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« on: January 17, 2019, 07:03:58 PM »
If the Duke is found out to have caused the accident, will he be prosecuted in the Queen's royal courts?

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« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2019, 07:40:04 PM »
If the Duke is found out to have caused the accident, will he be prosecuted in the Queen's royal courts?

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« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2019, 07:51:51 PM »
He shouldn’t be driving at his age. In any event he should have enough common sense not to do so.

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« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2019, 08:02:33 PM »
I trust that he was breathalyzed as I understand that this is common procedure when police attend a traffic collision nowadays?

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« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2019, 08:31:28 PM »
Standard practice,all drivers are breathalysed in a vehicle crash.

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« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2019, 08:39:58 PM »
Police say he was breathalysed at the scene. Bet that was fun, i still think it would have been swept under the carpet if he was over.

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« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2019, 09:49:05 PM »
He shouldn’t be driving at his age. In any event he should have enough common sense not to do so.
Why shouldn't he? It is perfectly legal.

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« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2019, 11:18:50 PM »
I saw the title and thought politics was banned. Just caught up on accident that occured, something in the air two old dears have tried to force me into an accident today.
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« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2019, 07:48:24 PM »
Police say he was breathalysed at the scene. Bet that was fun, i still think it would have been swept under the carpet if he was over.

I think it's fair to say you could bet your house on that!

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« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2019, 06:21:28 PM »
Why shouldn't he? It is perfectly legal.

Although perfectly legal I do believe we should be looking into bringing in a test for people every so often for those over a certain age to make sure they are still up to driving.
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« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2019, 06:54:22 PM »
Although perfectly legal I do believe we should be looking into bringing in a test for people every so often for those over a certain age to make sure they are still up to driving.
I totally agree. I have said this for some years, and I am 70 now.
Should have to pass the theory test every 6 years and an actual road test every 3 when their licence comes up for renewal.

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« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2019, 08:44:05 PM »
It would appear, from Government Statistics, that Prince Phillip is in an age group that are the safest drivers on the road

“It is clear to see from data released by Gov.uk last year, that drivers aged 20–29 pose the most risk on our roads. With dramatically higher figures than any other age group, drivers in their twenties were last year involved in 20,841 road incidents of all severities – considerably higher than any other age group and drastically greater than road incidents of all severities involving drivers aged 70–79 (3,254) and road incidents involving drivers aged 80 and over (1,939.)”
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« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2019, 09:00:14 PM »
It would appear, from Government Statistics, that Prince Phillip is in an age group that are the safest drivers on the road

“It is clear to see from data released by Gov.uk last year, that drivers aged 20–29 pose the most risk on our roads. With dramatically higher figures than any other age group, drivers in their twenties were last year involved in 20,841 road incidents of all severities – considerably higher than any other age group and drastically greater than road incidents of all severities involving drivers aged 70–79 (3,254) and road incidents involving drivers aged 80 and over (1,939.)”

Totally unsurprised by these statistics.

Does somebody who has had a clean driving license for 50+ years deserve to be subject to completely alien theory and practical tests because of their age? When a 17 year old could cause a major accident 6 months into their license and not have any of those sorts of consequences.

Then there's the issue of drink drivers and those under the influence of drugs. If caught once should they not be subject to more stringent punishments? In my experience those who will drive under over the legal limit, don't stop after being caught once and they are arguably the most dangerous on the roads.

Medicals, fair enough. Something along a fit to drive aptitude, whereby someone demonstrates their ability to drive in much less of a test environment... fair enough.

People who think that anyone would ever fail a Royal subject to these mind... well...

Plus. Why is it that it takes Prince Phillip to cause a non-fatal crash to explore this and not an everyday occurrence that gets far less publicity?

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« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2019, 09:02:47 PM »
I would imagine there are far more 20-29 year olds driving many more miles than the 80-99 year old demographic... Stats hey?
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« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2019, 09:30:07 PM »
I would imagine there are far more 20-29 year olds driving many more miles than the 80-99 year old demographic... Stats hey?

