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Extinction Rebellion in London
« on: April 15, 2019, 10:25:27 PM »
Peaceful protest apparently but they decide to cause criminal damage.

Why do these eco-type always look like they need a good wash?

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« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2019, 10:57:04 PM »
because that's nature duuuude lol.

I'm fed up of protests. When I worked at a school it was protest this protest that. For me it loses its impact when they happen too often. And protests that cause criminal damage or seriously put people out really bug me. Like the protests that have gone into airport runways and people's holidays get ruined. It's ok saying "well insurance covers it" but 1) it's ruined someones holiday and 2) when you claim off insurance your premium goes up, so who loses out... Man it bugs me haha.

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Re: Extinction Rebellion in London
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2019, 06:50:50 AM »
Scruffy fkers should be working not destroying property and making a mess.
You see these eco warriors all the time, faces stapled together with pins and studs, have you ever got near a couple? They stink to high heaven.
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Re: Extinction Rebellion in London
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2019, 09:04:46 AM »
Causing criminal damage then the authorities have to use chemicals to remove the graffiti, isn't that the very thing they are protesting about. :o
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Re: Extinction Rebellion in London
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2019, 12:55:32 PM »
Once we humans are extinct the planet will look after itself.

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« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2019, 01:14:05 PM »
Causing criminal damage then the authorities have to use chemicals to remove the graffiti, isn't that the very thing they are protesting about. :o

And blocking the roads will cause more emissions as cars move slower or not at all.

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« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2019, 01:34:21 PM »
because that's nature duuuude lol.

I'm fed up of protests. When I worked at a school it was protest this protest that. For me it loses its impact when they happen too often. And protests that cause criminal damage or seriously put people out really bug me. Like the protests that have gone into airport runways and people's holidays get ruined. It's ok saying "well insurance covers it" but 1) it's ruined someones holiday and 2) when you claim off insurance your premium goes up, so who loses out... Man it bugs me haha.

Fully agree with this, even holiday makers are just a subsection of people/services that need the airports to function. Organ transplant donations, people going to see family they only get the chance to once a year, businesses importing/exporting to name a few. Thousands and thousands of people use the airport for a whole host of reasons which are very, very important

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Re: Extinction Rebellion in London
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2019, 02:37:31 PM »
Pro-Brexit protesters could learn a thing or two from this lot. Just moaning on the internet is not going to stop the government from pretty much overturning the result of the referendum.

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Re: Extinction Rebellion in London
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2019, 05:39:39 PM »
Whilst I have an amount of sympathy with their aims they are proving themselves to be stupidly hypocritical , jumping on planes at a moments notice , plastics left all over open spaces etc are all things they have perpetrated yet profess to be against !!
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« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2019, 05:47:16 PM »
If they want to make a real difference to climate change, I suggest they target, let’s say China, where their record on the effect their booming industries are having on the environment and climate is appalling. But I wonder how long the Chinese authorities would put up with such demonstrations, weeks, days, hours, more like minutes!
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« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2019, 07:36:52 PM »
If they want to make a real difference to climate change, I suggest they target, let’s say China, where their record on the effect their booming industries are having on the environment and climate is appalling. But I wonder how long the Chinese authorities would put up with such demonstrations, weeks, days, hours, more like minutes!

We can't influence what the Chinese do but we can change the laws to dictate what can be imported. if enough countries do that they will adapt.

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« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2019, 08:27:10 PM »
We can't influence what the Chinese do but we can change the laws to dictate what can be imported. if enough countries do that they will adapt.

Good luck to them.

Britain has gone without burning coal for longer than at any time since the industrial revolution. We are reducing carbon emissions faster than any other big country.

The growth markets for the activists demonstrations are China and India, so as well as us passing laws, why don’t the climate activists spend their time educating the populations of these countries instead of, unfairly, affecting the lives of innocents and leaving an “eco-unfriendly” trail in their wake, which in my opinion is hypocritical, a do as we say, not as we do attitude.

This was the quote from Daze Aghaji, a spokesperson for Extinction Rebellion on Sky News earlier  “The only way we’ve realised the Government will listen to us is if we actually start to ruin the economy”. So, what actually is their agenda, it hardly appears to be ordinary people friendly, now does it?

And after 5 or 6 days of disruption to some of the less well off citizens of our society, I don’t think I’m alone in not understanding what the real specifics are of their agenda as it appears to be based on broad statements of wanting to effect change in the “World Climate” but how?

