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« on: May 15, 2019, 12:33:12 AM »
9 months into it , was it harder than you imagined ?
Personally think theres 6 or 7 decent teams but the others are no push overs . Work rate from nearly all teams is huge , that has shocked me this time.
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« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2019, 12:38:56 AM »
9 months into it , was it harder than you imagined ?
Personally think theres 6 or 7 decent teams but the others are no push overs . Work rate from nearly all teams is huge , that has shocked me this time.


No, we were just very badly managed and run.
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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2019, 12:43:29 AM »
9 months into it , was it harder than you imagined ?
Personally think theres 6 or 7 decent teams but the others are no push overs . Work rate from nearly all teams is huge , that has shocked me this time.

We lost Harvey Barnes, his invention and pace was the difference between top 2 and 4th.

Always expected it to be hard, as it was when were promoted before.

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No change from the days when they didn't see jordao's "goal" against the millers.

Hopefully, we get some big money in from those who want out and those freed and we build wisely with great signings and loans.

Easier said than done, but we need to get someone proven in this division like Hughton and hope Dowling can do something to earn his corn.

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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2019, 12:44:51 AM »
Think we can only blame ourselves for the meal we made of the season. Clearly better than almost all other teams, with the lack of depth of squad, lack of experienced coaching, and some very poor defensive errors throughout the season (think I saw we were 21st in the league for clean sheets). Really should have ended up in the automatics.

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« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2019, 12:46:25 AM »
9 months into it , was it harder than you imagined ?
Personally think theres 6 or 7 decent teams but the others are no push overs . Work rate from nearly all teams is huge , that has shocked me this time.


Hasn't surprised me at all, it's one hell of a tough league. Outside of the Premier, the Spanish, German, French, Italian and Dutch top flights it's probably the best league in Europe and just the sheer number games takes it's toll.

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« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2019, 07:00:11 AM »
I think that given the self imposed issues (squad / management & coaching changes / the playing out with hoofers experiment / indiscipline ........) to have come so close to a) automatic promotion  b) almost making play off final just shows that the championship isn't THAT difficult. For god sake Vile and Sheff utd aren't that bloody good !

We could and should have been back in the premier league next season. Wether we would have been good enough for that is now a moot point however.

What we need now is a plan and a coherent strategy to implement the plan.
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« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2019, 08:59:21 AM »

No, we were just very badly managed and run.

Agreed. From the Bolton game, DM got subs and tactics wrong and it continued till he left. Jimmy did well with limited resources, but showed what could've been accomplished with the same set of players.

Our recruitment has also been a shambles. Who thought Murphy was a championship player?

Is it a tough league? Yes. Could a well run, organised team walk the league? Yes.

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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2019, 09:10:31 AM »
The standard generally has been pretty poor IMO. We ourselves have been mostly average all season yet finished 4th comfortably. The biggest mistake was appointing Moore as opposed to a more experienced coach.  This compounded by then sacking him without a plan. Despite some holes in the squad I still feel the right coach would have got us promoted automatically. The owner and board are clueless.

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« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2019, 09:27:45 AM »
The standard generally has been pretty poor IMO. We ourselves have been mostly average all season yet finished 4th comfortably. The biggest mistake was appointing Moore as opposed to a more experienced coach.  This compounded by then sacking him without a plan. Despite some holes in the squad I still feel the right coach would have got us promoted automatically. The owner and board are clueless.
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« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2019, 09:31:29 AM »
We have made huge mistakes in the running of the club.  Relied too much on loan players and older players.

When we were relegated I thought we would have took a few seasons to build a good young side to win this league.  if you are going to hold your own in the premier you need to get out of this league convincingly. Its no good just sneaking into the premier through the play offs because you get found out.

I would rather see us competing in matches every week in the championship rather than seeing the likes of Man City and Liverpool banging in 5 against you every other week.

So now lets take time and build a good proper team.

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« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2019, 09:36:29 AM »
The standard generally has been pretty poor IMO. We ourselves have been mostly average all season yet finished 4th comfortably. The biggest mistake was appointing Moore as opposed to a more experienced coach.  This compounded by then sacking him without a plan. Despite some holes in the squad I still feel the right coach would have got us promoted automatically. The owner and board are clueless.

We would have got automatic if we still had Harvey Barnes.  Our side at the start of the season when we were beating QPR 7-1, Bristol City 4-2, Leeds 4-1, Reading 4-1. winning away at Norwich, Sheff Utd and Villa, was easily the best team in the division.