And then of course there are these stats

“What’s more, though drivers aged 17-19 only make up 1.5% of UK license holders; they are involved in 9% of fatal crashes where they are the driver – and altogether, drivers under the age of 25 cause 85% of all ‘serious injury’ accidents therefore, disproportionally effecting insurance claims. In fact, last year, a report by the Department for Transport released statistics detailing the number of fatalities and killed or seriously injured collision cases involving young car drivers specifically (aged 17 – 24-years-old), which altogether amounted to 4,561 incidents. ”

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« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2019, 09:36:39 PM »
And then of course there are these stats

“What’s more, though drivers aged 17-19 only make up 1.5% of UK license holders; they are involved in 9% of fatal crashes where they are the driver – and altogether, drivers under the age of 25 cause 85% of all ‘serious injury’ accidents therefore, disproportionally effecting insurance claims. In fact, last year, a report by the Department for Transport released statistics detailing the number of fatalities and killed or seriously injured collision cases involving young car drivers specifically (aged 17 – 24-years-old), which altogether amounted to 4,561 incidents. ”


Ah totally different parameters. Love a bit of whataboutery!!
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« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2019, 09:41:16 PM »
My nan stopped driving last year at the age of 91, didn't want to but had to as she went into the back of someone. It could have been nasty as she in our opinion was not fit to drive but wouldn't listen at all, luckily no-one was hurt only her pride really, the car was practically a right off but not quite and that was the way we got her to stop by telling her it was not safe to use anymore.

Her GP did not once declare her unfit to drive despite her having heart problems with a pacemaker fitted etc. Maybe time for anyone of that age to have regular medical checks to see if they are actually fit to keep their licence.
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« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2019, 09:45:47 PM »

Ah totally different parameters. Love a bit of whataboutery!!

I would have thought the common link between the two sets of stats was fairly clear, obviously not. Ah well never mind eh  ;D
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« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2019, 09:52:43 PM »
My nan stopped driving last year at the age of 91, didn't want to but had to as she went into the back of someone. It could have been nasty as she in our opinion was not fit to drive but wouldn't listen at all, luckily no-one was hurt only her pride really, the car was practically a right off but not quite and that was the way we got her to stop by telling her it was not safe to use anymore.

Her GP did not once declare her unfit to drive despite her having heart problems with a pacemaker fitted etc. Maybe time for anyone of that age to have regular medical checks to see if they are actually fit to keep their licence.

This is definitely the way to go in my opinion.

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« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2019, 09:58:32 PM »
My nan stopped driving last year at the age of 91, didn't want to but had to as she went into the back of someone. It could have been nasty as she in our opinion was not fit to drive but wouldn't listen at all, luckily no-one was hurt only her pride really, the car was practically a right off but not quite and that was the way we got her to stop by telling her it was not safe to use anymore.

Her GP did not once declare her unfit to drive despite her having heart problems with a pacemaker fitted etc. Maybe time for anyone of that age to have regular medical checks to see if they are actually fit to keep their licence.

My father-in-law, who is 92, reluctantly, gave up driving last year. I understand it’s a big thing for older people as it’s stripping away another layer of their independence making them feel useless, well that’s how he felt. Fortunately, he eventually agreed it was the best thing for everyone. But he still yearns for his car and the independence it provided him with.
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« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2019, 10:34:44 PM »
Norfolk police have spoken to the 92 year old today after he was filmed driving yesterday without a seatbelt,
If he had a burberry cap and was 23 years old they would more than "talk to him"

Shouldn't be driving on the public highway, cavalier attitude from him and those around him IMO
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« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2019, 10:40:08 PM »
Norfolk police have spoken to the 92 year old today after he was filmed driving yesterday without a seatbelt,
If he had a burberry cap and was 23 years old they would more than "talk to him"

Shouldn't be driving on the public highway, cavalier attitude from him and those around him IMO


Aye, also despite it not being reported it seems quite obvious he's pulled out into an oncoming vehicle.
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« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2019, 10:42:09 PM »

Aye, also despite it not being reported it seems quite obvious he's pulled out into an oncoming vehicle.

yes, very lucky he hasn't killed some innocents
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« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2019, 07:39:15 AM »
Shows a massive degree of arrogance. Lucky not to have killed the people in the oncoming vehicle, and back driving the day after... with no seatbelt! No consideration of the safety of others.  I thought you got points on your licence for no seatbelt?  Big fan of the royals generally, but everyone needs to obey the same rules. 