Their time would be better spent and have more impact by lobbying the UN before the 2019 Climate Change Summit later in the year in my opinion
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« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2019, 08:09:21 AM »
The suffragettes were alarmingly radical. It worked for them in the end though.

Don't like what they are doing at all - but I like what our governments are doing far less.

They are protesting against a culture that, if left in motion, will be the ruin of our race.
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« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2019, 08:38:20 AM »
The UK in not the problem, we’re not “ignoring” climate change. U.K. emissions in 2017 were 43% less than in 1990, achieved in a remarkable timescale really given the costs and implications.

It is China, India, Russia et al, where the real impact lies. In China they are opening one new coal fired power station a week, that’s the issue. You get bigger wins if you tackle the areas that have the most significant impact, not areas that are at the margins, like the UK relatively speaking.
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« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2019, 09:11:59 AM »
The UK in not the problem, we’re not “ignoring” climate change. U.K. emissions in 2017 were 43% less than in 1990, achieved in a remarkable timescale really given the costs and implications.

It is China, India, Russia et al, where the real impact lies. In China they are opening one new coal fired power station a week, that’s the issue. You get bigger wins if you tackle the areas that have the most significant impact, not areas that are at the margins, like the UK relatively speaking.
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 a decade ago (2008) Britain was the 9th largest emitter of CO2 in the world with 1.8% total global value. By 2015 (the most recent I can find) Britain had fallen to 15th with 1% falling behind the likes of Japan, Iran, Mexico, Brazil and Indonesia. It is the developing world that needs support to reduce their emissions as more and more manufacturing jobs will travel there for cheap labour along with current manufacturing houses like USA, China, Russia and Japan.

In terms of ocean plastics, 90% comes from 10 rivers, 8 of which are in Asia.

Britain is small fry with a (comparatively) strong desire to change and reduce it’s footprint. if they truly want change they’ll have to sway the poor of Asia to change their lives and potentially lose their jobs for climate change.

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« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2019, 03:41:26 PM »
The UK in not the problem, we’re not “ignoring” climate change. U.K. emissions in 2017 were 43% less than in 1990, achieved in a remarkable timescale really given the costs and implications.

It is China, India, Russia et al, where the real impact lies. In China they are opening one new coal fired power station a week, that’s the issue. You get bigger wins if you tackle the areas that have the most significant impact, not areas that are at the margins, like the UK relatively speaking.

Not any more, china is shifting massively to nuclear power and every cab / bus (a hell of a lot) is electric now.
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« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2019, 04:27:20 PM »
Not any more, china is shifting massively to nuclear power and every cab / bus (a hell of a lot) is electric now.

This article is worth reading, if there were an doubt

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-45640706
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« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2019, 05:03:06 PM »
Not any more, china is shifting massively to nuclear power and every cab / bus (a hell of a lot) is electric now.
from what I can tell that only covers 20 cities in the country, there are 662 cities in total with over 120 with 1million people or more (for comparison, Britain has 2 cities with over 1 million excluding metro areas, London and Birmingham).

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« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2019, 05:49:23 PM »
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« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2019, 06:13:25 PM »
This article is worth reading, if there were an doubt

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-45640706

Perhaps I have read the wrong propaganda then 🤢
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Re: Extinction Rebellion in London
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2019, 10:01:01 PM »
The whole "but what about China" argument seems sensible, but I'd like to offer some counter points.

First, just because pollution is worse somewhere else, doesn't mean we can't try to do better here in the UK. In much the same way that just because there are serial killers, doesn't mean I can get away with just the one murder.

Related to this, we know pollution is bad, so just because it's worse elsewhere, doesn't absolve us from a responsibility to try and lead the way, and put pressure on other countries to clean up their act.

Second, the effects of UK pollution are tangible and apparent. They can be localised, for example London air pollution creates a noticeable haze and I can only speak for myself, but I notice the air is considerably worse in the city.

Third, China produces a lot of goods, which we then buy. Whether it's consumer goods or manufacturing, we buy the stuff that they produce, so we are partly culpable.

Finally, roughly per capita, our emissions are similar to China's. Not the exact same, but China has many more people, so it would be expected to have higher emissions.

I'm not saying China couldn't do more - the pollution of its rivers is obscene. I'm just saying that China doesn't absolve us of trying to improve ourselves
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Re: Extinction Rebellion in London
« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2019, 08:59:55 AM »
The same old story, a good cause is ruined by an idiotic few and then everyone gets tarred wit the same brush.
All these people have achieved is to make everyone else believe that anyone who wants a greener healthier planet for our children, are a bunch of raving lunatics.