I don't know how you can call that poor !!!!

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« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2019, 09:40:01 AM »
The standard generally has been pretty poor IMO. We ourselves have been mostly average all season yet finished 4th comfortably. The biggest mistake was appointing Moore as opposed to a more experienced coach.  This compounded by then sacking him without a plan. Despite some holes in the squad I still feel the right coach would have got us promoted automatically. The owner and board are clueless.

Agreed. It's easy to make assumptions but I firmly believe if we had gone for Dean Smith at the start of the season (the man many of us wanted) we would have finished top 2.
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« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2019, 09:42:30 AM »
Our best hope for next season will be to recruit some of the best young player on loan from the Premier League's elite clubs. Harvey Barnes and Tim Abraham are two prime examples of the type of players that could be available. After all, we are certainly not going to be splashing the cash on permanent signings.

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« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2019, 09:51:41 AM »
I think we fans, in general, have had too high expectations for a squad grossly overestimated in the quality department, aided and abetted by poor management on and off the pitch.

We have Premier League Fans, a just above average Championship squad and a National League South Board
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« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2019, 09:58:07 AM »
We have Premier League Fans, a just above average Championship squad and a National League South Board

Love that, bang on. The owner and board do not deserve us.
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« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2019, 09:59:59 AM »
As others have said, the blame for our failure to get promoted even with an imbalanced, ageing squad lies at the door of Jenkins primarily then Dowling in my view. Even after Moore left, there were enough games to go on a run and break into the top 2.

We had quality at the back and up front which in this division is usually enough 9 times out of 10.

Last time bought everything the three most criminal mistakes home to roost - lack of squad depth up front, an inexperienced head coach and a hole in midfield where most other teams have players who keep the ball and run with it!

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« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2019, 10:28:05 AM »
Pretty easy league, we strolled to 4th place with 2 head coaches I’m probably better than and without a central midfielder who can run. We beat Villa 3 times out of 4 and they have the best squad other than us. All you need is a decent young team and a good manager, the rest of the top 6 have proven that this season. Unfortunately we don’t sign young players and our board hate good managers, we’re stuck here for the foreseeable.

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« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2019, 10:37:48 AM »
Poor league which we should have strolled with a decent midfield and a coach who would take no crap from senior players. Under this owner who knows naff all about running a football club can see us struggle for next few seasons and wouldn't be surprised if 1st division awaits.

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« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2019, 10:41:30 AM »
Poor league which we should have strolled with a decent midfield and a coach who would take no crap from senior players. Under this owner who knows naff all about running a football club can see us struggle for next few seasons and wouldn't be surprised if 1st division awaits.
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« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2019, 10:41:46 AM »
Would be nice if we got a manager in now instead of Aug 14th and let him have, within reason, the squad he feels he needs to do the job, and then do get promoted in style next year. Similar to when we lifted the trophy at QPR.

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« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2019, 12:43:58 PM »
could be tougher next season,

Swansea - rebuild underway
Stoke - cash isnt an issue, just needs a decent manager
Hudd - decent squad for chumps
Cardiff - ditto, but will need Colin (spits) to hold them together
Fulham - my faves for a bounce back

2 of leeds / vile / derby, will be there or there abouts as will Brizzle, Sheff Weds, Forest
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« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2019, 01:13:46 PM »
This season was everything i expected it be, the rough and tumble, the funny results that happen. However there are a lot of very average teams in this league. I thought after winning at QPR in the manner that we did, we would go on and get the job done.

Stoke spent millions last summer got nowhere near the playoffs, Swansea will struggle as I see the likes of McBurnie on his way out. Are Cardiff a decent enough championship team or is it more down to Warnock who just knows what to do in that league.
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« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2019, 01:15:41 PM »
could be tougher next season,

Swansea - rebuild underway
Stoke - cash isnt an issue, just needs a decent manager
Hudd - decent squad for chumps
Cardiff - ditto, but will need Colin (spits) to hold them together
Fulham - my faves for a bounce back

2 of leeds / vile / derby, will be there or there abouts as will Brizzle, Sheff Weds, Forest
mid table finish me thinks, well we are a mid table chump team who won't over achieve with this owner.

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« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2019, 01:20:05 PM »
Think of all of the points we have lost due to p*****g around with it at the back.

I didn't think we'd get promoted this season for two reasons:-

1) I though Big Dave wasn't experienced enough to cope with the Championship and

2) I thought we would lose more players than we did.

