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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2019, 10:38:45 PM »
Poor performance, strange subs. I don't think any of those that started with the obvious exceptions of Edwards, Austin and Ajayi did anything to force themselves into the starting XI, was so one paced much like most of last season.

We move on and get the league form right.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2019, 10:54:01 PM »
We're not gelling yet. Plenty of pretty passing and two touch football around the area but creating next to nothing and we have no-one that can cross a ball or shoot effectively from range. It's a little bit concerning but not majorly at this stage it's all going to take a little bit of time before everyone gets used to each other.

Defending from set pieces is as bad as I've ever seen it, that has to be a priority to put right.

Even I've given up on Oliver Burke after tonight. I keep waiting to see something but there's nothing there either up front or out wide.

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2019, 10:56:13 PM »
Ranked 13th for shots on target, just in the bottom half of the league. This is despite dominating possession. For those that are interested, or "expected goals" stats are also very poor so far.

Sums up how we have started life under Bilic.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2019, 11:01:33 PM »
Ranked 13th for shots on target, just in the bottom half of the league. This is despite dominating possession. For those that are interested, or "expected goals" stats are also very poor so far.

Sums up how we have started life under Bilic.
Sums up why some of us were so desparate to hold onto Gayle.  Still, I hope Austin can improve those stats a bit, but as Billic has said, it also needs the midfielders etc. to chip in with some goals.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2019, 11:03:52 PM »
We're not gelling yet. Plenty of pretty passing and two touch football around the area but creating next to nothing and we have no-one that can cross a ball or shoot effectively from range. It's a little bit concerning but not majorly at this stage it's all going to take a little bit of time before everyone gets used to each other.

Defending from set pieces is as bad as I've ever seen it, that has to be a priority to put right.

Even I've given up on Oliver Burke after tonight. I keep waiting to see something but there's nothing there either up front or out wide.

We have the best crosser of a ball at the club wondering around aimlessly in the centre but even then we have no-one in the middle to aim any crosses at. As for the shooting at times its criminal from professional footballers, even in the warm up its shocking
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2019, 11:04:03 PM »
Not the best game but I am far from downhearted. Diangana was lively, Austin showed moments of real quality and Edwards again impressed.

Millwall defended well and kept a good shape - fair play to them.

The real worry is our defending from set-pieces - all 3 goals conceded this week have been from set-pieces and this needs to be a focus in training. Hegazi is hugely missed.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2019, 11:05:03 PM »
We have the best crosser of a ball at the club wondering around aimlessly in the centre but even then we have no-one in the middle to aim any crosses at. As for the shooting at times its criminal from professional footballers, even in the warm up its shocking

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2019, 11:09:23 PM »
I’d be very surprised to see Brunt anywhere near centre mid this season

He should never have been near the centre from the start, one wonder ball last season is not enough from the number of times he's played there. His best asset is his crossing, he's wasted in the middle. He has to be either wide left or back up to Gibbs at left back which is where his best football has come in recent years.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #33 on: August 13, 2019, 11:09:55 PM »
Very worrying for me , no midfield enforcer,  pussycat tippy-tappy players recruited . Not what is required for this division. Very disappointed to see Field sent out on loan and Brunt still in there. Slaven why oh why are  Brunt and Burke, on that pitch for 90 minutes? Bond a superb double save, but culpable for both goals. Going to Luton and fearing the worse. Any team "up for it" will beat this lot.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #34 on: August 13, 2019, 11:22:52 PM »
We don't half have some pessimists on this board.

We haven't been able to play Slavens preferred strongest team yet for almost a whole game and when Burke is on the pitch it is like playing with 10 men unfortunately.

I think we might need to play two up top at home at times when we've got the opposition on the back foot but think our system will work perfectly fine away from home where there will be more gaps to exploit.

We beat Forest on their own patch who themselves went to Elland Road and got a hard fought point. Not many teams will do that. We've then played two games we completely dominated and took the lead in both only to give those leads away through poor set piece defending.

Remember Zohore missed from 6 yards in one of those games and Diangana missed a tap in today by failing to connect with the  ball.

Have to say some of the mistakes Bond made tonight flapping for the ball Johnstone would of been absolutely crucified for.

Thought Furlong was very good tonight and has am excellent delivery. Think he will end up first choice right back in front of Ferguson by the end of the year or with them at least sharing that    position.

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #35 on: August 13, 2019, 11:29:25 PM »
Sorry all
Could not care less

We have one aim this season, it is not the carabao tea pot
I’d like to add my two Penneth to what I see being stated on here and think the game time for the newbies was much more important than thevresult....besides there is probably more windows in tact than there was on Saturday?

Zohore, he didn’t cost 8m and whilst he hasn’t burst the net ...yet, we have
looked weaker in both games after he came off.
Against millwall, Bilic had to give the team that beat forest a chance, he also didn’t really have much of a bench ( he must take blame for that) because they said the new guys weren’t fully fit (they as pros must take blame for that)
It’s 1-1 not great but not the end of the world
Goals .... I keep reading that we don’t have fire power
Is there anyone on here that would actually be able to keep Austin/Diangana/Pereira/Phillips/Krovonavic/Edwards/Willock quiet?
That’s without Burke / Zohore and Hrk because people will just deride.....but all three can play football
We have cover everywhere, we have (or will have) a frightening amount of options from the bench, our squad is almost the Man City of the champ 😊
Bartley in a 2 works well and seems calm and confident this year, semi has settled, Ferguson is a great find, sawyers looks like he belongs etc etc...and hegazi to come back
If we are going to fail it will be between the sticks , I am NOT comparing to foster, I am NOT being unfair or making a scapegoat...quite simply our squad and fans deserve better ....please sign Vorm


