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www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/03/12/chris-brunt-admits-underperforming-west-brom-struggled-with-darren-moores-tactics/.
Whilst I never wanted Darren as manager, and fully expected the sad outcome of his appointment, I really am getting fed up of these responses from our players, time after time.
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Re: Chris Brunt admits West Brom struggled with Darren Moore's tactics
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2019, 05:49:17 AM »
How many times are we going to hear this about different managers?
Vetting managers surely includes their playing style and tactics. Apparently we are falling short on this basic requirement of how they coach a team.

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Re: Chris Brunt admits West Brom struggled with Darren Moore's tactics
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2019, 05:53:32 AM »
Don’t know how to feel about that article. I agree with much of what he says, but for some reason it leaves a bit of a sour taste.

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Re: Chris Brunt admits West Brom struggled with Darren Moore's tactics
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2019, 06:04:18 AM »
Honest response, saying what we all knew all along. Just that the Moore lovers didn't accept it and wanted to give him more time.
A manager with no experience given the job in a pivotal season.
I still can't get my head around that one.

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« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2019, 06:38:10 AM »
How many times are we going to hear this about different managers?
Vetting managers surely includes their playing style and tactics. Apparently we are falling short on this basic requirement of how they coach a team.

Most of it is because most this squad only feel comfortable playing one way - sitting extremely deep and hoping to nick one off a set piece. And they couldn't even do that by the end of Pulis' reign.

The squad has needed an overhaul for ages, it was molded in Pulis' style and too many of our players are incapable of playing anything else.

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Re: Chris Brunt admits West Brom struggled with Darren Moore's tactics
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2019, 06:49:03 AM »
Not sure what the outrage is, Brunty is giving an honest account of what was going on in the dressing room.
He's just confirmed what we all knew, the players are not good enough to play the system that Moore was trying to get them to play.
23,000 people in the stadium could see it so why on earth couldn't Moore and his oppo?
Ultimately his stubbornness has cost him his job.
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Re: Chris Brunt admits West Brom struggled with Darren Moore's tactics
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2019, 06:54:19 AM »
According to reports which include direct quotes from the players.

They couldn't work with Mel's high press
Lost their way under Irvine
Got bored of the drudgery of Pulisball
Lost their discipline under Pardew
Weren't comfortable playing out from the back for Moore,

You have to ask the question what will they be comfortable doing for the multi million pound contracts?

That is just pathetic from Brunt.

 
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Re: Chris Brunt admits West Brom struggled with Darren Moore's tactics
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2019, 08:13:29 AM »
Ok Chris fair enough. But the proof of the pudding is going to be in the winning isn't it?
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Re: Chris Brunt admits West Brom struggled with Darren Moore's tactics
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2019, 08:24:36 AM »
According to reports which include direct quotes from the players.

They couldn't work with Mel's high press
Lost their way under Irvine
Got bored of the drudgery of Pulisball
Lost their discipline under Pardew
Weren't comfortable playing out from the back for Moore,

You have to ask the question what will they be comfortable doing for the multi million pound contracts?

That is just pathetic from Brunt.
Exactly, and that is why I started this thread. The sooner that Brunt and Morrison are gone the better, they have been part of every episode, and are spent forces in any event.
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Re: Chris Brunt admits West Brom struggled with Darren Moore's tactics
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2019, 08:28:55 AM »
Another new style tried to be introduced well we know what our players think of change.

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Re: Chris Brunt admits West Brom struggled with Darren Moore's tactics
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2019, 08:45:26 AM »
Taken in isolation Brunts comments would seem fair.

However as Standaman points out, the same thing has been said about the last 5 managers / head coaches, maybe just maybe it isnt the managers thats the problem.

Its the reason i dont believe our squad is the best in the league other than on past reputation, other squads are younger, hungrier and want to learn, our players are older and seem to have a bit more of been there and done that attitude.

When things pickup the players talk of how they love the new system, it happened under Pardew mini revival too (6 games i think that lasted including the FA cup?!) but soon as things dont go to plan and they have to graft to turn it round it seems they dont want to change or cant change, either way its a mentality that now has to be stopped.

I have never been more desperate for this club to not be promoted as it will give a better chance of moving most of these players on, i think one of the only things that will get my interest back as a fan is a complete revamp rather than players deciding what works.

