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Offline BigFrank20

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #50 on: August 14, 2019, 09:54:52 AM »
Despite the small crowd the Smethwick was pretty full last night and they decided to only staff one of the two 'bars' down below, master stroke by the powers that be
Lots of 'strangers' around, sussing the Smeth out I guess, but also choosing not to sit in their allocated seats
I'm also getting more than bit inebriated off about the large numbers of numpties choosing to stand in the central isle towards the back of the Smeth. A definite safety hazard as people legitimately there with seats at the back try to move up and down the aisle, stewards studiously ignoring it of course 
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #51 on: August 14, 2019, 10:23:13 AM »
Disappointing to go out the cup, i always like a cup run and for some of these players they may not see much competitive game time until the FA cup in January.

Its still early days, and from the two home games we are very much a work in progress, i am sure Slav will be learning as he goes.

We are going to play plenty of teams who play like Millwall, especially at home, they are hard working, organised and who can nick a goal, they dont have the resources we do so they make the best of what they have got and do it very well.

At home we need to have a different approach, over two games we have been very predictable and other than the goals barely created a chance, that would be a concern, if your creating chances to miss then your half way there but as it stands we arent.

We play with wingers which is fine, we work the ball to them, but the problem is they are aiming for one man in the box (Zohore or Austin) we dont flood the box with players, so the ball in from the winger has has to be perfect because they are aiming for one man.

Away from home it works well because your often on the counter and attacking at speed, however from the last two home games and with Millwalls approach, by the time the ball gets to the winger they are all setup and just waiting to clear any crosses that come in.

I would look at playing a second striker and try and blitz teams, we have better attacking players than most teams in this league, lets exploit that. I do think we needed a Gayle type striker in the window, bit different to what we have, Austin is a goalscorer, he has that knack of been there, Zohore i think is going to be a target man and create for others, what we needed was the quick mobile striker, who gets defenders turning, whose movement creates spaces, especially when teams are camped in.

I dont know whether Burke could play that role, i have my doubts, and i dont know anything about Willock to whether he could but i imagine Slav will of picked up on the failings and rectifying them as we speak, its early days, its a lot of new players and i imagine he will know we need to play different at home.

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #52 on: August 14, 2019, 11:53:50 AM »
Last night,defending from dead ball is terrible,thats what cost us I don't think Slaven was bothered about this cup otherwise why leave Burke on for 90 mins he offers nothing his tactical awareness of the game is so poor,i and 10,000 others would have had him off at halftime even Kanu on the bench would have been better option.
All the new guys looked decent enough,but you can tip tap and have 90% possession and still lose off 2 set pieces,same as the Saturday game they played 10 behind the ball and played for set pieces.


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« Reply #53 on: August 14, 2019, 12:37:50 PM »
Pointless.

I haven't been to a cup game for many years and I won't until they take them seriously. I guess those days are long gone though.

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #54 on: August 14, 2019, 12:50:03 PM »
Good grief! Shall we sack Bilic already? Pulis is still available, it seems many of you might be more comfortable with him.

We've had a large turnover of players, a new manager, playing a new system, and they're all getting used to one another. There were lots of passes last night that were just too much or just too short, because they still aren't used to the way each other move. There were players making their debuts after less than a week at the club!

There were two things from last night that need to go; the zonal marking, and Oliver Burke. Aside from that, it's just a matter of time. We need to gel, and as long as we can keep in touch with the pack for 10-12 games, we can grow into the season.

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #55 on: August 14, 2019, 12:50:52 PM »
Thought we played well over all apart from in the final 3rd where it counts. Our defending from set pieces was also poor.

Dara O'Shea looked assured and was winning most of his challenges, looks a good back up option. Thought Furlong looked okay and poor in equal measure, be nice if he could learn to cross  rather than blasting it across the box, something to be worked on. Of the two I'd be playing Ferguson.
Townsend and Ajayi the pick of the defenders last night. Townsend seems to be learning from Gibbs as he attacked well.
Not his biggest fan but I thought Brunt had a decent game certainly in the 1st half, some good balls and kept us ticking over. Harper was anonymous first half. That was the sort of game I would have expected him to take by the scruff of the neck and be up and down in the middle but he wasn't , he was as much of a passenger as Burke. Sawyers did more in his cameo than Harper did in his 90+ mins.

The new players looked good and once they have bedded in we will have some really exciting attacking options from the bench.

Surprised that Zohore or even Robson Kanu weren't on the bench as we needed a proper striker once Austin has gone off.

Disappointing to lose but the signs of a decent side are there once the new players are up to speed.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #56 on: August 14, 2019, 01:19:33 PM »
I'm not going to get too concerned yet as we need to be patient and allow the players time to gel.

Having said that, despite our very pretty possession, it is disappointing that we did not trouble the Milwall goalkeeper in either of our two games against them. They are a relatively poor outlet who defend extremely well.

I thought we had an excellent opening half an hour - Austin, Diangana and Kyle Edwards showed good signs of forming a good and capable partnership.

I thought we looked a bit knackered in the second half and the ball kept coming back onto us. Burke as a forward is laughable, he has no presence and next to no ability.

Disappointed to lose but not remotely arsed about the cup competition.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #57 on: August 14, 2019, 04:51:54 PM »
Apologies in advance as I haven't read the whole thread but never mind lads (and passing lasses) we're still on for the double. Need to up the zip and tempo when moving forward in open play, switch on when defending set pieces and snap into tackles a bit quicker.