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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #36 on: August 13, 2019, 11:29:34 PM »
Take Austin out of this squad and we have no goals in us at all... Only positive tonight is that captain of the reserves won't be seen much now just a liability
Kyle Edwards, harper, Phillips, all have goals in them, to name but a few.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #37 on: August 13, 2019, 11:42:54 PM »
Millwall had us sussed out by half time on Saturday and stuck to the same sort of game plan in the 135 minutes of football against us since. Fair play to them, they are extremely well organised but we should have enough brains and technical ability out there on the pitch to break down sides like that over that length of time. There will be plenty of sides in this division who will stick up a brick wall formation 30 yards from their goal and let us f**k about with it all afternoon and evening. We desperately need to be more incisive and at times much more direct. Furlong looked better at Right Back tonight than Ferguson did Saturday but he had the misfortune to have the clueless Burke up ahead of him every time he looked for an outlet. Burke just does not have a clue in any aspect of the game, he looks totally lost/disinterested or possibly both. I've never known a footballer so totally unaware of how to make runs, find space and look for the ball. Edwards seems more and more like a 45 minute man and that's your lot from him. I don't know whether that's down to fitness or if it's just the case of the opposition sussing him and shutting him out of games. Diangana looked lively for the first half hour before disappearing from the game, likewise Austin. Again, I hope that is just down to fitness. I wouldn't mind seeing us in a 4-4-2 from what I've seen in the first 3 games, that could help us in forcing the issue to be a bit more direct and getting the ball forward and out to the wide men earlier and more decisively. Both Austin and Zohore I think will be seen to better effect with an out and out strike partner alongside them.

On a side note, at least one Baggie had a good night....Abdulai Bell-Baggie scored for Weymouth away at Slough!

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #38 on: August 14, 2019, 12:28:08 AM »
Being unable to beat a limited but well organised Millwall team at home is not a good look. Yet I wouldn't read too much into it at this stage. We need more penetration but I think that will come as the team gels and the 3 players behind the striker start to move and interchange better.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #39 on: August 14, 2019, 05:51:11 AM »
Was in bed early as had an early start today but shocked at the score.

I’m not going to read to much into it right now though as this team and the new players are yet to gel fully.

New manager. New signings it takes time for that to come together and a few more games and training sessions will see this team come to life. Of that I’m sure.

Let’s not get in the doldrums already
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #40 on: August 14, 2019, 06:51:31 AM »
We look pretty at times but fail to do the basics with any conviction.
We need players with conviction in the box to convert the crosses into goals.
Playing Burke up front isn't the answer.
I hope we're looking for another striker to come in in January and pay what we have to if we have any ambition.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #41 on: August 14, 2019, 08:02:50 AM »
Anyone know the attendance tonight?


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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #42 on: August 14, 2019, 08:04:49 AM »
Millwall defended well, good shape, stubborn - some of the comments about them, and we will get a lot of that this season, the division is full of well paid decent professionals which is as it should be, and we need to be patient and get momentum going, if we really have the quality we should be able to win enough games.

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« Reply #43 on: August 14, 2019, 08:27:29 AM »
What annoys me is the hardest thing to do against a resolute but limited team is to get the opening goal.

Everyone is missing the point in that the Mentality is missing. You have got to be motivated to put teams away like Man City do.  Why oh why do we sit back at 1-0 when they are there for the taking.  This is about ruthlessness andwabting to win well.  Until this changes there will be problems.

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« Reply #44 on: August 14, 2019, 08:33:06 AM »
Millwall did a job on us and though we were pretty at times last night the 50/50 balls in the centre of the pitch they won. There set plays the delivery was better than ours and there players knew what they were doing whilst our players watched. Like I say pretty but no bite and no real control of the ball or a playmaker till Sawyers came on made his space and spraying the ball. Unfortunately at that point we did not have a CF on the pitch onwards to Luton

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #45 on: August 14, 2019, 08:38:21 AM »
I worry about the Luton game

I wrote elsewhere that the Millwall return match would demonstrate who out of Bilic and Harris reacted best to Saturday's draw.

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #46 on: August 14, 2019, 09:06:35 AM »
Good grief! Shall we sack Bilic already? Pulis is still available, it seems many of you might be more comfortable with him.

We've had a large turnover of players, a new manager, playing a new system, and they're all getting used to one another. There were lots of passes last night that were just too much or just too short, because they still aren't used to the way each other move. There were players making their debuts after less than a week at the club!

There were two things from last night that need to go; the zonal marking, and Oliver Burke. Aside from that, it's just a matter of time. We need to gel, and as long as we can keep in touch with the pack for 10-12 games, we can grow into the season.

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« Reply #47 on: August 14, 2019, 09:29:18 AM »
Some bloody great managers on here I’m amazed some are not managing Barcelona,PSG and Manchester United.
New manager and nine new players - I’m not sure what you expect but totally unrealistic for everything to click into place after 3 games - we are in one of the most difficult leagues in world football not playing Football manager on the PC.

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #48 on: August 14, 2019, 09:30:04 AM »
Didn't go last night and have seen none of the highlights, but the two results against Milwall are quite concerning. We need to find our cutting edge and quickly.

It is still very early days though chaps, calm down.

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« Reply #49 on: August 14, 2019, 09:43:47 AM »
I'm not concerned-for the first match there were a number of players who will become regulars but were not played because they were so new and for the second match there were 2 players playing who will never get near the strongest 1st team-Burke and Brunt. Brunt is too slow in thought and deed now and even his set piece delivery skills seem to have deserted him. I suspect SB gave Burke the full 90 mins to give him a chance but he didn't take it. In the first half he was a passenger and in the second half he saw more of the ball but did nothing productive with it. I was impressed with the new signings and I'm sure they will soon gel.