I hope Jimmy Shan draws the next two games, that way his reputation stays in tact which he deserves because he is a good man and good coach. It also means he would be unlikely to get the job full time as if he wins both i could see some of our bandits, i mean players, thinking if he does well, we get him the job, we can have another 12 months of this easy life, can just see a little group of them paying Jenkins a visit, supporting Shan for manager with a couple of wins under his belt and Jenkins thinking well its a cheap option and means we have a manager!

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Re: Chris Brunt admits West Brom struggled with Darren Moore's tactics
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2019, 08:50:59 AM »
Brunt and a couple of others are snakes. Jenkins and Lai should let them either choose the new manager or let them do it. Drain the swamp this summer regardless of what division we are in. And before the ‘Brunts A legend’ reply’s he’s been well paid for doing what he does ie his job.

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Re: Chris Brunt admits West Brom struggled with Darren Moore's tactics
« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2019, 08:59:22 AM »
Does this mean that Darren will be seen in the same light as Pepe Mel? Failure to succeed because of him as opposed to the players? I somehow suspect not strangely enough  ;)

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« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2019, 09:00:07 AM »
Brunt and a couple of others are snakes. Jenkins and Lai should let them either choose the new manager or let them do it. Drain the swamp this summer regardless of what division we are in. And before the ‘Brunts A legend’ reply’s he’s been well paid for doing what he does ie his job.

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Re: Chris Brunt admits West Brom struggled with Darren Moore's tactics
« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2019, 09:20:00 AM »
It's been clear for a couple of years now that we have some players who cannot implement what the coaches want or aren't good enough to do so. I'm not singling out Brunt really as I think his intentions are good generally and he's been a great club servant. However, it highlights the players basically stopped playing for Darren and this just sounds embarrassing.

Whoever the new man is, whatever division we're in, we badly , desperately need to flush out this squad big time and start again. We should've done this in the summer to give Darren the best chance to rebuild in his own vision (or Jones' vision whoever was pulling the strings).

Do these players think they're at Chelsea or something!!!? Wow!

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Re: Chris Brunt admits West Brom struggled with Darren Moore's tactics
« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2019, 09:30:46 AM »
Completely agree with Brunt. Does anyone actually think Moore and Jones tactics were acceptable over the season? I don't.

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Re: Chris Brunt admits West Brom struggled with Darren Moore's tactics
« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2019, 09:31:29 AM »
In my previous job I worked for several principals who weren't up to their job (and they ended up being sacked). I was up to my job, but ultimately what they wanted the staff to do had an impact on everyone below them and the school went into special measures. My individual skill and knowledge had no impact, other than on the lesson reviews I received.

It's the same here. As already stated, it's their job. There are a lot of managers who wonder from one club to another, have no skill but they know the lingo to land themselves big money contracts.

I think some fans are upset that Brunt hasn't sat there crying that a fan favourite has been sacked. I feel sad that he's gone, but ultimately I don't believe he could organise the team and this was clear from the Bolton game.

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Re: Chris Brunt admits West Brom struggled with Darren Moore's tactics
« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2019, 09:41:54 AM »
What happens if the players struggle / cant be arsed with the new coaches style?

Or the next 2 or 3 after that? Do we just keep sacking them?

Or do we give a manager time to move players on, build their own style and take it from there? Jokanovic said it took time at fulham, it would appear he wouldnt get that time with albion, the players will see to that.

Biggest mistake moore made was putting faith and trust in these players, who had two managers sacked in the 6 months previous.
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Re: Chris Brunt admits West Brom struggled with Darren Moore's tactics
« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2019, 09:51:39 AM »
According to reports which include direct quotes from the players.

They couldn't work with Mel's high press
Lost their way under Irvine
Got bored of the drudgery of Pulisball
Lost their discipline under Pardew
Weren't comfortable playing out from the back for Moore,

You have to ask the question what will they be comfortable doing for the multi million pound contracts?

That is just pathetic from Brunt.

Although I understand the sentiment, the majority of the squad have not been around for much of that so unless we are inheriently signing bad people, I’m not sure how much it really tells us.