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« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2019, 02:02:35 PM »
Any one else finding it all a bit 'off' about someone constanly chasing being in the public domain because they were in a car accident with a minor royal?

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« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2019, 02:23:22 PM »
Any one else finding it aa bit 'off' about someone constanly chasing being in the public domain because they were in a car accident with a minor royal?

Pound to a penny there is someone from a red top rag pulling her strings in the background in exchange for some cash

Good luck to her. Phillip is only in the papers because of who his wife is.
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« Reply #26 on: January 21, 2019, 05:41:43 PM »
Shows a massive degree of arrogance. Lucky not to have killed the people in the oncoming vehicle, and back driving the day after... with no seatbelt! No consideration of the safety of others.  I thought you got points on your licence for no seatbelt?  Big fan of the royals generally, but everyone needs to obey the same rules.

Most ordinary subjects would be a month wrangling with their insurance company getting a replacement car, let alone a bespoke top of the range prince mobile.

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« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2019, 08:29:28 PM »
Most ordinary subjects would be a month wrangling with their insurance company getting a replacement car, let alone a bespoke top of the range prince mobile.
Apparently the one he wrote off was an armoured car, hence he only got minimal injuries, would they have another one of them on standby just in case?
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« Reply #28 on: January 22, 2019, 11:42:24 AM »
Any one else finding it all a bit 'off' about someone constanly chasing being in the public domain because they were in a car accident with a minor royal?

Pound to a penny there is someone from a red top rag pulling her strings in the background in exchange for some cash

Not sure the Queens husband can be described as a minor royal! Didn't they just highlight the fact that they hadn't received an apology?

Sadly though I'm sure you are right about someone from a red top being involved.
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« Reply #29 on: January 22, 2019, 11:52:16 AM »
Whilst I have no time for the Royals, I have even less time for people coming out and saying this and that because a royal was involved. We would never know about this accident if it were not for HRH.

No doubt the compensation word will be mentioned soon.
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« Reply #30 on: January 22, 2019, 02:41:00 PM »
I believe from reading this thread there is, in some quarters, a misguided concept that because younger drivers cover more miles per year they are, as a result, more likely to be involved in more accidents, I suspect that is based on guesswork rather than fact. Purporting guesswork is disingenuous to the older motorists. In fact, young car drivers made up 18% of all drivers involved in reported car accidents in 2013 and is considerably higher than the 5% of miles they account for.

So, for those requiring context and perspective, according to research and a report from The Department of Transport published in June 2015 the guesswork mentioned previously has not a shred of factual legitimacy, quite the opposite is true. (See the link below) The figures contained in the report are illuminating in many aspects and the trend suggest that younger drivers reported road accident figures have fallen significantly since 1990’s from 90,000 accidents down to 30,000 per year and there are many reasons for this.

All things being equal, at the time a driver takes out his motor insurance, who pays the highest insurance premiums? It’s the younger drivers and there is a reason for that. To have an opinion that older motorist are lesser drivers than younger drivers is, in my opinion, a flawed concept as the statistics prove. Research shows that younger driver’s reactions times whilst driving are faster  than older people, but the combination of youth and inexperience puts younger drivers at higher risk. Their inexperience means they have less ability to spot hazards, and their youth means they are particularly likely to take risks. In this way, crash risk reduces over time with age and experience.

I’m not saying that the time isn’t approaching when Prince Phillip should consider hanging up his driving gloves, but statistical he is less of a risk than younger drivers aged 17 to 24 years of age and statistically less likely to kill another road user.

it is also worth noting that,

1)   Young and novice drivers are overrepresented in road collisions in Great Britain (GB) and worldwide.
2)   22% of fatalities on GB's roads in 2011 occurred in collisions involving a driver aged 17 to 24 years old.
3)   In 65% of these collisions the fatal injuries were sustained by passengers or road users other than the young driver.

