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Offline kie the baggie

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« on: September 14, 2018, 11:05:04 PM »
On the back of tonights display:
           Johnstone
     Tosin Dawson Barry
         Field Livermore
Phillips.                    Gibbs
                 Barnes
             JRod    Gayle

Reality will be the same team as tonight

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« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2018, 11:01:34 AM »
Does anyone at the club read these forums? If so can you please knock on Darren Moore's door and please, please, please ask him to give Sam Field a run in the middle of the park. This is driving me nuts because the answer to our problem in there is right within the club and Darren just cannot see it.

Actually if anyone has a personal EMail address for Darren someone please let me have it. I've never even thought of contacting a manager before but I would politely ask for answers on this issue.

The other change I'd make is Adarabioyo for Bartley. I'm not certain if that's the answer but at least lets look at it. From what I've seen of Tosin so far he has far more natural ability than Bartley but can he play on the left of a three? One way to find out.


                                                Johnstone

                     Dawson               Hegazi                  Adarabioyo

Phillips                       Livermore             FIELD                             Gibbs

                                               Barnes

                                JRod / Burke / HRK?     Gayle.


Don't know who I'd play alongside Gayle.



Subs: Myhill, Bartley, Barry, Harper, Hoolahan, Brunt, JRod / Burke / HRK.

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« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2018, 12:01:37 PM »
I haven't seen Bristol City play last year so my team selection is based on the assumption that they will try and press us like they did against City in the League Cup last year:

Johnstone

Dawson
Hegazi
Barry

Phillips
Livermore
Brunt
Gibbs

Barnes

Burke
Gayle

Myhill, Adarabioyo, Mears, Townsend, Field, Hoolahan, Rodriguez

I worry about Phillips and/or Gibbs picking up and injury, hence Mears and Townsend on the bench. I know he has played as a forward for us but I do wonder whether Robson-Kanu could play rwb for us. He played wide plenty for Reading and looks disciplined enough to do his defensive work to me. If so, I'd have him on the bench ahead of Mears as he'd then cover rwb and cf.

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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2018, 06:40:07 PM »
If there aren't a couple of changes in the back 7 I'll be very surprised.  I also think he'll start HRK for Rodrigues.

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« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2018, 09:16:50 PM »
Does anyone at the club read these forums? If so can you please knock on Darren Moore's door and please, please, please ask him to give Sam Field a run in the middle of the park. This is driving me nuts because the answer to our problem in there is right within the club and Darren just cannot see it.

Actually if anyone has a personal EMail address for Darren someone please let me have it. I've never even thought of contacting a manager before but I would politely ask for answers on this issue.

The other change I'd make is Adarabioyo for Bartley. I'm not certain if that's the answer but at least lets look at it. From what I've seen of Tosin so far he has far more natural ability than Bartley but can he play on the left of a three? One way to find out.


                                                Johnstone

                     Dawson               Hegazi                  Adarabioyo

Phillips                       Livermore             FIELD                             Gibbs

                                               Barnes

                                JRod / Burke / HRK?     Gayle.


Don't know who I'd play alongside Gayle.



Subs: Myhill, Bartley, Barry, Harper, Hoolahan, Brunt, JRod / Burke / HRK.

I think there’s more to the whole Field thing can we know about, maybe he just isn’t good enough? Pulis, Pardew and now Moore aren’t picking him, but a lot of fans seem to hold him as the saviour to our midfield. For why it’s worth, I would prefer to see Harper get some game time in the middle. He he abit more about him.
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« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2018, 09:38:22 PM »
I think there’s more to the whole Field thing can we know about, maybe he just isn’t good enough? Pulis, Pardew and now Moore aren’t picking him, but a lot of fans seem to hold him as the saviour to our midfield. For why it’s worth, I would prefer to see Harper get some game time in the middle. He he abit more about him.
If Field isn't good enough why do we keep extending his contract and why does he keep getting in England age squads ? Also, how did he look pretty decent in the premier league ?

