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Re: Louie Barry
« Reply #50 on: June 25, 2019, 09:08:23 PM »
the likes sawyers and roofs weren’t given game time because they weren’t anywhere near the level we were at when they were here, they went to league 1 and 2 clubs when they left now they’ve developed and we have stepped back they are at a similar level, neither would be first choice starters if they were still here now, both have developed a lot since leaving but we can’t hold on to players for years in they hope they might develop, Chris wood is another who wasnt good enough but has developed since leavingg . Leko has shown when he had played that he isn’t good enough, he couldnt get a game on loan at Bristol in the end, the only players that should have had and probably deserved more game time were Field and Harper and arguably Edwards last season
Pretty fair comment. We do need to step it up when it comes to giving younger players chances though. If they are deemed too important to the match squad to go out on loan then we need to start prioritising them getting on the pitch with us. If Field had played more over Livermore or Brunt last season would we really have been any worse off ? ....and he would have that much more Championship experience to take into this season.
Regarding the academy it's always going to be very difficult for us to keep the stars ...at the moment that seems to be Barry, Rogers and Soule, but we need to see the return from the rest to judge whether the academy is worthwhile. The return being playing 100 + games for us or being sold for decent sums.

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Re: Louie Barry
« Reply #51 on: June 26, 2019, 06:51:51 AM »
I think we need to let the academy lads who are not yet ready for the first team to go out on loan to League 1 & 2 sides and get the game time they so badly need to help their development.
I think we are too guilty of just hanging onto them without playing them in meaningful games
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Re: Louie Barry
« Reply #52 on: June 26, 2019, 07:51:44 AM »
I think we need to let the academy lads who are not yet ready for the first team to go out on loan to League 1 & 2 sides and get the game time they so badly need to help their development.
I think we are too guilty of just hanging onto them without playing them in meaningful games

In theory you are right, but in practice not feasible as our outstanding academy lads are only 15/16/17. They are still only children even if their football development is very advanced.

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« Reply #53 on: June 27, 2019, 04:37:55 PM »
Hopefully this will put him off joining the Barca youth

https://talksport.com/football/564794/barcelona-la-masia-academy-lionel-messi-pique-decline/


Barcelona’s world famous academy, La Masia, is in a serious state of decline, according to reports.
The academy has a rich history when it comes to bringing through talent and has produced some of the best players in history.

Messi is a famous product of the La Masia academy and is arguably the greatest player to ever play for the club’s first team, but where will the next Messi come from? It won’t be La Masia, according to recent reports
Names such as Lionel Messi, Xavi, Andres Iniesta, Carles Puyol, Gerard Pique, Sergio Busquets, Pedro and Victor Valdes have gone on to be huge successes for Barcelona.

However, in recent seasons, the club has failed to blood talent of that world class calibre, with perhaps Sergi Roberto being the last notable player to feature in the first team.
But his debut for the Catalan giants came in 2013 and that means it is six years since a a graduate of note has made the step up.

Ara journalist Xavi Torres has outlined reasons for the decline and has explained exactly why La Masia is ‘sick.’
Torres explains why Barca president Josep Maria Bartomeu’s ‘Masia 360’ strategy has been a spectacular failure, saying he put the wrong people in charge, which cost the club a lot of money.
It also highlights how many of the players in the academy are loanees and the coaches in charge, do not understand the Barcelona philosophy, while the food is said to fall below the lowest nutritional standards.
La Masia's demise

- Of the 48 football players who live in La Masia right now, most of them are loanees and reserves
- Rooms meant to accomodate the players have been turned into offices and there is no longer a gym and the swimming tracks are out of bounds
- An audio visual room where the players studied football matches and spent time together has also been converted into a room for staff
- La Masia does not meet the lowest nutrition standards required
- The coaches employed do not have an understanding of the club’s philosophy which is refered to the ‘Barca DNA’
- Tutors do not think tutoring the players is necessary, with many saying what the teacher wants to hear in order to leave the sessions early
- According to La Masia officials 40-50 cases (serious illnesses of family members, separation of parents, economic problems etc) happen every year

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Re: Louie Barry
« Reply #54 on: June 27, 2019, 04:46:56 PM »
Hopefully this will put him off joining the Barca youth

https://talksport.com/football/564794/barcelona-la-masia-academy-lionel-messi-pique-decline/


Barcelona’s world famous academy, La Masia, is in a serious state of decline, according to reports.