With the right appointment at the start of the season and the players we kept and then added to we should have strolled this league.

The finger of blame should be well and truly pointed at the board for DM appointment but the appointment of Graeme Jones (presumably on the recommendation of Moore) was a disaster. 

Now a rebuild is on and we are really heading in to the unknown.
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« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2019, 01:26:10 PM »
Its a poor league and there is not much quality to it - a lot of industry and the rough and tumble expected within this division.

I think our squad wasn't shaped well in the summer - and the club have often relied on individual quality to see them through.

This squad is about consistency - and we have shown very little. I don't think we have helped by our attitude to be honest.

Also, this pratting about with the ball at the back - whilst admirable - was plain bloody stupid.

That January and February period where we repeated the same mistakes and has well and truly bitten us on the backside
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« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2019, 01:55:24 PM »
The difference in quality between the top of the championship & the bottom of the premier is immense. Without significant investment in genuine quality players, loads of luck & some fair referee's, each of the promoted sides will unfortunately struggle to survive next season.
The championship is a very tough league to get out of, but that's due to it having more teams & therefore games to play against reletively similar quality opposition each week. The old saying of anybody can beat anybody is true for a reason.
Its definitely all about consistency to get out of this league (or any other for that matter) The fact that we were pretty poor for most of the season (just re-read the match day/after match threads for proof) & still got this close to the final or even automatic promotion, tells you all you need to know about the quality of the league.

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« Reply #26 on: May 15, 2019, 02:43:21 PM »
The difference in quality between the top of the championship & the bottom of the premier is immense. Without significant investment in genuine quality players, loads of luck & some fair referee's, each of the promoted sides will unfortunately struggle to survive next season.
The championship is a very tough league to get out of, but that's due to it having more teams & therefore games to play against reletively similar quality opposition each week. The old saying of anybody can beat anybody is true for a reason.
Its definitely all about consistency to get out of this league (or any other for that matter) The fact that we were pretty poor for most of the season (just re-read the match day/after match threads for proof) & still got this close to the final or even automatic promotion, tells you all you need to know about the quality of the league.

We would have got automatic if we still had Harvey Barnes.  Our side at the start of the season when we were beating QPR 7-1, Bristol City 4-2, Leeds 4-1, Reading 4-1. winning away at Norwich, Sheff Utd and Villa, was easily the best team in the division.

So from battering teams at home, beating the two promoted teams at their place and also beating one of the play off finalists at their place, we are classed as a poor team.

Sometimes I wonder what some of you Albion fans expect.

I don't care what anyone says we are still the 4th best team in this league, the table never lies. If we had kept hold of Harvey Barnes we would probably be the best team.

Its about time Albion fans carry the spirit of last night onward and support the club and stop running them down.  Those players and the supporters that were there gave everything last night.  But the football gods were not on our side.

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« Reply #27 on: May 15, 2019, 02:54:20 PM »
We would have got automatic if we still had Harvey Barnes.  Our side at the start of the season when we were beating QPR 7-1, Bristol City 4-2, Leeds 4-1, Reading 4-1. winning away at Norwich, Sheff Utd and Villa, was easily the best team in the division.

So from battering teams at home, beating the two promoted teams at their place and also beating one of the play off finalists at their place, we are classed as a poor team.

Sometimes I wonder what some of you Albion fans expect.

I don't care what anyone says we are still the 4th best team in this league, the table never lies. If we had kept hold of Harvey Barnes we would probably be the best team.

Its about time Albion fans carry the spirit of last night onward and support the club and stop running them down.  Those players and the supporters that were there gave everything last night.  But the football gods were not on our side.

But we did't, we also failed to keep Phillips fit. Instead we replaced them with Murphy, Monetero neither of them a patch on who they were replacing and sacked Moore because he was not given the tools for the job. This season's failure rests with the board no one else.
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« Reply #28 on: May 15, 2019, 03:16:25 PM »
We would have got automatic if we still had Harvey Barnes.  Our side at the start of the season when we were beating QPR 7-1, Bristol City 4-2, Leeds 4-1, Reading 4-1. winning away at Norwich, Sheff Utd and Villa, was easily the best team in the division.

So from battering teams at home, beating the two promoted teams at their place and also beating one of the play off finalists at their place, we are classed as a poor team.

Sometimes I wonder what some of you Albion fans expect.

