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« Reply #1550 on: August 21, 2020, 07:19:08 PM »
I’d disagree there are even plenty to punt on.

Look at last seasons championship top scorers
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/championship/top-scorers

Watkins - looks like we can’t afford him
Grabban - his ships sailed
Grant - Yes (should have been in two years ago)
Wells - another who’s time has gone / not good enough

Obviously not going to do them all, but you get into punt territory with Armstrong, Puscas and Woodrow, the last of which would probably at least represent good value if you can get him for a few mill. Not really an out and out striker.

Get in to league two and it’s even slimmer.

That’s hardly an abundance of strikers to even ‘punt’ on.
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« Reply #1551 on: August 21, 2020, 07:58:31 PM »
Two of the worst transfers in our history (Zohore and Burke) do not make Krovinovic a steel. Krovinovic did not make a position his own in one of the best sides in a lower division. The fact a Bilic is so set on him is a concern. If he insists we blow £8m of a limited budget on him it’s even more concerning.

Krovinovic on loan with an option to buy (or obligation only if he makes so many So  many appearances) is the only sensible way to secure him if they want more than £5m.

I don’t really understand all this love Krovinovic gets?! I found him underwhelming when he did play.

The £8million must go towards a better striker in the first instance before we look at revisiting inconsistent luxury squad players with little end product.

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« Reply #1552 on: August 21, 2020, 10:39:11 PM »
Krovinovic is a better footballer than Sawyers and Livermore. Brentford are after £25m for Watkins, is he x3 better than Krov?

What strikers do you propose signing for the £8m?  Villa paid £22m for Wesley and he's a bag of nails.  As far as I can see there is no one in the lower divisions that would make the step up.  We'll probably have to chance our arm on a kid from somewhere like the Swedish Premier League.

Krovinovic changed games last season from the bench.  Pointless getting a striker If he's no better than what we've got.

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« Reply #1553 on: August 21, 2020, 10:58:00 PM »
Krovinovic is a better footballer than Sawyers and Livermore. Brentford are after £25m for Watkins, is he x3 better than Krov?

What strikers do you propose signing for the £8m?  Villa paid £22m for Wesley and he's a bag of nails.  As far as I can see there is no one in the lower divisions that would make the step up.  We'll probably have to chance our arm on a kid from somewhere like the Swedish Premier League.

Krovinovic changed games last season from the bench.  Pointless getting a striker If he's no better than what we've got.

Krovinovic did not change that many games from the bench last season. Certainly not enough to warrant his signing on a permanent basis.

3 goals is all he scored for us last season, which is poor considering he made a lot of appearances and was deployed in attacking positions.

It is the sole responsibility of the club to identify, scout, and diligently sign the right players for our club. The goal scoring striker (or lack there of) is without a doubt the elephant in the boardroom. The club should have been working towards this alone before addressing other areas of weakness in the squad. At the end of the day, goals win you games and we are DESPERATE for decent firepower.

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« Reply #1554 on: August 21, 2020, 11:16:50 PM »
I think Krovinovic is a good player and I can recall games where I thought he came on and we were a better outfit.  He's got better control than Livermore, is able to turn quickly and keep the ball  and combines well with Pereira.  I think that the EPL will suit him better than the Championship.  We've not got much money but Flip is a known quantity and therefore worth spending on. 

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« Reply #1555 on: August 21, 2020, 11:29:39 PM »
Krovinovic is a very good player who had a bad injury and took time to get properly over it. He is a technical footballer who will be suited to the Premier League where most teams will back themselves rather than set up to stop the opposition.

He will be a big asset if we get him in.

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« Reply #1556 on: August 21, 2020, 11:43:39 PM »
Yeah i remember some people were saying that the top 4 teams press really hard and fast and the PL won't suit him which i agree for those games but for the other 15 teams i think he'd prosper more than in the EFL.

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« Reply #1557 on: August 22, 2020, 12:04:42 AM »
Krovinovic is a very good player who had a bad injury and took time to get properly over it. He is a technical footballer who will be suited to the Premier League where most teams will back themselves rather than set up to stop the opposition.

He will be a big asset if we get him in.

Psychology I don’t think Krovinovic is over his injury. His reluctance to commit himself physically in challenges last season was plain to see.

Another season-long loan with a commitment to buy if he makes enough appearances is the safest thing to go for next season with Krovinovic (IF Benfica go for that deal). The £8million needs to go towards a goal scorer.

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« Reply #1558 on: August 22, 2020, 07:01:17 AM »
I would definitely sign him. Let’s remember that at the moment he is not with us, so we are down to three midfielders really. There were times when I expected more of him last season but overall I think he is a really important addition.

Arguably two of his best games were against premier league opposition last year. Get him back in!