On a positive note I thought both full backs acquitted themselves quite well over the course of the game and O'Shea's play on the ground is quality. He's a good football player. If for whatever reason it doesn't work out for him at centre half I think he could go on to be a decent defensive midfielder.

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #58 on: August 15, 2019, 11:27:13 AM »
Just watched the goals back on Quest.

Anyone got any idea what Ajayi's goal was disallowed for? I couldn't see anything wrong with it.

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #59 on: August 15, 2019, 11:30:36 AM »
Just watched the goals back on Quest.

Anyone got any idea what Ajayi's goal was disallowed for? I couldn't see anything wrong with it.
I believe.... Zohore was in an off side position when he passed the ball.

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« Reply #60 on: August 15, 2019, 11:32:36 AM »
I believe.... Zohore was in an off side position when he passed the ball.


That was the Krovinovic goal in the league game. I'm talking about Ajayi's header from Brunt's corner in the cup game.

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« Reply #61 on: August 15, 2019, 11:36:00 AM »
I believe.... Zohore was in an off side position when he passed the ball.

Wrong game that was Saturday, Zohore didn't even play the other night.

As for the Cup game I was told O'Shea held somebody as the ball came across.

Didn't see it though and the goal looked fine from where I was sat in the Halfords.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #62 on: August 15, 2019, 11:37:03 AM »
Didn't the ball go out of play from the corner?
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #63 on: August 15, 2019, 11:39:47 AM »
Didn't the ball go out of play from the corner?


It must be that. I didn't see any contact between players at all.

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« Reply #64 on: August 15, 2019, 11:45:50 AM »
Didn't the ball go out of play from the corner?

someone told me that too outside after the game. Poor from Brunt if true.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #65 on: August 15, 2019, 12:31:12 PM »
Disappointed the fact that both their goals came from set pieces, and that we again did not create any real chances from pretty decent possession,also after all of the kerfuffle from Harper about signing a new contract the lad needs to get his act together because to be quite honest he is going backwards and his game time will be severely reduced unless he sorts himself out, on the plus side the new guys  perreira, and the west ham guy both looked pretty comfortable on the ball Austin did what Austin does, but we need to get more bodies in and around the box if we are going to get results especially at home, firing balls into the box is no good unless you have more than one body to get on the end of it.the only question  I have really what is the point of oliver burke we paid a lot of money for him as a youngster and he has produced absolutely nothing.

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« Reply #66 on: August 15, 2019, 12:46:09 PM »
Didn't the ball go out of play from the corner?

I thought this at the time, but then the goalkeeper took the resulting freekick from near the penalty spot so must've been given for a foul? I didn't see one at the time and nothing on the replay either.

The referee should have clarified why he gave the foul as it was a crucial moment in the game, unless I missed it and he did?
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« Reply #67 on: August 15, 2019, 12:55:27 PM »
Good job it weren't a league game I'd be really miffed.

As it was the Carabao Cup it's meh!

The more I watch it the more I struggle to see anything wrong with that "goal". The ball definitely doesn't looked to have gone out of play and if there was a foul I can't find it from the TV pics, maybe a slight pull as the ball is kicked (O'Shea) is my best guess. Looks bloody harsh regardless:


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« Reply #68 on: August 15, 2019, 01:11:31 PM »
Didn't the ball go out of play from the corner?
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« Reply #69 on: August 15, 2019, 01:24:19 PM »
To be honest, it took me about ten minutes to notice the goal was disallowed.

I was sat there thinking we was winning before the Mrs told me the scoreboard hadn't changed.

Had to look on Twitter to confirm.

Apparently there was a foul in the build up - although there was nobody within 5 yards of Ajayi !!

Made the stadium announcer look a right tit as he also announced that Ajayi had scored
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« Reply #70 on: August 15, 2019, 02:13:08 PM »
To be honest, it took me about ten minutes to notice the goal was disallowed.

I was sat there thinking we was winning before the Mrs told me the scoreboard hadn't changed.

Had to look on Twitter to confirm.

Apparently there was a foul in the build up - although there was nobody within 5 yards of Ajayi !!

Made the stadium announcer look a right tit as he also announced that Ajayi had scored

In fairness the scoreboard read 2-1 for a short while before changing back. Talking of the scoreboard Ferguson's name was spelt incorrectly when they flashed the subs up. Either that or he's changed his name to Furguson  :-X .
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« Reply #71 on: August 15, 2019, 02:19:31 PM »
To be honest, it took me about ten minutes to notice the goal was disallowed.

I was sat there thinking we was winning before the Mrs told me the scoreboard hadn't changed.

Had to look on Twitter to confirm.

Apparently there was a foul in the build up - although there was nobody within 5 yards of Ajayi !!

Made the stadium announcer look a right tit as he also announced that Ajayi had scored


Harsh.

No-one saw anything wrong with goal so perfectly logical to announce it.

He should've announced "goal disallowed due to baffling decision by referee ....... answers on a postcard". I'd rate him for that.  ;D
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« Reply #72 on: August 15, 2019, 05:02:26 PM »
There were comments on Twitter just after saying the ball had gone out of play, Matt Wilson in the E&S says it was down to Ajayi creating space for the goal illegally but i've just watched it 5 times and I still can't see anything wrong so will go down as one of lifes great mysterys  ???
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #73 on: August 15, 2019, 05:14:47 PM »
Where is VAR when you want it?

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« Reply #74 on: August 15, 2019, 06:20:46 PM »
Where is VAR when you want it?
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