I personally read it like CB has perhaps held back a little knowing DM is a good guy and that everyone thinks so and not wanting to really throw a good guy under the bus


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« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2019, 09:56:33 AM »
Also other than Pulis who will continue to do what Pulis does none of the others have hardly proved successful managers. The sackings were all right in my opinion and the appointments questionable (again bar Pulis who did initially what was required).

Doesn’t give hope the next one will be right either though

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« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2019, 09:57:59 AM »
This is another shambolic episode down the Albion, if media are to be believed Lai wanted to appoint Darren over the board who recommended current vile boss. Moore wants a number 2 in Jones who acts like the head coach and insists on playing out from back in a 353 formation with no cohesion from midfield to forward line which clearly doesn't work as player's employed by club aren't up to it. Recruitment has been woeful except for to shinning lights on loan, with no pace where its needed in middle of park. As for Big Dave's dismissal while I agree with decision there had to be a coach lined up to take over straight away but I forgot this the Albion.

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« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2019, 10:21:04 AM »
The vast majority of this squad were here under pulis and pardew and you can copy and paste brunts comments from yesterday and insert it into what was said when pulis and pardew were sacked.

The squad is either incapable of change or doesnt want to change and either way that doesnt bode well for the club, the players have to be moved on, not keep changing manager.

If darren moores remit was top 2 then he failed and was sacked, however whoever we get in next we have to show faith, even if that means taking a risk and giving a manager a three year deal and making it clear barring disaster (and not being promoted shouldnt be classed as a disaster, though due to the premier league money the board would disagree) that the new manager is here to stay and will be given time to build and develop something and if the players dont want or cant do that then they will be the ones being moved on, not the manager.

For once we have to show some patience with the new man, other clubs have benefitted by doing it, we do have expectant fans and for us to get better and become a stable club again its going to take a strong manager who knows flak is coming their way when they make changes, a board who dont panic at first sign of trouble and fans to be more patient.

Sadly and i hope i am wrong i see none of the above, i just see the same thing happening again and come this time next year we will probably be looking for a new manager whatever league we are in, because whoever it is coming in will have a blip at some point and we panic.

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Re: Chris Brunt admits West Brom struggled with Darren Moore's tactics
« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2019, 10:40:09 AM »
The problem with Brunt's comments is that in a way it's a public warning to Shan not to play the same way. Even if there are discussions taking place involving players about playing style, these should remain private.

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Re: Chris Brunt admits West Brom struggled with Darren Moore's tactics
« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2019, 10:43:17 AM »
Just looking at the season, I can understand and agree with Brunt's comments.

However, we as fans are looking more long term and it seems that Moore was too. If he was trying to change the style of play that will take a) time to embed and coach and b) require players more suited to playing that way. Maybe this summer will have been a clear out of those who have proven themselves incapable of playing this way. As Albion79 (I think) pointed out elsewhere, there are many managers who have struggled in their first season when trying to change the style of play like Farke and Guardiola for example who then went on to become successful after changing the playing squad once the new style of play was embedded.

I guess the question is, and has been answered with his sacking, was this Moore's remit from the club? Clearly not which is disappointing as having a more flexible style of play that meant we could attack games, creating a pathway for the youth and also a squad overhaul (which I'm presuming will have happened this summer), were things that I would have been in favour of. Moore's remit evidently was solely promotion. Going forward, the owners and Luke Dowling really need to set a blueprint for how they want this club to operate because I have had enough of the short term thinking - it hasn't been successful for us.

To summarise, in the short term yes, Brunt's comments are correct but in the long term, they are symbolic of our problems.

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Re: Chris Brunt admits West Brom struggled with Darren Moore's tactics
« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2019, 10:45:51 AM »
The too comfy, set in their ways squad are back again with their "our way or the highway" attitude.

They like all of us get paid to do a job with instructions from their manager to carry out those instruction whether they agree with them or not.

Part of the clearout started when others went but it seems there's still some there who have too much sway and as time goes by their voices get heard and listed to by others adding to their power.

This is a bloke who they all liked last season but seems not enough to put the effort in and go outside their little comfort zones.