I don't care what anyone says we are still the 4th best team in this league, the table never lies. If we had kept hold of Harvey Barnes we would probably be the best team.

Its about time Albion fans carry the spirit of last night onward and support the club and stop running them down.  Those players and the supporters that were there gave everything last night.  But the football gods were not on our side.

We were still only 4th when Barnes left and had lost to Bolton, Boro, Hull, Derby, Blackburn and Wigan. Most of the wins you mention came with unconvincing performances. I think I read a stat the other day that said our record without Barnes was better than with. Great player granted.

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« Reply #29 on: May 15, 2019, 03:25:56 PM »
But we did't, we also failed to keep Phillips fit. Instead we replaced them with Murphy, Monetero neither of them a patch on who they were replacing and sacked Moore because he was not given the tools for the job. This season's failure rests with the board no one else.

So you were happy with DM and GJ insisting on us playing out from the back even when not safe to do so? That's the main reason we didn't finish in the top 2

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« Reply #30 on: May 15, 2019, 03:34:12 PM »
The amount of points we squandered by playing out from the back was ridiculous. For DM to come out and say it's part of the process was nuts. We stuck with DM for way too long, ultimately that cost us.

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« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2019, 03:48:09 PM »
We would have got automatic if we still had Harvey Barnes.  Our side at the start of the season when we were beating QPR 7-1, Bristol City 4-2, Leeds 4-1, Reading 4-1. winning away at Norwich, Sheff Utd and Villa, was easily the best team in the division.

So from battering teams at home, beating the two promoted teams at their place and also beating one of the play off finalists at their place, we are classed as a poor team.

Sometimes I wonder what some of you Albion fans expect.

I don't care what anyone says we are still the 4th best team in this league, the table never lies. If we had kept hold of Harvey Barnes we would probably be the best team.

Its about time Albion fans carry the spirit of last night onward and support the club and stop running them down.  Those players and the supporters that were there gave everything last night.  But the football gods were not on our side.

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« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2019, 03:53:20 PM »
We were still only 4th when Barnes left and had lost to Bolton, Boro, Hull, Derby, Blackburn and Wigan. Most of the wins you mention came with unconvincing performances. I think I read a stat the other day that said our record without Barnes was better than with. Great player granted.

Unbelievable.  I cannot understand where the albion fans thinking comes from.

Name me a side this season that has gone through the whole season not losing a match !!!!

Unconvincing performances but we were still the 2nd highest scorers in the division !!!

Harvey Barnes was the best player in the championship. 

Perhaps its this negative thinking from some of the fans, I do say some because not all think like that way, that has communicated to the players on the pitch.

I am sure if we were in Man City's position we would still have fans moaning, because that's the nature of the beast !!!

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« Reply #33 on: May 16, 2019, 10:31:39 AM »
Unbelievable.  I cannot understand where the albion fans thinking comes from.

Name me a side this season that has gone through the whole season not losing a match !!!!

Unconvincing performances but we were still the 2nd highest scorers in the division !!!

Harvey Barnes was the best player in the championship. 

Perhaps its this negative thinking from some of the fans, I do say some because not all think like that way, that has communicated to the players on the pitch.

I am sure if we were in Man City's position we would still have fans moaning, because that's the nature of the beast !!!

I'm not even sure he was the best player we had during his loan, for me that was Phillips before his injury.

A lot of people felt we would implode following Barnes' departure but I thought we would adapt and not miss his absence too much. The stats bear this out.

We had a 1.7 points per game average with Barnes and a 1.7 ppg average after he had left.

We scored 46 in 26 matches while Barnes was here and 33 in 20 after he had left. The average dropped only slightly following Barnes' departure but considering this also coincided with the injury to Phillips so I would say we managed very well without him.

What let us down all season was our poor defensive record. To keep so few clean sheets with the personnel that we had in the squad is downright criminal. The blame for this lies squarely with Moore and Jones and their decision to adopt the tactic of playing out from the back and their subsequent stubborn refusal to move away from this when it was obvious to everyone that it was often proving disastrous.

I would also add that Moore made an error by not giving game time to some of the younger players, especially in the early stages of the season. Harper and Field should have been given chances in the middle instead of Brunt and I would have liked to have seen Edwards and Tulloch given opportunities off the bench in the first half of the season.

Ultimately however the blame goes back to the board for appointing Moore in the first place when we should have moved for a more experienced manager. If they had done that then I'm convinced we would have finished in the top 2 this season.