I’m sure even Mark Twain would have conceded these stats are not bolstering a weak argument, they support robust data and facts, stats hey?

The point of all this? Individually there are good drivers and not so good drivers and any age group or gender group doesn’t necessarily have a monopoly either way and it would be wrong to think they do in my opinion

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https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/448039/young-car-drivers-2013-data.pdf
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« Reply #31 on: January 22, 2019, 02:55:21 PM »
I believe from reading this thread there is, in some quarters, a misguided concept that because younger drivers cover more miles per year they are, as a result, more likely to be involved in more accidents, I suspect that is based on guesswork rather than fact. Purporting guesswork is disingenuous to the older motorists. In fact, young car drivers made up 18% of all drivers involved in reported car accidents in 2013 and is considerably higher than the 5% of miles they account for.

So, for those requiring context and perspective, according to research and a report from The Department of Transport published in June 2015 the guesswork mentioned previously has not a shred of factual legitimacy, quite the opposite is true. (See the link below) The figures contained in the report are illuminating in many aspects and the trend suggest that younger drivers reported road accident figures have fallen significantly since 1990’s from 90,000 accidents down to 30,000 per year and there are many reasons for this.

All things being equal, at the time a driver takes out his motor insurance, who pays the highest insurance premiums? It’s the younger drivers and there is a reason for that. To have an opinion that older motorist are lesser drivers than younger drivers is, in my opinion, a flawed concept as the statistics prove. Research shows that younger driver’s reactions times whilst driving are faster  than older people, but the combination of youth and inexperience puts younger drivers at higher risk. Their inexperience means they have less ability to spot hazards, and their youth means they are particularly likely to take risks. In this way, crash risk reduces over time with age and experience.

I’m not saying that the time isn’t approaching when Prince Phillip should consider hanging up his driving gloves, but statistical he is less of a risk than younger drivers aged 17 to 24 years of age and statistically less likely to kill another road user.

it is also worth noting that,

1)   Young and novice drivers are overrepresented in road collisions in Great Britain (GB) and worldwide.
2)   22% of fatalities on GB's roads in 2011 occurred in collisions involving a driver aged 17 to 24 years old.
3)   In 65% of these collisions the fatal injuries were sustained by passengers or road users other than the young driver.

I’m sure even Mark Twain would have conceded these stats are not bolstering a weak argument, they support robust data and facts, stats hey?

The point of all this? Individually there are good drivers and not so good drivers and any age group or gender group doesn’t necessarily have a monopoly either way and it would be wrong to think they do in my opinion

I’ll jog on to something new now, bye!

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/448039/young-car-drivers-2013-data.pdf

you cannot say gender isn't an issue and then use insurance premiums as part of your argument,

females pay less than men, so gender is a factor, at least according to the insurance industry.

So on the basis of this little old ladies are the safest drivers ?!!   :-\ :-[ :-\
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« Reply #32 on: January 22, 2019, 03:01:09 PM »
you cannot say gender isn't an issue and then use insurance premiums as part of your argument,

females pay less than men, so gender is a factor, at least according to the insurance industry.

So on the basis of this little old ladies are the safest drivers ?!!   :-\ :-[ :-\

Did you read the report?

And where did I say gender wasn't an issue?
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« Reply #33 on: January 22, 2019, 03:35:52 PM »
The problem for old people giving up driving is that in many parts of the country (i.e. not London and other big cities) public transport is abysmal and there really is no alternative unless you want to live a very constricted existence and spend a long time waiting for buses or trains that are late or cancelled.  Not looking forward to it.
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« Reply #34 on: January 22, 2019, 03:39:19 PM »
Did you read the report?

