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Offline Nice1Cyrille

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« Reply #1025 on: April 02, 2019, 08:58:51 PM »
It is just possible (while of course making no allegations) that an aura of corruption surrounds one of the candidates this thread has been discussing - of wheeler dealing, back-handers and agents' fees.
I can't comprehend why we would take the person given our DoF business model.
Nevertheless the club is bigger than the team + manager - it's us no matter what division.  I would just have to turn my support down a notch until he moved himself on.
Again no allegations being made but I always wondered if there was an under the table transfer when Burke signed for a former manager of this club. Then he rarely gave him a place on the bench.

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« Reply #1026 on: April 02, 2019, 09:08:25 PM »
Not a fan of Allardyce but I don’t think he’s anywhere near as bad as Pulis. He’s had many more top half finishes and I don’t think the football is as bad. In one of Pulis’ seasons we failed to have a single shot on goal in 7/38 games (14/15 I think?). Can’t be as negative as that.

I’d be as confident as it’s possible to be that we’d get promoted if he had a full pre-season, etc. Don’t know what it would mean for the academy and club/fan relations though. Wouldnt be a progressive appointment in those respects.

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« Reply #1027 on: April 02, 2019, 09:57:53 PM »
Those of you saying Allardyce to end of the season that is not how he works we would be stuck with the barstool for next season come what may and paying handsomely for the privilege. Allardyce's sole redeeming feature is that he is not quite as bad as Pulis or put it another way Pulis' one use is to make Allardyce look okay.

Seriously if we want a dinosaur let's just get Rowett he would be cheaper and no worse. 
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« Reply #1028 on: April 02, 2019, 10:26:31 PM »
Didnt he once say he would never manage WBA?
Good lets hope he keeps his word the doghead

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« Reply #1029 on: April 03, 2019, 09:33:02 AM »
Allardyce? Just no. We've had two of the Cro Magnon brigade in the last few years, let's never do that again.

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« Reply #1030 on: April 03, 2019, 11:16:52 AM »

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Understand #wbafc senior players have told the club’s bosses they’re v happy with the job James Shan is doing, and there’s no urgent need to appoint a new manager. More experienced coaches have been spoken to in case Shan feels he needs more support as Albion near the play offs.


Roughly translated as Brunt & Morrison are now back in the team so all is good at the training ground.

They were happy with Big Dave until he started leaving them out the team.
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« Reply #1031 on: April 03, 2019, 11:21:36 AM »
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Understand #wbafc senior players have told the club’s bosses they’re v happy with the job James Shan is doing, and there’s no urgent need to appoint a new manager. More experienced coaches have been spoken to in case Shan feels he needs more support as Albion near the play offs.


Roughly translated as Brunt & Morrison are now back in the team so all is good at the training ground.

They were happy with Big Dave until he started leaving them out the team.


This is very annoying. The senior players should have no bloody say in who the manager is they are paid employees of West Bromwich Albion and are very well paid to do their job regardless of who the manager is.

The sooner these senior players are out of the club the better, whoever they are!

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« Reply #1032 on: April 03, 2019, 11:36:38 AM »
Agreed. Time for the old boys to move on. All they need to worry about are their performances on the pitch.

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« Reply #1033 on: April 03, 2019, 11:38:50 AM »
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Understand #wbafc senior players have told the club’s bosses they’re v happy with the job James Shan is doing, and there’s no urgent need to appoint a new manager. More experienced coaches have been spoken to in case Shan feels he needs more support as Albion near the play offs.


Roughly translated as Brunt & Morrison are now back in the team so all is good at the training ground.

They were happy with Big Dave until he started leaving them out the team.

Who are we classing as the 'senior' players.

People obviously naming Brunt and Morrison but would that be it, or does the list go further, are we talking Dawson, Livermore, Gibbs, Phillips, Barry?

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« Reply #1034 on: April 03, 2019, 11:40:07 AM »
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Understand #wbafc senior players have told the club’s bosses they’re v happy with the job James Shan is doing, and there’s no urgent need to appoint a new manager. More experienced coaches have been spoken to in case Shan feels he needs more support as Albion near the play offs.


Roughly translated as Brunt & Morrison are now back in the team so all is good at the training ground.

They were happy with Big Dave until he started leaving them out the team.
they publicly supported Dave while Shan was the assistant, I don’t remember them being vocal while Jones was here and Shan was pushed back a bit.
I agree it’s almost certainly because they are back in the team but it could just be they like how Shan does things too.

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« Reply #1035 on: April 03, 2019, 12:38:45 PM »
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Understand #wbafc senior players have told the club’s bosses they’re v happy with the job James Shan is doing, and there’s no urgent need to appoint a new manager. More experienced coaches have been spoken to in case Shan feels he needs more support as Albion near the play offs.


Roughly translated as Brunt & Morrison are now back in the team so all is good at the training ground.

They were happy with Big Dave until he started leaving them out the team.

Another reason why the likes of Brunt and Morrison should be got rid of.

Their say and influence is far too powerful, in my view.
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« Reply #1036 on: April 03, 2019, 12:41:07 PM »
The story on Sky Sports website https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/11682979/west-brom-to-stick-with-caretaker-boss-james-shan-for-foreseeable-future

Albion have won all three games since Shan took over from Darren Moore four weeks ago, and SSN understands the club's hierarchy have been influenced by senior players. They have taken on more responsibility and are happy with the current coaching set-up.