Clear them out in the Summer if contracts are up so instead of rewarding them with a nice signing on fee, let them go and any others who want to be gone, get a young hungry squad who both want to be here and can progress with us.
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Re: Chris Brunt admits West Brom struggled with Darren Moore's tactics
« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2019, 10:53:26 AM »
Brunt has past form for these hindsight comments complaining about managers once they are gone. If he comes out with these comments publicly after they have been sacked, it is easy to imagine that he is coming out with them in the dressing room when they are still there. In other words, he is undermining the manager. He should have been shipped out last year, but unfortunately I can see him being given a contract extension at the end of the season. Much the same applies to Morrison,want him out but believe he will still be here next year.

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« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2019, 10:55:27 AM »
Brunt says we should be setting the tempo at home and this for me is one major problem, there is too often no tempo to our game. We don't harry the opposition we just concede possession and sit in. We don't get about teams we don't play with any intensity. Our goal kicks take forever, our throw ins take forever, everything is slow. It's all way too comfortable for the opposition. This I'm almost certain is down to the mentality installed mainly by Graeme Jones.

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« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2019, 10:58:15 AM »
Brunt says we should be setting the tempo at home and this for me is one major problem, there is too often no tempo to our game. We don't harry the opposition we just concede possession and sit in. We don't get about teams we don't play with any intensity. Our goal kicks take forever, our throw ins take forever, everything is slow. It's all way too comfortable for the opposition. This I'm almost certain is down to the mentality installed mainly by Graeme Jones.

Yeah, I've noticed the same.  We seem to just wait for the opposition to make a mistake and lose possession rather than win possession back.

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« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2019, 10:58:36 AM »
According to reports which include direct quotes from the players.

They couldn't work with Mel's high press
Lost their way under Irvine
Got bored of the drudgery of Pulisball
Lost their discipline under Pardew
Weren't comfortable playing out from the back for Moore,

You have to ask the question what will they be comfortable doing for the multi million pound contracts?

That is just pathetic from Brunt.
Maybe most football players (or most people at work, I agree with 17GD) are just happier/better performing with managers who are a bit more hands off on detail and trust them to make decisions on the pitch - look at ManU under Ole after Jose and his nitpicking, we were at our best in recent years with Hodgson who had a pretty basic system but seem to allow the players a fair bit of tactical responsibility on the pitch.  Back in the day, Willie used to sometimes pop over to the other wing for a few minutes for no particular reason, and the midfield would drift the other way to compensate, I don't recall there being "water bottle" conferences about it or a lot of managerial arm waving.

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« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2019, 11:01:49 AM »
Brunt says we should be setting the tempo at home and this for me is one major problem, there is too often no tempo to our game. We don't harry the opposition we just concede possession and sit in. We don't get about teams we don't play with any intensity. Our goal kicks take forever, our throw ins take forever, everything is slow. It's all way too comfortable for the opposition. This I'm almost certain is down to the mentality installed mainly by Graeme Jones.
If the mentality/role/system/tactics have been rigidly dictated, then you might well lose intensity because you are concentrating on what you have been told to do instead of getting in amongst them.

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Re: Chris Brunt admits West Brom struggled with Darren Moore's tactics
« Reply #30 on: March 13, 2019, 11:13:56 AM »
Maybe most football players (or most people at work, I agree with 17GD) are just happier/better performing with managers who are a bit more hands off on detail and trust them to make decisions on the pitch - look at ManU under Ole after Jose and his nitpicking, we were at our best in recent years with Hodgson who had a pretty basic system but seem to allow the players a fair bit of tactical responsibility on the pitch.  Back in the day, Willie used to sometimes pop over to the other wing for a few minutes for no particular reason, and the midfield would drift the other way to compensate, I don't recall there being "water bottle" conferences about it or a lot of managerial arm waving.

Willie was either doing a deal for a shed or organising his crate of Newcastle Brown Ale that's why he used to pop over to the other wing.
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« Reply #31 on: March 13, 2019, 11:20:57 AM »
Not struggling to pick up their 1,000,s of pounds wages a week are they

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« Reply #32 on: March 13, 2019, 11:56:08 AM »
Willie was either doing a deal for a shed or organising his crate of Newcastle Brown Ale that's why he used to pop over to the other wing.
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« Reply #33 on: March 13, 2019, 12:50:49 PM »
Arguably the most successful period in our recent history was when Roy Hodgson was in charge; he set us up to play in a counter-attacking manner when we had players capable of causing problems with their pace and movement (Long / Odemwingie) and players who could find the passes to them (prime Brunt, Morrison).

