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Offline darbolina

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« Reply #2100 on: May 16, 2019, 09:21:16 AM »
I can see the value of establishing a more open passing based style from scratch and I'd love this (I enjoyed it with Mowbray but don't think we've really attempted it since), but I think we have to be realistic and accept that the club has been moulded for probably ten years now around a more pragmatic, defensive based style based.  I'd compare our current position squad wise to the time just before Megson took over. In the late 90s, we'd had a few years of switching managers often, had lost our way and were left with some older, overpaid players who needed replacing. The club culture needed an overhaul.  At the time, we know Megson was a bit of a revolution and built a solid foundation to build from which began a phase where we were able to evolve - peaking around 10 years later. He changed the culture for the better. This needs to be absolutely right before style now!

Hopefully it doesn't take 10 years to get us back to mid table premier league playing much better football than we have been but I think to get there, first we have to change culture (back to aspiring to improve instead of being good enough) and lay some stronger foundations than we have at the moment.

Hughton for all of the criticism of style, seems to leave clubs in decent shape, not in debt and if someone is there to help avoid some his more costly transfer mistakes on forwards he seems to make from time to time, I think he could potentially leave us in decent shape to evolve further whatever happens (he's been at Newcastle, Norwich and now Brighton and generally left them better off on the whole).

Of course, I probably sound too careful with this approach but Mowbray came into what was already a very good squad and tweaked it to make us into an entertaining if painfully , idealistically naive team in the premier league. Wolves have built a very good side but have spent over 100m in process and have deep connections with Mendes we just don't have. We can't do it that way so in the absence of spending our way to a good team  we need to build it step by step.

 


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« Reply #2101 on: May 16, 2019, 10:39:54 AM »
I'd like to be linked to different names if I am honest. The usual names bore me and worry me.

What also worries me is that we are at this stage and still no closer to actually getting someone in.

I had a little hope they had someone lined up when Moore went, but it seems they acted on a whim.

Whoever it is, I just hope they're given enough time to get a few players in.

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« Reply #2102 on: May 16, 2019, 10:44:02 AM »
I'd like to be linked to different names if I am honest. The usual names bore me and worry me.

What also worries me is that we are at this stage and still no closer to actually getting someone in.

I had a little hope they had someone lined up when Moore went, but it seems they acted on a whim.

Whoever it is, I just hope they're given enough time to get a few players in.
Think they did have a target or two at the point of sacking ,Jocanavic was one for sure .
Alan Nixon reported we needed to "get real " with our offer to both him and I think Moyes which as usual will be the sticking point.
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« Reply #2103 on: May 16, 2019, 11:01:39 AM »
I'd like to be linked to different names if I am honest. The usual names bore me and worry me.

What also worries me is that we are at this stage and still no closer to actually getting someone in.

I had a little hope they had someone lined up when Moore went, but it seems they acted on a whim.

Whoever it is, I just hope they're given enough time to get a few players in.

Jokanovic was the man they wanted when they got rid of Moore.

I'm guessing initial discussions would have been positive and that's why the club acted, then probably for one reason or another (main ones more than likely being wages and transfer budgets) that didn't happen.

I think the fact we didn't appoint anyone else was further proof that we wanted Jokanovic. I never really brought into Alex Neil rumours to be honest, and fair play to him for using it to his advantages to get a better contract.

I don't have faith in the current heirachy to oversee a big overhaul of the playing staff and the style of football, that's why for me I think Hughton is the best fit.

Championship experience, premier league experience, has won promotion a couple of times. well respected within football.

I have said before though, if he comes in - I think that's the end of Rodriguez here, really cant see Jay wanting to stay if Hughton is named boss.
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« Reply #2104 on: May 16, 2019, 11:17:00 AM »
I’m tired of all the safe/predictable names being linked to the job as per usual, think we need a younger, more ambitious man, I’d try and get Barnsley’s Daniel Stendel who has done an excellent job working with scraps and playing a good brand of football too. He also has plenty of experience from the German league. Alternatively, how about the Lincoln boss who has now achieved two promotions in very quick succession.

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« Reply #2105 on: May 16, 2019, 11:19:53 AM »
I’m tired of all the safe/predictable names being linked to the job as per usual, think we need a younger, more ambitious man, I’d try and get Barnsley’s Daniel Stendel who has done an excellent job working with scraps and playing a good brand of football too. He also has plenty of experience from the German league. Alternatively, how about the Lincoln boss who has now achieved two promotions in very quick succession.

Whilst Cowley at Lincoln has done very well the past few seasons, he has done so playing a brand of football similar to what Megson provided, certainly not entertaining if that's what the vast majority of fans want.

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« Reply #2106 on: May 16, 2019, 11:24:34 AM »
Whilst Cowley at Lincoln has done very well the past few seasons, he has done so playing a brand of football similar to what Megson provided, certainly not entertaining if that's what the vast majority of fans want.