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« Reply #1559 on: August 22, 2020, 03:55:36 PM »

Interesting summary of Slav on Wikipedia - speaking several languages and a degree, he’s obviously a bright fellow:

“Along with his native Croatian, Bilić is fluent in German, Italian and English, while he also holds a degree in law. As a big fan of rock music, he plays rhythm guitar with his favoured red Gibson Explorer and is a member of Rawbau, a Croatian rock band. In 2008, the band recorded a song for Croatia's performance at Euro 2008 called "Vatreno ludilo" (Fiery Madness). Bilić has identified himself as a socialist, and has said, "If you know to share what you own, you live happily and with honor. I am a true socialist. I know I can't save the world on my own; but if there is a struggle against unjustness, I always prefer to be on the frontline, and that is my attitude toward life”

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« Reply #1560 on: August 22, 2020, 04:27:17 PM »
Interesting summary of Slav on Wikipedia - speaking several languages and a degree, he’s obviously a bright fellow:

“Along with his native Croatian, Bilić is fluent in German, Italian and English, while he also holds a degree in law. As a big fan of rock music, he plays rhythm guitar with his favoured red Gibson Explorer and is a member of Rawbau, a Croatian rock band. In 2008, the band recorded a song for Croatia's performance at Euro 2008 called "Vatreno ludilo" (Fiery Madness).

Even has a music video!  8)
https://youtu.be/F2Qzwtlyrb4
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« Reply #1561 on: August 23, 2020, 04:52:40 PM »
Open about his frustrations dealing with the people in charge,very sensible thing to do and he only spoke complete sense.

If we get annihilated week in week out which is looking likely, the boards passiveness could help ruin his managerial image.


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We must seize this opportunity. We must not become a club that will constantly balance between the Premier League and the Championship.

We need to invest a little so that we can get £100million every year. That's £500million over the next five years.

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« Reply #1562 on: August 23, 2020, 06:31:12 PM »
After a few sticky jobs Bilic's stock is higher again now , this would be his best time to leave and to be honest I can see it happening.
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« Reply #1563 on: August 23, 2020, 06:33:10 PM »
Yep, who could blame him.

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« Reply #1564 on: August 23, 2020, 06:42:46 PM »
Krov is right for this league and Krov is right for this squad.

That's it.
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« Reply #1565 on: August 23, 2020, 06:43:46 PM »
After a few sticky jobs Bilic's stock is higher again now , this would be his best time to leave and to be honest I can see it happening.

I don't think that's how Bilic works. He still sees he has a job to do.
I can see him going end of season though, sadly.
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« Reply #1566 on: August 23, 2020, 06:52:06 PM »
Krov is right for this league and Krov is right for this squad.

That's it.

On what evidence? 25 mediocre championship appearances and 5 good ones.

Which position will he cement as his own?

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« Reply #1567 on: August 23, 2020, 11:15:22 PM »
On what evidence? 25 mediocre championship appearances and 5 good ones.

Which position will he cement as his own?

One of his best games was away at West Ham. Premiership football should suit him better and he's had a season to bed in. He showed enough last year that we should be looking to keep him, particularly if we can arrange a loan to permanent deal.

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« Reply #1568 on: August 24, 2020, 05:55:03 AM »
After a few sticky jobs Bilic's stock is higher again now , this would be his best time to leave and to be honest I can see it happening.
Have to agree with you Dexy. This is my biggest concern.
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« Reply #1569 on: September 01, 2020, 10:54:29 AM »
Can't help but feel sorry for Slav. Leeds and Fulham making new additions. Seems like Dowling want's to wait until the final week, which I could understand if we only needed 1-2 players but we need at least 6-7. Still not convinced by Dowling I do think he gets over hyped way too much.
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« Reply #1570 on: September 01, 2020, 11:12:41 AM »
Can't help but feel sorry for Slav. Leeds and Fulham making new additions. Seems like Dowling want's to wait until the final week, which I could understand if we only needed 1-2 players but we need at least 6-7. Still not convinced by Dowling I do think he gets over hyped way too much.
we will only be able judge that at the end of the window, hopefully we won't be too far behind by then, and hopefully any incomings will arrive fit and ready to go.
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« Reply #1571 on: September 01, 2020, 11:19:30 AM »
That's a whole lot of hoping we need to do.

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« Reply #1572 on: September 01, 2020, 11:20:19 AM »
That's a whole lot of hoping we need to do.
Hope not !
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« Reply #1573 on: September 01, 2020, 11:29:21 AM »
 ;D ;D

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« Reply #1574 on: September 02, 2020, 01:02:03 PM »
Bilic must have instilled a cracking environment with the players under his watch. Pereira happy to sign, Krovinovic desperate to come back and now Grady seems interested to join permanently or bid wouldn't have been made. Got to say the man is trying to build something here  ;D