There is a core group of players that has needed breaking up for a long time. Moore sanded the edges off, but we need somebody to shake them out of this 'go along to get along' mentality.

Wait until Shan does something they don't like, he'll be out on his ear too.

Sounds like the tail is wagging the dog.

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« Reply #1037 on: April 03, 2019, 12:49:25 PM »

This is very annoying. The senior players should have no bloody say in who the manager is they are paid employees of West Bromwich Albion and are very well paid to do their job regardless of who the manager is.

The sooner these senior players are out of the club the better, whoever they are!
I am not too sure that I agrre with the last statement.
The sentiment as a whole is there, and I agree.
Basically players are just that... players employed to do a job (as we all are in work), we can voice our opinions and have a spokesman..but that is it.

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« Reply #1038 on: April 03, 2019, 12:57:07 PM »
Time to drain the swamp this summer. Odemwingie said the dressing room was toxic and had a bullying culture and nothing’s changed.

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« Reply #1039 on: April 03, 2019, 01:18:32 PM »
What multi million pound business let’s its employees tell it who should be manager. As others have stated it’s  becoming jncreasingly obvious the tail wags the dog .

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« Reply #1040 on: April 03, 2019, 01:22:24 PM »
footballers  running the show then, its why i have given up. player power sucks
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« Reply #1041 on: April 03, 2019, 01:26:23 PM »
What multi million pound business let’s its employees tell it who should be manager. As others have stated it’s  becoming jncreasingly obvious the tail wags the dog .
how many multi million pound businesses have a product that basically IS their employees?
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« Reply #1042 on: April 03, 2019, 01:44:15 PM »
how many multi million pound businesses have a product that basically IS their employees?

Beat me to it.

They're not employees, they are the product, that everybody pays to watch.

If it's working, leave it alone. I imagine Luke Dowling is monitoring the situation daily, & it makes sense to ask the advice of senior players.
It's a strategic decision to leave JS in place to the end of the season, I've seen no other reports that says "until further notice".
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« Reply #1043 on: April 03, 2019, 02:07:55 PM »
Yes I agree, players these days see themselves (rightfully) as mini-businesses - leasing their services to clubs for a period of time. If we're savvy we'll buy them for lowish fees and sell them on for more but we've just so happened to have half a team of players who are ageing and won't fetch that much in sales if anything plus they're generally taking up big wages (no disrespect intended to Brunt , Morrison, Livermore, HRK, Barry for example who in the main have offered good service).

They key for us to get a manager next season who can properly develop this handful of talented kids we have into a good team for the next few years whilst moving out the older higher earners and helping Dowling to buy good enough replacements who we can also develop and move on for more in the future.

We simply need a bloody good coach who has a track record of developing youngsters.............. and give them at least a bit of time.....for a change?

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« Reply #1044 on: April 03, 2019, 02:55:38 PM »
Yes I agree, players these days see themselves (rightfully) as mini-businesses - leasing their services to clubs for a period of time. If we're savvy we'll buy them for lowish fees and sell them on for more but we've just so happened to have half a team of players who are ageing and won't fetch that much in sales if anything plus they're generally taking up big wages (no disrespect intended to Brunt , Morrison, Livermore, HRK, Barry for example who in the main have offered good service).

They key for us to get a manager next season who can properly develop this handful of talented kids we have into a good team for the next few years whilst moving out the older higher earners and helping Dowling to buy good enough replacements who we can also develop and move on for more in the future.

We simply need a bloody good coach who has a track record of developing youngsters.............. and give them at least a bit of time.....for a change?

First name that came to mind that we could 'afford' was the Bristol City coach. Surprised his name hasn't popped up since DM's sacking. Doesn't have a lot of money to spend yet they always seem to be in and around the play offs.

From a business perspective, we need to be looking at Brentford in my opinion. Doesn't matter who the head coach is there, they play a good style of football and have an identity about what they are trying to do, especially on a small budget.
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« Reply #1045 on: April 03, 2019, 03:54:59 PM »
Reported target Alex Neil is quoted as having said that he has no intention of leaving Preston and is already making plans for next season.
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« Reply #1046 on: April 03, 2019, 04:49:07 PM »
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Understand #wbafc senior players have told the club’s bosses they’re v happy with the job James Shan is doing, and there’s no urgent need to appoint a new manager. More experienced coaches have been spoken to in case Shan feels he needs more support as Albion near the play offs.


Roughly translated as Brunt & Morrison are now back in the team so all is good at the training ground.

They were happy with Big Dave until he started leaving them out the team.

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« Reply #1047 on: April 03, 2019, 06:30:28 PM »
Begs the question who is exactly running the club! It seems to me that Brunt seems to have a lot of influence.

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« Reply #1048 on: April 03, 2019, 06:37:22 PM »
Brunt/Morrison joint manager role next season.😇

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« Reply #1049 on: April 03, 2019, 06:56:26 PM »
Brunt/Morrison joint manager role next season.😇
They already have the role mate ;)
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