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« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2019, 03:45:06 PM »
The whole "but what about China" argument seems sensible, but I'd like to offer some counter points.

I think you understate your argument by using just one example i.e. China, a country which is by no means the worsts offender. But I understand the point you make and I will respond in general terms but using China as the example with the odd other country thrown in for good measure.

First, just because pollution is worse somewhere else, doesn't mean we can't try to do better here in the UK. In much the same way that just because there are serial killers, doesn't mean I can get away with just the one murder.

We do and we are trying to do better.

To use your analogy of serial killers, more resources would be diverted into the hunt for a serial killer than would be for a single murder hunt and that is how it should be in both scenarios. We need balance, quantitive and qualitative information that is required for good decision making, but that doesn’t always get disseminated and as a result mixed and confused messages are delivered as there is no real consensus on Global Warming.


Related to this, we know pollution is bad, so just because it's worse elsewhere, doesn't absolve us from a responsibility to try and lead the way, and put pressure on other countries to clean up their act.

True, but I think you are repeating yourself, again the point is valid and well made, but whilst the UK does make representation regarding Global Warming by setting a personal example and championing the cause at Summit meetings on Global Warming, there is little else we can do and who do you think the likes of China, India, Russia, America et al are more likely to listen to or take note of, the UN or the UK? We are a member Country of the UN Council along side many other influential countries anyway.


Second, the effects of UK pollution are tangible and apparent. They can be localised, for example London air pollution creates a noticeable haze and I can only speak for myself, but I notice the air is considerably worse in the city.

Again a substantive point you raise, which is being addressed in many ways, none least by manufacturing and introducing all electric cars by 2030. Additionally, the Mayor of London, for instance, has recently introducing Ultra Low Emission Zones and has commissioned studies on the health of children in near by schools so that irrefutable evidence can be obtained on the effects on health of toxic emissions.

Third, China produces a lot of goods, which we then buy. Whether it's consumer goods or manufacturing, we buy the stuff that they produce, so we are partly culpable.

I think you are viewing this with a single myopic lens, albeit a not unimportant perspective. However, there are many factors to be taken into consideration, for instance, we are also helping China to develop into a more Capitalist economy. This will allow, the UN for instance, to lever influence on many Chinese issue, none least civil rights, and so that they become a more free, diverse and equitable society, these are as immediately important in China as global warming in my view.

Finally, roughly per capita, our emissions are similar to China's. Not the exact same, but China has many more people, so it would be expected to have higher emissions.

That stat, like all stats can mislead, for however you care to dress it up China pours out more emissions into the atmosphere than the UK and a lot more, period. It should also be acknowledged that the use of carbon fuels in the UK, is easier to estimate than in countries like China where local populations excavate their own coal and gas and burn wood that is impossible to make allowance for in calculations. And does China really know the full extent of its own population? Well, I for one would have to question that.

I'm not saying China couldn't do more - the pollution of its rivers is obscene. I'm just saying that China doesn't absolve us of trying to improve ourselves

China isn’t alone, there are many other growing economies through out the world and if you were to combine all there emissions per capita, ours would be negligible in comparison, but as you say that shouldn’t prevent us from doing what is right and it doesn’t.

I’ve tried to balance the equation and probably haven’t succeeded as I’m no expert in global warming. I’ve also tried to offer a perspective that the UK is a leading contributor in the reduction of emissions, it might not be enough or quick enough for some, but that shouldn’t legitimise trying to diminish our efforts. Also as individuals we need to take responsibility and be more aware and conscious of ways in which we can effect our micro-environment more positively than negatively. Who amongst us, on a personal basis, can say their carbon footprint is 100% eco-friendly, I’ll be honest and admit I can’t and don’t and not because I don’t want too.

Yes as a nation we need to do more without doubt, there is no end game to our efforts in this conflict, it is perpetual. But we can’t keep sitting back and expecting the UK government to do it all for us and other Nations. Protesting is fine, but I do question how some protests are undertaken and presented to the public to get them onside. The protesters need to have a real, a tangible and coherent messages and strategies that they can communicate that will resonate with all levels of our society. Blocking London streets for the time they did raised publicity to their cause, but did it raise awareness? I don’t know, but they could have recruited 1,000’s, maybe millions to their cause, instead of alienating people as they clearly did in some instances if social media is to be believed.