And where did I say gender wasn't an issue?

and any age group or gender group doesn’t necessarily have a monopoly either way and it would be wrong to think they do in my opinion
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« Reply #35 on: January 22, 2019, 03:44:52 PM »
and any age group or gender group doesn’t necessarily have a monopoly either way and it would be wrong to think they do in my opinion

I think had you quoted all the sentence "The point of all this? Individually there are good drivers and not so good drivers and any age group or gender group doesn’t necessarily have a monopoly either way and it would be wrong to think they do in my opinion" that should give the context you seek
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« Reply #36 on: January 22, 2019, 03:53:29 PM »
I think had you quoted all the sentence "The point of all this? Individually there are good drivers and not so good drivers and any age group or gender group doesn’t necessarily have a monopoly either way and it would be wrong to think they do in my opinion" that should give the context you seek

I thought the general tenant of your point was that people have been incorrectly thinking that old = accident and you posited that insurance premiums would argue otherwise, if I got that wrong i apologise.  You old fart  :D
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« Reply #37 on: January 22, 2019, 04:12:04 PM »
I thought the general tenant of your point was that people have been incorrectly thinking that old = accident and you posited that insurance premiums would argue otherwise, if I got that wrong i apologise.  You old fart  :D

Yes, that was the general theme. The Insurance Premiums bit is fact, younger people, in generally, pay higher premiums because insurance companies consider them a higher risk, do you think that I've incorrectly stated that? However, I think if you read the whole of the report in the link it does unquestionably support that younger people, pro rata, have a higher proportion of accidents than older drivers.

In the sentence you queried towards the end of the post, I wa referring to "individuals" of all age groups and genders making the point that there are good drivers and not so good drivers in all groups. Hope that clarifies the points for you, "your young  flatulenceship"  ;D
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« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2019, 09:19:58 PM »
Prince Philip has voluntarily surrendered his driver's license, Buckingham Palace said in a statement weeks after the 97-year-old was involved in a car crash

Sensible move
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« Reply #39 on: February 09, 2019, 09:22:50 PM »
Prince Philip has voluntarily surrendered his driver's license, Buckingham Palace said in a statement weeks after the 97-year-old was involved in a car crash

Sensible move


Apparently Gareth Barry is going to be driving him round after he hangs up his boots  ;D
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« Reply #40 on: February 09, 2019, 10:15:27 PM »
Prince Philip has voluntarily surrendered his driver's license, Buckingham Palace said in a statement weeks after the 97-year-old was involved in a car crash

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« Reply #41 on: February 14, 2019, 11:10:16 AM »
I see the police are taking no further action against Phil the Greek
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« Reply #42 on: February 14, 2019, 12:43:09 PM »
I see the police are taking no further action against Phil the Greek
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« Reply #43 on: February 14, 2019, 04:16:46 PM »
Did we expect anything else?

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« Reply #44 on: February 14, 2019, 05:21:36 PM »
Did we expect anything else?

In fairness I wouldn't expect them to treat any other 97 year old differently.

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Re: Car crash
« Reply #45 on: April 17, 2019, 05:06:40 PM »
Prince Philip crash victim who criticised royal after collision faces driving charges

Should have kept her mouth closed, the Tower awaits

Spoiler, the charges are not related to the accident with HRH in January, but why spoil a good headline with truth and facts

Source: https://news.sky.com/story/prince-philip-crash-victim-who-criticised-royal-after-collision-faces-driving-charges-11696382
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« Reply #46 on: April 18, 2019, 05:54:15 AM »
Well, I hope she's going to apologize for putting the public at danger..................

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Re: Car crash
« Reply #47 on: May 29, 2019, 11:46:35 AM »
A woman who criticised the Duke of Edinburgh after their cars collided near Sandringham has been banned from driving for six months

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« Reply #48 on: May 29, 2019, 12:20:20 PM »
A woman who criticised the Duke of Edinburgh after their cars collided near Sandringham has been banned from driving for six months

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Totally unrelated, she has been done for 2 cases of speeding and failing to identify the driver in each case, both well before the accident with Prince Philip. Only got herself to blame.
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« Reply #49 on: May 29, 2019, 12:23:44 PM »
Totally unrelated, she has been done for 2 cases of speeding and failing to identify the driver in each case, both well before the accident with Prince Philip. Only got herself to blame.

Yes you are correct and a link to those case is included in one of my posts above
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