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« Reply #2600 on: May 26, 2019, 10:43:41 AM »
Gary Monk's coming in at second favourite today on PP and Sky Bet. I suspect somebody just put a bet on him but it's something to talk about isn't it?

For me, i would be ok with him. He has a 39% win rate which includes Premier League season with Swansea and a taking over at a struggling Blues where he seemed to get them doing  little better.

His style at Swansea was great to watch but i'm not sure if that was more inherited than his own doing.

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« Reply #2601 on: May 26, 2019, 10:50:43 AM »
Cowley brothers compo cost is 1.5million Alan Nixon has reported so that may end our interest.

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« Reply #2602 on: May 26, 2019, 10:52:53 AM »
I have a mate with his level 4 UEFA coaching badges who knows the Cowley brothers very well. Much as he’d love to see them get their chance at a higher level, he says they would be disastrous for West Brom as our fans would never accept their style of play which “certainly isn’t pretty”.  He also doubts that players in several larger Championship clubs like us would have enough respect for their lack of backgrounds in the game as players, and not knowing anything other than lower league management.   He doesn’t want his mates to fail, and is very confident that we are not the right fit at all for the Cowleys.

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« Reply #2603 on: May 26, 2019, 11:55:39 AM »
Soon to be into our 4th month of careful and considered deliberation in the quest to find our new leader. No stone unturned. I just hope having taken all this time we are not underwhelmed by their choice.  :-[
Or one week since he board Knew which league we were going to be in and therefore can make a considered judgment on who to appoint for the stragetgy that we will now implement (I await 12 trying to be funny replies from people mocking the "strategy" word cause they are all comedians)
To me appointing the next manager is like knowing you are going to get a promotion at work and the two options are north and south....until you know where ,, you can't purchase the house....or you can if you are mad
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« Reply #2604 on: May 26, 2019, 12:04:47 PM »
Why I don't like Cowley is 100% down to the style of play. Coaches have a base style and you should never hire a coach in the vague hope that in different circumstances that the style will change. I would also suggest that the pragmatic style in general is capped in what it can achieve and that cap is promotion from the Championship and even there I would always back a passing team over those that don't.

 Those advocating Cowley seem to be doing so on the strength of a record of sucess with Lincoln as a non-league club followed by his promotion from league 2, which is fine I was making the comparison with Micky Mellon purely on the grounds that his record is at least as impressive over a longer period. On the limited evidence Mellon's Tranmere play a decent brand of football given the limitations of League 2 .

It is purely coincidence that Mellon played for the Albion (a couple of seasons back in the day) but given that there is no long term Albion style of play that is neither here nor there. I equally don't understand why some fans think that a playing career with the Albion bars them from the role.

I am not making the case for Mellon just pointing out the case for him is no worse than for Cowley.
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« Reply #2605 on: May 26, 2019, 12:12:50 PM »
Or one week since he board Knew which league we were going to be in and therefore can make a considered judgment on who to appoint for the stragetgy that we will now implement (I await 12 trying to be funny replies from people mocking the "strategy" word cause they are all comedians)
To me appointing the next manager is like knowing you are going to get a promotion at work and the two options are north and south....until you know where ,, you can't purchase the house....or you can if you are mad

Like you, I'll take Luke Dowling's word that he/they will have competed discussions with the four candidates by this coming Friday.
At the moment, I'm pretty relaxed about the final outcome
With the emergence of Labbadia as a potential candidate, I get the feeling the appointment could well be left field.
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« Reply #2606 on: May 26, 2019, 01:07:10 PM »
Why I don't like Cowley is 100% down to the style of play. Coaches have a base style and you should never hire a coach in the vague hope that in different circumstances that the style will change. I would also suggest that the pragmatic style in general is capped in what it can achieve and that cap is promotion from the Championship and even there I would always back a passing team over those that don't.

 Those advocating Cowley seem to be doing so on the strength of a record of sucess with Lincoln as a non-league club followed by his promotion from league 2, which is fine I was making the comparison with Micky Mellon purely on the grounds that his record is at least as impressive over a longer period. On the limited evidence Mellon's Tranmere play a decent brand of football given the limitations of League 2 .