Just PSG to worry about now then, to be fair 90% of Paris looks like the back streets of Smethwick anyway!!
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Re: Louie Barry
« Reply #55 on: June 28, 2019, 10:50:43 AM »
Hopefully this will put him off joining the Barca youth

https://talksport.com/football/564794/barcelona-la-masia-academy-lionel-messi-pique-decline/




If all of this is accurate, then that is absolutely woeful - especially for a club like Barcelona!

With Barry, would he really be better off going to the likes of them at this stage? I reckon he'd be best served with us, at least then would he have a half decent chance of game time in the first team in a couple of years time. Besides, there's been a lot of players in the past with big potential who have gone to these big clubs only to fall away because they've not cut it. He's only got to look at Ryan Gauld; supposedly Scotland's answer to Messi who now can't get anywhere near the Sporting Lisbon side.

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« Reply #56 on: June 28, 2019, 12:08:31 PM »
The money he could earn at PSG over the length of his contract would set him up very well before he even hits 20, worse case he comes back over here and signs for a championship team, with his healthy bank account.
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« Reply #57 on: July 06, 2019, 09:29:28 AM »
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/07/05/england-youth-striker-louie-barry-rejects-contract-and-leaves-west-brom/

16 year old England wonderkid Louie Barry has rejected his three-year contract offer and left the Baggies after being in the academy since the age of 6.

Barry first rose to prominence last year when he scored 10 goals in five games for England Under-15s at a tournament in Italy. He also won the golden boot in November at the Val-de-Marne tournament which England Under-16s won.

This is clearly a massive kick in the knackers and makes me wonder why we bother to even continue to have an academy. I guess it must turn a modest profit from players sold because we sure can't keep anyone of decent quality in our team.

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« Reply #58 on: July 06, 2019, 09:42:04 AM »
You're right. It is a kick in the teeth. This has happened with Barry, Brown, Dhandra and others.

However. We're a community club. We have deep roots in the surrounding area. I would be very sad if we were to drop our interest in the academy for these reasons.  Sometimes (for me) it's not about the money, but about doing the right thing.

An observation I make frequently; what exactly have these poached players gone in to achieve? The only ones doing well are players that we decided to let go (Wood, Roofe, Roberts) after they hit a certain age

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« Reply #59 on: July 06, 2019, 09:45:44 AM »
On another thread @Standaman said that £235k covers the cost of the successful individual - but for every success there's bound to be more failures.  So if they go abroad the club's academy system makes a loss.  If the English FA does not recognise this, English football will be dependent on the academies of the 6 big clubs.
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Re: Louie Barry
« Reply #60 on: July 06, 2019, 09:48:57 AM »
You're right. It is a kick in the teeth. This has happened with Barry, Brown, Dhandra and others.

However. We're a community club. We have deep roots in the surrounding area. I would be very sad if we were to drop our interest in the academy for these reasons.  Sometimes (for me) it's not about the money, but about doing the right thing.

An observation I make frequently; what exactly have these poached players gone in to achieve? The only ones doing well are players that we decided to let go (Wood, Roofe, Roberts) after they hit a certain age

Good point with regards to the community aspect. I hadn't considered that due to my red mist descending!

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Re: Louie Barry
« Reply #61 on: July 06, 2019, 09:50:11 AM »
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/07/05/england-youth-striker-louie-barry-rejects-contract-and-leaves-west-brom/

16 year old England wonderkid Louie Barry has rejected his three-year contract offer and left the Baggies after being in the academy since the age of 6.

Barry first rose to prominence last year when he scored 10 goals in five games for England Under-15s at a tournament in Italy. He also won the golden boot in November at the Val-de-Marne tournament which England Under-16s won.

This is clearly a massive kick in the knackers and makes me wonder why we bother to even continue to have an academy. I guess it must turn a modest profit from players sold because we sure can't keep anyone of decent quality in our team.


Sam Field, Rekeem Harper, maybe Dara O'Shea this year, Morgan Rogers perhaps ......... this is why we have the academy.

The Louie Barry loss is disappointing but these things happen and Barry is at his age group one of the most promising talents in World football hence the interest from the likes of Barce, PSG etc.

He's only a baby though and still could go either way.

The academy is worth persevering with for sure, even if the odd cuckoo does fly the nest.

It's worth baring in mind the likes of Izzy Brown, Dhanda and the like haven't really gone on so I'd argue just how big a loss were they to us?