In the final analysis, the root of the problem is the size of the worlds population, there are too many of us, everyone of us is a consumer with demands. So, currently, with the science, technology and resources that we have, we cannot sustain our planet as its inhabitants would want. I’m not certain that we will ever not be in crisis to some degree or another with this issue. However, if it gets really, really serious, then governments would have to limit a couple to one child, cutting down on consumers and their demand will balance the equation in my view.
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« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2019, 09:32:36 AM »
I’ve tried to balance the equation and probably haven’t succeeded as I’m no expert in global warming. I’ve also tried to offer a perspective that the UK is a leading contributor in the reduction of emissions, it might not be enough or quick enough for some, but that shouldn’t legitimise trying to diminish our efforts. Also as individuals we need to take responsibility and be more aware and conscious of ways in which we can effect our micro-environment more positively than negatively. Who amongst us, on a personal basis, can say their carbon footprint is 100% eco-friendly, I’ll be honest and admit I can’t and don’t and not because I don’t want too.

Yes as a nation we need to do more without doubt, there is no end game to our efforts in this conflict, it is perpetual. But we can’t keep sitting back and expecting the UK government to do it all for us and other Nations. Protesting is fine, but I do question how some protests are undertaken and presented to the public to get them onside. The protesters need to have a real, a tangible and coherent messages and strategies that they can communicate that will resonate with all levels of our society. Blocking London streets for the time they did raised publicity to their cause, but did it raise awareness? I don’t know, but they could have recruited 1,000’s, maybe millions to their cause, instead of alienating people as they clearly did in some instances if social media is to be believed.

In the final analysis, the root of the problem is the size of the worlds population, there are too many of us, everyone of us is a consumer with demands. So, currently, with the science, technology and resources that we have, we cannot sustain our planet as its inhabitants would want. I’m not certain that we will ever not be in crisis to some degree or another with this issue. However, if it gets really, really serious, then governments would have to limit a couple to one child, cutting down on consumers and their demand will balance the equation in my view.
I've thought for years that it is over population that is the real problem, a strange alliance of right wing religious fundamentalist ideas about more babies for God/Allah whoever, and left wing ideas that equate any mention of overpopulation with calling for gas chambers means its never really discussed properly. 

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« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2019, 09:38:54 AM »
The climate change committee will release a report to recommend ditching the decade-old target to reduce the UK’s greenhouse gas emissions by at least 80 per cent by 2050. It wants to replace it with a significantly more stretching one.

There new target is to reduce emissions by 100% in 2050
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« Reply #25 on: April 27, 2019, 03:38:06 PM »
The Green Party, “Stop Capitalism! Economic growth is bad! Stop people getting richer it's hurting the planet!”

Well, it’s a point of view I suppose
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« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2019, 09:36:46 AM »
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn will this week try to force a vote in Parliament to declare a "national climate emergency". The story comes after more than a week of demonstrations by Extinction Rebellion - the activist group calling for a drastic reduction in carbon emissions.

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« Reply #27 on: April 28, 2019, 10:40:54 AM »
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn will this week try to force a vote in Parliament to declare a "national climate emergency". The story comes after more than a week of demonstrations by Extinction Rebellion - the activist group calling for a drastic reduction in carbon emissions.

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« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2019, 05:35:54 PM »
The suffragettes were alarmingly radical. It worked for them in the end though.

Don't like what they are doing at all - but I like what our governments are doing far less.

They are protesting against a culture that, if left in motion, will be the ruin of our race.

Well not really it was the First World War, and 1918 was when universal sufferage for men ended
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« Reply #29 on: May 02, 2019, 09:56:35 PM »
“Deluded eco-warriors want us to scrap our cars, make our homes colder, halve our meat intake and stop flying on holiday. But THE biggest problem facing this planet is over-population by humans. On our own tiny island we are heading towards 70 million. It's unsustainable.”

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« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2019, 07:38:46 AM »
“Deluded eco-warriors want us to scrap our cars, make our homes colder, halve our meat intake and stop flying on holiday. But THE biggest problem facing this planet is over-population by humans. On our own tiny island we are heading towards 70 million. It's unsustainable.”

Thoughts?

One child policy in China failed as their are not enough people to contribute to the economy and pay for pensions, they now have a 2 child policy. Poor people in India or China (2 billion people?) don't fly, don't own cars don't have heating in homes and don't eat much meat.