That's what the squad became comfortable doing, and in keeping it together, they became accustomed to that; if it was any other style, they no longer felt comfortable. When Mel said the squad needed to be broken up, the club panicked and sacked him instead, but he had a point.

The fact is despite losing most of that team, the players Pulis bought in were drilled to do the same thing, and many were too limited to do anything else.

It's what I said all along; Moore wanted to change the style, but not the players. If he was intent on changing styles, we needed a bigger turnover of players. If he wanted to keep the squad together, he had to play the way they were accustomed to.

Now we're messing about with a scattershot approach, looking at managers who play all different styles of football because we've got no long term plans other than simply 'promotion'. We need a Dan Ashworth now more than ever.

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Re: Chris Brunt admits West Brom struggled with Darren Moore's tactics
« Reply #34 on: March 13, 2019, 01:18:05 PM »
Its a reflection of the players and club than it is Darren Moore.

We were all sold the pretense in the summer about attacking football and the new culture within the football club.

The club should have backed their manager and over-hauled the squad as it requires.

They got rid of Mel, Irvine, Pulis, Pardew and now Darren Moore..

Quite frankly, I'd rather have seen the back of some of the players rather than Moore.

I feel sorry for the next bloke who will no doubt lose his job when these players cannot cope with his demands.
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Re: Chris Brunt admits West Brom struggled with Darren Moore's tactics
« Reply #35 on: March 13, 2019, 01:43:35 PM »
What a numpty, we played alright first half of the season with a full strength squad. In other news players not good enough to win automatic blame another manager for trying to win games.

Are these not the same players who discredited, Pulis, Mel and pardrew? So they only liked Irvine and Clarke, hmmm.

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Re: Chris Brunt admits West Brom struggled with Darren Moore's tactics
« Reply #36 on: March 13, 2019, 01:51:32 PM »
Its a reflection of the players and club than it is Darren Moore.

We were all sold the pretense in the summer about attacking football and the new culture within the football club.

The club should have backed their manager and over-hauled the squad as it requires.

They got rid of Mel, Irvine, Pulis, Pardew and now Darren Moore..

Quite frankly, I'd rather have seen the back of some of the players rather than Moore.

I feel sorry for the next bloke who will no doubt lose his job when these players cannot cope with his demands.
It's the Pulis curse mate. Too many over-rated British players with "Premier League experience" that work aaard, put a shift in and are lovely lads. Unfortunately, they have very little in terms of footballing ability and what they did have has been trained out of them. This means they are only comfortable without the ball and defending in numbers.
Falloutboy has hit the nail on the head, if Moore wanted to change the style then he should have ditched the deadwood and brought in some hungry young talent who are actually comfortable with the ball at their feet. He did try with the likes of Barnes, Holgate, Murphy and Harper but ultimately, got stuck somewhere in the middle and it cost him his job.
The sad thing is, the board seem to have no idea of what direction they go in next but, if they listen to Brunt and try and get a manager that fits the squad, it will be Pulis mark II.

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Re: Chris Brunt admits West Brom struggled with Darren Moore's tactics
« Reply #37 on: March 13, 2019, 02:27:23 PM »
Brunt has to face up these interviews as club captain, they are heavily moderated by the club who want to control the narrative.


He's never going to come out saying it's harsh or the players are completely at fault.
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« Reply #38 on: March 13, 2019, 04:21:41 PM »
Willie was either doing a deal for a shed or organising his crate of Newcastle Brown Ale that's why he used to pop over to the other wing.
There was always a reason

Before the new year our front 3 were flexible in terms of not sticking in their positions, Yooung Barnes would pop up anywhere across the line and Jrod often drifted in / out, however when Barnes went we have for some reason become rigid, therefore predictable and consequently easier to nullify.
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Re: Chris Brunt admits West Brom struggled with Darren Moore's tactics
« Reply #39 on: March 13, 2019, 04:56:32 PM »
I have to agree about player's attitudes regarding past managers. Most of the managers mentioned were "nice" guys, which is probably why the player's initially wanted Moore.
But management should take responsibility for the attitude of the players. At the end of the day it's down to the head coach to instill discipline and play a team to it's strengths, and not to a dream.