It is purely coincidence that Mellon played for the Albion (a couple of seasons back in the day) but given that there is no long term Albion style of play that is neither here nor there. I equally don't understand why some fans think that a playing career with the Albion bars them from the role.

I am not making the case for Mellon just pointing out the case for him is no worse than for Cowley.

Exactly. There are plenty of managers in the lower divisions with records of multiple and even back to back promotions. I've made similar points to those shared by overseas baggie and still maintain that Cowley would be a terrible and (in my opinion) baffling choice.

As to his style of play, there are plenty of teams in the bottom division who play passing football, perhaps more than play any kind of 'hoofball' style tactics. Cowley played an unattractive style of play despite having a decent budget for that level and I'd expect him to continue this at whatever level he manages at.

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« Reply #2607 on: May 26, 2019, 01:09:54 PM »
The ever-reliable John Percy reporting that we will hold talks with Bruno Labbadia on Monday, with the other contenders set to be approached later in the week.

Can't see it happening myself and I'm not sure how I feel about it but at least it isn't somebody on the usual managerial merry-go-round.

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« Reply #2608 on: May 26, 2019, 01:14:19 PM »
Or one week since he board Knew which league we were going to be in and therefore can make a considered judgment on who to appoint for the stragetgy that we will now implement (I await 12 trying to be funny replies from people mocking the "strategy" word cause they are all comedians)
To me appointing the next manager is like knowing you are going to get a promotion at work and the two options are north and south....until you know where ,, you can't purchase the house....or you can if you are mad
But surely, having had such a long time to deliberate you would have two short lists of candidates (one for Premier League and another for staying in The Chanpionship?). Granted, other names (such as Hughton) would be considered as they become available but I would hope the process started before one week ago.

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« Reply #2609 on: May 26, 2019, 01:15:23 PM »
Would love it if we can get him but probably the longest shot we are interviewing. If he's willing to come for talks then obviously open to it. I imagine he will certain guarantees regarding spending.

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« Reply #2610 on: May 26, 2019, 01:15:44 PM »
But surely, having had such a long time to deliberate you would have two short lists of candidates (one for Premier League and another for staying in The Chanpionship?). Granted, other names (such as Hughton) would be considered as they become available but I would hope the process started before one week ago.

The process should have been started the day they decided to sack Darren Moore. The club have become a laughing stock.
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« Reply #2611 on: May 26, 2019, 01:20:06 PM »
The ever-reliable John Percy reporting that we will hold talks with Bruno Labbadia on Monday, with the other contenders set to be approached later in the week.

Can't see it happening myself and I'm not sure how I feel about it but at least it isn't somebody on the usual managerial merry-go-round.

Careful!!!!!!!    Percy said "other contenders" NOT "the other contenders"

Sorry to be pedantic, but "the other contenders" suggests we haven't spoken to anyone yet, whereas Dowling said we'd be speaking to some in the week just past.
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« Reply #2612 on: May 26, 2019, 01:29:49 PM »
The process should have been started the day they decided to sack Darren Moore. The club have become a laughing stock.

How do you know it didn't?

Tomorrow afternoon either Frank Lampard or Dean Smith will have been as successful as James Shan/Darren Moore. One of them will still be the Manager of a Championship Club.

Derby County or Aston Villa will be in a lot more trouble than us financially, who will be a laughing stock then?
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« Reply #2613 on: May 26, 2019, 02:29:25 PM »
How do you know it didn't?

Tomorrow afternoon either Frank Lampard or Dean Smith will have been as successful as James Shan/Darren Moore. One of them will still be the Manager of a Championship Club.

Derby County or Aston Villa will be in a lot more trouble than us financially, who will be a laughing stock then?

Villa have no financial issues currently to my knowledge, be interesting to see what happens with Frank Lampard's Derby though.  I do wonder how much influence Moore or Shan really had to be honest, neither should have been considered for the job.  If it wasn't for Barnes and Gayle we would have been below half way up the league.

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« Reply #2614 on: May 26, 2019, 02:33:59 PM »
How do you know it didn't?

Tomorrow afternoon either Frank Lampard or Dean Smith will have been as successful as James Shan/Darren Moore. One of them will still be the Manager of a Championship Club.