There is 1 billion cars in the world and 7.5 billion people.

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« Reply #31 on: May 03, 2019, 08:09:19 AM »
“Deluded eco-warriors want us to scrap our cars, make our homes colder, halve our meat intake and stop flying on holiday. But THE biggest problem facing this planet is over-population by humans. On our own tiny island we are heading towards 70 million. It's unsustainable.”

Thoughts?
One Thought - are they really deluded ? (and there are many different degrees of eco-warriors). If we hadn't already made some changes we'd still be sending everything to landfill with no recycling. We'd probably still be driving around with leaded petrol. We'd still have the heaviest polluting cars, lorries, buses on the roads and no check on emissions in the MOT. Many other small steps have been taken.

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« Reply #32 on: May 03, 2019, 08:45:45 AM »
Baby boomer cull?
I have long thought that the basic premise behind Logans Run (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan%27s_Run) could very well one day become a real neccessity to consider enforcing
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« Reply #33 on: May 03, 2019, 03:32:07 PM »
I have long thought that the basic premise behind Logans Run (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan%27s_Run) could very well one day become a real neccessity to consider enforcing
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« Reply #34 on: May 03, 2019, 05:31:49 PM »
I hope they used a bike or walked to London.

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« Reply #35 on: May 03, 2019, 06:10:35 PM »
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« Reply #36 on: May 03, 2019, 06:20:18 PM »
I have long thought that the basic premise behind Logans Run (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan%27s_Run) could very well one day become a real neccessity to consider enforcing

This would decimate our support base.

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« Reply #37 on: May 04, 2019, 08:04:51 AM »
“Deluded eco-warriors want us to scrap our cars, make our homes colder, halve our meat intake and stop flying on holiday. But THE biggest problem facing this planet is over-population by humans. On our own tiny island we are heading towards 70 million. It's unsustainable.”

Thoughts?
its not necessarily one OR the other, reducing the population and trying not to destroy the plant in the meantime might BOTH be good ideas

the best way to curb population growth is the education of women

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« Reply #38 on: May 04, 2019, 08:47:05 AM »
its not necessarily one OR the other, reducing the population and trying not to destroy the plant in the meantime might BOTH be good ideas

the best way to curb population growth is the education of women

On the face of it and without qualification, that’s a very brave and bold statement
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« Reply #39 on: May 04, 2019, 09:44:02 AM »
On the face of it and without qualification, that’s a very brave and bold statement
It's based on statistical evidence across the world as countries develop, women generally get more and more and more access to full education as development happens, then they on average have fewer children, probably partly due to knowing how birth control works but mainly because they want to have a working life/career of their own

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« Reply #40 on: May 08, 2019, 09:11:27 PM »
Climate crisis: Germany, Italy and Poland reject call for net zero emissions by 2050, leaked paper indicates

Who would believe it?

Source: https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change-environment-eu-brexit-germany-italy-poland-net-zero-emissions-leak-a8904541.html
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« Reply #41 on: May 22, 2019, 06:22:42 PM »
Fact:

In the past two years China has produced more steel than Britain has in its ENTIRE HISTORY, since modern steelmaking was invented in the industrial revolution

That’s an awful lot of emissions
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« Reply #42 on: May 22, 2019, 09:08:59 PM »
GB National Grid: Coal is currently generating 0.00GW (0.00%) out of a total of 34.33GW. Continuous hours without coal: 124

Good job boys and girls!
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« Reply #43 on: May 22, 2019, 10:55:57 PM »
It's based on statistical evidence across the world as countries develop, women generally get more and more and more access to full education as development happens, then they on average have fewer children, probably partly due to knowing how birth control works but mainly because they want to have a working life/career of their own
I’m not so sure that education about birth control makes much difference in lesser developed countries. It’s well recorded that countries with a strong economy tend to have fewer children than struggling countries. I would guess that developed economies allow parents pension schemes to invest in for cover retirement. If no similar system is available, the only way to survive in older age, is a reliance on financial help from the kids. The more kids, the less financial burden per child. That’s certainly what I witnessed in my time in Africa.
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« Reply #44 on: May 23, 2019, 06:58:01 AM »
Atmospheric observations pinpoint eastern China as the source of a rise in ozone-destroying chemicals.

Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-48353341?ocid=global_bbccom_email_22052019_top+news+stories
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« Reply #45 on: May 24, 2019, 02:55:16 PM »
"The UK is a world leader in the renewables sector and clean energy production and has reduced emissions faster than any other G7 country."
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« Reply #46 on: May 24, 2019, 03:49:59 PM »
Who are you talking to?