We need a young up and coming no nonsense manager, in the image of say....Brian Clough.

Not too much to hope for is it?

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Re: Chris Brunt admits West Brom struggled with Darren Moore's tactics
« Reply #40 on: March 13, 2019, 05:14:00 PM »
I have to agree about player's attitudes regarding past managers. Most of the managers mentioned were "nice" guys, which is probably why the player's initially wanted Moore.
But management should take responsibility for the attitude of the players. At the end of the day it's down to the head coach to instill discipline and play a team to it's strengths, and not to a dream.

We need a young up and coming no nonsense manager, in the image of say....Brian Clough.

Not too much to hope for is it?

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Re: Chris Brunt admits West Brom struggled with Darren Moore's tactics
« Reply #41 on: March 13, 2019, 05:23:51 PM »
I think nowadays players in general do hold too much influence, most of our other managers seemed nice guys (not sure what to make of Pardew) but Pulis certainly wouldnt of been a pushover but this group of players managed to even get rid of him.

Like said previous i think if this was a one off then you would agree with some of Brunts comments but because its happened so often it suggests a deeper running problem.

I dont think it matters who the manager is, it would seem this group rule the roost, the only way to do that is to move them on, its catch 22 because (a) if we go up we get a load of money so it isnt so much of an issue like it is now, and the players will be kept on for another season (despite ruling the roost but also getting worse in terms of ability) but (b) if we stay down the players are likely to be sold to recoup some money back but we have to rebuild and that takes time and potentially a lot of it.

I understand the reasons why option (a) is important, but i would rather we did option (b) these players have seen off nice managers, smooth managers, experienced managers, inexperienced managers, they can seemingly see off who they want so i think we need to break them up not keep changing managers.
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Re: Chris Brunt admits West Brom struggled with Darren Moore's tactics
« Reply #42 on: March 13, 2019, 05:43:20 PM »
not buying that it's all down to Moore's tactics, this from a player who 1,struggles to get a game.
2, struggled when he got a game.
it's a combination of tactics and the inability of our players to carry out those tactics. we've got plenty of overpaid players even after the pay cut.

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Re: Chris Brunt admits West Brom struggled with Darren Moore's tactics
« Reply #43 on: March 13, 2019, 05:56:08 PM »
Would you be happy with Gerrard or Lampard?

I wouldn't mind Alex Neil, but i think thats something the media have invented.

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Re: Chris Brunt admits West Brom struggled with Darren Moore's tactics
« Reply #44 on: March 13, 2019, 06:11:00 PM »
Willie was either doing a deal for a shed or organising his crate of Newcastle Brown Ale that's why he used to pop over to the other wing.
There was always a reason

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Re: Chris Brunt admits West Brom struggled with Darren Moore's tactics
« Reply #45 on: March 13, 2019, 06:57:37 PM »
perhaps its Brunts way of putting himself forward for the job?  :o

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Re: Chris Brunt admits West Brom struggled with Darren Moore's tactics
« Reply #46 on: March 13, 2019, 10:59:24 PM »
Can we keep this to Brunts comments about Moore please and other Brunt stuff in his specific topic. No posts have been deleted before anyone starts whining, they have been merged elsewhere
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Re: Chris Brunt admits West Brom struggled with Darren Moore's tactics
« Reply #47 on: March 14, 2019, 02:45:49 PM »
I wouldn't mind Alex Neil, but i think thats something the media have invented.

Can't see us buying off his contract with Preston.

Initially I wasn't to enamoured with Neill, however, in his favour he had a lot of injuries early season -  Preston are now on fire, just 2 points off the play off's. He may not be a such a bad fit after all?

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Re: Chris Brunt admits West Brom struggled with Darren Moore's tactics
« Reply #48 on: March 14, 2019, 03:16:51 PM »
I'd still like to know how much they were DM's tactics and how much was Jones's influence?
I still think there is much to be learned one day about what realy went wrong and how it was allowed to happen 
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Re: Chris Brunt admits West Brom struggled with Darren Moore's tactics
« Reply #49 on: March 14, 2019, 03:22:37 PM »
I'd still like to know how much they were DM's tactics and how much was Jones's influence?
I still think there is much to be learned one day about what realy went wrong and how it was allowed to happen


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