Derby County or Aston Villa will be in a lot more trouble than us financially, who will be a laughing stock then?
You would think they would ,but also be aware that other candidates will become available as the season wore on (and some would become less desirable)
I am absolutely happy and would have probably followed the same plan...
I think it's also worth noting that fans are getting touchy about the "lack of commas from the club" , well those seals down the road had doctor ding dong on twitter all the time and that was bloody embarrassing...
I think we may be about to get a really left field progressive manager and rebuild, sometimes one step back to go 3 forward is the best way ....the other lot down the other road would testify
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« Reply #2615 on: May 26, 2019, 02:51:32 PM »
How do you know it didn't?

Tomorrow afternoon either Frank Lampard or Dean Smith will have been as successful as James Shan/Darren Moore. One of them will still be the Manager of a Championship Club.

Derby County or Aston Villa will be in a lot more trouble than us financially, who will be a laughing stock then?

How do I now it didn't?

Because we are still talking about possible candidates with new names appearing on a regular basis. If the club had a plan when Moore was sacked then a new man would have been in place within a week or so or as soon as the season ended.

I couldn't give a stuff to be honest about Lampard or Smith, neither will be in charge of this club next season so are of no concern same as Aston Villa or Derby County themselves.
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« Reply #2616 on: May 26, 2019, 03:35:40 PM »
Villa have no financial issues currently to my knowledge, be interesting to see what happens with Frank Lampard's Derby though.  I do wonder how much influence Moore or Shan really had to be honest, neither should have been considered for the job.  If it wasn't for Barnes and Gayle we would have been below half way up the league.

But we did have them. You could argue that point for a lot of teams.

If villa didn’t have grealish and Tammy. If derby didn’t have Wilson and Mount.

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« Reply #2617 on: May 26, 2019, 03:57:55 PM »
http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/startseite/750160/artikel_labbadia_ich_habe_es_geliebt_.html

Labbadia said no to Hamburg and seems to think he’ll be working abroad. I think it’s going to him. Would be exciting and would mean we would recruit 1/2 from outside the UK for once!

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« Reply #2618 on: May 26, 2019, 04:36:11 PM »
http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/startseite/750160/artikel_labbadia_ich_habe_es_geliebt_.html

Labbadia said no to Hamburg and seems to think he’ll be working abroad. I think it’s going to him. Would be exciting and would mean we would recruit 1/2 from outside the UK for once!

I wish I could get my hopes up....
40 years have taught me otherwise
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Nice one Cyrille, nice one son

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« Reply #2619 on: May 26, 2019, 04:36:17 PM »
I daren't hope. This seems too adventurous for us.

I don't know what he would do for us but a brand new way of thinking - yes please.
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« Reply #2620 on: May 26, 2019, 04:42:51 PM »
I wish I could get my hopes up....
40 years have taught me itherwise

This time tomorrow he’ll have had his talks and probably be ruled out of the running ;D

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« Reply #2621 on: May 26, 2019, 04:59:48 PM »
This time tomorrow he’ll have had his talks and probably be ruled out of the running ;D


I know you jest, but we both know that you will be right.

A different exciting approach would be wonderful, but you just know our aims/money/wages will be too low....
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« Reply #2622 on: May 26, 2019, 05:40:44 PM »
I wish I could get my hopes up....
40 years have taught me otherwise
In just 10 years
Anelka, Rosenberg,krykowiack,hodgson,Carson,foster....despite what happened after signing all of these have been a "name" during there career and many probably thought we wouldn't get any .
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« Reply #2623 on: May 26, 2019, 05:50:20 PM »
In just 10 years
Anelka, Rosenberg,krykowiack,hodgson,Carson,foster....despite what happened after signing all of these have been a "name" during there career and many probably thought we wouldn't get any .
And, of those, only Hodgson and Foster turned out to be any good. Big name doesn't necessarily equate to big success, and vice versa.

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« Reply #2624 on: May 26, 2019, 05:58:52 PM »
And, of those, only Hodgson and Foster turned out to be any good. Big name doesn't necessarily equate to big success, and vice versa.
I did say that?
The point was that the poster said he's had forty years of being let down....its not true IMO
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