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« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2018, 11:06:10 PM »
I think there’s more to the whole Field thing can we know about, maybe he just isn’t good enough? Pulis, Pardew and now Moore aren’t picking him, but a lot of fans seem to hold him as the saviour to our midfield. For why it’s worth, I would prefer to see Harper get some game time in the middle. He he abit more about him.

Well he played in the first few games last season and did well, then Megson picked him in the two games he was in charge for and again Field did well yet not a sniff under Pardew or Moore which is a disgrace when we're awful in the centre of the pitch.

As for some saying he's not all that, how do we know one way or the other given the lack of decent chances he's getting ?
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« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2018, 11:52:21 PM »
Well he played in the first few games last season and did well, then Megson picked him in the two games he was in charge for and again Field did well yet not a sniff under Pardew or Moore which is a disgrace when we're awful in the centre of the pitch.

As for some saying he's not all that, how do we know one way or the other given the lack of decent chances he's getting ?

Don’t get me wrong I’m with the 99% of the fans who want to see him get a run in the team. He looks tidy on the ball whenever I have seen him play. Just seems odd hat he’s not getting any game time especially this season when a lot of us expected to see him starting games here and there. He’s seems lower in the pecking order than ever before with Moore seeming to like Harper more out the two of them.

Genuinely think we should have sent him out on loan till January if we don’t have any plans of using him.
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« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2018, 07:13:59 AM »
I think there’s more to the whole Field thing can we know about, maybe he just isn’t good enough? Pulis, Pardew and now Moore aren’t picking him, but a lot of fans seem to hold him as the saviour to our midfield. For why it’s worth, I would prefer to see Harper get some game time in the middle. He he abit more about him.


Right OK. This is how Sam Field was used in the league last season in central midfield. Don't forget he was a 19 year old kid.


Under Pulis

Bournemouth Home          W 1-0
Burnley Away                   W 1-0


Under Megson

Tottenham Away              D 1-1
Newcastle Home              D 2-2


Under Pardew

Palace Home                   D 0-0


Pardew then used him wide left at Swansea and Man City if I remember right but I stand corrected on that. The above shows quite clearly that Sam Field was hardly a negative on the team in the Premier League last season. Now I know that's a small sample and you can manipulate stats, of course but given the disastrous season that we had in no way can that record be looked on as a negative. It clearly shows he does not weaken the team and that's in the Premier League a year ago.

Now lets look at the attributes he has.

He is left footed which is ideal for the role he should be playing it creates perfect balance of the two in the middle of the park. He has more legs than Barry or Brunt. He is physically good. I know he's listed as 5'10" but he clearly isn't he's around 6'1". He is better defensively certainly than Brunt. He can tackle, he can head. His biggest attributes though are on the ball. He is calm and composed. He isn't wasteful he will play simple to retain possession when required but he can spot a forward pass and he can exectute it. Long balls, short passes, his range is excellent.

How is this boy NOT what we need alongside Livermore?

Football is about levels but the England set ups have no problem including him and he has showed he can hold his own in the Premier League. He is at the perfect age now to be pushed into the team from his personal point of view and he is exactly what we are crying out for.

 
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« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2018, 09:30:09 AM »
Good post . If Field, Harper, Burke, Edwards, and Leko are not actively used during the 6 games in 19 days coming up they may as well give up.
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« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2018, 09:37:35 AM »
Good post . If Field, Harper, Burke, Edwards, and Leko are not actively used during the 6 games in 19 days coming up they may as well give up.
Darren Moore is trying to play safe with the old guard, and they will let him down and cost him his job.
Let's hope he's got the nerve to go for it.

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« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2018, 10:08:55 AM »
It's obvious why Field isn't getting in the team - because he isn't one of the old boys. Moore, like others before him, selects players based on name and status in the dressing room, and is too scared to drop them (e.g. Livermore, Brunt) in favour of a younger player. Such a waste.

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« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2018, 10:46:37 AM »
CB and JM have been a dominant force in the dressing room for many years and it seems DM is pandering to that.

The Board had the chance for a clean break and bring in a new broom management and do a reboot of the club. They chose a compromise which is trying to play football the modern way but with the old guard who are just not up to it.