Or do you just like talking to yourself??
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« Reply #47 on: May 24, 2019, 04:09:54 PM »
Who are you talking to?

Or do you just like talking to yourself??

I'm not sure I understand what you mean. This is an open thread in a forum where members can post isn't it, am I transgressing any forum rules? Or are you pulling my leg  :D
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« Reply #48 on: May 24, 2019, 06:00:29 PM »
Who are you talking to?

Or do you just like talking to yourself??
I was listening to him. I had no answer, but I listened. Or read, actually. I do hope that’s makes things a bit clearer.
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« Reply #49 on: May 24, 2019, 06:09:43 PM »
I was listening to him. I had no answer, but I listened. Or read, actually. I do hope that’s makes things a bit clearer.

Thank you for your support.

I take an interest in climate change and what we, as a nation, are are doing to contribute and combat it, but it's not just down to us, there are bigger players that need to take responsibility.

It's pointless Extinction Rebellion disrupting our daily lives, we are trying, and trying with commitment to contribute to saving our planet, they need to focus on the likes of China, India et al.
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« Reply #50 on: May 24, 2019, 10:02:39 PM »
Extinction Rebellion: Met want 1,130 climate protesters charged

And so they should

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« Reply #51 on: May 31, 2019, 12:55:45 PM »
"Extinction Rebellion has threatened to shut down Heathrow Airport for 10 days using drones if the Government does not cancel a planned expansion"

Apparently they want to hold the country to ransom to get there own way
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« Reply #52 on: May 31, 2019, 01:38:18 PM »
"Extinction Rebellion has threatened to shut down Heathrow Airport for 10 days using drones if the Government does not cancel a planned expansion"

Apparently they want to hold the country to ransom to get there own way
They know it is illegal. If they get arrested and charged they only have themselves to blame, but it is up to them.

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« Reply #53 on: June 03, 2019, 03:01:00 PM »
Climate news update

Rory Stewart pledged to double foreign aid spending on climate change over the next five years, up from £1.1 billion per year.

It appears we continue to do our bit to save the planet
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« Reply #54 on: June 12, 2019, 12:45:32 PM »
Theresa May introduces legally-binding 'net zero' emissions target despite warnings it will cost £1trillion' |

That’s an awful lot of dosh!
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« Reply #55 on: June 12, 2019, 10:05:46 PM »
Theresa May introduces legally-binding 'net zero' emissions target despite warnings it will cost £1trillion' |

That’s an awful lot of dosh!

More dosh from the poor, the sick and disabled me thinks.  >:(
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« Reply #56 on: June 13, 2019, 05:04:09 PM »
So the planet is being damaged and we are told to eat less meat/dairy walk or use a bike to get about  , lol. I notice the key thing none of these protesters mention is how about we stop producing on the current level, overpopulation by mankind will eventually kill the planet or get to a point where we can't live off the planet.
My turning into a vegan or even everyone in the UK will not help when countries with far bigger populations continue to become weternised such as India.

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« Reply #57 on: June 13, 2019, 05:54:10 PM »
According to an article in the Guardian newspaper this morning, it is predicted that most of the meat people will eat in 2040 will not be from slaughtered animals. It goes on to state that 60% of meat will be grown in vats or by plant based products that will look and taste like meat.

The drivers behind the “new meat” are environmentally and animal welfare concerns. The article is based on a report by AT Kearny and no it’s not 1st April before anyone asks.

So, we will be eating vegan meat, how does that work?
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« Reply #58 on: June 13, 2019, 07:10:12 PM »
According to an article in the Guardian newspaper this morning, it is predicted that most of the meat people will eat in 2040 will not be from slaughtered animals. It goes on to state that 60% of meat will be grown in vats or by plant based products that will look and taste like meat.

The drivers behind the “new meat” are environmentally and animal welfare concerns. The article is based on a report by AT Kearny and no it’s not 1st April before anyone asks.

So, we will be eating vegan meat, how does that work?


We'll go and buy it in our flying cars as well? Absolute nonsense imo.
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« Reply #59 on: June 13, 2019, 07:33:04 PM »
More dosh from the poor, the sick and disabled me thinks.  >:(

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« Reply #60 on: June 13, 2019, 08:06:02 PM »
About time. I am an old codger, and felt/feel this is stupid.
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