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Offline TheJacko2000

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #50 on: January 12, 2019, 07:31:24 PM »
I did

Put myhill or bond in and we look more secure


To be fair you used to advocate Myhill over Foster so......
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #51 on: January 12, 2019, 07:32:47 PM »
Moore lovers or Moore haters .....rubbish, the only way anybody progresses is the ability to learn from mistakes and make the correct decisions

We are not in a bad position but that does not mean he is without faults
Brunt was better today, but he couldn't have been worse, he's not a CM ...stop it
Harper played v well, after the match Moore said he has no issues playing the youth....actions/words
Gayle, easily our best finisher, he was central for the goal, you do not play him wide to accommodate Rodriguez, sell Rodriguez if anyone comes in
Midfield was getting leggy, we had field, hoolahan and Leko that could have come on at 65-75 to give us a push....no, we sit till the 92nd minute to get Leko on

Back 4 look ok, holgate and Gibbs are our best fullback pairing for some time
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That keeper is atrouscious , Gibbs told him so too...dreadful

Don't expect to see Phillips again, but not that bothered, honestly felt last3/4 matches him and Barnes played , they were starting to be found out , I hope we are looking at some good options, but I wouldn't let Moore loose with a chequebook.

Why not? Anything's possible I guess, but it would take a large fee (£15-20m I would have thought to have a chance of signing him) and I'm skeptical if he would risk a move to a Prem team in a relegation battle as there would be as much chance of relegation come May than there is of Albion getting promoted.

Selling him without bringing in a suitable replacement after also losing Barnes would be a disaster.

Moore's only questionable signing has been Bartley, his other moves have in my opinion been at least shrewd and in many cases very successful.

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #52 on: January 12, 2019, 07:37:57 PM »
Lack of game management cost us again, Moore again has to take the blame for two points dropped. Don't see any coaching from the sidelines can someone tell him it's football not tennis.  ???

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #53 on: January 12, 2019, 07:43:50 PM »
Lack of game management cost us again, Moore again has to take the blame for two points dropped. Don't see any coaching from the sidelines can someone tell him it's football not tennis.  ???


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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #54 on: January 12, 2019, 07:47:05 PM »
Same old problem.  Coach seems frozen like a rabbit in the headlights when changes are required to his tiring midfield.  He could have added Field to it to play out time but I might have tried Hoolahan for Brunt as he can turn with the ball and had a point to prove.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #55 on: January 12, 2019, 07:52:57 PM »
Same old problem.  Coach seems frozen like a rabbit in the headlights when changes are required to his tiring midfield.  He could have added Field to it to play out time but I might have tried Hoolahan for Brunt as he can turn with the ball and had a point to prove.


Field in place of who? Brunt? Then you have two youngsters in CM, one who was tiring at a critical stage of the game against a team famous for late goals. If you replace Harper you then have three left footers in the middle of the park. Neither scenario's are ideal.

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #56 on: January 12, 2019, 08:00:43 PM »
Disappointed not to take the three points after the way we started but that's a decent Norwich side and they really came back into it second half. 

Our back four now looks well balanced and Hegazi is an outstanding defender at this level - I'll hold back on the "best defense in the division" platitudes until we actually start keeping clean sheets.  Holgate impressed on debut then seemed to lose his head a little second half, pulled it back though.

Barry very good but I don't think he can play a full 90 as players seem to be able to just run past him after about 80 minutes.

Brunt.  Love his effort and an real Albion man but what are our win stats with him in a three?  Tbf we had no other choice really as we had lost Phillips and Mozza late in addition to Livermore.  No way Darren Moore was going to play Harper and Field together.

Harper - Steady with some very good moments.   Real potential at this level.

Gayle - with him we have a chance of top 2.  Without him the play offs are the best we can hope for.  Only natural finisher in club.   2 decent chances scored one and missed one.

Jrod and HRK - both worked hard. Some good moments and some meh!