Darren needs to grow a pair and commit to young blood in certain key positions for the rest of the season. I think Bristol will be a stern test. They will fancy their chances of a win.

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« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2018, 02:26:44 PM »
Barry and Tosin in for Brunt and Bartley at the very least

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« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2018, 02:40:16 PM »
CB and JM have been a dominant force in the dressing room for many years and it seems DM is pandering to that.

The Board had the chance for a clean break and bring in a new broom management and do a reboot of the club. They chose a compromise which is trying to play football the modern way but with the old guard who are just not up to it.

Darren needs to grow a pair and commit to young blood in certain key positions for the rest of the season. I think Bristol will be a stern test. They will fancy their chances of a win.


This I think is true. You can just imagine the influence of the likes of Brunt, Morrison, Dawson while the likes of Field and the other youngsters are almost apologetic and submissive to the old guard (you can see that in the Artist in residence show where Field won't speak ahead of Brunt and Foster. At the end of the day Darren Moore will survive or fall on his own decisions. If he lacks the balls to makes changes that will benefit the team he will regret it down the line.

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« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2018, 03:37:35 PM »
Barry and Tosin in for Brunt and Bartley at the very least

These are the two changes I would make and I would bring Gibbs back in if he is fit enough.

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« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2018, 08:51:39 PM »
                                                  Johnstone

                  Adarabioyo                Dawson               Hegazi                 

Phillips                       Livermore             Field                Gibbs

                                               Barnes

                                         JRod    Gayle.

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« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2018, 08:55:13 PM »
                                                  Johnstone

                  Adarabioyo                Dawson               Hegazi                 

Phillips                       Livermore             Field                Gibbs

                                               Barnes

                                         JRod    Gayle.
I'd be happy with that, with Harper coming on for Livermore after around 60 minutes if appropriate.

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« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2018, 10:30:36 PM »
I'd be happy with that, with Harper coming on for Livermore after around 60 minutes if appropriate.

At 2 nil up that would make great sence.

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« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2018, 10:38:32 PM »
Barry in for Brunt, minimum change don't know what to do with Bartley replace with Tosh but center halves would have to move around or got to back four ???

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« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2018, 11:35:23 PM »
 :o Big Dave put FIELD in the middle with Hoolahan. Or at least in Yacobs position to help our very dodgy defence.

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« Reply #21 on: September 17, 2018, 09:24:41 AM »
3-4-1-2

Johnstone

Dawson
Adarabiyo
Field

Phillips
Barry
Harper
Gibbs

Barnes

Gayle
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« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2018, 09:59:07 AM »
                                                  Johnstone

                  Adarabioyo                Dawson               Hegazi                 

Phillips                       Livermore             Field                Gibbs

                                               Barnes

                                         JRod    Gayle.

I would go with that aswell, if DM doesn't want to play Field, then pop Barry in there to start.
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« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2018, 01:01:18 PM »
Almost down to a man, we are leaving Bartley out of the team. I do not disagree with this but should we not ask why he currently looks so bad? I know for a fact that he has previously looked very accomplished at this level. I feel he should be dropped but is just one of 3 very nervous looking centre halves, particularly in away games. I therefore think we are not solving the root cause of the problem by just dropping him.
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« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2018, 01:53:48 PM »
Almost down to a man, we are leaving Bartley out of the team. I do not disagree with this but should we not ask why he currently looks so bad? I know for a fact that he has previously looked very accomplished at this level. I feel he should be dropped but is just one of 3 very nervous looking centre halves, particularly in away games. I therefore think we are not solving the root cause of the problem by just dropping him.
Just my opinion ……….

I  think its another one of those 'players suit certain systems'. Ill use GMac as an example, put him in a team that just needs to defend and be compact and you are guaranteed a 8/10 performance, put him in a team that presses 20yards higher up the pitch and it might cause him more problems.

Bartley in a defensive compact system I imagine would look solid. At times in the blues game Jota was literally gliding past him. I still don't think Bartley and Hegazi look comfortable together. Cant really give too much praise to Dawson either lets be honest.
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