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Re: Louie Barry
« Reply #62 on: July 06, 2019, 09:52:01 AM »
What is so annoying to me is that the big rich clubs can offer a huge contract due to the pittance they have to pay for him, not so much to develop the lad but to stop their rivals getting hold of him, they are in such a win-win position. Wonder if Brexit may restrict this from happening in the future.

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Re: Louie Barry
« Reply #63 on: July 06, 2019, 10:53:11 AM »
As I posted earlier , yes its a big club , yes its a big wage by all accounts but this lad has had 10 years invested into him from the Albion and now he jumps ship with little in return.
It's not right , the whole system stinks .
 
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« Reply #64 on: July 06, 2019, 11:25:02 AM »
As others have said its the system not the kids fault.
Any of us at that age in all honesty would do exactly the same.
If it's true that he's been offered a five year deal elsewhere and we were only offering three then I think our negotiators should be looking at why we let the kid go.
Only time will tell if they were right or not.
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« Reply #65 on: July 06, 2019, 12:01:40 PM »
I'm sure I read somewhere players under eighteen can't sign professional contracts for longer than three years. If the offer of five years with PSG is correct then I'm clearly mistaken. Mind's playing tricks with me......  :-X .
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« Reply #66 on: July 06, 2019, 12:02:25 PM »
From a good source, I am told that our offer to him was poor, given the circumstances. It was a three year deal.
If what I am told is true, I am not surprised he has gone elsewhere and I do believe it is accurate.

I am fuming.

Is it a coincidence that Harrison left at the same time, as I would guess he would be incredibly frustrated with the lack of effort by the club. This bit is my speculation.
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« Reply #67 on: July 06, 2019, 12:11:12 PM »
Well if we were going to pay peanuts then I've no issue with the kid but if we offered a reasonable deal then he can jog on with his greedy parents.

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« Reply #68 on: July 06, 2019, 12:20:09 PM »
From a good source, I am told that our offer to him was poor, given the circumstances. It was a three year deal.
If what I am told is true, I am not surprised he has gone elsewhere and I do believe it is accurate.

I am fuming.

Is it a coincidence that Harrison left at the same time, as I would guess he would be incredibly frustrated with the lack of effort by the club. This bit is my speculation.
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« Reply #69 on: July 06, 2019, 12:30:07 PM »
From a good source, I am told that our offer to him was poor, given the circumstances. It was a three year deal.
If what I am told is true, I am not surprised he has gone elsewhere and I do believe it is accurate.

I am fuming.

Is it a coincidence that Harrison left at the same time, as I would guess he would be incredibly frustrated with the lack of effort by the club. This bit is my speculation.
any figures, because club believed that he would sign what was on offer.

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« Reply #70 on: July 06, 2019, 01:01:46 PM »
Well if we were going to pay peanuts then I've no issue with the kid but if we offered a reasonable deal then he can jog on with his greedy parents.

Nothing to do with greed mate just maximising the return on his talent.
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« Reply #71 on: July 06, 2019, 01:35:46 PM »
Nothing to do with greed mate just maximising the return on his talent.

Agreed. Anyone else in the same situation would be off like a shot. If it was my kid I'd be advising him to move. As someone else mentioned you are only 1 injury away from being finished. Make the most of it while you can.

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« Reply #72 on: July 06, 2019, 02:19:11 PM »
I don’t blame the kid at all, most players would jump at the opportunity to play for the clubs interested, the opportunity to play for some of the bigger clubs in the world, earning great money, the opportunity to live in the likes of Barcelona, Paris etc over Birmingham and Sandwell etc. The issue is with the system that allows the big overseas clubs to just cherry pick the best talent for basically nothing.
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« Reply #73 on: July 06, 2019, 02:24:39 PM »
any figures, because club believed that he would sign what was on offer.

I know the figures. Believe me, if it was my son, speaking even as an Albion fan, I would tell them to stick it.

For an England International, with top6 English clubs sniffing, plus top European clubs, the offer is just jaw dropping.

Compared to you and I, we would be happy over the 3 years, but for a footballer I am in disbelief.

Maybe it's me though - out of interest, what would people say is reasonable over 3 years?
« Last Edit: July 06, 2019, 02:26:37 PM by cads_ap_albion »
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« Reply #74 on: July 06, 2019, 02:36:14 PM »
His contract was out so he decided not to sign a new one. That is his choice. The club had a contract with him but it does not mean to say that they own him.