower, PPE and logistics to carry out the testing from day 1. 

The article clearly cites the NHS for being 'wholly unprepared' for the pandemic and ignored warnings. It seems that the whole of the world are/were in the same position, not just the NHS so I think that it is unfair to blame the NHS;  given that this is global then there is a global demand on a finite number of PPE items, testing kits etc, something that you are now seeing now in the US, where you have 50 States each squabbling over ventilators and PPE.

For me the 'lessons learnt' session is for a later date. Certainly China has a few questions to answer [something referred to by No 10], but now is not the time for this type of journalistic rubbish. The NHS are doing a remarkable job and do not need negative articles such as this.

It is also easy to drill down into the Government guidance and say that it was 'vague'. Well it seems to me that the vast majority of the nation got the message from the outset, but there are still quite a few 'employers' insisting on business as usual which is not helping the situation, so I anticipate further more robust guidance this week.

Oh, and don't forget the countless 'muppets' who think that social distancing does not apply to them and carry on regardless.

 

Regarding the test, test, test, yes, this was the WHO's advice.  This is an article from the NHS from the 11th March.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/2020/03/nhs-to-ramp-up-coronavirus-testing-labs/

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"Approximately 1,500 tests are being processed every day at PHE labs with the great majority of tests being turned around within 24 hours. PHE has processed over 25,000 tests as of 10 March and has not exceeded capacity during this time."

We had the tests available, we weren't even at capacity and we were looking at ramping up to ~10,000 tests a day, an increase of 500% bringing on other labs.  At this point we only (not a great word tbf) had 6 deaths.  We stepped back from this approach and decided to only test those admitted to hospital, despite it being against the WHO advice.  Even now we are saying that the WHO advice doesn't apply to us because we're somehow special.

I know 2 nurses and 1 paramaedic - they 100% agree that the NHS was completely unprepared for this pandemic.  I do agree the time for an investigation is once all this is hopefully over though.

I just completely disagree that there was nothing we could do to have prepared for situation we are in now.

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« Reply #698 on: March 29, 2020, 11:59:09 AM »
Another 'wise after the event' clown.

Plenty of those about isn’t there. If we shut down too late, it was days not weeks. They could not do it much earlier like some now think they should have. They couldn’t destroy the economy until they had too.

Nobody saw this coming and if we had shut down earlier the public would have hit the roof. Imagine Joe bloggs having their holiday cancelled whilst the rest of the world carried on and it turning out to be another SARS, which didn’t really effect the west.

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« Reply #699 on: March 29, 2020, 12:02:38 PM »
Richard Horton is a bit of a tit - mud slinging at the government and the NHS for not reacting. These were his own views in January:


A call for caution please. Media are escalating anxiety by talking of a “killer virus” + “growing fears”. In truth, from what we currently know, 2019-nCoV has moderate transmissibility and relatively low pathogenicity. There is no reason to foster panic with exaggerated language.


The WHO tweeted in January that the preliminary evidence showed that the Chinese authorities found no evidence of human to human transmission.

world Health Organization (WHO)
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Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China🇨🇳.

Mr Horton then tweeted the followimg:

And, when one examines the global response to 2019-nCoV, Chinese authorities have acted quickly and decisively to control the outbreak. They have shared information rapidly and transparently. Meanwhile, WHO has been impressive: clear and confident decisions and communication.


A egotistical hypocrite. You got to love them..

Where's the contradiction?  You can ask the media to step back from exaggerating and scaring people while also thinking there's a danger and we need to investigate.  The thing with science is, as more evidence comes to late you change your position, and that's what he did a week later.  You don't just stick to it and ignore new evidence.  Even our own government didn't do that.