Cowley's brand of football makes Pulis look like Guardiola.

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« Reply #2107 on: May 16, 2019, 11:45:29 AM »
Matt Wilson. Said Hughton and Cowley early front runners. Interested in Viera too.

I would have Viera in a heartbeat, the bloke is a winner, not used to losing and played with  the most attractive sides in football.
What could we possibly offer him to come here from Nice though, and who would buy out his contract?

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« Reply #2108 on: May 16, 2019, 11:51:47 AM »
Yep he also said that Viera would be extremely tough/costly to tempt away.

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« Reply #2109 on: May 16, 2019, 12:22:32 PM »
I’m tired of all the safe/predictable names being linked to the job as per usual, think we need a younger, more ambitious man, I’d try and get Barnsley’s Daniel Stendel who has done an excellent job working with scraps and playing a good brand of football too. He also has plenty of experience from the German league. Alternatively, how about the Lincoln boss who has now achieved two promotions in very quick succession.
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I had suggested Stendel just after DM got sacked, think it might be a little harder to tempt him here now that Barnsley have been promoted.

Expectations there will be to just stay up I imagine and anything else is a bonus so he may see it as a safer option to stay there a bit longer.
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« Reply #2110 on: May 16, 2019, 12:23:47 PM »
I would have Viera in a heartbeat, the bloke is a winner, not used to losing and played with  the most attractive sides in football.
What could we possibly offer him to come here from Nice though, and who would buy out his contract?

the same could be argued for Tierry Henry but I wouldn't want him.

 Vieira has a 38.4% win percentage with Nice scoring less than a goal a game (32 in 39 games) with an overall goal difference of -6 (32/38)  Of the 39 games they've won 15, drew 12 lost 12......not the most inspiring stats I've read.

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« Reply #2111 on: May 16, 2019, 12:28:51 PM »
the same could be argued for Tierry Henry but I wouldn't want him.

 Vieira has a 38.4% win percentage with Nice scoring less than a goal a game (32 in 39 games) with an overall goal difference of -6 (32/38)  Of the 39 games they've won 15, drew 12 lost 12......not the most inspiring stats I've read.

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Vieira#Coaching_career


I was just about to post very similar.

Let's just appoint a name eh?

Due diligence anyone?

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« Reply #2112 on: May 16, 2019, 12:40:48 PM »
What type the new managers success is will depend on what we do with our current players.

If we retain most of the current squad, they have shown their limitations, then we would be best to go for a Hughton. They will be organised, well drilled, workman like and probably pretty effective at this level, there would be no point getting in a jokanovic for our current squad.

I like Hughton and if the above scenario is the case (ie - we keep most of the squad) he would be the obvious choice, i like him as a bloke and think he would do a decent job, i wouldnt be disappointed with Hughton but he wouldnt get the juices flowing.

I think after 3 of our previous 4 permanent mangers have been Irvine, Pulis and Pardew, as a fan i want somebody to get excited about.

If we have a big clearout then i would like to see a new manager coming in who can build his own team, have an identity and ideally play positive football, if we got to the premier league it would be nice to see that then carried on.

Bournemouth have shown it can be done and they gradually built from league two, Southampton did it, stayed up, then reverted to more caution but are now trying to play on the front foot. Wolves have shown it can be done, abeit with well funded and well connected owners.

I hope Norwich go up and have a real good go, their fans are buzzing as they know this time it looks like they will try and different approach to getting to the magical 40 points. I hope Derby if they go up do well too as they play positive football.

I think with three of the bottom four teams Brighton, Cardiff and Huddersfield all mainly being quite cautious in their approach, it shows that even playing that way doesnt mean survival so why not try another way if / once you get there, thats why i hope our new manager has a new squad and create a new identity for us.
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« Reply #2113 on: May 16, 2019, 01:22:14 PM »
I'm not bothered about 'a name'
Vierra and Henry ?  ;D
Fantastic footballers but neither have done anything in management to warrant any serious attention.
I wan't somebody that can assemble a team of footballers that can play football the way we did when Mowbray was here. If Mowbray was interested I'd have him back.
I'm sick of managers being appointed that 'know the club' That means they are basically mates with the players. I want a manager that manages his way not one that cowers to player pressure.
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« Reply #2114 on: May 16, 2019, 02:04:24 PM »
Surprised there are no takers for Dyche.

I would love him here.

I just don't think the panacea of this Barca style football on our budget is possible is possible long term.

You may get it to work in the short term in the prem but then your cultured players will be sold and you won't be able to replace them so easily as there is not a conveyor belt of them as everyone wants that type of player.

A bit like Southampton played some good stuff when they came up and then sold the best ones to Liverpool and who despite having a massive catchment area to produce players from their excellent academy, sell them and find it hard to replace them and then suffer, whilst the likes of puel are driven out whilst do relatively well because they all want champagne football.