I'm a Darren Moore fan but would agree that a change was needed before they scored as the goal was coming.  This team should be good enough defensively but cannot seem to dig deep and just keep em out, so a change was needed just to try and disrupt the Norwich impetus.  Once the changes were made we nearly went on again to win it.

Overall..... Disappointing but fairish result.  Decent performance with elements of good.  Hate to say it but with Barnes we may have one that today.  Oh well.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #57 on: January 12, 2019, 08:06:17 PM »
Looks like my hills finished here now but would take him in a heartbeat over Johnstone.maybe he will come good now Walsh his old mentor is now in the building.not holdingy breath on it though

Johnstone seems to get some pretty harsh criticism.  Chap behind me was irritated that he was only pushing saves away out of danger and not catching them as "Foster would have done" baffling.

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #58 on: January 12, 2019, 08:07:50 PM »

If you actually believe this I don't know what to say.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #59 on: January 12, 2019, 08:18:20 PM »
Points dropped because our bench today was embarrassing- our squad is paper thin.

They made subs that fit them back in the game. Rhodes coming off our bench not theirs would have made all the difference

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #60 on: January 12, 2019, 08:39:40 PM »
Barry, Holgate and Harper all excellent. Gayle wasted out wide, should be in the middle. Dawson/ Hegazi solid. Johnstone needs to be taught how to hold a ball at times as a couple of shots he palmed away which seemed to be easier to hold.

Brunt the weak link in the middle, gave away too many stupid sloppy free kicks including 3 in the first 10 minutes, struggles to get around the pitch at times, needs replacing or playing in a role he can handle, the centre of the pitch is not that role.

Harper showed why Darren Moore needs to trust the youngsters, he handled it today and showed he is capable of playing in this division yet if not for injuries and suspensions he would have been sat on the bench again.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #61 on: January 12, 2019, 08:39:57 PM »
What changes do people think Daren should have done in the second half? No Morrison, Livermore or Phillips already one debutant on the pitch and no real old heads to come on and keep things tight at the back. As the older players bench players are attacking.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #62 on: January 12, 2019, 09:11:55 PM »
Disappointed with the draw but as others have said, no Barnes or Phillips as well as missing Morrison and Livermore means we should be pleased with the result. We are still right in the mix but we need to get those couple of players in that Moore is comfortable with using as he hasn't been overly comfortable with utilising the bench all season. I think as the rest of the season unfolds, we'll see just how important bringing in someone capable of attacking from the right back position was as we look far more balanced.

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #63 on: January 12, 2019, 09:41:55 PM »

To be fair you used to advocate Myhill over Foster so......
Yes and you think brunt is still ok...so....
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #64 on: January 12, 2019, 09:44:27 PM »
Barry, Holgate and Harper all excellent. Gayle wasted out wide, should be in the middle. Dawson/ Hegazi solid. Johnstone needs to be taught how to hold a ball at times as a couple of shots he palmed away which seemed to be easier to hold.

Brunt the weak link in the middle, gave away too many stupid sloppy free kicks including 3 in the first 10 minutes, struggles to get around the pitch at times, needs replacing or playing in a role he can handle, the centre of the pitch is not that role.

Harper showed why Darren Moore needs to trust the youngsters, he handled it today and showed he is capable of playing in this division yet if not for injuries and suspensions he would have been sat on the bench again.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #65 on: January 12, 2019, 09:47:56 PM »
What changes do people think Daren should have done in the second half? No Morrison, Livermore or Phillips already one debutant on the pitch and no real old heads to come on and keep things tight at the back. As the older players bench players are attacking.
Well there are two answers
1) Leko,field,hoolahan ...1-2-3 of those for the last 20 minutes could have been given a specif brief to either sit (field maybe hoolahan) or stretch (Leko) to take the pressure away
2) if he genuinely knows what he's doing, please ella me what you think he was doing putting Leko on at 92 mins ....because I can't work it out?
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #66 on: January 12, 2019, 09:57:50 PM »
Well there are two answers
1) Leko,field,hoolahan ...1-2-3 of those for the last 20 minutes could have been given a specif brief to either sit (field maybe hoolahan) or stretch (Leko) to take the pressure away
2) if he genuinely knows what he's doing, please ella me what you think he was doing putting Leko on at 92 mins ....because I can't work it out?