Personally, I would take winning football anyway it came, I loved the god Megson era and some of the pulis reign when we battering, ironically, Burnley.

Imo it is the pep's of this world who have hundreds of millions to spend that created this entertainment business.

To me it has always been a sport and winning was what mattered and everything else is a bonus.


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« Reply #2115 on: May 16, 2019, 02:15:00 PM »
Has anyone got faith in the executives of this club to appoint a decent manager?  I have none.  I have no idea of the criteria they use to select a manager... and if they're sticking to them them?  I have no confidence in them picking the 'right' man.

I think you have to go back to 2011 and Roy Hodgson sinc they picked a good one, and that was down to Ashton rather than anyone else.  Steve Clarke (a coach right under their nose). Pepe Mel (didn't have the right players). Alan Irvine (not sure what he bought to the party). Pulis (did a good rescue job, but it should have ended there). Pardew (just no idea). Moore (could be a good manager with some experience).  And the last 2 months where they couldn't be bothered to appoint anyone.  This is not including Dowling, Kelly, Megson and Shan (as space fillers).

I think that if we're going to try to hang on to some of the more well know players we have then Hughton is a good choice.  If we're going to sell the better known players then Jokanovic would be a good choice.  So the strategy of the club is important... and I'm not sure we have one of those either.

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« Reply #2116 on: May 16, 2019, 03:17:25 PM »
Does anyone know anything?
It just seems a lot of guess work to me..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48296049

Danny Cowley & Chris Hughton under consideration for manager's job.

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« Reply #2117 on: May 16, 2019, 03:25:26 PM »
Does anyone know anything?
It just seems a lot of guess work to me..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48296049

Danny Cowley & Chris Hughton under consideration for manager's job.

Strikes me as speculative journalism to be honest. I would suggest that Simon Stone has been reading this forum and made a story out of it.

Even a chimp can work out that Hughton is available and may be on the Albion radar.

No 'a spokesperson from the club has confirmed....'etc, just his take on a blindingly obvious story.
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« Reply #2118 on: May 16, 2019, 03:30:26 PM »
Does anyone know anything?
It just seems a lot of guess work to me..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48296049

Danny Cowley & Chris Hughton under consideration for manager's job.
If all the rumours are true then there seems little in the way of cohesive planning.

Hughton - Out of work, so technically free although wage expectations would be fairly high. Good record of promotion from this league. Plays ok football in Champ, not overly expansive or defensive, fairly mainstream

Cowley - In work but in lower leagues so compensation not excessive nor would his wage expectations be. Plays god awful football and makes no apologies for it.

Viera - In work in Ligue 1 so compensation would be high as would wage demands. Little experience to go on so no real idea of his style of play but record average at best.

I hope these are all just paper talk as they just seem far too different. I would like us to have an idea of what we are looking for and interviewing managers that fit the model rather than just a scattergun approach. Smacks of an accountant pulling the strings and testing the various waters from a financial stand point.
If Dowling has any sway (if indeed he exists at all. Have him and Jenkins ever been seen in the same room) he should be laying down a blueprint of how the playing side of things should move forward and identifying managers that fit the model.

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« Reply #2119 on: May 16, 2019, 03:34:47 PM »

I was just about to post very similar.

Let's just appoint a name eh?

Due diligence anyone?

No not just because he's a name. But he's young, ambitious, plays attractive high tempo football and is used to being a winner. Isn't that the criteria fans are asking for?
I wanted Dean Smith last season for exactly the same reasons , and he isn't a name.

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« Reply #2120 on: May 16, 2019, 03:36:38 PM »
Is biesla too far fetched?

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« Reply #2121 on: May 16, 2019, 03:39:31 PM »
No not just because he's a name. But he's young, ambitious, plays attractive high tempo football and is used to being a winner. Isn't that the criteria fans are asking for?
I wanted Dean Smith last season for exactly the same reasons , and he isn't a name.


He doesn't play high tempo or attractive football. If he does given his stats he's not just bad at it he's bloody awful.
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« Reply #2122 on: May 16, 2019, 03:40:34 PM »
Strikes me as speculative journalism to be honest. I would suggest that Simon Stone has been reading this forum and made a story out of it.

Even a chimp can work out that Hughton is available and may be on the Albion radar.

No 'a spokesperson from the club has confirmed....'etc, just his take on a blindingly obvious story.

The Telegraphs John Percy, who is normally reliable and the nearest to a club spokesperson we have  ;) has written that the board will be meeting with Hughton next week, but as for the other names,  I suspect you are right,lazy journalism!
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« Reply #2123 on: May 16, 2019, 04:23:53 PM »
Is biesla too far fetched?

I would say so, why would he leave Leeds and come here?

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« Reply #2124 on: May 16, 2019, 04:25:57 PM »
I would say so, why would he leave Leeds and come here?

because he has been sacked ?  It wouldn't surprise me at leeds.
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