Not surprising  ;D   ;)


Field isn't good enough and hasn't got the pace to have altered midfield. Hoolahan isn't a midfielder. Leko is raw (and never going to come on with us only 1 nil up and the front 3 still causing problems).
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #67 on: January 12, 2019, 10:06:45 PM »

Not surprising  ;D   ;)


Field isn't good enough and hasn't got the pace to have altered midfield. Hoolahan isn't a midfielder. Leko is raw (and never going to come on with us only 1 nil up and the front 3 still causing problems).

Bit confused by this given he is actually a midfielder and has spent all his career as a midfielder with the probable only exception being where he played part of the game at centre forward last week against Wigan.

Totally disagree about Field as well, was good enough in the Prem last season when called upon and its only this season he's struggled after being messed around as much as he has. Needs a loan move and the club need to allow it.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #68 on: January 12, 2019, 10:11:11 PM »
Bit confused by this given he is actually a midfielder and has spent all his career as a midfielder with the probable only exception being where he played part of the game at centre forward last week against Wigan.

Totally disagree about Field as well, was good enough in the Prem last season when called upon and its only this season he's struggled after being messed around as much as he has. Needs a loan move and the club need to allow it.


Sorry, I meant not a midfielder in the traditional 3 we are playing. More of a no. 10/attacking midfielder.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #69 on: January 12, 2019, 10:19:27 PM »

Sorry, I meant not a midfielder in the traditional 3 we are playing. More of a no. 10/attacking midfielder.

I understand, thought you'd been on the sherry for a minute  :D
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« Reply #70 on: January 12, 2019, 10:31:13 PM »
I think we played better than usual today and most times would have won that game, but it just wasn't to be on the day.

Looking back, they had 2 big chances and scored 1; whereas we had about 5 and scored 1. Yes, it was sloppy defending from us (again) but Krul pulled off some fantastic saves.

My main positive was Holgate who was fantastic in both defence and attack. Hopefully we will look a bit more stable with him in the team.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #71 on: January 12, 2019, 11:37:29 PM »
We’re too over reliant on Gayle for goals and the genius management have pushed him wide, to his credit he’s still our most effective forward but not what he can be. Very impressed with Harper today. Looked like he’d been playing for years. Cool as ice in possession, passing was spot on and a few powerful bursts. More to come when his fitness improves.

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #72 on: January 13, 2019, 06:34:45 AM »
Watched it back on Quest and for me Johnstone has to stop that goal. Disappointing.

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #73 on: January 13, 2019, 09:36:03 AM »
Enjoyable game , annoying they only had two real chances and scored from one .  Holgate looks a cut above and a decent signing , thought Harper did well but tired later on as expected.
Credit to Moore for a decent performance minus Phillips , Barnes and Morrison although our strong left side looks a lot weaker now Gibbs / Barnes has been broken up.
Minus point for Moore though on not using his subs quick enough , everyone could see we needed to freshen things up although as I posted elsewhere theres not much on our bench when you look at Norwich's and they can bring Rhodes on .
Personally would have subbed HRK for Sako before they scored although I accept Gayle was most likely rushed back in the side so was subbed first.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #74 on: January 13, 2019, 01:39:02 PM »
I thought we was largely excellent to be honest - disappointed we never held on for all three points.

There is a lot of criticism for Moore not making substitutions and whilst there are merits to that argument, I thought by and large we were comfortable. I didn’t think we were under any sustained pressure and we more than handled whatever Norwich three at us

What cannot be excused is the sheer stupidness of Gayle to make that challenge. We should have defended the second ball better but it was such a stupid foul to give away

On the whole - I thought everyone played well. Holgate is a great addition and Harper played well.
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